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TMCP EP 21: Is Xander Zayas the Real Deal? · The Mixed Company Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In this corner standing it six foot five weight class
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  Speaker 1: unknown hailing from Sin City, Las Vegas, Jamison Wells and
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  Speaker 1: in this corner standing in five foot nine Wayne Town
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  Speaker 1: with six wins.
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  Speaker 2: Three losses, two arrests, four late payments on student loans.
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  Speaker 1: And two total bankruptcies Hits, Doug Classy, I'll go home in.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to another episode of the Mixed Company Podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, I'm one of your hosts, Jamison Wils and
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  Speaker 3: as always I'm joining my the classy alcoholic Classy.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on man, Jamison?
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  Speaker 4: I am still riding high today, not just from all
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  Speaker 4: the whiskey I had before the show, but from our
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  Speaker 4: previous episode. If you were a new listener, two weeks ago,
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  Speaker 4: we had an amazing interview with a boxing promoter former
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  Speaker 4: professional fighter named Bobby Hits. We've been getting some great
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  Speaker 4: twenty of our show. You won't regret it. Love Bobby Hitson.
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  Speaker 2: I would love.
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  Speaker 4: To have him back as well for the future because
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  Speaker 4: he was phenomenal. But today, yeah, today, we welcome you
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  Speaker 4: all to episode twenty one. Our show is officially old
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  Speaker 4: enough to drink, so we're celebrating by taking it to
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  Speaker 4: the club and getting it totally smashed tonight. In the meantime,
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  Speaker 4: we got a lot to get to, so let's leave
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  Speaker 4: through today's copy of The Boxing Gazette, the number one
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  Speaker 4: source for boxing.
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  Speaker 2: News, James Sin.
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  Speaker 4: Since our previous episode, we had the much hyper turn
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  Speaker 4: of Many Pecchio against Mario Barrios. I made the prediction
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  Speaker 4: that the fight would go the distance, but that Barrios
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  Speaker 4: would win. Turns out it was a draw. You made
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  Speaker 4: the prediction that we would see more washedness from Many
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  Speaker 4: than people would expect. I do not personally feel that
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  Speaker 4: your prediction was correct based on the performance we saw,
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  Speaker 4: but I want to get your take on it and
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  Speaker 4: what you saw on the night of July nineteenth.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't correct at all. I was kind of surprised,
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  Speaker 3: but also I have a lot of respect for pakial
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  Speaker 3: like being that of age, being ready, being somewhat in
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  Speaker 3: relative good shape for that fight, like he was there
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  Speaker 3: to fight, And you gotta give credit because as boxes
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  Speaker 3: get older, we know the gymps details not there, we
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  Speaker 3: know the training is not always the same. So for
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  Speaker 3: him to look prepared, to look ready, and you can
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  Speaker 3: make an argument that he won the fight. I think
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  Speaker 3: it was a good performance for him. The only issue
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  Speaker 3: is I think we're gonna try to see more fight
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  Speaker 3: from him, and I don't think that's a great idea
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  Speaker 3: because now you're talking about different names. So it's one
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  Speaker 3: thing to fight against the Barrios, but now there's hardly
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  Speaker 3: another name, and some other fighters looking names too. For
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  Speaker 3: various reasons. We know why, but I think we kind
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  Speaker 3: of either comment down just to be I think he
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  Speaker 3: got cool it down because he's still what forty six
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  Speaker 3: forty six absolutely, and the guy he's mentioning are better
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  Speaker 3: than Burials. They're younger than he is. And I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if that's the right idea. However, there's paydays that
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  Speaker 3: are there to be had, so I get it. And
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  Speaker 3: if many owls back taxes or ow some debt and
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  Speaker 3: this is way out of it, who am I to
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  Speaker 3: say he shouldn't fight.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean two things can be true. One that
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  Speaker 4: he was his comeback was for the money. We've said
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  Speaker 4: that on this show and I believe it.
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  Speaker 2: But two that you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, we've got to give him respect for how he looked,
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  Speaker 4: how he fought. Yeah, I mean I was happy with
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  Speaker 4: the draw as the decision. I think it was. It
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  Speaker 4: was solid. Still don't think he really eked out the wind.
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  Speaker 4: But again, different people see different things. It's live, it's
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  Speaker 4: happening really fast. Many still has a lot of speed
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  Speaker 4: to him, so you know, it's very different in watching
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  Speaker 4: it from on TV than having the judges score it there.
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  Speaker 4: So but I was happy with the result. But yeah,
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  Speaker 4: the one thing that I I'm kind of worried about
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  Speaker 4: is that, you know, he's he's on his own supply,
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  Speaker 4: which is all he was just going to be a
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  Speaker 4: problem for boxers. Often he's talking about Roly Romero, he's
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  Speaker 4: talking about Tank.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Here's the thing.
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  Speaker 4: I think he should leave well Enoughaloe. I think he
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  Speaker 4: should enjoy his big comeback. He looked great and the
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  Speaker 4: audience the best part of it was the audience losing
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  Speaker 4: their minds over Manny's comeback at the Arena they kept
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  Speaker 4: cheering his names. He put on a great show for
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  Speaker 4: the people, for his fans, all the people that loved
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  Speaker 4: them from back in the day were thrilled to see him,
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  Speaker 4: you know, come back. And then I'll let's be honest,
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  Speaker 4: not embarrass himself in the ring.
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  Speaker 2: What more do you want?
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  Speaker 3: Man?
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  Speaker 2: What more do you want?
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  Speaker 4: I think he should right off into the sunset, but
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if he doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think about those potential matchups? So what
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  Speaker 2: do you think about a Tank matchup? No?
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  Speaker 3: No, And we can talk about Tank a little little
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  Speaker 3: later or even now. I got to be fight a
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  Speaker 3: whole lot of fights.
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  Speaker 2: Just in general.
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  Speaker 3: It's always something, whether it's all retired legal problems, it's
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  Speaker 3: not just always something.
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  Speaker 2: And yes, it would do good numbers people would tune
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  Speaker 2: in to.
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  Speaker 3: Watch, But it feels like tenk OUs other things going
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  Speaker 3: on right now, so I don't think that's gonna work.
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  Speaker 3: Rowley is interesting only because it fits the whole Mexican
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  Speaker 3: versus Filipino type of boxing match that always does well,
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  Speaker 3: like always like marketability wise, it always does well. However,
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  Speaker 3: Rowley's a lot younger, more aggressive, don't they has a
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  Speaker 3: great matchup for Pacia could be wrong. I only has
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  Speaker 3: a great matchup just thinking in general, but I get
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  Speaker 3: it because people want paydays, and like a guy, he's
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  Speaker 3: found a lot of guys, but I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Know if he's got to pay a lot of money.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he's got these, you know, relatively well off for
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  Speaker 3: regular person, but as a boxer, he's been on the
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  Speaker 3: b side of a lot of these matches, so I
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  Speaker 3: don't know money wise where he's at. So that's why
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  Speaker 3: I can see him like, yeah, of course I'll take
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  Speaker 3: this fight. BEA's probably guaranteed five million guy would understand.
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  Speaker 3: But honestly, Pakal being forty six, I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: he wants to get in the ring with a dangerous fighter.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that makes sense. Like him fighting Tank
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't make sense at all. Tank would end his career.
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  Speaker 3: But I just think with Tank, there's some of other
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  Speaker 3: variables there.
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  Speaker 2: Just don't know. But it is fascinating.
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  Speaker 3: But I think boxing has this problem to where we're
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  Speaker 3: always banking on the guys from yesteryear to sell fights,
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  Speaker 3: and I think that's a bad idea because we have
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  Speaker 3: younger guys that are really good. Even the Mega fight
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  Speaker 3: that's coming up in about a month and a half.
