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Whammon vs women! | HBR Talk 321 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: We're talking about we're talking about women versus women, while
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  Speaker 2: and welcome to Women Versus Women. I'm Hannah Willen here
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  Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna I'm not gonna stay into that.
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  Speaker 2: We got this to talk about. We stopped last time
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  Speaker 2: at the title for the next, uh sort of chapter
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  Speaker 2: of this paper, why Progressive Women Opposed Suffrage, So just
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  Speaker 2: to to recap our previous episodes since like we've been
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  Speaker 2: on and off track, you know, over over time with this,
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  Speaker 2: like We've been talking for a few months about the
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  Speaker 2: evolution of suffrage, the right of suffrage in general under
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  Speaker 2: in English common law and in the countries that their
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  Speaker 2: their legal systems are influenced by English common law because
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  Speaker 2: they were colonies first of England or of the UK,
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  Speaker 2: and of course the United States is one of those.
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  Speaker 2: And we established right that that in the English parliamentary system,
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  Speaker 2: voting evolved out of a situation where the men who
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  Speaker 2: were expected to fund the government with their taxes and
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  Speaker 2: to defend the the cohesiveness of the leadership and the
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  Speaker 2: nation with their blood, called on the carpet the leadership
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  Speaker 2: for acting and demanding their support, their their taxation or
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  Speaker 2: their their contributions, because they didn't call it taxes at
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  Speaker 2: the time, and uh, both in money and blood, without
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  Speaker 2: giving them the right of common council, without consulting them.
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  Speaker 2: Basically so for war mongering and taxation without representation right,
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  Speaker 2: and they went to war over it. The barons went
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  Speaker 2: to war with the king twice because didn't get it
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  Speaker 2: the first time. Well, different king the second time. But
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  Speaker 2: in any case, that was men, And for eight hundred
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  Speaker 2: years men have defended that balance, the idea that your
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  Speaker 2: government cannot engage in taxation and war mongering that relies
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  Speaker 2: on you, the citizen, supplying the money and the blood,
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  Speaker 2: without you, the citizen, having a say and who's going
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  Speaker 2: to be the leader and what decisions you're going to
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  Speaker 2: accept from that leader, And all of a sudden, right
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  Speaker 2: in the twentieth century, women get in on it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, income tax tax came in before that. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of the stories people tell start with income tax. And
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  Speaker 1: I believe income tax was something to do with the
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  Speaker 1: Napoleonic Wars, which were called the Great War at the time,
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  Speaker 1: and they said we need to bring in this for that.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. All all of these taxes were
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  Speaker 1: proto taxes before that. It's just the main bulk of
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  Speaker 1: the story begins with income tax. But no one there
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  Speaker 1: was never any wars about income tax. His income tax
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  Speaker 1: was brought in because of a pre existing more, namely
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  Speaker 1: the Napoleoning was I think, correct me if I'm wrong,
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  Speaker 1: but I think that's what happened. And nobody protested against
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  Speaker 1: the income tax. In Britain, people protested against the poll tax,
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  Speaker 1: which Thatcher tried to bring in in nineteen it or something,
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  Speaker 1: and it it marked the end of her career. There
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  Speaker 1: was there was so much backlash that she was like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm very sorry, I'm going to have to resign now
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  Speaker 1: after three terms because the poll tax was such a disaster.
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  Speaker 1: And this has happened with so many other kinds of
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  Speaker 1: taxes in the last as Hannah said, eight hundred years,
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  Speaker 1: but it didn't happen with income tax. For some reason.
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  Speaker 1: People just rolled over and took it and they were just, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: of course if we if we earn money, we should
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  Speaker 1: we should give some of it to the government. That
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  Speaker 1: makes perfect sense because of the wars they need to
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  Speaker 1: fight well.
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  Speaker 2: And you have to remember, prior to the concept of
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  Speaker 2: income tax, there was with with the medieval government system. Right,
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  Speaker 2: the barons sent their knights or they sent money so
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  Speaker 2: that the king could hire mercenary and that's basically what
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  Speaker 2: I'm calling a prototax, because that was literally funding the
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  Speaker 2: king's military with your earnings. And it wasn't everybody didn't
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  Speaker 2: do that, right, the barons did that. That's why the
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  Speaker 2: barons had their two wars, because they had kings who
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  Speaker 2: were using that system to fund wars that the barons
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  Speaker 2: thought were not right or not worth funding, and they
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  Speaker 2: didn't listen to the barons, So the barons decided to
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  Speaker 2: make themselves heard a little bloodier and a little louder, right,
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  Speaker 2: And that's basically that's basically how the concept of you know,
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  Speaker 2: the concept of parliamentary government came out of the Second
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  Speaker 2: Baron's War, and it evolved out of that concept of
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  Speaker 2: common Council, the right of the people who were funding
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  Speaker 2: the government with blood and money to have a say
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  Speaker 2: in their government. And in terms of if you look
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  Speaker 2: at the history of that, that has always been a
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  Speaker 2: male obligation. There have been times in history, in British history,
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  Speaker 2: in British colonial history, in international history post British colonial history,
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  Speaker 2: there have been times when women have had a say
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  Speaker 2: in it. There been times when women have been invested
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  Speaker 2: in having a say in it. But there's never been
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  Speaker 2: a time when women have had the same investment as men. Right,
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  Speaker 2: There's never been a time when women have been expected
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  Speaker 2: to go and fight and die in wars, even when
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  Speaker 2: women started paying taxes. And it's not the same to
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  Speaker 2: lose the people you love as to be the one
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  Speaker 2: who might die. You lose the people you love, it
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  Speaker 2: hurts and it makes your life harder, especially if you
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  Speaker 2: depend it on them for anything, right, But you live
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  Speaker 2: on and you have a chance to recover from that.
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  Speaker 2: You don't usually recover from being dead. It's kind of
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  Speaker 2: weird when you do. People get upset and run around
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  Speaker 2: sticking wooden steaks in your chest. So it's not a thing, right,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, except for medical weirdness like has happened to me,
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  Speaker 2: it's really not a thing. And it certainly wasn't a
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  Speaker 2: thing back in the day. So yeah, it's it's a
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  Speaker 2: completely different evolution. Women come along in the nineteenth century
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  Speaker 2: really and started fighting for it. And it's not that
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  Speaker 2: women had voting rights historically. It's not that women did
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  Speaker 2: not have voting right. Is that women didn't as frequently
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  Speaker 2: do what it took to meet the criteria to exercise
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  Speaker 2: voting rights.
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  Speaker 1: The only thing women were ever expected to invest in
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  Speaker 1: was men and their families, I guess, but to some
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  Speaker 1: degree also men. The government as long as it existed
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  Speaker 1: was I was like, you, lady, you ladies don't have
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  Speaker 1: to pay taxes, you don't you don't have to fight
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  Speaker 1: in any of these bloody wars, and you don't even
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  Speaker 1: have to get married. But we're just saying it's in
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  Speaker 1: your financial interests. If you do pair up with a
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  Speaker 1: man like you've been doing for millions of years, If
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  Speaker 1: you could just keep doing the thing you've always done
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  Speaker 1: and have an iota of confidence in the in the
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  Speaker 1: other half of the human species, that's all you need
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  Speaker 1: to do. Just just stand by your man and stuff
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  Speaker 1: like that. But that wasn't you know? They still went, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: we're outstanding by men. That's us being oppressed. But we
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  Speaker 1: will happily go ahead and stand by the government because
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  Speaker 1: the government is better than men. Have I nut shelled
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  Speaker 1: it enough.
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  Speaker 2: For you, you know, it's funny about it, all right?
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  Speaker 2: Today we hear from communists that the things that they
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  Speaker 2: are trying to impose on people in the name of politeness.
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  Speaker 2: In the name of politeness, you have to accept compelled speech. Right,
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  Speaker 2: in the name of politeness, you have to give up
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  Speaker 2: your family boundaries and your right to determine the influences
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  Speaker 2: to which your child is exposed. In the name of politeness,
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  Speaker 2: you have to give up your personal boundaries, and you're
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  Speaker 2: not allowed to have sexual preferences because that's you know,
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  Speaker 2: that's an infection of isms and fob is. How dare
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  Speaker 2: you right? They're calling that a social contract when it
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  Speaker 2: is imposed through shaming and other forms of social pressure,
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  Speaker 2: legal pressures, protests, violence, and everything social contract. But they
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  Speaker 2: don't like the idea that the pattern throughout history wherein
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  Speaker 2: men provided a home and resources and protection for women
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  Speaker 2: and in return women provided men with care, companionship, and consideration,
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  Speaker 2: which is pretty fucking easy in comparison, right, they don't
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  Speaker 2: like the idea that that was also a social contract. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 2: it's interesting how that works. At least it's interesting to me.
