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Tammy Hembrow Deep Dive Episode 2: Tammy Hembrow and Reece Hawkin's 'Bitter War' · Outspoken the Podcast

• 0:02
  Speaker 1: Tammy Hembrough is Australia's most talked about influencer. At 19,
• 0:06
  Speaker 1: she made it big on social media when she shared
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: her fitness journey while pregnant.
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  Speaker 2: This is my first vlog again, so it might be
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  Speaker 2: a little bad.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if.
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  Speaker 4: It's going to be boring or what, but I hope
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  Speaker 4: you guys enjoy it.
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  Speaker 1: Tammy's life is far from boring. The fitness influencer and
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: her family are Australia's answer to the Kardashians. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: she's even been involved in a few Kardashian scandals herself.
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  Speaker 1: A model explains why she had to leave Kylie Jenner's
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles birthday party in a stretcher. By sharing her
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  Speaker 1: life online, Tammy has attracted over 20 million followers and
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  Speaker 1: built an empire worth $ 50 million. What has really kept
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: her followers glued are her romantic relationships. Over the last
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  Speaker 1: 10 years, the internet has borne witness to three engagements,
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  Speaker 1: three children, one epic wedding and now a divorce. We
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  Speaker 1: are journalists Sophie and Kate Torber, and in this special
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  Speaker 1: Outspoken series, we explored the real story behind the rise
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  Speaker 1: of Tammy Hambro. When we last left you, Tammy and
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  Speaker 1: Rhys had just broken up. After weeks of speculation, on
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  Speaker 1: the 8th of June 2018, Tammy confirmed the news to
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  Speaker 1: fans in a YouTube video aptly titled, Life Update, We
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  Speaker 1: Broke Up. Let's throw to some of what she said.
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  Speaker 4: So a couple of months ago, or somewhere between one
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  Speaker 4: and two months ago, I decided to end things with Grace.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't cheat on me. I didn't cheat on him.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't like that at all. There's just, I don't, honestly,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to go into the ins and outs
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  Speaker 3: of our relationship. Obviously we're human. We're not perfect. There's,
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  Speaker 3: we have ups and downs like everybody else, just like you.
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  Speaker 1: Tammy went on to reveal that she was unsure whether
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  Speaker 1: she should make the video or not, but she had
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  Speaker 1: received so many questions about her relationship status with Reese
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  Speaker 1: that she didn't want people to think that she was
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  Speaker 1: ignoring them. And you could tell how difficult it was
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  Speaker 1: for Tammy to actually make the video. She said that
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  Speaker 1: she and Reese still loved each other very much and
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  Speaker 1: will always be family because of the kids. She also
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  Speaker 1: prefaced her kids' health and happiness came first. She then
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  Speaker 1: said this.
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  Speaker 4: It's a super hard situation, especially when there's kids involved.
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  Speaker 4: Everything is just a million times harder than a regular breakup,
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  Speaker 4: in my opinion. I don't want people to think that
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  Speaker 4: we just gave up or anything. Most people would know
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  Speaker 4: there's a lot more to relationships. Relationships are very complex.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting because a few times during the video, she
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  Speaker 1: said that they were currently broken up, which made it
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  Speaker 1: sound like there was some room for reconciliation. She also
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  Speaker 1: explained that she had taken a while to speak about
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  Speaker 1: it because they were still working on things on their own.
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  Speaker 1: When this news broke, there were so many fans who
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  Speaker 1: were devastated because they were absolutely invested in this relationship.
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  Speaker 1: Tammy and Reese had really painted themselves as this hashtag
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  Speaker 1: couple goals. They were living the life that so many
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  Speaker 1: people wanted to live with this young family and they
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  Speaker 1: were incredibly glamorous. There were also a lot of disillusioned
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  Speaker 1: fans who felt as though they had been lied to
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  Speaker 1: and accused the couple of portraying a perfect relationship, when
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  Speaker 1: in reality, it was clearly far from the truth. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and this was a big turning point for Tammy Hembrough, Sophie.
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  Speaker 1: As you said, a lot of people were disillusioned by
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  Speaker 1: her content. I mean, we've got to remember, this was
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  Speaker 1: in 2018 as well, so seven years ago, when people
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  Speaker 1: weren't so savvy about online relationships, and also the fact
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  Speaker 1: that a lot of influencers just share their highlight reel.
