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COINTELPRO Pt. 2: The Murder of Fred Hampton · Conspiracy! The Show

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy the Show. I'm your host,
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Speaker 2: Adam Todd Brown joining me as co host this week.
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Speaker 2: My favorite co host of all no co host, but
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Speaker 3: How's going, man, It's all good, except for you know
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Speaker 3: what we're going to talk about. That's not good. That's
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Speaker 3: the opposite of good. It's bad.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree that I think what we're talking
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Speaker 2: about today is bad. I would also I think, for
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Speaker 2: my money, this might be the most overlooked of all
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Speaker 2: of the really important assassinations of the sixties. There were
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Speaker 2: so many, but I feel like this one one gets
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Speaker 2: talked about the least. In my low key, it's one
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Speaker 2: of the more important ones. We're talking about the murder
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Speaker 2: of Fred Hampton, everybody.
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Speaker 3: If not for Judas in The Black Messiah, I feel
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Speaker 3: like it would be talked about even less. But even
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Speaker 3: with that movie, I feel like in the years after,
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Speaker 3: like it kind of doesn't feel like they talk enough
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Speaker 3: about that movie.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and goddamn, that's a good movie.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's really good.
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Speaker 2: Anyone has not seen it, go out and watch it.
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Speaker 2: That's yeah. That's what we're talking about is the events
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Speaker 2: depicted in Judas in The Black Messiah, which again, murder
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Speaker 2: of Fred Hampton I think, I mean, I don't think
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Speaker 2: murder is the right word. Murder is absolutely the right word.
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Speaker 2: This also seems like the most blatant all right, the
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Speaker 2: government obviously killed this guy. At least there's mystery with
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Speaker 2: RFK JFK fucking Malcolm x MLK. There is at least
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Speaker 2: some degree of did the government do that this it's
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Speaker 2: just a matter of was it the FBI and the
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Speaker 2: Chicago PD or just the Chicago PD. Yeah, that we
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Speaker 2: know who did this shit. Yeah fucking crazy.
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Speaker 3: This is like the easiest clue game ever.
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Speaker 2: It really is. And yeah, this one. I think. One
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Speaker 2: of the especially tragic aspects of this is how young
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Speaker 2: Fred Hampton was. He was twenty one when the police
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Speaker 2: killed him. That's crazy. He got a lot done in
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Speaker 2: twenty one years.
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Speaker 3: It's I'm trying to think of so, like David Hoague
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Speaker 3: just was in the news because he tried to do
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Speaker 3: some stuff with Democrats and they rejected him and things,
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Speaker 3: and I think he's like twenty five now, yeah, because
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Speaker 3: it's been years since Parkland and stuff like Fred Hampton
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Speaker 3: was like way younger. It's insane the just speak on
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Speaker 3: how young he was when he was gone and just
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Speaker 3: how much work he was doing at that age.
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Speaker 2: And in such a short amount of time, because it
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Speaker 2: seems it mostly starts sort of in college almost so
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Speaker 2: even that part just fascinating. One hell of a speaker. Goddamn,
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Speaker 2: he could move a fucking crowd.
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Speaker 3: There's I mean, we'll talk about once we get more
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Speaker 3: into the documentary, but there's a lot of frustrating aspects
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Speaker 3: with certain things that are depicted in there in terms
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Speaker 3: of just like how he speaks versus how like half
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Speaker 3: measured and just kind of indirect. A lot of people
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Speaker 3: have to tiptoe around their speaking points when it comes
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Speaker 3: to issues with fascism and things nowadays, and even on
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Speaker 3: the media side, like later on, we're going to have
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Speaker 3: things where reporters are questioning the state's attorney and different things,
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Speaker 3: and they're just flat out like saying, nah, I don't
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Speaker 3: think you're telling the truth right here, And I can't
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Speaker 3: imagine like anyone doing that now, Like it's very rare
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Speaker 3: that you get that on anything involving like police related
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Speaker 3: shootings and stuff. It's like pulling teeth. Look at the
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Speaker 3: I mean, you currently are living in it, but look
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Speaker 3: at like some of the just half assed responses from
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Speaker 3: media in regards to the LA stuff happening with the
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Speaker 3: LAPD and protesters and things like that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the LA protest stuff is very frustrating, and a
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Speaker 2: lot of it does come down to the media, And
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Speaker 2: you're right, you wouldn't. There's so much that we've covered
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Speaker 2: on this podcast that just from a media standpoint, would
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Speaker 2: not happen today, like investigations, just asking the government certain questions,
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Speaker 2: all of those things. So much of the media now
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Speaker 2: relies on access and oh if I say the wrong thing,
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Speaker 2: then they won't let me come to the White House
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Speaker 2: and listen to press conferences. So we got to toe
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Speaker 2: the line. And it's like you really should not toe
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Speaker 2: the line, not right now, especially.
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Speaker 3: Even like cowardice from like management too, like editorial, like
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Speaker 3: oh yeah, direction is just being led by billionaires in
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Speaker 3: some cases and in other cases just you know, people
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Speaker 3: who kind of collaborate with people in power.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, rather than question it. So but this all happened
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Speaker 2: at a point in time when people did sort of
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Speaker 2: question the government. This documentary we're going to talk about
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Speaker 2: at one point in the note, a documentary from nineteen
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Speaker 2: seventy one about this. That documentary would be on fucking
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Speaker 2: Rumble if it came out now, if it was about
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Speaker 2: something that happened today, it would be on like Tucker
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Speaker 2: Carlson or something, because it's not the government's official version
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Speaker 2: of events. So it's a conspiracy theory.
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Speaker 3: There's something very real, realistic. That's not the word I'm
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Speaker 3: using for, but there's something very just straightforward in the
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Speaker 3: presentation of this stuff. Like the material. There's not really
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Speaker 3: a narrator during the documentary, like maybe one or two sentences,
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Speaker 3: and I could just picture it like in modern days
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Speaker 3: with overbearing music to like kind of just convey moods
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Speaker 3: and maybe just like cutaways with just a weird narrator
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Speaker 3: or other types of weird reenactments, even though they have
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Speaker 3: the actual footage and stuff.
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Speaker 2: But just yeah, it.
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Speaker 3: Would either be very overly produced in a way that
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Speaker 3: we see with like true crime stuff like on ID
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Speaker 3: Discovery or like with Netflix docks, or it would be
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Speaker 3: this on someone's YouTube channel, and just like a handful
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Speaker 3: of people would be watching it, and people are like
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Speaker 3: more people need to pay attention to and they'd be like, oh,
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Speaker 3: he's not a real journalist.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So let's talk about Fred Hampton himself just
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Speaker 2: a little bit for people who are unaware. He was
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Speaker 2: a civil rights activist, and that is putting it fucking mildly.
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Speaker 2: It was the chair of the Illinois chapter of the
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Speaker 2: Black Panther Party and deputy chairman of the National Black
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Speaker 2: Panther Party. Black Panthers are talk about a group that
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Speaker 2: gets frustratingly discussed. To this day, the Black Panthers are
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Speaker 2: way up there. There is a I'll put it in
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Speaker 2: the I'll link to it in the show notes. I
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Speaker 2: know I've linked to it before, but if nothing else,
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Speaker 2: there is a PBS documentary about the Black Panthers that
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Speaker 2: every fucking American should watch. If you have a skewed
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Speaker 2: perception of who they were, it will change that perception.
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Speaker 2: But the thing that really bothers me is you still
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Speaker 2: to this day here people talk about, Oh, they were
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Speaker 2: promoting violence, they were pushing violence. This man got shot
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Speaker 2: twice in the head while he was sleeping who's promoting
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Speaker 2: the violence?
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Speaker 3: That doesn't sound familiar today, right exactly. It's like that's
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Speaker 3: another thing that's frustrating about this is that, like I said,
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Speaker 3: aside from like people not holding those in power accountable
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Speaker 3: with like journalism and stuff like that, the other thing
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Speaker 3: is just how the more things change, the more they
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Speaker 3: stay the same. There's a lot of that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Fred Hampton has a pretty famous quote. We
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Speaker 2: hear him deliver it in this nothing is more important
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Speaker 2: than stopping fascism because fascism will stop us all fuck. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: He speaks on that throughout this, and he also speaks
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Speaker 3: quite frankly because like I think a lot of times,
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Speaker 3: like people misconstrue black pantherism with just pro black rights
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Speaker 3: at the expense of everybody else's. And he's very clear,
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Speaker 3: like he does not hate white people, he doesn't hate
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Speaker 3: black people, he doesn't hate brown He's like, I just
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Speaker 3: hate oppressors in any way, shape or form. And he's
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Speaker 3: very clear that given certain circumstances, because he talks about
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Speaker 3: dictators in certain African countries where it's like it's very
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Speaker 3: easy for those who become revolutionaries to become those who
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Speaker 3: are in power and abusing that power, and he points
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Speaker 3: out like Papa Doc and like other people like that.