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  Speaker 2: We got some superchows. Meredith g gave us five dollars
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  Speaker 2: and said, HBr talked three to twenty one, honey, honey
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  Speaker 2: of the badgers. There is something I've observed about first
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  Speaker 2: wave feminism. As much as it was about female supremacy,
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  Speaker 2: it was also a means of women competing for power
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  Speaker 2: with each other, and we have all paid for it
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  Speaker 2: very much.
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Richard Bierre gave us five dollars and said you
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  Speaker 2: might want to look up just when the tax on
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  Speaker 2: all telephone lines to pay for the Spanish American War
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  Speaker 2: was finally repealed. Yeah, that took some time. Also, did
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  Speaker 2: the barons have more voting power by having a land
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  Speaker 2: with more peasants and nights than another less populated land track. Originally. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: so you remember, as we've gone through and discussed this,
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  Speaker 2: we we've we've gone from King Richard all the way
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  Speaker 2: up through British history, the evolution of voting in British history.
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  Speaker 2: So we looked, we looked at centuries of changes to
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  Speaker 2: the vote. Now, granted there were there were a few
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  Speaker 2: centuries were very little changed, and then there were some
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  Speaker 2: centuries where there were sudden changes. But from from the
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  Speaker 2: time that voting was kind of an invented or introduced,
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  Speaker 2: because it really wasn't invented by any of the Brits.
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  Speaker 2: That was invented, if I understand correctly, by the Greeks.
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  Speaker 2: But where voting was introduced into British common law, from
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  Speaker 2: that time until I want to say, the nineteenth century,
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  Speaker 2: less than four percent of the population could vote. And
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  Speaker 2: Wells did make a difference. In fact, one of the
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  Speaker 2: historical documents that we found, or rather writings about a
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  Speaker 2: historical document that that we found, indicated that people could
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  Speaker 2: get multiple votes based on their their income, their ability
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  Speaker 2: to pay a poll tax, and and so on. Under
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  Speaker 2: the forty shilling franchise in in I want to say
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  Speaker 2: pre Victorian, so that would be Elizabethan, right, Elizabethan times.
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  Speaker 2: My brain is like going back through it's it's it
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  Speaker 2: might have been later than that, but I want to
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  Speaker 2: say it was during a queen's reign. It might have been,
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  Speaker 2: it might have been during a king's reign, and I'm wrong,
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  Speaker 2: but so don't hold me to that. An any case,
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  Speaker 2: there was one woman that they noted in the article
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  Speaker 2: voted four times because she was able to pay the
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  Speaker 2: fee to do so, and that that was normal from
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  Speaker 2: the time that the concept of like sort of the
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  Speaker 2: first proto vote was introduced to up until they introduced
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  Speaker 2: universal voting. So and Jen Bottle, I'm really not sure.
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  Speaker 2: I'd have to go back and look at my notes,
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  Speaker 2: which are kind of there's a lot, so it would
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  Speaker 2: take I'd be sitting there sorting through notes for a while.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm not going to try to make a proclamation
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  Speaker 2: as to exactly when it happened. You'll have to go
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  Speaker 2: back and listen to the shows, because we did talk
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  Speaker 2: about that. We talked about that when we read through
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  Speaker 2: the article on the There was a poll registry that
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  Speaker 2: was found just a few years ago, just sometime in
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  Speaker 2: the last ten years. That proved that women voted prior
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  Speaker 2: to the Great Reform Act, and what got the Suffragette
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  Speaker 2: movement started in the UK was the Reform Act that
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  Speaker 2: specified men. It didn't prevent women from voting, it just
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  Speaker 2: made it more of a rarity than it already was.
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  Speaker 2: So that's sort of our history, and the same is
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  Speaker 2: true in the United States, right like New Jersey. When
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  Speaker 2: New Jersey became a state, anybody that was present in
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  Speaker 2: New Jersey during an election could vote, and the New
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  Speaker 2: Jersey went through a lot of changes there. Wyoming entered
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  Speaker 2: the United States with female voting intact, and there were
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  Speaker 2: a few others that became states with women voting intact.
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  Speaker 2: And of course the history of women voting in the
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  Speaker 2: United States is very much not cut and dried. So
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  Speaker 2: there were definitely things that feminists have told us about
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  Speaker 2: women's voting rights that are just not true. There were
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  Speaker 2: states where voting was male only, and there were states
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  Speaker 2: where voting was based on property ownership and taxation and
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  Speaker 2: stuff like that. And then there were states where voting
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  Speaker 2: was very different from those other states where you could
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  Speaker 2: vote if you were female. So there wasn't a consistent
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  Speaker 2: standard across the country until the twentieth century. Really, in fact,
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  Speaker 2: there wasn't a consistent standard across the country until a
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  Speaker 2: time period later than the time period we're talking about
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  Speaker 2: right now. So, even at this point where women are
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  Speaker 2: agitating for the vote and other women are saying, no,
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  Speaker 2: we don't want it, we don't want it, at that moment,
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  Speaker 2: there was not a consistent standard across the country for
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  Speaker 2: who could vote and who could not vote. So why
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  Speaker 2: progressive women opposed suffrage. The disagreement between suffragists and antis
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  Speaker 2: had so little to do with progressive versus conservative social agendas.
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  Speaker 2: Women in both groups wanted a better world for the
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: next generation, better schools, more libraries and parks, safe food supply,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: and an end to child labor. Women wanted an end
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: to child labor, and I suspect that part of the
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: reason women wanted an end to child labor was because
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: children competed with women for jobs. Because prior to the
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: industrial age, child labor was just if your father was
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: a baker. When you got old enough to do tasks
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: consistently and be trustworthy doing tasks, and where your parents
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: didn't have to worry that you were gonna hurt yourself
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: or the business you became part of the family business.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: If your father was a farmer, you learned animal husbandry
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: and you learned how to grow plants for food. And
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: if your father was dirt poor, he sent you to
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: somebody else's business to learn how to do that business
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: so that when you grew up you could make a
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: better life for yourself, because he didn't want you to
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: be trapped in that poverty. And it was usually the
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: father's decision. And in the Industrial Age it changed because
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: of factories and because of mining, and that that change
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: pretty much put children in workplaces that were more visibly harsh,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: because everything was harsh prior to the Industrial Age. It
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: was universally dangerous and scary, and it was it was
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: not something where like if you were under certain income
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: level you still had opportunities to get out of that.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: You pretty much had very limited prospects and you picked
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: something that was going to be rough on your body,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: and you were probably not going to live to be
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: as old as wealthy people might.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: But in the Industrial Age, you had whole families go
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: to work for mining companies, or you had whole whole
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: families go to work for manufacturing companies, so you had
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: more competition for a paycheck as opposed to families cooperating
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: for a business that brought money in for the whole family.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, women were competing with other
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: people's kids for jobs, and women were not considered necessarily
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: to be able to do the same jobs that men
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: could do. There were the harshest and most dangerous things
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: were still reserved for adult men, accept in circumstances where
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: they needed somebody who was small in order to fit
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: into a location or in order to manipulate something that
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: took small hands, things like that, and then women and
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: children would end up in competition because women are smaller
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: than men. So I think that the female into the
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: labor movement wanted kids out of the workplace because that
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: would make it easier for women to a get jobs
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: and b demand more pay. And they did the first
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: thing really well, the second thing not so much. But
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: that's for a whole other series, because the evolution of
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: equal pay didn't necessarily take the same path of it's
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: like people to believe either, so in any case, but
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: but back to this, Yeah, women wanted wanted more amenities
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: because up until you know, more recent centuries, there wasn't
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: such a thing as a public education system. You learned
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: to read by reading the Bible with your parents in
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: your home if they knew how to read, and if
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: they didn't, you didn't learn unless you were rich, and
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: then your family would hire tutors and you'd learn four
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: languages and then not become an interpreter if you were
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: a woman. But yeah, their disagreement was not about goals,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: but rather about the best way to achieve them. Nor
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: were the anties opposed to all changes in women's status,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: just those it would force women to adopt men's clumsy
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: political methods, as the Anties called them. Some progressive women
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: who took the anti side were the muckraker journalist Ida Tarbell,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: although she never joined an anti organization. Carolyn Corbin of Illinois,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: who co founded the Association for the Advancement of Women
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: and became the president of the Illinois Anties. Agnes Irwin,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: the first dean of Radcliffe College, Missus J. B. Lippincott,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: who promoted scholarships for women and became a leader of
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: the Los Angeles Anties. Missus Gilbert E. Jones of the
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: National League for the Civic Education of women, Jane Crawley,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: founder of Curosis, and I'm sure that everybody listening that's
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: spelled s RSIs not and it's not about liver disease
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: in any case. And the president of the New New
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: York Women's Press Club, writer Jeanette Guilder, Mary missus George A. Caswell,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: because remember a lot of women back then still acted
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: in their husband's names. And Annahead, who founded girls' schools
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: in California and became leaders of the state's anti associations.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: And Annie nathan Meyer, who helped found Bernard College for
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Women in New York and remained an anti until her
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: death in nineteen fifty one. Remember we're told that there
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: was no education system for girls, right but apparently women
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: were educating girls right along. Scholarly books have been published
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: since nineteen ninety on women anti suffragists, but even these
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: specialized books do not completely explain their motivations, and Benjamin
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: discussed all of the antis reasons as inane, while Thomas
