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DAMNING TEXTS: Suzanne Morphew Speaks from Beyond The Grave · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Well, the plot is thickening.
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Speaker 1: True words were never spoken, of course. I'm talking about
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Speaker 1: Barry Morphew and his missing wife, Suzanne Morphew. We've seen
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Speaker 1: a lot of video of him going in and out
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Speaker 1: of the courtroom, and he's always flanked by his two
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Speaker 1: adult daughters. In the last hours, a treasure trove of
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Speaker 1: evidence has been released by the state. What is it
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Speaker 1: hundreds of documents, They are photos And what I found
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Speaker 1: really interesting are the photos that have been amassed from
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Speaker 1: that holiday in Express where he stayed the very same
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Speaker 1: day that his wife goes missing on Mother's Day. It
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Speaker 1: shows him changing clothes for no reason. He had a
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Speaker 1: lot of wardrobe changes that day. It shows him in
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Speaker 1: and out of his favorite cowboy boots. Why why did
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Speaker 1: he have to change clothes so often? Now, according to him,
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Speaker 1: he was going to a work site on Mother's Day
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Speaker 1: out of town. But yet, if the video is to
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Speaker 1: be believed, he hold up in his room at the
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Speaker 1: Holiday and Express for at least five hours, going in
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Speaker 1: and out changing clothes. Very very unusual, but odd circumstances
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Speaker 1: do not a murder case make? What else do we learn?
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Speaker 1: I mean it see Grace. This is Crime Stories, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation. In
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Speaker 1: series one eleven, very revealing are dozens and dozens and
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Speaker 1: dozens of text messages his missing wife is in Morphew
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Speaker 1: sent to various people, specifically her friends, describing her relationship.
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Speaker 1: How she says she is quote done, that she has
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Speaker 1: gone round and round with Morphew about getting out, how
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Speaker 1: he manipulates everything, getting the daughters on his side, how
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Speaker 1: he threatens to jump out of the car and kill
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Speaker 1: himself whenever they're talking about breaking up. She even reveals
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Speaker 1: and I quote he doesn't mention how he has hurt
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Speaker 1: me physically. We now know that there is domestic abuse
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Speaker 1: in the home. We see photos of inside the home
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Speaker 1: taken by investigators, including the bedroom door to the master
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Speaker 1: bedroom cracked, the signing of it cracked. Did he kick
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Speaker 1: the door in trying to get her? We see how
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Speaker 1: his cell phone his data was pinging him all around
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Speaker 1: the house, leading to the investigator's belief that he chased
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Speaker 1: her through the home, ultimately shooting her with a dark
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Speaker 1: gun to sedate her. I found very very striking that
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Speaker 1: on the day she goes out on her bike all
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Speaker 1: alone on Mother's Day, her two daughters are away, her
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Speaker 1: husband trumps up and out of town work trip that
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Speaker 1: didn't exist. She's all alone. I looked at many photos
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Speaker 1: of her on previous bike trips. She's a big biker.
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Speaker 1: She always has on her helmet and a pair of
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Speaker 1: sunglasses and her camelback, you know, with water and whatever
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Speaker 1: she would put in there. But on that day, that
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Speaker 1: day of all days, when she goes missing in her
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Speaker 1: car in plain view, her pocketbook with all of her
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Speaker 1: ID credit cards and money, her sunglasses that she goes
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Speaker 1: writing in, and her camelback, why is that? I mean,
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Speaker 1: I'm just telling you thoughts as they're coming to me.
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Speaker 1: You know, if I were to take this to trial,
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Speaker 1: this would all be or written out page after page
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Speaker 1: after page of state's exhibit. When I'm going to enter
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Speaker 1: it in with which witness, how I'm going to lay
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Speaker 1: the foundation for it. But guess what, we're not in court,
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Speaker 1: so we can talk about it freely with no objections,
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Speaker 1: and what an all star panel. I've got to break
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Speaker 1: it down and put it back together, making sense of
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Speaker 1: this treasure trove of evidence we have just received. But
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Speaker 1: before we get started with this panel, I want you
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Speaker 1: to take a Listen to Bury Morphew as he begs
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Speaker 1: for help finding his wife. Oh, Susan, if anyone is
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Speaker 1: out there, I could hear this that has you. Please.
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Speaker 1: We'll do whatever it takes to bring you back. We
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Speaker 1: love you, we miss you, your girls and needs muss,
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Speaker 1: no questions asked, however much they want, I will do
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Speaker 1: whatever it takes to get you back. I love you,
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Speaker 1: however much it takes, whatever they want. Isn't that odd?
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Speaker 1: And no one has ever sent a ransom note ever?
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Speaker 1: With me and all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 1: what we know. First of all, high profile lawyer, former prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: author of the Executioner's Toll, Matthew Mangino joining us out
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Speaker 1: of Lawrence County. Doctor Sherry Schwartz, renowned psychologists specializing in
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Speaker 1: criminal behavior. As a matter of fact, that's one of
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Speaker 1: her books, Criminal Behavior, Also for law and Psychology intersected. Boy,
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Speaker 1: do we need a shrink today? Doctor Sherry, founder and
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Speaker 1: director of the Coldcase Research Institute. I met Cheryl McCollum
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Speaker 1: and the trenches finding crime with me, she claims about
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Speaker 1: three am. I don't know about that, but you can
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Speaker 1: find her at Coldcase Crimes Dot org. But first two
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Speaker 1: special guests joining us. Carol McKinney, Enterprise reporter with the
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Speaker 1: Denver Gazette at Denver Gazette dot com. Carol McKinley. Today
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Speaker 1: there is a hearing regarding change of venue of this case.
