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Ana Walshe Murder Trial Impacted by Karen Read Mistrial? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Bombshell in the Brian wals murder case, charged with the
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  Speaker 2: brutal murderer of his wife, Anna, the mother of their
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  Speaker 2: little boys, and the likely dismemberment of her.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, the bombshell. It's so upsetting.
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  Speaker 2: You recall the Karen Reid case, right, the girlfriend accused
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  Speaker 2: of running over her boyfriend in the snow and killing him.
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  Speaker 2: How could we forget it? That case ended in mistrial
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  Speaker 2: hung jury. What does the Karen read prosecution have to
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  Speaker 2: do with Brian Walt reportedly murdering his wife. I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: This is crime Stories for being with us. In the
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  Speaker 2: last days, there have been hours and hours of motions
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  Speaker 2: in court regarding the Brian Walsh murder case. Some of
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  Speaker 2: those motions dealt with DNA results. There's been a delay
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  Speaker 2: in the DNA results because the DNA samples went through
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  Speaker 2: a private lab and there's a hold up over who's
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  Speaker 2: going to pay for that testing. But now all focus
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  Speaker 2: is on Massachusetts State Police Trooper Michael Proctor, who led
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  Speaker 2: the investigation into the Anna Walsh murder case. Why why
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  Speaker 2: is all the focus on him? Proctor is set to
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  Speaker 2: face a trial board next week due to allegations of
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  Speaker 2: misconduct and the Karen Reid murder case. Proctor was the
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  Speaker 2: leading investigator in both cases.
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  Speaker 1: His testimony at.
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  Speaker 2: Karen Reid's for his trial, as I said, ended in
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  Speaker 2: a hung jury, raised questions among some people regarding police integrity.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, is the Karen Reid case.
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  Speaker 2: Going to destroy the Anna Walsh murder investigation?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? Okay?
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  Speaker 2: Refresher what exactly happened in the Anna Walsh murder case?
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  Speaker 2: Friends and family or stunned when Anna disappears after a
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  Speaker 2: New Year's Eve party?
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  Speaker 1: Listen new tonight.
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  Speaker 3: Police were asking the public to help them find a
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  Speaker 3: cohaset Massachusetts mother of three who vanished without a trace
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  Speaker 3: on New Year's Day. Thirty nine year old Anna Walsh
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  Speaker 3: left her home early Sunday morning. She was supposed to
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  Speaker 3: take a flight from Logan to DC, where she works
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  Speaker 3: during the week, but there's no record of her ever
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  Speaker 3: boarding a flight. Police say there's been reports that she
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  Speaker 3: took a ride show, but investigators haven't been able.
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  Speaker 1: To confirm that.
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  Speaker 4: Three days after she was seen leaving her home with
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  Speaker 4: bags in hand, Walsh was reported missing.
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  Speaker 5: We cannot confirm that she actually got into a ride
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  Speaker 5: share in Cohacit. We confurther, we have confirmed with the
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  Speaker 5: A lines and that's been a challenge that she did
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  Speaker 5: not board a plane this week.
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  Speaker 4: Police say her phone has been off and there has
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  Speaker 4: been no activity on her credit or debit cards. Just
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  Speaker 4: a loving wife and mother, Dave.
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  Speaker 6: She always says, three beautiful boys, three beautiful boys, So
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  Speaker 6: she loves so.
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  Speaker 1: Much too, little boys wondering where is mommy?
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  Speaker 2: You were hearing our friends at wp R I and WUSA.
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  Speaker 1: So where's Anna now?
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  Speaker 2: I had to take that exact flight very often, and
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  Speaker 2: between New York and Boston and DC, it's almost a
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  Speaker 2: triangle of hourly flights with me an all star panel
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  Speaker 2: to make sense of what we know right now, But
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  Speaker 2: first I'm going to go to Bob Ward, reporter for
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  Speaker 2: Boston twenty five News. You can find him at Twitter
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  Speaker 2: at b Ward three. Bob, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: Could you just verbalize that a little bit better than
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  Speaker 2: I did? I mean, I know, out of in New York,
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  Speaker 2: I would very often have to race from Court TV
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  Speaker 2: to get to the Marine Air terminal at LaGuardia, a
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  Speaker 2: different terminal than the main LaGuardia terminal because they had
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  Speaker 2: hourly flights not only to Atlanta but to d C
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  Speaker 2: where I would go to shoot Larry King. And believe
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  Speaker 2: it or not, they were so regular, almost like a bus.
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  Speaker 2: For Pete's sake. I could be there within two hours
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  Speaker 2: of leaving the studios in Manhattan. It was amazing. But
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  Speaker 2: there's so many flights out of Logan to New York
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  Speaker 2: and DC. That's a lot of investigation to find out
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  Speaker 2: if she really did get on a plane.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 8: But you know, Nanthy, right from the very beginning, this
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  Speaker 8: sounded odd because you're talking. This was New year Year's Day.
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  Speaker 8: This was first thing in the morning on New Year's Day.
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  Speaker 8: She had a party at her house that went until
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  Speaker 8: about one o'clock in the morning New Year's Eve into
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  Speaker 8: New Year's Day. A mother of three who claimed there
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  Speaker 8: was an emergency at her realty firm in Washington, d C.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we wait, let me, let me let's start right there.
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  Speaker 2: Bob Ward is joining me from Boston twenty five mews.
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  Speaker 2: I'm drinking out of the fireheiser from you, Bob Ward.
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  Speaker 2: You're giving me so much information so quickly. So with
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  Speaker 2: the three children, she was actually working in DC, living
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  Speaker 2: in the Boston area, and what was her job in DC?
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  Speaker 1: Was it a new job?
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  Speaker 2: It was.
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  Speaker 8: It was a fairly new job, you know. But she
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  Speaker 8: had a job with an apartment down in d C.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, what was her job in DC?