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Jablonski similarly called their arguments a complex set of rationalizations
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: because they've got to characterize them right in order to
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: they got to characterize them negatively in order to poison
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: the waters, poison the well, so that you don't think
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: maybe you should consider their ideas.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: So sometimes rationalization is considered a negative process, and sometimes
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: it's considered positive. I mean, being rational is considered positive,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: but rationalizing things is considered negatives. And that's an important
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: point to try and pin down, because not everything can
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: be solved by rationalization. We are not a rational species.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: We are animals, we are apes, we are primates. Not
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: everything we think of is rational. A lot of it
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: is defined by our evolution. I dare say most of
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: it is defined by our evolution, and so attempting to
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: explain it with purely rational methods it's not going to
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: work because it's not a purely rational series of decisions.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: It's a series of decisions that promotes the continuing existence
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: of the species. And yeah, there's an argument to be
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: to be had over whether if these instinctive intuitions it
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: should should be at the forefront of our decision making,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: or whether it should be rationalism. And I'm reluctant to
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: call it anism, but it's difficult not to because rationalism
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: is a human invention. Logic is a human invention. I
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: know that's hard for some people to wrap their heads around. Surely,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: logic is inherently ingrained into the universe. No, it's not.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Logic is something invented by humans, just like any religion
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: is something invented by humans. It's like mathematics and science,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: these are all systems invented by humans to try and
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: help us make sense of the world. And calling something
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: rational doesn't mean it's the truth. As we discovered over
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: the last four years or so, just because you call
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: something the science doesn't mean it's true. Just because you
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: call something rational doesn't mean it's true.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: And just because just because you call something rational doesn't
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: mean it's rational.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Just because you call something intuitive certainly doesn't mean it's true.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: In fact, that's that's even worse, and that's sort of
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: sort of what we're facing, that we were in this
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: impast between rationalism and mythology. I guess the stories that
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: have kept the human race going for thousands of years,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: those things aren't rational either. They're just stories that we've
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: accumulated over the millennia that help us frame things. Yeah,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: it's rationalizing is not the only way you can frame things,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: and it's certainly not the only way you can frame
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: things that will create a a better world, because this
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: is the difference between being rational and rationalizing things. You
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: can rationalize things into a state of upside downland. You
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: can use logos, as I believe the Greece called it.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: You can appeal to statistics and say, look, these statistics
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: say that this is what reality is like. Therefore this
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: must be what reality is like. No, you can fuck
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: around with statistics, just just like you can fuck around
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: with mythology and faith. None of none of this is safe.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: If you put all your eggs in any given basket,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: then you're in trouble.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: A great example of what you were just saying is
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: how feminists look at violence, for instance, and if if
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: you look at statistics on various types of violence, one
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: thing that you can figure out from it is that
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: the structures in society that men have created, the laws,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: the policies, the justice system, the imprisonment system, and all
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: of that that men have created in order to maintain
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: peace in society has emphasized maintaining peace toward women in
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: such a way that the types and scope of violence
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: women face in society in Western civilization at least, have
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: been reduced to the degree that you have to find
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: a very narrow range of violence in which to say women,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: women suffer more than men. And when you consider the
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: conditions under which that violence takes place, the overwhelming majority
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: of its circumstances where women have gone into a violent
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: environment or exposed themselves to violent people in an environment
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: where the men who would protect them from violence are
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: not present, And that condition kind of has to exist
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: in order for women to experience violence on a higher
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: level or a level that they consider to be higher
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: than men. And in every other area of violence between humans,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: men are more often the victims. Right, But feminists will focus,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: they'll hone in on those individual areas and say, look
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: how bad men are they do this to women, when
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: the reality is, look how careful men are. Women have
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: to get into these circumstances before this happens, right, And
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: those two different ways of looking at it are very
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: much a difference in logic. It's much harder to eliminate
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: violence that occurs because somebody willfully puts themselves in a
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: dangerous situation than it is to eliminate violence that occurs
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: in spite of your efforts to control human interaction in
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: public places. So yeah, it's one of those things that
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: logic versus rationalization. Feminists rationalize claiming that women are the
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: bigger victims and that men are are more violent people
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: when you look at those circumstances, one of the things
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: that leads to women experiencing violence under those circumstances is
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: women's own p repetration of violence. And uh, you know,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: then they end up in a circumstance where they meet
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: a man who doesn't have any loyalty or any consideration
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: for that taboo against hitting women, and there isn't another
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: man there to tell him no force fully, and then
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: they get hurt. So uh. And in terms of rational
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: versus intuitive, I would say a good illustration is if
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: you confirm that one plus one is two, and you
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: confirm that two plus three is five, it is rational
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: to to then conclude that one plus two or one
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: plus one plus three is five. Whereas if you look
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: at a set of five things, you might be able
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: to recognize intuitively, because you have seen groupings of five
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: things over and over again, that there are five things
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: there without having to count them.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: So there you go, and this is all meaningless if
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: you take that information and then pass it on to
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: the gender studies departments who ask their students, how does
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: the number seven make you feel? That is that is
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: a Simpsons reference, but that's.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can someone make you feel oppressed.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Seven is oppressive exactly. It's perfectly possible to layer superstition
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: on top of rationalization. It's perfectly capable for you to
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: layer modern religion. It's there's I'm going to go ahead
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: and refer to wokeness as religion. It's perfectly pos what's
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: the lay of that on top of rationalization and claim
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: that it's all based on logic, whereas whereas it's not.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: You can start by saying two plus two equals four,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: and then you add a bunch of gender studies on
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: top of that and say, yes, two plus two does
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: equal four unless it involves men and women, in which
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: case a bunch of spells and incantations. And now two
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: and two does in fact equal five as long as
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: it favors women or minorities are foreigners.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: It's also fun to watch postmodernists try to argue against this.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: One of the most frustrating ones I got into on
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: social media with a postmodernist was the idea that two
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: plus two does not always equal four because there are
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: other factors that can be involved in measuring things in
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: ways that are not addition. So, for instance, two sound
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: waves plus two sound waves does not equal four. Well,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: their logic for that was to take it from we
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: are counting the number of sound waves that we start
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: with to if you pump them toward each other, you
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: make the sounds toward each other and the sounds intermingle.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: You get a totally different type of calculation. But the
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: addition takes place before that calculation. How many sound waves
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: are we dealing with in this situation before we start
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: actually seeing how they mingle. Well, the answer to that
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: would still be two plus two equals four. And it
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: really frustrated the other person when I pointed that out,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: because no, we're not saying that four is the answer
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: to what happens when you mingle to sound waves. We're
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: answering how many sound waves did we mingle? And then
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: this bothers people if you go back to the actual
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: equation the thing that you're discussing, Well, you know, addition
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: is about counting things, and really all math is either
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: positive addition or subtraction, which is negative addition.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: And this all culminated in in this hippie dippy progressive
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: takeover of quantum physics. As many of you will have
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: discovered over the past few decades, they sort of go, well,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: but if you if you can't see two, then for
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: all we know quantum physically, two could be two point
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: four nine recurring, and so two point four nine recurring
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: plus two point nine four nine recurring must mean five.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: And then and they do all this bullshit, and they
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: they they take the uncertainties of quantum physics and they say, well,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: now everything is uncertain. Now we can't say anything about
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: the universe because because we found some scientists who who
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: who have discovered that we cannot accurately predict things at
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: the sub atomic scale. Therefore, when a woman abuses a man,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: it's a man abusing woman. It isn't funny how that work. Stuff.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: And so when you look back in history, it's easy
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: for them to then rationalize that all of the concerns
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: that women had that didn't want women to get the
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: vote must have been invalid. Concerns must have been a
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: complex of rationalizations, must have been inane, must have been
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: ultra conservative, and therefore, by being ultra conservative, that suddenly
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: makes them invalid, which it doesn't, by the way, it
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: doesn't determine anything about validity, but yeah, it goes on.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Sociologist Susan E. Marshall pointed to gendered class interests to
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: explain the antis motivation, although she also wrote that the
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: women antis were generally drawn from the same social class
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: as suffragists, so it's kind of difficult to call it
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: class versus class if they were from the same class.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Wasn't wealthy women not wanting the vote versus poor women
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: wanting the vote?