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  Speaker 3: Those guys are in their mid to late thirties. Those
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  Speaker 3: guys have already had a prime and this is a
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  Speaker 3: mega event. We need to focus on younger guys that
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  Speaker 3: can push the sport and bring into different heights, hopefully
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  Speaker 3: new heights. But we're still pushing guys in their forties
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  Speaker 3: in the late thirties, and we kind of need to
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  Speaker 3: get away from that for the betterment of the sport.
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  Speaker 2: I'm with you, that's a well.
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  Speaker 4: You made so many good points there, but yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: dislike sort of going back to the well as much
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  Speaker 4: as we have, But that's kind of culture in general.
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  Speaker 4: I went to see whatever thirty years later, sequel twenty
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  Speaker 4: five years later, sequel two. I Know what you did
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  Speaker 4: last summer This weekend, I completely wasted my time watching
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  Speaker 4: Happy Gilmore Too.
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  Speaker 2: Absolute waste of time, total trash. Do not watch it.
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  Speaker 2: But that's just kind of a thing.
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  Speaker 4: It's just where I'll kind of stick with the movie
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  Speaker 4: analogy for a bit, you know, having Gillmore to all
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  Speaker 4: those jokes are rehashed from the first thing, and people are,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, do you not want something new? You
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  Speaker 4: know you like the original because it was fresh and
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  Speaker 4: new and clever. Do you really want to just see
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  Speaker 4: that stuff again and go oh, I remember that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: And that kind of translates to, you know, these fighters
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  Speaker 4: that we want to keep bringing back, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: the whole Tyson debacle from last year, you know, the
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  Speaker 4: you know, Manny come back, and there's people online saying,
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  Speaker 4: what about Many and Floyd rematch?
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, can't see that. Get out of my face?
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  Speaker 2: With the ten years ago? The original was ten years ago.
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  Speaker 3: We don't need and it was late then, like it
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  Speaker 3: was late when it happened.
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  Speaker 2: We don't need it. We don't need It's like, we
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  Speaker 2: don't there's nothing of that matchup.
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  Speaker 3: I need to see it again, like we kind of
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  Speaker 3: knew it was gonna happ when they first matched up.
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  Speaker 3: We don't need a second fight there. We don't necessarily
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  Speaker 3: need that. However, for the casual fan, the person that
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  Speaker 3: only watches the very big fights, I get it. You're
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  Speaker 3: getting that money, so I understand that. But man, with
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  Speaker 3: all that being said, come on, man, we don't necessarily
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  Speaker 3: need to rely on guys at the back end or
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  Speaker 3: even way past their prime. I think it does e
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  Speaker 3: sport of the service because there are so many other
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  Speaker 3: young and up and coming guys that are really good,
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  Speaker 3: that are really really really good, that they just don't
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  Speaker 3: get the same type of opportunity, and I think that
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  Speaker 3: hurts the sport overall.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you made a good point, Many versus floidos ten
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  Speaker 4: years ago prime Manny was twenty years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think here's and here's the thing, no matter what,
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  Speaker 4: if we're gonna have an old timer or a granty comeback,
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  Speaker 4: it has to be for a belt, like, it has
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  Speaker 4: to be legit, for the record, for a tight show,
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  Speaker 4: whatever it is. I don't just want to see a
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  Speaker 4: showcase for fun with a couple of old timers who
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  Speaker 4: have been retired for years. That's something that I said
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  Speaker 4: before and I'll stick to it. I respect Manny for
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  Speaker 4: actually fighting a champion and you know, trying to It
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  Speaker 4: was a legit fight, so it wasn't just a you know,
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  Speaker 4: it wasn't what Mike Tyson and Roy Jones Junior from
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  Speaker 4: three four years ago whenever. That was another one that
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, what are you guys do it? But here's
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  Speaker 4: the thing. I agree with you. We do not need
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  Speaker 4: to see Many fight a younger guy. We do not
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  Speaker 4: need to see him fight Tank. But how much of
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  Speaker 4: Manny's mindset after this fight was like, I I still
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  Speaker 4: got it, I can still still take Tank.
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  Speaker 2: Does he believe of course, we're not mind readers.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just saying, you know, is that could that be
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  Speaker 4: a factor in a lot of guys, guys heads who
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  Speaker 4: you know, they get it, they get high on their
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  Speaker 4: own supply. I keep going back to that and say,
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 3: Please, So we all got group chats, we all have
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  Speaker 3: our friends, our communities, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Right,
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  Speaker 3: So that being said, there's a group chat with Manny
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  Speaker 3: and his people where it's his friends, his business partners,
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  Speaker 3: whomever that's saying, hey man, you look really good last weekend.
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  Speaker 3: How are you feeling? And then the ideas start. Whether
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  Speaker 3: all the ideas are good or not, it's a whole
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  Speaker 3: different conversation. But there's a lot of theories that have
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  Speaker 3: been thrown out there. I bet you they've been matchups,
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  Speaker 3: there's been money, there's a lot of things going on
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  Speaker 3: over the last like ten days or so since that
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  Speaker 3: fight that hey man, I wouldn't be surprised if there
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  Speaker 3: is an announcement soon or later on his next fight,
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  Speaker 3: because one, he looked relatively well for all they considered. Secondly,
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  Speaker 3: bears a market for him to fight like People are
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  Speaker 3: gonna tune in and watch if he's fighting. That's his
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  Speaker 3: nature of the beast. No matter how you slice it.
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  Speaker 3: If Manny Pachiall is fighting in a sanctioned fight, people
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  Speaker 3: will tune in and watch. He is a huge name.
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  Speaker 3: He's one of the faces of the sport over the
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  Speaker 3: last twenty five years. People will watch. That's just how
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  Speaker 3: it is. You can't there's no other way to describe it.
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  Speaker 3: That's just how it goes. With that being said, though,
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  Speaker 3: how smart and strategic is he doing this? Does he
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  Speaker 3: fight a lesser known guy or does he go for
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  Speaker 3: the huge payday because he can the way he looked
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  Speaker 3: other last Saturday. For if he looked like that again,
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  Speaker 3: he has a couple more fights in him to where
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  Speaker 3: he can make some more dollars. But if he goes
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  Speaker 3: for the big, big fight, then I don't know, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know.
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  Speaker 2: No, I agreed.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he looked as good as any of you know,
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  Speaker 4: any very good boxer today. You know, yes, he didn't
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  Speaker 4: look like prior many twenty years ago, But I would
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  Speaker 4: say probably not. He wouldn't do well against a Tank.
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  Speaker 4: Probably would do very well against Roly, who is a
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  Speaker 4: talented fighter, knows the disrespect. But yes, that is true,
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  Speaker 4: That is very true. Rollie's win against Ryan, which I
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  Speaker 4: predicted was gonna happen, was more because Ryan's kind of
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  Speaker 4: a brute bully and he got out boxed twice. Maybe
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  Speaker 4: we can diguez ass out of the grave to put
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  Speaker 4: it back on that. But speaking of Tank, so there's
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  Speaker 4: the rumors out there the Tank would would potentially take
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  Speaker 4: a Many fight, but also for the wrong reasons for
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  Speaker 4: the payday, because, uh, the Lamont roach fight was supposed
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  Speaker 4: to happen around August. Nothing's been declared, nothing's been signed,
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  Speaker 4: nothing's been announced. Doesn't necessarily mean anything because fights get
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  Speaker 4: delayed all the time, et cetera, et cetera. Tank was
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  Speaker 4: in jail for domestic violence recently, so he's his stock
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  Speaker 4: has been crumbling this past year really hard. So I
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  Speaker 4: think that potentially it could be Tank sticking to his
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  Speaker 4: guns about retirement and running off into the sunset with
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  Speaker 4: a Many fight because that would net a pay day
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  Speaker 4: for both of them. Of course i'd watch it, but
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  Speaker 4: I don't know that I'd love the idea, but it
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  Speaker 4: does seem like sort of the best exit strategy for
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  Speaker 4: where Tank is now, especially compared to how the like,
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  Speaker 4: the excitement for the Roach fight wasn't even there in
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  Speaker 4: the first place. Let's be honest. Yeah, the only reason
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  Speaker 4: it was such a big deal was because of how
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  Speaker 4: it turned out. Sorry, the only reason a rematch seemed
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  Speaker 4: like a big deal was because of how it turned out.