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  Speaker 8: She was not a realtor, but she was some kind
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  Speaker 8: of property manager.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. That's what it was. Property manager. And hold on,
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  Speaker 2: just a moment we all know. About getting a new job,
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  Speaker 2: you feel like you've got to do whatever they want
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  Speaker 2: to make that great impression so they don't say, Wow,
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  Speaker 2: we've got her on six months probation. We're going to
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  Speaker 2: can her. She's not doing a very good job. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: David Stuttard is with me right now, Guys. Now I
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  Speaker 2: think of David Stutter as a motorman, as an APD
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  Speaker 2: Atlanta Police Department officer, but now he is a very
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  Speaker 2: well known lawyer. David Stutter. Do you remember your first
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  Speaker 2: day on the job as a cop?
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  Speaker 8: Absolutely?
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  Speaker 9: I do.
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  Speaker 10: And it was a long long time ago, nineteen to
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  Speaker 10: eighty eight. And I do remember my first day, and
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  Speaker 10: I was super excited, super enthusiastic and just wanting to
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  Speaker 10: get out and stay in the world and.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't want to screw anything up and land at some
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  Speaker 2: desk assignment.
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  Speaker 10: That's right. We were on a very strict six month
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  Speaker 10: probationary period when we first started there, and any infraction
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  Speaker 10: would cause you some difficulty right quick. So to your point, absolutely,
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  Speaker 10: I was willing to do whatever I needed to do
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  Speaker 10: to get that probationary career.
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  Speaker 1: And then you put yourself through law skill.
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  Speaker 2: Can you remember your first day working as a lawyer, like, man,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gon unscrew this up.
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  Speaker 1: This is nothing like being a cop.
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  Speaker 10: That's absolutely right, the same sort of feeling.
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  Speaker 11: I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Karen Stark, you remember you would be with me on
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  Speaker 2: the set at Court TV. Karen Stark is with me,
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  Speaker 2: a renowned psychologists joining us out of the Manhattan jurisdiction.
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  Speaker 2: She's at Karenstark dot com, Karen with the Sea. Karen,
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  Speaker 2: You'd be with me on the set at Court TV,
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  Speaker 2: and my stomach would be churning to figure out if
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  Speaker 2: I can make that flight to get to Larry King's
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  Speaker 2: studios in Washington to get on the air, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and I would make it. I don't think I ever
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  Speaker 2: did not make it. But when you've got a new gig,
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  Speaker 2: you'll do anything. And if they told me, hey, you
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  Speaker 2: got to fly to d C to be on tonight.
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  Speaker 2: I go, sure, I can't wait.
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  Speaker 1: Just like this.
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  Speaker 2: Woman, They go, hey, you got to fly down to
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  Speaker 2: d C. We got an emergency. I don't care if
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  Speaker 2: it's New Year's Day. And she would hop that plane
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  Speaker 2: would do you agree with that?
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  Speaker 9: I would agree with it, Nancy, And I remember those
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  Speaker 9: days like it was yesterday, and you were always doing
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  Speaker 9: above and beyond what you needed to do. I used
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  Speaker 9: to watch Jo and Larry King because I couldn't believe
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  Speaker 9: that you would make it, and you always made it.
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  Speaker 10: But what pressure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there were a.
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  Speaker 2: Lot of white knuckles and a cab trying to get
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  Speaker 2: to LaGuardia Marine. So we're hearing from Bob Ward that
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  Speaker 2: something wasn't right. But yet it was a new job,
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  Speaker 2: so people talked it off. Well, you know, she's proving herself.
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  Speaker 2: But then things even went more sideways. Take a listen
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  Speaker 2: to our friends at Boston twenty five.
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  Speaker 12: A Cohasset police log is shedding new light on how
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  Speaker 12: the investigation first got started. It says a call requesting
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  Speaker 12: a well being check was made on January fourth by
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  Speaker 12: a man who identified himself as the head of security
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  Speaker 12: at Honor Walsh's employer, in DC Tishman Spyer. The log
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  Speaker 12: says Tishman Spyer contacted husband Brian Walsh before he reported
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  Speaker 12: his wife missing. It explains that he told police on
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  Speaker 12: a left for DC and he hadn't heard from her since.
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  Speaker 12: According to the log on his phone, last pig on
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  Speaker 12: January second at three fourteen am in Cohasset and hit
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  Speaker 12: the tower on Reservoir Road in Cohacid, less than a
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  Speaker 12: mile from the family's home.
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  Speaker 1: Okay with me.
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  Speaker 2: Very well known PI private investigator Tom Ruskin is with us.
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  Speaker 2: Ruskin is president of CMP Protective and Investigative Group, Inc.
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  Speaker 2: Former NYPD investigator, and you can find him at cmpdashgroup
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  Speaker 2: dot com. Tom Ruskin, I don't like it when it's
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  Speaker 2: your job calling to report you missing, not your family.
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  Speaker 6: Correct. I mean it distinks to the high heavens. It
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  Speaker 6: really does. Not to mention that it is a lot
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  Speaker 6: easier now than when I joined the force before my
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  Speaker 6: colleague in nineteen eighty two, to check flight records, to
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  Speaker 6: check TSA records, to check different airlines. There's only a
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  Speaker 6: certain number of airlines that would fly between her home
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  Speaker 6: and Washington, DC, and it's very easy for the TSA
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  Speaker 6: and Holy insecurity to go into those records now and
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  Speaker 6: search for her name, her data, birth and see if
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  Speaker 6: she A had a plane reservation, B did she clear
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  Speaker 6: security with all the cameras that are in airports, and
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  Speaker 6: C did she actually get on the flight?
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  Speaker 2: Can I tell you something, Tom Ruskin, That's an excellent point.
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  Speaker 2: I hadn't even thought of, because I remember going and
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  Speaker 2: your life at this stutter, going to the greyhound bus
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  Speaker 2: station in inner city Atlanta, trying to find out if
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  Speaker 2: a particular woman who always into this day is still
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  Speaker 2: a Jane Day by the way, who was murdered, if
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  Speaker 2: she had gotten off of a Greyhound bus before she
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  Speaker 2: was murdered by whom I believe to be a serial killer.
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  Speaker 2: Don't worry. I got them on one one. He's still
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  Speaker 2: in jail right now. Prison prison, not jail.
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  Speaker 1: But it was so hard to.