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: It was wealthy women versus wealthy women because the women
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: who were not wealthy were too busy going to work
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: and helping their husbands to support their families. Susan Goodyear
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: wrote that women anties in New York supported patriarchy, benefited
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: from it because other women apparently didn't and preferred to
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: maintain their traditional roles as protectors of the home and family.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: They knew how good they had it. While these explanations
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: have merit, they still leave one wondering why hundreds of
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: thousands of middle and upper class women campaigned for decades
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: against their own political rights. Alina Seagreen wrote about Southern
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: women's reasons, but most of them fear of black voters
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: and lingering resentment over the thirteenth, fourteenth, and fifteenth amendments
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: to the Constitution apply only to the South. So you
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: also had differing political attitudes there. Right, Some women didn't
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: want the vote because they were afraid that it wouldn't
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: be reserved for white women. But then the white women
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: that were arguing for the vote wanted the vote because
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: they did not want white women to not have the
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: vote if black men were going to have the vote.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: So you had racism on both sides there. That was
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: pretty prevalent back in the day.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: But they sought it all, they salted it all out
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: in the end, Yeah they did. Yeah, this is tricky,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: but what we're going to do is white Native straight
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: men the problem, and if anyone argues with us, we'll
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: just arrest them. And that's that's that's that's what we're
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: doing there. It's it's it's much like the problem we
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: have in the UK at the moment is we have
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: a government that assumes they just own us. They consider
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: the British people to be their property and so it
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter how much they abuse us, because we are
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: their property. And this is much the sake with dare
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: I say, white women. It's it's spread a lot further
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: since then. But what we see in the history of
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: feminism is is women claiming ownership over the men of
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: their own country, which in this case means white women
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: claiming ownership over men, which goes some way to explaining
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: why on Earth feminists seen to have this alliance with
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Islam and why they feel it's perfectly okay for the
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: white men in their own country to be endlessly oppressed
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: by by the blameless brown men from this other faith.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: It's because they own the men of their own country.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: They don't own the men from those other countries. They're
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: going to leave it to the women of those other countries.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: They're going to leave it to the women of those
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: other faiths to keep those men in line. It's not
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: their job. Their job is to keep white men in line.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: And this goes some way to explaining why it started
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: with feminism. It started with these multitiered gender politics, and
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: then once that was established, they went onto these multitid
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: racial politics. It's it's it's because yeah, I'm gonna say it,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: because we're on Hunter Badger Radio. It all started with
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: women who decided that their own men were their own property,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: not not their own companions, not their own fellow human
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: beings with whom they can they can start some kind
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: of family life. No, they consider they consider white men.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Can white women consider white men to be their own property.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: There's a racist element to it, but that always took
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: second fiddle to the sexist element of it, which is
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: that women should own men. And and like I say this,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: this then mutated in the university seem to white women
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: should own white men, but those are the only men
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: they should own. If any other men come in, then
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: we'll just look the other way. As and when they
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: rape us in the thousands, because yeah, that's a bit
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: of a setback. We're not exactly happy with how many
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: foreign men are raping us. But that's not the point.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: The point is we own our men, and we should
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: be able to do whatever we like with them. We
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: haven't finished doing whatever we like with them. What we
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: want to do with them, incidentally, is to raised them
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: from history. We want every single white man in the
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: West to identify as a woman, and then we will
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: have officially extradited masculinity from our culture. And in the meantime,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: a bunch of foreign men came in and they were like, Okay,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: well this this, this throws a wrench into our into
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: our system. What do we do about these foreign men? Well,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. We don't own those foreign men. That
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: the foreign women own those foreign men. So those foreign
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: men can do whatever they like, and we'll just blame
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: our men for that because because we own those men,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: we we can't do anything about about about these these
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: ethnically foreign and religiously foreign men. We don't own them.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: All we can all we can do is crack down
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: even further on the men that we do own, and
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: that's as European men in this case.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: They're playing a long game there. And what you what
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: you've discussed is a step toward women with an en
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: group bias toward the entire sex, regardless of other demographics,
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: owning all men and women in Western culture. White women
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: in Western culture see women from other cultures having is
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: it one of the things that feminists eliminated actually or
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: are really cut down on in Western society. What they
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: have a higher degree of sexual power over the men
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: around them and a higher degree of the power of
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: their vulnerability over the men around them. So women in
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: cultures where they are still subject to something similar to coverture,
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: and they are able to, within that system make demands
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: of men or have expectations of men where it's a
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: man's job to protect women from the harsher realities of life.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: That comes with a level of power. If men are
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: obligated to protect you from the harsher realities of life,
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: then being victim at any point of the harsher realities
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: of life is a weapon that you can use to
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: manipulate men. Right, and if sexuality between the sexes, heterosexuality
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: is very restricted and very protected, and monogamy is very
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: restricted and very protected, then being a victim of sexual exploitation,
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: sexual exposure, sexual predation, ogling, any kind of you know,
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: aspect of male sexuality being open or male sexuality being
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: unrestrained is again a weapon women can use against men.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: And feminists don't think about this but consciously for the
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: most part, But academic feminists they do, and they're they're
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: the ones that sort of introduced the idea that Western
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: women should not judge stuff like women being expected to
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: completely cover their bodies in other cultures, or women being
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: expected to not show their secondary sexual characteristics. There the
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: curvature of their legs, the curvature of their belly, the
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: cleavage of the breasts. That information is kept from men
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: in some cultures because it is a weapon that women
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: are able to wield to control a man's attention and
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: a man's loyalties, a man's sense of obligation. Right in
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: Western culture, feminism has normalized handing that information out to
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: men so freely that it is also normalized for it
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: to not work as a weapon to command a man's
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: loyalties or a man's sense of obligation. In any way,
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: you're not vulnerable when you're showing your cleavage, at least
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: not openly. You know, you may be able to command
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: a man's attention, but you're not victim of that attention.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: And so they've been fighting really hard for the last
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: ten years to return to a state where women can
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: consider themselves victim of that attention, despite seeking it and
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: despite openly exposing themselves to it, and they haven't been
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: able to achieve that, right. So they're embracing the import,
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: the mass import of people from cultures where it is
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: normal for women to withhold that information and to have
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: that power. And unfortunately, and there there is a pattern
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: that is taking place in the world right now. And
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: like I said on Tuesday, related information would be the
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: fact that when in the United States, our administration passed
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: a law that said if Cuban refugees could get one
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: foot on the beach in Florida, they had a right
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: to stay. Castro emptied out his prisons in his mental
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: wards and put them on rafts and sent them here.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Women didn't think about that. I don't know, they didn't
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: think about that, and now they're suffering. And I don't
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: feel sorry for them because they brought this on themselves.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: I do feel sorry for children that this is happening too.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: I don't feel sorry for adult women who voted for this,
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: And I know there are some women who didn't vote
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: for it, but out of politeness, politeness mostly imposed by women,
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: they didn't say anything about it, right, And that's happening
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: all over the world. So yeah, we're still seeing women
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: versus women and nightmo motorcyclists peged it right there. Most
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: women voted for it, most women demanded it, and among
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: the women who didn't, most didn't speak up about it,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: very very few because they didn't want to look anti
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: this religion or that they didn't want to look racist, xenophobic, homophobic,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: they didn't want to look guilty of the isms and
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: the phobias because those were their rules. Right, if you
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: disagree with us, you are infected with the isms and
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: the phobias. So therefore we have to follow the rules
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: of the isms and the phobias, you know, and how
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: how they create limitations on what we can say. And
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: women who do speak up, women who do buck the
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: rules of you know, being guilty of the isms and
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: the phobias, get heavily condemned for it, almost as much
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: as men. They get excommunicated from the sisterhood, and they
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: get treated like something is wrong with them mentally, and
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: and pretty much nobody listens so because all the other
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: women are screaming for tolerance, so you know, you get
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: what you get what you tolerate. Kind of sucks, doesn't it.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Let's see, we are at Southern Resentment of federal amendments
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: was so fierce that Kate M. Gordon, who had been
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: a vice president of the National American Women's Suffrage Association,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: actively campaigned against ratification of the nineteenth Amendments in nineteen twenty,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: setting up a table in the lobby of Nashville's Hermitage Hotel. Similarly,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: and that would be this, yeah, this group of women
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: right here in this picture. Let's see. Similarly, Laura Clay
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: of Kentucky and Anne Pleasant of Louisiana had worked for
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: suffrage but then fought against its enactment by a federal amendment.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Women anties made several dozen arguments for their position, many
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: of whom many of which seem trivial or even silly today.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: For example, civics should be taught by nonpartisan women, suffrage
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: would increase the cost of elections, and so on. Well
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: it did, so there is that it is hard to
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: believe that anti suffragists are Missus Arthur M. Dodge, who
