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MINI SCROLL: Izzy Darnell BamaRush troll, BFFs Podcast vs. Just Trish + LAInfluencerSnark subreddit drama · Mini Scroll

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  Hi everyone, welcome to Mini scroll, the daily Internet
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  Cam and his co-author Ariel on their new book which is called
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  Conspiracy Nation. And it's all about conspiracy
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  missing Monday and Tuesday. OK, the first story that I have
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  for you guys is, is I'm going to be talking about everything
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  going on with Bama Rush and Izzy Darnell.
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  So I am sure that you guys are familiar with Bama Rush and the
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  Darnell family. I actually talked about Kylin
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  Darnell and how she was not going to be doing Rush and
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  Sorority life. I was going to say in season 4
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  in her senior year. OK, I'm sorry.
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  I am like so while I was sick, all I did was binge Narcos.
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  I've never seen Narcos but I love like that kind of vibe.
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  Like I love a gritty drama. I'm so interested in like closed
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  communities that feel like they operate above the law and have
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  their own like parameters and rules and regulations.
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  That's why I'm also really into Mormonism.
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  So anyways, I was so into Narcos.
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  Right now my brain is just rotted into thinking about
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  everything in seasons because I'm like, oh, I'm in the middle
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  of season 2 and I only have season 3 left.
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  And then I know that there's Narcos Mexico.
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  Anyways, if you guys have seen Narcos, let me know because I'm
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  obsessed and I want any chance to talk about it.
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  But yes, Kylin was not returning to sorority life for her 4th
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  year, her senior year of college.
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  And so her little sister Izzy, now there's some stuff going on
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  with her in Bama Rush. So Kylin has the younger sister
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  Izzy, who has gone pretty viral on TikTok.
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  One of her most iconic moments was when she like, quote UN
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  quote, fell into the pool while she was getting ready for her
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  prom. I am sure a lot of you guys have
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  seen this video. She is known for being a lot
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  more chaotic than Kylin. And people thought that when
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  they saw her starting to rush. OK, like she actually might not
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  get into a house because she's quite polarizing online.
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  There's I guess a lot of rules about how sorority girls and
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  PNMS can post online. For example, they can't post
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  with alcohol in some sororities. So people had questions about if
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  Izzy would get in regardless. So yeah, Izzy started going
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  super viral earlier this month for sharing her outfits of the
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  day, just like Hyland going into Rush.
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  But the comments were overwhelmingly negative.
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  People kept saying that she wasn't taking Rush seriously and
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  there was just like a a lot of criticism around how she was
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  presenting herself around Rush. This spawned a bunch of
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  different, I don't want to say conspiracy theories, but just
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  like I guess discussion points or questions around Izzy around
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  this time. So first, many social media
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  users were not even convinced that Izzy was attending the
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  University of Alabama, let alone Rushing.
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  This was because Izzy was never spotted filming in what seemed
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  to be a dorm and it is generally required I guess that Bama for
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  freshmen to live on campus. Second, assuming that Izzy was
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  in fact attending the University of Alabama, social media users
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  were sad that she didn't attend U Miami, claiming that she could
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  have been the next Alex Earl. So that was like another piece
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  of criticism that was going on in her comments.
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  And 3rd, some viewers questioned whether all of Izzy's outfits of
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  the day get ready with me is were pre recorded and claimed
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  that she was faking the rush process for views.
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  And then perhaps most damning I guess she used to start her
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  videos like Hey girlfriends and then now during rush she started
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  saying hey fools. So people were like is that a
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  hint that she is like trolling us?
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  So it seems like all the questions were answered when she
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  posted a video toward the end of last week.
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  Instead of sharing her outfit of the day, Izzy was standing on a
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  beach. She was handed an envelope that
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  had her name on it before ripping it up and throwing it in
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  the water and the text on screen read Haha fooled y'all again
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  along with the caption. Little do you know I dropped
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  first. So this video was poking fun at
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  bid day which the day that students receive an invitation
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  to join a specific sorority and the caption referenced the
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  rumors that Izzy have been dropped by different sororities
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  including Beta, Zeta, Beta, Zeta.
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  I don't know Zeta, sorry. So now Izzy has gone on to
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  address her Bama Rush experience in a get ready with me.
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  In the video, she shared that she went into Rush with the full
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  intention to join a sorority, but she later came to the
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  conclusion that it just wasn't for her.
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  She also ended up speaking out about the rumors that Zeta had
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  dropped her. Izzy clarified that she placed
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  Zeta in her bottom three preferences because she, quote,
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  didn't want to be Kylin. On top of this, she didn't want
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  to take a spot from someone who truly wanted Zeta.