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  Speaker 4: But that's not something that you can really keep milking.
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  Speaker 4: You know, the time for Tank versus Roach too is
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  Speaker 4: going to be. If it's not gone now, it's going
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  Speaker 4: to be gone very soon. So I don't know, what
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  Speaker 4: do you think about that potential legs of strategy for Tank.
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  Speaker 3: It's very difficult now because even like this, we had
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  Speaker 3: a situation where I think it was September, like mid
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  Speaker 3: September was the or late September was the original date.
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  Speaker 3: We're seven weeks away from that now. I don't see.
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  Speaker 3: Usually a fight gets announced with two months to market.
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  Speaker 3: That's the normal. You have a fight unless it's something minor,
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  Speaker 3: but a major fight gets like two months to market,
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  Speaker 3: press tour, et cetera, et cetera. We're at that stage now.
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  Speaker 3: And I haven't seen no, I haven't seen nothing agreement.
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  Speaker 3: No one knows tank situation, so I don't know, Like
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  Speaker 3: I honestly don't know what's going on. And Tank doesn't
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  Speaker 3: have like a big promotion company behind.
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  Speaker 2: Him to be like, hey, with that being said, you
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  Speaker 2: know this is what's going on. There's going to spend
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  Speaker 2: the narrative.
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  Speaker 3: There's no one to calm down rumors or here's the
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  Speaker 3: nutt It's just all things go. So right now, we
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  Speaker 3: don't know if Tank's gonna fight again. We don't know
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  Speaker 3: if that fight's gonna happen. The way Lamont Roach is talking,
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  Speaker 3: he feels reserved that there's not gonna be a fight
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  Speaker 3: besween him and Tank this year. The way he's what
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  Speaker 3: I've seen some of the conversations, some of the tweets
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  Speaker 3: and the posts and everything, it feels like that shit
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  Speaker 3: may have sailed and that Roach is about to be
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  Speaker 3: moving on because his name is hot right now, he
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  Speaker 3: should be able to capitalize and try to move up
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  Speaker 3: and make as much as he can, try to get
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  Speaker 3: a belt from somebody or be in a contention for
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  Speaker 3: a belt and go from there. So why wouldn't he,
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  Speaker 3: you know, take advantage of the situation he has.
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  Speaker 2: You can't wait on a tank.
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  Speaker 3: Tank got a lot going on, No one knows anything,
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  Speaker 3: and eventually it comes to the point where either we
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  Speaker 3: got to sign up for or move on.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that date's coming soon because you just
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  Speaker 2: can't keep waiting.
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  Speaker 4: You just can't, right, And nobody would would blame roach
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  Speaker 4: for moving on. Nobody would say, well, you're duck in
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  Speaker 4: the rematch, blah blah blah. You know, it's understandable he's
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  Speaker 4: kind of left hanging. I mean, I don't know, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: something could get announced. How about this, If that fight
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  Speaker 4: or another tank fight gets announced before the end of
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  Speaker 4: this year, I think we're still in solar territory if
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  Speaker 4: Tank is waiting until twenty twenty six to do anything.
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  Speaker 4: Like my man is just out of the conversation.
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  Speaker 3: So it's tough because he has a legal situation and
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  Speaker 3: we don't know what's going on with that. He might
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: be on house arrest, he might be on probably there
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: might be rules of his release that we don't know yet.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: So we have no idea what's going on in this situation.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: So that's the thing that makes this thing very very interesting,
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: is that we're all waiting to see on what the
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: actual move is because right now we feel like we're
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: all in the dark. Everyone's in the dark. He's not
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: saying anything since the case happened. He's been quiet. No
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: one knows anything. We don't know who's really running his.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Show, so we're all just kind of out the blue.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: But also, we have a mega fight coming up in
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: a month and a half, and we're gonna be talking
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: about that more and more as the date comes about.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: We're not enough about taking roach until that fight's over
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: and done with and then some so I don't really
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: know what's going on. It doesn't make they're making all
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: the wrong moves with this matchup. That rematch should have
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: been set right away and they should have been fighting
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: right around this time. That should have been done a
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: two or three month situation and bloom, let's run it
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: right back.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: But this is crazy, Like this is wild.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: That's a really good point about Canelo Crawford happening in September.
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: I mean then that means nothing can happen till after that,
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: closer to October, which means it would be a December fight,
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: which which was supposed to happen last year December of
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: twenty four and got pushed back so earliest with the
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: two month lead up, yeah, December of this year. But again,
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: if that gets delayed at all, then we're going to
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: twenty six and that's a full near to full year
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: to Tech fight.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: And again, whether the Tank goes to jail, then the
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: fight's done. Also that, I mean, we don't know any
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: Like said, there's so many variables with it. That sucks
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: because fans we want to see one of the faces
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: of the sport fight. We want to see Tank fight.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: We have our opinions about what he is and how
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: good he could be and how good he actually is.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: That's all fair, but he's still won the most recognizable
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: face of the sport. We want to see him fight.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: We want to see him. He's the one guy outside
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: of the two guys that are fighting in two weeks
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: that people will pay pay per view prices to see fight.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: There is something to go with that. There's something to
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: be said for that.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: And to lose one of those guys on some bs
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: and for basically you're not taking care of business. It's
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: really unfortunate because it would not surprise if we never
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: saw him fight again. They wouldn't surprise. I'm not saying
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: I would bet on it, but it wouldn't surprise me.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: That's a really, uh really fair point.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: Rumors are also out there that he could take another
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: big payday by fighting Jake Paul and then dipping and
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: sticking to the retirement, which we have said that Jake
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: Paul is excommunity Kado from the podcast like like from
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: John Wick.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Thank you too. If you take that fight, you are
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: dead to me.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, look you so. I can't say that because
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: here's the thing. If you're guaranteed one hundred and fifty million,
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: I get it. I can't as a task paying American,
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: I ain't gonna say. I ain't gonna say no, wise
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: a fool turning that down and then he's getting that
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: kind of money. I don't like it, but I understand.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't agree with it. I may not
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: even watch, but I understand. But if you're doing it just.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: For show, just just to pass the time, that I
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: gotta see record setting numbers. If you pull us something
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: like that, the amount of guaranteed money has to be
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: so high that it's like, oh, well, he couldn't turn
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: that down something like that.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: If it's not that, then I don't want to hear
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: about it, right.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: And you're right, I understand as well, and understand that
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: he's going to be dead to me if he takes
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: that fight.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: I understand. I get it because we take boxing seriously.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Most of the country does not, but we take boxing
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: very seriously. So when you see some shenanigans going, then yeah,
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: it ain't really cool. However, if you get promises, you
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: get guaranteed nine figures and you're about to work hire anyway, Like, hey,
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: I understand now that being said, you're fighting basically an
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: amateur eye and if that happens, that's basically been picking
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: fights and whatnot. Are you really going to knock this
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: guy out? Like is that really gonna happen?