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  Speaker 6: Do, Tom Nancy. You'll also remember when you ran from
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  Speaker 6: Court TV to the Marine Air terminal at Laguadi Airport.
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  Speaker 6: You used to be able to run through no matainetometers.
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  Speaker 6: You'd run on a Delta flight or People's Express flight
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  Speaker 6: or Eastern back then, and you just jump on the
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  Speaker 6: flight with a random ticket that you could say any hour. Nowadays,
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  Speaker 6: you can't do that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, tsa man.
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  Speaker 2: They got to justify their existence and so they will
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  Speaker 2: do a full long body cavity search if they feel
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  Speaker 2: like it. It doesn't matter who you are. You know who
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  Speaker 2: you get searched the most. My mother with a wheelchair
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  Speaker 2: when we push her around the airport, even though she
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  Speaker 2: can walk.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, they love to hone in on my mom.
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  Speaker 2: Elizabeth that said, you're right, Tom Ruskin, there's only a
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  Speaker 2: couple of.
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  Speaker 1: Air carriers that go between Boston and DC.
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  Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Anna Walts was reported missing
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  Speaker 2: in January. A few weeks later, husband Brian Walsh was
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  Speaker 2: arrested on charges including murder, misleading the investigators, and moving
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  Speaker 2: a human body. His computer searches were damning, like how
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  Speaker 2: long does it take a body to start smelling?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He is now being held behind bars pending trial. The
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  Speaker 2: Anna Waltsch murderer is one of the most high profile
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  Speaker 2: murder cases in recent years. Anna Waltz first reported missing
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  Speaker 2: just after New Year's Day, and the search became more
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  Speaker 2: and more desperate. What exactly do we know about Anna's disappearance?
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  Speaker 2: The employer is reporting on a missing not her family,
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  Speaker 2: but listen to this WBZ.
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  Speaker 4: WBZ is obtained and verified audio of a voicemail left
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  Speaker 4: by mister Walsh for one of Anna's friends. It's the
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  Speaker 4: same day Anna was reported missing to police.
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  Speaker 13: Said Brian Walsh, and hopeful is going well.
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  Speaker 10: I just appreciated to basically everybody I could.
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  Speaker 13: Anna hasn't been in touch for a few days. You know,
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  Speaker 13: anyone that might have that contact with her. Just you
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  Speaker 13: calling everyone.
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  Speaker 4: So I've heard to bother you here everything fine.
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  Speaker 2: So we do see the husband reaching out to her
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  Speaker 2: friends and leaving voicemails for all of them, trying to
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  Speaker 2: find out if they had heard from Anna.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me right now.
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  Speaker 2: Julie lewis President and CEO of Digital Mountain, Inc. At
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  Speaker 2: Digitalmountain dot com. Julie, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: Tom Ruskin. The PI points out how much easier it
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  Speaker 2: is to check flight records through TSA and even getting
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  Speaker 2: subpoenas very quickly or asking the carrier like Delta to
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  Speaker 2: check their records to find out if somebody made a flight.
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  Speaker 1: So according to police, she didn't make that flight.
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  Speaker 2: But what Julie lewis about ride share, lift Uber and
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  Speaker 2: all the others Digitally wouldn't that leave a trail if
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  Speaker 2: she had taken a right chair to the airport.
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  Speaker 7: You can certainly contact the custodian of records at the
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  Speaker 7: ubers the lists and types of companies that she would
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  Speaker 7: have taken a ride share and find out that information
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  Speaker 7: with legal due process and.
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  Speaker 14: See what you know, what the actual fact pattern is there?
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  Speaker 1: Well, what about her phone?
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  Speaker 2: I mean most people get their right chair through their
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  Speaker 2: phone app.
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  Speaker 7: If you have access to her yes, if you have
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  Speaker 7: access to her phone, you knew the whereabouts of that phone,
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  Speaker 7: you would have access to the app, but most that.
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  Speaker 14: Data would be stored in the cloud and pointing up
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  Speaker 14: to the Uber application.
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  Speaker 7: Not it might not be stored on the local phone.
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  Speaker 7: So that's something to consider.
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  Speaker 2: Got a question for you, Julie Lewis, if we don't
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  Speaker 2: have her phone, but we do have her code, say
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  Speaker 2: it's like everybody else in America their birthday or their
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  Speaker 2: children's birthday, and we have the code for her phone,
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  Speaker 2: can we get into the iCloud that way?
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  Speaker 7: Typically you would need the user name, you would need
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  Speaker 7: a password for the accounts, and you would also if
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  Speaker 7: they have multifacturer authentication turned on the code from the text.
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  Speaker 1: Message so a little harder than I thought. But you
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  Speaker 1: know what we're talking about her.
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  Speaker 2: Phone and where she Where is the husband during all
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  Speaker 2: of this? Take to listen to our cut thirty five
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  Speaker 2: Lynn Bi Lund talking, I.
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  Speaker 11: Need to indicating our Jauary verse, not the threep. He
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  Speaker 11: did some mearns and which was not his house in swamps,
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  Speaker 11: but lost because he didn't have a swamp. He said
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  Speaker 11: he knew he was lost when he saw a pirate
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  Speaker 11: ship one root one defender state, stayed fifteen minutes, then
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  Speaker 11: went to.
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  Speaker 1: Whole Foods and CBS.
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  Speaker 11: Savanas's checked and he did not enter either at those stores.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Bob Ward, Boston, twenty five on this the disappearance
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  Speaker 2: of Anen Walsh since the beginning saw a pirate ship
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  Speaker 2: en route one what okay, no, wait a minute, wait
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  Speaker 2: wait wait wait, So he says the husband says he's
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  Speaker 2: going to visit his mother and he gets lost on
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  Speaker 2: the way to his mom's home, and when he sees
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  Speaker 2: a pirate ship, he knows he's lost, but then goes
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  Speaker 2: into Whole Foods of CBS even though he's lost.
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  Speaker 13: What the pirate.