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Speaker 3: And he's very clear on that, and that's one of
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Speaker 3: the things, like you said, like it gets really misconstrued
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Speaker 3: with a lot of messaging with is it's not just
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Speaker 3: kill whitey you know it was right, Yeah, it's more
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Speaker 3: like killed the oppression that's kind of keeping everyone down.
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Speaker 3: And he they show a lot of white people in
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Speaker 3: the audiences for his speech that this like little did
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Speaker 3: you notice the little kid on like the shoulders who's
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Speaker 3: like fist pumping that kid ruled.
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Speaker 2: The kid was great. I wonder what he's doing now. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it was awesome. Yeah it I mean bred Hampton formed
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Speaker 2: of the Rainbow Coalition. That's probably what got him killed
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Speaker 2: if nothing else. But you're right, like that alone speaks
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Speaker 2: to his mindset on this. It wasn't oh well black
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Speaker 2: people need to rise up and be the oppressors or
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Speaker 2: whatever the fuck people think he was talking about. He
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Speaker 2: was very very clear and you see it in the documentary.
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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that. Yeah, we're all being
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Speaker 2: oppressed and we all need to take down the oppressors.
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Speaker 2: And it's shit like that that people are like he
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Speaker 2: was violent. It's like, eh, I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So he was targeted by the FBI as part of
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Speaker 2: co Intel pro starting in nineteen sixty seven. There's a
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Speaker 2: famous quote from Jay Edgar Hoover about wanting to prevent
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Speaker 2: the rise of a black Messiah, and he was mostly
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Speaker 2: talking about Fred Hampton when he said that. They started
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Speaker 2: tapping Hampton's mother's phone in February nineteen sixty eight. They
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Speaker 2: placed him in something called the Agitator Index in May
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Speaker 2: of nineteen sixty eight. That was just a database of
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Speaker 2: perceived threats that the FBI maintained before databases were even
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Speaker 2: a thing. It was just a bunch of fucking index cards.
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Speaker 2: How many were there? Because at some point that's going
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Speaker 2: to be counterproductive.
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Speaker 3: It's like the Dewey decimal system for people that annoy
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Speaker 3: j Edgarouvert.
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Speaker 2: Which was everybody. That guy was such a fucking creep. Goddamn.
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Speaker 2: The only funny thing that ever happened with j Edgar
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Speaker 2: Hoover in the FBI is the time Lyndon Johnson made
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Speaker 2: him spy on the KKK and he was like, ah,
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Speaker 2: what fine, I don't want to have to do that.
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Speaker 2: So one of the things we should talk about big
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Speaker 2: important detail when it comes to the murder of Fred
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Speaker 2: Hampton that does not come up in this documentary because
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Speaker 2: I think people just did not know by that point.
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Speaker 2: Is William O'Neill's role in this. If you watch Judas
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Speaker 2: in The Black Messiah, the role la Keith Stanfield plays
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Speaker 2: is the William O'Neill role. He was an FBI informant
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Speaker 2: in He had been arrested for car theft a couple
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Speaker 2: of times and agreed to work with the FEDS in
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Speaker 2: exchange for having his charge has dropped. He joined the
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Speaker 2: Black Panther Party and worked his way up to being
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Speaker 2: Fred Hampton's bodyguard. The FBI was great at that shit
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Speaker 2: in the sixties. If you watch the Netflix documentary about
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Speaker 2: the assassination of Malcolm X, one of Elijah Muhammad's like
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Speaker 2: right hand men was an FBI informant, like the number
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Speaker 2: two in the fucking organization or something. They had I
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Speaker 2: think ten agent sandor informants in the room when Malcolm
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Speaker 2: X died. They are good at infiltrating, and they kind
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Speaker 2: of had to be because they didn't really hire black people.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, what they did with William O'Neil is kind
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Speaker 2: of what they had to do. They didn't they couldn't
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Speaker 2: just send in a black FBI agent because it never
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Speaker 2: dawned on anyone that hey, we should maybe not be
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Speaker 2: so racist in our hiring practices. If we want to,
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Speaker 2: you know, spy on people.
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Speaker 3: If you blackmail them, you don't have to pay them
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Speaker 3: a salary.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, that's true, And yeah, that's what happened. William
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Speaker 2: O'Neil kind of got I mean, blackmailed is kind of
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Speaker 2: the right word. They were like, we'll drop your charges
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Speaker 2: if you just you know, set up one of the
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Speaker 2: most important civil rights leaders of all time to be killed.
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Speaker 3: And again, he's twenty twenty one years old. It's just
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Speaker 3: it's really crazy, like old ass FBI kids just setting
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Speaker 3: up a fucking college age person for all, Like, it's
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Speaker 3: just yeah, no.
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Speaker 2: We would call Fred Hampton a kid these.
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Speaker 3: Days, depending on your media, you would call him a
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Speaker 3: kid or an adult if he was on Newsmax or whatever.
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Speaker 3: Fucking oh right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: O'Neill was kind of the reason Fred Hampton got murdered
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Speaker 2: in his capacity as an FBI informant. For one thing,
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Speaker 2: he gave the Chicago PD a map of Fred Hampton's apartment,
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Speaker 2: including where all the furniture was, where Fred Hampton slept,
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Speaker 2: and the night the murder happened, he fucking drugged Fred
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Speaker 2: Hampton so he would not wake up during this police raid.
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Speaker 2: And again there is, for some reason to this day,
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Speaker 2: a lot of question as to whether the FBI knew
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Speaker 2: Fred Hampton was going to be shot during this raid.
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Speaker 2: But they're the ones that had the informant draw the
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Speaker 2: map and give it to the cops. They're the ones
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Speaker 2: that had the informant drug Fred Hampton. How the fuck
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Speaker 2: is history on the fence about whether they ordered this assassination.
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Speaker 3: I don't get it, the drugging thing. Why else would
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Speaker 3: you drug him?
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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, there's no other reON, Like, you're not gonna
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Speaker 2: drug him if you want to question him, if.
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Speaker 3: You can arrest it, Like I'm pretty sure that you
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Speaker 3: busting down the door and arresting it would just be
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Speaker 3: as easy if he was like so, like, it's not
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Speaker 3: like he was waiting for this.
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Speaker 2: He drugged his as it's like four o'clock in the morning. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and so on the night of December third, nineteen sixty nine,
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Speaker 2: Hampton taught a course at a local church and then
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Speaker 2: returned to his apartment with a bunch of associates. That's
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Speaker 2: when William O'Neill slipped him these drugs. William O'Neill was
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Speaker 2: there cook dinner for the group, and while he was
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Speaker 2: doing that, he slipped a sedative called Sicco barbital into
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Speaker 2: Hampton's drink so he would not wake up during a
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Speaker 2: raid that the Chicago pat had planned for early the
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Speaker 2: next morning. We should talk about the Chicago pet I
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Speaker 2: feel like they don't get the attention they deserve.
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Speaker 3: I think I brought this up. So here's the thing
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Speaker 3: with the Chicago Police department barring this, which is just stupid.
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Speaker 3: But Chicago police is very weird because the New York
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Speaker 3: Police Department are dumb, like they just do dumb things
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Speaker 3: right in front of a bunch of people and they
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Speaker 3: don't really care. The Los Angeles Police Department, they don't
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Speaker 3: give a shit. They're just like, fuck you, we're the police,
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Speaker 3: who gives a shit what you think? Get the fuck
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Speaker 3: out of my face. The Chicago Police Department is very
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Speaker 3: good at just denial, covering up in obs, doing blanking
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Speaker 3: on the word right now. Oba.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a tough obfuscation.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, they're basically they're really great at that. I mean,
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Speaker 3: there's a reason that they had a fucking black opsite
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Speaker 3: that nobody freaking knew about for better part of a decade.
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Speaker 2: Except for the writers of The Good Wife somehow.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was.
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Speaker 2: Like blows my goddamn mind.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. So, like Chicago Police Department is very good at
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Speaker 3: just shutting the fuck up and then just covering the
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Speaker 3: fuck up in terms of hiding ship with there. That's
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Speaker 3: why they're scary to me. That's really out of all
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Speaker 3: of the big departments, that one's probably the one that
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Speaker 3: scares me the most is CPD versus like the other ones,
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Speaker 3: because like, at least with LAPD, you just know that
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Speaker 3: they're like barbarians that are just going to attack you wherever,
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Speaker 3: and like n YPD, you know they're just idiot goons.