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Speaker 1: But I want to get to the facts. I'm telling
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Speaker 1: you these photos and these texts are bob shells. What
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Speaker 1: texts from Susanne Morphew jump out at you the most?
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Speaker 1: Well there are Remember, Susanne Morphew's phone was never found.
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Speaker 1: That's one of the things. We don't know what happened
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Speaker 1: to it. But they were able to get texts from
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Speaker 1: other people's phones. And that's what we see is the
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Speaker 1: texts that they found on the phones of her best friend,
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Speaker 1: Sheila Oliver, who she texted between March and April about
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Speaker 1: twenty times, some really really important messages before she went missing.
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Speaker 1: And then the text that were on Berry's phone. And
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Speaker 1: then there's an important text that was downloaded from her
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Speaker 1: eye cloud. Right. So the pivotal text, according to the prosecution,
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Speaker 1: is one she wrote on Mate six, at ten o'clock
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Speaker 1: in the morning, she was at a neighbor's house. And
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Speaker 1: this is the neighbor that eventually reported her missing. So
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Speaker 1: she's at the house having coffee and cookies, you know,
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Speaker 1: and she texts him that it's over. She says, we
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Speaker 1: have to resolve this civilly. He doesn't answer her to
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Speaker 1: the prosecution. That's the most important text because that when
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Speaker 1: he decides to kill her. According to the District Attorney's office, right,
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Speaker 1: this is the one that sets them on because she
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Speaker 1: swipes it. They're able to retrieve it from his phone,
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Speaker 1: but he swiped it. It's not visible on the phone
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Speaker 1: when they got his phone. Well, he texts back to
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Speaker 1: her at about three in the afternoon that he's sorry,
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Speaker 1: it's kind of a suicide sounding tom oh cool. Wait
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Speaker 1: wait him and the suicide, well, it sounds like it,
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Speaker 1: you know. To doctor Sherry Schwartz joining me forensic psychologist
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Speaker 1: at panther Mitigation dot com. Doctor Sherry, you know, I
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Speaker 1: got so much to talk to you about, but can
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Speaker 1: we talk about the fact and I went through so
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Speaker 1: much of this evidence and I'm going to circle back
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Speaker 1: to you, Mangino, because that's how a lot of lawyers
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Speaker 1: lose their case, because they don't take the time to
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Speaker 1: sit down, as painful as it is, and go through
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Speaker 1: page after page after document after document, because you never
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Speaker 1: know what you're going to find. I'm going to circle
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Speaker 1: back to you on that. But to you, doctor Sherry Schwartz,
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Speaker 1: I was reading one text where she writes about how
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Speaker 1: she's bringing up the fact that she wants to split up,
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Speaker 1: and he, as they're driving, opens up his I guess
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Speaker 1: his truck door and acts like he's gonna jump out
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Speaker 1: of it. Did he jump? No? Did he ever try
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Speaker 1: to commit suicide? No? According to prosecutors, the only person
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Speaker 1: he killed is her. No. What is That's master manipulation
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Speaker 1: And speaking of the word manipulation all through her text,
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Speaker 1: she talks about how he is manipulating their adult daughters,
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Speaker 1: and we see him doing it right now. They have
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Speaker 1: fall over his story hook line and sinker. But let
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Speaker 1: me first ask you, doctor Sherry Schwartz, about people that
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Speaker 1: threaten suicide when they're no more going to commit suicide
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Speaker 1: than the man in the moon, as an attempt to
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Speaker 1: manipulate their partner into doing what they want them to do.
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Speaker 1: That's exactly what that is, Nancy. It's master manipulation, and
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Speaker 1: it plays on the person who you're threatening that you're
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Speaker 1: going to commit suicide. It plays on their empathy, their emotions.
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Speaker 1: There's a way to gain control over the other person
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Speaker 1: and have them yield your wants, your wishes, your demands.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace Matthew Mangino joining US former
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Speaker 1: district attorney in Lawrence County. Matthew, you can lose a
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Speaker 1: case if you do not study your documents. There's no
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Speaker 1: question about that, Nancy. And there's a lot of information here,
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Speaker 1: but it's all circumstantial. Please not with a circumstantial you know, Matthew,
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Speaker 1: where is it that you practice law in Western Pennsylvania? Okay?
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Speaker 1: Isn't it true in Western Pennsylvania? I assume that you
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Speaker 1: guys obey the US Supreme Court and in one of
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Speaker 1: their famous cases, which has been side it over and
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Speaker 1: over and over. In fact, isn't it true, Matthew Mangino
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Speaker 1: that before a jury goes out to deliberate their case,
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Speaker 1: after closing arguments, the judge then charges them on the
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Speaker 1: law by which they are to use, by which they
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Speaker 1: are to judge the case. And in those jury charges
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Speaker 1: which are read verbatim so as not to make any mistakes,
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Speaker 1: the judge says that circumstantial evidence is and can be
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Speaker 1: as powerful as direct evidence. Isn't that true, no question
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Speaker 1: about it? Man? So then yes, so when you say,
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Speaker 1: is just circumstantial evidence, right? But what we have to
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Speaker 1: think about here is what the evidence that we don't have.
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Speaker 1: We don't have a weapon, we don't have a body,
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Speaker 1: we don't have a cause of debt. What we have
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Speaker 1: is a lot of strange conduct, bizarre conduct, maybe by
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Speaker 1: Barry More Aphew. We have some you know, scratch is
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Speaker 1: on his hands, that certainly or something that the defense
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Speaker 1: has to be concerned about. But we also have some
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Speaker 1: DNA evidence that indicates that a known sex offense or
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Speaker 1: someone who has three sex offend, that DNA was found
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Speaker 1: in that person's v vehicle. Where this is important. Where's
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Speaker 1: the DNA? I believe it's on the what is the vehicle?
