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The Kenny Report | 17 August · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Would you believe it?
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  Speaker 2: The ABC again caught out joking about getting rid of
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  Speaker 2: a famous right of center figure. On the same day,
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  Speaker 2: the National Broadcaster has pulled down more fake news stories.
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Abanese's national gun buy back only backed by one state,
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  Speaker 2: as the New South Wales opposition leader calls it out
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  Speaker 2: as a distraction from the alleged Islamist extremism behind the
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  Speaker 2: Bondai attack. The Bondai Royal Commission also attacked for not
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  Speaker 2: probing the people behind the due hatred at public protests. Also,
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister contradicted over that embarrassing podcast interview in
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  Speaker 2: the Lodge, with the hosts saying he knew what was
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  Speaker 2: coming his way. All that plus Gemytine Union Caroline Dorso,
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  Speaker 2: let's get cracking. The federal government's gun by plan is
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  Speaker 2: already in strife. It looks about as effective as the
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  Speaker 2: Victorian Labor government's ridiculous machete amnesty bins. Only the New
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  Speaker 2: South Wales Labor government has signed up to the gun
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  Speaker 2: buyback scheme so far, and even there the opposition leader
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  Speaker 2: Kelly Sloane has come out against the plan. In the
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  Speaker 2: wake of the horrors of the Bondai massacre, which was
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  Speaker 2: which police, of course alleged was an Islamist terror attack,
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  Speaker 2: Sloane worries that the gun buyback plan is a distraction
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  Speaker 2: from the real menace. Sloane ought to know on the
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  Speaker 2: night she went with an ambulance driver to the shooting
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  Speaker 2: site in the thick of the carnage while it was
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  Speaker 2: still unfolding.
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  Speaker 1: And here's what she said about all this yesterday, on.
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  Speaker 3: December fourteen last year, I walked into a massacre in
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  Speaker 3: my own community, and I saw the dead, and I
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  Speaker 3: saw the injured, and I know the trauma that people
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  Speaker 3: continue to live with to this very day. And for
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  Speaker 3: that reason, I am so invested in making sure that
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  Speaker 3: our community is.
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  Speaker 4: Safe, truly safe.
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  Speaker 3: But to suggest a gun by back is going to
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  Speaker 3: solve this for us, is going to stop another Bondai.
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  Speaker 4: It's absolute bullshit. And I'm sorry for the language.
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  Speaker 3: It's entirely unlike me, but I am frustrated and we
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  Speaker 3: need to make sure that we are addressing the real enemy.
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  Speaker 2: Powerful words, strongly felt, and I've got to say this
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  Speaker 2: focus on gun control struck me as a terrible political
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  Speaker 2: distraction from day one, and I said so the day
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  Speaker 2: after the atrocity at Bondai.
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  Speaker 1: Terrorists will use.
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  Speaker 2: Knives, guns, cars, planes, fire whatever they can. You can't
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  Speaker 2: battle is theamist extremism without taking on the hatred.
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  Speaker 5: Government is prepared to take whatever action is necessary. Included
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  Speaker 5: in that is the need for a gun laws.
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  Speaker 2: The gun debate is a distraction because even without guns,
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  Speaker 2: extremist rick havoc. We've seen that time and time again.
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  Speaker 2: When you focus on guns, you miss the main point,
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  Speaker 2: the ideology, the motivation. It seems pretty clear to me
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  Speaker 2: that Alberizi was fumbling around for a political response after
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  Speaker 2: this terror attack, the worst in the nation's history. After
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  Speaker 2: community leaders, commentators, experts and individuals had begged the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister for more than two years to take a stronger
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  Speaker 2: stand against anti Semitism and Islamist extremism, the best Albanizi
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  Speaker 2: could come up with was to mimic John Howard's gun
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  Speaker 2: by that response to the Port Arthur massacre, a completely
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  Speaker 2: different episode, dealing with a different threat at a different time.
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  Speaker 2: Sloan was on point about all this again this morning.
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  Speaker 3: We need to be very about who the real enemy is,
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  Speaker 3: and it is not law abiding farmers. It is not
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  Speaker 3: law abiding sporting shooters in our suburbs.
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  Speaker 6: It is terrorists. It is terrorism. It is hate.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Islamists, extremism and irrational and visceral hatred still
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  Speaker 2: preached and promoted within our country. It's not for a
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  Speaker 2: lack of gun control that synagogues, Jewish schools and community
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  Speaker 2: centers in Sydney's East are now surrounded by cement traffic barriers.
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  Speaker 2: They're not there to stop bullets and guns. They're in
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  Speaker 2: place to stop cars and trucks from being deliberately rammed
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  Speaker 2: into Jewish men, women and children. Isla extremists will use
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  Speaker 2: whatever they can. Guns are not the problem, although of
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  Speaker 2: course authorities should have never approved licenses gun licenses for
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  Speaker 2: people who had been on ASIO watch lists. This debate
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  Speaker 2: occurs while concerns grow about the Bondi Royal Commission that
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  Speaker 2: it too is missing the point. I've explained how I
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  Speaker 2: think the inquiry is avoiding is avoiding the real threat
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  Speaker 2: fueling these anti Semitic attacks and allegedly the Bondai slaughter,
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  Speaker 2: and that of course is rampant, is the list extremism.
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  Speaker 2: And I've asked why hate preachers like this and others
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  Speaker 2: who have chanted and protested against Jews have not been
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  Speaker 2: brought to the Royal Commission and cross examined. Now, a
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  Speaker 2: former Federal Court judge and Disability Royal Commissioner has spoken out.
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  Speaker 2: Ronald Sackville told The Australian that the Commissioner has said
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  Speaker 2: that the purpose of the Royal Commission is not to
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  Speaker 2: shame anyone. But he explains that for the Inquiry to
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  Speaker 2: use its formidable powers of compulsion to investigate and make
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  Speaker 2: finding attributing responsibility to the perpetrators or enighbors of antisemitism
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  Speaker 2: would not be merely to shame those responsible.
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  Speaker 1: He says rightly that.
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  Speaker 2: The process would vindicate the experiences of the targets of
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  Speaker 2: vile antisemitism, pierce the veil of secrecy behind which many
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  Speaker 2: perpetrators operate, hold at least some of those perpetrators accountable
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  Speaker 2: for their despicable conduct, and revealed to the wider Australian
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  Speaker 2: community the kind of people who were prepared to act
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  Speaker 2: in this hateful way. Yeah, the Royal Commission should have
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  Speaker 2: pursued the people who have given us some of the
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  Speaker 2: ugliest examples of antisemitism this country.
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  Speaker 1: Has ever seen.
