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Angels & Demons: How to Discern What's REALLY From God | with James Goll · Heaven & Healing Podcast

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  A heavenly messenger passed through the
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  thin veil and appeared in my bedroom.
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  >> If we know demons can visit us, why
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  wouldn't an angel be able to come visit
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  us?
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  >> We're always supposed to test the
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  spirits to see whether they be of God.
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  Angels are a form of a spirit being.
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  They just don't show up to chat. They
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  show up with an assignment. Too often in
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  the church just the word apparition
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  sounds devilish occult like I don't have
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  to persuade that group of people the
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  angels are real church people I do
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  >> you are leaning into exactly what I
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  wanted to talk to you about if I was the
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  devil I would love to convince the
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  church they don't walk in power that the
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  only place where you can find any
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  supernatural reality is in the
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  counterfeit
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  >> in the book of on. There's that one that
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  will try to go up over the wall to get
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  to God. The Lord says, "No, that is a
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  wolf. It's not the good shepherd." I
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  have gone to heaven before. It is
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  typically out of worship. When a
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  biblical trance happens, there is an
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  invitation, a calling to come up here,
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  come up higher. When it's God and it
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  happens out of a posture of worship,
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  definitely deals with the issue of will.
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  We cannot will ourselves into those
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  types of experiences. But people from
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  another source do that's astral
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  projection. Was I pushing will? No. I
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  was in pain but I was praising God and I
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  was caught up. I saw my mom and dad in
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  heaven and my mom and dad just looked
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  gorgeous.
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  >> Hi everyone. Welcome back to another
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  episode of Heaven and Healing. Today I
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  have truly the honor to welcome my guest
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  Dr. James Gaul with us. I spoke to
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  Justin Allen last night.
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  >> Oh yeah.
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  >> And he said, "Well, this was bound to
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  happen eventually because we do run in
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  the same circles." And so,
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  >> you know, Justin is someone that has
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  poured into my life tremendously.
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  >> And I know you have poured into his life
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  tremendously. And so, indirectly, I
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  thank you
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  >> for the ways that you have truly
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  impacted and influenced my walk in the
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  faith.
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  >> That's awesome.
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  >> Yeah. I I I just thank you for your time
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  and thank you for being here. Hey, I
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  just want to say that right there from
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  the very beginning, it's wonderful to
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  see the connections that the Holy Spirit
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  makes. It is intergenerational
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  and it is wonderful. the the last
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  podcast that I've done is on catching
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  every wave. And see, and right there
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  from this little short intro, it's
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  already representing different
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  generations, different waves or
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  movements of the Holy Spirit. So, I just
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  think it's fun already.
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  >> Yes. And it's already such great
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  confirmation. As I was praying before
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  you came here,
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  >> you know, you just start with kind of
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  the generic prayer. Thank you, Lord.
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  Anoint our conversation. But then you
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  feel the Lord start to move. And I was
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  like, "Thank you, Lord, for this is this
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  intergenerational connection where we
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  get to lock our I literally use the same
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  a level of then like authority. We went
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  from here. We have, you know, Yeah. And
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  I was I was just kind of feeling into
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  this this this ripple effect of
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  >> where you have been has now indirectly
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  led me to where I'm going, which is
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  going to indirectly lead other people to
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  where they're going to go.
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  >> And you know what's so incredible about
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  the internet, you know, is that
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  >> Jesus said,
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  >> "Greater works you will do." Awesome.
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  >> And think about the reach that we have
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  in this day and age. Oh, it's amazing.
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  My I was telling your husband that uh I
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  have, you know, my late wife and I have
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  four grown adult married kids. All four
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  of them are in the arts, entertainment,
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  media.
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  >> Wow.
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  >> And so, do I have a creative bent? Well,
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  I think so. But it's also gifting. And
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  it is uh study to show yourself
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  approved, a workman unto God. But
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  there's different ways that you study.
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  And so then in developing like say this
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  dimension of creativity
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  and cuz that's who this lady is. Oh my
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  goodness. And we don't really know each
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  other. But it's like can I sense it? She
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  already you already used the word I
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  feel. And I'm going like hello. That's
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  the same vocabulary because I wrote the
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  book the feeler.