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Speaker 1: It's on the glove flies Okay, the gloves, the glove
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Speaker 1: box in the hood, which is highly indicative of someone
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Speaker 1: who worked on the car getting documents or whatever may
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Speaker 1: be in the glove compartment and opening and shutting the hood.
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Speaker 1: Very significant. However, Cheryl McCollum, I disagree with Mangino. I
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Speaker 1: just would have disagreed before I read this treasure travel
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Speaker 1: of evidence. But I really disagree. Now, knowing what we
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Speaker 1: now know, I want you to hear Cheryl McCollum our
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Speaker 1: cut one three five from KUSA right now. Barrymorephew, the
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Speaker 1: man charged in the death of his wife Susanne, is
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Speaker 1: still out on bond, awaiting the start of his murder
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Speaker 1: trial in May. Meanwhile, the public is now able to
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Speaker 1: see the evidence used in the preliminary hearing, pictures of
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Speaker 1: Barrymorephew at a Broomfield hotel with bags the spy pen.
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Speaker 1: Investigators say Susanne put in Barry's truck because she suspected
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Speaker 1: an affair, a suspicion that remains unfounded, and the tranquilizer
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Speaker 1: in darts prosecutors allege Barry shot Suzanne with before chasing
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Speaker 1: her around the house. You have fast does not show
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Speaker 1: up nearly as significantly. Nine News legal expert Scott Robinson
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Speaker 1: says actually seeing the evidence leaves an impact on potential
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Speaker 1: jurors if they've seen the photos, if they've read the texts. Texts,
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Speaker 1: including those from Susanne to a friend makes me wonder
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Speaker 1: what the young mee was thinking one text reads and
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Speaker 1: also Cheryl McCollum our one our cut one three six
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Speaker 1: from KUSA. I want you to hear about the zigzag
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Speaker 1: pattern that has been established by Barry Morphu's cell phone,
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Speaker 1: as if he's racing chasing someone around the house. It's
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Speaker 1: even timed. Listen the photographs of Barry Morphu's travels both
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Speaker 1: around the house in a kind of a zigzag manner
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Speaker 1: and his visits trash receptacles day after is pretty suspicious
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Speaker 1: all at all. It really brings home the fact that
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Speaker 1: this is a murder case concerning a woman who has
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Speaker 1: disappeared under very suspicious circumstances. And Robinson says that's just it,
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Speaker 1: suspicious circumstances at this point, making the evidence he believes
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Speaker 1: still balanced. After all, the prosecution has no murder weapon,
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Speaker 1: they have no motor method of murder, they have no body.
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Speaker 1: And as for jury selection, he says he has no
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Speaker 1: doubt the judge will see a jury, but it may
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Speaker 1: be tough. My profile cases always posed difficulty for a
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Speaker 1: judge and finding jurors. But I have to admit, over
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Speaker 1: the decades, I've been astonished how there are many people
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Speaker 1: out there that pay absolutely no attention to the news. Well,
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Speaker 1: thank god for those people. And another thing, why did
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Speaker 1: you believe what people on the news say. They're all
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Speaker 1: just regurgitating something else they've been told. Does anybody really
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Speaker 1: trust the news? Back to you, Cheryl McCullum, I want
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Speaker 1: you to take into account everything we're learning in this
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Speaker 1: new treasure show of evidence where you actually see the
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Speaker 1: door to the master bedroom cracked on one side the
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Speaker 1: previous owner stay, it wasn't like that when they sold
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Speaker 1: the house. And not only that, the cell phone the
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Speaker 1: electronic data includes him running through the bedroom and there's
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Speaker 1: ann shell tasting on her side of the bed. Why
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Speaker 1: is that there? Why is the door kicked in apparently,
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Speaker 1: and then backed up by the data showing him running
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Speaker 1: through the house after her. But what is striking you that,
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Speaker 1: my Cheryl McCollums. There are so many things that jump
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Speaker 1: out at me, Nancy, but I think for me, there's
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Speaker 1: two things that go kind of together. It's the data
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Speaker 1: that they've pulled from his truck along with the videotapes
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Speaker 1: that show him dumping trash at five different locations. So
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Speaker 1: if he had a bunch of trash in his truck,
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Speaker 1: then he didn't want to take to the dump and
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Speaker 1: have to pay the dispose of it. He would have
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Speaker 1: gone to one dumpster and thrown it all in there.
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Speaker 1: He wouldn't have gone out of his way and gone
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Speaker 1: to the hotel, a McDonald's, a men's warehouse, then to
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Speaker 1: another dumpster at the hotel. That makes no sense to
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Speaker 1: put that much for you. If you look at all
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Speaker 1: those photos, struck is still filthy and full of trash,
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Speaker 1: so e's not clear it struck out and you know
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Speaker 1: it brings to mind, Cheryl McCollum, it brings to mine,
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Speaker 1: and get a load of this Mangino. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if you remember Fotus Dulos, the husband of the missing
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Speaker 1: Connecticut mom of five, Jennifer Dulos. He and his girlfriend
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Speaker 1: go all over town and they're caught on camera throwing
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Speaker 1: out handful after handful after handful of evidence, sticking it
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Speaker 1: down the drains, the sewers, drains, the runoff water drains,
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Speaker 1: on the hot on the streets, and the cops go
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Speaker 1: back and what do they find. Bloody clothes, rags, sponges,
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Speaker 1: the blood matching up to the missing mom, Jennifer Dulos.
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Speaker 1: And here we the same thing as Cheryl McCollum's pointing out,
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Speaker 1: Barry more for you, going from dump to dump to
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Speaker 1: receptacle to receptacle that night, throwing out trash go ahead,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum. Well, the other thing is the data from
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Speaker 1: the truck. He was not counting on that he had
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Speaker 1: enough wherewithal to put his cell phone on airplane mode.