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  Speaker 2: To deliberately avoid examining these events and cross examining the
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  Speaker 2: people involved in them is for the Royal Commission to
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  Speaker 2: duck its central task, letting down the Jewish people in
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  Speaker 2: this country and indeed all Australians. Just when you thought
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's Melngate disgrace couldn't get any worse, the
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  Speaker 2: comedian who led him down that tawdry path has contradicted
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Alberanese's claim that he had no idea about the
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  Speaker 2: smutty content his interview might entail.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what Alberize said on Friday.
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  Speaker 7: Aniki Osborne said that she does shag Mary kill with
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  Speaker 7: every guest. Did you and your office know that the
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  Speaker 7: question was coming? I mean, so you've often spoken about
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  Speaker 7: the need to treat women with respect.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think it was.
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  Speaker 7: Respectful, appropriate, decent to go onto a public podcast and
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  Speaker 7: discuss when your wife chooses to have sex.
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  Speaker 5: I've responded to those comments, I've responded on the podcast.
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  Speaker 5: The important thing going forward, I do a range of interviews.
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  Speaker 5: I'm very broad, I'm accessible to all sections of the media.
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  Speaker 8: Versions rely on.
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  Speaker 9: You the truth absolutely, So just to be clear, those
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  Speaker 9: questions weren't pre loaded you didn't know.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have any advanced warning.
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  Speaker 2: Awkwardly, for the Prime Minister. The podcast host Nikki Osborne
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  Speaker 2: has spoken out as well and she seems to think
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  Speaker 2: that PM knew exactly what he was in for.
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  Speaker 10: And I went, oh, the Prime Minister follows me okay,
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  Speaker 10: which was quite the shock. And then I'm like, bugger it.
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  Speaker 10: I'm going to d M the PM and invite him
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  Speaker 10: on DM the PM. And I did and he got
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  Speaker 10: back to me straight away. I went, sure, sounds like
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  Speaker 10: a lot of fun. He's watched the show, he knows
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  Speaker 10: my podcast, so he knew what he was coming into.
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  Speaker 2: As I wrote The Weekend Australian, my own research took
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  Speaker 2: me about one minute.
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  Speaker 1: To see what the podcast was like.
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  Speaker 2: The first guest that came up for me was interviewed
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  Speaker 2: only a couple of weeks before Albanzi, and it was
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  Speaker 2: with Annie Knight, a notorious sex worker and pornographic content
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  Speaker 2: maker famous for betting hundreds of men in a matter
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  Speaker 2: of hours, and in this podcast, Osborne re enacted those
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  Speaker 2: antics on a couch. Just a few weeks later, Albanzi
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  Speaker 2: welcomed Osborne to a couch in the lodge for the
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  Speaker 2: now infamous chat about marital sex life, Kylie Minogue, fantasies
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  Speaker 2: and melons. The Prime Minister still denies he said or
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  Speaker 2: did anything to insult or offend the Japanese Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 2: Sana Takaichi Alberizi is shredding his credibility on this nonsense daily.
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  Speaker 1: It's one thing to.
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  Speaker 2: Chase the votes of the disengaged and uninformed on offbeat podcasts,
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  Speaker 2: but it's quite another to pretend that black is white right,
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  Speaker 2: taking most voters for fools. I don't know if many
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  Speaker 2: of you watched the Logis last night. It's not really
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  Speaker 2: my thing, but I noticed something kind of weird in
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  Speaker 2: social media clips at the Logis. It seems a lot
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  Speaker 2: of jokes were directed if anyone deemed to be right
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  Speaker 2: of center or against the green left, which automatically makes
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  Speaker 2: them I guess hard right according to the lefties.
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  Speaker 1: Have a look.
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  Speaker 11: Unfortunately, Karl Stefanovic didn't RSVP tonight, which means we didn't
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  Speaker 11: have to hire quite as many bartenders, but we've kept
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  Speaker 11: him a spare seat just in case. It's over there
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  Speaker 11: to the right, the far right.
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  Speaker 1: Oh God, if Paul and Hanson's mouth was this hard
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  Speaker 1: to open wouldn't. We'll be a bit of place, all right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I did notice that inside the venue that made
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  Speaker 3: the carpet gold, and I wondered if that was because
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  Speaker 3: Wade Using might turn up and have some spell edge.
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  Speaker 1: So heads got to the head.
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  Speaker 12: We have the best factual or documentary category.
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  Speaker 13: Now best factual is open to anyone, anyone.
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  Speaker 12: With a possible exception of Sky News.
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  Speaker 1: That bloke on the left works for Channel ten.
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  Speaker 2: I think these virtue signalers who get so much wrong,
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  Speaker 2: think that they're the guardians of the truth, and they
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  Speaker 2: foolishly don't mind dissing what should be half of their
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  Speaker 2: audience or more apparently here on News twenty four. Because
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  Speaker 2: the reality we expose clashes with their progressive sanctimony, we
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  Speaker 2: must be wrong. This really is a bizarro world, isn't.
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  Speaker 2: It's a place where supporting old melongate Albanzi and his
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  Speaker 2: renewable energy wizard Chris Bowen.
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  Speaker 1: Would never expose you to ridicule.
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  Speaker 2: And as if to prove just how out of touch
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  Speaker 2: with reality this mob is, have a look at this
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  Speaker 2: exchange between a media blogger and the ABC's main Current
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  Speaker 2: affairs host, Sarah ferguson why.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think it is that we trust the public
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  Speaker 4: broadcaster so.
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  Speaker 14: Much because because we've always we've always done the right thing.
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  Speaker 14: We've always understood that's what our role is. We really
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  Speaker 14: know what we're about. It's incredibly important in all forms
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  Speaker 14: of broadcasting to know what you're for, and we always have.
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  Speaker 14: And right now people are so afraid of what's real,
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  Speaker 14: what's not real, what's reliable, and.
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  Speaker 1: The world is scary.
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  Speaker 14: So if there's something you can trust, it's worth it.
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  Speaker 14: It's worth it's worth it's worth millions. It is such
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  Speaker 14: a valuable thing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we sure as hell know what they're for. They're
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  Speaker 2: for a carbon tax, for immigration. We're gonna start with
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  Speaker 2: all that lot. What we do, we do the right thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's what Ferguson says.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I beg to differ.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, Ferguson has solf fronted a three part Four Corners
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  Speaker 2: series that must have cost taxpayers a million dollars or
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  Speaker 2: more just to tell you that it is really the Russians.
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  Speaker 1: Who got Donald Trump elected.
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  Speaker 14: Hello, and welcome to Four Corners. Tonight we begin our
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  Speaker 14: special three part investigation into the story of the century,
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  Speaker 14: the election of US President Donald Trump and.
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  Speaker 15: His ties to Russia.
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  Speaker 14: The Kremlin's puppetmaster now has America dancing to his discordant tune.
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  Speaker 6: He couldn't have planned it better.
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  Speaker 1: The story of the century.