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  >> Yes. Yes. you I want to talk about the
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  books that you've written because
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  >> I as a writer myself but since I was a
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  little girl I've always known I would be
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  an author before I even knew the Lord.
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  >> Wow.
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  >> And so I told you before
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  I know me too. It's so natural. I told J
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  Justin last night I was like I feel a
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  little intimidated just because you're
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  such a general in the faith but I just
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  feel so comfortable. I feel like I could
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  just tell you my life story right now.
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  >> Exactly. Already I feel like you could
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  be one of my daughters, you know.
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  >> So incredible. That's awesome. But just
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  for anyone that's not wa for that's the
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  watching that doesn't happen to know who
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  you are.
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  >> Oh sure.
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  >> Would you give us a little bit of
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  context where you came from maybe just
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  how how you came to know the Lord as I
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  understand it. You have a testimony of
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  preservation.
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  >> Yeah that's a good way of saying it.
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  >> That's something I pray over my
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  children. So
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  >> it's true. So my orientation, my
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  background is going to be different than
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  probably most of the people that you
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  have here on your particular uh podcast
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  or I think they're vlogs, you know, a
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  video blog. So um I am now 74 years old.
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  I never thought I would get old,
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  but uh so we all have our beginnings. My
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  beginning is with my mom and my dad. My
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  mother and dad had two girls. They
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  wanted a son. And so my mother was five
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  months along pregnant and she had a
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  miscarriage on July 3rd, 1951.
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  That day my mother prayed and she
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  said,"Lord,
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  if you'll give me another son, I will
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  dedicate him to Christ service." So I
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  was born exactly one year later to the
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  very date that my mom lost the little
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  boy and prayed the prayer of
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  consecration.
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  So when I tell people that Jesus is all
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  I've ever known, it's kind of hard for
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  people to grasp that. Said, "No, that
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  really can't be."
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  >> Well, there is some biblical examples. I
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  mean, how about, you know, Elizabeth,
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  John the Baptist, you know.
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  >> Wow.
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  >> I mean, here we have a witness going on
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  between Mary and Elizabeth and wow, and
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  there's a jumping even in the womb. That
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  is my kind of background. So I don't
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  know one day of my conscious awareness
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  that Jesus has not been my best friend.
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  And I trust it's it it's still that way
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  in life. You'll go through
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  many blessings, mountain tops, and
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  you'll go through intense valleys.
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  It's more about the one who's reaching
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  their hand down,
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  which is there all the time, willing and
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  available. And that moment that we reach
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  up
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  >> and we grasp hold of the hand that has
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  been waiting for us all the time. And
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  so, uh, but,
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  uh, so I grew up in rural Missouri and,
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  uh, but didn't grow up with a lot of
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  like great Bible teaching or something,
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  but I just grew up with the spirit of
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  prayer
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  >> because my mother was an intercessor
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  and uh, but I grew up just in this kind
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  of place that
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  I believed in the supernatural. I
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  believed as a kid. And so what you just
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  said that I have a testimony of
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  preservation that is an absolutely
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  excellent way of saying it. So already I
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  want to say to the moms and dads, the
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  grandparents, aunts and uncles, the
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  different ones,
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  your prayers can mark your children
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  and
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  help create a culture of a safe house
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  or create a culture where they will
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  always know
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  that he's available.
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  My four kids have gone through a lot of
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  difficulty because they've lost their
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  mom. My wife passed away 18 years ago
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  and I went through cancer three times
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  myself.
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  >> Wow.
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  >> And but got then healed after the third
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  time where it's never come back for over
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  a decade. and and and then through a lot
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  of church issues, the wonders of the
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  great moves of God, I've had the honor
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  of being a a breaker in a sense for
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  whole moves movements of the Holy Spirit
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  and and the uh prophetic movement that
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  got birthed in 1988. I was right in the
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  middle of it. And then that call upon my
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  life to be not only a prophet but this
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  odd combination of a prophet teacher
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  being brought together. It's a very
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  unusual thing. Now I'm already on the
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  map all over the map on kind of like hey
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  who are you and give us your background
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  but that is my background. And so
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  faithfulness brings increase. Be
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  faithful in the little and the Lord will
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  help you. Cuz if you're faithful in the
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  little, he will give you more.