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Speaker 1: He wasn't thinking about that computer. When was the last
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Speaker 1: time you put your cell phone on airplane mode? When
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Speaker 1: I was actually on an airplane because they made me, okay,
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Speaker 1: you know the last time I put my phone on
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Speaker 1: airplane mode? When you and I Cheryl McCollum, and you
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Speaker 1: Medea here in the studio with me, or in Aruba,
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Speaker 1: was Atlie Halloway's mother, retracing our steps to figure out what,
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Speaker 1: if anything we could learn. That was the last time
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Speaker 1: I had my phone on airplane mode? That's the one
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Speaker 1: were coming back from Aruba. Absolutely, but you know he
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Speaker 1: on airplane mode? What about that, Mangino, When do you
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Speaker 1: put don't lie, Mangino, when do you put your phone
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Speaker 1: on airplane mode? Tell me, as God as your witness,
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Speaker 1: Matthew Mangino, the last time you had your phone on
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Speaker 1: airplane mode on an airplane? Talent Mangino, And you know
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Speaker 1: everybody on that jury is gonna say the same thing, like,
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Speaker 1: for instance, at night, I don't want the phone to
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Speaker 1: wake up my husband or my children, but don't want
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Speaker 1: to keep it on so I can see if some
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Speaker 1: crazy thing happens, if somebody texts me, I put it
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Speaker 1: on silent. I'm put it on airplane mode. You know it, Mangino.
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Speaker 1: If I was a the face attorney in this case,
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Speaker 1: I would be looking at a play deal history. No,
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Speaker 1: his history with the sun. Maybe he puts his phone
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Speaker 1: on airplane mode all the time. We want to know that.
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Speaker 1: Oh you know what, I'm so glad you said that, Mangino.
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Speaker 1: I have the prosecution is listening pass out on care
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Speaker 1: on mccanley. They need to say how often he has
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Speaker 1: put his phone on airplane were you what were you
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Speaker 1: about to say? Carol? Do you know how good these
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Speaker 1: defense attorneys are who he's hired. These defense attorneys are
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Speaker 1: two of the top women in the state. It's not
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Speaker 1: the region. Did you hear what I just said, Carol?
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Speaker 1: To pass on to the prosecution to find out how
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Speaker 1: often and the pattern of if there is one of
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Speaker 1: Morphew putting his phone on airplane mode, because I bet
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Speaker 1: you he did not do it. If at all before
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Speaker 1: that day, that Mother's day Time stories with Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCall him, how many times have I been told,
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Speaker 1: right in my face? Oh, these defense attorneys are good.
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Speaker 1: Oh they're really good. Oh yeah, you're just gonna toss
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Speaker 1: the case and not try it. What about it, Sheryl? Try? Well,
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Speaker 1: not just that, Nacy know well them thinks. I don't
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Speaker 1: care how good they are. They can't undo. There's certain
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Speaker 1: veils you can't unwring, and one of them is when
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Speaker 1: he lies. He tells law enforcement that he went to
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Speaker 1: bed at eight o'clock, but yet the data from his
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Speaker 1: truck shows that he put that car in reverse at
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Speaker 1: nine thirty and moved at ninety six feet closer to
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Speaker 1: the house. Well, that's not a leap to think that's
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Speaker 1: what he unstably loading up her body. I'm sorry, who's
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Speaker 1: that talking in the background, Carol? Okay, go ahead, Carol. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: But but you don't know. But that's important though, Cheryl.
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Speaker 1: But you know that you don't know who put that
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Speaker 1: truck in reverse, because because all you have is that
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Speaker 1: that barrel of data, you don't know who did it.
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Speaker 1: And that's what the defense is going to argue you
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Speaker 1: stop playing corrects up that morning, Matthew Mangino, you're the
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Speaker 1: bad one trial wayer. I only wish I can only
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Speaker 1: pray I was sitting my seat and pray. The defense
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Speaker 1: trying to jump up and say what Carol McKinley just
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Speaker 1: said that some other person came to where the car
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Speaker 1: was parked, destrut was parked and moved it in the
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Speaker 1: middle of the night for no reason. No theft wasn't stolen,
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Speaker 1: no break in. That would be so wonderful. As the
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Speaker 1: defense tried to throw up that argument, McKenley just gave well,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think there are arguments that the defense
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Speaker 1: can make. I mean, you've got to be very glad
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Speaker 1: on you one of them. Brother. You got to be
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Speaker 1: conscious about you know, what you're going to use and
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Speaker 1: necessarily what you're like going to use. But the other
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Speaker 1: thing I say at this point, Nancy is not so
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Speaker 1: fast when when we moved to condemned Barry Morphy or
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Speaker 1: to convict him, I mean, we know that the judge
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Speaker 1: after a four gates wominary hearing, wasn't real impressed with
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Speaker 1: the prosecution's case. And you know, as across the U
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Speaker 1: in all of your experience. You know that they had
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Speaker 1: an affidavit about one hundred and thirty pages in this case.
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Speaker 1: What that tells me is that they're really trying to
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Speaker 1: put something together that might not be there. Um. You know,
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Speaker 1: if I have a homicide case as a prosecutor, my
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Speaker 1: HALFI David, is going to be as brief as it
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Speaker 1: can possibly be. It's I've never seen one hundred and
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Speaker 1: thirty page affidavit. So well, there's some really interesting evidence here,
23:26
Speaker 1: you know, some really bizarre conduct, strange conduct. You know,
23:31
Speaker 1: there's some key pieces missing here. This is my combody.