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  Speaker 2: It's a risible conspiracy theory, long since proven to be
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  Speaker 2: completely false, but it's still available on ABC platforms at
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  Speaker 2: your expense. And as for telling what's real and what's
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  Speaker 2: not real, which is Ferguson's boast, let me show you
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  Speaker 2: what the ABC said was real.
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  Speaker 9: We don't have the vision that comes immediately before this,
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  Speaker 9: but this Australian soldier firing towards what appeared to be.
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  Speaker 6: Unarmed civilians in residential compounds.
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  Speaker 1: Except that was not real.
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  Speaker 2: The ABC added extra gunshots and changed the order of
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  Speaker 2: the footage to try to convince viewers that our soldiers
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  Speaker 2: committed war crimes.
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  Speaker 12: Revealing an astonishing difference between the source vision and the
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  Speaker 12: version of events told by the ABC's Mark Willersy, which
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  Speaker 12: starts with six rounds of firing, then a single warning
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  Speaker 12: shot becomes six.
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  Speaker 16: To me, it appears some of these things they've literally
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  Speaker 16: added extra gunshots.
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  Speaker 2: The ABC was forced to admit this and apologize for that,
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  Speaker 2: but it still claims it was just an honest mistake.
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  Speaker 2: I've showed you many other examples. There are so many,
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  Speaker 2: including when the ABC, again in a Sarah Ferguson report,
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  Speaker 2: edited Donald Trump's speech to make it look like he
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  Speaker 2: was encouraging violence the day of the Capitol Hill riots
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  Speaker 2: when he specifically asked for a peaceful protest. And the
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  Speaker 2: ABC has actually had to take down a four Corners
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  Speaker 2: episode where they used a former BIKI to tell a
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  Speaker 2: fake story, even using taxpayers' money to rent a flash
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  Speaker 2: car to make someone.
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  Speaker 1: Look like a high level drug dealer.
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  Speaker 2: And just today the ABC took down three more stories
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  Speaker 2: related to those reports, and it's still investigating more. They
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  Speaker 2: are in a complete shambles because they've been broadcasting fake
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  Speaker 2: news and are now trying to take down what is
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  Speaker 2: not real from their platforms. Yet, Ferguson at the Logan's
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  Speaker 2: that the ABC tells us what's real and what's not real. Look,
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  Speaker 2: the ABC is so divorced from reality. It's chairman recently
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  Speaker 2: told me this.
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  Speaker 1: The ABC is a national resource.
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  Speaker 2: It is a force for impartiality, and it's a force
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  Speaker 2: for objective journalism. Oh, Dear Ferguson and the ABC leadership
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  Speaker 2: really should have nominated their whole charade for the Best
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  Speaker 2: Fictional Drama Series or perhaps Best Original Comedy, because that
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  Speaker 2: way they might have walked away with the LOGI and
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  Speaker 2: at least appeared to be more connected to reality. We
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  Speaker 2: pay a billion dollars a year for their delinquency, and
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  Speaker 2: we can never tell what's real and what's not. Now
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  Speaker 2: there is a more worrying aspect to that logis exchange.
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  Speaker 2: Just days after the ABC was forced to apologize over
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  Speaker 2: that joke involving the killing of Gina Reinhardt, the seven
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  Speaker 2: point thirty presenter Sarah Ferguson has joked along with the
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  Speaker 2: idea of getting rid of Elon Musk. Look at this
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  Speaker 2: part of the exchange with TV blogger Steve Molk that
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  Speaker 2: involves a fanciful deal to make sure Musk never leaves
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  Speaker 2: a studio.
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  Speaker 16: I'm going to start to Sarah ferguson podcast, who would
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  Speaker 16: be your first guest?
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  Speaker 1: Probably?
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  Speaker 3: Can I slip you twenty to just make sure he
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  Speaker 3: doesn't leave the studio?
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  Speaker 14: Consider it done done? Why not help me get the interview?
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  Speaker 1: But this conversation never happened. This conversation never happened.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So the ABC host Ferguson wants to interview Musk,
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  Speaker 2: but joke's about ensuring for a.
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  Speaker 1: Price that he never leaves. What is it with these people?
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  Speaker 2: Why is the so called compassionate left always fantasizing about
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  Speaker 2: eliminating people who's politics they don't like. We sent questions
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  Speaker 2: to the ABC and to Milk about the interview, and
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  Speaker 2: we asked what he meant by the question about making
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  Speaker 2: sure Musk doesn't leave the studio, and Mok said it
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  Speaker 2: was nothing more than a joke in poor taste. In
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  Speaker 2: poor taste, Well, yes, it was in poor taste, that's
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  Speaker 2: why we asked, But just to clarify, we asked him
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  Speaker 2: if it was a joke about killing Ilon Musk, and
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  Speaker 2: Molk said no, simply no. So if it wasn't about
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  Speaker 2: killing Musk, why was the joke in poor taste? Then
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  Speaker 2: we asked, and Milk said that by isolating or insulating
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  Speaker 2: Musk's influence, some things might be better. And he said
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  Speaker 2: he could see now that we raised it that it
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  Speaker 2: might be inferred as something other. But it's all a
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  Speaker 2: bit strange because Milk admitted his joke was in poor taste.
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  Speaker 2: But what's in poor taste about isolating Musk from public debate?
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  Speaker 2: We asked Milk then said it was about holding someone
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  Speaker 2: against their will, which is poor taste because with all
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  Speaker 2: the conflict in the world, nobody should be held into
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  Speaker 2: such a fashion. Oh boy, Milk and Ferguson were they
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  Speaker 2: were just joking about holding mask hostage or something apparently,
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  Speaker 2: but they said it was in poor taste and the
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  Speaker 2: conversation never happened. We have not heard back from the ABC.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know what they or Sarah Ferguson are going
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  Speaker 2: to claim the joke was, or why the conversation should
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  Speaker 2: never have happened.
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  Speaker 1: I guess they're trying to work out what is real
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  Speaker 1: and what is not.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go live down to camera and catch up with
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  Speaker 2: the Shadow Communications.
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  Speaker 1: Minister Sarah Henderson.
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  Speaker 2: Sarah, that was a bizarre exchange about Elon Musker.
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  Speaker 1: How did you interpret it?
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  Speaker 6: Well?
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  Speaker 17: Probably just improper, I think for the host of one
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  Speaker 17: of the ABC's leading current affairs programs to be engaging
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  Speaker 17: in that sort of banter. I was more concerned about
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  Speaker 17: Sarah Ferguson's claims that the ABC can be trusted, and
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  Speaker 17: it is quite ironic when we have seen the pre
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  Speaker 17: eminent current affairs program four Corners now remove more programs
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  Speaker 17: from mister Fazal after his so called journalism has been
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  Speaker 17: brought into disrepute and Chris, this is just another reminder
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  Speaker 17: that even the most pre eminent current affairs program cannot
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  Speaker 17: be trusted on the ABC given what has unraveled in
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  Speaker 17: recent times.
