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160 Arrested for Being Gay — Why Is the World Silent? · The Karel Show

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  Speaker 4: It is The Carell Show. I am Carell. This time
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  Speaker 4: for this gay week. Also, we'll check in on the
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  Speaker 4: Ukraine with Scott Jacobson from The Good Man Project, who
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  Speaker 4: is in Kyiv. We're going to talk all things international,
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  Speaker 4: including Turkey, and all of the gay stuff.
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  Speaker 5: The Gay Week.
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  Speaker 4: All right, it is The Carell Show. I am Carell.
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  Speaker 4: having a good week. It is Thursday, September 17th. I
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  Speaker 4: hope you're having a good time, unless you're Ed Sheeran.
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  Speaker 4: Then you're having a bad week. But if you're Macklemore,
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  Speaker 4: you're having a good week. I'm sure Scott probably doesn't
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  Speaker 4: know what I'm talking about, whereas he's over in Ukraine
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  Speaker 4: and they don't get all the gossip over there, but
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  Speaker 4: pretty juicy stuff. We've got a lot to talk about today.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to talk turkey, and I don't mean the
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  Speaker 4: stuff you eat for Thanksgiving. And then, of course, we're
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  Speaker 4: going to look at all other stories from around the world,
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  Speaker 4: from Cyprus and everywhere else, what people are getting up
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  Speaker 4: to in the gay community or what the gay community
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  Speaker 4: is having done to it. Someone asked me, and I
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  Speaker 4: just want to address it. Someone asked me via email,
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  Speaker 4: why have I started doing four shows a month called...
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  Speaker 4: completely dedicated to, or mostly dedicated, to LGBTQ issues. First
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  Speaker 4: of all, I want to answer by saying, take a
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  Speaker 4: fucking look at who the host is. Okay, that's the
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  Speaker 4: first thing. Second of all, I do this feature with
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  Speaker 4: Scott every week, whether or not we broadcast it, for
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  Speaker 4: his writing at the Good Man Project. So I always figure,
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  Speaker 4: why not just make a show of it? But more importantly,
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  Speaker 4: there are not too many shows under Donald Trump these
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  Speaker 4: days that are dedicated to LGBTQ issues. You know, there
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  Speaker 4: is one on Free Speech TV. That host is actually leaving.
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  Speaker 4: And then there's people like Stephanie Miller who is gay
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  Speaker 4: but doesn't do gay topics like once a week. So
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  Speaker 4: I am one of the few openly gay hosts who
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  Speaker 4: actually still has decided that once a week we are
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  Speaker 4: going to look at LGBTQ issues because they don't just
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  Speaker 4: affect gay people. and most of you have a gay
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  Speaker 4: person in your family. So whether or not you know it,
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  Speaker 4: it hits home one way or another. And that's why.
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  Speaker 4: And plus, at KFI and KGO, I was never allowed to.
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  Speaker 4: They would not let me do an entire show of
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  Speaker 4: gay issues. And I mean that. They would not allow it.
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  Speaker 4: So it's my show. I'm allowed to do it. I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to do it. So we've got about two minutes
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  Speaker 4: left in this segment. So let's just go right to Scott. First,
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  Speaker 4: we'll do a two shot, but then we've got a
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  Speaker 4: single shot for him. Now, I set it up last
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  Speaker 4: week to get his big smile and face fill in
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  Speaker 4: the screen. So, Scott, let's talk about Ukraine. We are
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  Speaker 4: getting the news over here. Very mixed. First of all,
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  Speaker 4: we got Trump trying to tell Ukraine not to attack
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  Speaker 4: Russian diesel, and he's trying to blame diesel prices in
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  Speaker 4: America on the Ukraine war, which is just fucking ridiculous.
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  Speaker 4: We know it's the Iran war and the Red Sea
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  Speaker 4: Strait being closed by the Houthis. But I watched BBC,
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  Speaker 4: and I guess there was a train a few days
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  Speaker 4: back with Boris Johnson and other diplomats from NATO nations
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  Speaker 4: on it, and had it left at the key time
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  Speaker 4: that it was supposed to, it would have been hit. However,
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  Speaker 4: they left a half hour early and got to the
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  Speaker 4: train station early, so when.
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  Speaker 1: Showtime is here. No time to fear.
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  Speaker 3: Corral is the one that you need to know.
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  Speaker 4: All right, sorry about that. Not to be too technical, y'all,
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  Speaker 4: but right before the show, I tried to fix segment one.
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  Speaker 4: I apologize. Anyway, Scott, let's not beleaguer it. You are there.
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  Speaker 4: And over here on BBC, we're hearing them say if
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  Speaker 4: they had hit the train, it would have been time
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  Speaker 4: to invoke Article 5, which means NATO basically would go
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  Speaker 4: to war with Russia. And we're hearing talks of an
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  Speaker 4: escalating global conflict. That sounds like newspeak for World War II.
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  Speaker 4: So you are boots on the ground there in Kyiv.
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  Speaker 4: What are you guys hearing about escalation, NATO, and Russia's
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  Speaker 4: involvement in all of that?
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  Speaker 5: So a couple of things. With regards to global conflict,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, the world is at conflict, but it's probably
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  Speaker 5: more relevant to say regional conflicts. And so with regards to,
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  Speaker 5: for instance, the Iranian situation, that was an American-Israeli operation.
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  Speaker 5: ongoing against Iran. Iran bombed more than a dozen countries,
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  Speaker 5: I think, in the region. So that you could probably
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  Speaker 5: legitimately consider an ongoing, a regional war. Is that a global? No,
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  Speaker 5: but it's definitely regional. If that regional conflict merges with
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  Speaker 5: another regional conflict, I think you probably can define it
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  Speaker 5: as either inter-regional, if not global, because things get really
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  Speaker 5: out of hand at that point. With regards to where
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  Speaker 5: I'm at, There are journalists who are more frontline cities,
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  Speaker 5: more often than I am. I'm currently based in Kyiv,
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  Speaker 5: so it's not really quite frontline cities like Kharkiv or
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  Speaker 5: Odessa or Nikolaev or Dnipro. But generally speaking, the general
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  Speaker 5: sense is that any peace talks are necessary, but people
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  Speaker 5: are largely skeptical of any of the successes that might
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  Speaker 5: come from these based on prior hard experience. From American
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  Speaker 5: deliberations with Russians.
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  Speaker 4: Well, okay, but let me ask you this. Do you
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  Speaker 4: guys envision... What we're afraid of over here is that
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  Speaker 4: Russia is going to attack... Ukraine and hit NATO allies
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  Speaker 4: or attack NATO allies who are in fact helping Ukraine
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  Speaker 4: and then start a actual world war where China jumps in,
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  Speaker 4: North Korea jumps in, the United States would then get
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  Speaker 4: dragged into it, the UK, France, Italy, Germany, Spain, all
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  Speaker 4: of that would get, you know, if they had hit
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  Speaker 4: that train, and killed German diplomats, Spanish diplomats, French diplomats.