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: was prominent in the same New York social circle as
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: the Rockefellers and the Astors, really cared it. Women's suffrage
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: would increase the cost of elections. Yet she made that
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: argument in a New York Times article see figure four.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: And this would be the article, which we could go
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: through and read that article, but we are not going
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: to do that today. I'll probably take a look at
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: this and see if it's it's worth an episode or
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: a video or something like that. Analyzing it uh and
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: and get to it on a an UH at a
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: future time. If it is, it's I fire. Remember I
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: think it might be, but I wanna I want to
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: stick with this first. So why did hundreds of strong, capable,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: civic minded women oppose their own right to vote? To
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: help solve the puzzle of what motivated the anties, this
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: author interviewed two great granddaughters of Arthur Missus Arthur M. Dodge.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: Each had learned of Missus Dodge's motivations from family law.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: Andrea Dodge said Missus Dodge was concerned that women were
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: generally uninformed about politics and not yet ready for the vote.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: Polly Brown said that even without the vote, upperclass women
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: had significant power to influence lawmakers, and Missus Dodge was
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: concerned that they would lose that power if they entered
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: partisan politics. These two reasons women were not ready and
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: more power without the vote are rarely mentioned today and
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: they require some explanation. And from my personal perspective, I
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: would say this, women could appeal to the Congress, to
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: the President, to the media, to their local politicians, to
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: the the male voters. Through the power of female fragility
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: and victimhood. And women's interests and have control over all
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: of those institutions just by virtue of saying this is
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: the only way we can get this if you stand
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: up for us. As long as they had no other
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: say in the matter, they had no other control over
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: the matter. But you can't be victim of something that
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: you're voted for. Like I just said about you know,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: you get what you tolerate. Well, if you have an
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: active role in making it happen, it's not somebody else's
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: fault and you're not a victim of it. You might
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: suffer from it, you might not like the consequences, but
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: they are your consequences. If you steer your car over
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: a cliff, you're not a victim of the impact. When
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: you hit the bottom. You have suffered the consequences of
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: your own choices. And women then knew the distinction would
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: change how much influence they would have in politics. If
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: women could vote, then they would have to rely on
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: women to vote. Because men could vote in their own interests,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: they wouldn't have to worry if women wanted something, women
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: would vote for it. Politicians didn't have to worry if
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: women wanted something, they would vote for The politicians that
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: would listen to them. Right, So if male voters outnumbered
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: women voters, if the suffragists got the vote for women
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: and then only a minority of women voted, women would
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: lose political power instead of gaining it. So their first
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: explanation the problem of the uninformed voter. Alexander Kissar has
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: written about the problem of the uninformed voter in relation
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: to women's suffrage. As he pointed out, the idea of
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: universal suffrage was popular around eighteen fifty, but became unpopular
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: in the middle and upper classes by eighteen eighty because
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: millions of voters were recent immigrants who were illiterate, which
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: meant they would not be able to read the news,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: by the way, because you didn't have news presenters on
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: a television giving it. It was only written so because
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: millions of voters were recent immigrants who were illiterate unfamiliar
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: with democracy, are inclined to sell their votes for a
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: liquor or money. Many people were concerned that's experiment with
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: the democracy might turn out to be a disaster. The
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: absence of the secret ballot made the selling of votes easy.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: At the turn of the century, each political party would
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: print and distribute its own color coded ballots. Quissar argued
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: that in such a chaotic and corrupt environment, the main
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: obstacle to women's voting was not so much opposition to
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: women voting as opposition to allowing any more voters at all.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: One progressive woman who shared this concern was journalist Jane
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: Gray swiss Helm, who had outstanding credentials as a fearless
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: and pioneering feminist. Swiss Helm wrote in eighteen eighty nine,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: so we didn't even just have women versus women, we
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: had feminists versus feminists. Here, swiss Helm wrote in eighteen
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: eighty nine that the government was already staggering under the
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: ballots of ignorant, irresponsible men. She strongly opposed women's suffrage
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: and believed that if women got the vote, the government
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: could not exist for another ten years. So she didn't
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: understand women. What happened when women got the vote in
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: nineteen ten? Was it nineteen ten? It was before? In
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: nineteen hundred, there was, if I remember it, almost no
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: taxation from a federal level, And when they started agitating
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: for women's suffrage, there was no income tax at the
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: federal level. None. Now the upper levels pay more of
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: their income than they get to keep unless they can
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: find ways to get out of it, and women's voting
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: has manipulated the ways that they're able to do that,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: so that one of the ways that companies get out
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: of it is engaging in dei hiring. So government grew
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: after women got voting rights, and it grew exponentially. It
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: grew the bureaucracy that we have today, grew out of
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: the many things that changed during the twentieth century in
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: regard to the function of the federal government after women
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: got their voting rights, rather a strange thing exponentially didn't bottle.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: It's crazy though, when you think about it. Early American
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: women who did not have to earn their own money
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: and were accustomed, if their husbands had a significant amount
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: of money, to spending his money to make themselves look
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: good doing nice things for other people translated that into
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: spending your money. This government.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: This point in history would be a very good time
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: for the West to start apologizing for feminism. Like we
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: were to apologize for anything, it would be that because
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: it did happen on our watch, whatever the fuck our means,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: whatever the fuck we means anymore. The state of identity
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: politics has got to the point where we have to
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: be very careful what we describe as our or we
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: We're at that point in history where, I mean, the
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: worst thing the West has done to the rest of
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: the world is well, I'm going to say number one
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: is feminism. Number two is democracy. But feminism is worse
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: because at least where democracy is the thing we're saying
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: we're doing, we're sailing across the world in invading every
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: country and saying you have to be democratic or will
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: shoot you. At the same time, democracy isn't the worst
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: of these things. While the West has spread democracy, they've
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: also overtly spread feminism. And I don't think it's democracy
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: that people are really objected to. I think it's the feminism.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: I think it's this very idea that men should bow
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: down to women and give them everything they want, as
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: though that's an out there idea that no one's ever
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: thought of.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: Before you think about it, feminism is bullshit, right, we
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: know that feminism is bullshit, and bullshit is fertilizer. Democracy
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: is bleach it. It sort of takes all of the
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: character out of government by putting it in the hands
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: of the mob, so it sort of whitewashes it, not
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: in terms of making it under the control of white people,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: but of like I said, taking a character of government out.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: Instead of being responsible for the people, government becomes beholden
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: to the people. But what happens when you mix fertilizer
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: and bleach develop absolutely destructive power. Right, It's not a
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: good not a good result. Mixing feminism with democracy has
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: been the worst disaster, political disaster in American history. It's
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: been a long, slow train wreck over the last few centuries.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: And we found ourselvesselves. We found ourselves in a position
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: where the European West is apologizing for the rest of
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: to the rest of the world, for everything except the
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: things we should be apologizing for. Yeah, I'm not sorry
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: that we gave you indoor plumbing, I'm not sorry that
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: we gave you electricity, ballistics of all this stuff. But
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: there's a little part of me that is sorry that
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: we gave you feminism and democracy and that our governments
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: to this day are still trying to sell you this
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: fucking grift about how if you put women in charge
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: that will improve your society. I can't imagine any lie
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: in the history of humanity has been as lie as
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: that Good Lord.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: Noba fin twenty one gave us a dollar and said,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: when I was a kid, I always thought it never
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: made sense how a dictator can just promise stability and
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: suddenly everyone signs up for it. Seeing feminist propaganda to
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: this day made me understand. Of course, there's also the
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: thing that happens with dictators a lot of times is
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: that they get a segment of the most well armed
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: and most strategically educated people in society to sign up
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: for their dictatorship, and then they just impose it on
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: everybody else. But then again, you know, and under democracy
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: we have ended up with a public education system and
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: a military and police force that kind of does the
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: same thing. So there you go, and I will point
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: out man man Man suggested Islamic countries will never adopt feminism.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: Though Islamic morals are quite backward, but at this point
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: they are much closer to reality than the West. May
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: I think people realize that GUYO centric Islam is.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's not just it's not it's not just kind
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: of centric. It's it's feminist. It's just that we don't
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: there is no direct translation between what the Arabs call
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: it's Islam and what we call feminism. It's it's the
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: it's just it's just several steps ahead. It's just got
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: to the point where we're like, we're we're so terrified
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: about about all those bad men raping are perfectly good
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: women that we have, we have no choice but to
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: wrap them up in garbage bags so that nobody can
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: see them anymore. And it's it's just endless, endlessly frustrating
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: that that's the so called right wing, the so called
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: red pillars, the so called trad cons look at this
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: and go, oh, this is men oppressing women. No, this
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: is men protecting women. And and you're going down this
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: same path where all that matters is protecting women, and
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: you get headed for the same place because because that's
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: all you can think of, because there's no there's there's
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: no room in your brain for the concept of women
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: protecting men.