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? So it's a lot. I
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: hope that. I hope we don't come to that. I
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: hope he doesn't come to that. Let's say it like that,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: that's true, Yeah, we should.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: We shouldn't get into like what would happen if and
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: then let's let's just let's just kind of cross our
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: fingers that.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: He doesn't have to that low such a bitch. Okay.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: Next up on the news less Saturday, Zender Zias became
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: the WBO Junior middle World Champion in his fight againstp
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: it Is. Xander Sias is a Puerto Rican fighter based
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: in New York, and at twenty two years old, he
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: is the youngest current world champion out there. Jamison, we've
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: talked on the show about how a lot of guys
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: are getting world title shots sooner than they used to.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Back in the day.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: You had to have more fights on your record before
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: a title shot was even possible. But you know, we've
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: also talked about how there's just less active fighters as
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: whole in the sport.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: So what's your songs on this? Maybe there's less fights
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: to go through.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: Before you become a world CHAMPI because there's also less
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: dudes to fight.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: It's tricky because everybody's trying to get to the bag, right,
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: That's like the situation. Every boxer wants to make as
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: much as possible as soon as possible, So whomever can
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: promise those fights, that's who they're going with. That may
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: not be the best for the developmental purposes. But from
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: what we're saying, what's been going on last I would
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: say four to five years, is we're seeing guys move
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: up the ranks very quickly and get to the title
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: fights quickly than we ever have before ever. And they're
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: not fighting like four times zero either. They're fighting maybe
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: three times every fifteen months. It feels like God's fighting
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: maybe every now and then you get a guy wants
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: every three every thirteen months, but for the most part,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: God's final every four to five months on average.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: That's what it feels like.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: With that being said, I don't mind it per sec
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: and that's just the air we're in. I would just
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: caution of even though somebody has a belt at a
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: young age, that doesn't mean what it meant.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Twenty years ago or thirty years ago.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: I think you have to understand and adjust how things
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: were when we start watching boxing and what they are now.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: You mentioned there's not a whole lot of great candidates
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: like that it was back in the day. The pool
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: overall boxers is a lot thinner than it used to be.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: So a world champion twenty two, yes, it's very impressive.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Would never take nothing like that away from anyone. However,
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: with that being said, I do think we have to
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: adjust and adapt for this era and kyboy Hole, let's
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: pump the brakes a little bit. Let's see the next
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: couple of fights and see what's really real. I think
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: that's the most important thing right now.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: Zender also called out Sebastian Fundora, who I don't know
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: if you saw him fight on the Pacchio about his card.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: He's that light middleweight, huge set of a bitch who's
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: six foot six and he's at light middleweight, which means
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty four pounds, which my god, I
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: don't even know how that's possible, to be honest with you,
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: Just like how somebody can have that much body walking
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: around and still weigh one hundred and fifty four, like
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: up five to nine.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: I probably weigh one hundred.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: And fifty four in like college, maybe right after college.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: But but Seves, you know, he's his belt. Let's see,
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: he's got the WBC belt type. I believe so Zenders
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: I was already talking about unifying, which another thing. You know,
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: what about a couple of fights in between, what a
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: couple of couple of mandatory challengers.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Why immediately go to you know.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Unifying the belts? Could be that that's just the quickest
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: way to uh, you know, to start him to money,
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: to fame, et cetera. But when there's a talented young
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: guy with potential, I want to see him fight different
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: kinds of dudes.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: So he's, yeah, he's he's very.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: Young and has he's very talented, and he has a
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: lot of a lot of career ahead of him. I
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: just want to kind of want to see him develop
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: the skills. And you know, there's some people out there
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: that are saying, you know, he doesn't beat the biggest
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: guys at at his weight class, but it would be
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: a very interesting challenge for someone who's six to six.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: You know, Xendersayas is like five', ten so a more
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: normal normal size for somebody at that weight. Class we
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: Saw Sebastian funa Beat Tim, Zu australian, fighter at That bodios.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: Fight the man has reached like, Crazy so you have
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: to really be be able to get on the inside
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: and not be scared Of that's not that's not easy for.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: Anybody so WHEN i was, sparring you, know LIKE i,
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: Said i'm five to. Nine, HONESTLY i was one of
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: the bigger, guys taller guys in my boxing classes because
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: the boxes are, short that's why they start. Fighting so,
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: uh and you THINK i was, like oh, wait taller
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: than all these, Dudes i'm gonna beat shit out of all. Them,
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: no because those guys weren't afraid of, me they were
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: able to get on the. Inside i'm getting hit with,
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: Uppercuts i'm getting hit with body shots BEFORE i knew
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: what was. Happening, so you, know somebody that's really tall
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: with a long reach is, not you, know invincible by any. Means, No,
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: yeah but it takes a lot of, skill a lot
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: of RING iq and just fighting on the inside is
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: its own skilled that you, KNOW i never really. Mastered
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: but But i've tried enough times and failed enough times to.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: Know you, know you have to really just focus on
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: being able to throw punches on the, inside stay in the, kitchen,
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: uh to to get by anybody with a lot of,
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: reach with a lot of, height.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: AND i don't. KNOW i, mean then there's our. Kid
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: he's a very talented. Kid but you, can't.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Can't you can't just call, out you, know every dude
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: with a belt right off the.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Bat but, again like we just, mentioned, though these boxers
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: are looking for the, bread they're looking for the, money
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: and the only way you can get money is wind
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: belt and. Fight whoever has, them and that's. It so
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: it's no Longer, HEY i need to get better from
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: the betterment of my. Career that's long. Gone now that's
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: we're out. That like we got guys getting title fights
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: within the first like twelve, fights you know WHAT i? Mean,
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: like so where the Whole remember back in the, day
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: you need to see guy fight like he was like
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: twenty nine to zero in his first title. Fight that's.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Long we're never gonna see that. Again we're that's all
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: the way out for a lot of. Reasons AND i get,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: it because there's a lot of money, involved Right whoever
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: the promotion company, is they've invested a lot of money the,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: boxer and this campus invests a lot of money in,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Time SO i get.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: It, however with that being, said man it's.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: Be careful what you ask, for because even though you
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: might have the talent and skills to win a belt
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: and make a lot of, money there's a certain maturity
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: that comes along with moving up and taking those big
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: fights that has to match your skill and it has
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: to match your boxing, ability and if that doesn't, mix
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: then they can be a very very interesting situation where
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: you do not get the most out of your. CAREER
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: i think people have to understand the best the most.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Boat the best situation would be to make the most
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: money throughout your, career not make it so early and
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: then you phase. Out no one wants to phase. Out
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: you want to, keep you want to gradually. Grow but
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: it's as hard to play with the people because right now,
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: boxing the boxing business has taken a step ahead of
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: the actual boxing fighting.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Itself AND i think that's a big problem that we've
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: had in the sport for a.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: While then that's an ongoing conversation that we've had since
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: the very beginning of the. Show, YEAH i MEAN i
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: worry about, yeah young guys flaming out because they get
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: too big for their. Breches you, know call out this,
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: guy called that guy ready and not even a matter
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: of you, know they fight another guy for a, belt they.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: LOSE i personally don't ride off a fighter because he
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: has a few, losses but a lot of boxing fans.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: Do all of a, sudden you Know exander's, eyes you,
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: know he's he's a big, name he's got a lot of.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: Cachet let's, say calls that sevestally for loses and all
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: of a, sudden it's like this fucking. Kid he wasn't,
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: shit he wasn't, ready blah, blah and all of a
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: sudden his stock drops and you, know we kind of
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: lose a potential young guy that could be fighting for
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: another ten.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Years so they were like this.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: Too so think about the, nineties eighties and, nineties in
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: the early to mid two, thousands if a guy was
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: coming up.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: And he didn't do so, well he just. Lost it
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: was no social.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Media there was no, blogs there was no Podcast we're
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: adding on, somebody you just lost and you got? Better are,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: you you, know doing an actual the drawing. Board if
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: you lose now and you got a little bit of, Hype,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: instagram you're a. Bum, facebook you're a. Bum Ax Blue
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: sky you're a. Bum everybody's, podcasts everybody's, blogs all the.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Fans they have way more accessibility to.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: You so mentally it's hard to recover if you flame