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  Speaker 6: And that's a very serious issue.
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  Speaker 1: I want to come back to that.
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  Speaker 2: But that other joke from that Sarah Ferguson didn't initiate,
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  Speaker 2: but she played along with taking some money to make
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  Speaker 2: sure that Elon Musk wouldn't leave the studio, wouldn't get
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  Speaker 2: out of the studio. It's an obvious implication, there isn't there.
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  Speaker 17: Well, look, you know, it may well have been a joke.
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  Speaker 17: I think it was a joke made in poor taste.
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  Speaker 17: And let's not forget the ABC's definition of a joke.
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  Speaker 17: I mean they claim that that appalling and disgusting segment
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  Speaker 17: involving Gina Reinhardt was satire. That is just another example
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  Speaker 17: of where the ABC just doesn't get it. Chris is
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  Speaker 17: not meeting expectations, is tone deaf to the many problems
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  Speaker 17: with Frankly, I think declining standards at the ABC.
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  Speaker 6: I will say the ABC.
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  Speaker 17: Continues to do some good work, but as far as
• 21:40
  Speaker 17: Sarah Ferguson goes, I mean, she's had the controversy over
• 21:43
  Speaker 17: her own documentaries. She's been caught up and a conflict
• 21:46
  Speaker 17: of interest debarcle with of course her being the EP
• 21:51
  Speaker 17: of a documentary funded by an animal rights organization. So
• 21:55
  Speaker 17: I really do think that the ABC needs to go
• 21:58
  Speaker 17: back to basics, needs to focus on complying with its
• 22:02
  Speaker 17: editorial standards rather than engaging in this sort of stuff.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: How would you you're a former ABC reporter of long
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: long standing and you've been in the shadow communications portfolio
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: for extended periods of time, you watch and know this
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: stuff very closely. How would you describe the current situation
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: at the ABC? Because there's a major controversy about these
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: four corners reports having to be brought down, taken down
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: off the platforms. We've had the Gina Reinhart controversy, the
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: stuff I've just highlighted.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Now a new news director due to start.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Any day when they got rid of the old one,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: the chairman completely denying any problem with political bias.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: It just seems like the place is in the shambles.
• 22:47
  Speaker 17: Well, I think what I have seen in recent years
• 22:49
  Speaker 17: Chris is a declining standards at the ABC. There is
• 22:53
  Speaker 17: conduct that simply would have not been permitted when I
• 22:56
  Speaker 17: was there. Now that was quite a while ago, of course,
• 22:59
  Speaker 17: but some of the commentary that we saw on social media,
• 23:02
  Speaker 17: some of the improper, you know, opinions exercised by journalists
• 23:07
  Speaker 17: that have got no right to be exercising opinions. The
• 23:10
  Speaker 17: Heston Russell fake gunshots issue was a complete scandal, and
• 23:15
  Speaker 17: of course those stories were run on seven to thirty.
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: The ABC of course doubled.
• 23:20
  Speaker 17: Down, spending millions of dollars of taxpayers funding to defend
• 23:25
  Speaker 17: the indefensible. So again and again we are seeing a
• 23:30
  Speaker 17: slipping of standards.
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: And I do feel very much for.
• 23:35
  Speaker 17: Journalists at the ABC because there are two thousand people
• 23:38
  Speaker 17: working in news and current affairs at the ABC, which.
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: Is quite extraordinary.
• 23:43
  Speaker 17: I do really feel for those who work hard every
• 23:46
  Speaker 17: day and try to do their very best, because they
• 23:50
  Speaker 17: are being let down by some of the most senior
• 23:52
  Speaker 17: people at the.
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: ABC, including the chair.
• 23:55
  Speaker 17: And the claim that there's no bias at the ABC,
• 23:58
  Speaker 17: well that just does not stack up. And I do
• 24:01
  Speaker 17: think from the chair down, the ABC needs to get
• 24:04
  Speaker 17: back to fundamentals and really focus on its standards, including
• 24:08
  Speaker 17: the qualifications of its journalists. How could the ABC engage
• 24:14
  Speaker 17: someone like mister Vassal who has got no credentials when
• 24:18
  Speaker 17: it comes to high level journalism.
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: I mean when I when I asked Hugh Marx.
• 24:23
  Speaker 17: About this and cented estimates, he said he's got a
• 24:25
  Speaker 17: great story to tell.
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: Well, that might be the case. We'll interview him.
• 24:29
  Speaker 17: That doesn't mean you'll employ him on the pre eminence
• 24:34
  Speaker 17: Current Affairs program.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Seems he had a great story to fabricate courteous courtesy
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: of taxpayers dollars. I share your concerns about the good
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: people at the ABC because they're brought into disrepute by
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: the carryings on of their so called presenting and journalistic
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: leaders like Sarah Ferguson. But someone's got to take take
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: control and charge of the situation there at some stage,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: just very briefly, because they're almost out of time. But
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: I believe that you there's been some I don't know,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: admissions if you like, or concessions or from the digital giants.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: So the social media ban that children are just getting
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: around it too easily already, well we.
• 25:14
  Speaker 17: Know the government's social media ban is broken. More than
• 25:18
  Speaker 17: seventy percent of children are simply not complying with the ban,
• 25:21
  Speaker 17: and the government is trying to rush through some amendments
• 25:24
  Speaker 17: to the Online Safety Act. We had a hearing last
• 25:26
  Speaker 17: Friday and despite the rush nature of these amendments, we've
• 25:30
  Speaker 17: heard compelling evidence that much more work needs to be done.
• 25:34
  Speaker 17: In fact, one of Anika Well's amendments before the Parliament
• 25:38
  Speaker 17: right now is so flawed it allows the E Safety
• 25:41
  Speaker 17: Commissioner to ask a ten year old child to produce documents,
• 25:46
  Speaker 17: so they can't even get the basic drafting of these
• 25:50
  Speaker 17: amendments right. And you know, we have a very strong
• 25:53
  Speaker 17: view that much more needs to be done. And I
• 25:56
  Speaker 17: want to commend Elon Musk and ex Court because they
• 25:59
  Speaker 17: have published their algorithm very much focused on the importance
• 26:04
  Speaker 17: of transparency. We have not seen the other digital platforms
• 26:08
  Speaker 17: do that. I am concerned that the U Safety Commissioner
• 26:11
  Speaker 17: says she doesn't want to breach their trade secrets. Well,
• 26:14
  Speaker 17: these platforms, and particularly some of them like Facebook and Meta,
• 26:19
  Speaker 17: are causing significant harm to many Australians, particularly children. That
• 26:24
  Speaker 17: is continuing and this government needs to toughen up and
• 26:28
  Speaker 17: it's clear that they are not prepared to do the
• 26:31
  Speaker 17: hard yards to hold the digital platforms to account.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, Sarah Sarah Henderson, their
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: shadow Communications Minister. We all agree with the aims on
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: this social media.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Escapade.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I suppose this campaign and the new laws, but there
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: are no signs at this stage that is actually working
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: as intended.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I want to.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Stay with matters federal and go to the former Federal
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Labor Front mention. Mike Kelly, who joins me from Canberra
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: as well, thanks for joining us. I've got to get
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: your thoughts on the gun buyback scheme an OUs in
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: the wake of the Bondai terrorist atrocity. Do you see
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: this as a distraction from the real battle against Islamist
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: extremism in this country?