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  Speaker 5: In July, Reece shared his own statement about the breakup
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  Speaker 5: to his YouTube channel. At the time, he was holidaying
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  Speaker 5: in Bali with his best friends. Here's a snippet of
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  Speaker 5: what he said.
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  Speaker 6: So, obviously, I definitely need to address a few things
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  Speaker 6: with all of you guys. Tammy uploaded a YouTube video
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  Speaker 6: a little while ago about us breaking up. I don't
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  Speaker 6: really know why she did or, you know, 100%. I
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  Speaker 6: didn't really want it to happen. And, you know, it's
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  Speaker 6: been a pretty rough couple of months. trying to deal
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  Speaker 6: with the fact you know like rejection I guess it
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  Speaker 6: is I've been rejected by someone so that's been kind
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  Speaker 6: of rough it's been probably the hardest you know two
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  Speaker 6: three months of my life like I said I'm not
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  Speaker 6: sure why a hundred percent why we were having a
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  Speaker 6: few disagreements and things but yeah again it wasn't It
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  Speaker 6: just wasn't my decision and you guys can ask her
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  Speaker 6: as to why because I'm not going to try and
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  Speaker 6: say an opinion that might not be true.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't know.
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  Speaker 5: It's interesting that he released this video a couple of
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  Speaker 5: months after the breakup and was still claiming that he
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  Speaker 5: didn't fully know why Tammy broke up with him. I
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  Speaker 5: think it was a bit of a strategy to try
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  Speaker 5: and shift the narrative and make himself the victim of
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  Speaker 5: Because he was really pulling at the heartstrings by saying
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  Speaker 5: that he was rejected and blindsided.
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  Speaker 1: Now, two months after the breakup announcement, Tammy Hembrough hit
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  Speaker 1: rock bottom. She made headlines when she was stretchered out
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  Speaker 1: of Kylie Jenner's 21st birthday party after she reportedly collapsed.
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  Speaker 1: Unfortunately for Tammy, paparazzi were waiting out the front of
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  Speaker 1: the venue and photographed her face down on the stretcher.
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  Speaker 1: The incident actually happened before Kylie Jenner had even arrived
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  Speaker 1: at the party. I remember when this story broke at
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  Speaker 1: the time that there was a lot of speculation as
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  Speaker 1: to who this guest was at the party, because as
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned, Kate, Tammy was lying face down on the stretcher.
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  Speaker 1: So it led to a big guessing game. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that this made the story even bigger when it
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  Speaker 1: was then revealed that it was Tammy. Yeah, I feel
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  Speaker 1: for Tammy in this situation. It's like it's a guessing
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  Speaker 1: game and you're hoping that no one knew it was you. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Tammy was invited to Kylie's 21st after striking up a
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  Speaker 1: friendship with the Kardashians after she modeled for Khloe's brand,
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  Speaker 1: Good American. And it was actually Khloe who was a
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  Speaker 1: fan of Tammy. So Khloe followed Tammy's fitness journey and
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: publicly stated that Tammy had influenced her own fitness journey.
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  Speaker 1: It was in late 2017 when Khloe's team reached out
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  Speaker 1: to Tammy and asked her to model for the brand.
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  Speaker 1: And Tammy documented the whole Good American shoot as well
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  Speaker 1: as her meeting Khloe. Let's have a listen.
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  Speaker 7: This just shows the international reach that Tammy Hembrough has.
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  Speaker 3: I think living in Australia.
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  Speaker 7: You forget just how many followers she has all over
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  Speaker 7: the world.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, her connection to the Kardashians also helped her
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  Speaker 1: grow even further. Now, following the incident at Kylie Jenner's
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  Speaker 1: birthday party, media reported that the Kardashians weren't happy with
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  Speaker 1: Tammy and claimed that Kim, Kourtney, Kendall and Kris all
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: unfollowed her while Kylie and Khloe remained following. Kylie Jenner
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  Speaker 1: nor any of the Kardashians have actually ever publicly commented
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  Speaker 1: on the event. Now, at the time, this stretcher incident
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  Speaker 1: was absolutely massive, Kate. It made global headlines and Tammy
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  Speaker 1: ended up releasing a now deleted YouTube video explaining what happened.
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  Speaker 1: Here's some of what she said.