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: out early than it was back in the. Day back
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: in the day you got a couple of rough fights early,
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: on you can build back up and get back on.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Track this day and, age you lose a couple of fights,
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: early you might as well lower For amazon.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Bru that's another good point that it's kind of clicking with.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: You, now a lot of these young, guys they're way
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: younger than we, are and it is. Hard it's hard
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: for anybody when you're just getting constant hate on social
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: media over and. Over you, know it takes a lot
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: to just kind of shut that. OFF i feel like
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: guys our age or, older we didn't grow up with,
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: That we don't even live that. Life so it might
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: be easier to say, whatever you, know kind of blow it,
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: off put the phone. Down but when you're a young,
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: guy you're you, know twenties coming up in, boxing and
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: you're always, online even for good, reasons like for.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Promotion you, know you want to be so you want
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: to get your.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: Name out, there you want to be followed On, Instagram
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: snapchat or whatever the. Hell but you're just getting constant
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: like you, suck you're, bum you're, trash you're, overrated, boring
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: blah blah, blah.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: You're, overrated overpay like all that.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Shit the moment you lose a fight that you were
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: favored in and you're a young, guy all bench. Off
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: you also got a remember people are also betting on
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: you as. Well now everybody around the, country in the
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: world is now betting which we didn't have twenty thirty years.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Ago so all those things when you look take it
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: back and look at. It if you're not mature enough
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: to handle, that and it happens all at, once there's
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: a good chance you don't recover from, it not because you,
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: suck just because mentally and mostly you're not there. Yet
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: you're not able to deal with. That and if you
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: don't have strong enough circle around, you good.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Luck.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: Sure AND i feel like a lot of washed people
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: like our age and, older, say, oh these kids are
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: just you, know these kids can't handle little criticism on
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: social media blah blah blah blah.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Blah BUT i don't. Know imagine every.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: Day you go in the, morning get a coffee and
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: the guy that kind of, says, hey you, suck go to,
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: Work core connect to, you, suck your, Trash you go
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: to the bar To bartenay says that you're. Trash that'll
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: get to. Anybody, okay that will get to. Anybody and
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: AGAIN i don't think it's REALLY i don't see how
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: a young boxer can make a name today without being
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: all over social.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Media that's just the. LANDSCAPE a great.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Point that's an amazing point because you have to get
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: yourself out.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: There you gotta market, yourself you have to be.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Out, there you gotta do so much Like emily told
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: us that and be, like, hey social media is a
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: huge part of WHAT i. Do so if she's saying,
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: that the boxers gotta do the same, thing if not,
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: more just get their name out, initially so you're absolutely.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Correct but also they even like this. Too it's not
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: just the boxers that are, impacted is they family and
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: friends also that are now a lot more accessible than
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: they were back in the. Day, now if a fighter
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: family was On, instagram you can find out who's. Who
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: the world's too all to not know who somebody.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: Is right absolutely speaking Of, Yeah Emily girton boxing promoter
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: also did an interview with us episode, fourteen so go
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: check that. Out she gave us a lot of behind
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: the scene info and just stuff that.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: We're talking about today right. NOW i, mean it really
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: resonates so awesome for our friend of the.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: Show and she was also helped us hook up With Bobby,
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: Hits so thank.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: You to, her like three or four times at this.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: Point switching it, up moving, on, well still talking About zender's.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Eye this fight last.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: Weekend that was the Last Top ranked card to be
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: aired ON, espn So Top rank did not renew its,
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: contract which means that officially there is no boxing promotional
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: company that airs on regular regular. Television every company is
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: with a streaming. SERVICE i don't remember all of them
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: off the top of my, head BUT pbc is With Amazon,
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: Prime Golden boy is With The.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Zone it's really the end of an. Era you.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: Know even back in the, DAY hbo was THE hbo
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: was synonymous with, boxing but they were still a subscription. Model,
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: now regular basic cable ass channels do not have boxing
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: matches on, them won't have, them and you, know it's
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: A i'm bummed about, it to be honest with. You
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: the biggest thing for me is you can't just walk
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: into a random dive bar with TVs that'll HAVE espn
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: on on A saturday night when boxing is, happening whether
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: it's a big fight or. Not SOMETIMES i just go
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: in and be, like, hey some, randoms some nobody's not,
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Nobody sorry my, Bad some PEOPLE i don't know are.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: FIGHTING i just like watching. Boxing let me go grab
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: a drink and if that bar HAS espn, on it'll be.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: There SO.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: I don't know what the, future, WELL i do know
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: what the future will look. Like everybody's going to be
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: at a streaming.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Service but just a.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: Personal, anecdote you, KNOW i believe last year it was
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: on my. Birthday it was on A thursday, Night Telfy
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: malopez was. FIGHTING i went out to this neighborhood dive
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: called The Silver, room shout out to. Them it was
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: A u of a basketball, Night university Of Arizona bass,
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: game a big. One EVERY tv in that bar was,
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: playing you, know a. Basketball every person in there, was you, know,
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: uh paying attention to the. Game me as the one
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: lonely boxing fan in the, PLACE i asked the, Bartender,
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: hey this ONE tv and not of people seem to
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: be watching. It CAN i just borrow this? One can
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: you put it ON espn SO i can watch? Boxing
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: and she said. Yes she was super cool about. It
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: and that was, Awesome like that feeling of just saying, like,
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: hey if you're a cool, bartender can you you switch
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: the channel for me SOMETHING i want to watch that's,
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: gone that feeling that that experience is going to be,
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: gone And I'm i'm really bummed about, it.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: To be quiet honest with.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: You so that don't get your take on what the
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: world is going to.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: Be LIKE hbo pulled out years, ago it was the
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: beginning of the end because they were the boxing.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Network they were the one where they took it seriously and.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: They put their all into the production of the, event
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: not just throwing on fights to have.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Fights it was a real life.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Production and when that, left you saw the riding on
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: the wall because even showtime they tried wasn't the. Same they,
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: tried they gave an, effort but it wasn't the. SAME
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: espn was there for a long, time but the effort
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: wasn't the, same but marketing wasn't the. Same and then
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: unfortunately we HAD pbc that came and. Went we had
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: stuff On fox AND cbs and that wasn't really, good
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: and we had top rank left AND espn unfortunately has
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: gone away for everything besides football and basketball and a
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: little bit of. Hockey SO i, HONESTLY i don't necessarily blame.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: BOXING i think it's a sign of the. Times but
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: we took boxing ON tv for, GRANTED i think the networks.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: DID i think the people.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: Did we didn't watch enough to make sure to stay
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: ON tv as a.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Whole as a mass as a group of.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: People we didn't all gravitate towards the free boxing in.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: A, sense we took it for.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Granted we figured out All tunate events are all tune
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: in for the main.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Event we didn't take it. Seriously and now it's all.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Gone now you have to have the oone. Subscription now
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: you have to have illegal links and all that. Stuff
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: not a fan of.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: It it, sucks but it feels like everything is evolving
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: and this is just another thing that's on the. List
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: like the way we watch fights now is just through
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: a link or a subscription or, app and that's. All
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: that's the new wave AND i don't see it going
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: back to what it once. WAS i think this is
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: it and we got to deal with.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: It, yeah it feels like going out of town and
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: trying to find out who's playing a pay per view,
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: fight like a major, match because if you don't know
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: if it's you, KNOW i know in my, town you
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: know who's, playing who plays? WHAT i have a pretty good,
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: idea but you, Know i've had to call in, like,
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: hey you're playing this fight on pay per? View, know,
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: okay blah blah. Blah and it feels like that just
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: for any ass regular ass fight with top rank BECAUSE
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: i don't, know my dives aren't going to have probably
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: not going to Have Amazon prime under old, TVs you,
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: know behind the.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: End here's the. THING i, like you're going at shitty.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: Places so if you maybe you, know you know we
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: mentioned before like a buffalo wild. Wings, Hell i've Seen
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: i've watched the fight At David busters just because uh
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: because why, not you, know just kind of go see
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: at different. Locations but, yeah just the place around the,
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: corner the little crappy dive bar with a couple of
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: TVs that always HAS espn that places. Out so, YEAH i,
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: mean who emerges as the next leader in boxing?