23:36
Speaker 1: So you want me to give him a gold star
23:37
Speaker 1: because he managed to get rid of the body? I mean,
23:39
Speaker 1: you know, Karen McKinley, Enterprise reporter joining us from the
23:43
Speaker 1: Denver Gazette, could you tell me about the various dumpsters
23:47
Speaker 1: and trash receptacles. Barry Morphy went to the very same evening,
23:53
Speaker 1: Susanne Morphy guys missing, Yeah, I can. He went to
23:56
Speaker 1: It's odd that he decided to go to Broomfield, Colorado.
23:59
Speaker 1: That ball about three hours to the north near Denver.
24:02
Speaker 1: Right there was you had to have a permit to
24:06
Speaker 1: work on a Sunday in Broomfield. Apparently there was a
24:09
Speaker 1: landscaping wall he had he had had a problem with.
24:13
Speaker 1: He told the people he'd fixed it, but the job
24:17
Speaker 1: wasn't until that Monday for some reason. He left early
24:21
Speaker 1: in morning on Sunday, got up there about eight and
24:25
Speaker 1: started dumping trash in different receptacles. There were five trash dumps,
24:31
Speaker 1: that's what the FBI agent on the stand called it,
24:33
Speaker 1: the five dumps. One of them in particular, was next
24:38
Speaker 1: to him McDonald and what he did, and we saw it.
24:41
Speaker 1: He got out of his car, there are still photos
24:44
Speaker 1: of this from surveillance and pushed something way down into
24:48
Speaker 1: the trash can, Like he didn't just throw it on
24:50
Speaker 1: the top, He actually pushed it down. The prosecution thinks
24:54
Speaker 1: that was the cell phone because it was small. But
24:58
Speaker 1: then there were some other dumps. In one he had
25:01
Speaker 1: some hiking boots. I think he had a planter that
25:05
Speaker 1: had a tree in it, like a landscaping tree, like
25:09
Speaker 1: a fir tree or something, so it was large. And
25:13
Speaker 1: then there were three other stuffs, but they weren't sure
25:15
Speaker 1: they were dumps because they weren't kind of right next
25:18
Speaker 1: to a dumpster. But the other good surveillance video is
25:25
Speaker 1: in the hotel which was a holiday in Express where
25:28
Speaker 1: he went got in there in the eight o'clock hour
25:31
Speaker 1: Sunday morning, and his scene walking up and down the
25:33
Speaker 1: halls with different things in his hands. The first run
25:38
Speaker 1: on that hotel surveillance video shows some clothing in his arms,
25:42
Speaker 1: something that's kind of a blue color. I was at
25:45
Speaker 1: the preliminary hearing, and during that hearing, the FBA agent
25:49
Speaker 1: was questioned about a blue shirt. Well, she was wearing
25:53
Speaker 1: a turquoise top to ride her bike a lot. She
25:58
Speaker 1: wore that she wore this turfuoise top that matched her helmet.
26:02
Speaker 1: The defense attorney stood up and said, you don't know
26:04
Speaker 1: that's the shirt, and so they had to say items
26:07
Speaker 1: of clothing. Those pictures are going to be important because
26:12
Speaker 1: you wonder what was he bringing into that hotel room
26:15
Speaker 1: and what did he take out, and why did he
26:17
Speaker 1: leave so many times? Or why did he change clothes
26:20
Speaker 1: as he was making those runs to the trash dumps
26:23
Speaker 1: Another unusual circumstance. Carol McKinley is bringing up his many
26:28
Speaker 1: many wardrobe changes. Hey, Nancy, can I jump in? Do
26:33
Speaker 1: you remember when Scott Peterson put himself at the marina
26:36
Speaker 1: because he said he went fishing. More few tells police
26:40
Speaker 1: he took a left out of his driveway instead of
26:42
Speaker 1: a right, which he would normally take to go to
26:44
Speaker 1: this site to get to the highway. He went left
26:47
Speaker 1: a mile down that road. To the left is where
26:50
Speaker 1: her bike helmet was found. So again he puts himself
26:54
Speaker 1: where a key piece of evidence is found. The bike
26:57
Speaker 1: helmet is nowhere near the bike. The bike looks obviously
27:01
Speaker 1: stays down that little ravine like it's just tossed over
27:04
Speaker 1: and slid down and started resting on rocks. She ain't
27:08
Speaker 1: found in the bottom. But again he's putting himself, in
27:12
Speaker 1: my opinion, somewhere very key. That looks very damaging. Gosh,
27:17
Speaker 1: I hardly even know which way to turn. There's just
27:20
Speaker 1: so much and as Matthew me and Jane rightly points out,
27:24
Speaker 1: so much circumstantial evidence. Let me ask you this, Carol
27:29
Speaker 1: McKinley joining us from the Denver Gazette. Did he have
27:33
Speaker 1: a permit to work in Broomfield on Sunday? We don't
27:38
Speaker 1: know that, I bet has not been brought up, but
27:41
Speaker 1: that's a great question. He did not work really on Sunday.
27:45
Speaker 1: The job wasn't supposed to start till Monday, and his
27:47
Speaker 1: workers didn't show up till that afternoon. You mean they
27:51
Speaker 1: showed up on Sunday or Monday. On Sunday after he
27:54
Speaker 1: asked them to come because he got the call from
27:57
Speaker 1: the neighbors that she was missing. Wait a minute, wait, wait,
28:01
Speaker 1: who got what call from the neighbors. Well, the daughters
28:07
Speaker 1: were on a camping trip that weekend, so four Mothers Day,
28:10
Speaker 1: they weren't home. They were on a camping trip, both
28:12
Speaker 1: of them. Who got the call from the neighbors, that's
28:15
Speaker 1: the question. The Ritters, Jean and Martin Ritter, are the
28:19
Speaker 1: nearest neighbors to the Morphy's right. They live in a
28:22
Speaker 1: really really remote area of Colorado near Salida, Colorado, which
28:26
Speaker 1: is about two and a half hours. Okay, again, very
28:29
Speaker 1: very simple. You said he got the call from the
28:33
Speaker 1: neighbors that she was missing. Who are you talking and
28:38
Speaker 1: called him? The Ritters called Barry Morphee. Correct, at about
28:43
Speaker 1: five o'clock on Sunday. He was supposedly at the landscaping wall.