• 27:16
  Speaker 18: Absolutely, Chris. I mean that unpacking of in the ecosystem
• 27:20
  Speaker 18: of terrorism and how it works, how it's been constructed
• 27:24
  Speaker 18: to disaggregate the former hierarchical nature of terrorism so that
• 27:28
  Speaker 18: it's less vulnerable to our intelligence agencies, and how people
• 27:32
  Speaker 18: are conditioned for terrorism. You've just been talking about the
• 27:36
  Speaker 18: social media aspect of that. There are also the dark
• 27:39
  Speaker 18: aspects of the social media that aren't even part of
• 27:41
  Speaker 18: those platforms you talked about, where this hate material is
• 27:46
  Speaker 18: being propagated but most importantly when it comes to the
• 27:49
  Speaker 18: firearms stuff, the really biggest issue there is the fact
• 27:52
  Speaker 18: that we haven't digitized the key data points and network
• 27:56
  Speaker 18: them in this country that would make an incident like
• 27:59
  Speaker 18: BONDI possible to happen. And that is the National Firearms
• 28:03
  Speaker 18: Registry Project which was begun in twenty twenty two off
• 28:07
  Speaker 18: the back of the killing of those Queensland police and
• 28:10
  Speaker 18: with an end date of completing this system by twenty
• 28:13
  Speaker 18: twenty eight. And in the interim report of the Royal
• 28:15
  Speaker 18: Commission they said that this timeline was unduly leisurely. And look,
• 28:21
  Speaker 18: the technology is out there to do this quicker and
• 28:24
  Speaker 18: to do it reasonably cheaply, but there are jurisdictions out
• 28:27
  Speaker 18: there where police are still using paper in this day
• 28:31
  Speaker 18: and age, and so what should be happening as an
• 28:33
  Speaker 18: operator and an analyst in one of our agencies should
• 28:37
  Speaker 18: be getting a pop up alert when a father of
• 28:40
  Speaker 18: a person who is known to have isosympathies goes out
• 28:43
  Speaker 18: and buys six firearms. That's the real issue here, you know,
• 28:47
  Speaker 18: really stitching up the capabilities of our agencies to cooperate
• 28:51
  Speaker 18: and to surface those sorts of key important points.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Just on the Royal Commission.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: What do you think of the former Federal Court Judge
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Sackville comments about the Royal Commission not using its powers
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: forensically enough and in particular drawing to the Commission and
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: cross examining people involved in that opera house ugliness, And
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I would suggest also calling in Shaikeh Ibrahim Dedoun, who
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: led those sickening celebrations at La Canber on October the eighth.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Twenty twenty three.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't the Royal Commission ask those people to turn
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: up and answer questions about what they were doing.
• 29:28
  Speaker 18: Well, I'm assuming it's because of the time pressure and
• 29:31
  Speaker 18: the breadth of the inquiry that's happening. But one thing
• 29:34
  Speaker 18: we know is Royal Commissions should be given the time
• 29:37
  Speaker 18: and the space they need to do their job and
• 29:40
  Speaker 18: shouldn't be operating strictly under a time barrier here which
• 29:44
  Speaker 18: would prevent that from happening. You and I will remember
• 29:47
  Speaker 18: the Costing and Royal Commission back in nineteen eighty which
• 29:50
  Speaker 18: started out investigating the Planets and Dockers union but finished
• 29:53
  Speaker 18: up exposing the whole of the bottom of the harvest scheme,
• 29:55
  Speaker 18: which wasn't foreseen to begin with, and really coming back
• 30:00
  Speaker 18: to this particular issue. What we know now through investigations
• 30:04
  Speaker 18: that are happening internationally is how these demonstrators and activists
• 30:08
  Speaker 18: are being manipulated, subverted or the activists leading the charge
• 30:13
  Speaker 18: themselves have been controlled and provided with the raw material
• 30:17
  Speaker 18: to do this by state actors and terrorist organizations. So
• 30:21
  Speaker 18: the Samurd Gaza flotilla turns out they were being funded
• 30:26
  Speaker 18: and boats being provided by cyber Neptune, a company, a
• 30:29
  Speaker 18: front company in Spain basically controlled by this Abu Kashek
• 30:35
  Speaker 18: characters who was a Hummas operative. And you know we've
• 30:39
  Speaker 18: seen just recently in the last few days congressional investigation
• 30:44
  Speaker 18: in the US and UK investigators looking into this code
• 30:47
  Speaker 18: Pink funding mechanism for anti Israel activities in the UK
• 30:52
  Speaker 18: and the US and creating those demonstrations. So there's so
• 30:55
  Speaker 18: much to unpack with this that they need to be
• 30:58
  Speaker 18: able to do that work.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: It seems to me grotesque to see this Royal Commission
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: cross examining an Australian Jewish man about the activities of
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: the Israeli government, while an Australian hate preacher who celebrated
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: the slaughter of innocentt Israelis is not even called to
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: give evidence.
• 31:19
  Speaker 18: Yeah, well, you know, like weis, Sam Hadad has faced
• 31:21
  Speaker 18: the courts, but you know, perhaps he should be called
• 31:24
  Speaker 18: also before the Royal Commission, you know, in his Al
• 31:26
  Speaker 18: Madina data center, and explained to the Royal Commission why
• 31:31
  Speaker 18: he's promoting views straight out of the pages of the
• 31:34
  Speaker 18: Hadith about how all Jews should be killed, quoting the
• 31:39
  Speaker 18: passages about that will be the end of days.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: We've got to confront this stuff.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: We've got to confront this stuff, and I appreciate your
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: voice calling for that, Micah, Thanks again for your time.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Mike Kelly, you I should remind you as a former
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Labor Federal Front bencher also served in the Australian Army.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Coming up, Ukraine has launched one of his largest own.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Attacks against Russia since the start of the war.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Peter Jennings will join me.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Ukraine has launched one of its largest drone assaults on
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Russia in the war today, killing at least six people
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: according the Russian authorities. Here's the latest from our reporter
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Lauren Forbes.