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Broadcasting like which app like which? Which well.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: The dazzing or de zone what everyone to call is
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: probably first in the lists because they at least they
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: feel they put effort behind their, product AND i can appreciate.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: That it feels Like netflix is always gonna be an
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: option because they need live content and they've had a
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: lot of successful events on they want to come to.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Sports SO i feels Like Netflix amazon are always gonna
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: be in the mix because there is such a need for.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: It but, man it's just one of those things to
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: where two.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: Things we need more boxes that people want to. See
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: that's the first thing we need more the overall talent
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: has dipped in the, sport and not necessarily saying guys
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: aren't as. Skillful they're not as good and marketable as
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: they once were way back. When we have guys that
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: are a good. Guy but Like boots in this no
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: one knows what he sounds. LIKE i don't know anything about.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Him besides he's For philadelphia and that he chooses his
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: fights very.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Carefully that's ALL i. Know BUT i don't know.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: ANYTHING i don't know what damn thing about. HIM i
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: don't know WHAT i don't know anything about. Him there
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: are so many good fighters out, there we just don't
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: know what damn thing. About there's no interesting things about these,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: guys so it's hard as hell to market. Them if
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: you're An, amazon why are you gonna pay twenty million
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: dollars for A boots in this? Event why are you
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: gonna pay that much FOR i, mean twenty. Minutes it's
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: all everything, right the production, trucks the, travel. Everything why
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: are you gonna pay all that money for a fighter
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: that no one really knows outside of hard boxing. Fans
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: so those are the THINGS i think, One boxers in
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: general got to be back to being, charismatic. Marketable you
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: gotta be able to sell fights while being. Good we
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: had a lot of that in the, nineties a lot of,
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: that and part of that was guys found The olympics as,
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: well but just in, general we had a lot of
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: guys that were fucking, marketable that were, cool that you
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: knew about that you saw fight at eighteen nineteen twenty
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: and you saw them rise and oh, shit they're trying
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: to Pro oh, shit, there this is the first title.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Fight we don't have that no, more like that's all.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: Gone but also a big part of it as well
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: is this day and age they boxing unfortunately is not
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: looked at the same as other, Sports SO, MMA ufc
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: and all that is looked at different than.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: BOXING espn is still in bed WITH ufc And Dana.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: White we gotta get boxing back to a spot to
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: where it's, like, oh we need to have.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: That we gotta have.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: THAT i don't know what else is there to do
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: about that unless we get another superstar athlete that becomes
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: a boxer and becomes dominant to, where oh, shit we
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: gotta have that guy basically A floyd Of Mike. Tyson
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: you need a guy that's like transcendent across all, sports
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: not just a great, boxer but he'sn't running for best
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: athlete in the whole.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: World we need.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: THAT i don't know who's capable of doing, that but
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: we need that to get back in the discussion in my.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: Opinion, yeah And i'm glad you Mentioned Dana white, actually
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: because there's rumors out there that HIS tko boxing, promotion
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: whatever it is you know that he's involved, with might
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: be an easy sign FOR. Espn easy easy sign, up
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: an easy contract to sign FOR.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Espn you, know not A ufc, FAN i.
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: Don't i'm not gonna SAY i hate on it or
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: anything like. THAT i don't SAY i put it On it's,
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: like oh that's stupid or. Whatever it's just never appealed to.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: Me but there is A ufc model THAT i have
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: been learning more ABOUT i was just ignorant. On but you,
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: Know Dana white is not the most the best regarded.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: Promoter you know underpays. Fighters you, know definitely you have
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: seen that the business is the biggest, thing and all
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: of his fighters secondary to, that they have no power
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: and like A canelo can choose wherever he, fights who he,
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: fights you, know but you know what promotion company is
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: With you're With Dana.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: White Dana white's in.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: Charge he's the, guy he's the god, king and you
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: better not piss him off because he will just derail.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: You is is What i'm.
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: Reading you, know let's, say allegedly allegedly, speaking but for, boxing.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: That doesn't sound very.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: Good that sounds like going back to the to the
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: heydays of A Don, king of those stories of, him you,
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: know screwing over fighters and not paying them. Enough and you,
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: know for whatever he did for the, sport he doesn't
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: have the best reputation all that. Thought So Bob aaron
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: was packed.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: Alstro motofall these, Years Pac yeah is still fighting in
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: his mid. Forties all these dudes is. Crooks all these
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: promoters are bad, people especially from that. ERA i DON'T
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: i can't speak on today's eric because that's a whole different.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Thing but all them promoters from back in the, day
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: they're all the. Same they all, talk they all just look,
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: different but they're all the.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Same that's.
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: Fair but from, again from What i've read allegedly, speaking
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: Dayn't white seems to be worse than ANYBODY ufc is
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: there's not enough money.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: Involved because here's the, issue unless you're like the, top top.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: Guy a lot of the fighters have like regular, jobs
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: like a lot of the guys on the undercar like
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: we talked, about we talked about the three pm and
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: four pm. Fights all them dudes got. Jobs like them
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: dudes got. Jobs they gotta be At Monday monday. Morning
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: so it's a little different than a boxer that's gonna
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: get paid one hundred grand or two fifty. Whatever that's
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: not the case in THE. Ufc, however just in, general
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: the money stays at the. Top there's very little trickle
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: down it comes to the money in that. Sport so
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: it's very interesting and fascinating when you hear about guys how, about,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah i'm worth, MORE i.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Should get paid.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: More that's Why Connor gregor hasn't. Fought you, know he
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: made his money and Oh I'M i mean this. Much
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Oh i'm. Cool like there's no there's no need because
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: the money stays at the top OF, ufc and a
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: lot of, guys especially the middle tier, guys they don't
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: get paid a whole.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: Lot, WELL i don't know how excited it will be
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: about fights on T KO espn if it does. Happen
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: but and, YEAH i don't necessarily want to support the In,
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: white but again Supporting we're supporting his comebacks left and.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Right you.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: Know, yeah again we talked about all The saudi, money
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: the Corrupt saudi money in. Boxing you, know it can't
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: really get away from. It there's no ethical consumption in,
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: capitalism my. God SO i don't, know it's just kind
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: of hard to. Say but at the end of the, day,
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: THOUGH i just really like watching. FIGHTS i like watching,
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: Boxing So i'm not going to say that.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Again IF i am in.
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: A dive bar And Dana WHITE'S tko boxing is ON,
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: espn Then i'm not going to be you, know, following paying,
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: attention following. Fighters maybe somehow there will be a guy
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: who is such a big deal that gets to break
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: away from.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: It that's kind of the the bigger.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: Thing is to to you, know leave leave the the
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: The Dana white Death star and try to make it somewhere.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: Else but kind of, speculating don't need to get into all.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: That at this.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: Point but, yeah maybe Like connor, McGregor maybe some guy
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: can make a really shitty whiskey and try to make
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: money off of that after they.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Retire, absolutely because more money and alcohol than there is. Fighting, yeah.
