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Tyler Robinson Preliminary Hearing Transcript (Day 4 Part 10) (10/14/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. In
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  Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to pick up where we left
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  Speaker 1: off with the Tyler Robinson transcript from day number four
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  Speaker 1: of the prelim hearing. Question. All right. After processing the
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  Speaker 1: scenes there at Utah Valley University in Orem, did you
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  Speaker 1: go to St. George? Answer. Yes, I did. Question. And
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  Speaker 1: what was your role in St. George? Answer. My role
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  Speaker 1: was overseeing the execution of the search warrant at both Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Robinson's residence as well as his parents' residence. Question, we've
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  Speaker 1: had testimony that Mr. Robinson was arrested there. Was he
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  Speaker 1: fingerprinted and his DNA taken? Answer, they were actually taken
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  Speaker 1: at the Utah County Sheriff's Office, the jail. Question, after
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  Speaker 1: he was transported to Utah County? Answer, yes. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: you said that there was, oh, and were items of
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  Speaker 1: evidence collected from him after he was arrested? Answer, yes,
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  Speaker 1: there was. Question, from his person, what were those things? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: they were his clothing. What he was wearing at the
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  Speaker 1: time of his arrest to include shirt, pants, underwear, as
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  Speaker 1: well as shoes and anything that were in his pockets. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember what top he had on? Answer. I
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  Speaker 1: believe it was a maroon top. Question. And was there
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  Speaker 1: any other top layer that was collected that you recall? Answer.
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  Speaker 1: I don't recall. Question. Okay, let's go to. You said
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  Speaker 1: that there were a couple of homes that were searched there.
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  Speaker 1: Is that right? Answer. Yes. Question. Whose home was that? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: one of them was Mr. Robinson's and Mr. Twiggs, where
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  Speaker 1: they resided, and the other was Robinson's parents' residence. Question,
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  Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the defendant's home. Will
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  Speaker 1: you describe some of the items that were collected from
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  Speaker 1: that home? Answer, some items collected in that home were
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  Speaker 1: a Dremel tool and its bits container, as well as
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  Speaker 1: two Remington boxes of. 30- 06 ammunition, as well as. 30- 06
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  Speaker 1: cartridge cases, and a handful of long guns or rifles
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  Speaker 1: or revolver. as well as a burned paper. Question, all right,
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  Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the clothing as well.
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  Speaker 1: Was any clothing collected from the townhome? Answer, yes, there was. Question,
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  Speaker 1: how about shoes? Answer, yes. Question, what kind of shoes? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: two shoes were collected from the home. One was a
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  Speaker 1: Converse shoe, gray in color with white laces, I believe
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  Speaker 1: size 10 and a half. Then the other Converse shoe
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  Speaker 1: were also gray, but they had gray laces instead. But
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  Speaker 1: there were of different size that I can't remember. Question,
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  Speaker 1: I think you said that you collected boxes of ammunition.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember what caliber that ammunition was? Answer, yes, sir.
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  Speaker 1: A handful, but the one that I recall was. 30- 06. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and you also said you found some cartridge cases. Do
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  Speaker 1: you remember what caliber those cartridge cases were? Answer, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Those were also. 30- 06. Question, if we can display just
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  Speaker 1: to the witness Exhibit 23, do you recognize plaintiff Exhibit 23? Answer, yes,
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  Speaker 1: I do. Question. And is this an accurate photograph of
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  Speaker 1: the cartridge casings and some of the bullets that you found? Answer. Yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: I would move the admission of plaintiff's exhibit 23. Judge Graff. Defense. Defense.
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  Speaker 1: No further objections, Your Honor. Judge Graff. All right. I'll
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  Speaker 1: note the standing objections by the defense. Overrule those objections
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  Speaker 1: and admit into evidence state exhibit 23. As to the publication, Mr. McBride. Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I would move to publish at all three levels. Judge Graff,
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  Speaker 1: all right. It's published to the courtroom. As well, it
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  Speaker 1: may be broadcast via the camera. Question, as that's coming up,
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  Speaker 1: where did you find these? Answer, I found these in
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  Speaker 1: what we would consider the spare bedroom right next to
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  Speaker 1: Tyler's bedroom on top of the safe. Question, how do
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  Speaker 1: you know which bedroom was Tyler's bedroom? Answer, we determined
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  Speaker 1: that based off of such documents we found in what
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  Speaker 1: we believe was Tyler's bedroom, such as mail, that was
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  Speaker 1: addressed to him, as well as some school documents as well. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and again, will you describe the layout of the house
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  Speaker 1: in that area? Answer, yeah. So this was on the
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  Speaker 1: second floor as you're coming up the stairs. If you
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  Speaker 1: turn left up the stairs, you're going to run into
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  Speaker 1: two bedrooms, and that is on the south end of
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  Speaker 1: the residence. The southeast bedroom would be Tyler's, and then
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  Speaker 1: the southwest would be the spare bedroom. Again, if you
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  Speaker 1: go back to the stairs and you make a right-hand turn,
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  Speaker 1: That's where you're now on the north end of the residence,
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  Speaker 1: and that's now Twig's bedroom. Question, and where were these
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  Speaker 1: items found? Answer, these were found on the southwest, or
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  Speaker 1: in the southwest bedroom, the one right next to Tyler's bedroom. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and you said on top of the safe? Answer, yes. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: all right. Will you describe what we're looking at in
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  Speaker 1: Exhibit 23? Answer, Exhibit 23 are the five cartridge casings
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  Speaker 1: we found on top of the safe. All were. 30- 06
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  Speaker 1: Springfield caliber, and one of them had an engraving that
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  Speaker 1: said test shot on it. Question, you've talked about Springfield, Remington, those. 30- 06.