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  Speaker 8: Ship is a landmark on the rout one area there's
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  Speaker 8: that area of Swampskip where his mother lives. There are
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  Speaker 8: some old landmarks, miniature golf places, restaurants, that sort of thing,
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  Speaker 8: And I think that's what it was that he's talking about,
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  Speaker 8: was a landmark that he saw that told him where
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  Speaker 8: he was. And he said he got lost because he
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  Speaker 8: didn't have a GPS on his phone with him, because
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  Speaker 8: he's left it at home.
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  Speaker 1: Karen Starry, I find that very unusual.
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  Speaker 2: I've told that my twins is like the wizards and
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  Speaker 2: their wands and Harry Potter, you don't go anywhere without it. Well,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't make sense to me he didn't have a cell phone,
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  Speaker 2: especially if he hasn't her from his wife. Wouldn't you
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  Speaker 2: keep your cell phone with you at that time in
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  Speaker 2: case she called?
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  Speaker 9: Well, let's think about this, Nancy. How many people really
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  Speaker 9: leave home these days without their phone.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's improbable.
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  Speaker 9: I have trouble believing that he accidentally left at home
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  Speaker 9: and he knows that he's being watched. It seems to
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  Speaker 9: me so he intentionally left that phone home. I have
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  Speaker 9: no doubt about it. He's the nefarious character. He knows
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  Speaker 9: exactly what he's doing.
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  Speaker 2: In the search for Anna Walch local authorities find something
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  Speaker 2: very unusual.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut forty.
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  Speaker 11: Data from the phone also tracked his whereaboats on January third.
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  Speaker 11: Locations were traveled at four twenty seven on January third
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  Speaker 11: to an important complex in Abagen. So Veillance shows the
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  Speaker 11: defendant's Bobbo as well as male fitting the dependent's appearance Exeter.
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  Speaker 1: Cob near the dumpster.
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  Speaker 11: He walks to the dumpster carrying garbage bag he's leaning
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  Speaker 11: and it appears to be heavy as he has to
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  Speaker 11: it keft it into the dumpster.
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  Speaker 1: He walks to the dumpster.
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  Speaker 11: With garbage bag and leaves it on full. Forty eight
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  Speaker 11: he hit another complex in Avergeon and at five to
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  Speaker 11: ten pm, cell phone shows records at another apartment that
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  Speaker 11: brought Tom. Video shows a party consistent with his appearance
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  Speaker 11: in his global again you Decided ims in the dumpster.
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  Speaker 2: Bob Ward joining us from Boston twenty five on his
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  Speaker 2: disappearance from the very beginning, I don't have a problem
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  Speaker 2: with my husband throwing trash out there in the dumpster
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: outside our house, but when he starts going from one
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: dumpster to the next dumpster, to the next dumpster to
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: the next dumpster, all in within a one hour period.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: That concerns me. And you know who reminds me of
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: and you're gonna know this name very well. Jennifer Dulo's
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: the missing Connecticut mom of five. Remember her husband, Fotus
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Dillos and his mistress. They're going all around town dropping
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: off items and they're caught on surveillance video. Why is it,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Bob Ward, maybe you can shed some light on this.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Why is it that when a woman goes missing, her
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: husband suddenly turns into a knee nick and he has
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: to throw out the trash.
• 19:57
  Speaker 8: Good question, Nancy, I think we know the answer to.
• 20:00
  Speaker 8: And that's the allegation here. Sadly, that January third incident
• 20:05
  Speaker 8: that you just played the cut from the dumpsters in
• 20:08
  Speaker 8: the South Shore and Abington and Brockton. What we're going
• 20:11
  Speaker 8: to find out in court that is, when the remains
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: of on A. Walsh are being discarded in those dumpsters,
• 20:18
  Speaker 8: those dumpsters eventually are brought to an incinerator in the
• 20:22
  Speaker 8: South Shore of Massachusetts, and within an hour of those
• 20:26
  Speaker 8: dumpsters being brought to that incinerator, they're destroyed. Onna Walsh's
• 20:31
  Speaker 8: remains have never been located, and the thought is that
• 20:34
  Speaker 8: they never will be because that's where those bags were brought.
• 20:38
  Speaker 8: The other trash bags that were recovered in this case
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: were brought to the north shore near that pirate ship
• 20:44
  Speaker 8: that we just talked about, and they were not brought
• 20:47
  Speaker 8: to an incinerator, but to a landfill they were found.
• 20:51
  Speaker 8: And it's inside I don't know from getting ahead of us,
• 20:53
  Speaker 8: but inside those trash bags is where the evidence, the
• 20:57
  Speaker 8: incriminating evidence has been located in this case.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Board, could you tell me everything you just said one
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: more time in very slowly. I think the gist is
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: that very quickly after husband Brian Walch visited these various dumpsters,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: the dumpsters were cleaned out were the trash was picked
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: up and taken some to an incinerator and some to
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: the pirate ship. Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: wait a minute, Wait a minute, Karen Stark, have you
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: ever noticed how defendants weave in a tiny bit of
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: truth into their big fat lie the pirate ship?
• 21:40
  Speaker 9: I mean, that's what makes pathological liars so interesting, Nancy,
• 21:43
  Speaker 9: is because it's usually based on a hint of truth.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Right, like no smoke without fire.
• 21:49
  Speaker 9: There's a little bit of smoke, but the rest of
• 21:52
  Speaker 9: it they conjure up, and they're very adept at being
• 21:56
  Speaker 9: able to tell a lie that has a little bit
• 21:59
  Speaker 9: of true innet that a lot of fauted.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: I like the rebetist conjure, I like a magician or
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: a wizard, because one moment on a Walsh is there
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: with witnesses at a New Year's Eve party, and the
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: next moment she's gone, Okay, Bob Ward joining me. Investigative
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Report of Boston twenty five, tell me again what you
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: just said.
• 22:22
  Speaker 8: So on January third, Brian Walsh, according to the prosecutors,
• 22:27
  Speaker 8: is recorded on surveillance trying to dump trash bags into
• 22:32
  Speaker 8: dumpsters in the south Shore of Boston in the towns
• 22:36
  Speaker 8: of Abington and Brockton. The prosecution believes that those trash
• 22:42
  Speaker 8: bags that he was struggling with to get into the
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: dumpsters contained the dismembered remains of his wife, on A Walsh.