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  Speaker 4: If they had done that, essentially that might have pulled
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  Speaker 4: all of those countries into the war, which means suddenly
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  Speaker 4: it wouldn't be Ukraine v. Russia. It would be Ukraine,
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  Speaker 4: the EU, possibly the United States versus Russia. Russia would
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  Speaker 4: then wake up China and ask them for help. and
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  Speaker 4: it could easily become a larger global world war. Are
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  Speaker 4: you guys hearing the same? That because Russia is sort of,
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  Speaker 4: how do I say this? They're not giving deference to
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  Speaker 4: NATO now. They don't care if they hit NATO targets,
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  Speaker 4: it would appear. Mr.
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  Speaker 5: Putin doesn't seem to have another option. Another part of this,
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  Speaker 5: there's a lot of assumptions in that sort of statement
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  Speaker 5: you gave. But in terms of individual determination at the
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  Speaker 5: NATO level of sufficient threshold for invoking Article 5. That's
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  Speaker 5: a decision for Mr. Vluta. I mean, there have been
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  Speaker 5: a lot of things that could be considered hybrid and
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  Speaker 5: informational warfare and other terrorist acts by the Russian Federation
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  Speaker 5: against EU and NATO member states simply for the fact
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  Speaker 5: that they will not invoke Article 5 because there's some
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  Speaker 5: threshold to what we considered traditional acts of war. And
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  Speaker 5: there have been very provocative things done. But there's a
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  Speaker 5: lot of information of war that's done to sort of
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  Speaker 5: mess around with social opinions, dividing society, individual terrorist attacks,
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  Speaker 5: hacking of systems. I mean, so these cable clippings and
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  Speaker 5: pipeline stuff will bit suspicious in a lot of cases,
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  Speaker 5: but getting proper determinations is another order outside of just
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  Speaker 5: the fact.
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  Speaker 4: That it happened. You know, I heard something yesterday, and
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  Speaker 4: let me ask if you think this is a possibility.
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  Speaker 4: Someone said on the news, how do you think these
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  Speaker 4: two conflicts are going to stop? Meaning, Russia, Ukraine, and
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  Speaker 4: the United States and Iran. And they had the same
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  Speaker 4: answer for both. They said, well, in Iran, Trump, being Trump,
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  Speaker 4: is going to say, okay, we won, and just walk away.
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  Speaker 4: Just stop everything. Like, we won, we're done, that's it.
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  Speaker 4: And just as he is prone to do. And they
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  Speaker 4: said the same for Vladimir Putin. They said that Putin
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  Speaker 4: may just depending on what happens in his country and
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  Speaker 4: the mood of his people, may just say, okay, we've
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  Speaker 4: made these gains, we've won, we've gotten our objective, the
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  Speaker 4: war is over. Is that plausible to you, to where
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  Speaker 4: both big leaders, Trump and Putin, in the wars that
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  Speaker 4: they're both engaged in, basically just say, okay, we're done,
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  Speaker 4: we've won, let's just move on? Because there is no
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  Speaker 4: real roadmap for Trump to get out of Iran. And
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  Speaker 4: there is no real roadmap for Vladimir to get out
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  Speaker 4: of Ukraine without just getting out, without saying it's over.
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  Speaker 5: So the Russian case is much more substantial in the
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  Speaker 5: sunk costs for Mr. Putin than the running case for
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  Speaker 5: Trump and his administration, although both are catastrophes. Um, In
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  Speaker 5: terms of escalation, I'm skeptical of escalations, although there are
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  Speaker 5: a lot of provocative actions being done both ways, by
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  Speaker 5: the way, because if you're wrong and you're bombing all
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  Speaker 5: of your neighbors, that's a significant provocation, you could say.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, not being a good neighbor.
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  Speaker 5: For some reason, the United Emirates. With regards to Russia, Mr.
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  Speaker 5: Putin is hugely in sunk costs territory. A large chunk
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  Speaker 5: of their territory GDP per annum is paid to debt.
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  Speaker 5: Another large hunk is paid to defense. Both of those
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  Speaker 5: combined probably might amount to approximately half of the GDP.
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  Speaker 5: It's an enormously expensive conflict in terms of the economics
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  Speaker 5: of it.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's why they got out of Russia. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: that's why they got out of Afghanistan, right? He just
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  Speaker 4: couldn't afford to fight on that front anymore. Russia, they
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  Speaker 4: went broke and the Soviet Union fell, and that's why
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  Speaker 4: they left Afghanistan.
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  Speaker 5: It's also the taste for it in each society. Societies evolve, right?
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  Speaker 5: And so new demographics.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Well, so like for instance, I mean, I mean, so
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  Speaker 5: even the nine 11 session we recently did, you know,
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  Speaker 5: there are young adults several years into their young adulthood
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  Speaker 5: who don't care much for nine 11. It's not part
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  Speaker 5: of their life story, their direct life story. And similar,
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  Speaker 5: I think with the Russian case, they, Basically, they have
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  Speaker 5: a lot of markings of a consumer society like United States.
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  Speaker 5: Not capitalist, but like consumer society in terms of long
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  Speaker 5: gas lines at the gas station and Wildberries, their Amazon equivalent,
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  Speaker 5: delaying deliveries or having their stock exploded. That is a
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  Speaker 5: major stressor for ordinary Russians.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, you bring up a good point. And I know
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  Speaker 4: we're going to talk gay things, but when I heard...
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  Speaker 4: that Ukraine attacking Wildberry was a huge deal. I didn't
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  Speaker 4: understand why. And now you just explained it. It's their Amazon.
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  Speaker 4: And so, I mean, can you imagine in the United
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  Speaker 4: States if Iran took out Amazon? I mean, can you imagine?
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  Speaker 5: Well, this is what I'm driving at. Americans would get
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  Speaker 5: on TikTok or social media in the similar way the
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  Speaker 5: Russians have and be crying about long lineups.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree.
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  Speaker 5: So that's a stress for them. The Ukrainian case is,
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  Speaker 5: you know, a grandmother.
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  Speaker 4: What is Amazon in the Ukraine? Do you guys have
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  Speaker 4: that kind of thing? And what is it? Is it
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  Speaker 4: Wildberry or is it Amazon? Oh, my gosh.
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  Speaker 5: No. Depends. They have a bunch of different things. Like
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  Speaker 5: for people really rely on Nova Poshta, like the post office, essentially.
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  Speaker 5: And like I remember my first year, I got my
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  Speaker 5: my press vest and my combat helmet via Nova Poshta.
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  Speaker 5: I was in, I think I landed in Odessa, and
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  Speaker 5: my friend mailed it. It was a very prominent person
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  Speaker 5: in Kiev. Mailed it from Kiev to Odessa. I said,
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  Speaker 5: thank you very much. And then me and my Romanian
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  Speaker 5: journalist friend went on our merry way to Mykolaiv from there.
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  Speaker 5: And actually, when we were, it was middle winter. They
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  Speaker 5: had a once in a century snowstorm. The roads broke down.
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  Speaker 5: We couldn't, the trains weren't working. The buses weren't working.
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  Speaker 5: And we found some old guy with a van and
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  Speaker 5: a back hatch where you could put your luggage in.