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: Exactly so moving, on let's follow up with Pop, pugilism
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: our recurring segment in which we discussed a, MOVIE tv
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: show or documentary about.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: Boxing, today we have a movie that's quite different than
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: the ones we've talked about. Before we are Discussing Fat
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: city from nineteen seventy. Two directed by the Legendary On,
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: houston the film Starred Stacy keach as washed up Boxer
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: Billy tully And Jeff bridges The dude himself when he
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: was a, baby as an upcoming young fighter Named Ernie.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: Munger this movie is about, boxers but not about, boxing
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: is WHAT i would. Say it's more of a dark
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: drama about poor and in some case desperate people who.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Look to boxing a lot in.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: Life SO i love this, Movie i'd love to say a.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: Lot but First, jamison give me your thoughts on. This
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: on this, flame it was.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: Cool it was kind of hard to follow along at.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: First it was kind of a tough. Watch in, general
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: it was, cool but to, me one of it was
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: based back in the, day so it was kind of
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: hard to. Follow it was free to, watch SO i
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: definitely appreciate the. Recommendation that was cool to have to
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: go on, apps just on YouTube on THE. TV i
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: had to kind of watch twice to kind of like
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: get more and more details about. It it wasn't a
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: bad movie at. All like you, said it had boxing in,
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: it but it wasn't a boxing. Movie whenever you have
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: a movie set In, Stockton, california one of the worst
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: places In, america, uh you know it's gonna be some
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: trial and triplations because that's one of the worst places
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: that kind of grow up at and try to figure
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: out out your way. From SO i definitely got. It
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: but it was just, fast like it was really. Fascinating
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: it was it was better THAN i, Expected i'll put
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: it that.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: Way, well just for my, EDIFICATION i don't know anything About, Stockton, California,
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: like can you give me just a breakdown of why.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: It's one of the worst. PLACES a lot of, crime
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: a lot of poor.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: People it's close To, sacramento it's. Close It's stockton is
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: it's where boxers would come. From it's a city where
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: you it would produce a lot of. Boxers that's a
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: city where education is for the you, know all the
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: all the, vastatistics you know how it, goes all the you,
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: know top five in this top you, know it's one
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: of those where a world champion would come from because
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: the hope is all lost except for, boxing ext for.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Sport so it's one of those. Cities and you gotta
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: be tough to get throw up. There you gotta be,
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: tough you gotta be, strong you gotta be able to.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Fight so all that makes, sense you know you're telling.
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: Me that just makes me appreciate this movie a lot
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: more because it really, it's LIKE i, said it starks
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: a little, bit a little bit cynical about you, know
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: the time and trying to get out of a rough.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: Situation so let me start. Here there is a style
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: of semis, movies especially. Dramas they're slow. Burned they don't speed,
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: spoonfoo they do not spoon feed you what's going. On
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: BUT i feel like when the movie's, over it's like
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: it's like you were looking at a tiny piece of
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: the picture you zoomed, out and it just hits you
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: like a ton of bricks what the movie was all.
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: ABOUT i especially felt that recently BECAUSE i watched The
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: conversation With Gene. HACKMAN i hadn't seen it, ever so
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: it's kind of the.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Same THING i was. WATCHING i was, like all, right
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: what's going on?
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: Here like feeling my way through these, characters the whirl
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: blah blah, blah and then close to the, end you're,
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: like it makes the whole movies just kind of come
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: into And Fat city does that as.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Well Stacy keach is a farm. Worker he.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: Encouraged he's a washtup boxer who who gets into farming
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: because he's not, fighting he's out of. Shape he Encourages
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: Jeff bridges to get into. Boxing Stacy keaches inspired and
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: wants to get back into. Fighting but, really the THING
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: i liked about this most it's refreshing to watch boxers
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: not end up rich or. Successful this is not a
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: typical triumph of the human spirit type of. Ending you,
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: know we talk about a lot of, fighters a lot
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: of real life fighters who are huge names and make cup.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Lines we're talking.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: About floyd, today we talked About Mike, tyson you, Know,
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: canelo et. Cetera but this movie is a reminder that
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: there are so many people who fight and fight for a.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: Living do not make, it who do not become, famous
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: who don't even make it out of the, Poorhouse and
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: it was really cool to see the.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Other side of, it you. Know and here's the.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: THING i know, that but BECAUSE i love watching you,
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: know boxing ON. TV i love doing the show and
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: talking about these. Guys so we're out there the big.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: Names you forget that a lot of people just fight
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: in their town small, towns not ON, tv trying to
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: make it. Big and it's kind of it's kind of
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: like trying to be an. Actor you, know you got
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: A Brad, pitt you gotta loud. DiCaprio how many dudes
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: have been grinding trying to get you, know extra work
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: and trying to write screenplays who just nothing comes of.
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: It they're working as you, know servers IN la for
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: for most of their. Lives and there's there's like a
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: i'd call, it like a killing field of dead, careers
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: uh in. Boxing SO i really appreciated that that this
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: movie kind of uh brought that to the. Forefront and,
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: yeah you know, it it's also cool to see boxing
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: as LIKE i, said as a way out of a
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: of a messed up situation because a lot of the
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: guys that are.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Big they come from from, nothing from, poverty.
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: From shitty situations where they got to do. It friend
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: of the, Show treni A. Shoa if you go back
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: to our interview with, him what did he say. That you,
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: know there was times when you Know worrid that couldn't
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: pay the, rent his family couldn't pay the rent when
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: he was a, teenager and he went went all in
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: on boxing and is trying to make a name for.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Himself you, know solid young.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: KID i expect a lot from, him but you, know
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: it's just the reality of the. Situation you, know you
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: a lot of the guys that make a big do
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: it because they do not want to go back to
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: come in from.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Nothing so there's a lot of there's a lot of
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: elements of race in.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: This movie too that bestly back then it made all
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: the sense because back then the seventies was still the,
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: seventies like you, know we're still going through a. Lot
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: so now it definitely made. Sense BUT i want to
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: talk to something you just brought. Up most people out
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: there don't know that there's four round fights and six
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: round fights in. Ballrooms there's a lot of smaller fights
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: around the country that are ON tv that don't make
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: the newspaper where you have guys literally fighting for. Survival
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: there's guys fighting to the starter, career keep a career,
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: going and it doesn't get talked. About and old people
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: were regular. PEOPLE i know of someone who fought a
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: four round fight before AND i went because that's what friends.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Do and it changes it changes perspective a, lot, because
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: like you, mentioned most people think of the superstars when
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: it comes to.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Box you don't think of the regular, guys the rank and.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: File you just. Don't so when.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: You, think LIKE i, said this movie is a different
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: perspective because most of the movies have been around superstars
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: have been about guys who are, Famous hall Of fame,
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: fighters et.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Cetera this is kind of, like hey.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: Man the run of the mill guy that might get
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: a shot on someone's, card but he's not fighting anytime
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: before around.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: The main, event to you know WHAT i. Mean so
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: it's just, Different like it's way.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: Different but, no there's a lot of fighters out there
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: that you will never know of that are constantly fighting
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: once a quarter because they still love it and they
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: feel in their hard hearts.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: That they're fired away from getting where're trying to get.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: To well and really there's so, many you, know opportunities
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: to come to just regular, guys guys with. Jobs like you,
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: said you know what could. Happen it's it's never it's never.
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: Likely becoming a superstar in any, sport in any in
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: acting is that it's never. Likely but when you.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Hear these, stories you, think, well why not.