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  >> If you're faithful in anothers, this is
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  something I've had as a guideline all my
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  all my life is I'm always going to hold
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  up someone else's hands. H
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  >> Moses had an Aaron and a her
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  holding up his hands upon the mount. And
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  as long as Moses's hands were uplifted,
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  Joshua, the next generation joining the
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  generations out in the field would be
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  successful.
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  But when Moses's hands would fall,
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  >> wow. Joshua out in the field would not
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  be having success over being a victor
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  over the enemies. So that just shows the
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  importance of holding up someone else's
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  hands
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  and walking in the stewardship. That's
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  maybe called alignment,
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  but the stewardship of
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  inheriting the promises of someone else.
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  I love this.
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  >> That's incredible.
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  >> And you are an inheritor of promises
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  that have been given in scripture and
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  given to prophets and anointed people of
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  God that have gone before you because
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  the greater works they get multiplied
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  from generation to generation to
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  generation. So frankly,
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  this is a blessing for me to be here
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  today.
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  I am like a Simeon
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  whose promise is that my eyes won't
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  close until I see.
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  Well, let's go see together.
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  >> I am so blessed. I feel like I could
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  just get out of my chair and run laps.
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  That kind of Okay. everything. So much
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  to unpack, but that what you just shared
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  just about I mean your own upbringing.
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  >> That's very encouraging to me. Not only
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  as a as a mom,
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  >> but as someone who is the first in in my
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  bloodline, in my husband's bloodline, we
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  are the first to know Christ, to be of a
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  new bloodline, of his blood.
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  >> Um
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  >> it starts somewhere.
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  >> It starts somewhere. Amen. You get to
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  change the learning curve of your entire
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  generational tree.
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  >> You get to write it over. Change it.
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  You're a change maker.
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  >> Amen.
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  >> Yep.
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  >> And people will say to me, you know, I
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  don't I don't know how much you know
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  about me, but very extremely long story
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  short.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> I came out of the occult.
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  >> Mhm.
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  >> So, my grandom died in 2014.
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  >> Okay.
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  >> I sought out a medium. Yeah. Okay.
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  >> And from there it was just like ripple
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  effect. It was like the medium. The
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  medium knew things. I connected I
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  connected with grandma.
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  >> Got the crystals, got the tarot cards,
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  got the astrology, the yoga, the I I
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  have uh had teams go to the new age
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  fairs.
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  >> Yeah. you know, and so it's like, so
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  here am I and and we're have a goldfish
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  bowl and people pull out prophecies out
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  of it or scriptures and then I would
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  teach on angels
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  >> at the the workshop and they would show
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  up.
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  >> It was fun. And then have the tarot card
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  readers over here and the crystal ball
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  readers over here and stuff like that.
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  And then I would be at a booth and and
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  sometimes they were called the gold
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  diggers because you're going out you're
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  digging out the gold in other people's
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  lives. And there was this one guy that's
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  sitting across from me and I'm going
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  like, "Oh my." I turned to the younger
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  people that were there with me and I
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  said, "Hey, uh, would it be okay if I
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  kind of like stepped to the plate right
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  now and Clark Kent can turn into a
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  Superman?" And what I mean by that is
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  you when you yield, that anointing of
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  the Holy Spirit changes everything. And
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  I just look at this young guy and the
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  Holy Spirit gave me his name and I go,
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  "You're a Valentine." His name was
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  Valentino.
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  >> Wow.
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  >> And I go, because you said Ree and and
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  all this kind of background of things.
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  And I go, "You're very spiritual." I
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  said, "I think you're 17 years old and
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  you never been to a church in your life,
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  but you're very spiritual." And and and
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  the Lord gave me like a little bit of
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  insight on some things. And then the
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  whole thing shifts and and I started we
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  started going into the father wound
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  issue because the Lord will give a
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  bridge
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  to that person's heart.