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  Speaker 5: And we just, we paid him 500 hryvnia or something,
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  Speaker 5: which is maybe, you know, it's less than $ 20 in American.
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  Speaker 5: And he drove us from, through this like road that
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  Speaker 5: was still being cleared. And as we were driving, cars
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  Speaker 5: were like going off the road. And so we'd stop,
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  Speaker 5: get out, help push them back onto the road. And
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  Speaker 5: then I'm going to make it like a live.
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  Speaker 4: Why you're not making a documentary about all this. I
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  Speaker 4: have no idea because I would certainly watch it.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 4: You said something.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, go ahead.
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  Speaker 4: Go ahead, Scott.
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  Speaker 5: I have a really good story for you. You might
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  Speaker 5: find this very amusing. I was working at the horse farm,
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  Speaker 5: and I was trolling horse ships, driving a tractor and landscaping.
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  Speaker 5: I used that money to pay for my first trip here,
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  Speaker 5: but I couldn't get time off because of agriculture in
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  Speaker 5: my hometown. And so I had to get surgery, got
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  Speaker 5: a doctor's note. And so then my friend Karen, who's
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  Speaker 5: in her mid-50s, and she drove me straight from surgery
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  Speaker 5: that morning, directly to the airport, and then I flew
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  Speaker 5: to Kishinau, Moldova, and then I ended up in Odessa.
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  Speaker 5: And so I was on tons of painkillers, while I
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  Speaker 5: was recovering from surgery and traveling from frontline cities.
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  Speaker 4: I feel anyone in Ukraine should be on multiple painkillers
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  Speaker 4: at the moment, but that's just me. Now, when we
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  Speaker 4: were discussing this gay week, One of the first things
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  Speaker 4: you said was, everything I searched was Turkey, Turkey, Turkey, Turkey.
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  Speaker 4: And that's because the biggest LGBTQ international story right now
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  Speaker 4: is Turkey. So do you want to preface us on
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  Speaker 4: what's going on there? And then I can comment because
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  Speaker 4: I already know what's going on there. But you are
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  Speaker 4: very newsy and very matter of fact. I get emotional.
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  Speaker 4: So did you want to preface us on what Turkey
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  Speaker 4: is doing?
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  Speaker 5: Both sides are in. Well, it's an opinion show, so
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  Speaker 5: both sides of that sort of equation are really important.
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  Speaker 5: So it's a centrally coordinated nationwide operation, not just simply
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  Speaker 5: a bunch of individual police cases. So Justice Minister Ayken
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  Speaker 5: Goyek called the operation Ayem Guvende, or in translation, My
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  Speaker 5: Family is Safe. And it covered 162 suspects, nine associations,
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  Speaker 5: and 13 businesses involved. in 15 provinces, coordinated through prosecutors
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  Speaker 5: in Istanbul, Ankara, Izmir, Aydin, and Mursin. And so the
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  Speaker 5: authorities described the investigations as involving obscenity, prostitution-related offenses, exposure
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  Speaker 5: of children to allegedly obscene material, and other suspected crimes.
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  Speaker 5: The important part there are alleged and suspected. Now, with
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  Speaker 5: regards to human rights abuse, there's a lot to talk
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  Speaker 5: about here, but this has been a significant crackdown from
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  Speaker 5: the state on a minority population simply based on sexual
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  Speaker 5: orientation and gender identity.
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  Speaker 4: And you have to wonder why now. I mean, a
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  Speaker 4: lot of these laws have been in effect for a while.
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  Speaker 4: It's not like these are brand new laws. Some of
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  Speaker 4: them are, but we've covered their passage here on the show. But,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you got to wonder why now? Why is
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  Speaker 4: Turkey so invested? You know, my family is safe. There's
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  Speaker 4: a lot of things to worry about in Turkey when
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  Speaker 4: you have a family. Queers are not one of them. But,
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  Speaker 4: you know, this is the key words and the catchphrases
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  Speaker 4: that they use. You spoke of human rights abuses. For
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  Speaker 4: you in the audience to liken this to something you
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  Speaker 4: can understand, this is sort of like ICE in America.
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  Speaker 4: In other words, they are going, they don't usually have
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  Speaker 4: warrants of any kind. Half of it's alleged, oh, I
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  Speaker 4: think they're gay or whatever, that sort of stuff. And
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  Speaker 4: so it is a, it's literally, we like to use
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  Speaker 4: the term these days, a witch hunt or a queen
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  Speaker 4: hunt or whatever you want to call it. Uh, and, and,
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  Speaker 4: and again, I just wonder why Turkey is doing this.
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  Speaker 4: Is there an election coming up? Is the leader trying
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  Speaker 4: to curry favor with, you know, some extremist or, you know,
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  Speaker 4: why now, um, they're choosing to do this? Uh, only
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  Speaker 4: the leader can answer. We neither Scott or I are
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  Speaker 4: in charge of the country. Uh, but it is happening.
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  Speaker 4: And so, first of all, if you're gay and you're
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  Speaker 4: thinking of traveling, uh, Stay away from Turkey. Just stay
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  Speaker 4: away at this point. Second of all, if you're listening
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  Speaker 4: and you're in Turkey, stay safe. And no other way
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  Speaker 4: to say this, make your light a little less bright.
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  Speaker 4: You know, dim your light a little. this is not
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  Speaker 4: well it's not the time for flat you know look
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  Speaker 4: as a gay man i and we have a break
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  Speaker 4: coming up but um as a gay man and and
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  Speaker 4: being so identifiably gay um i have learned that there
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  Speaker 4: is a time to wave your rainbow flag and and
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: be defiant and then your literal safety your life at
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: times could depend on keeping it down a little toning
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: it down a little not saying deny who you are
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: i'm saying don't wear the daisy dukes out just to
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  Speaker 4: go shopping patriots Thank you. You have to be proud
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: with hatred. Hey everyone, it's Karel. You know, Pride Month
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: was rough this year. We had a lot of hate
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: heaped upon us from Trump, from MAGA, and from other
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: governments around the world. And if you are a trans person,
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: you are really going through a particular type of hell
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: right now. That's why when I was thinking of my
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: next single in June, I sat down and I wrote,
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  Speaker 4: You have to be proud. You have to be proud.
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  Speaker 4: With anger so loud.