• 32:21
  Speaker 19: Large plumes of smoke billowing across the skyline after a
• 32:25
  Speaker 19: massive Ukrainian drone barrage around six hundred drones to send
• 32:29
  Speaker 19: it on Moscow in one of the biggest attacks to
• 32:32
  Speaker 19: target the Russian capital. A huge fire tore through this
• 32:36
  Speaker 19: warehouse or Russian online retail giant wild Berries south of
• 32:40
  Speaker 19: the city. Ukraine accuses wild Berries of handling military goods,
• 32:44
  Speaker 19: making the site a target in its campaign against Russia's
• 32:47
  Speaker 19: war infrastructure.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the News twenty four defense analyst Peter Jennings.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us again. Peter, tell us to where
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: this war is at, because it seems to be inflicting
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Ukraine seems to be inflicting an enormous amount of dam
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: around Moscow and close to Moscow, which must be traveling
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Russia mightily.
• 33:08
  Speaker 9: Well, good evening, Chris and even further beyond Moscow too.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, we've.
• 33:12
  Speaker 9: Seen drone attacks deep into the Russian state and I
• 33:18
  Speaker 9: think this is, at least over the last six months,
• 33:22
  Speaker 9: a relatively new feature of the Ukrainian war designed to
• 33:26
  Speaker 9: try and find points that can actually force a concession
• 33:30
  Speaker 9: from Vladimir Putin.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: The Ukrainians are asking.
• 33:33
  Speaker 9: Themselves what can we do that will make Pertin stop
• 33:36
  Speaker 9: the war? And I think the best answer they've been
• 33:39
  Speaker 9: able to come up with that is to try to
• 33:41
  Speaker 9: get the Russian population to be unhappy about the conduct
• 33:44
  Speaker 9: of the war, which is why they're going after this
• 33:47
  Speaker 9: wild Breeze online retailer who also happens to be a
• 33:51
  Speaker 9: major supplier of dual use goods, including drones, to the
• 33:53
  Speaker 9: Russian military. What's really interesting about this particular attack, Chris,
• 33:58
  Speaker 9: was the number of drones six hundred and many different
• 34:01
  Speaker 9: points of attack. So what we're seeing is that the
• 34:04
  Speaker 9: Ukrainians are getting more sophisticated. They can take their offensive
• 34:07
  Speaker 9: actions deeper into Russian territory. This is no longer a
• 34:11
  Speaker 9: case of them simply being pounded by Russian missiles themselves,
• 34:15
  Speaker 9: and I think we begin to see the momentum of
• 34:17
  Speaker 9: the war, you know, moving decisively back in the direction
• 34:21
  Speaker 9: of Ukraine. Whereas at the beginning of this year they
• 34:24
  Speaker 9: look to be in a pretty desperate situation. Now that
• 34:27
  Speaker 9: they've turned that around through their own ingenuity and cleverness
• 34:31
  Speaker 9: and military thinking.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if this had been conducted along more conventional terms,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Russia might have been to keep going on this war
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: indefinitely become like Afghanistan, do it agree, I suppose, But
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: by using drones to get so far into Russia, creating
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: fear and confusion and dislocation without having to get troops
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: on the ground in Russia or having large military ass
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: It's like a fighter jets and bomber's doing the damage.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Do you think there's any realistic chance it could bring
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: the water would end? Would obviously need Russia to concede defeat,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: make some sort of concession at least, and strike a
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: cease fire.
• 35:15
  Speaker 9: Well, I think the challenge Chris is what to make
• 35:17
  Speaker 9: Vladimir Putin do for him to concede defeat. He doesn't
• 35:21
  Speaker 9: seem to be troubled by Russian casualties. It remains the
• 35:24
  Speaker 9: case and it has done now for most of this
• 35:26
  Speaker 9: year that the Russians are losing over thirty thousand people.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: A month on the battlefield good Lord, and that is.
• 35:33
  Speaker 9: Starting to significantly impact on their recruitment. Obviously, Russians, particularly
• 35:38
  Speaker 9: white middle class Russians, they're not interested in recruiting. The
• 35:41
  Speaker 9: next thing to watch for, I suspect we're going to
• 35:44
  Speaker 9: see more North Korean troops being put back into the
• 35:48
  Speaker 9: battle because Russia is effectively purchasing them from North Korea.
• 35:52
  Speaker 9: So Putin doesn't seem to be finished yet. But if
• 35:55
  Speaker 9: the population turns or even there is a sense that,
• 35:59
  Speaker 9: you know, they be getting to hurt too much from
• 36:01
  Speaker 9: the economic damage which the Ukrainians are are.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Inflicting on them.
• 36:06
  Speaker 9: Maybe that becomes the moment when Putin will become more
• 36:09
  Speaker 9: serious about peace negotiations, whereas right now he has no
• 36:13
  Speaker 9: serious intent about negotiations whatsoever.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: In that other war a little further east, the commander
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: of the Iranian Army has had this to say.
• 36:25
  Speaker 16: Amanda, whoever any did combat of ours kills an American
• 36:29
  Speaker 16: or captures one and hands them over to any of
• 36:31
  Speaker 16: the units of the Islamic Republic of Iran Army, we
• 36:35
  Speaker 16: will provide a proper gift. This gift is equivalent to
• 36:39
  Speaker 16: thirty thousand American dollars.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Peter, is that bounty ugly as it is change anything?
• 36:47
  Speaker 9: I think it probably raises risk levels for American troops
• 36:51
  Speaker 9: based in other countries in the Middle East. You know,
• 36:54
  Speaker 9: there never has been by declaration, American forces in Iran itself,
• 36:59
  Speaker 9: apart from a brief mission to go and rescue some
• 37:02
  Speaker 9: down pilots. I've always thought there were probably some Special
• 37:05
  Speaker 9: Forces troops there, But I think the real place I
• 37:08
  Speaker 9: would be concerned about would be American troops in Iraq,
• 37:11
  Speaker 9: American troops in Syria. Militia groups might feel tempted to
• 37:15
  Speaker 9: see if they can get some of that bounty by
• 37:17
  Speaker 9: going after them in those locations. So yes, I think
• 37:20
  Speaker 9: it's something that needs to be taken seriously, even though
• 37:23
  Speaker 9: I doubt very much that there'll be any success that
• 37:25
  Speaker 9: comes from it for the Iranians.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Peter, thanks for joining us.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Appreciate News twenty four Defense analysts Peter Jennings. There were
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: going to get to a break on the other side,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: to get back to the transgender and sport debate. It's
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: reared its head in AFL in Adelaide. Don't go away,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: sal Graver will join me next. The AFL's allowing a
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: biological man to keep playing in the Adelaide Footy League
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: despite the safety fears of female players. The CODES Gender
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Diversity Policy Committee found that Freyer Gold, who previously played
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: in the men's comp doesn't represent a safety risk.