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  Speaker 2: What this is the thing? Throughout human evolution, female sexual
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: power has been a thing. Right, women and uh uh,
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  Speaker 2: adolescent girls of the age of fertility, I guess you
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  Speaker 2: would be the best way to put it, have always
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  Speaker 2: had the power to command the attention of the opposite sex,
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  Speaker 2: to command the sympathy of the opposite sex, the interest
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: of the opposite sex, the dedication of the opposite sex,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: the compassion of the opposite sex, by flaunting their sexuality,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: by flaunting their attractiveness, by using the sexual magnetism between
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: themselves and the males around them of their age and
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: older to manipulate and control. That's not something that just
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: materialized after civilization evolved, and civilization evolved around trying to
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: navigate that as people began living closer and closer together,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: and technology changed the way that we gathered resources and
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: shared them among a community. Feminists don't want people to
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: talk about this, but resource acquisition and distribution evolved around
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: women's ability to use their sexuality, to use their sexual
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  Speaker 2: power to gain a bigger share for themselves and their
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: offspring of that distribution. And so that natural tendency, that
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: natural behavior that had to be controlled in closer civilization
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: because once you had higher population, you had unintended consequences
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: of women trying to do that. They might target man A,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: and they might get attention from man B, who they
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: didn't want attention from. And women have the power of
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: playing victim of that consequence and men will fall for it. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So the admonition, the requirement, the expectation, that women cover
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: their bodies. Women initiated that, and men initiated that to
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: protect women from male sexuality. The other side of that
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: equation is the pull of female sexuality drags on male sexuality.
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  Speaker 2: If male sexuality didn't reciprocate, women wouldn't be able to
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: use look at me, I'm vulnerable, look at me, I'm fertile,
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  Speaker 2: look at me, I'm a mother, look at me I'm
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  Speaker 2: attractive to get a bigger share of resources. And they
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: also wouldn't be able to create a circumstance where they
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: are victim of seeking attention and resources from male A
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: and getting attention they didn't want from male B. So
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: that covering of the skin was about protecting women from
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: male B, and it was far more about protecting women
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: from male B than it was about protecting male B
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: from embarrassing himself or getting himself into trouble by paying
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: attention to the wrong woman. Although it does that, it
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: does do that, but it is more about demonizing men
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: as predators than it is about demonizing women as sluts.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: So when you look at cultures where we view as
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: a society, not we personally because I don't, but we
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: as a society of view women as oppressed because they
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: have to cover their bodies. No, what that's telling people
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: is that access, even visual access to knowing what a
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: woman's body looks like is very restricted in society. It's
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: privileged information and only a few people are allowed to
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: have it. Women get to decide who they are, even
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: if they're in arranged marriages. They get to decide how
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: they respond.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's definitely not an anti feminist society.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: Feminism prays on guynescentrism, and Guynescentrism is unfortunately fairly widespread.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't know of any society in the
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: world that doesn't have some degree of guynescentrism.
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  Speaker 1: We all require, uh, some kind of recipe of liberty
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  Speaker 1: and authority. It's difficult to say that the small l
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: libertarian in me is going, no, we don't need any
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: authority ever. But we do because we're always in danger
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: of if some kind of movement comes along, they can
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: they can take authority and liberty and stretch them off
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: into two different realms where women get all the liberty
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: and men get all the authority. That's that's what's happened
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: in the West and beyond it into the communist East
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: as well. They just don't talk about it much. But
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: but you get what I mean. If you if you
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: draw no distinction between authority and liberty, then you make
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: yourself vulnerab to movements that can that can divide you
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: based along lines that are sort of evolutionarily ingrained, such
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: as we should protect the women, men should protect women
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: more than women protect men. That that sounds non egalitarian,
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  Speaker 1: and but it's just it's just how the world works.
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  Speaker 1: It's how every mammal species works. Women do need to
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: protect it more than men because women are the ones
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: who get pregnant, and women can only get pregnant from
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: one man every nine months, or as a man can
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: impregnate multiple women. That's it's not it's not even a
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  Speaker 1: moral thing. It's it's a it's a matter of ergonomics.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I will say this, you can't just like there's
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: natural gain of Centrist arguments include the idea that you
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: could you could take the male population down significantly lower
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: than the female population and still be able to repopulate
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: the earth. But I want to remind people that inbreeding
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: causes serious problems in the human genome. And it's not
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: just humans, like other animals have this problem too. You
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: cats have, like house cats, different breeds of house cats
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: in the United States now that have been very popular,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: like Siamese cats have inbred health problems like blindness that
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: have occurred as a result of inbreeding. But but in
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: terms of kinocentrism versus the logic of protecting motherhood, you know,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: one is about children and the other it's just about women.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: And there is no reason to the world for the
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: one that is just about women to exist at all.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: Aside from being baby makers, there isn't anything about women
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: that makes us more valuable to men in any way.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: In fact, if you look at what women do in
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: the world besides making babies versus what men do in
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: the world, and I'm talking about all of the history
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: of human civilization, we are less valuable than men. Everything
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: that's happened in human history, aside from maintaining the population,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: aside from giving birth and raising children, all of the
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: building of human civilization, all of the structure, all of
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: the rules and regular relations, all of the how it
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: works together, right, every aspect of that came from masculinity
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: in men. Maybe men might not have been inspired to
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: do parts of it if if there were no women,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: if the human race had a way of reproducing asexually
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: and there was no such thing as sex and women
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: didn't exist, and it was just, you know, the default
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: was male or whatever, maybe there would have been things
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: comforts and so on that would have been less attractive
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: for humans to build. But for the most part, things
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: like safety and sanitization, cleanliness, basically medical advancements, technological advancements,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: we'd still have all of that. Women have contributed very
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: little to it. It's an ugly thing to have to
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: admit about my own sex, but it's a fact.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: It's an evolutionary fact. Women never needed to evolve beyond
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: what was required to make children. And I'm focusing this
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: around the word need because it's it's the backbone of
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: evolutionary theory. Need. Things evolve these ways because they need
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: to evolve this way. Women never needed to perform much
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: except except having children because it was such a commitment
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: for for the female body. But men still have this
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: sense of need, and it extended so far beyond just
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: a what is essentially a chemical reaction that happens in
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: a woman's body, because that's that's that's always been what
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: women needed to do, this chemical reaction. But while they
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: evolved this men evolved a very different kind of need,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: a much more complex kind of need. And it's and
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: ands to do whatever it takes to make sure these
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: these young uns survive. Something that doesn't just involve a
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: chemical reaction that happens automatically inside your body. It's it's
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: it's something. It's something that happens in all kinds of
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: layers in your brain as you, as you empathize with
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: the women who are having your children, whether or not
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: you know that your children, and and and you, you
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: focus everything that a woman focuses biologically on, uh just
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: stating this child. A man focuses psychologically on raising this child,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: whether or not he knows he's even doing it for
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: the sake of raising the child. This is why men
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: have all of these psychological incentives. There's there. There was
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: this brilliant meme that went around a couple of months ago.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: Like the top of it was men only think about
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: one thing, and then they show this picture of a
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: guy and that all these captions saying I need I
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: need to succeed, I need to do the best for
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: my family, I need to make more money, I need
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: to and there's all these I need things and and
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: and it it's it struck a chord with so many
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: people because it's like, yeah, that that is what it's
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: like being a man. Yeah, you are, for you are
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: forever dogged by these feelings of I need to do
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: better and in many ways, in many ways, it's it's
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: a curse and in many ways it's a blessing. And
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: it's Uh, it's why human beings have dominated the earth
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: for so many thousands of years, because because we have
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: this this dualized system of women who think everything should
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: be about them and men who think everything should be
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: about someone else. And that's that's that seems like a
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: very unequal, a very unequitous state of affairs. But that's
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: that's where we are. And the least we can do
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: is acknowledge that that's where we are. We we are,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: we are, we are a sexual species. We have two
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: different kinds of human being. One of them is very
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: very focused on their own well being. The other is
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: very very focused on anything but their own well being.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: And that's that's weird.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 5: To quote Tim Waltz, Yeah, yeah, when when you play it,
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 5: when you sound it out like that it sounds weird,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 5: and yeah it is, but it's how we got it
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 5: because we have two different kinds of human one that
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 5: loves itself, one that also loves fucking women.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: And we can we can continue with this as long
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: as we acknowledge that that's the case, as long as
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: we have these fucking gnostic upside down land clowns telling
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: us that actually it's men who love themselves and it's women.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: It's it's going to be very hard to explain to
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: future historians how the funck this happened, But yeah, this happened.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: Even modern historians don't understand it. Yeah, modern historians don't
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: understand the real reason why women are miserable. There is
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: a stark difference in the way boys and girls are raised,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: and and it's been that way throughout a long part
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: of history. And yeah, I know. I talked about the
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: compassion idea of the previous social contract, where you know,
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: a man's job was to protect and provide in a
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: woman's job included having compassion for him, meaning that when
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: he comes home from work or or when work is
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: done for the day, if work is at home, which
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: it isn't always, you know, done for the day when
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: work is at home, that that because she has that compassion,
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: she would want to try to alleviate his fatigue and
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: his pain and suffering from the labor that he has
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: spent hours and hours engaging in. And that was why
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: women waited on men hand and foot back in the day,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: because they cared and it was their their role, their
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: job to be caring in that manner, to be the caregiver.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: And a lot of women today who work go into
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: care caregiving jobs because we have that instinct to be
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: the caregiver. And we're still doing that for our families
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: as well, and it's exhausting. Women are miserable, though for
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: an entirely different reason. Like feminists would stop at that
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: point and say, well, see, there you go. It's society's
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: fault for making women be the caregiver, even though I
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: just described it as an instinct right. Girls are raised
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: to get access to resources by expressing discontent. Boys are
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: raised to get access to resources by engaging in proactivism.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: Get it yourself, do it yourself, help produce it, help
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: make it happen. It used to be in pre feminist
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: days that women had roles in, if not acquisition in
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: preparation of resources, in storage of resources, and preservation of resources.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: So you actually had some level of proactiveness in women.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: But today our roles in resource acquisition and in resource
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: maintenance in our homes and our families is not consistent
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: with what we're raised to do in order to gain
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: access to the social resources that we need. Right And
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: as a result of that, women are trained from childhood
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: to make discontentment their main state of mind, whereas men
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: are trained from boyhood to make problem solving their main
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: state of mind. Women are trained to see problems and
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: worry about problems. Men are trained to solve problems. Do
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: you see the problem that that causes? Right? The problem
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: is women are trained to think that it really is
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: not about the nail. Women are trained to need the
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: nail to stay in place in order to maintain that
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: level of discontent so that they can get the resource
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: of your compassion in order to command other resources from you.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: Got to have that nail in place. Got to still
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: complain about that nail so that you will give safety
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: and protection, food, shelter, clothing, money, love, care, concern. Take
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: the nail away. Women have nothing. It is absolute about
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: the nail. The nail is a woman's tool. Yeah, because
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: of that, women are miserable because they have to be.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 6: Right and it's not exactly they have to be. And
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 6: it's not even that they have to be, they choose
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 6: to be, you know. And the reason that these people
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 6: are scratching their heads, oh I don't know why, well,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 6: because sometimes the blame has to lay at the feet
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 6: of women. You know, sometimes you have to actually blame women.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 6: It's your choices that put you in this situation that
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 6: make you absolutely miserable.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 6: It's not what they try. I guess I don't know
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 6: if it's a therapy thing, but it's like, you know,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 6: push the blame outward.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 4: It's not my fault. It's what this person.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 6: Or these people, or society or government whatever has done
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 6: to me. It's because of this situation that they put,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 6: not what I chose to do, you know, or how
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 6: you choose to react. I mean, geez, everything, what's the
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 6: same ninety of life is is how you react to it,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 6: right or not?