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  Speaker 2: So basically what happened is I was in LA. I
• 7:27
  Speaker 2: was running off pretty much 30 hours, no sleep. I
• 7:30
  Speaker 2: was struggling to stay awake. Even when I was getting
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  Speaker 2: my hair and makeup done, I was literally sitting there
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  Speaker 2: like falling asleep. Like I could barely keep my eyes open.
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  Speaker 1: Tammy went on to say she should not have been
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  Speaker 1: drinking when she had such little sleep. Interestingly, she blamed
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: her impulsive behaviour on her recent breakup with Rhys Hawkins.
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  Speaker 2: I think because of the breakup, I've been trying to
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  Speaker 2: keep myself busy and not really taking time to think
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  Speaker 2: about how I'm actually feeling or focusing.
• 8:01
  Speaker 3: On myself kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: Tammy ended the video by calling out the trolling she'd
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  Speaker 1: been receiving. She ended up breaking down in tears when
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: she thanked her supporters. Let's take a listen.
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  Speaker 2: Another thing I wanted to bring up is just people
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  Speaker 2: trolling or being nasty or making up things.
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  Speaker 3: Just for no good reason.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I personally could never imagine attacking someone or
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  Speaker 2: judging someone for something like this. Thank you guys for
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  Speaker 2: all the people who have sent supportive and kind messages.
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  Speaker 2: I'm super grateful for it because I know I have
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  Speaker 2: a lot of true fans.
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  Speaker 1: While Tammy experienced a lot of trolling over this incident,
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  Speaker 1: She also received an outpouring of support. Fans on Twitter
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  Speaker 1: came out in defense of her with one writing, Tammy
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  Speaker 1: Hembrough only broke up with the man she was meant
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  Speaker 1: to marry recently. Let the woman be a drunk ass
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  Speaker 1: bitch in peace. Another said, Tammy Hembrough getting unfollowed by
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  Speaker 1: the Kardashians for being too drunk and vomiting at their
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: event is absolutely iconic. I want to be her friend. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Tammy recently shed more light on the incident in her book,
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  Speaker 1: She called the moment her rock bottom and said she
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: went from media darling to public enemy. As for the night,
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  Speaker 1: she said it was highly stressful and embarrassing and claimed
• 9:18
  Speaker 1: that she only had one or two drinks before she collapsed.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Do we actually believe that? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to think she's telling the truth. She says
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  Speaker 1: she had very little sleep, but do we think the
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  Speaker 1: Kardashians didn't fly her over in business class? Oh, I
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  Speaker 1: think it's all a bit of an excuse. We've got
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  Speaker 1: to remember, Tammy would have only been 24 at the time.
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  Speaker 1: She'd been Flown over by the Kardashians to attend this
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  Speaker 1: birthday party, she'd just broken up with her baby daddy
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  Speaker 1: and fiance. Who isn't getting on the drinks at an
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: event like that? I'm sure all of the drinks would
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  Speaker 1: have been paid for. I mean, do we really blame her?
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  Speaker 1: I feel sorry for her. It'd be so humiliating because
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  Speaker 1: she said she woke up in hospital to find that
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  Speaker 1: there were these pictures published of her being carried out
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  Speaker 1: of the party on a stretch. And in her book,
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  Speaker 1: she wrote, I kept telling myself there is only up
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  Speaker 1: from here. It was a very dark time and I
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: had to shut out the trolls and the hate I
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  Speaker 1: was getting. I understand that this would be bad for
• 10:09
  Speaker 1: her image considering she was pushing this very clean eating,
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: healthy fitness influencer aesthetic. But I think that it also
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: got her more known internationally, I'd be interested to know
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  Speaker 1: how many extra followers she got off the back of
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  Speaker 1: this incident. Yeah, it's kind of a case of all
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  Speaker 1: publicity is good publicity, particularly when you're juxtapositioned next to
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  Speaker 1: the Kardashians. Now, two months after the incident, Reese Hawkins
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: announced he had a new girlfriend, American model London Gowan. Now,
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: it's rumored that London was sliding into Reese's DMs before
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: Tammy had even posted their breakup video. After Reese broke
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: the news, Tammy ended up sharing a cryptic quote on Instagram.