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  She also added her concerns about adhering to the sorority
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  rules while posting on social media, admitting that it was
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  something that she was not so sure she could easily do.
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  Now, Izzy and Kylin's mom, who also has a TikTok presence and
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  has been very divisive and has been kind of like starting for
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  her daughters. I don't know if it's, I don't
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  think it's on purpose, but I don't think she necessarily
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  really cares, it seems. So she's fueling a lot of
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  rumors, I guess around her daughter's right now based on
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  stuff she's posting. So she also spoke out about the
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  situation in the video. Her mom confirmed that Izzy
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  actually did rush, but she admitted that she wasn't quite
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  sure about the process the whole time.
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  You know, I think Rush talk was really fun in the earlier years,
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  like when it really popped off, it was like 2021-2022, right?
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  And that was kind of the first time that we got to see
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  something like that documented because it's also kind of
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  frowned upon to document, you know?
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  But like, that was really the first time that I think people
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  around the world or people who just like didn't go to college
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  or didn't do the sorority Rush experience at all, got like a
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  peek, a glimpse into what it's actually like outside of movies
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  and stuff, right? And that was like really
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  exciting. But I actually feel like the
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  moment for Rush Talk has kind of ended.
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  We understand how it goes. It's realistically not as
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  interesting as I think people thought it might be.
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  We understand the type of girl that gets in.
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  We can spot more following Rush Talk.
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  We can spot a fuck. That girl's not going to get
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  chosen, you know, And it's always for the same reason.
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  It is such a shitty system sometimes.
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  And yeah, I just feel like in general, the moment for Rush
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  Talk is over. And I definitely think the fact
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  that Kylin and now Izzy who were like, I mean, Kylin was like
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  literally like the Rush Talk girl for so long has left
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  sorority life for her final year.
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  I think it's possible we will see the reins being pulled in
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  tighter and tighter around these girls that want to have Internet
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  presences while also being in sororities.
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  I think eventually those reins will have to loosen.
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  But I think for the first little while, they'll try and pull them
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  in tighter and say, like, you cannot post this because, you
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  know, one of the major kind of theories around Kylin stepping
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  away from sorority life in her final year is because she was
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  like asked to because of her online presence and how divisive
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  that can be in the controversies around her sometimes.
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  And like that just goes with being on the Internet,
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  obviously. I think in general, it's just
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  another example of how an industry, in this case Greek
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  life, was just not ready for TikTok and the influence, the
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  impact that TikTok would have on their industry.
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  OK, the next word that I have for you guys is I'm going to
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  break down the drama scandal between the BFFS podcast and
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  Oscar Gracie from just Trish. So this all started after Josh
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  Richards and Brianna Chicken Fry from the NFS podcast were asked
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  to interview Adam Sandler for Happy Gilmore. 2O was asked to
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  react to the interview while live streaming.
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  Oscar has a background in entertainment journalism and in
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  the stream he questioned why Brianna and Josh got to
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  interview Adam Sandler in the 1st place, saying that it felt
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  kind of random. Brianna and Josh later reacted
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  to Oscar's comments and Trish was kind of grouped in there.
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  Trisha Paytas, even though she didn't really say anything about
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  the interview. But you know, Oscar is the
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  producer. I think it is.
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  That was somebody. Is he the producer?
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  I think he's her producer of the Just Trish podcast.
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  In their reaction, they questioned why the Just Trish
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  podcast is always talking about them and the BFFS podcast,
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  especially because they rarely respond.
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  And now Tricia and Oscar have gone on to respond to their
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  response. So Tricia spoke about how it can
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  be triggering to be caught up in this drama, especially with
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  Brianna, given that she has body shamed Tricia at one point.
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  If you guys don't remember, a video of Barstool employees
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  started circulating of them reacting to Trisha Paytas is
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  Only Fans. This was like a few years ago
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  and Brianna was in this and she was sharing the video with her
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  colleagues. Trisha also added that she has
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  been trying to be supportive of Brianna recently given
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  everything that's gone down Was that Brian?
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  Oscar went on to say that he didn't really want to talk about
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  this but he couldn't look past the way that Brianna made a
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  quote casually homophobic remark where she implied that Oscar was
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  being shady toward Josh because he has a crush on him.
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  Oscar also doubled down on the fact that he is not an
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  influencer. The live stream where he made
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  his comments was just for fun and also only had around 600
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  people watching. This left him further confused
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  about the intensity of their response.