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  Speaker 5: Streaming everywhere.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: Keep fighting. Keep singing. Keep dancing. We're going to win.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: You know, it's funny, Scott. Scott Jacobson with The Good
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: Man Project joining us from Kiev. I was watching the
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: commercial there for my song, You Have to Be Proud,
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: and thinking of the lyrics, you have to be proud
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: with hatred so loud. You have to be strong when
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: fighting so long. So dance in the streets, go ahead,
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: show your pride. It's funny because while that is the
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: ideal world in which I would like myself and other
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: LGBTQ people to live, the reality is there are times
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: where you cannot do that, where you can't dance in
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: the street and show your pride because you will literally
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: be shot or arrested. And It is hard for American gays,
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: even though there's all this violence going on here against us.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: We just had two people shot in a parking lot,
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: as you know, another person in Sacramento, two more people
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: were just shot last week. So while we are dying
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: here and we are being shot, it is nothing like
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: what is going on in Turkey and the other countries
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  Speaker 4: that we are about to cover. So it's a horrible
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: thing to have to tell people that sometimes, like when
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: Andrew and I went to a blacksmith's corner, which later
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: as a biker, I would go to and be out
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: proud and gay and realize it was no problem. But
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: when Andrew and I went in our car with our
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: pink triangle on and we're in a sea of 150,
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: 200 motorcycles, we thought we were in danger. So we
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: took the pink triangle off of our car because we
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: were sitting there waiting for somebody. We didn't think we
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: needed everyone to know there were two gays in the car.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: I now know that was a stupid thing to do
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: because I've been to Blacksmith's Corner as a biker and
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: realized they're the nicest, most wonderful, accepting, diverse group of
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: people in the world. But at the time, all we
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: saw was big burly Harley drivers and thought, oh, fuck,
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: you know, we got to take this pink triangle off
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: the car. So sometimes waving your flag, you know, if
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: you're under attack and they're tackling you to the ground, OK,
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: wave your flag. They're already tackling you. But if you
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: can avoid it, avoid it. So you pick. You sent
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: a lot of great stories. You pick where you'd like
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: to start. I pulled up to the Cyprus story first,
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: but you pick.
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: Yes. That's the one. So Cyprus, queer wave banners. So,
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: except LGBTI has urged Cypriot police to investigate the removal
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: of queer wave film festival banners in Kaimakle, arguing that
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: vandalism targeted queer visibility, freedom of expression, assembly, and equal
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: access to public space for all residents. So just a petty...
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: the story of vandalism against LGBTI identifiable content, essentially.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: Well, and of course, we have a lot of that
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: going on in the United States, people tearing down pride
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: flags and all that sort of stuff. But what's important
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: here is, first of all, this, I believe, was a
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: film festival. It was a festival they were having to
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: showcase LGBTQ films, which are very powerful films. I don't
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: know if you have ever really watched gay films from
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: other country. Some of them just tend to be fluff,
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: you know, comedy or whatever. But a lot of them
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: deal with really complex issues. And this is this is
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: how hearts and minds are changed, you know, through cinema.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: And I've seen I saw a great movie about a Jew.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: this is very relevant, a Jew on this side of
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: the wall who was in love with a Palestinian on
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: that side of the wall and how they made their
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: romance work and how do you introduce your Palestinian lover
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: to your Jewish parents and how do you introduce your
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: Jewish lover to your Palestinian parents and It was a great,
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: great movie. And so gay and lesbian film, LGBTQ film,
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: and if you ever want a place to just go
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: watch a lot of it, it's Hear Media, Hear TV
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: and Hear Media. That's a gay and lesbian film network.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: It's important to the community. And so Queer Wave was
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: throwing this film festival in Cyprus, Cyprus, the island of Cyprus,
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: which is split in two, technically. Or was this Cyprus
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: in Greece? Which Cyprus was this? Uh, I think it's
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: the Isle of Cyprus. I think that's where it was. Um,
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: you know, they're trying to expose people to works of
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: gay cinema and they put up posters and banners and
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: those were torn down. It was a homophobic act. It
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: was an act against the community. Um, but given the
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: world today and the shift to the right worldwide, which
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: we have spoken about often, um, I think it's par
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: for the course, unfortunately. I think every gay event for
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: the next several years is going to have such things
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: happen where pride flags are torn down or posters are
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: vandalized or that sort of thing. Until the world swings
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: back to more center or left, I just think this
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: is going to keep happening, unfortunately. The organization called on
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: Nicosia municipality and the Kamikale community to publicly confirm that
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: the area belongs to all residents, including LGBTI residents.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: And really what's so basic.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know. Isn't it, though? Let's remind everyone that
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: gay people are citizens, too, shall we? You know, it's
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: unfortunate that that has to be done. But even in
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: this country. You know, even in America, we have to
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: remind Congress that gay people count, that we matter, that
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: we pay taxes, that we, you know, we spoke last
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: week about the lady that's fighting for gay rights by saying, hey,
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: I pay taxes. It's sad that you have to remind
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: non-gay people that, but I will go on record as
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: saying it's not just gays. You've got to remind some
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: people that blacks are citizens that share the space. Or
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: in any country, the ethnicity that lives there. If it's
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: a Muslim country, you have to remind them that the
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Christians also live there. So I think wherever there are minorities,
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: the majority sometimes has to be reminded that it's a
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: shared space.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: This is the big thing I come across and have
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: for years in doing these interviews. and other work is
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: basically individuals try to frame any of the coverage of
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: the stuff as I want to impose LGBTI plus on
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: every society where it's no reminding individuals, these LGBTI people
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: are in every society because part of the human experience
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: is having a decent hunk of people, who have different
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: sexual orientations and gender identities than the norm.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: You know, I watched a bad movie last night. I
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: watched an old bad movie last night. No, I watched
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: an old bad movie last night called The Mothman Prophecies
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: with Richard Gere. And when they were explaining the Mothman
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: and what he was, the guy said to him, they've
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: always been here. They've always existed. We just haven't noticed them.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: And they like it when we notice them. And I
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: know we're going to break, but it's sort of like
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: gay people. You know, it's like they've always been here.
• 28:50
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• 28:54
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• 28:54
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• 29:06
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• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Stream I Dance Because on all services. The song is very,
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: very personal to me, and the video now is very
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: touching to me. I cried the first time. Well, I
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: cry all the time, but I cried the first time
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: I saw it. We all have somebody, whether it's someone
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: that's passed from AIDS or some other thing, we all
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: have people that we danced with, and that's why we dance.
• 29:58
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  Speaker 4: are back with The Carell Show on this Thursday, September 17th.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: So glad you are joining us. It is This Gay
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: Week with Scott Jacobson from The Good Man Project, who
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: is in Kiev right now. And what I was trying
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: to explain with the Mothman Prophecy, I mean, I didn't
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: memorize the script by, well, actually, I It freaks out
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: my friends that I really can memorize a script by
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: just watching a movie once. But basically what this guy
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: was trying to explain to Richard Gere was, It wasn't
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: about a gerbil. But it was about the Mothman and saying,
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: he's like, well, you know, why can't we see them?
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: You know, they must not be real. We can't see them.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: And he says, well, you can't see electricity, but it's real.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: And you can't see sound, but it's certainly real. And
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: so he was equating the Mothman to electricity, to air,
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: to things that have always been a part of planet
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: Earth and always been here. that maybe we just didn't
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: notice or see or maybe we saw but didn't want
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: to believe, that sort of thing. And when I heard
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: that explanation, I said, doesn't that just speak to gay people?