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: We know she loves a bit of a quote, which read,
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: breakups hurt, but losing someone who doesn't respect and appreciate
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: you is actually a gain, not a loss. She did
• 10:59
  Speaker 1: end up deleting the post though shortly afterwards. She followed
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: it up though with an Instagram story saying, man, if
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: people knew the truth about some people biting my tongue
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  Speaker 1: so hard, it's going to bleed when I'm done. London
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  Speaker 1: ended up going back at Tammy and posted a selfie
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  Speaker 1: with the caption, Hey, hey, you, you, I don't like
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  Speaker 1: your girlfriend. Those, of course, are iconic Avril Lavigne lyrics.
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  Speaker 1: That post was also swiftly deleted. Tammy ended up ignoring
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: London's pot shot and she took the higher road. Instead,
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  Speaker 1: she posted a selfie with her kids, Wolf and Saskia,
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  Speaker 1: with the caption, I want to spend each moment of
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: the day with you. Now, following the cryptic post, Tammy
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  Speaker 1: gave an interview to a magazine and said, You have
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: a picture of what you think your life is going
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  Speaker 1: to be like and then circumstances change and people change too.
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  Speaker 1: We were young when we got together and still figuring
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: things out. I think when people are weighing in on
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: your personal life or you're trying to understand things yourself,
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  Speaker 1: it can feel like a lot of pressure. I share
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: so much of my life so I understand that my
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: followers online wanted to know what was going on. People
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: were wanting to know what happened before we even knew
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: what was going on. As for Tammy's love life, it
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: was rumored that she was in an on-again, off-again romance
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: with Canadian rapper Jaquoy Palmer around the time of this
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: hard launch. Now, things started to get nasty around this point.
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  Speaker 1: A month later, Reece publicly criticized Tammy's approach to sharing
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: their children online. During an Instagram Q & A, someone
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: wrote in saying, where are your kids, mate? Why out
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  Speaker 1: there wasting time instead of being a dad? Reece responded saying,
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  Speaker 1: I've seen my kids every day last week. I just
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: don't feel the need to post them all the time.
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: They're getting older and have their own personalities and they
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: can choose if they want to be posted or not
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: when they're a bit older. I just let them be
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: kids and try and enjoy my time with them on
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: the days I get to spend time and see them
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: for now. Now, this wasn't the first time Reese revealed
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: he didn't like his children being online. Shortly after the
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: split at a PR event, Reese said, within the next
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  Speaker 1: 12 months, I'll take my children off all of my
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  Speaker 1: social media accounts. Just because they're starting to get their
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: own personalities and things like that. I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: force them into anything they don't want to do or
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: make them take a picture when they don't want to.
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  Speaker 1: They're their own people. They're not babies anymore. People recognize them.
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  Speaker 1: It'd be really tough to navigate. What do you do
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  Speaker 1: when two parents have conflicting views about how they want
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  Speaker 1: to share their children online? Particularly when they're not together anymore.
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  Speaker 1: And particularly when one of the parents has 17 million followers.
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  Speaker 1: It seemed like it was just a way for Reese
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: to have a bit of a dig at Tammy, though,
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: because he was complicit in sharing them when they were together.
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: Things really went full circle in January 2019 when rumors
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  Speaker 1: emerged that Tammy was dating Kylie Jenner's ex-boyfriend, Tiger, after
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: being spotted kissing him at the Rolling Loud Festival in Sydney.
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: She was also seen following the rapper around Australia during
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: his tour and hanging out backstage. Now, In terms of
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: a timeline, Kylie Jenner dated Tyga two years earlier. So
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: there wasn't a close crossover, but it clearly would have
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: pissed Kylie off considering they were friends. Oh, well, close enough.
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: And it also would have backed up these rumours that
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: the Kardashians weren't happy with her. Tyga is someone who
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: doesn't mind dating within the same circles. His ex-girlfriend, Blac Chyna,
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: famously dated Rob Kardashian and they actually had a baby together. Now,
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: Tammy and Tiger's relationship is believed to have lasted around
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: 10 months, with Tiger even writing a song about Tammy.
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  Speaker 1: The song is called Wet Wipes, very romantic, and as
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: you can probably tell by the title, it's an X-rated
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  Speaker 1: song about a sexual encounter with a woman called Tammy.
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: Let's play a snippet so we don't have to read
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  Speaker 1: out the lyrics.
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  Speaker 7: When you hear that someone's written a song about you,
• 14:42
  Speaker 7: you probably get all excited thinking it's this great love song.