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Speaker 3: Like yeah, with CPD, it's like they've got that kind
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Speaker 3: of just well, I'm gonna be clever about this. Fuck you,
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Speaker 3: no one's gonna find you, Okay, Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I think it was the Chicago Sun Times that did
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Speaker 2: this big expose a few years ago about parking enforcement
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Speaker 2: in Chicago and what the Chicago PD was doing. Is
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Speaker 2: for some reason, people in low income areas were getting
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Speaker 2: the most parking tickets by far, to the point that
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Speaker 2: the Chicago p D would tow these people's cars and
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Speaker 2: make them pay to get it out of impound, and
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Speaker 2: if they couldn't pay, they would auction off the car
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Speaker 2: but not apply it to what the people owed the state,
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Speaker 2: so you would still owe that money and you're out
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Speaker 2: your fucking car. Like the police were stealing cars in
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Speaker 2: Chicago and just reselling them essentially.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it kind of goes hand in hand because
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Speaker 3: it's just like, in addition to the police department, Chicago
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Speaker 3: is just extremely corrupt, like on every level. Like I
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Speaker 3: know that, like lots of cities have corrupt politicians, but
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Speaker 3: I mean for CODs sakes, like Illinois like five four
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Speaker 3: past like six governors went to jail for Fox's sake, Like.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, welln No, White gets a lot of credit for
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Speaker 2: putting a moratorium on the death penalty, and it's like,
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Speaker 2: oh wait till you find out why though. It's because
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Speaker 2: one crooked cop was like listen, guys, I think I
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Speaker 2: sent like four hundred innocent people to prison, so we
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Speaker 2: might need to look at the death penalty. That's why
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Speaker 2: Illinois doesn't have the death penalty one fucking crooked cop. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's such an amazing story.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the history of the dailies alone and all
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Speaker 3: their corruption, the fucking countless Aldermans who have corrupted. I mean,
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Speaker 3: even this is going to be way deep in Chicago politics.
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Speaker 2: Wealin is from Chicago. We should mention that.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so one of the things in here, you
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Speaker 3: see Bobby Rush. You mentioned a lot in there and stuff.
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Speaker 3: Bobby Rush would go on to become a congressman. And
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Speaker 3: even he is not out of He literally was one
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Speaker 3: of the top black panthers. But even he is not
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Speaker 3: out of the realm of being like corrupted by Chicago
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Speaker 3: politics and stuff. He was at one point, I think
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Speaker 3: they said that he had received more money than anyone
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Speaker 3: else in terms of lobbying stuff out of any Illinois
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Speaker 3: congressman and things. He took a bunch of money in
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Speaker 3: from a bunch of internet companies and that was one
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Speaker 3: of the reasons he was like voting get cance internet
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Speaker 3: pills and stuff. It's just that city, man, It's like
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Speaker 3: Gotham if it was real. Sometimes. Yeah, yeah, so that's
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Speaker 3: what to go back to the original point on this,
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Speaker 3: it's like, we really don't talk enough about the Chicago
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Speaker 3: Police Department, and that's by design because they try to
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Speaker 3: cover up most of their shit.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, and so four or forty five am
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Speaker 2: December fourth, nineteen sixty nine, Happy Birthday, jay Z. Chicago
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Speaker 2: pet executed this raid. A Black Panther Party member named
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Speaker 2: Mark Clark was in the living room on security duty.
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Speaker 2: He was immediately shot and this caused him to reflexively
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Speaker 2: fire his weapon into the ceiling as he was dying. Basically,
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Speaker 2: that's important because it is the only shot the Black
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Speaker 2: Panther Party fired during this exchange. Chicago PD meanwhile fired
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Speaker 2: ninety nine shots, but somehow, for the longest time, the
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Speaker 2: story was thank god the police survived this brutal shootout
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Speaker 2: with these armed thugs.
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Speaker 3: They in the dock, they start, They showed the different
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Speaker 3: police officers like explaining their version at the offense. He's like,
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Speaker 3: she shot at a shotgun. I felt it whizz past me,
20:41
Speaker 3: and then I did, and it's like, motherfucker, this isn't
20:44
Speaker 3: call of duty. If someone shot you with a shotgun
20:47
Speaker 3: from there, you die immediately, like they the description of
20:52
Speaker 3: then I leaped here and then I shot five shots
20:55
Speaker 3: here while they shot back at me with this. It's
20:57
Speaker 3: the most John Wu Cory you graph bullshit sounding fight. Yeah,
21:03
Speaker 3: and there's no forensic evidence surrounding any of it.
21:07
Speaker 2: And you're right when that guy mentioned that, when he
21:10
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, she shot at me with shotgun, I
21:12
Speaker 2: felt whiz past. I was like, that's not those shotguns work. Yes, right,
21:16
Speaker 2: the whole fucking room.
21:17
Speaker 3: They literally scattered. Yeah, your face, half of your face
21:22
Speaker 3: would have been gone. It's hit right where it's at.
21:25
Speaker 3: It doesn't whiz by your shoulder bud.
21:27
Speaker 2: Yeah.
21:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, a bunch of jackhaws. My favorite part was when
21:32
Speaker 3: the Tribute tries to hold water for their bullshit and
21:35
Speaker 3: they're like, look at these bullet holes, and then the
21:38
Speaker 3: documentary guys clearly zoom in. They're that's a nail from
21:42
Speaker 3: a nail and you could see the nail that they
21:44
Speaker 3: just nailed because that's the doorframe. And how you put
21:47
Speaker 3: a doorframe up is that you nail the doorframe in. Yeah.
21:51
Speaker 2: That reminded me of Bobby Kennedy in reverse, because with
21:55
Speaker 2: r FK there's all these extra bullet holes in the
21:58
Speaker 2: doorframe and the police were like, don't worry, those aren't bullets. Also,
22:02
Speaker 2: we destroyed that doorframe. Oh yeah, that's what you do.
22:05
Speaker 2: That's what you do in a case like this, you
22:07
Speaker 2: destroy that doorframe immediately immediately. So yeah, the police they
22:12
Speaker 2: come in, they shoot Mark Clark, he fires the black
22:16
Speaker 2: panther party's sole shot in response, and not even in response. Again,
22:21
Speaker 2: it was like reflex. He was shot and killed instantly.
22:24
Speaker 2: So then they moved to Fred Hampton's bedroom, where a
22:28
Speaker 2: huge struggle ensues. And by that I mean they had
22:31
Speaker 2: to drag his pregnant girlfriend out of the room eight
22:33
Speaker 2: and a half months pregnant, eighteen years old.
22:36
Speaker 3: Again because Fred was drugged, so he wasn't awake for.
22:38
Speaker 2: Any correct So they drag her out and I think
22:43
Speaker 2: by this time he had either already been shot or
22:46
Speaker 2: they drag her out and they just start kind of
22:48
Speaker 2: shooting into the room, and then she hears someone say
22:52
Speaker 2: he's barely alive, he'll barely make it. And then she
22:56
Speaker 2: hears two more shots and one of the cops says
22:59
Speaker 2: he he's good and dead now. So it seems like
23:02
Speaker 2: they might have accidentally killed Fred Hampton in this raid.
23:05
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just who could have seen it coming.
23:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a tragedy. On both sides. I would say,
23:11
Speaker 2: you know, Fred Hampton, not to be that guy, but
23:14
Speaker 2: what was he doing sleeping in bed?
23:16
Speaker 3: Yeah?
23:16
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, are you really this much of
23:18
Speaker 2: an activist you're sleeping? Okay.
23:21
Speaker 3: Also it's his fault for not checking his drink.
23:23
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yea, Yeah, this was a murder. Fred Hampton
23:28
Speaker 2: was fucking murdered by the police and not even a again,
23:31
Speaker 2: it's not even like a oh there he was charging
23:34
Speaker 2: at me, he had a gun, like, they didn't even
23:36
Speaker 2: take any of that effort. They just shot this man
23:39
Speaker 2: in the back of the head twice in bed. This
23:42
Speaker 2: is one of those crimes people like that, Oh I
23:45
Speaker 2: don't believe any conspiracy theory that crowd explained Fred Hampton.
23:49
Speaker 3: Then yeah, it's like one of the ones. It's like
23:52
Speaker 3: one of those things where it's soap braisen. It's like
23:54
Speaker 3: the you know, the Philly apartment bombing. Yes, where it's
23:59
Speaker 3: just like oh Jesus, like how like you can't even
24:03
Speaker 3: like whatever story someone brings you. It's like that there's
24:07
Speaker 3: no story you could say that could cover the amount
24:10
Speaker 3: of bullshit that you just did. What are you talking?
24:12
Speaker 3: It's just yeah, it's an insult to even try to
24:15
Speaker 3: lie about it.
24:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, the move bombing is fucking nuts. That was the
24:20
Speaker 2: Philadelphia one. I don't know, people, some people won't want
24:23
Speaker 2: to hear it, but I would say the same thing
24:25
Speaker 2: about Waco and Ruby Ridge both Like Ruby Ridge the
24:29
Speaker 2: fbiye just shot a woman in the head while she
24:30
Speaker 2: was holding a baby. Yeah, and then I think the
24:34
Speaker 2: same guy started shooting at Waco. Also like the same
24:38
Speaker 2: atf AGENT. But Waco, man, they killed twenty two kids.
24:43
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen Waco Rules of Engagement?
24:46
Speaker 3: Not the only thing I have with Waco is I
24:48
Speaker 3: remember the made for TV movie with the dad from
24:51
Speaker 3: Wonder Years, and I'm gonna tell you that was not
24:53
Speaker 3: the most uh maybe that one movie was not so unbiased,
24:58
Speaker 3: you know, very pro pro ATF in that film made
25:03
Speaker 3: for TV movie on NBC in like nineteen ninety eight.
25:07
Speaker 2: I think whatever, Yeah, yeah, I think I shared this
25:10
Speaker 2: on an episode last week, but one of my favorite
25:14
Speaker 2: unprovable conspiracy theories. The FEDS had to know what Harvey
25:18
Speaker 2: Weinstein was getting up to for all those years, with
25:21
Speaker 2: you know, all the raping and things. The industry certainly knew.
25:25
Speaker 3: The IDF certainly knew because he kept hiring xah, it's
25:28
Speaker 3: to do his fucking investigations and shit.
25:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when did the hammer finally get dropped? When
25:36
Speaker 2: he decided to make Waco the first series on his
25:38
Speaker 2: new streaming platform, I feel like someone in the government
25:42
Speaker 2: was like, do it, do it, motherfucker, see what happens
25:46
Speaker 2: because that show, here's the thing, one thing, very good,
25:49
Speaker 2: really fucking good.
25:50
Speaker 3: Taylor Kitch is fantastic.
25:52
Speaker 2: He's so good in that there's a scene where he's
25:55
Speaker 2: playing guitar in the fucking window and it's one of
25:57
Speaker 2: the coolest things I've ever seen on a TV show.
26:00
Speaker 2: Fucking love it.
26:01
Speaker 3: I was glad he got that, I mean separate thing
26:04
Speaker 3: not involving its eeries but just completely miscast in a
26:08
Speaker 3: bunch of shit. Tim Riggins in that is his wheelhouse,
26:11
Speaker 3: like yeah.
26:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Waco shows great. Harvey Weinstein still sucks, though, Yeah,
26:17
Speaker 2: I want to I should clarify. It's fine what happened
26:20
Speaker 2: to him, whatever reason it happened. Finally, that's fine. He
26:24
Speaker 2: fucking deserved that. So let's talk about this documentary. I
26:27
Speaker 2: feel like history is just riddled with forgotten documentaries like
26:32
Speaker 2: this one I mentioned already. We covered another one a
26:35
Speaker 2: few weeks ago called The Second Gun. That is about
26:39
Speaker 2: how RFK was almost certainly killed by the security guard
26:44
Speaker 2: who was escorting him through the kitchen. He was shot
26:47
Speaker 2: at point blank range behind the ear Sir Hans Sarhan.
26:50
Speaker 2: Sir Han Sarhan was shooting, but he didn't get close
26:53
Speaker 2: enough to fire that shot. It's a very compelling documentary
26:57
Speaker 2: and this one is too. They both come from that
27:00
Speaker 2: time though, when I think people must have just been like,
27:04
Speaker 2: all right, we're making a documentary here. Rule number one,
27:07
Speaker 2: let's not try to be entertaining. We don't want to
27:09
Speaker 2: entertain these people. We just want to give them the facts.
27:13
Speaker 2: There's no narrators in this. It's just almost like archival
27:17
Speaker 2: footage kind of.
27:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, these guys were local, like Chicago filmmakers and stuff,
27:24
Speaker 3: so they kind of like knew most of these people,
27:27
Speaker 3: and they knew Fred Hampton's apartment. They knew these people
27:31
Speaker 3: well enough that when Fred Hampton died, they immediately ran
27:34
Speaker 3: to his apartment to film it before they could be
27:36
Speaker 3: corned off by CPD. So yeah, they were.
27:40
Speaker 2: Crazy that they got there that fast.
27:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, so like that off, Mike, we're mentioning one of
27:46
Speaker 3: the director of this co founded Second City in Chicago,
27:50
Speaker 3: so that's nuts. Yeah, it's kind of crazy. And then
27:53
Speaker 3: like the producer did some Star Trek the Next Generation episodes,
27:56
Speaker 3: which yeah, just two very different paths. But yeah, this
28:01
Speaker 3: is very much in presenting just archival footage and not
28:08
Speaker 3: like glossy or very like high productions of like what
28:13
Speaker 3: you'd get with like modern docs that would deal with
28:16
Speaker 3: like conspiracy stuff with this or anything like that that
28:18
Speaker 3: you'd see on like Netflix. It's just this is what happened.
28:21
Speaker 3: Here's direct footage of him speaking, Here's direct footage of
28:25
Speaker 3: them lying, here's direct footage of all this stuff.
28:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love all the footage of him speaking. He
28:31
Speaker 2: could move a fucking crowd. Reggie knew how to move
28:35
Speaker 2: a fucking crowd. You see him deliver the nothing is
28:38
Speaker 2: more important than stopping fascism, because fascism will stop us
28:41
Speaker 2: all line. I like that. You see all these scenes
28:45
Speaker 2: of tell me if this made you as angry as
28:47
Speaker 2: it did me. The Black Panthers giving kids breakfast, It's like,
28:50
Speaker 2: come on, these kids can pull themselves up from their
28:52
Speaker 2: bootstraps and get their own breakfast.
28:54
Speaker 3: You know, disgusting the idea of feeding the poor. Ugh, like,
28:59
Speaker 3: why do don't you come give me breakfast? I'm me,
29:03
Speaker 3: you're not me. I'm me. I deserve things because I'm me.
29:09
Speaker 3: Who cares about other people who are not me?
29:12
Speaker 2: It really is crazy, the degree to which the American
29:15
Speaker 2: government hates poor people getting bad. That's our whole thing
29:20
Speaker 2: with Venezuela. Venezuela hired their first non white president in
29:24
Speaker 2: the early two thousands, and he was like, Hey, how
29:26
Speaker 2: about food for everybody? And we were like, oh, not
29:30
Speaker 2: on our watch, pal. We've been fucking with them ever since.
29:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd like to point that most of the black
29:37
Speaker 3: panthers like breakfast programs and shit, are the reason why
29:40
Speaker 3: we have breakfast programs for public schools nowadays, because they're
29:44
Speaker 3: like a decade or so later. Okay, I guess this
29:47
Speaker 3: is better than letting children starve.
29:50
Speaker 2: Fine, Yeah, and it's I mean, it is such the
29:54
Speaker 2: intentions behind it are so fucking pure. And Jay Edgar
29:59
Speaker 2: Hoover still we talked about on the first co Intel
30:02
Speaker 2: Pro episode. He still managed to label this as black
30:05
Speaker 2: panthers trying to feed children insidious poison. It's like they
30:09
Speaker 2: are eating pancakes.
30:11
Speaker 3: They're eating pancakes. There's this one kid who has the
30:14
Speaker 3: biggest smile when he gets like a bowl of cereal.
30:17
Speaker 3: He's so happy. Yeah, yeah, no.
30:20
Speaker 2: And it's like this isn't They're not on TikTok. They're
30:23
Speaker 2: not like, oh look at us fucking feeding the community
30:26
Speaker 2: for fucking points. No, they just want to give kids breakfast.
30:30
Speaker 2: And somehow the government was so mad about that free
30:33
Speaker 2: breakfast and free medical care in black communities, and the
30:37
Speaker 2: government was like, oh, no, you don't don't, which I mean,
30:43
Speaker 2: I don't understand why from the government standpoint, they wouldn't
30:46
Speaker 2: be like, all right, that mean you're not going to
30:48
Speaker 2: ask us to do it? Cool, because we weren't going
30:50
Speaker 2: to anyway. So I don't know why it couldn't have
30:53
Speaker 2: just been that, why the government couldn't just be like, okay,
30:55
Speaker 2: well now we don't have to do anything.
30:57
Speaker 3: But I think Fred you kind of explained is a
31:00
Speaker 3: lot of it because one of his big things beyond
31:04
Speaker 3: he doesn't go into just oh, everything's bad because of racism.