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: People now run around saying, oh, it's unnatural. It's this,
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: it's that. When we know the converse of that is
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: completely true, that gays have always been here. There are
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: gays in animals, you know, penguins and elephants and giraffes.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: I mean, come on, look at a penguin. I mean,
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: come on, that's a gay little animal. And, you know, koalas, hello.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: But we've always been here. And so when these governments
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: go on this... It's unnatural. It's immoral. It's an aberration.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: It's like you stupid fucks. It's always been here. You
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: just didn't notice it. And here in America, now that
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: the number is shocking people, 18% of people under 40
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: identify as LGBTQ. I will say a majority of that
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: identifies as bi, not as gay or trans. But still, 18%,
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: it used to be 2% that identified. And some Republicans say, oh, look,
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: all these liberals, they're creating more gays. No, they're not.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: They're just making an environment where people are more comfortable
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: to say they are gay, lesbian, or bi. We're not
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: creating more. We just have people feeling more comfortable to
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: come forward. Well, we did or were now. All right, Scott,
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: you did send the story from the Council of Europe
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: from the Commission of Human Rights yesterday. about Turkey, saying
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: authorities should refrain from restricting the human rights of LGBTQ
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: civil society. And even the headline is about as absurd
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: as it gets, you know. Authorities should refrain from restricting
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: the human rights of other humans. Yeah, you think? So
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: we don't have to beleaguer that point, because we've already
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: talked about Turkey. And I've got to use beleaguer twice
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: in this show. So... But it is kind of dumb
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: that the world has to remind Turkey that gay people
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: shouldn't be harmed. That's pretty bizarre.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: Well, this is the whole thing. It's actually, the job
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: in fighting for this type of equality is very easy.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: A lot of the job is just reminder. They are citizens.
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: They have human rights. You don't have to agree with
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: what they do. It doesn't mean you get to restrict
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: their equality, which is what they're trying to do by
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: the state. I wanted to put on two points really quick.
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: to the earlier part about things have always been here
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: in other species, just as in the species. Let's say
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: you argue based on the fact that the species is
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: maybe 300,000 years old. The United States has, if I
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: did the math, 250 years old. So gay people are 1,200
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: times older than the United States in any type of
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: restrictive laws that might have existed. That's part one. Part two,
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: anyone who wants to find out where they sit on
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: these things, I think it's the Kinsey scale. There's probably
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: online tests that are reliable you can take. Find out
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: for yourself, you know? It's always good to have a
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: little bit of self-discovery.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I have, how do I say this? I've had
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: the Kinsey, we only have a minute here, but I've
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: had the Kinsey discussion with men that I've had sex with.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: There's no other way to put this. In the 80s,
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: before Andrew and everything, I had sex with a lot
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: of straight men. And afterwards, they would feel a little
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: awkward sometimes. And I would say, don't worry, honey. You're
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: just a three or a two or a four on
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: the Kinsey scale. And they're like, what do you mean?
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: And I go zero, completely and totally heterosexual beyond the
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: shadow of a doubt. Ten, me. And then everyone else,
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: somewhere in between. Because Kinsey maintained that there are very
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: few zeros and very few tens. That everybody falls between
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: one and nine, somewhere in between. And it's amazing when
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: you actually think about that. We'll be right back.
• 35:06
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• 35:20
  Speaker 4: You have to be proud with hatred. Hey everyone, it's Carell,
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: and I want to invite you to stream my new single,
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• 35:35
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• 35:38
  Speaker 4: MAGA to it. Do whatever you need to do to
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: remind yourself and others, we are stronger than ever, and
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: they can't have our pride. You have to be strong.
• 35:55
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• 35:59
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• 36:02
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• 36:06
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• 36:11
  Speaker 4: All right, we are back. And to put what we
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: were talking about in perspective, Kinsey was on to something
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: that as a society we now call fluid. you know,
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: fluid sexuality. Kinsey said, no one's totally, well, very few
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: people are totally heterosexual and very few people are totally gay.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: And by the way, I've slept with more women than
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: probably Scott. And, you know, the 80s were fun. And
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: that's really just sexual fluidity, that if given the chance,
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: Kinsey maintained that If you removed the societal rails that
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: were put on what gender meant and what sexuality meant,
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: if you were able to take those rails away, which
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: is why he did everything anonymously, if you were able
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: to take those rails away and get to the real
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: truth of the matter, you would find that sexuality is
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: not black or white, that it is on a scale.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: And nowadays we just call that fluid. fluid sexuality. I
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: dated a kid named Devin and I still see him.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: He was just here last weekend. We don't have sex anymore,
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: but we had fabulous sex back in the day. And
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: yet I told everyone he was straight and they're all, well,
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: he's not that straight. He's with you. And I said, no,
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: he's straight. It's just at the end of the day,
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: when all is said and done, he'll end up with
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: a woman. he's having fun with me and we're having
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: a great time, but ultimately he's heterosexual. And they were like,
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: oh no, he's bi, he's this, he's that. I go, no,
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: he is straight. He just is a higher number on
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: the Kinsey scale. He's like a four or a five
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: instead of a zero. You sent a story that interested
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: me so much because I've never even thought about it.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: So let's talk about it. A new publication reveals unequal
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: conditions for the LGBTQ. I don't know why they've dropped
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: the Q and now just do LGBTI. I didn't get
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: the memo. So whoever issues the gay memos should put
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: me on their CC list. But anyway, for people in
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: the Nordic regions and... I just don't think of Icelandic
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: gays or Greenlandic gays or the Faroe Islands. I just
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: don't see gay people living there, but they do. They
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: do live in these regions that we have pointed out.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: They're in every culture. And so I was interested because
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: I thought maybe Greenland would be very, very accepting of
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: gays or other Nordic nations would be more accepting since Hell,
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: half the time they can't even tell what's under the
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: parka anyway. So I really was interested in the article
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: about how gay people are treated in the Nordic regions.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: The first thing that I took from it was that
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: it's the same as everywhere in so much as even
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: in these regions, the trans people are particularly vulnerable to legislation,
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: to attacks, to discrimination. It seems that the trans community has,
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: that all the hatred towards the gay, not all, but
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: a lot of the hatred that was heaped on the
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: gay community, particularly gay men. because women don't count. And
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: that's the truth. In most societies, women do not count.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: So therefore, lesbianism is not even on the books. Yeah, exactly.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: But all the hatred that's heaped on gay men is
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: now kind of being transferred to the trans community, unfortunately.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: And it appears that that's the same in the Nordic nations.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: But there's other challenges for gay people in the Nordic nations.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: And what they found out was, like every group of countries,
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: some countries are better than others, for the most part,
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: when it comes to gay rights. Which was interesting to me.
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And same-sex marriage, still kind of new there. in
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: these areas, too. That was particularly surprising. I thought they were...
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: So Canada and the United States, frankly, were ahead of
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: the curve.
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: On this one.
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: The American curve was very.
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: Congratulations, by the way. You are Canadian. So congratulations. The
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: EU announced today that for the first time ever, a
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: country will be granted associate status in the EU. And
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: what that will mean for you, Scott Jacobson, is you'll
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: be able to live and work in Europe without a visa.
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: You'll be able to just go and work in Spain
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: or Italy or wherever you want.
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: Without a military media accreditation.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can just go.