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  Speaker 3: And then to hear those lyrics.
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: I personally wouldn't be thrilled about it. It is kind
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: of iconic in a way, though. Like, you know, she's
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: known for her ass. I mean, he's mentioned it in
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: the lyrics. Now, Tammy later confirmed on her podcast, Hanging
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: With The Hembros, that the song was about her and
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: she said she had approved the lyrics but admitted that
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: they had been blown out of proportion. She also went
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: on to claim that she and Tyga were just friends,
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: saying that people are ridiculous. and that she's literally just
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: friends with him. She said, I've been to a bunch
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: of his shows and I'm just friends with people that
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: he's friends with. So, again, take a shot every time
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: she said friends. How can she say that, though, when
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: she confirmed that the song lyrics were about her and
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: that she had approved them? Like, it doesn't really make
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: a whole lot of sense. I suppose she's saying that
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: it's just a made-up scenario and it's all a bit
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: of a laugh. Well, it appears Tammy's relationship with Tiger
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: hit a nerve with Rhys Hawkins. A month after the
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: relationship rumours surfaced, Reeves called Tammy out on his Instagram story.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: His main gripe was to do with Tammy repossessing his
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Range Rover. Let's have a listen to what he said.
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  Speaker 8: Basically, nothing has gone to plan or ended well. And
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  Speaker 8: I just wanted to let you guys know that I've
• 16:26
  Speaker 8: basically tried really, really hard to with my separation from
• 16:32
  Speaker 8: my ex and everything like that to get it settled
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  Speaker 8: and be amicable.
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  Speaker 9: So, yeah, sadly I lost my Range Rover yesterday. They
• 16:42
  Speaker 9: got repossessed. She decided that I didn't need that either.
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  Speaker 9: So I don't have a car to even pick my
• 16:51
  Speaker 9: kids up anymore.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, why should Tammy be paying for this guy's
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Range Rover? Take it off the guy. He can get
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: around in something else. No sympathy there from you. No,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: I actually remember this story coming out because it was
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: around the time that we thought about launching a podcast
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: and we're like, oh my God, there's just so many
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: great stories like this out there because this was a
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: massive story at the time. Well, Rhys went on to
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: claim that Tammy was planning to sue him and he
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: also accused her of, quote, following musicians around America. Obviously,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: that's a dig about Tiger. Rhys later told the Daily
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Mail as well that he was in a bitter war
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: with Tammy and said at the moment there was no contact. Now,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Tammy was quick to hit back on her own Instagram
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  Speaker 1: story saying this.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm not about to air my dirty laundry
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  Speaker 2: on social media. I don't think it's appropriate to talk
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: about some things. I don't want to put anyone in
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: a negative light, especially the father of my kids. No
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: matter what, I'm not going to do that. But basically,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: in response to the car thing that he's talking about,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: that's not the full story.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: It's not true at all. Now, while she prefaced that
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: she didn't want to speak badly about the father of
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: her kids, she did provide a bit of a burn
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: at the end. She said, if I'm letting someone use
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: my Range Rover, they shouldn't expect me to pay their
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: speeding fines and registration. Simple as that. And she has
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: a very good point. It's quite ironic at the start
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: of that Instagram story that Tammy said she wasn't about
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: airing people's dirty laundry, but then added that little dig
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: in at the end. There seems to be more at
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: play here than just the Range Rover, though, because The
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: main issue seemed to be that Tammy wanted to move
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: to LA, but Rhys didn't want to. According to Rhys,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Tammy promised the car to him to convince him to
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: move with her. However, when things didn't work out with Tiger,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Tammy apparently changed her mind about moving and subsequently about
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Rhys having the car. It's really confusing to look back
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: at this now as Rhys ended up trying to move
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: to the US with London and his son Stone, and
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: he now lives in Bali away from all three of
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: his children. Now, after a seven month hiatus from YouTube,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Reese returned to the platform at the end of August
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: 2019 to share about how his breakup with Tammy had
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: affected him. And he was very candid in this chat.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: He admitted that it had been the hardest period of
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: his life. In the now deleted YouTube, he said, the
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: past year has been super fucked up. It's been a
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: hard time. I'm not going to lie. I've had a
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: couple of bouts of depression and anxiety. I've actually been
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: put on mild antidepressants just to help me get back everything.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: I've struggled to eat for a long time. A lot
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: of you guys would have seen how much weight I
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: lost because of the depression I was going through. Rhys
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: explained over the last year he had to move three
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: times so he could be near his kids. He said
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: he'd just gotten back from LA and revealed there had
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: been a change of plans. He said he was still
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: waiting on a few things with the kids but things
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: never panned out over there. He then said I ended
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: up coming back to Australia because I need to be, well,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to be quite involved with the kids. Now
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: at the time, Tammy was in the US with MTV
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Australia working at the Video Music Awards. Now if we
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: fast forward to February 2020, it appears like a lot
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: had been going on behind the scenes because Tammy and
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Reese were suddenly on better terms. Reese even appeared in
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: one of Tammy's YouTube videos when he was picking up
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: the kids for them to come and stay with him.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: And in this video, Tammy said that she and Reese
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: were now on friendly terms after years of fighting.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Right now, we're going to daddy's house. Wolf's school bag
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: is at Reese's, so I've got to go get it.