28:48
Speaker 1: They called him and he told them to call nine
28:51
Speaker 1: one one, So they called nine one one. It was
28:55
Speaker 1: the daughters who asked the Ritters to check up on
28:57
Speaker 1: the house because Susanne Morphy wasn't answering their happy Mother's
29:01
Speaker 1: Day phone calls. I want to circle back to what
29:04
Speaker 1: we are learning. You mentioned in one of his trips
29:08
Speaker 1: to dump sites, you mentioned hiking boots. What can you
29:13
Speaker 1: tell me about the hiking boots, Carol McKinley, Just that
29:16
Speaker 1: he brought him into the hotel room. You can see
29:18
Speaker 1: it on the hotel surveillance, and then you see him
29:23
Speaker 1: walking out to a dumpster with hiking boots in his hand.
29:27
Speaker 1: Why would he throw away his boots? Start to Sherry Schwartz.
29:32
Speaker 1: You know how long I've had my cowboy boots, my
29:34
Speaker 1: favorite pair. I guess, let's see, maybe twenty five years,
29:40
Speaker 1: and I had to be talked out of wearing them
29:43
Speaker 1: down the aisle. So why is he throwing away his boots,
29:47
Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry? Of all things, well, that's not a good look,
29:50
Speaker 1: especially if those boots weren't falling apart at the seams. Right. So,
29:56
Speaker 1: if you're throwing away hiking boots in the wake of
30:01
Speaker 1: your wife going missing, then that suggests that you have
30:06
Speaker 1: some reason to need to get rid of those boots. Right.
30:09
Speaker 1: There could be blood on them. I'm speculating there's no evidence.
30:13
Speaker 1: There were blood on the there was blood on the boots.
30:15
Speaker 1: Because they're gone crime stories with Nancy Grace, I want
30:34
Speaker 1: you guys to listen to more of what we're learning,
30:36
Speaker 1: and then I want to circle back to you Cheryl
30:38
Speaker 1: McCallum on where the helmet, her helmet was found as
30:43
Speaker 1: opposed to where the bike is, as opposed to where
30:46
Speaker 1: their home is, and the coincidence Barry Morphew's car data
30:54
Speaker 1: and pains showing him where the bike where the helmet
30:59
Speaker 1: was discard arted about a mile away. But first take
31:03
Speaker 1: a listen to our cut one three seven our friends
31:06
Speaker 1: at KUSA. For the first time, we're able to see
31:10
Speaker 1: some of the evidence that led to the arrest of
31:12
Speaker 1: Barry Morphew. This is the man accused of killing his
31:14
Speaker 1: wife in Chaffee County. Susanne Morphew has been missing since
31:17
Speaker 1: Mother's Day of twenty twenty. A. George A judge excuse me,
31:21
Speaker 1: has ordered the release of some of the evidence. This
31:23
Speaker 1: includes photos of Barry's hands which appear to have scratch marks.
31:27
Speaker 1: Prosecutors say this may be from Susanne trying to defend herself.
31:30
Speaker 1: The defense said scratches came from tree branches while he
31:33
Speaker 1: was looking for his wife. Prosecutors also believed Morphew may
31:36
Speaker 1: have used a tranquilizer dart, and they found a needle
31:38
Speaker 1: sheaf in the dryer at the Morphu's home. Investigators say
31:42
Speaker 1: it fits a needle used to inject sirium into a dart.
31:46
Speaker 1: Barry told investigators he's not sure how it got there.
31:49
Speaker 1: There are also text messages between Susanne and Barry, as
31:52
Speaker 1: well as Susanne and a different man she was having
31:54
Speaker 1: an affair with, and also a portion of our cut
31:57
Speaker 1: one three eight KUSA. New documents from the Very Morphew
32:01
Speaker 1: case reveal at least ten friends and family members of
32:05
Speaker 1: his missing wife filed protective orders against him. So why
32:09
Speaker 1: is it ten friends and family members off Susanne Morpheus
32:13
Speaker 1: have file protective orders against him? And isn't it true
32:17
Speaker 1: to use Cheryl McCullum that in her text messages to
32:21
Speaker 1: her friends Sheilla she stated that her own daughter said that, Mom,
32:30
Speaker 1: you need to file a protection order against dad. You
32:33
Speaker 1: know she had some concerned obviously, she even mentioned to
32:36
Speaker 1: her sister that he was emotionally and physically abusive, So
32:40
Speaker 1: we know there were you know, incidents. Is a violence
32:44
Speaker 1: in the home prior to her going missing, and then
32:47
Speaker 1: there's other things he does, and then see that you
32:50
Speaker 1: know again is the totality of it. It's not one
32:53
Speaker 1: thing that's going to make you think there's a homicide
32:56
Speaker 1: if you take everything together. When he tells the police,
32:59
Speaker 1: he said the alarm for four thirties till he could
33:01
Speaker 1: leave by five, But then his truck shows that he
33:04
Speaker 1: was leaving at three thirty. I mean, that's an not
33:06
Speaker 1: a mistake you would make if you've got up at
33:09
Speaker 1: three o'clock in the moat in a morning as opposed
33:11
Speaker 1: to four to thirty. That's all the difference in the world.