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  Speaker 1: Are they the same type around as was found in
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  Speaker 1: the gun? Answer, yes. Question, all right. Did you find any.
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  Speaker 1: 30- 06 weapons in that house? Answer, no, I did not. Question,
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  Speaker 1: all right. Did you search the closet on the first floor? Answer, yes,
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  Speaker 1: I did. Question, what did you find in the closet? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: in the closet, we found on the ground some shooting
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  Speaker 1: targets with perforations in it. As well as on the shelf,
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  Speaker 1: we found a Dremel tool with a bits container. Question, alright,
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  Speaker 1: a Dremel tool with bits. What's a Dremel tool? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: it's basically like a handheld device where you can make
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  Speaker 1: etchings or engravings on things. Question, what are bits? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: bits would be, I guess, like a sharp edge or
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  Speaker 1: something that would actually cause the etchings that you would
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  Speaker 1: put into the tool. Question. Is this kind of like
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  Speaker 1: a drill bit? Answer. Yes. Question. Okay. And what did
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  Speaker 1: you do with the Dremel and the bits? Answer. We
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  Speaker 1: photographed them in place, took additional pictures, packaged them, then
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  Speaker 1: sent them for testing to the ATF. Question. All right.
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  Speaker 1: You also mentioned targets. Were those targets photographed? Answer. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: they were. Question. I want to show you on your end.
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  Speaker 1: Have you reviewed plaintiff's exhibit 25 before? Answer. Yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: And is that an accurate photograph of those targets that
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  Speaker 1: you found? Answer, yes. Question. I move to admission of
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  Speaker 1: State Exhibit 25. Judge Graff, defense. Defense, no further objections.
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  Speaker 1: Judge Graff, all right. I note the standing objection, and
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  Speaker 1: those objections are overruled. Did you want to, what did
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  Speaker 1: you want to do in regards to publication? Prosecution. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I'm so used to admission before publishing, I move to
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  Speaker 1: publish those at all three levels. Judge Graff, all right.
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  Speaker 1: Any further comment from defense? Defense, no further objections. Judge Graff,
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  Speaker 1: all right. Noting the standing objections, those are overruled. State
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  Speaker 1: Exhibit 25 is admitted into evidence and may be published
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  Speaker 1: in the courtroom, as well as captured by the media camera. Question,
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  Speaker 1: will you describe what we're looking at here? Answer, yes.
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  Speaker 1: So these were shooting targets we found in the closet,
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  Speaker 1: and each of them have perforations in them. Question, when
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  Speaker 1: you say perforations, what do you mean? Answer, holes in them. Question,
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  Speaker 1: those holes consistent. Now we have an objection by the defense. Objection,
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  Speaker 1: foundation on this opinion. Judge Graff, prosecution, do you want
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  Speaker 1: to weigh in upon that objection? Prosecution, no, I'll submit it.
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  Speaker 1: I'll lay the foundation if the objection's sustained. Judge Graff,
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  Speaker 1: I'll sustain the objection. Prosecution, all right, holes. Have you
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  Speaker 1: ever shot a gun before? Answer, yes, I have. Question,
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  Speaker 1: when you hit a target, what happens to the target
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  Speaker 1: when it's hit with a bullet? Answer, hit with a bullet.