• 20:32
  Speaker 7: Look who it is.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: What's up?
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: We're friends, guys. Do you love that, folks?
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: People are going to be like.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: This is awkward. Oh my God, no. They will be. Guys,
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: we're actually friends now. Rhys is so nice to me now.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: Aren't you? Tell them.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Tell them how nice you are.
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: I've always been nice from the day we met.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Rhys, I think we should do a video together about
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: like co-parenting.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: I take that as a yes.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Tammy then told the camera that Rhys is just so
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: nice to her now. She said me and Rhys weren't
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: getting along for the longest time. We broke up so,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: so long ago now, and it took us pretty much
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: this long to start getting along. It is what I've
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: always wanted, so I am really happy. One person who
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: wasn't happy about it, though, was London Reese's girlfriend. In
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: an Instagram Q & A, she was asked how she
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: felt about Tammy's vlog. Let's have a listen to what
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: she said.
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: Funny question. I feel it was very put on and
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: a dig at me, which is fine. I don't care
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: for the drama. It's a little ridiculous, but you know.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I think it's important to put it out there that
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: London and Reese were still very much together when she
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: shared this Q & A. Yeah, she clearly wasn't happy
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: with him at the time. She even answered a question
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: about what triggers her and Reese's fights. I don't think
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: she was that honest though, because She admitted that, of course,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: like every couple they fight, but then claimed their biggest
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: fight was over food. I think it's probably over Tammy.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: And as expected, Tammy's fans went off at London, which
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: then forced Reece to address the incident on his own
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: YouTube channel. In the now deleted video, Reece apologized for
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: his past actions following his split from Tammy. He also
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: said it was him dragging London into the drama with
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: his ex. He also said he was the one who
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: dragged London into the drama with his ex. and was
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: to blame for making her feel insecure enough for her
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: to come at Tammy on social media. He then claimed
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: everyone was all good friends now. Now, as you can imagine,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Rhys copped a lot of backlash over his comments, and
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: not long after, he deleted the video alongside all the
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: videos on his YouTube channel. Now, on the 1st of
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: August 2020, London revealed that Rhys had popped the question
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: to her in Port Douglas. Now, the couple were staying
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: at the Sheraton Grand Mirage Resort, And they got engaged
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: in their room before heading down to dinner in the ballroom.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I do want to inject myself into this story here.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: This is where I went for my honeymoon. Oh, so
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: you'd be very familiar with these rooms. Perhaps you stayed
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: in the room that Rhys proposed to London in. Who knows? Now,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: London shared photos of the couple showing off the ring
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: with the caption, forever and always, baby. Rhys shared the news,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: but only on his Instagram story, not on his main grid.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: And he only just linked back to London's post. He
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: didn't make a post of his own. I feel like
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: that's because he was having a bit of a social
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: media blackout, though. He probably thought it looked a bit hypocritical,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: him deleting everything off YouTube and then suddenly posting about
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: his private life. Now, the ring in question was a
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Tiffany & Co. cushion cut halo yellow diamond on a
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: platinum band. The ring was estimated to be worth a
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: whopping $ 15, 000 to $ 26, 000. Why do I feel like now
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: in 2025, that's actually not that much?
• 23:49
  Speaker 9: Are you serious?