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: Me it's not that the, people the fighters don't have,
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: skill because you got to have the skill to be up.
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: There it's just right, place right, time and a lot
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: of it is so much. Luck you could be the
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: best fighter in the world and just never make, it
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: and you can be an okay dude that just kind
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: of got an. Opportunity and, uh you, know like the
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: the keep going back to The british electrician who fought
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: to Court stevens in the last.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Minute you, know he.
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: Lost AS i said, BEFORE i remember his. NAME i
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: just don't feel like telling you what it. Is but you,
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: know after that he got signed With Eddie, hern you,
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: know because he made a name for himself getting out
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: there on a big, stage short notice shit like. That you,
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: know not to say that guy's career is gonna gonna go,
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: anywhere but crap like that happens all the, time SO
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: i can SEE i can understand that mindset of, well
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: if it's just the right person happened to be in the,
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: Room i'm at the right place WHEN i get that phone,
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: Call i'm gonna keep, going you. Know but it's something
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: it's something THAT i THAT i, understand BUT i don't
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: because WHEN i was in my doing my boxing, training
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: AND i was lean and fit as, hell and you,
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: KNOW i was really loving, it AND i was in the.
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: Peak if you tell, me, hey do you want to
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: get in a ring and like a small showcase with another,
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: guy you, know in, PUBLIC i would have said, yes
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: like one hundred, percent nothing, professional nothing. Major BUT i
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: would have, said, yeah you, know for four, ROUNDS i do.
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: IT i train as hard AS i could and go for.
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: It BUT i never needed to pay the bills with
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: boxing like with, fighting you know WHAT i. Mean it
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: was something THAT i thought would be a lot of fun.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: And would have loved to.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: Do but you just the conversation just can't be the
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: same thing as somebody that's gonna go hungry if they
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: don't get in that.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Ring you.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: Know, no, Man, also like here's a thing there's always
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: hope with. Boxing boxing is the one sport where your
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: career can change that. Night it's the only sport that
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: we know that one punch can change an entire. Career
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: and as long as you have that opportunity in your mind's,
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: mind you.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Feel that you're a punch away from making your.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: Career so as a, boxer if you grew, up you,
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: trained you, fought you may not have made it to
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: where you wanted to go or thought you could have.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: Gone but you're one somebody pulling out of a, fight
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: last minute away from taking a, fight and all you
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: need is one.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Punch it will change. It it will change a whole. Career.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Man LIKE i, Said i'll never forget.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: It LIKE i don't know what happened With Danny garcia
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: if he didn't beat A, MIRAKAN i don't know what would.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: HAPPENED i don't know if his crew would play out
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: the same because.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: He was looked at as a.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: Afterthought remember a Mirror collins bought to Fight Floyd, mayweather
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: And Danny garcia was just on the roadbump to, that
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: and he became the road bump that popped all tires
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: and he had a hell of a, career you, know
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: Borderline hall Of fame. Career those are things that happen
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: Like that's why boxing is such a unique. Sport that's
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: probably why we love, it because your fortune's literally changed
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: with one or two punches in one.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Night.
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: YEAH I another THING i loved about this movie too
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: Is Stacy keach's, promoter a guy Named. Rubin you, know
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: Once Stacy keach gets back into, fighting he has a
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: very successful fight against a very well regarded Strong mexican,
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: boxer very, specifically and also there's talk, of you know
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: how there's elements there of, like, well you got this
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: white guy being in This mexican guy who's highly, favored
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: and how that seems to be a big point in his.
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: Favor but at the, end the, Promoter, rubin Pays Stacy
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: keach only one hundred bucks after a. Win, stacey he
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: just pissed, off Saying i'm owed more than. This but
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: then his promoter, Says i've been advancing you money to
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: pay for you, know hotels he been staying and you,
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: know taking his, cutback WHICH i DON'T i understand as,
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: WELL i understand both. Sides bobby hits, himself said the
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: promoter is always the bad guy in these, situations but
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: in this case it REALLY i, mean you know you're
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: you're there for the, Fight Stacy, keag you know you want,
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: it but you also had to get there because of
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: the good grace of your of your, manager so and
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: shady promoters and promoters getting screwed, over, sorry fighters getting
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: screwed over or something that we're talking about to this.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Day like literally to.
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: Day SO i really like. That another elements of, race you.
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: Know Susan tyrrell Plays Oma Lee, greer a complete disaster
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: of a, woman a hard, drinking loudvouse who will fly
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: off the handle.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Anytime kind of a type of woman if we're being.
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: Honest but she has a she has a black, partner
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: black boyfriend she cares. About he gets sent to jail
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: for a. While she goes on a rant at the,
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: bar of course about how the white race has, declined
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: but it doesn't to, me and you, know your mind
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: has may, vary but doesn't come off as like a racist,
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: rant but more is like the reality of how the
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: white centric world is. Changing not that the sixties and
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: seventies were a great time for black people in this
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: country by any, means but this movie is from the,
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: seventies based on a novel from nineteen sixty, nine and
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: that's only a few years after The Civil Rights, Act
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: so the conversation about you not white people's role in
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: society was very, different AND i think it bleeds into the.
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: Story and, again race issues in boxing are things we're
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: talking about this. Podcast that's the conceit of Why we're
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: The Mixed Company. Podcast two different voices from two different
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: races and you, know bring up these issues in professional.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: FIGHTING i really loved.
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: It the film kind of really still resonates to this
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: day with these elements that are still still there and
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: it's just it's just.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: A really really well acted.
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: Movie Against Susan, Tyrrell my, god there's a lot of
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: Yelling in this.
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: Movie a lot of flying off the handle in this.
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: Movie very dramatic and a little anxiety and seeing when
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: you just see two people about to get into a
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: fight and every little thing sets them, Off it's, like
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: what AM i watching my.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: Parents in this? Movie? Right but, YEAH i, mean any
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: final thoughts on this before you rate? It, NAH i
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: think it. WAS i think it was a good. Movie good.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: CHOICE i have at three out of. Four personally, MYSELF
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: i think it was a really solid. Movie LIKE i,
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: said it was an older, movie so it was a slower.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: Burn and AS i watched last night AND i watched
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: it today at, work and it was more of a slower,
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: burn but it was good.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: Though it was done like the movie was shot very. Well,
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: Yes and that's the thing.
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: Too you got to be in the mood for a slow,
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: burn you, know you can't just put one on any,
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: time at least for, Me i'll say. That you, know
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: Sometimes i'm in the mood for some stupid nineties action
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: vandamn thing with explosions and car, crashes AND i don't
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: want to Watch Fat city that, day, Right but when
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: you're in the mood for something like that and you
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: really want to want to get engaged in the, STORY
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: i think this was. Great i'm going How i'm, going,
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: like out of four, Gloves i'm getting like a three
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: three point seventy. Five, OH i really like. THIS i
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: it really. Resonated and again it's so different from you,
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: know boxing movies watch where especially with biopicks about the major,
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: fighters they end on a triumphant, note you. Know cinderelevan
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: cinderellvand you know his whole. Thing he was poor as,
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: shit he had retired to. Boxing but the big finale
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: is he comes back to glory with by by returning to.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: Boxing and it's not always like. That it's really not
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: always like, That so it's nice to see the other
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: side of that.
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: Car so definitely check it. Out strong recommend for, me
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: AND i think that's gonna do it for. Today, Jamison
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: where can people find? You on social media And?
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: Twitter at The jamison you know on? There?
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: Mostly, Yeah i'm on there. HOPEFULLY i, mean we got
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: some more fights coming, up so it'll be. Fun but, yeah,
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: man always they're always looking to have a reasonable conversation with,
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: people so it's always good.
• 58:42
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