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: I've been scanned by the military forces and the Secret
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: Service and labeled as safe.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: There's more than a few things I'd like to be
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: scanned by the military for. But, you know, some of
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: those Ukrainian soldiers are hot as fuck. Can I just say,
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: can I just go on record as saying Ukraine has
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: some fucking hot soldiers. I've seen photos and whoo. And
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: I really don't like, since I'm saying inappropriate things, my God,
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: when I see some of these men in Gaza, I
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: think I'll go rescue you, honey. I mean, oh my God,
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: Arab men.
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: Airdrop me.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, baby. I'll bring humanitarian supplies. It's such a hot topic.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: We talked about that at length yesterday.
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: Google Translate.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. We talked about Gaza yesterday on my show
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: Wednesday quite a bit because of Ed Sheeran. You heard
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: about the Ed Sheeran thing, right?
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: He's had some touring issues.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: Well, Macklemore was opening for him. Macklemore said free Palestine.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: He also said free Congo.
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: Which I just would have loved to have seen. Just
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: Macklemore and Ed Sheeran.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, they've been friends for 15 years.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why he's on the tour.
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: Okay, so this is.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they've been good friends for 15 years. Ed said,
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: come out on tour with me. And Mr. Kraft here
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: in the US, I just talked all about this yesterday
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: on the show. Mr. Kraft, who's in the Epstein files,
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: by the way, is best friends with Bibi Netanyahu and said,
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: you can't come to the stadium that I own if
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: Macklemore is opening for you because of his statements about Palestine,
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: saying free Palestine. And then Kraft called up three of
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: his billionaire friends who own the other seven stadiums, and
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: they all said, you can't come here. So eight stadiums
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: out of nine were telling you couldn't come if Macklemore opened.
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: Messina Touring, who is actually the promoter, caved and said, okay,
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: we'll take him off. Ed says that wasn't his decision. Ultimately,
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: as an artist, he could have said that I'm just
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: not going.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: But.
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: It's very scary that these billionaires got together and conspired
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: because they're Zionist and they decided that they're going to
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: censor a tour. So that was the drama going on
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: there with all of that. So lawyers have said private
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: messages cited as obscenity evidence against detained LGBTQI people. This
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: is an alarming story that you sent. It's from Bayonet.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: It doesn't have a byline. But 16 people were detained
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: in Izmir. I'm not sure where Izmir is.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Turkey.
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: Oh, again, Turkey. During their raids. And basically, let me
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: put this in a context for you all here. It's
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: as if the government went into their personal DMs or
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: text messages to gather evidence against them. So they invaded
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: their very private space to look at the messages and
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: see if they were queer messages, like gay messages or whatever.
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: Those groups will never trust the police again.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: No, because they obtained their phone passwords without a court
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: order and searched their phones. And that, I mean, the
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: illegality of that is just, you know, stellar. It says
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: the LGBTQ community is being criminalized in Turkey because of
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: their gender identity. The Izmir detentions were part of sweeping
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: raids conducted in the cities that we spoke of. Detention
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: orders were issued for 162 people. They got passwords or
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: face ID for their phones without warrants and went through
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: their private messages to gather evidence against them. And that's
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: just really sad. So again, it erodes the confidence level
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: between gays and authorities, the authorities who are supposed to
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: protect gays as well as everybody else. It erodes that trust.
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: I don't trust cops. As a gay man, I've been stopped, targeted, harassed,
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: pulled over when leaving a gay bar countless times, detained
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: for hours for no reason whatsoever and never arrested. And
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: in Garden Grove, California, the cops took pictures of people leaving.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: And when the gay bar owners took those cops to court,
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: their defense was, we don't have film in the camera.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: And so they were actually just using it as intimidation.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: The judge sided with the gay bar owners, FYI.
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: Young white Slavic men. No, young white Slavic men. The
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: ones who, I'm assuming, wanted to fill those condoms with
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: poo years ago and throw them at the Pride march.
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: As far as I can tell or was told, they basically,
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: during Pride march, others of them would take photos of
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: participants in Pride. And then they would share those images
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: on Telegram, and they would use those to, if they
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: could identify them in the street well after Pride, later
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: in the year, harass them.
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: Well, and that's why nowadays, and I hate to say this,
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: I can't believe I'm saying this in 2020. Oh, yes,
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: I can, actually. if you're a queer nowadays, you got
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: to be careful on social media. You do. And we
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: covered that story last week. Remember it said, don't give
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: too much away on social media. Like, you know, don't
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: necessarily give your location away. Don't, you know, I mean,
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: if you're gay now, you got to kind of be
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: careful on social media because just like they did there
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: at that pride festival where they're using the photos later
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: on to identify you, um, There are groups of people
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: that are going on social media, finding the queers, and
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: then going and targeting them. So you don't want to
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: give too much.
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: And this is known. The question is not who they're targeting.
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: It's who is doing the targeting. And I think women
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: are much aware of this, too. And younger women on
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: social media, they are much more aware. careful and alert
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: to this stuff because they tend to be targets of violence.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: What a great point. Gay men need to start behaving
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: like straight white women. In other words, we really need to.
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: Well, straight women generally.
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we really need to be on guard about our
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: privacy and about who's following us around or, you know,
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: if we get uneasy about someone. I assume that Kharkiv
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: is in Ukraine, correct? Yes.
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: Frontline city, eastern.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: So in a frontline eastern city, about 50 people got
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: together and held a gay pride event.
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and the report comes from the Union of Orthodox Journalists.
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: They're not exactly a progressive group.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: No, they're not.
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: But they were reporting on this. But the counter-protest was there,
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: which is fine. That is a legal right. There was
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: no violence, as far as I'm aware.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you have to love how the gays started.
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: They were like mole people. They started underground at the
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: metro station. And then they emerged. And it even says
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: participants then came to the surface. It's so funny, the verbiage.
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: You go down for like a couple of minutes. You
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: go down an escalator for a couple of minutes, and
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: then you take the metro. It's deep underground.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: So we're not understanding here exactly how far underground it is.
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: It's not like the New York Metro where you're there.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: But I love the verbiage from the Union of Orthodox Journalists.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: The event began underground and then participants came to the surface.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: It's like we're cicadas after 17 years emerging.
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly it. It's like the time machine, that
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: movie where they come out of the ground and they
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: drag people down.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: I love that movie. That was better than Mothman Prophecies.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: I should have watched that.
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: Time Machine, fantastic movie. Still great. I remember the moon
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: splitting scene. Everything about that movie was great.
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: Oh, it's great. I love that. I absolutely love that movie.
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: It was fundamentally a philosophical movie, I think.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: Yes, actually. A lot of science fiction is, however. Nearby
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: activist from Prava Malad held a protest against the gay pride.
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: March.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: The two groups were separated by substantial police cordons with
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: dozens of police buses deployed at the scene. The standoff
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: ended without incident. It might be interesting to note there
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: were more police at the event than there were gay people.
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: So.
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: I should have gone. It's a half-day trip, maybe.