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 4: What you do or how you react with whatever. The fuck.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 4: I'm but you know what I'm saying.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 6: It's not it's not what happens to you, it's how
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 6: you react to it right, And women are just horrible.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 6: They do not possess the ability, the coping mechanisms to
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 6: deal with the fact that, oh my god, oops, I
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 6: did it again, you know, and I, oh my god,
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 6: I have to sop up all this fucking sorry gravy
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 6: with my I did this biscuit and come to the
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 6: fucking reality that maybe I shouldn't do this again, you know.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 6: But no, because women operate off of emotion, not logic,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 6: you know, not no kind of reasoning. But well, the
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 6: only reasoning is that it made me feel good, or
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 6: this is what I wanted, or I you know, it's intangible. Yeah,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 6: so their expectations do not fall with any kind of
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 6: you know, purview of reality. Why do you think they're upset?
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 6: Why do you think they're depressed? They want what they
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 6: can't have because they're making the stupidest decisions in life,
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 6: and you know, no one is there to tell them.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 6: No one, nobody will tell a woman that she's done
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 6: anything wrong, absolutely, no one, Even when she's one thousand
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 6: percent in the wrong. There's always going to be someone
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 6: who's gonna say.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, you know, I understand, and she's been
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 4: through a lot and a world where.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 6: You have to stop that. The only way to record
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 6: is to stop that behavior. You have to stop holding
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 6: women's hands through every fucking thing in life.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 6: Sometimes you have to you gotta get the scrape knee,
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 6: you know, sometimes the scar has to you have to
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 6: open the wound again a couple.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: Of times, but you gotta let the shit heal.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, uh yeah. And the fact of the matter is,
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: we don't have to train little girls growing up that
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: the way that they gain compassion from other people, that
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: the way that they acquire resources, the way that they
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: get their needs met, uh, is to be discontent, you know,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: to to experience discontent and express discontent. We can train
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: little girls growing up that the way that they get
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: their needs met should be the same as the way
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: boys get their needs met by being proactive, by solving problems,
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: by going out and doing and getting and being instead.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think and I will put I will.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: Put this this way. A lot of women will not
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: like hearing this because they get upset when another woman
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: throws away the nail.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 6: Mm hmmm mm hmm. And but that's feeds right into
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 6: what I was just about to say. And I think
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 6: that we're beyond the point of even talking to women
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 6: or trying to change their behavior.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 4: You gotta we gotta talk to the men.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 6: We got to talk to the men and tell them
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 6: that teach them how to recognize this behavior and how
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 6: to not fucking put up with it. That that's really
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 6: the only way they're gonna learn. Because they want women
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 6: will not listen. They won't listen to other women.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 6: The only time they listen to other women is when
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 6: they're in agreeance with them, you know, and then any
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 6: other opinion or.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 4: Truths be damn.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 4: It's up to them.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 6: It's up to men, you know, to also step up
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 6: and say, listen, no, you did this ship, I'm not
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 6: talking to you anymore. You're X out of my life.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 6: Whatever it takes, you just stop putting up with this shit.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 6: Stop giving excuses to women. Stop saying, oh, well, I
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 6: know she's a single mother, but you know she's a
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 6: good woman. You know, stop it. Your the bar is
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 6: set way too low. Your standards have to rise up, gentlemen,
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 6: because these women are.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 4: They will.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 6: The ones that get past your radar, will get in
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 6: there and ruin your fucking line.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 4: It's what they do.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not just about interpersonal relationships. I mean
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: from my perspective when I look at this and in
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: terms of is how all of civilization works. One of
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: the things that has been a big problem for men
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: is that the mechanisms of government are under women's control,
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: and they have been for about a century now, pretty
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: much ever since women got the vote, right, And it's
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: partly because there's a percentage of men that are always
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: going to vote in women's interests or in the interest
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: that they are told are women's interests, right, And then
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: there's an unfortunate percentage of men that doesn't vote at
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: all that are you know, it's a bigger percentage than
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: the percentage of women who don't vote. And the result
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: basically has been women using government as a tool for
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: social engineering. And men are not going to be able
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: to escape that social engineering until they unify in large
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: enough numbers to outnumber the simps who will vote in
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: what they are told our women's interests and ban together
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: with the small number of women who realize that actually
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: what everyone has told our women's interests are not good
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: interests for any part of the human race and need
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: to be stopped and to start dismantling the system of
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: social engineering within government and take it back to what
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: it was originally intended to achieve, which was national unity
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: and an ability between the states to maintain travel and commerce,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: and an ability between the states to organize national defense.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: Like that's all government needs to do. It doesn't need
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: to do more than that. And when it's it's being
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: used the way it's being used today for a complex
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: system of social micromanagement through legal imposition of feminine ideas
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: of politeness, men will always suffer, children will always suffer,
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: and women will always suffer and refuse to admit that.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: That is why, right, men need to take control of
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: their families. And you can't take control of your family
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: if that social engineering mechanism gives women the right to
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: abandon you and take the family with them. So men
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: need to take back control of the government. It's unfortunate
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: because it isn't It's like taking control of the one
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: ring from the lord of the rings. You know, it's
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: like taking control of a nuclear bomb or the world's
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: worst poison and uh and and unfortunately that's that's the
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: only way to do it, because it's actively being used
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: in Until you take control of it and put a
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: stop to that. You're you're never going to have any
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: success in any of the endeavors that the men's rights
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: movement engages in. We have little bits here and there,
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: all right, We've had some some ability to at least
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: scare the shit out of conservatives to the degree that
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: they will agree to, uh legislation that that gives fathers
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: equal custody rights and divorce in some states. But uh,
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's a small step, and it took a
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: long time to get there, two hundred years. So uh so, yeah,
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: you just got to take it back, and you got
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: to do it, no matter how loudly women yell, no
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: matter how angry they get, no matter how much they
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: accuse you of being the bad guys. Right, just like
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: your teenage daughter calls you a monster for grounding or
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: because she dated, you know, some guy that you could
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: see having twenty seven mugshots in the future. Women are
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: gonna get pissed off about you doing that, But that
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: doesn't make it wrong. Women get pissed off about a
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: lot of things that should happen. We got a super
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: chat from ZERANX, who says gave us five dollars and says,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's compassion, Hannah. We probably think it
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: is because of how our POV changes depending on whether
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: we're dealing with men or women. My thinking is compassion
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: is like kindness, Neither can exist without the existence of
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: rebuke and forgiveness. Existing women are generally treated as though
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: they can't do certain things or they're beyond certain behaviors.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: That's usually granted to children up to toddler ages because
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: they don't understand what's going on and only know what
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: they want. This, by the way, came through at eight
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: thirty two, so it's been here for a while, so
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: it's not the most recent thing I said that he's
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: referring to. That's coddling. I maintain that there is no
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: compassion in only coddling for women, especially in the West.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: If there was actual compassion, women would understand how they
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: protect the men that serve them, and men would continue
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: to protect women because we know they're part of the
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: means through how our species survives. And yeah, it's not
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: compassion to caudle women, right, But what I was talking
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: about in the moment I think that you're responding to
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: was compassion for when women suffer consequences of of natural
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: phenomena that maybe they don't fully understand. So something bad
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: happens some to another person and they're in pain and
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: they're suffering. Women can get men to have compassion for
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: that pain and suffering when it's a woman experiencing it.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: The unfortunate thing is that it does result in coddling,
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: where women make stupid choices, they play stupid games, and
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: they win stupid prizes, and then men go, oh, I'm
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: so sorry that you ended up burdened with that stupid prize.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: I'll take on the burden of leeving, alleviating you of
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: that burden and relieving you from from dealing with it. Right.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: That's that's not compassion, that's coddling. And you know what
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: women need to experience, what little girls need to experience