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  And then on top of this, Oscar could also not understand why
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  they would assume that he was jealous of BFFS for the
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  interview. He was basically like, I have a
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  very successful entertainment journalism career producing
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  celebrity interviews. He flexed his Emmy that he has
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  for producing celebrity interviews.
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  So he was saying his criticism mostly came from like working in
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  media that perspective. OK, so a couple things.
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  I don't totally agree that Oscar is not an influencer.
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  I understand he does not brand himself as that and he would not
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  consider himself that. But he is like whether you are,
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  you know, posting on Instagram as your full time job, Hawking
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  product, making tick tocks with the creator fund or you are
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  sitting as a producer, as a Co host slash producer on Trisha
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  Paytas podcast and have a really big platform off the back of
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  that too. I'm not saying that he didn't
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  have a big career, a big platform prior to Trish.
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  That's obviously partly how he got hired by Trish.
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  But regardless, like being in Trish's universe now, being on
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  her podcast every week, like that has obviously increased his
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  influence. I do think he is kind of an
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  influencer now. He is no longer behind the
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  scenes. Like if I asked any given person
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  who was like really into Internet culture, if they know
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  who Oscar from Jess Trish is, they would probably say yes.
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  So I do think more people are paying attention to him maybe
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  than he realizes. But also like we all have been
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  talking about, I mean, not BFFS. We don't talk about BFFS
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  anymore. I don't talk about Josh
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  Richards, but like pop culture, Internet culture reporting talks
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  about Brianna chicken fry a lot. All of us do because she is
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  constantly making news. Like there's constantly stuff
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  going on. They literally acknowledge that
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  on the BFFS podcast last year when she broke up with Zach and
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  they did a whole episode. And I remember Dave and Josh
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  both were talking about with her how, like, it's so bizarre that
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  essentially they're like, pop culture, Internet culture news
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  that they want to cover every week on BFFS.
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  Like, Brianna's at the center of so much of it.
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  So, like, that's why Trish and Oscar are talking about BFFS and
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  talking about Brianna. I don't know if they're ever
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  talking about Josh Richards, but, yeah.
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  And I do like that Oscar stood up for himself and said what you
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  said about me having a crush on Josh Richards is, like, casually
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  homophobic because it absolutely is.
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  But yeah, that's the feud between these two very popular
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  podcast right now. OK, the last thing that I wanted
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  to talk about, the last story I have for you guys is we need to
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  talk about what's going on in the LA influencer snark
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  subreddit. So if you are unfamiliar with
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  the R/LA influencer snark subreddit, it is a very famous
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  snark subreddit for basically any influencer who lives in LA.
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  It currently has over 175,000 members and it started in 2022.
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  This all started like 3 weeks ago when a mod named Rice Milk
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  in 99 X shared a post titled The Future to the subreddit.
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  It was screenshot of a statement referencing an article by The
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  Cut that put forth like, less than favorable views of the
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  subreddit. The statement read.
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  Earlier this year, The Cut published A scathing piece on LA
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  Influencer Snark, painting our members as bitter, parasocial,
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  and envious of the glossy influencer world.
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  It's a lazy take that ignores the lines we draw between
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  deserved criticism and cruelty. That narrative won't define the
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  next era for LA Influencer Snark.
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  In the coming weeks, we'll be rolling out changes to reflect
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  who we are and who we want to be.
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  And then about a week later, the mods shared another update.
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  This post was called The Reset. It announced a new look for the
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  subreddit and then there was also a whole list of new rules
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  and posting guidelines. This included rules like we
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  don't shame, we don't label, we don't diagnose, and more which
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  is great like those are really good changes.
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  However, from posts by users talking about the changes, it
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  seems that the users couldn't even use the word snark on the
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  subreddit anymore and people were like this is weird that
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  you're blocking users for using the subreddit for what it is
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  intended for, which is snark. And then other posts by the mods
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  said that the subreddit was opening mod applications for
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  upcoming projects, which included a very interesting list
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  of qualifications. So this post seems to be
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  deleted, but someone did screenshot it and post it in a
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  different stark Reddit. According to the post,
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  applicants had to be between the ages of 20 and 25.
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  That is something that many people found to be very weird
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  because that is like a blatant age discrimination, which is
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  like illegal I think in most countries.
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  Also 20 to 25, I understand that's probably when you are
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  entrenched the most, maybe in like celebrity culture, the most
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  interested in that chronically online culture, but you also
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  don't have a fully formed frontal lobe yet.