• 22:50
  Speaker 8: Shortly after he did that, those dumpsters were brought to
• 22:54
  Speaker 8: an incinerator in the south Shore. Within an hour of
• 22:59
  Speaker 8: those trash arriving at that incinerator, they were incinerated and
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: converted into electricity, and Anna Walsh's remains have never been found.
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: It's an absolutely horrific and gruesome part of this case.
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: The other half of it is that Brian Walsh did not,
• 23:19
  Speaker 8: allegedly did not discard of all the evidence in the
• 23:23
  Speaker 8: case on the south Shore. The allegation is that he
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: took his tools, the instruments that he used to dismember
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: his wife's body, along with some of her clothes and belongings,
• 23:34
  Speaker 8: and put them in other trash bags and discarded those
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: things in dumpsters on the north shore of Boston near
• 23:41
  Speaker 8: his mother's house, near that pirate ship. Those trash bags
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: have been recovered and those items are going to be
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: an important part of this case, in this trial when
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: it takes place.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: And what do you believe Bob Ward were in those
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: trash bags in January?
• 23:58
  Speaker 8: What we've been told was that they found a hatchet,
• 24:01
  Speaker 8: a hack saw, they found a bloody rug, they found
• 24:05
  Speaker 8: Anna's product purse, they found the boots that she was
• 24:08
  Speaker 8: seen wearing at that New Year's Eve party, and Nancy,
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: they found her COVID nineteen card. It's absolutely stunning what
• 24:17
  Speaker 8: they found.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Joining me former APD Atlanta Police Department officer and.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Now lawyer, what rank did you get to startard?
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: I left?
• 24:29
  Speaker 10: There's an investigator. Nante's a homicide detective when I left.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, David, have you ever had a case without a body,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: a homicide.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Without a body?
• 24:37
  Speaker 10: Yes?
• 24:38
  Speaker 8: I had.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Can I just say that's a tough pill to swallow.
• 24:43
  Speaker 11: It is.
• 24:44
  Speaker 10: But fortunately even in those cases, and this guy look,
• 24:48
  Speaker 10: you know, as a homicide detective, I would have been
• 24:50
  Speaker 10: looking at this guy immediately simply based on the fact
• 24:53
  Speaker 10: that his wife gets on an airplane. She's apparently overdue,
• 24:57
  Speaker 10: he hasn't heard from her in three days. Only after
• 25:01
  Speaker 10: he is contacted by her employer does he make an
• 25:03
  Speaker 10: outcry about his wife. That'll. I mean, my wife gets
• 25:06
  Speaker 10: on an airplane, she travels frequently. If I haven't heard
• 25:09
  Speaker 10: from her a few minutes after she's supposed to touch down,
• 25:12
  Speaker 10: I get Frank. I mean, I'm calling every you know,
• 25:14
  Speaker 10: trying to call her and call her. This guy has
• 25:17
  Speaker 10: done nothing, but he's like a magnet for suspicion. I mean,
• 25:21
  Speaker 10: he's going out, he's talking about this pirate ship, you know,
• 25:23
  Speaker 10: and not to mention all of this physical evidence that's located,
• 25:26
  Speaker 10: which to my point is, you know, even the most
• 25:30
  Speaker 10: careful criminals, when they commit these kinds of crimes, it's
• 25:34
  Speaker 10: almost impossible to do it without leaving some sort of
• 25:39
  Speaker 10: forensic physical evidence behind. And this guy has left a
• 25:42
  Speaker 10: mountain of it.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, and could you here's another thing, Julie Lewis,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: I want to circle back to you just a moment
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: about possible NAV systems on his car. But Tom Rusk
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: in joining me and then don't want Karen start to
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: weigh in on.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: This as well.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Tom Ruski guys private investigator or extraordinay, President of CMP
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Protective and Investigative Group. Tom listen, I don't like jewelry.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: I really don't like fancy clothes. I don't like fancy cars.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: But if you were to take let's just say, this
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: little ring right here, this is made of my mother
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: in law's jewelry. Okay, it's very thin, it's not be jeweled,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: But if you were to take that, I would come
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: after you, all right.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: There are just some things that would matter to me.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: And I've got a funny feeling this woman would not
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: want her fancy boots and her product hers thrown out.
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: No, and it would be weird if she had left
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: and left for a business trip, if she didn't take
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: those with her, that they wouldn't be behind in the
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: house and be discoverable. This guy is definitely lead, the
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: prime suspect and probably will be convicted at trial. The
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: fact of the matter is, to the other gentleman's point,
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: you don't need a body anymore to prove a case.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: It sure helps, though, man, come on, Ruskin, I mean, yeah,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: you don't need a body. I'm not going to give
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: him a gold star for getting rid of the body.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: And again, he hasn't been proven guilty. We're just hypothesizing
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: on the evidence that we have. But its sure, as
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: hegg helps if you do have a dead body to
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: prove a murder case.
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: But it also goes against him because we know that
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: he was in these yards, he was dumping stuff. What
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: is he doing dumping her garbage? What's the matter? His
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: pickup's not working at his house?
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Karen starts, He's so right. And Karen, again, I threw
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: this to Stuttard earlier. I think, but why do you
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: guys turn into nat nix as soon as their wives disappear?
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: And again, like Stutdard said, and like Ruskin is saying
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: about the trash, it defies the course of normal human conduct.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: He doesn't check on his wife to see if she
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: landed her employer has to call looking for her.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: And then he wants to take out the trash.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Fine, do it at the corner at the end of
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: the driveway or the trash ute in your apartment in Manhattan.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: But why do you go to five or six different dumpsters?
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: And because somebody just surprised me wants and not throw
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: bloody rags and towels in a dumpster.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Do something different?
• 28:23
  Speaker 9: What always happens?
• 28:24
  Speaker 13: Nancy.
• 28:24
  Speaker 9: He believes he's not going to get caught, and this
• 28:27
  Speaker 9: looks suspicious, so suspicious. I mean he gets lost going
• 28:32
  Speaker 9: to his mother.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: He didn't get lost.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: He's trying to explain his circuitous route from one dump
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: to the.