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  And so then this young man in the middle
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  of Nashville's
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  new age fair
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  gets born again right on spot. And I go
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  in here, I'm processing and I'm going
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  like, "Huh? Wait, huh? What?" And I go,
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  "Oh, what difference does it make? Let's
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  just do it." And I go, "And y'all get
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  filled, baptized in the Holy Spirit."
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  And bam, he gets whacked on. And he
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  starts just fluidly, you know, pouring
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  out in the gift of tongues and and then
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  he starts going through deliverance and
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  his arms start turning uh blue and cold.
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  and I'm leaning into this and I'm going,
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  "Huh, I've seen this stuff before." And
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  and it dealt with some occult issues.
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  Yeah.
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  >> And so I just leaned in releasing the
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  Holy Spirit
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  >> who is upon me cuz greater is he who is
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  in you and on you than is the one who is
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  in the world. And it ended up that the
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  tarot card readers right across they no
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  longer could do their job. the the
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  crystal ball gal who was authentically
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  gifted called
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  >> absolutely
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  >> and it had a long line waiting her
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  capacity shut down all of those energy
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  fields those portals closed for a moment
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  and the intrigue element came the way
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  over here and anyway Anyway, so I know I
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  just hijacked this conversation. I'm
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  okay with it, but I but I went there
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  because you talking about see your
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  background.
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  >> I don't have to persuade
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  that group of people. The angels are
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  real.
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  >> Exactly.
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  >> Church people.
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  I do.
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  >> You are leaning into exactly what I
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  wanted to talk to you about. So, I'm
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  glad that you interrupted me
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  >> because see, that's the thing with um
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  with people that come from my background
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  >> is
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  >> what I what I can even say from my
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  experience,
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  >> you know,
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  >> when when she died, right, my grand my
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  grandom, I didn't know
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> I didn't know I could find any spiritual
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  comfort or relief in the church. All I
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  ever knew was Catholicism growing up.
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  So, there there was one end of the
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  pendulum of complete just
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  >> works and
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  Yeah, I was even reflecting last night
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  on on why people tend to go that avenue.
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  As I was reading your book, The
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  Discerner, for my my book club, for my
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  community,
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  >> right?
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  >> I was I was thinking that people that go
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  into into that framework of
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  Christianity, it's almost as if they
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  >> don't necessarily believe they do have
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  access to God the way we actually have
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  it.
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  >> It's true.
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  >> So, this feels more comfortable and more
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  safe. And I've seen that with ex-new age
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  people where they'll become Catholic or
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  they'll become Orthodox or they'll fall
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  into cessationism, which is what
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  happened to me.
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  >> Okay?
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  >> Because I
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  >> I didn't realize what was happening in
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  the moment. But in hindsight, what was
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  occurring was I had like PTSD from the
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  supernatural because I had been deceived
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  >> and I had been so familiar with the
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  counterfeit that I wasn't even willing
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  to embrace the authentic.
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  >> Yeah.
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  And so I started, you know, preaching
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  and teaching right away that, oh, all
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  this stuff is demonic. You know, new age
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  is demonic, astrology is demonic, tr
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  tower is demonic, and it's all a
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  counterfeit. But then
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  >> it's almost like I got so caught up in
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  preaching all the bad news
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  >> that I I couldn't I couldn't see the
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  forest for the trees. I didn't realize
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  there was good news there. Yes, Jesus
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  saves and he saved me, but he saved me
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  for more than just going to heaven. He's
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  he saved me to bring heaven to earth,
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  right? And I I just see that as so lost.
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  And so the Lord has showed me as part of
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  what he has asked me to pioneer is a new
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  age exodus. But not just to get people
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  out of the occult, but to get them
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  actually into the kingdom and
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  demonstrating the kingdom. Because
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  >> I when you really truly
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  see the kingdom on earth as it is in
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  heaven, all the new age stuff does not
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  hold a candle to the fire of God. And it
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  makes me so sad how people Christians
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  are the most skeptical of the
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  supernatural when it belongs to the
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  Lord.