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  Speaker 1: There's holes in there. We call those perforations because there's
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  Speaker 1: an entrance as well as an exit. Question, looking at
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  Speaker 1: state exhibit 25. I'm going to ask some questions that
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  Speaker 1: was objected to. You said there's perforations in those. Are
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  Speaker 1: those consistent with bullet holes? Answer, yes. Question, and I
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  Speaker 1: would ask you to describe where those perforations are. There's
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  Speaker 1: three targets here, right? Answer, yes. Question, let's look at
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  Speaker 1: the far right target first. Where are the perforations in
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  Speaker 1: relation to the bullseye? Answer, they're all probably within 7, 6,
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  Speaker 1: and 8 ring. Question, is there a perforation up at
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  Speaker 1: the upper left-hand corner of that rightmost target? Answer, yes
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  Speaker 1: there is. Question, do any of those hit the bullseye? Answer, no. Question, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Looking at the center target, will you describe where the
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  Speaker 1: perforations are in relation to the bullseye there? Answer, it's closer,
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  Speaker 1: but still not. Most of them are to the left
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  Speaker 1: of the bullseye rings. I would say nine and eight. Question,
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  Speaker 1: all right, and then the leftmost target, will you describe
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  Speaker 1: where the perforations are there? Answer, yeah, the perforations are
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  Speaker 1: actually closer to the bullseye as well, actually one being
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  Speaker 1: in it. Question, okay, all right. You described also collecting
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  Speaker 1: a burnt note. We can take down 25, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Will you describe where that note was found and what
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  Speaker 1: it looked like to you? Answer, yeah, the burnt note
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  Speaker 1: was found in the trash located in the kitchen. The
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  Speaker 1: way it looked to me, it looked like, say, you're
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  Speaker 1: at a campfire and someone burns paper. Question, what was
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  Speaker 1: done with that? Answer, that was also collected and that
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  Speaker 1: was sent to the FBI for analysis. Question, was it photographed? Answer, yes,
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  Speaker 1: it was. Question, and have you reviewed State Exhibit 24? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: is that a photograph of the note? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: I moved the admission of Plaintiff Exhibit 24. Judge Graff,
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  Speaker 1: any objections? Defense, no further objections. Judge Graff, all right,
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  Speaker 1: in publication. Prosecution, I move to publish at all three levels.
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  Speaker 1: Judge Graff, okay, I'm going to note the standing objection
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  Speaker 1: by defense, overrule those objections, and state exhibit 24 is
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  Speaker 1: admitted into evidence. and may be published in the courtroom
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  Speaker 1: and may be captured by the media camera. Question by
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  Speaker 1: the prosecution, do you see here on the screen Plaintiff
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  Speaker 1: Exhibit 24? Answer, yes, I do. Question, it looks like
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  Speaker 1: as to the evidence tag, it's actually upside down. Is
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  Speaker 1: that right? Answer, yes. Question, Does it look like there's
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  Speaker 1: any writing on that note, on that burnt paper? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: will you point out for the judge where the writing is? Answer, yeah. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and describe what you're pointing at, kind of the general
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  Speaker 1: location on the image. Answer, so the part I'm pointing
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  Speaker 1: out is the paper that you can still see the
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  Speaker 1: lines in them and some handwriting as well to the
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  Speaker 1: left edge of that piece of paper. Question, all right.
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  Speaker 1: Have you also observed the image of a note that
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  Speaker 1: was recovered from Lance Twigg's phone? Answer, yes. Question, I'd
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  Speaker 1: like to show you side-by-side Exhibit 24. And there on
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  Speaker 1: the left, you see Exhibit. See Exhibit 24, do you see? Answer, yes,
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  Speaker 1: I do. Question, and on the right, you see, excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: on the right, it's 24. On the left, it's 16.
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  Speaker 1: Judge Graff, let me stop you, Prosecution. I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 1: Is this being broadcast? Prosecution, let's take that down. Judge Graff,
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  Speaker 1: all right. Prosecution, Exhibit 24. Thank you, Your Honor. Excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: Exhibit 16.3. I would move to publish Exhibit 16-3 and
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  Speaker 1: 24 side-by-side. I think they're currently on the council monitors.
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  Speaker 1: Judge Graff, so 16.3 has already been admitted. Defense, without electronic. Prosecution,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't remember the court's order. If this was
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  Speaker 1: to be captured by electronic media or not. Judge Graff,
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  Speaker 1: it was not. Prosecution, okay. Judge Graff, does that comport
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  Speaker 1: with the defense's memory? Defense, it does. Judge Graff, all right,
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  Speaker 1: so 16.3 was published to the courtroom, but not captured
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  Speaker 1: by the media. Prosecution, very well. Judge Graff, and what's
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  Speaker 1: your request? Prosecution, to comply with the court's order. Judge Graff,
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  Speaker 1: all right, so 16.3 and Exhibit 24 may be published
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  Speaker 1: only side-by-side to the courtroom itself, but not to be
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  Speaker 1: captured by the camera. Also acknowledging that the magistrate can
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  Speaker 1: weigh the evidence is not weighing in on his evidence.
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  Speaker 1: solely admitting it. Well, it's already been admitted, but as
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  Speaker 1: it relates to the testimony, the court is going to
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  Speaker 1: overrule the objection and allow the testimony to be given. Again,
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  Speaker 1: whether the court accepts or doesn't accept that will be
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  Speaker 1: a determination made when determining probable cause. Question. By the prosecution,
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  Speaker 1: do you see any consistencies that you're able? Inaudible. Did
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  Speaker 1: you also collect the defendant's car? Answer. Yes. Question. Where
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  Speaker 1: did you collect that from? Answer. No. That was collected
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  Speaker 1: from Robinson's parents' home. Question, and will you describe that vehicle? Answer, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The vehicle is, say, a gray-colored Dodge Challenger. All right, folks,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to wrap up right here. And in the
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  Speaker 1: next episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick
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  Speaker 1: up where we left off. All the information that goes
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