33:14
Speaker 1: And then he makes all those scots where he's getting
33:16
Speaker 1: rid of things. Then he's got the spy pen that
33:19
Speaker 1: captures her affair, not his. The chipmunk chasing what everybody
33:23
Speaker 1: in the world knows. You ain't gonna be able to
33:25
Speaker 1: chase no chipmunk. They're gonna be able to outrun you,
33:27
Speaker 1: out zigzag you. And if you're trying to shoot an animal,
33:30
Speaker 1: you stand still. So everything he says is this suspect.
33:34
Speaker 1: When he's the one that entertains the idea that she
33:37
Speaker 1: was attacked by a mountain line, even though there's zero evidence.
33:41
Speaker 1: There's no blood, there's no animal hair, and there's no
33:44
Speaker 1: body of Suzanne Moorephew, that's been ravaged by a mountline.
33:48
Speaker 1: Like none of it makes any sense too, you, Cheryl McKinley.
33:53
Speaker 1: Regarding the location of the helmet, the helmet, my understanding
33:59
Speaker 1: is about a mile away from where the bike was found.
34:04
Speaker 1: That's right. It was actually point eight Nancy. I had
34:08
Speaker 1: to look that up the other day. But very morphew
34:11
Speaker 1: when he made that left, Cheryl, and you're exactly right.
34:16
Speaker 1: He was going to go to Broomfield, Colorado, but to
34:19
Speaker 1: go to Broomfield yet to take a right, taking a left,
34:21
Speaker 1: take ship further into the mountains. And what he said
34:24
Speaker 1: was that he saw a bunch of elk crossing and
34:26
Speaker 1: he wanted to make a note of where that was
34:28
Speaker 1: because he's a hunter. That's that's why he said he
34:32
Speaker 1: went to that location and made a U turn because
34:34
Speaker 1: he realized, oh, I got to get back up to
34:36
Speaker 1: Broomfield and go to work. And how close were his
34:39
Speaker 1: meanderings to where her helmet was found? Well, it was
34:43
Speaker 1: her helmet was found as if it was thrown off
34:46
Speaker 1: the highway, right is that the highway he was driving
34:49
Speaker 1: the highways right there, Yeah, the highways right there in
34:52
Speaker 1: the slope of the mountain is on the side of
34:56
Speaker 1: the highway. And the helmet is pretty far off the highway,
34:59
Speaker 1: but could have thrown it, you know, it's not like
35:02
Speaker 1: way way up in a remote area. But he made
35:05
Speaker 1: a U turn, he said. And and it's right next
35:10
Speaker 1: to where the helmet was found, because there's a mine
35:12
Speaker 1: up there. There's an old There are mines all through
35:14
Speaker 1: those mountains, and there's a mine. And they talked about
35:18
Speaker 1: the mine, and he made a U turn at the
35:19
Speaker 1: mine and then went on his way to go to
35:21
Speaker 1: work that Frinday morning, Mother's Day. So Matthew and Gino,
35:25
Speaker 1: let's take a look at what Carol McKinley is telling
35:27
Speaker 1: us from the Denver Gazette by his own words and
35:31
Speaker 1: of course caught by cell phone and car data. He
35:37
Speaker 1: goes that morning of all mornings, and chases down some elk,
35:42
Speaker 1: according to him, three thirty in the morning, and then
35:48
Speaker 1: he does a ue right where the helmet would have
35:54
Speaker 1: been thrown, his missing wife's helmet. Well, he would have
35:59
Speaker 1: a lot of blaming to do, you know, these actions
36:03
Speaker 1: by him are unusual, they're they're bizarre, they're they're strange,
36:09
Speaker 1: they don't seem to add up. But here's the thing
36:12
Speaker 1: that we all know. He doesn't have to explain anything.
36:15
Speaker 1: The prosecution has to prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
36:20
Speaker 1: And then that's where I think the prosecution is not
36:24
Speaker 1: going to have an easy time of it. I mean,
36:27
Speaker 1: let's let's go back to the to the moving around,
36:29
Speaker 1: to the dumpsters. You know, if I was defending this case, yeah,
36:32
Speaker 1: he dropped things in five different dumpsters. I know there
36:35
Speaker 1: was a year between her going missing and him being arrested.
36:40
Speaker 1: But what did you find that You didn't find anything
36:43
Speaker 1: in dumpsters? You didn't find anything, uh, you know in
36:47
Speaker 1: the landfill if you went there and checked. I mean, so, yeah,
36:50
Speaker 1: we have all this moving around, but we have nothing
36:53
Speaker 1: to show for it. We have bizarre conduct, but we
36:56
Speaker 1: have nothing to show for it. So well, I agree
36:59
Speaker 1: that there's a explaining to do. The prosecution has the
37:05
Speaker 1: responsibility of explaining what happened to the jury. I don't
37:09
Speaker 1: have any problem without In fact, I would welcome that
37:12
Speaker 1: it is the duty of the state to prove the
37:14
Speaker 1: case beyond a reasonable doubt, not beyond a mathematical certainty,
37:19
Speaker 1: such as two and two equals four, but to the
37:22
Speaker 1: point where the jury believes that that is what happened.
37:27
Speaker 1: That Barrymorephew murdered his wife because she, Susanne Moorephew, was
37:32
Speaker 1: leaving him, as she said in her text to her
37:36
Speaker 1: friend just before she went missing. Yes, no, Carol McKinley
37:44
Speaker 1: joining us from the Denver Gazette. Is it true that
37:49
Speaker 1: Barrymorephew that morning was calling and gathering up a construction
37:57
Speaker 1: crew on his way as he drove along. Is that correct?