• 38:05
  Speaker 15: A big hit, but a bigger blow for the Adelaide
• 38:10
  Speaker 15: Football League.
• 38:11
  Speaker 20: We to this day maintain that it is a safety risk.
• 38:14
  Speaker 15: The AFLs Gender Diversity Policy Committee handing down its verdict
• 38:19
  Speaker 15: after formal complaints were lodged by three Adelaide Footy League
• 38:22
  Speaker 15: clubs into whether transgender Westminster Old Scholars player Frei Golding
• 38:28
  Speaker 15: should continue to play.
• 38:30
  Speaker 20: This particular player is six foot two or three ninety
• 38:33
  Speaker 20: two kilograms, you know, and I appreciate the notion that
• 38:38
  Speaker 20: there may be other naturally born women that are six
• 38:41
  Speaker 20: foot three and ninety two kilos, but they're pure and
• 38:44
  Speaker 20: far between.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Joining me life to discuss this is giggle CEO Sal Grover,
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: good to talk to you against Sal. This is just
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: not in not on, is it. I just want safety
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: grounds alone.
• 38:57
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, even if he was the same of
• 39:00
  Speaker 8: a pixie, it's irrelevant. He's a man, and we're talking
• 39:04
  Speaker 8: about a man being able to play in women's sport.
• 39:06
  Speaker 8: And you just have to wonder, why do all of
• 39:09
  Speaker 8: these people think women's sport exists in the first place?
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: Yes, wonder the whole thing useless.
• 39:14
  Speaker 8: If you're going to let a man in there. It's
• 39:17
  Speaker 8: the frustrating part of this entire issue. You take the
• 39:22
  Speaker 8: AFL who are saying they're doing this because of its
• 39:26
  Speaker 8: dedication to inclusion, but why isn't there pressure on men's
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: teams to be inclusive of the men who like to
• 39:33
  Speaker 8: wear dresses and lipstick. The onnus is always on the
• 39:36
  Speaker 8: women to be inclusive, and it's like, oh, suddenly we
• 39:40
  Speaker 8: know what a woman is. When we're looking at the
• 39:42
  Speaker 8: group who should be giving up their rights. The men's
• 39:47
  Speaker 8: team can just be inclusive of him.
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: You can play.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: It's so spot on.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, it just brings in to complete disarray any
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: argument for having a women's comp.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: You might as well get rid of the women's comp
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: and everyone.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Can just play footy together, because if you're not going
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: to keep biological men out, it's no longer a women's comp.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: This has been highlighted to a degree of high fats
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: in the United States, where some former NBA players have
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: nominated for the Women's NBA have a look.
• 40:16
  Speaker 21: After careful concentration, I reviewn the current eligiblic guidelines. I
• 40:20
  Speaker 21: am officially declaring myself a WNBA prospect. If simply declaring
• 40:24
  Speaker 21: who you are is all that's required, then I meet
• 40:27
  Speaker 21: every single requirement necessary to compete in the WNBA.
• 40:31
  Speaker 22: Earlier this week, I made the announcement I'm transgender. I'm
• 40:34
  Speaker 22: a woman. I'm identify as sometimes identifying as a woman
• 40:39
  Speaker 22: for purposes of basketball professional basketball. So I'll be declaring
• 40:43
  Speaker 22: for the WNBA draft in twenty twenty seven.
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  Speaker 2: Now, hats off to these blokes. Surely you're exposing the fast.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, this is really transgenderism being poisted by its own
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  Speaker 8: hard These are their rules. They have been telling society
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  Speaker 8: the world for the better part of a decade that
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  Speaker 8: anyone who declares that they are trans, that they are
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  Speaker 8: a woman, they have to be believed. It's been quite
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  Speaker 8: amusing to watch transactivists have an absolute meltdown about these
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  Speaker 8: two guys declaring that they're women. They haven't had such
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  Speaker 8: a reaction when it's i don't know, convicted male reapists
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  Speaker 8: in women's prisons suddenly declaring that they're women. But I mean,
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  Speaker 8: this is happening all around the world. It is this ridiculous.
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  Speaker 8: There's no man on this planet who is a woman.
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  Speaker 8: There's no one who changes sex. This is actually how
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  Speaker 8: stupid the entire concept of transgenderism is. And these guys
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  Speaker 8: are really highlighting it. And that's fantastic. I mean some
• 41:40
  Speaker 8: of the sort counter attempted counter arguments against it have
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  Speaker 8: been well, they're not genuine, or they're not doing anything
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  Speaker 8: to show that they're women. Woman isn't how much of
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  Speaker 8: an effort a man is willing to put in to
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  Speaker 8: appearing as a woman. A woman is an actual class
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  Speaker 8: of human beings, separate from men, and that's what we're
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  Speaker 8: fighting for to make sure that we can continue to
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  Speaker 8: have our own class in law. Aaron space is Aaron
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  Speaker 8: support our own services. It's really that simple.
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  Speaker 2: So thanks so much for joining us, Thanks for standing
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  Speaker 2: up for biology and common sense. Sur Grover there from
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  Speaker 2: a Giggle, the Giggle founder and see we've.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Got to take a break.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: On the other side, we're going to catch up with
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  Speaker 2: a couple of women, Gematon, Juni and Caroline Derusso don't
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  Speaker 2: go away Love the Monday panel with Gematon, Jenni gt
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Can here on the desk and in Perth the wa.
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  Speaker 1: Liberal Party President Caroline Terristy.
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  Speaker 2: Let me start on what's happening in Sydney but matters
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  Speaker 2: to the whole country, and that is the Bondai Raw Commission. Gemma,
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  Speaker 2: the accusations from learned friends now that it's missing the
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: point and not targeting the very people have been inspiring
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  Speaker 2: and encouraging the anti due hatred on our streets.
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  Speaker 23: I think there's a lot of merit to the things
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  Speaker 23: that have been raised and the stories that we've seen
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  Speaker 23: come out today.
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  Speaker 4: I think I'm very grateful for.
• 43:04
  Speaker 23: Those voices because they have got credibility and they have agency,
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  Speaker 23: and they're not just people punting from the cheap seats.
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  Speaker 23: We're all looking to this Royal Commission to deliver answers.
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  Speaker 23: I suppose that is the simplest term, but it's looking
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  Speaker 23: at what, not just what happened, but how did we
• 43:20
  Speaker 23: get there over time? And you know, for example, the
• 43:24
  Speaker 23: cross examining examination that you mentioned earlier in that interview
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  Speaker 23: of David Ossip.
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  Speaker 4: What was that about? Why was it necessary?
• 43:31
  Speaker 23: Why are we not seeing cross examination of some of
• 43:34
  Speaker 23: the people who have been saying and purveying views that
• 43:38
  Speaker 23: are laced with hatred and feeding that antisemitic you know,
• 43:47
  Speaker 23: that antisemitic situation here in Australia that has just been
• 43:50
  Speaker 23: growing like.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: Mold over over the last couple of years.