31:09
Speaker 3: He draws a direct line. And you see so many
31:11
Speaker 3: people have problems with pointing this out today, which is
31:14
Speaker 3: another thing that pisses me off. When I was like
31:17
Speaker 3: watching this, he points out how racism, and a lot
31:20
Speaker 3: of all of these structures of racism are all in
31:23
Speaker 3: the benefit of capitalism, and that is the big problem
31:27
Speaker 3: at the heart of it, and why they're all so
31:30
Speaker 3: mad at him is because he has the audacity to
31:32
Speaker 3: point out that capitalism sucks and that a lot of
31:35
Speaker 3: the issues that result in the different racial tensions are
31:39
Speaker 3: just basically because of capitalist nature of trying to keep
31:43
Speaker 3: somebody oppressed just so that you can make a buck
31:46
Speaker 3: off of them. And he also rightfully points out, like
31:49
Speaker 3: he's like the issues with I don't want to replace
31:52
Speaker 3: white capitalism with just black capitalism because that's just the
31:55
Speaker 3: same fucking problem. There's one point, which was really where
32:00
Speaker 3: he says white power to white people, brown brown people,
32:04
Speaker 3: and he just goes through the different races because like
32:06
Speaker 3: there should be power to everybody, because if one of
32:10
Speaker 3: us is oppressed, then we're all oppressed. And he keeps
32:12
Speaker 3: pointing out like it all goes back to capitalism with
32:16
Speaker 3: him and education, those are the two things. Because there's
32:19
Speaker 3: that part where a couple of other community leaders are
32:22
Speaker 3: like presenting plans to him and they're talking about doing
32:26
Speaker 3: a community credit union and like other health program and stuff.
32:29
Speaker 3: It's like, what about education, and they just don't really
32:32
Speaker 3: have an educational plan. It's like, no, that needs to
32:34
Speaker 3: be found fundamental because without education, you just leave yourself
32:37
Speaker 3: open to be taking over by some other oppressor. And
32:39
Speaker 3: then that's when he starts talking about like Papa Dooc
32:42
Speaker 3: and all those other yeah, you know types who were
32:44
Speaker 3: considered revolutionaries and ended up betraying that. So yeah, the
32:48
Speaker 3: man could talk, and the man actually knew what he
32:51
Speaker 3: was talking about, which is the other part of it.
32:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, the I know we are you know, we know
32:57
Speaker 2: who killed him. I don't know if we one hundred
33:00
Speaker 2: percent still know why. But there is a prison interview
33:04
Speaker 2: with Tupac from right before Suge Night got him out
33:09
Speaker 2: and maybe got him killed, where if you watched that interview,
33:13
Speaker 2: I remember watching it and being like, oh, maybe the
33:15
Speaker 2: government killed Tupac because he was talking the exact same shit.
33:20
Speaker 2: In that prison interview. He was like, we are all
33:23
Speaker 2: being oppressed. We need to fucking all the street gangs
33:27
Speaker 2: need to join together, which is another thing Fred Hampton
33:30
Speaker 2: was big on. So yeah, it's but Fred Hampton especially,
33:34
Speaker 2: I think you're right the capitalism is what probably separated
33:39
Speaker 2: him from a lot of other people. Because yeah, there
33:42
Speaker 2: is a very famous quote where he's like, no, we're
33:45
Speaker 2: not going to replace white capitalism with black capitalism. We're
33:48
Speaker 2: going to replace it with socialism. It's the only way
33:51
Speaker 2: to defeat it. And ah, man, this country does not
33:54
Speaker 2: want to hear that shit at all. Goddamn. That is
33:59
Speaker 2: the d States thing. We talk about how much it
34:03
Speaker 2: happened in Latin America in like the eighties when Reagan
34:07
Speaker 2: was just launching all these wars to fight communism there.
34:11
Speaker 2: This is the same thing. The government just launched wars
34:15
Speaker 2: in black neighborhoods to fight socialism and they won.
34:20
Speaker 3: And like I said, it's the there's a lot of
34:22
Speaker 3: the more things change, the more this is And because
34:25
Speaker 3: just what's the big talking point that you always hear
34:27
Speaker 3: on shitty like right wing media things, is always complaining
34:31
Speaker 3: about communy socialists and their protests or oh, we're going
34:34
Speaker 3: to get rid of all the socialists from la We're
34:38
Speaker 3: going to get rid of the communist conspiracy. It's just yeah,
34:42
Speaker 3: it's nuts. Again, Like it's one of the frustrating things
34:45
Speaker 3: about this is that Fred and some of the others
34:49
Speaker 3: in there, and the journalist again just speak like openly
34:52
Speaker 3: and call out on bullshit in ways that we just
34:55
Speaker 3: don't see from like activists or journalists today. But the
34:59
Speaker 3: talking point of the people that they're trying to you know, dispute,
35:04
Speaker 3: are still using their same bullshit about oh, no, communism's bad,
35:07
Speaker 3: socialism's bad. So they're still just staying with the same
35:09
Speaker 3: talking points, while the others have just kind of taken
35:12
Speaker 3: a step back, yeah, from what they are, and gotten
35:14
Speaker 3: worse at disputing that again, Like you can't even talk
35:18
Speaker 3: about fascism without somebody saying, well, both sides, whereas before
35:22
Speaker 3: he's very clear fascism is going to kill everybody. It's
35:26
Speaker 3: not a black thing, it's everyone.
35:29
Speaker 2: Like, there's no both sides to fascism, and no, if
35:34
Speaker 2: anyone thinks there is, you're a fucking fascist. Even if
35:37
Speaker 2: you think you fall on the other side, but you
35:39
Speaker 2: still think there's two sides to it, you're fucking fascist.
35:42
Speaker 3: If you're not wearing the boots, you're a boot laker.
35:45
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. There is a speech where he mentions the
35:48
Speaker 2: ice cream truck robbery. That's a real thing, and it
35:53
Speaker 2: was pointed out later, or at least suggested later in
35:57
Speaker 2: a memoir by a like researcher who looked into civil
36:02
Speaker 2: rights stuff. This was probably a co intel pro thing.
36:06
Speaker 2: One of the aims of co intel pro not really aims,
36:09
Speaker 2: but one of their tactics was if there was at
36:12
Speaker 2: all a chance you could get someone hit with bullshit
36:15
Speaker 2: criminal charges, do it because if nothing else, you can
36:18
Speaker 2: send them to jail for a little bit. And that
36:20
Speaker 2: happened to Fred Hampton. There was this incident. I've read
36:24
Speaker 2: up on it after watching this documentary, and it seems
36:27
Speaker 2: like what happened, or at least his side of the story,
36:31
Speaker 2: which I'm going to take. His side of the story
36:33
Speaker 2: is he intervened in this dispute between an ice cream
36:37
Speaker 2: truck driver who was being a little racist and some
36:40
Speaker 2: kids in the neighborhood, and he tried to intervene. Things
36:43
Speaker 2: got heeded and a bunch of people from the neighborhood
36:47
Speaker 2: charged the truck and just took the ice cream and
36:49
Speaker 2: started throwing it out into the crowd, And because Fred
36:54
Speaker 2: Hampton was there, the police were like, oh, well, we're
36:56
Speaker 2: just going to charge fred Hampton was stealing seventy one
36:59
Speaker 2: dollars worth of ice cream, and that shit worked. He
37:02
Speaker 2: went to prison over that.
37:04
Speaker 3: There's more to talk about, but when he was talking
37:07
Speaker 3: about the seventy one dollars of ice cream, He's like, yeah,
37:10
Speaker 3: seven hundred and fifty bars, and I'm like, Jesus Christ,
37:13
Speaker 3: old time ice cream prices, like it's one of the Like,
37:16
Speaker 3: there was so much going on, but I was like
37:18
Speaker 3: eleven o'clock at night and I was eating ice cream
37:21
Speaker 3: while I was watching this. I was just like, this
37:23
Speaker 3: fucking thing cost me five bucks, ravel are you goddamn
37:26
Speaker 3: kidding me?
37:26
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, yeah, that's so much ice cream for seventy
37:30
Speaker 2: one dollars. If I had a time, that's what I
37:32
Speaker 2: would do. I would just bring a freezer with me
37:34
Speaker 2: and go back buy a shit ton of good humor bars.
37:37
Speaker 3: I mean, you're just a fool for not stealing an
37:39
Speaker 3: ice cream truck at that price, Like come.
37:41
Speaker 2: On, oh yeah, and so yeah, this again was almost
37:45
Speaker 2: certainly a co intel pro thing, and it worked. It
37:48
Speaker 2: sent Fred Hampton to prison for a little bit. There
37:51
Speaker 2: is footage in this that is a little confusing because
37:56
Speaker 2: it seems like it's footage of him in court defending
37:59
Speaker 2: himself over this ice cream charge, but it is not that.