• 28:39
  Speaker 9: Next, and also saying that he went to places where
• 28:42
  Speaker 9: they could check and he did not go.
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: So, Nancy, can I jump in for one second? Yes,
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: I just want to bring Wilso bring up the fact
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: this is a woman. Let's assume that the husband has
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: nothing to do with her murder. This is a woman
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: who's going to take a flight, supposedly from Boston to
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: Washington on a business trip. Why is her phone off?
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: No one that travels myself, my loved ones, my family. Well,
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: we go to the airport, you show off your phone
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: once you're on the flight, and you turn it on
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: to mister Startard's point once you land, why is she
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: becoming all of a sudden surreptitious or becoming covert in
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: her actions? You're right, which sort of deflies the logic
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: of the husband.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Tom Ruskin, private investigator. You're absolutely right.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't guess any of you people on
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: this panel have read Don't Be a Victim written by
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Oh what's that girl's name?
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Oh Nancy Grace.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: You're supposed to like take a picture of when you're
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: in the parking deck, which I do and send in
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: my family, and then when I get on the plane,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I take a picture i'm on the plane and send
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: to them. You don't even have to write a text
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: or write words, but just let people know where you're going. Jackie,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: I think I've even sent them to you before. Yes, okay, guys,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: that's not the end of it. But I want to
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: ask Julie Louis Something, President and CEO of Digital Mountain Inch. Julie,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: what about I like to just say on Star as
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: a blanket nav description, wouldn't.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: His car show everywhere he had been? If it were you?
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Know anything older than twenty ten.
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: So before I jump into that, I just you were
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: talking about pictures and there was.
• 30:27
  Speaker 14: Supposedly a picture she photographed of herself with her wedding
• 30:30
  Speaker 14: ring off in some of her final photos, and so
• 30:35
  Speaker 14: within that picture there's things called excess data that you
• 30:38
  Speaker 14: can look for that potentially could have geolocation information about
• 30:42
  Speaker 14: where she was when the picture was taken.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: See that is why you're the expert. I didn't even
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: catch that, Julie Lewis so.
• 30:49
  Speaker 14: Switching gears to the car. You know, the car is
• 30:53
  Speaker 14: a moving computer these days. On most cars with why
• 30:57
  Speaker 14: buy has GPS, it has a cell network, all these
• 31:02
  Speaker 14: things that you can use for tracking. So if Brian's
• 31:06
  Speaker 14: car has has that in it, law enforcement could have
• 31:10
  Speaker 14: certainly used that information. The other thing that happens in
• 31:14
  Speaker 14: cars is a lot of people think their phones and
• 31:17
  Speaker 14: so text messages, contacts, you know, browser.
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: History, all these things may be on that on the car.
• 31:26
  Speaker 14: Now.
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: You know, for example, if you rent a car, even
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: that information can be on that. So that's something that's
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: really important to note.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: You mean, when you charge your phone in a car,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: the car can track everything that you have written on
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: your phone during.
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: That time, it could be thinking like when you when
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: you are in an Uber your playlist.
• 31:47
  Speaker 14: Depending on the configuration, it could actually download that. So
• 31:50
  Speaker 14: you don't want to go in some stranger's car rental
• 31:52
  Speaker 14: car and plug it in because the car and votainment
• 31:57
  Speaker 14: system could be grabbing and capturing some information from your phone.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, I can't believe what's happening.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: What does the Karen read prosecution have to do with
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: the Anna Walsh murder? The facts in Anna's disappearance and
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: murder and likely dismemberment are overwhelming. Will her husband walk
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: free because the lead investigator in the Ann A Walsh case.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Also worked the Karen Reid case? Oh no.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: When I say the evidence is strong in the Anna
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Walsh disappearance and murder case, I really mean it.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: What do we know about Google searches?
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: I mean what an idiot? I just can't stress this enough.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Take a listen to our cut thirty six. This is
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Land Blan talking.
• 33:05
  Speaker 11: On January first, offenitive Google using a son's iPad.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Some of his searches are as follows.
• 33:14
  Speaker 15: Keep in mind that.
• 33:15
  Speaker 11: The pendant said he left at sixty six am at
• 33:19
  Speaker 11: four fifty five am on January first, he searched how
• 33:22
  Speaker 11: long before a body starts to smell?
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: How long before a body starts to smell? Okay, keep going?
• 33:31
  Speaker 9: Eight am?
• 33:32
  Speaker 11: How to stop a body from decomposing? At five twenty
• 33:36
  Speaker 11: am he searched how to bound the body? At five
• 33:40
  Speaker 11: forty seven am. Ten ways to dispose of a dead
• 33:45
  Speaker 11: body if you really need to. At six twenty five
• 33:49
  Speaker 11: am on the first, how long for someone to be
• 33:51
  Speaker 11: missing to inherit?
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: At six thirty four am on the first, can you
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: go away?
• 33:56
  Speaker 12: Body?
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Pots? Okay?
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: I think need Doctor Kendall Crowns, Chief Medical Examiner, Terrance
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: County Lecturer, University, Texas Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you for being with us. Let
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: me just ask you a couple leads, and I'd like
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: to point out also this is food for thought for you.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Karen Stark, psychologist on his son's iPad, Like they don't
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: know how to read the search history, and there's daddy searching.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: How long before a body starts to smell? How do
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: you stop a body from decomposing? How to get rid
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: of a body? Ten ways to dispose.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Of a dead body if you really need to. I'm
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: glad he had to check that on at the end.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: How long before how long for someone to be missing
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: to inherit? That's not for you, Crowns. Can you throw
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: away body parts?
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: I'm starting to agree with Tom Ruskin and David Stutter
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: that you don't need the dead body to prove that
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: someone is dead. Doctor Kendall Crowns, can you give me
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: some quick answers to those this is a lightning round
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: for you.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: How long before a body starts to smell?
• 35:10
  Speaker 13: Doctor Crown's for to ten days?
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: That just rolled off the tip of your tongue.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to ask why how do you stop
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: a body from decomposing?