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: Yes, you should have, and marched with the gays, and
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: covered it, and been there with the camera. So, a
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: high-ranking Russian official, I can say talking about Russia, but
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: a high-ranking Russian official at the IAEA was suspended over
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: a book containing attacks against on the LGBTQ community. Now,
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: the IAEA is the International Atomic Energy Agency, and they
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: have suspended Mikhail Chudakov, the agency deputy director and one
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: of the highest ranking Russians in the UN system from
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: his duties because the reason was an ethics investigation stemming
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: from a book he wrote under a pseudonym. The book
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: in question is a 76-page Trieste on Life, which is
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: more of an essay, really. Published in 2025, in the book,
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: he refers to feminists as hysterical fanatics and used derogatory
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: terms for gay men and lesbians. He described same-sex relationships
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: as sinful deviations and their influence on young gay people
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: as poison. It caught their attention after Chudakov presented it
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: at a meeting on the UN Young Nuclear Generation in Vienna. Subsequently,
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: representatives of the youth group handed the book over to
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: the agency's heads of ethics and said what they thought.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: In the book, the author also opposes feminist movements, claims
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: that women have more rights.
• 51:11
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• 51:32
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• 51:48
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• 52:02
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• 52:05
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• 52:07
  Speaker 4: Gay Week. According to IAEA rules, agency staff must avoid discrimination,
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: maintain a safe work environment, and uphold neutrality and professional standards.
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: The publication of books also requires approval from headquarters if
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: they address sensitive topics. Former U.S. ambassador to the IAEA,
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: Laura Holgate, called the publication and distribution highly inappropriate, which
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: is shocking, emphasizing that its content does not meet the
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: requirements of neutrality and professionalism. Can I just say this
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: group would have had a fit if they ever listened
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: to Rush Limbaugh. Do you know who Rush Limbaugh is?
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: I remember when he died. So do I. And I
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: don't think there was a lot of mourning on the
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: gay society.
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: Rush Limbaugh used to ring a bell every time someone
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: died of AIDS oh yeah oh yeah Rush Limbaugh was
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: on the same radio station as Andrew and I he
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: was 9 to noon Dr. Laura was noon to 3
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: and then the gay guys from 3 to 7 so
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: Bill Handel 5am to 9am Rush Limbaugh 9 to noon Dr.
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: Laura noon to 3 and then two queers that are
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: married We had more viewers. I will say that Rush
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: sent me flowers when Andrew died. And so did Dr. Laura.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: I put them on the toilet for the guests to
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: pee and look at the flowers. And I will say
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: that when I met Rush, a lot of what I
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: was told about him was true, which is that it's
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: all stick. He doesn't believe it. It's not the way
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: he really feels. He just does it because it's profitable.
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: I did not excuse him for it. When I met him,
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: I told him what a despicable human being he was
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: and that I hope he choked on his cigar. We
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: had quite an impassioned debate about his tactics on air
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: and the ringing of a bell when gay people died.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: He goes, well, isn't that when a fairy gets its wings?
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: And that's why I ring the bell. Another fairy has
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: gotten its wings. And You know, when you're sitting there
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: with your partner who has HIV, yeah, it was a problem.
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: So I'm just saying that in reference to this story,
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: what that guy wrote is tame compared to what Rush
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: Limbaugh got away with on public radio in this country.
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: But he wasn't in an atomic energy commission at the UN.
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: He was on talk show. All right, we've only got
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: a couple more minutes in the show, about five minutes.
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: Guyana Together campaign marks three years of efforts to reduce
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: stigma and prejudice against the gay community in Guyana. So far,
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: the movement has benefited in support from 250 organizational endorsers
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: who have pledged support for the campaign. They call themselves Guyanese,
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: by the way. And the Guyanese Organization of Indigenous People
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: also share that reaching 250 organizations endorsing Guyana Together shows
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: that people from every part of Guyana can stand together
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: for a fairer country. Encouraging story, is it not?
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: Naturally encouraging story. That's a one-off. This is great.
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: It is great. And the story goes on to talk
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: about how there is overwhelming support for of these agencies
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: across Guyanese society with the latest poll showing a 54, 53.9,
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: 54% majority of Guyanese support to repeal the colonial era
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: laws criminalizing same-sex intimacy and 72% of Guyanese people support
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: workplace protections for LGBTQ people. Interesting word there, colonization. A
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: lot of these countries that we talk about, their anti-gay activities,
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: they get away with it because of laws established by
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: the British when they colonized their countries in the 1800s.
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: And they haven't updated their laws since the 1800s. So
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: it's very interesting that Britain and its colonialization of the
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: world still have is detrimental to gay people everywhere. It's
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: just amazing to me. And now Britain leads the way
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: in LGBTQ rights. So it's amazing that a country that
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: is so pro-LGBTQ now, at least for the most part,
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: was actually a country that is responsible for a lot
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: of the gay hatred around the country from its colonial
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: era laws.
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think this is great. It's another indication,
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: just a reminder of that we can always do better.
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: And these are very simple asks. These are not, these
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: are not, these are not special pleading. These are not
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: special privileges. This is just, I always tell.
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: That to everyone. I always say that to every person.
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: I'm like, y'all think that gay wants special rights. We
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: don't want any, I don't want any special right. I
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: don't want a whole separate rule book for gays. Just
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: put me in the same tent as y'all. Give me
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: the same rights as everybody else. Let me buy a
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: cake wherever I want to buy a cake. Let me,
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: you know, let me check into a hotel and sleep
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: with my partner. Because you realize when Andrew and I
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: used to travel across the country in the late 90s
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: or even mid 90s or late 80s, I met Andrew
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: in 19, let's see, he died in 2001. That was
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: our 11th year. So basically 90, 89, 90 is when
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: I met him. And in 91, 92, when we would
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: travel across the country in the United States, some hotels
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: would insist on giving us two double beds. They would
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: not give us just one bed. And I'm not making
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: that up.
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: It's just little fuckery like that. It ruins even the
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: most subtle private moments of the most important parts of life,
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: which have to do with love.
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: And by the way, he would try to sleep in
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: the other bed because he would say, well, I might
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: as well have more room. And I'd be, fuck that.
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: You come over here. We are a couple. And he goes, well,
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: there's an empty bed over there. And I'm like, I
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: don't care.
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: Well, the fact that you had a sense of humor
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: about it was nice. But for some other people, it
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: probably stung a little, I'm sure.
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: A couple of times we pushed the beds together if
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: they moved. So we made a king-size bed.
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: Oh, that's good, actually.
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. So we made a king-size bed. All right,
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: in Australia, they're doing the same thing Canada did, which
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: is they're saying, we are so fucking sorry. It's amazing
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: how much apology. There should be a gay apology tour.
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: The world needs to apologize to the gay, starting with
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: the Catholics. Australian police say sorry for harsh gay Mardi
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: Gras treatment in 1978. Now, Sydney's Mardi Gras has been
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: going on since 1978. That was the first ever gay
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: rights march there. It's world renowned now, by the way,
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: and Sydney welcomes it.
• 59:10
  Speaker 6: It.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: The people of Australia welcome it. They love the gay
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: Mardi Gras. Kylie Minogue, you know, performs at it. It's
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: a big deal.
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: That's going to have her in a while.