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  >> Yeah, that's often true.
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  I love church history and so I will
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  delve into often the root system
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  of a particular denomination or a
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  particular belief set. I'm actually
• 19:45
  studying on like why did dis
• 19:47
  dispensationalism,
• 19:50
  cessationism come into being and like
• 19:54
  what doors, what trauma, what happened
• 19:58
  in order to close that down so that then
• 20:02
  blinders in part were put on believers
• 20:06
  eyes that when they read the word they
• 20:10
  didn't see healing for today,
• 20:12
  >> right? They didn't see that
• 20:15
  Jesus is the same
• 20:18
  yesterday,
• 20:19
  today, and forever. And somehow when
• 20:21
  they read that in the book of Hebrews,
• 20:23
  there would be blinders on their eyes on
• 20:26
  like what you said. Yes, he forgives
• 20:29
  sin. Yes, he's purchased heaven, the
• 20:32
  way, the truth, the life, but
• 20:36
  that baptism of the Holy Spirit or the
• 20:39
  fire of God, that was then.
• 20:42
  >> Yeah.
• 20:42
  >> It's not for today.
• 20:44
  >> Yeah. So, I I love it that you are
• 20:50
  I believe that you're called to help
• 20:54
  create
• 20:56
  the path
• 20:57
  for people who have come from not only
• 21:01
  but people who have come from the new
• 21:05
  age thought to help introduce them to
• 21:09
  the authentic real.
• 21:10
  >> Yeah. And then to show them there is a
• 21:14
  safe house.
• 21:15
  >> Yes.
• 21:16
  >> You can bring them into because in the
• 21:18
  cult realm in a way it's never safe.
• 21:22
  >> Wow.
• 21:24
  It's so true.
• 21:26
  It's so true. That's incredible. I I was
• 21:30
  curious your thoughts on um and just
• 21:33
  given your experience and and how long
• 21:36
  you've walked with the Lord and the
• 21:37
  different
• 21:38
  >> the different time periods that you have
• 21:40
  witnessed like
• 21:44
  has it always been this way? Like have
• 21:47
  Christians always been afraid of the
• 21:49
  supernatural?
• 21:50
  >> Uh well
• 21:51
  >> other than in the book of Acts?
• 21:53
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, no.
• 21:56
  uh actually if we even look at
• 21:57
  Catholicism because I've studied some of
• 22:01
  the desert fathers and the Christian
• 22:03
  mystics. St. Terresa Villa is one of my
• 22:07
  heroins in the faith, the interior
• 22:10
  castle. And there's
• 22:13
  there's treasures.
• 22:15
  >> Yeah, absolutely.
• 22:16
  >> There's absolutely treasures.
• 22:19
  And so the Orthodox and the Catholic
• 22:24
  realm
• 22:26
  has a dimension of understanding.
• 22:29
  >> Yes, I agree.
• 22:30
  >> I'm going to use a a bizarre word right
• 22:33
  now, the stigmata.
• 22:35
  So, that's a controversial thing, but in
• 22:38
  a Catholic world, it's actually not.
• 22:41
  It's accepted that there could be signs
• 22:45
  >> that could appear on a person's body
• 22:49
  dealing with an identification with the
• 22:51
  crucifixion of Christ. Now, most
• 22:54
  Protestants would automatically go that
• 22:56
  can't be of God and rebuke it,
• 22:59
  >> right?
• 22:59
  >> But there's like uh I did uh one of my
• 23:04
  studies uh was on all 300 verses of
• 23:08
  angels because in the Bible and I've
• 23:12
  done it three different decades.
• 23:15
  But I also did it because
• 23:18
  my wife and I had nine straight weeks of
• 23:21
  angelic visitations from midnight to
• 23:24
  5:00 a.m. every night for nine weeks in
• 23:28
  a row.
• 23:29
  >> Wow.
• 23:30
  >> And it wasn't only angelic visitations,
• 23:32
  but it revolved a lot around that. And
• 23:36
  so I went on this study and what I found
• 23:40
  was there's certain different religious
• 23:43
  backgrounds that are stu they have a
• 23:46
  stewardship of a certain vein of
• 23:51
  supernatural truth.