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  Another qualification included being willing to participate in
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  podcast style episodes with other mods, and that raised
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  alarm bells for a lot of users. Ultimately, all of these changes
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  LED people to believe that maybe the subreddit was being bought
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  out by someone. A post on the R slash subreddit
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  drama summarized why this started circulating, pointing to
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  the fact that the mod who was posting about all of these
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  changes was only 54 days old. Like their account quote.
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  The new mods Rice milk 99 X account is 54 days old and has
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  no post or common history. No new posts have been approved
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  since Yesterday Starkers took their discussion to the New York
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  counterpart R/NYC Influencer Snark with a post titled LA
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  Influencer Snark Downfall. So there's speculation that the
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  new mod is like an insider of sorts like this.
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  Rice, what is it? I don't say Rice gum.
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  Rice milk. Rice Gum is a streamer.
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  This rice milk person is an insider of sorts, Someone who is
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  like trying to limit the discourse that goes on in the
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  subreddit. According to this post, some
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  users believe it's influencer Lily Chi However, there's also a
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  lot of speculation that it's not Lily Chi.
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  It's actually just like a man who's a fan of Lily Chi who's
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  like obsessed with Lily Chi and that all his posts around her
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  have been deleted. And then one mod alleged mod
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  shared their side of the story on another snark Reddit saying
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  that she had to take a step back from the subreddit for her
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  mental health. It all came to a head when the
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  current mod pulled a manic toddler like meltdown when we
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  tried to bring in new mods, which is when me and the only
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  other mod decided to both step away and give him the sub.
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  We both deleted our accounts and he modded the sub by himself on
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  multiple accounts thereafter. Obviously I can't know for sure,
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  but I'm pretty certain the newest account is just him on
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  1/3 account. Towards the end of our modding
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  he had a habit of using alternate accounts to argue with
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  users, so I'm not surprised to read that he's now deleting
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  comments and posts that don't fit his ideology.
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  So obviously if that is true, I guess it explains why this mod
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  Rice milk is only 54 days old. If it's like just this mod who
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  just creates new accounts, that's why the account is so
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  new. Anyway, it doesn't seem like we
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  have an answer yet on what is happening with LA Influencer
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  Snark, but it is clear that users are not happy with the
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  changes. The mods have made some
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  modifications to try and appeal to the user base, and they have
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  since issued a statement reading.
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  We want to thank the community for their feedback over the past
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  day. Conversations have been ongoing
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  and we've been reflecting deeply on the direction of LA
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  Influencer Snark and how our intent has been received.
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  The last few weeks have been very difficult for everyone, and
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  we know many of you have felt unseen, confused, and even
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  frustrated by the recent changes.
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  It's sparked discussion, but our hope now is to move forward with
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  more transparency and mutual trust.
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  The reset was always rooted in a desire to elevate LA Influencer
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  Snark, never for personal or financial gain, which is why
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  we're shelving the LA Influencer Snark podcast and the other side
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  projects for the foreseeable future.
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  We also want to make it unequivocally clear no one on
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  our team has any affiliation with the influencers discussed
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  on this forum. We've never used personal
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  relationship to protect anyone or suppress content, nor were
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  there any plans to monetize the community through sponsorships,
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  partnerships, or merge any narrative that suggests
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  otherwise. It's baseless speculation,
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  period. Let's wipe the slate clean and
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  begin again. This is so fascinating to me.
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  Like drama inter like subreddit drama is so fascinating because
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  the point of this subreddit obviously is to talk about
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  influencer drama and to snark on influencers and when close
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  communities end up turning on each other.
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  Fascinating. I feel like that is tail is all
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  this time on the Internet, but it's so, so interesting.
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  I do think the more mainstream spotlight on snark culture that
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  we've seen just in the last like 12 months has really spun these
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  communities out of control. I talked about it with Tattle
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  Life, but when that whole like lawsuit situation happened and
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  then for weeks after, like the Tattle Life subreddit was just
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  filled with people being like, how do I delete my account?
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  I'm really worried that my identity is going to get exposed
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  XYZ. It seems like from what I can
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  see, it's making people who are like heavily engaged in these
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  communities question if they should be, not that they are
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  justified or not justified in being part of these communities
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  and doing what they're doing. If you are really involved in
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  starking, I imagine it's probably hard to change your
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  mind that what you're doing is like bullying or like not
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  productive. Like I think a lot of people
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  make excuses for themselves to justify their behavior and what
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  they're posting online anonymously.
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  But regardless, I wonder if it's going to have more of a lasting
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  impact on these communities in general and how people interact
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  with snark where they maybe are more cautious.
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  I don't know. Anyways guys, that's it for any
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