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: That is a huge amount of money on an engagement ring.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: It is an enormous amount of money, but I feel
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: like we are seeing the most ridiculous rings shared on
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: social media. That being said, most of them now are
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: lab diamonds. Well, I was going to say that I
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: think we're only seeing bigger rings at the moment because
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: people are buying lab diamonds. I mean, Brittany Hockley revealed
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: that hers was a lab diamond. It's actually a really
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: ethical way. And the ring looks exactly the same. Yeah,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I've been wondering why so many influencers have Kim Kardashian-sized
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: engagement rings now. Because you're like, surely they're not making
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: that much money.
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Well, a month later, on the 2nd of September 2020,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Reese and London announced they were expecting their first child together.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: London shared a photo of her and Reese kissing with
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: the caption, been busy growing a baby in my belly
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: with this one. What about you? Reese ended up sharing
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: an update of his own this time. He wrote, baby
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: mama alert, having a baby with the love of my
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: life and my best friend. It does put this proposal
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: into perspective a little bit and why there was perhaps
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: a rush for him to pop the question. Now, London
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: ended up surprising her followers by revealing she would be
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: sharing her pregnancy journey on OnlyFans. Now, at the time,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: I feel like we had only just started hearing about OnlyFans.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: And it still had the connotation though of being sexually
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: explicit content that was being shared. So this seemed kind
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: of wrong for someone to share a pregnancy journey on there. Yeah,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: it did shock a lot of people. London explained more
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: in her announcement saying, we've also been harassed to the
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: point where we've had to seek legal action a few
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: times due to harassment, bullying and stalking over the last year.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: With that being said, I've decided I'm going to share
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: my pregnancy journey on another platform where I feel safe
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: and positive. Oh, come on. It's not the fact that
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: you're making a lot of money off this subscription model
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: that that's why you want to share it on there.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: If you were being harassed and you felt like your
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: safety was in question, would you perhaps just not share
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: your pregnancy journey?
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I'd love to know how many people actually signed up
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: to this. I'm assuming the Daily Mail did and a
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: lot of other publications. Well, it also sounds hypocritical because
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Reece was sounding off about Tammy basically exploiting their children
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: and sharing them across social media. But then He's happy
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: to do the same with his unborn child for money.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I know. Hours after this pregnancy announcement went live, Tammy
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: posted a very telling update on her own Instagram story.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: In the video, she mimed to the song Pressure in
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: My Palms by Amni. Now, the lyric said, I hate
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: a bitch who thinks a baby finna keep a N.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: I hate you, ho. Okay. I mean, the message is
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: pretty loud and clear there. She's not happy about it.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: about this it was very awkward for london because at
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: the time of her pregnancy announcement super sleuths uncovered screenshots
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: of her liking and commenting on old family photos of
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: reese and tammy when they were together so she wrote
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: such a babe oh my god and obsessed with the
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: little family it was also revealed that london had been
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: liking reese's photos since march 2017 That is so awkward.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine how embarrassed you would be when this
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: news came out? This is just a rookie error, isn't it?
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: If you are going to date someone whose family you've
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: been a fan of, go and do a bit of
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: a clean out. Make sure that you haven't liked any
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: of the posts and delete any comments. And it adds
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: a little bit of validity to the rumors that she
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: slid into Reese's DMs before Tammy and him had really
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: broken up. Do you reckon Tammy was like, Gotcha. Do
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: you reckon she also found the comments or it really
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: was super sleuths? Yeah, you've got a good point there.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Maybe Tammy was the one that was searching through trying
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: to find the dirt on London. Now, the same week
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: London announced her pregnancy was Father's Day and Tammy used
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: the occasion to take a swipe at Reese. So she
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: uploaded a selfie with Saskia to her Instagram story with
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: the caption, Happy Father's Day to all the single mamas
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: and boss bitches doing it all. London was quick to
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: fire back using her own Instagram story, so she shared
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: a picture of Reese with Wolf and Saskia with the caption,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: best daddy. Wow, it's all getting very petty, isn't it?
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: And that is where we're going to leave things today.
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: Next time, we are diving into the era of Matt Poole,
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: or as Tammy fans like to call him, Matt the First.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: This episode has everything, an engagement, a baby, a breakup,
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: and even a reality TV show film crew.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Thank you again for listening to Outspoken. This podcast was
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: recorded on the traditional land of the Kaurna people of
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to elders past and present.