• 23:53
  >> Wow.
• 23:53
  >> And when we alienate or isolate that I'm
• 23:57
  only going to learn from here. I'm going
• 24:00
  to be careful because it all needs to be
• 24:01
  grounded in the word of God and etc. But
• 24:04
  we can cut ourselves off.
• 24:07
  >> Wow.
• 24:07
  >> From some heritage. So I found in my
• 24:12
  research that like
• 24:15
  Catholics actually believe
• 24:19
  because they they will revere uh
• 24:24
  some some additional writings
• 24:27
  that uh like the book of Enoch that
• 24:30
  there's other angels that are given to
• 24:33
  us by name to where Protestants will
• 24:37
  typically go. Uh, Gabriel and Michael
• 24:41
  and yes, there was Lucifer who fell and
• 24:44
  that and but
• 24:47
  some traditions are much more
• 24:52
  uh
• 24:54
  open to the angelic realm,
• 24:58
  >> right?
• 24:58
  >> And it's not held as
• 25:02
  uh this no longer happens. And so I do
• 25:06
  find that um like say Pentecostal
• 25:10
  denominations, they have a stewardship
• 25:12
  of a certain truth,
• 25:13
  >> right?
• 25:14
  >> Do they walk in it today? They did when
• 25:16
  it got pioneered, but do they today?
• 25:20
  >> Well, maybe, maybe not. But it is their
• 25:24
  heritage. I'll just do one one other
• 25:26
  little thing that to help here is that
• 25:29
  the four square Pentecostal denomination
• 25:32
  was founded by a woman named Amy Simple
• 25:35
  McFersonson.
• 25:37
  A woman apostle.
• 25:39
  >> She moved in signs and wonders and
• 25:42
  miracles. This is like in the 1920s,
• 25:45
  a hundred years ago.
• 25:48
  And the shadow of that great woman of
• 25:51
  God is today the four square church
• 25:55
  which would be similar to like the
• 25:57
  assemblies of God or something of that
• 25:59
  nature. Well, that heritage
• 26:02
  believes the supernaturals for today.
• 26:06
  That heritage believes in women
• 26:08
  preachers. that heritage believes in
• 26:13
  miracles
• 26:15
  because the founder walked in them. So
• 26:19
  there's a lot of what we call redigging
• 26:22
  the wells.
• 26:23
  >> Yeah.
• 26:23
  >> That we can do to call forth these
• 26:29
  treasures that they're for today.
• 26:32
  >> Yeah.
• 26:33
  >> They are for today.
• 26:36
  >> Yes. And I don't think there could be
• 26:38
  any greater
• 26:41
  like if I was the devil, I would love to
• 26:43
  convince the church that they don't walk
• 26:46
  in power and that the only place where
• 26:48
  you can find any supernatural
• 26:51
  reality is in the counterfeit is in the
• 26:55
  occult which would be absent of
• 26:57
  atonement and absent of covenant and
• 26:58
  absent of eternity.
• 27:00
  >> You know, yolked to Christ.
• 27:01
  >> Absolutely. brilliantly stated,
• 27:04
  correctly stated because it's centers
• 27:08
  ultimately about the finished work of
• 27:10
  the cross of Jesus,
• 27:11
  >> right?
• 27:11
  >> And the blood that has been shed by the
• 27:16
  Lord Jesus.
• 27:17
  >> So, what I think is like really the
• 27:19
  assignment with that too, especially
• 27:21
  from people that come out of my
• 27:22
  background, which is why I love having
• 27:24
  folks like you on because frankly, you
• 27:27
  would have terrified me when I first got
• 27:28
  saved.
• 27:29
  >> I would have been like Mark in a void,
• 27:31
  you know what I mean? Um, and I say that
• 27:33
  to Justin all the time because he's
• 27:35
  someone who has
• 27:36
  >> he has really helped me just like
• 27:39
  overcome kind of what I call the new age
• 27:41
  PTSD.