38:04
Speaker 1: You know, I don't remember if it was on his
38:07
Speaker 1: way to Broomfield. What do you know, Cheryl McCollum. Yeah,
38:10
Speaker 1: I don't know that either. About Hey, what I do know, Nancy?
38:13
Speaker 1: Law enforcement has done one hundred and thirty five churches,
38:16
Speaker 1: and they've talked over four hundred people, and no other
38:19
Speaker 1: suspect has material life. Well, of course I take great
38:23
Speaker 1: heart in that, Cheryl McCollum. But proving a murder case
38:27
Speaker 1: is not process of elimination. But I will tell you this.
38:32
Speaker 1: She says just before she dies, that she is not
38:39
Speaker 1: safe alone with her husband, Barry Morphew. She says that
38:46
Speaker 1: he is a master of manipulation that he can get
38:51
Speaker 1: his own daughters to believe him over her. I have
38:58
Speaker 1: very rarely actually rephrase, I have never seen Cheryl McCollum
39:04
Speaker 1: a case where there is domestic violence where the man
39:09
Speaker 1: is beating and threatening the woman as she refers to
39:14
Speaker 1: him Jacqueline Hyde, where the woman is then killed, and
39:19
Speaker 1: it was anybody other than the abuser? Have you absolutely not?
39:27
Speaker 1: So you would have me believe Matthew Mangino that after
39:33
Speaker 1: a long period of physical abuse, coincidentally on a day
39:40
Speaker 1: when the two girls were away on a hiking trip,
39:42
Speaker 1: a camping trip, on significantly Mother's Day, he hastily puts
39:49
Speaker 1: together a crew that morning leaves at three thirty in
39:52
Speaker 1: the morning that that day, of all days, an unknown
39:57
Speaker 1: individual it takes is in Morphew and not her abees
40:04
Speaker 1: or the last one known to be with her. Is
40:07
Speaker 1: that your theory? Somebody else did it? Well? I mean,
40:11
Speaker 1: if I'm representing Barry Morphew, it is my theory. And
40:16
Speaker 1: this is erosion. You know, that's a lot of you know,
40:20
Speaker 1: damning circumstantial weapon. But but but I would add that,
40:25
Speaker 1: as we said earlier, you know, they interviewed one hundred
40:28
Speaker 1: and thirty five or than one hundred and thirty five
40:31
Speaker 1: search warrants or or you know, I don't know how
40:33
Speaker 1: many volumes of pages of interviews. We don't have any
40:37
Speaker 1: blood in the house. We don't have any physical evidence
40:43
Speaker 1: in his vehicle or any place else that implicates him.
40:47
Speaker 1: I mean those things, well, that's you know, the police
40:49
Speaker 1: work was really intense and involved other than the dart
40:54
Speaker 1: gun evidence in the dryer. Yeah, okay, at dart gun,
40:58
Speaker 1: you know, but where's the weapons, where's her blood, where's
41:02
Speaker 1: her where's that you know she's going? Well, we don't
41:07
Speaker 1: know that. And isn't it true that Mallory informs her
41:11
Speaker 1: father they could not find their mom? Mary Moore few
41:16
Speaker 1: speaks to a neighbor asked him to check on Suzanne.
41:20
Speaker 1: He I guess is a clairvoyant, because he asked the
41:23
Speaker 1: neighbor to see if the mountain bike is at the house.
41:26
Speaker 1: They find no sign of her or bike. He asked
41:29
Speaker 1: them to call police, and instead of heading home immediately,
41:34
Speaker 1: he drops off a shovel and other tools at a
41:37
Speaker 1: hotel where he had booked rooms for them and himself,
41:42
Speaker 1: and then around six pm he begins to drive home.
41:48
Speaker 1: Is that true? Is that true, Cheryl, that's true. And Nancy,
41:51
Speaker 1: I want to point out one more thing. Sometimes, you know,
41:54
Speaker 1: you have to look at what the person does. Sometimes
41:57
Speaker 1: what they don't do is also very telling. Here it's
42:00
Speaker 1: some mother's day. He doesn't stay home an extra hour
42:03
Speaker 1: or two and make her breakfast and bring her some flowers.
42:06
Speaker 1: He doesn't even call her during that day to say
42:09
Speaker 1: happy Mother's Day. That to me is oh, yeah, very hell.
42:13
Speaker 1: He texted her that morning. No, no called her, calls herkner.
42:19
Speaker 1: He does not call her, which is what somebody would
42:22
Speaker 1: do to say, Hey, you know, I just want to
42:24
Speaker 1: tell you I appreciate those two lovely daughters you've given us.
42:28
Speaker 1: Happy Mother's Day. I'll be home at six, let's go
42:30
Speaker 1: to dinner. He doesn't do that. What did the text say,
42:34
Speaker 1: Carrol Mhinley, He just I don't know exactly, but it
42:37
Speaker 1: was a happy Mother's Day text and it was early
42:39
Speaker 1: in the morning on his way to Broomfield. He texted
42:41
Speaker 1: his mom and he texted Suzanne at around the same time,
42:46
Speaker 1: but then he texted her throughout the day. Cheryl, that
42:48
Speaker 1: didn't mean to interrupt you there. I'm sorry, No, you're fine,
42:51
Speaker 1: and I supportant for people to know. I was just
42:54
Speaker 1: saying he didn't make a future plan with her about dinner.
42:57
Speaker 1: He didn't do something overtly for her on that day
43:00
Speaker 1: to market. A text message is a completely different form
43:05
Speaker 1: of communication. Yeah. True, he did text her throughout the
43:09
Speaker 1: day saying how are you, Where are you? You know
43:13
Speaker 1: she never responded. That's like that, and she never responded
43:16
Speaker 1: to him, right right, exactly, We wait as justice un falls.
43:22
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace comes story, signing off goodbye friend.