• 43:52
  Speaker 23: We're all hopeful, I'm hopeful that this Royal Commission will deliver.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: But my concern is the timeliness.
• 43:59
  Speaker 23: That the time is it it's under and what we
• 44:01
  Speaker 23: haven't seen I suppose, which goes to your interview earlier.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I fear it is going to miss the point.
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  Speaker 2: Without examining those people and their actions, how can you
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: get anywhere?
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  Speaker 4: Will see it's a missing piece of the.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Puzz Sure is, Sure is. Let's move on to the
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: economic debate.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Debate with you, Caroline, and I want to talk about superannuation.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: It's Pauline Hansen, one Nation leader who's thrown at front
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: and center. Here she is on News twenty four yesterday
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: with Andrew.
• 44:27
  Speaker 17: A lot of US strainers are doing it tough now
• 44:29
  Speaker 17: and struggling to pay their mortgages. In some ways, I
• 44:32
  Speaker 17: feel that you should give them their money now and
• 44:34
  Speaker 17: let them help them with the cost of living.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: It is their money, Yeah, Caroline, there she is with
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Andrew Clanel.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: This is a lot of people have sympathy with this.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: If you're in your thirties and there's a bit of
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: super there, why shouldn't be able to tap into that
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: to help get a home deposit or if you're in strife,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: tap into it.
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  Speaker 24: Absolutely, and look, I've got no issue with this, and
• 44:57
  Speaker 24: I think if we go back, I think it was
• 44:59
  Speaker 24: twenty two two for the election that there was one
• 45:03
  Speaker 24: of the liberal policies allowing you to access your super
• 45:07
  Speaker 24: to put down a home deposit. Now, what a lot
• 45:10
  Speaker 24: of people probably don't know is that if you already
• 45:12
  Speaker 24: have a mortgage and you get into a hardship situation,
• 45:16
  Speaker 24: you can actually access your super.
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: But why are we waiting for people.
• 45:20
  Speaker 24: To get into hardship, waiting for them to get behind
• 45:23
  Speaker 24: before we allow them.
• 45:24
  Speaker 15: To access that super.
• 45:25
  Speaker 24: So there's this weird situation where you can't access it
• 45:29
  Speaker 24: to buy the property, you can't access it somewhere in
• 45:32
  Speaker 24: between where you're like, oh, actually I'd just like to
• 45:34
  Speaker 24: pay down a chunk of my mortgage to lighten the load,
• 45:39
  Speaker 24: But we can wait till you get into a hardship position.
• 45:42
  Speaker 24: You get behind, you're going underwater, and then we'll let
• 45:44
  Speaker 24: you access it. So that there just makes no sense
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  Speaker 24: to me. So I think it is people's money.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: They should be able.
• 45:51
  Speaker 24: To access it, and the policy should be reflective of it, being,
• 45:56
  Speaker 24: you know, not a band aid situation, but more of a.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Prevent Labor really want this fight.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: They're going to pretend that the Right of Center is
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: coming after your super.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Here's the Prime Minister today.
• 46:08
  Speaker 13: We know that it is at risk because the Liberals,
• 46:13
  Speaker 13: the Nationals and One Nation all want to decimate universal super.
• 46:18
  Speaker 13: Not only do they want to drag Astrayans back to
• 46:21
  Speaker 13: the past. They want to damage their future as well.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Jimmy, this makes me really angry. They want your compulsory
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: super that's our money. They want it in their super
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: funds so I can feather the ness of their various
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: union operators. And even under law they're trying to push
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: the super funds into projects that they desire, such as guess.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: What more, renewable failures.
• 46:46
  Speaker 23: So the irony of this Prime Minister is saying that
• 46:49
  Speaker 23: the Liberal Party and the coalition parties want to take
• 46:51
  Speaker 23: Australia back.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: The man has no truth in him.
• 46:54
  Speaker 23: The irony of Anthony Albanez is saying to Australians that
• 46:58
  Speaker 23: other people want to damage this country. No government has
• 47:01
  Speaker 23: done more damage to Australia in recent generations than the
• 47:04
  Speaker 23: Albanezy Charmers government.
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: There is no truth in him. We need to fire
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: this liar.
• 47:09
  Speaker 23: The list of untruths that come out of that man's
• 47:12
  Speaker 23: mouth are just legion, and that is just the latest
• 47:15
  Speaker 23: one of them.
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: To me at reeks of desperation, You've got a government
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: under pressure.
• 47:19
  Speaker 23: There's no one else that can blame for the productivity problems,
• 47:22
  Speaker 23: no one else that can blame for the fracturing in
• 47:24
  Speaker 23: social cohesion.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: There is no one else that can blame.
• 47:27
  Speaker 23: For the tanking of the housing market, for the fact
• 47:29
  Speaker 23: that first home buyers have deserted the housing market. There
• 47:33
  Speaker 23: is nobody else that can blame for the lack of
• 47:35
  Speaker 23: security supending.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: It's all on alban Ezy. So what does he do?
• 47:38
  Speaker 23: Sit there and you know, furfy here, burfy there, because
• 47:41
  Speaker 23: you can't tell.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: The truth very quickly before we go.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: A lot of we're just out of time, Sorry, Cara,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: I've just got to try and squeeze this in. A
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: lot of kids had time off school on Friday. This
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: is some of what they got up to.
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: I'm at the student's protest against Pauline Hanson. Let's see
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: what they have to say. You guys, what would you
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: do today?
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: I'm not going I.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Car, I was just shocked by this is the sickening.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: I'd be so disgusted if I knew any kids involved
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: and that what are your thoughts?
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: It's absolutely appalling.
• 48:20
  Speaker 24: And we haven't seen this sort of rubbish since the
• 48:23
  Speaker 24: BLM protest back in twenty twenty, and evidently the lesson
• 48:28
  Speaker 24: hasn't been learned because that particular protest movement didn't turn
• 48:32
  Speaker 24: out so well. Neither did the climate change one. So
• 48:34
  Speaker 24: maybe the kid should just stay in school.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Maybe stay in school, and maybe they shouldn't be out
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: there threatening to kill people and squaring like that.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: That that.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Jenma and Carolina appreciate it greatly.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: I want to share some of your feedback to what
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: I had to say last week about the Prime Minister
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: and his melongate saga. This one in particular was impressive.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: We've got a new twenty four viewer from Japan send
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: us a message in Japanese that we've translated. Says the
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: situation is not down in Japan. The Japanese people are furious.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Will follow that up in the next couple of days.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: And David says, what a creep appearing with a half
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: naked social media personality at the official residence yet well,
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: and he just still hasn't fronted up about it and apologized.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me. Peter quilins up next.