38:02
Speaker 2: It's like a mock trial.
38:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a mock trial for like judgment by the
38:07
Speaker 3: people for you know, just and it's a bunch of
38:10
Speaker 3: like supporters of the part Black Panther Party and stuff
38:13
Speaker 3: for all like playing the judges and you know, the
38:17
Speaker 3: attorneys and things like that.
38:18
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, there is a very fun moment where
38:23
Speaker 2: he's questioning I think he's questioning a cop because I
38:26
Speaker 2: think there was a black cop who was all said.
38:29
Speaker 3: There was a black cop, but that wasn't the cop.
38:32
Speaker 3: I think that the cop in that fake trial was
38:34
Speaker 3: just you know, one of the party guys. I don't
38:36
Speaker 3: know who the actual cop was, because again, it's pretty
38:39
Speaker 3: confusing because the narrator does not clarify that. Like it
38:42
Speaker 3: took me like until like the second or third time
38:44
Speaker 3: when they cut back to it to realize, oh wait,
38:47
Speaker 3: this is the mock trial. Yeah.
38:48
Speaker 2: The only reason I suspected he might have been talking
38:52
Speaker 2: to the black cop is the question he asked him
38:54
Speaker 2: at the end, where he goes, officer done, do you
38:57
Speaker 2: think you're free? I was like, ooh, that's a question done.
39:01
Speaker 3: Yeah.
39:03
Speaker 2: But also there is a scene where he asks officer
39:07
Speaker 2: done if he's aware that black people are being oppressed
39:10
Speaker 2: by white people, and the prosecution objects and Fred Hampton goes,
39:14
Speaker 2: allow me to rephrase, are you aware that a whole
39:17
Speaker 2: lot of blood sucking pigs are vampires.
39:20
Speaker 3: That's the moment where I was like, oh, yeah, I
39:22
Speaker 3: think this might not be the real courtroom because he
39:26
Speaker 3: didn't object on that one at all.
39:27
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, yeah, that's where he would have
39:30
Speaker 2: gotten shot in real life. That moment.
39:33
Speaker 3: Also so much smoking in that courtroom.
39:36
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
39:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, like everyone in that court everyone in that mock
39:41
Speaker 3: trial later got cancer. Like there's zero chance with that.
39:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah that I don't know. I mean, I guess
39:46
Speaker 2: you would have been used to it back then, But
39:49
Speaker 2: I'm old enough to still sort of remember the smoking
39:52
Speaker 2: indoors days.
39:54
Speaker 3: It sucked.
39:55
Speaker 2: It was bad. I had to telemarketing job for a
39:59
Speaker 2: night on night where they let you smoke in there,
40:02
Speaker 2: and I was like, get me the fuck out of here,
40:04
Speaker 2: I'm gonna die. And I smoked at the time.
40:07
Speaker 3: There's this stupid trend with zoomers. I know, this is
40:11
Speaker 3: a complete different tangent where they're talking there's like this
40:14
Speaker 3: thing called SIGs inside, like hashtag SIGs inside. I'm like,
40:18
Speaker 3: you don't understand how fucking terrible SIGs inside All of
40:22
Speaker 3: our food tasted worse. The reason that like food stuff
40:25
Speaker 3: started to take off in the nineties and like kind
40:28
Speaker 3: of boomed aside from like food network, is because people's
40:31
Speaker 3: taste buds started getting better because we didn't allow them
40:34
Speaker 3: to fucking smoke inside. Yeah, you used to smoke on airplanes.
40:38
Speaker 2: Could smoke on airplanes, You could smoke at hospitals. My
40:41
Speaker 2: mom worked at a hospital. She used to smoke at
40:43
Speaker 2: a fucking desk. And it's like, whenever people are like,
40:46
Speaker 2: how come everyone looked so much older back then, It's
40:50
Speaker 2: like they all smoked.
40:52
Speaker 3: Or they had to work at jobs where they were
40:54
Speaker 3: rounded by smoke. How many waitresses died secondhand smoke?
40:59
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, either that or everyone was out, like you
41:02
Speaker 2: had to go outside to have fun in that age,
41:04
Speaker 2: as you. Also, that's why.
41:06
Speaker 3: Everyone's old fucking furniture had that nasty like film on it,
41:10
Speaker 3: kind of like when you touch it, there's like that
41:13
Speaker 3: greasy as it's stuff was disgusting. You can't The only
41:18
Speaker 3: reason people like are nostalgic for that is because you
41:21
Speaker 3: can't scratch and sniff episodes of mad Men or anything
41:25
Speaker 3: in the eighties, because buddy, if you could, oh my god,
41:28
Speaker 3: you would not be pro smoking indoors.
41:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely not.
41:32
Speaker 3: Sorry, that was just a complete side man. But man,
41:35
Speaker 3: they're smoking up a chimney during that mock trial.
41:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are fucking firing them up. I like the part.
41:43
Speaker 2: I don't know if they were in court when they
41:45
Speaker 2: were doing the Piggy Wiggy chant. The tune of Louie
41:49
Speaker 2: Louie Piggy, Oh, I say you gotta go.
41:56
Speaker 3: The oink o part got me so good.
42:00
Speaker 2: And they do it a bunch, like they play that
42:02
Speaker 2: shit like fifteen times in a row. I love it great. Yeah,
42:06
Speaker 2: there's footage this documentary. There's footage of him given this
42:10
Speaker 2: speech and then the hardest cut of all time to
42:14
Speaker 2: just footage of the room where he was shot and killed.
42:18
Speaker 3: He literally says his line and then smash cut to
42:21
Speaker 3: a bloody bed.
42:23
Speaker 2: Yeah.
42:24
Speaker 3: When they do the smash cut, they also show like
42:26
Speaker 3: other parts of the apartment. It's a little it's hard
42:29
Speaker 3: to even in black and white because it's this is
42:32
Speaker 3: a black and white documentary. There's no color footage in there.
42:35
Speaker 3: But even in black and white, it's very grotesque how
42:40
Speaker 3: bloody everything is in there. They lift up like the
42:44
Speaker 3: broke down door and right underneath it. It's a huge
42:46
Speaker 3: pile of blood. They go to the bedroom, there's a
42:49
Speaker 3: huge pile of blood. There's just blood everywhere in such
42:53
Speaker 3: a manner that's just so obvious that this was just
42:56
Speaker 3: a bunch of people shooting at someone, not a shootout,
43:00
Speaker 3: because there's no way that if this was a shootout
43:03
Speaker 3: that you wouldn't see it on the other side, Like,
43:04
Speaker 3: it's just impossible. It's such a confined space.
43:08
Speaker 2: Like do you even get the police like telling this
43:11
Speaker 2: story about oh, yeah, there was all this. They were
43:13
Speaker 2: returning fire, and I feel like at one point they're
43:16
Speaker 2: in the room and someone is like, there's no bullet
43:18
Speaker 2: holes behind you? Why? Yeah, what do you mean? What
43:21
Speaker 2: do you mean they were shooting at you? That would
43:23
Speaker 2: like we've all seen because this crime scene was just
43:25
Speaker 2: it seems like was just open, like people were just
43:28
Speaker 2: going in and checking it out, and everyone who saw
43:31
Speaker 2: it was like, oh, there's no bullets anywhere else. They're
43:35
Speaker 2: all going this way. What the fuck. This is a
43:37
Speaker 2: quote that we hear in the documentary from State's Attorney
43:40
Speaker 2: Edward Hanrahan, who ordered the raid. Quote, the immediate violent,
43:45
Speaker 2: criminal reaction of the occupants in shooting at announced police officers.
43:50
Speaker 2: Emphasizes the extreme viciousness of the Black Panther Party, so
43:54
Speaker 2: does their refusal to cease firing at the police officers
43:58
Speaker 2: when urged to do so. Times end quote. That is
44:01
Speaker 2: exactly the kind of shit you hear out of the
44:04
Speaker 2: fucking Trump administration right now. This is how you would
44:08
Speaker 2: hear them explain this incident. They'd be like, fucking violent
44:12
Speaker 2: criminals shooting hundreds of rounds at us and people would
44:14
Speaker 2: be like, there's no bullets. They'd be like, fake media
44:18
Speaker 2: is lying to you. George Soros covered up those bullets.
44:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's they were protected by God. Yeah, like
44:27
Speaker 3: jewels and pulp fiction. Yeah, it's uh. Hanrahan. They do
44:32
Speaker 3: a lot of choice quotes from him. There's at one
44:36
Speaker 3: point the Chicago Tribune gets an exclusive with them and
44:41
Speaker 3: they present like the police and Handrahan's version of events,
44:46
Speaker 3: and they're like, why did you go to the Chicago Tribute.