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh, she's hugely famous in the gay. She just
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: did a new album. The gays love Kylie. She just
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: did a song with Madonna. Hello, Kylie. And that was... Oh,
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: every gay man fell down and wet their pants when
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: they released the Kylie-Madonna collaboration. So back in 1978, when
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: the first gay march happened in Australia, the police were
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: less than calm. They arrested protesters. They often beat them.
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: And this is kind of their stonewall. Are we done?
• 59:48
  Speaker 6: No.
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: I'm not doing that. Yours.
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  Speaker 4: I hate when it creeps up on me. I hate
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  Speaker 4: when it creeps up on me. But we are at
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  Speaker 4: the end of the show. But this was kind of
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  Speaker 4: like their gay Stonewall. 53 people were arrested. There were
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  Speaker 4: violent clashes between activists and police. So our Stonewall was
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  Speaker 4: in 1969. Theirs was nine years later in 1978. It
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  Speaker 4: was a Saturday night in 1978. There were violent clashes.
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  Speaker 4: At that time, homosexuality was illegal in the Australian state
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  Speaker 4: of New South Wales, where it stayed illegal until 1984.
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  Speaker 4: So the Australian government and the police in general, the
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  Speaker 4: Australian police, not the government, but the police are actually
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  Speaker 4: issuing a statement of apology for their behavior back in 1978.
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  Speaker 4: And I say better late than never.
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  Speaker 5: And there's three really key issues everyone can ask and
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  Speaker 5: therefore put pressure on their local police force or their
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  Speaker 5: state on from this. One, is it legal? It is
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  Speaker 5: legally prejudiced, but generally speaking, is it a legal action
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  Speaker 5: by representatives of the state, the police, for instance? Secondly,
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  Speaker 5: is it necessary? First one depends on the country, but
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  Speaker 5: the second one, In every single case, with regards to
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  Speaker 5: human rights abuse, I think it's unnecessary to do this
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  Speaker 5: to gay men, lesbian women, et cetera. And the third
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  Speaker 5: one is proportional. So even if it's necessary, someone who
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  Speaker 5: is LGBTQI +, being belligerent in some way, and it's
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  Speaker 5: legal to do some enforcement action against this individual or group,
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  Speaker 5: is it proportional? And a lot of the stuff is
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  Speaker 5: neither legal nor necessary, nor proportional.
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  Speaker 4: Boy, you just described the Israeli crisis, or the Iranian,
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  Speaker 4: or I'm sorry, the Gazan crisis right there. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you know, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Well, there's a lot of cases like that.
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  Speaker 4: You know, yeah, Hamas did attack, you know, Israel, and
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  Speaker 4: they had every right to defend themselves and respond, but
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  Speaker 4: is that a proportionate response? I will say that the
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  Speaker 4: police officer in New South Wales, this is where this
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  Speaker 4: is all going on, by the way, New South Wales,
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  Speaker 4: made a statement that said, today's force is a very
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  Speaker 4: different organization. We are diverse and we are proud of
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  Speaker 4: that diversity. We apologize for the actions of our entire
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  Speaker 4: department during the 1978 Mardi Gras, and we will use
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  Speaker 4: it as an example to continue to be better. The
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  Speaker 4: formal apology follows one made by the newspaper, the Sydney
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  Speaker 4: Morning Herald, on February 24th, because they published the full names, addresses,
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  Speaker 4: and occupations of the people arrested in the 1978 melee. Oh, no. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: The Sydney Morning Herald, after the arrests were made in 1978,
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  Speaker 4: they published the full name, the address, and occupation. Many
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  Speaker 4: people lost their jobs. Many people had violence committed against them,
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  Speaker 4: lost their jobs, or had to move. Members of Parliament
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  Speaker 4: also made apologies on behalf of the state's government. Many
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  Speaker 4: of the 500 original demonstrators, known as the 78ers, are
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  Speaker 4: still alive and were in attendance for these apologies. That's
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  Speaker 4: really nice. That is. When asked, they said that this
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  Speaker 4: is a great start. We appreciate this. It's a long
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  Speaker 4: time coming, but they did a lot of irreparable damage,
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  Speaker 4: and we need to make sure it never happens again.
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  Speaker 5: Their points are both extremely valid.
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  Speaker 4: You know they used to do that here in America.
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  Speaker 4: If you got arrested in a tea room, do you
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  Speaker 4: know what a tea room is?
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 4: A public bathroom where you have gay sex. There's great
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  Speaker 4: books about tea rooms and the importance of tea rooms
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  Speaker 4: in gay culture in the 1920s, 1930s. Is this where.
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  Speaker 5: The phrase spill the tea comes from as well?
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know. No, tea rooms were very, there's many
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  Speaker 4: movies and books about them. You really should do some
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  Speaker 4: research because you'd be very interested in how they fit
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  Speaker 4: into gay culture. There were no gay bars. There was
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  Speaker 4: no place for gay men to meet. So they met
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  Speaker 4: at the bathroom in public parks and they were called
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  Speaker 4: tea rooms. And back in the day, in the 70s
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  Speaker 4: and the 80s, when you were arrested in a bathroom
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  Speaker 4: for lewd conduct, the newspaper printed your name and your photo.
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  Speaker 4: it was really just a public shaming. And the statistic
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  Speaker 4: is 80% of those arrested in tea rooms are actually
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  Speaker 4: identify as heterosexual. So it was a way to extort
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  Speaker 4: them and get money from them because the fine is $ 2, 100 for,
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  Speaker 4: you could pay the fine and not go to court.
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  Speaker 4: You could fight it in court and have more than
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  Speaker 4: 50% of the men that fought the convictions won, uh,
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  Speaker 4: Because the cop used entrapment, like George Michael said. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, when George Michael got arrested at Will Rogers
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  Speaker 4: State Park in California, he made it clear on talk
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  Speaker 4: shows that the cop totally, you know, exposed himself, showed
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  Speaker 4: him his dick, played with George Michael's penis. And so
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  Speaker 4: George had no idea that this guy was a cop
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  Speaker 4: because they literally had sex, basically. And then afterwards, the
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  Speaker 4: cop arrested him. I said, well, he just wanted to
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  Speaker 4: say he had sex with George Michael. That's why he
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  Speaker 4: did that. All right. That brings us to the end
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  Speaker 4: of this gay week. You're going to stay safe in
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  Speaker 4: the Ukraine because we need you. The world is a
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  Speaker 4: better place with you in it, so please stay that way.
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  Speaker 4: And we will be back next week with more stories.
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  Speaker 4: Not all of them bad, even like this week. Not
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  Speaker 4: all of them bad. We ended on two great stories
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  Speaker 4: where Guyanese people are accepting and where Australians are apologizing.
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  Speaker 4: So those are good things to end with. Thank you,
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  Speaker 4: as always, Scott, for joining us this week on This
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  Speaker 4: Gay Week. I am Corral. You're so timid. I am Corral.
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  Speaker 4: I'll do this one full frame. I am Corral. Be
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  Speaker 4: who you want to be. We will see you on Monday.
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  Speaker 4: I am off on Fridays. Have an absolutely great weekend.