• 35:18
  Speaker 13: Refrigeration? I mean, you look at it. That guy they
• 35:22
  Speaker 13: found in the iceberg ot see the iceman. He was
• 35:27
  Speaker 13: missing for a thousand years and he's stuck in the icebergs. Really,
• 35:30
  Speaker 13: refrigeration is the best way to prevent a body from decomposing.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Ten ways to dispose of a dead body if you
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: really need to.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: That's not a medical question. Let me go to the
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: next medical question. Can you throw away body parts?
• 35:43
  Speaker 13: You have to, you know, if you don't want the
• 35:46
  Speaker 13: trash man to notice some putam and dumpsters like which
• 35:49
  Speaker 13: was possibly done in this case, and then dismember the
• 35:54
  Speaker 13: individual into small enough parts that they aren't recognizable as
• 35:58
  Speaker 13: human and then mix them in with other trash. And
• 36:03
  Speaker 13: another good way is to put them in. I think
• 36:06
  Speaker 13: it's like these pool chemicals that can melt the body
• 36:09
  Speaker 13: parts down into kind of a sluge.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: You know, Doctor Kendall Crowns, you're actually mane scaring.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Many people that are listening to you right now putting
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: it in pool. Waite a minute, Karen start. I know
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: you've got something toad. Hold on. What did you say
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: about pool cleaner, Doctor Kendall Crowns.
• 36:25
  Speaker 13: There's a certain chemical they use. I believe it's in
• 36:28
  Speaker 13: pool cleaning or something else. I can't think of it
• 36:30
  Speaker 13: off the top of my head. But it'll actually dissolve
• 36:33
  Speaker 13: the dismembered body parts down relatively, it'll dissolve the bone
• 36:39
  Speaker 13: as well, and it'll just kind of make this kind
• 36:41
  Speaker 13: of ooze. Then you have to dispose of that.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you're on the right side of the law,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: doctor Kendall Crowns.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: I really am.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: But guess what, guys, there's more Take a listen again
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: to lend biland at nine twenty nine AM.
• 36:54
  Speaker 10: What does from aldehyde do?
• 36:57
  Speaker 11: At nine thirty four one?
• 36:59
  Speaker 14: First?
• 37:00
  Speaker 11: How long does then a list?
• 37:02
  Speaker 9: At nine fifty nine am.
• 37:04
  Speaker 11: Can identification be made when passion remains? At eleven thirty
• 37:08
  Speaker 11: four AM? Dismendment and the best ways to dispose of
• 37:12
  Speaker 11: the body at eleven forty four?
• 37:15
  Speaker 14: How to pen blood from wood and flu at.
• 37:18
  Speaker 11: Eleven fifty six on the first M and all to
• 37:21
  Speaker 11: detect blood at one oh eight?
• 37:23
  Speaker 13: What happens when.
• 37:24
  Speaker 11: You put body pots in a moment at one twenty
• 37:27
  Speaker 11: one PM is better than throw crime scene close away
• 37:31
  Speaker 11: or wash them? Those one the general worst?
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, guys, just know that while some of these questions
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: are so.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Rudimentary, they are cruel and horrible.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: And three little boys are left without their mother while
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: this guy is googling what does for meldehyde do? How
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: long does DNA last? Can an ID be made on
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  Speaker 2: partial remains?
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  Speaker 1: Member?
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  Speaker 9: Meant?
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Best ways to dispose of a body? What happens when
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: you put body parts in ammonia? Should you throw away
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: crime scene clothes or wash them?
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  Speaker 7: So?
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: To doctor Kendel Crown's Lightning round, Dctor crowns how long
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: does DNA last.
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  Speaker 15: You can find the nams on surfaces for years. We
• 38:19
  Speaker 15: just from aldehyde do from aldehyde is a fixative also,
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  Speaker 15: that's what you use to kind of pickle the organs
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  Speaker 15: to keep them preserved for a long periods of time.
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  Speaker 2: What happens when you put body parts anemonia? Doctor Kendl
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  Speaker 2: crowns that one.
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  Speaker 13: I don't know. That's a new one to me as
• 38:36
  Speaker 13: far as I know, I've stopped.
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  Speaker 1: You're out, No, don't go, I've got more.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Oh well, one more quickie from Lynn blund to listen
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  Speaker 2: one can R three That.
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  Speaker 11: Same day at one o two pm to do some
• 38:49
  Speaker 11: more Google searches. What happens to hear on a dead
• 38:53
  Speaker 11: body at one thirteen pm? What is the rate of
• 38:57
  Speaker 11: decomposition of the body in a plastic bag compared to
• 39:02
  Speaker 11: on a service in the woods at one pm?
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: To eighty soda mask? Or maybe hey, body is not good?
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Can baking soda make a body? A dead body smell good?
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: These Google searches have led to a bombshell.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Development in the search for Anna Walch. Bob were joining me?
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Boston twenty five News an indictment explain.
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  Speaker 8: Who was indicted on three counts? There was murder, misleading investigators,
• 39:31
  Speaker 8: and improper disposal of a body. Natcy Can I just
• 39:35
  Speaker 8: say one thing about the internet searches, and it's one
• 39:37
  Speaker 8: thing that has just absolutely haunted me when I go
• 39:40
  Speaker 8: back over this timeline and you realize that there was
• 39:45
  Speaker 8: a New Year's Eve party, that there were three people
• 39:48
  Speaker 8: at this party. It was Brian Anna, and they had
• 39:50
  Speaker 8: one guest in the house, and that guest left the
• 39:53
  Speaker 8: house somewhere between twelve thirty and one o'clock in the morning.
• 39:59
  Speaker 8: That first church. How long before a body starts to
• 40:03
  Speaker 8: smell is at four fifty five am. On A Walsh
• 40:07
  Speaker 8: was alive at one o'clock in the morning, and at
• 40:09
  Speaker 8: four fifty five am she's gone and that search is done,
• 40:14
  Speaker 8: and I just think about that and I think that
• 40:16
  Speaker 8: she's in the house. They also found we haven't talked
• 40:18
  Speaker 8: about this in the district court arraignment. They said that
• 40:23
  Speaker 8: they found blood in the basement and they found I
• 40:26
  Speaker 8: think it was two bloody knives, one broken bloody knife
• 40:31
  Speaker 8: in the basement and a heavy smell of ammonia in
• 40:35
  Speaker 8: the basement of the house. So you know, I'm picturing
• 40:38
  Speaker 8: in my mind that her body is there in the basement.