• 27:42
  >> Wonderful. And so, by the way, so I know
• 27:44
  Justin Allen and he was at one point in
• 27:47
  time uh was the prophet for global
• 27:51
  awakening with Randy Clark. Well, I
• 27:53
  prophesied a lot of these beginnings to
• 27:55
  Randy Clark. I'm one of the first people
• 27:58
  that ever prophesied to Randy Clark and
• 28:01
  then helped him in his transition from
• 28:04
  the St. Louis vineyard to Pennsylvania.
• 28:07
  And the Lord spoke to me that he was
• 28:09
  going to move to where they live today
• 28:10
  and have their base there in
• 28:12
  Pennsylvania before it was ever public.
• 28:16
  And so the word that I gave all these
• 28:19
  years ago was very instrumental in Ry's
• 28:22
  life. So again, we can see this amazing,
• 28:26
  wonderful continuum.
• 28:29
  >> Yeah. Yeah. And even speaking about
• 28:31
  heritage.
• 28:31
  >> Yeah.
• 28:32
  >> I I love that theme.
• 28:33
  >> It is.
• 28:34
  >> Um but as I was saying, it's it's uh
• 28:38
  >> it seems to just happen a lot where,
• 28:41
  >> you know, the enemy has now lost the
• 28:44
  eternity of these folks who get saved.
• 28:46
  They come they come to Christ out of the
• 28:48
  occult. But now he says, "Well, if I
• 28:50
  can't have your eternity, I'm going to
• 28:52
  take your efficacy."
• 28:54
  >> Well, that's brilliant
• 28:56
  >> because obviously these people like I
• 28:58
  know in hindsight,
• 29:00
  >> you know, I was an astrologer. There's a
• 29:01
  prophetic gift that the enemy hijacked
• 29:05
  >> and I was a basically evangelist for the
• 29:08
  kingdom of darkness.
• 29:10
  >> So these people
• 29:11
  >> fascinating
• 29:12
  >> have gifts. They have genuine authentic
• 29:14
  gifts
• 29:15
  >> because you can be folks biblically
• 29:19
  you can receive a calling or a gift by
• 29:22
  hands being laid on you. You can have it
• 29:24
  happen after you've been born again. But
• 29:27
  there's references in scripture like
• 29:29
  Jeremiah. I knew you before you were
• 29:33
  formed. And so there's gifts and
• 29:36
  callings that can actually be deposited.
• 29:40
  >> Yeah. within a person when they're born.
• 29:44
  >> Yes.
• 29:45
  >> That it has to be awakened
• 29:48
  to to be born again.
• 29:51
  >> Yeah. So I see that. Exactly. And so I
• 29:54
  see people that even even people that I
• 29:57
  know for instance that got born again
• 29:59
  and now they don't believe in the
• 30:02
  prophetic and whatever but
• 30:05
  >> was a master raiki healer. So was always
• 30:08
  laying hands on people and facilitating
• 30:09
  healing. And I'm like, well, how much
• 30:11
  more would that be effective now that
• 30:13
  you are a born again believer and you
• 30:16
  would be laying hands? I fully believe
• 30:18
  this girl that I'm referring to, she
• 30:20
  would walk up to someone on in a
• 30:21
  wheelchair, place a hand, say, "Stand in
• 30:24
  Jesus name." And they would stand. But
• 30:26
  the devil said, "Well,
• 30:28
  >> I lost her eternity. I'm going to take
• 30:29
  her effectiveness and I'm going to
• 30:31
  capitalize on her wounds
• 30:33
  >> from the new age to now. You're I'm I'm
• 30:35
  going to What did you just say?
• 30:37
  >> Capitalize on her wounds.
• 30:39
  >> Yeah. On her wounds. Yes. That's I get
• 30:42
  it.
• 30:42
  >> Cuz we get so I don't know. I got so
• 30:44
  hurt.
• 30:45
  >> Okay.
• 30:45
  >> When you when you come out of that
• 30:47
  world.
• 30:48
  >> Um and this is kind of what I was saying
• 30:51
  earlier to you, your testimony.