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: growing up, is that when they play little kid stupid
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: games and they win little kid stupid prizes, their dads
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: need to respond with, well, what did you learn? You
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: won't do that again, will you? We just spent all
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: day at the hospital because you stuck your foot in
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: hot coals to find out if they were hot, and
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: they were, so what did you learn to do before
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: you make a decision like that, like my dad did's
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: that's what I got to hear when I did that.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: You know, what did you learn once they knew I
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: was okay? Once we went to the hospital, and you know,
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: I had like all the antibiotics and examinations, and the
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: doctor decided I didn't need to be hospitalized, and they
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: sent me home with my foot wrapped in so many
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: bandages that looked like a cast, and and exstruction instructions
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: on what to do to take care of the actual injury.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: My dad had a very serious talk with me about
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: thinking what could happen if I do this before I
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: did things right, That's usually something that happens with boys,
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: but it's not always something that happens with girls, you know.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: And I'm kind of lucky that I was the older
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: sibling because my parents didn't have an excuse then to
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: look at an older sibling and say, why weren't you
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: watching her? Because they would have that was baby boo
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: when you just did that a lot with the older
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: sibling and the younger sibling, right, why weren't you Why
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: weren't you watching? That's your job. You're the older sibling.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: I know that because I was the oldest. But since
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: I was the oldest, you know, I got I got
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: the uh, what would you know? You gotta think about
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: what would happen if you do this talk. Every kid
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: should have that lesson from their parents, male or female,
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: And if every girl grew up having that lesson drilled
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: into her head, we would not have such a high
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: phenomenon of women fucking up their lives and then being
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: miserable and blaming everybody else and fucking up everybody else's
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: lives to make up for it. In any case, and
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: we will continue with the article next week. And I
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: think we stopped at opposition for women's suffrage because Jane
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: Gray Swisshelm didn't believe the government would last for another
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: ten years, and I got off on a kick of
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: women growing the government instead of shrinking it. It would
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: have been better if they had eliminated it. This what
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: we've got today is just exponentially terrible. It's not just
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: bad for us, it's bad for the whole fucking world.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: So there you go. I've read all of the super Chows,
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: I've read all the super Chats, and I have read
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: the rumble rant that we got we have in our
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: after show. We've been reading an article or the original
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: title of the article is sixty nine things Trump has
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: said about women, and we've been reading through the things.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: This is a listical by by every definition of listical.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: The guy that is writing it has literally just posted quotes,
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: and they're not even full quotes or accurate quotes. He's
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: had some quotes that he posted that when you act
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: start looking for the source material. The first part of
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: the quote is from one statement and the second part
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: of the quote is from another statement, and the writer
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: put them together to make a quote that looks bad
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: because two things were combined that he didn't even say
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: at the same time. So it's it's kind of interesting,
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: But the best part is kind of watching a feminist
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: man freak out. You know, he's not describing why he
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: thinks these things are bad. He's just posting them. And
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: a lot of them are perfectly reasonable things to say,
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: and the ones that maybe aren't as popular or politically
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: correct today, there's nothing in them to make them false observations.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: Some of them are statements of opinion on women's looks,
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: for instance, So the guy that ran the Msmerica pageant
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: isn't allowed to comment on women's looks. But yeah, so
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: that's what we're doing in the after show right now.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: We're just looking at sort of what what does this
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: guy think it was inappropriate for Trump to say? Uh,
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: and and he seems to have held the grabbed them
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 2: by the pussy comment, wherein Trump acknowledged that men who
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: have wealth and clout are able to tell that some
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: women's conditions for what they will accept for men. Some
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: women's standards on what they will accept from men change
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: depending on how much wealth and cloud a man has. Right,
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: Women got really upset about that quote, by the way, Right,
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: But yeah, he seems to have saved that quote for
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: later because we haven't run into it yet.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: Still saying that goddamn quote. I swear to god, I'm
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 3: absolutely I love the quote. I love the quote too.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 3: I love the quote too because it's so goddamn true.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 3: It's so honest, and it was said in such a moment.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 6: Of like honesty, you know what I mean, Like like
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 6: he just said it's so true, and everybody's losing their
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 6: ship as if.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 4: They don't know that this is the case. Everybody knows
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 4: what a fucking groupie is.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 6: Everybody, every fucking music genre knows what at they've all
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 6: had their groupies, every single one of them. Okay, we
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 6: know what a group it's it's a well and it's
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 6: almost a household name that isn't really ever said because
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 6: of how disgusting and dirty it is.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 4: But it's true. It's true.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: An amen gig.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 6: Okay, well, maybe you wouldn't let Trump grab you by
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 6: your pussy, man, but that doesn't mean there's not someone
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 6: who would, you know, I'm just and because again, it
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 6: just strips the agency away from women. Yes, there are
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 6: some women who would, yep, and it's their absolute goddamn
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 6: right to do. So what are you going to say
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 6: about it, bitch?
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: Well, and I just is some women are gold diggers
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 2: and some women are clout chasers. Some women are both,
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: and it is fair to call them that when they
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 2: do it, and it's right. You know, it's not a
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: statement about all women. And if a woman feels called
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: out by that, maybe she should examine her motives. Why
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: are you upset at the acknowledgment that some women do
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: these things if you're not to the women? So but anyway, yeah,
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: so that's what we're doing in our after show. I
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: didn't do my spiel at the beginning at about Feed
• 2:00:04
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• 2:00:08
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• 2:00:42
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• 2:00:48
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• 2:00:52
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• 2:00:56
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• 2:01:26
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• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: do that. So because our our after shows are patrenionly
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• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: co hosts for again this is this is dry going
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: through this, but it's it's information that people really have forgotten.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: So thanks for for sticking out the freeze dried sausage,
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  Speaker 2: Thanks to all.
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: The technical difficulties and forgetting it.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: Thanks to the listeners for your patients with the technical
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: difficulties and all my cussing about the technical difficulties, uh
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 2: and all, yeah and all all like we're probably more
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 2: profane than the men.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, so I don't. So.
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 6: There was a coworker of mine that got recently just
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 6: got fired for basically saying the N word in an
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 6: inter office memo and it was directed at me. Well, yeah,
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 6: directed at me. But you know, if you knew the
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 6: things that I would love to say that I just
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 6: can't say because I'm at work, Holy shit, that would
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 6: fire me.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 4: Are you kidding me?
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 6: They would blast me into orbit from my opinions and
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 6: the things that I would say.
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 4: He got fire for saying nigga. Oh my god.
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. See I I had a workplace years ago where
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 2: I could say anything I wanted. It was a small
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: business and uh, it's it's out of business now. I
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 2: wasn't working for for the business when it when I
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: went out of business, it was I'd moved to Dayton
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 2: by that point and it's up in Lima. But it
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 2: went out during the Obama end of the Bush Obama recession.
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: Just couldn't survive the whole long term of that and
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: uh and everything. But I worked with two men and
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: another one and then the woman that I worked with
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: was as old as my parents, and so you like
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 2: they once they figured out I was comfortable with just
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: about anything, and then it was pretty much and it
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 2: was the most fun place I ever worked, so outside
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: of my family business.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 7: But it's you trusting your eyes is like that's some
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 7: kind of authority when you should be trusting the big
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 7: goal eyes.
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 1: The big goal is that do the things that your
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: eyes and is should not do. Do you got that?
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: Ye gotta trust big brother. The only problem is my
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 2: big My big brother was younger than me, So he
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 2: was bigger than me by the time. See by the
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: time I was five, but but he was younger than me.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: It would be more accurate to refer to this entity
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: as Auntie. Yeah, and it's kind of funny how the
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: BBC likes to refer to itself as Auntie.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: Whine, Auntie is watching you. Yes, that's pretty much the
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: state of things today. So to Whine, Auntie and the
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: rest of you, I will say good night and see
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 2: you next Thursday.