• 40:40
  Speaker 8: He's killed her, and he goes and he finds his
• 40:43
  Speaker 8: kid's iPad and he's doing these searches within a couple
• 40:46
  Speaker 8: of hours of his wife being there, someone that he loved,
• 40:50
  Speaker 8: And this is what he is doing. I had a story,
• 40:54
  Speaker 8: I broke a story about how he threatened to kill
• 40:58
  Speaker 8: her back in twenty fourteen. And here he is, in
• 41:01
  Speaker 8: the first day of twenty twenty three, in the house
• 41:03
  Speaker 8: with her dead body and he this is she isn't
• 41:07
  Speaker 8: even cold, and he is already coming up with this
• 41:10
  Speaker 8: plan on what to do with her remains. I you know,
• 41:13
  Speaker 8: the depravity of this case. I've been doing this for forty years,
• 41:16
  Speaker 8: and the depravity of this case to me is really
• 41:19
  Speaker 8: just off the charts.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: The three children, the three little boys, now no mom
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: and potentially no dad at home either. Not that it matters,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: motive never has to be proven in court, but mom,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: why why did.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: He do this?
• 41:37
  Speaker 8: There's another There's another detail here too, And from talking
• 41:40
  Speaker 8: to investigators, the New York Post had this, this picture
• 41:44
  Speaker 8: you all may have seen, and I talked to an
• 41:47
  Speaker 8: investigator about this. There was a champagne, a box of
• 41:52
  Speaker 8: champagne from the party that the New York Post got
• 41:54
  Speaker 8: a picture of that was that was on the dining
• 41:57
  Speaker 8: room table. I went knocked on the door or when
• 42:00
  Speaker 8: before all this blew out, Before everything happened, I was
• 42:03
  Speaker 8: trying to talk to Brian. I did you know when
• 42:05
  Speaker 8: she was missing?
• 42:06
  Speaker 10: And we didn't know what we.
• 42:07
  Speaker 8: Were getting ourselves into, really really early on, and I
• 42:10
  Speaker 8: could see inside and the Christmas tree was still set
• 42:12
  Speaker 8: up and it was still lit. You could see inside.
• 42:15
  Speaker 8: I didn't see what I'm about to describe to you
• 42:17
  Speaker 8: because the police hadn't done their search yet. So they
• 42:22
  Speaker 8: found a bottle of champagne and I was still in
• 42:25
  Speaker 8: its box, and the New York Post got a picture
• 42:28
  Speaker 8: of this, and on the side of the box on
• 42:32
  Speaker 8: a Walsh had written a note to Brian on New
• 42:37
  Speaker 8: Year's Eve that said, to Brian, we made it through
• 42:39
  Speaker 8: twenty twenty two. It was a tough year, but twenty
• 42:43
  Speaker 8: twenty three is going to be a great year. I
• 42:45
  Speaker 8: love you, Anna, and it had hearts written on it.
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: And the investigator that I spoke to said they believed
• 42:54
  Speaker 8: that that was her. Those are her last words to
• 42:58
  Speaker 8: the world. And when I look at there's another Internet
• 43:02
  Speaker 8: search here from December twenty seventh. They did not describe
• 43:08
  Speaker 8: where the Internet search was found, so they didn't say
• 43:10
  Speaker 8: if it was on the kids iPad or it was
• 43:12
  Speaker 8: on a phone or a computer. But all it said
• 43:15
  Speaker 8: was the best state for a divorce for a man.
• 43:18
  Speaker 8: So that's from December twenty seventh, when Honor still alive,
• 43:22
  Speaker 8: before the New Year's Eve party. And it makes me
• 43:25
  Speaker 8: wonder if Anna, if this, whatever happened, whatever happened New
• 43:30
  Speaker 8: Year's Eve, if Anna never saw this coming just came
• 43:34
  Speaker 8: out of the blue. I think because the story that
• 43:37
  Speaker 8: I broke about the threat that she complained back in
• 43:41
  Speaker 8: twenty fourteen, before they were engaged, they were just dating.
• 43:45
  Speaker 8: She complained to DC police that he threatened to kill
• 43:49
  Speaker 8: her in twenty fourteen. I think, and I know investigators
• 43:55
  Speaker 8: think that this is a domestic violence case and there's
• 43:57
  Speaker 8: an escalation that started then in twenty eighteen, there's a
• 44:02
  Speaker 8: selfie picture of her where she's pointing at a bruise
• 44:06
  Speaker 8: on her face and she said that she walked, she
• 44:09
  Speaker 8: fell at work or something. It's on one of her
• 44:12
  Speaker 8: Instagram accounts, and I think there was an escalation of
• 44:15
  Speaker 8: domestic violence. I don't think the police were ever called,
• 44:18
  Speaker 8: but something happened was going on behind the scenes, and
• 44:21
  Speaker 8: this is going to be one of the things that
• 44:23
  Speaker 8: I'm going to be watching for to try to understand
• 44:26
  Speaker 8: what happened here and how this exploded, because you don't
• 44:30
  Speaker 8: you don't get to this kind of and this hatred
• 44:35
  Speaker 8: to you know, I can understand a moment of passion
• 44:39
  Speaker 8: of murder of you know, a moment of anger, but
• 44:43
  Speaker 8: this dismemberment and this depravity that we see here and
• 44:48
  Speaker 8: these messages that are caught on the iPad and then
• 44:51
  Speaker 8: what we've been talking about with the disposal of the body,
• 44:54
  Speaker 8: it's almost too much.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: What does the Ana Walsh and murder prosecution have to
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: to do with the Karen Reid hung jury.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: One thing, the.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Lead investigator, Michael Procter, we wait as justice unfolds.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,