44:49
Speaker 3: He's like, well, I feel it was a fine paper
44:52
Speaker 3: of presenting the facts, and he says fair and balanced.
44:57
Speaker 3: And then this hero of Iago reporters, Uh did the
45:02
Speaker 3: uh people who buy that specific type of paper in
45:06
Speaker 3: terms of uh, you know, identity as opposed to like
45:10
Speaker 3: other papers in the city matter in there and he's like, uh,
45:13
Speaker 3: does anyone have an actual question? He's so pissed, like
45:17
Speaker 3: he wants to kill that reporter right then in there.
45:20
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And it ends up being the Chicago Sun
45:22
Speaker 2: Times that is the first to refute the police's version
45:28
Speaker 2: of events, And a lot of it has to do
45:31
Speaker 2: with those bullet holes. The Chicago sometimes is like those
45:34
Speaker 2: are nails. You look at that, and anyone, like you
45:38
Speaker 2: see him in the documentary, anyone would look at that
45:40
Speaker 2: and go, oh yeah, those are nails. And even if
45:43
Speaker 2: they weren't, there's still only four Where are all the
45:45
Speaker 2: other bullets that the Black Panthers were supposed to be firing.
45:48
Speaker 2: They fired four bullets into the doorframe. That's it.
45:51
Speaker 3: There are four bullets and pretty precise locations as if
45:54
Speaker 3: to hang up a doorframe, like right, yeah, you know,
45:59
Speaker 3: because they didn't have home depots back then, so you
46:02
Speaker 3: just had to use whatever to hang your fucking door frame.
46:04
Speaker 2: Like exactly. They it's pointed out that the Black Panthers
46:09
Speaker 2: were stockpiling weapons in this apartment owned by Fred Hampton.
46:14
Speaker 2: It's like, I wonder, why is it? Maybe because they
46:17
Speaker 2: were afraid the police were just gonna come indiscriminately shoot
46:20
Speaker 2: them in their bed some night. Because that happened.
46:23
Speaker 3: I'm sure you've probably talked about this in another It's
46:26
Speaker 3: the what the reasons that we even had, like the
46:29
Speaker 3: most minimal of gun laws was specifically because black panthers
46:34
Speaker 3: and black people were starting to arm themselves, and white
46:37
Speaker 3: congressmen and senators were like, absolutely not, gotta put something out,
46:41
Speaker 3: We gotta pull that back a little bit. Yeah.
46:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. I mean people say that now, oh,
46:48
Speaker 2: like civil rights types should just start buying more guns.
46:52
Speaker 2: This would be like the result, like it, Yeah, it
46:55
Speaker 2: would be the government being like, oh, you're stockpiling guns
46:59
Speaker 2: because you think the govern it's gonna come after you
47:01
Speaker 2: and take your guns. We are, we're gonna come. We're
47:04
Speaker 2: How did you know why you got us? Damn it?
47:10
Speaker 2: And somehow, even with all the evidence against these cops,
47:15
Speaker 2: a grand jury decides there is not sufficient evidence to
47:20
Speaker 2: charge them with suppressing civil rights.
47:22
Speaker 3: That's the Chicago way.
47:24
Speaker 2: It's like, well, how about murder? Then? How about just
47:27
Speaker 2: plain old murder? Because that's what this was. And yeah,
47:32
Speaker 2: for like I said, for some reason, people still question
47:35
Speaker 2: if the FBI had any role in this, they ordered
47:39
Speaker 2: the raid. I don't think the Chicago p D took
47:41
Speaker 2: it upon themselves to kill Fred Hampton. I think there
47:45
Speaker 2: was probably just agree like agreement across the board, Chicago
47:50
Speaker 2: p D, FBI, probably the fucking White House, fucking Robert
47:54
Speaker 2: Kennedy for all I know, he signed the wiretap on
47:58
Speaker 2: Martin Luther King. I think everyone just wanted Fred Hampton dead.
48:01
Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like even if the FBI wasn't involved,
48:04
Speaker 3: like CPD would have killed him anyway, and the FBI
48:06
Speaker 3: would have killed him. It's like one of those things
48:08
Speaker 3: where it's like what do you want? Oh I want pizza.
48:10
Speaker 3: Oh I want pizza too. Oh okay, we all both
48:12
Speaker 3: agree on pizza. That's what types does you want? Like that,
48:14
Speaker 3: It's just they were all in agreement on there.
48:16
Speaker 2: It's yeah, yeah, they were going to get Fred Hampton
48:19
Speaker 2: for sure, one way or another. For what it's worth,
48:23
Speaker 2: there was a lawsuit filed against the Chicago PD and
48:26
Speaker 2: the federal government in this case eventually settled with nine
48:30
Speaker 2: plaintiffs being awarded one point eight five million dollars. And
48:34
Speaker 2: don't let history tell you that kind of shit doesn't matter,
48:37
Speaker 2: Like there's Snopes, which I am convinced is just a
48:40
Speaker 2: wing of the government would love to have you believe.
48:43
Speaker 2: It is just not at all important that Mlka's family
48:47
Speaker 2: sued the government in one but like, yeah, but it
48:50
Speaker 2: was a civil trial and they only won a dollar.
48:54
Speaker 2: It's like, one, they only asked for a dollar because
48:56
Speaker 2: they wanted to prove it wasn't about the money. And two,
48:59
Speaker 2: you know, the govern didn't want to lose. They didn't
49:02
Speaker 2: want to like not win that case. They fucking tried
49:06
Speaker 2: to win that case. They just didn't because the government
49:09
Speaker 2: killed Martin Luther King Junior. So like, this matters. These
49:13
Speaker 2: lawsuits matter. Malcolm X's family is suing the government currently,
49:17
Speaker 2: it matters. I'm fascinated to see how that case goes.
49:21
Speaker 3: That is going to be a shit show.
49:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, I feel like they have to
49:28
Speaker 2: have a pretty strong case. Like two of the dudes
49:31
Speaker 2: who got arrested for it have already been released from prison.
49:34
Speaker 2: They were exonerated, Like we immediately let them out forty
49:37
Speaker 2: years later after the because one of the people that
49:40
Speaker 2: was arrested he did it. He like the crowd caught
49:43
Speaker 2: him with the gun in his hand and beat the
49:45
Speaker 2: shit out of him.
49:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, like there wasn't a mystery. It's like, I think
49:50
Speaker 3: it's the guy with the gun who just shot him. Yeah, okay.
49:53
Speaker 2: And then in the Malcolm X documentary on Netflix, you
49:56
Speaker 2: actually see one of the people that they suspect was
49:59
Speaker 2: one of the other shooters just like casually walk away
50:02
Speaker 2: as that guy's getting his ass beat And yeah, even
50:06
Speaker 2: that guy was like the other two you arrested had
50:08
Speaker 2: nothing to do with this, and those dudes went to
50:11
Speaker 2: prison for a long time, a long long time.
50:14
Speaker 3: One other thing I kind of forgot to talk about,
50:17
Speaker 3: but they also talk about other like aside from Fred Hampton,
50:20
Speaker 3: they talked about other things of brutality from the CPD.
50:23
Speaker 3: There's one speaker who brings up I forget exactly who
50:27
Speaker 3: told him the story, but he was saying like how
50:30
Speaker 3: at one point he was held by the Chicago Police
50:33
Speaker 3: Department and they held his nose and they started to
50:36
Speaker 3: shove gauze in his mouth as he started like bleeding
50:40
Speaker 3: from there and stuff. It's like a bunch of torture
50:43
Speaker 3: shit that is kind of familiar to like stuff that
50:47
Speaker 3: you would see coming out from like nine to eleven
50:49
Speaker 3: type torture shit. Or the black OPSI that the CPD
50:54
Speaker 3: had in the two thousands that's depicted on The Good Wife.
50:58
Speaker 2: Like, yes, that's still blows my mind with the Good
51:01
Speaker 2: Wife was on that story so early. The Kings fucking
51:04
Speaker 2: loved the Kings, Michelle and Roberts person Now that's why
51:10
Speaker 2: The Good Fight is the best show ever because it
51:13
Speaker 2: is The Good Wife with her minus Julianna Marguley's plus
51:18
Speaker 2: a bunch of black people and cursing and more.
51:21
Speaker 3: Christine Baranski.
51:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, The Good Fight fucking rules and you will
51:26
Speaker 2: learn shit watching that show. So yeah, William O'Neil, we
51:29
Speaker 2: should talk about what happened with that guy for one thing. Again,
51:35
Speaker 2: do we know if the FBI had any involvement, Well
51:38
Speaker 2: we know William O'Neil got a bonus from the FBI
51:42
Speaker 2: after this raid on Fred Hampton, so something happened that
51:46
Speaker 2: they liked. But also he eventually sat down for an
51:50
Speaker 2: interview with a documentary series called Eyes on the Prize
51:54
Speaker 2: about his role in the death of Fred Hampton, and
51:58
Speaker 2: he ended up omitting suicide before that episode came out.
52:02
Speaker 2: History has since painted it as him watching the episode
52:05
Speaker 2: and then killing himself. He actually watched the first episode
52:09
Speaker 2: of the series and then didn't even wait for his
52:12
Speaker 2: episode to air. He was just like, oh, yeah, this
52:15
Speaker 2: isn't gonna be good.
52:16
Speaker 3: Apparently that wasn't his first attempt either, because yeah, trigger
52:20
Speaker 3: warning for suicide stuff. But like, yeah, he walked onto
52:23
Speaker 3: like a freeway it got hit by a car, but
52:26
Speaker 3: he had also trot and he died. But he had
52:28
Speaker 3: also apparently tried that like a year or two earlier,
52:32
Speaker 3: the exact same method, but he lived when he got
52:34
Speaker 3: hit by a car that time. So this has been
52:37
Speaker 3: kind of weighing on him for a while. So I bet, yeah,
52:40
Speaker 3: I can imagine, So yeah.
52:42
Speaker 2: I bet that weighed on him. So yeah, well this
52:45
Speaker 2: documentary you can watch it on Max. It is streaming.
52:50
Speaker 2: It's on Max.
52:50
Speaker 3: But I think that so this was, like I said,
52:53
Speaker 3: this was made by some Chicago filmmakers. I think it's
52:55
Speaker 3: under like the Chicago Filmmaker something. But I think they
52:59
Speaker 3: have a YouTube channel that has all of the documentaries
53:02
Speaker 3: that that group in the seventies did, because they do
53:05
Speaker 3: a couple others. But I'm not positive on that. I
53:07
Speaker 3: need to double check it. But it's for sure on
53:09
Speaker 3: Max right now, and it's just the Murder of Fred Hampton.
53:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll look forward to If I can find it
53:14
Speaker 2: on YouTube, I'll link to it in the show notes.
53:17
Speaker 2: People should check it out if you want a highly
53:20
Speaker 2: entertaining version of the story. That is, they embellish it
53:23
Speaker 2: a little bit, probably because it's a movie. But Judas
53:26
Speaker 2: in the Black Messiah is so good. There's a reason
53:28
Speaker 2: Daniel Kalua won fucking Oscar for that movie. It's such
53:32
Speaker 2: a good actor. They both him and.
53:37
Speaker 3: So fucking good.
53:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and yeah, that is a fantastic movie. Cannot
53:42
Speaker 2: recommend it enough. Do we have any final thoughts on
53:46
Speaker 2: Bred Hampton? What a goddamn tragedy oof.
53:50
Speaker 3: Yeah again, like kind of I don't want to say
53:53
Speaker 3: overlook because he did get a big budget movie made
53:56
Speaker 3: out of him and stuff, But I feel not as
54:00
Speaker 3: I'm widely recognized for like the level of loss, because
54:05
Speaker 3: again it's not just that he was like a great
54:06
Speaker 3: speaker and everything, but clearly when you're seeing him talk
54:09
Speaker 3: about the stuff in the documentary, he's very thoughtful about
54:14
Speaker 3: what he's saying. He's not just raging out against an
54:16
Speaker 3: oppressive system, Like he has a very thoughtful presentation of
54:21
Speaker 3: how to deconstruct the problems and the way that they
54:25
Speaker 3: oppress us, be it from just general capitalism, to education
54:30
Speaker 3: reform to just not being able to eat as a child. Like,
54:35
Speaker 3: he really had a lot of different plans that he
54:37
Speaker 3: wanted to enact in order to help lift people. And again,
54:42
Speaker 3: twenty one fucking years old.
54:43
Speaker 2: Man, twenty one years old, And if you watch him speak,
54:48
Speaker 2: just in this documentary, what's really clear is there was
54:52
Speaker 2: no social media then, so most Americans were not hearing
54:57
Speaker 2: Fred Hampton speak. As more Americans would have heard Fred
55:01
Speaker 2: Hampton speak, it was going to get a lot harder
55:04
Speaker 2: for the government to paint the Black Panthers as some
55:07
Speaker 2: kind of scary group that is out to kill white people.
55:11
Speaker 2: That was going to get really fucking hard as more
55:13
Speaker 2: people were actually able to hear Fred Hampton talk. So
55:18
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised the government killed him. That's what the
55:21
Speaker 2: government was doing in the sixties. It stopped since, but
55:26
Speaker 2: that's what we were doing. The American government was fucking
55:29
Speaker 2: killing civil rights leaders in the sixties. That was our bag.
55:32
Speaker 3: Also. Again, like I think both of us mentioned a
55:36
Speaker 3: couple of times, but if you are looking at like
55:39
Speaker 3: current news and you get frustrated by the way the
55:42
Speaker 3: media handles it, or by the way that like the
55:44
Speaker 3: people who are in positions to like lead activist movements
55:47
Speaker 3: and stuff kind of like half ass certain things. You're
55:52
Speaker 3: not imagining it that is actually happening. And you could
55:55
Speaker 3: just watch the way that he speaks about it in
55:58
Speaker 3: the way that the journalists that are like in just
56:01
Speaker 3: cameo stuff at the end speak to those in power
56:04
Speaker 3: to see it wasn't always that way. So yeah, you're
56:08
Speaker 3: not going crazy. Journalism has gotten worse. No, we're worse
56:13
Speaker 3: for it.
56:13
Speaker 2: I will never be a oh the media is the
56:16
Speaker 2: enemy of the people type, But the media doesn't help
56:18
Speaker 2: a lot, yeah, a lot of case this, the media
56:21
Speaker 2: does not fucking help whatsoever. And yeah, like we've covered
56:25
Speaker 2: so many things on this podcast that just would not happen. Now,
56:31
Speaker 2: the Church Committee hearings would never fucking happen. Now, I
56:34
Speaker 2: don't think Watergate would happen, Like, can you imagine right
56:38
Speaker 2: now if it came out, Oh Trump had some people
56:41
Speaker 2: break into an office and steal some documents. I think
56:44
Speaker 2: even people on the left would be like, that's pretty mine. Yeah,
56:49
Speaker 2: that's all that's all he did. Oh yeah. But also
56:53
Speaker 2: Watergate's kind of overrated. I feel like Watergate. Watergate feels
56:57
Speaker 2: like a little bit of a government initiative to be like,
57:02
Speaker 2: oh can you can you believe when the government was
57:04
Speaker 2: at our absolute worst, when we had someone break into
57:07
Speaker 2: a psychiatrist's office and steal some files. It's like, that
57:10
Speaker 2: is not when the government was at its worst.
57:13
Speaker 3: The worst thing you probably did that nightly. There's probably
57:17
Speaker 3: some shit in Cuba you tried to pull off that
57:19
Speaker 3: no one was paying attention to.
57:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you looked at the MK Ultra Have you
57:25
Speaker 2: looked at I mean even that Wormwood documentary where the
57:29
Speaker 2: whole story for most of it is oh, yeah, don't Yeah,
57:32
Speaker 2: we gave that guy too much acid and that's why
57:34
Speaker 2: he jumped out the window. Oh my god. And then
57:36
Speaker 2: you find out at the end it's like, no, he
57:39
Speaker 2: was gonna tell on us for using chemical weapons in
57:42
Speaker 2: Korea and so they had to kill him. Anytime the
57:45
Speaker 2: CIA is like I got us, you don't got him.
57:48
Speaker 2: They did something else.
57:50
Speaker 3: They just like, it's just man, if that was the
57:55
Speaker 3: worst thing that they did, it was just breaking into
57:58
Speaker 3: a hotel to steal like that, we would have been
58:01
Speaker 3: so off, so much better. If that's the worst thing
58:03
Speaker 3: the government has ever done, yeah, or that a president
58:06
Speaker 3: is ever done.
58:07
Speaker 2: No need I remind anyone the Vietnam War was happening
58:11
Speaker 2: during Watergate. I'd say that was worse. So that's our episode. Logan,
58:18
Speaker 2: thank you so much for doing the pod. I appreciate it.
58:21
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58:39
Speaker 3: That seems to be getting really harder in the past
58:41
Speaker 3: couple of weeks, but you know, yeah. Also, to quote
58:46
Speaker 3: the subject of today's episode, nothing is more important than
58:49
Speaker 3: stopping fascism because fascism will stop us all So.
58:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and that's it. Let's get the fuck out
58:56
Speaker 2: of here, Logan say goodbye bye, goodbye, everybody. We love you.
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