• 30:54
  >> People are so impressed by my testimony
• 30:56
  because it's so radical. And
• 30:57
  >> you know, I was blind and now I see.
• 31:00
  >> I wish I had a testimony like you. I
• 31:01
  would be so much more effective. I'm
• 31:03
  like, "No, no." Like, to me, your
• 31:05
  testimony,
• 31:05
  >> that's amazing.
• 31:06
  >> It is the testimony of preservation
• 31:08
  because it just shows that when you just
• 31:10
  are so close to Jesus, really truly,
• 31:12
  like Psalm 91 says, tucked under the
• 31:14
  shadow of his wing, you don't go
• 31:15
  anywhere.
• 31:15
  >> Yeah.
• 31:16
  >> And
• 31:16
  >> And he keeps you.
• 31:19
  >> And in my growing up, I'm I'm doing
• 31:21
  interviews right now myself cuz I'll
• 31:24
  turn 75
• 31:26
  next year. So, we're working on a
• 31:29
  biography of my life. And so I'm doing
• 31:32
  interviews right now with someone and
• 31:35
  and so yesterday I did a two-hour
• 31:38
  interview and filming all of that,
• 31:40
  taping it. So then to help to work on my
• 31:43
  biographical sketch. So yesterday
• 31:47
  uh I went into three prayers
• 31:52
  that I had as a child.
• 31:54
  >> Wow. growing up and how those prayers
• 31:59
  have guided me
• 32:02
  all my life
• 32:04
  and I still pray them every week.
• 32:06
  >> Wow.
• 32:07
  >> And one of them is that the Lord would
• 32:09
  give me a heart of purity
• 32:13
  to keep me from the evil way.
• 32:18
  That's preservation.
• 32:20
  That prayer was given to me, I don't
• 32:23
  know, when I was 8 years old or
• 32:25
  something. When I was 10, when I was 12,
• 32:28
  when I was 16, when I'm 21 and I'm in
• 32:30
  college, when I'm going through the
• 32:33
  transitions of like trying to be a man,
• 32:40
  Lord, give me a heart of purity
• 32:43
  to keep me from the evil way. Jesus
• 32:47
  said, "Blessed are the pure in heart,
• 32:49
  for they'll see."
• 32:52
  So
• 32:54
  all of all the all these realms are
• 32:57
  amazing and wonderful. So I love and
• 33:01
  value your testimony of getting
• 33:06
  darkness to light. But I I have a little
• 33:09
  perspective that's like I think dropping
• 33:11
  into me which is like you know there
• 33:14
  could be a redemptive reason sometimes
• 33:16
  why people who come from out of a new
• 33:18
  age or a cult type background and then
• 33:21
  they get saved why it all kind of dries
• 33:24
  up for a while.
• 33:26
  >> It's because they have to go through the
• 33:29
  period of cleansing.
• 33:31
  >> Yeah.
• 33:31
  >> They have to get the contaminants. They
• 33:34
  have to have a filter put in place so
• 33:37
  that when the power surge
• 33:40
  happens again, it happens in an
• 33:44
  authentic
• 33:45
  pure stream
• 33:48
  >> instead of one that if it automatically
• 33:51
  gets shifted over because you walked in
• 33:54
  this under the the the new age and you
• 33:57
  had the knowings and you had the auroras
• 34:00
  and you could feel them and tell them
• 34:02
  and smell them and describe them
• 34:06
  and then maybe
• 34:08
  it seems as though comparatively it kind
• 34:11
  of dries up.
• 34:14
  But could it be in the wisdom ways of
• 34:16
  God? That's his preservation.
• 34:20
  >> Wow. so that you can go through
• 34:23
  a time of cleansing, a time of healing
• 34:27
  of wounds, a time of like
• 34:32
  he really does heal the brokenhearted
• 34:35
  and he sets to liberty those who are
• 34:38
  really what wait what what those who are
• 34:41
  bruised.
• 34:45
  That's me.
• 34:47
  and you identify and then when you the
• 34:51
  spot gets in away it's never been fully
• 34:54
  ever turned off. The gift and calling is
• 34:56
  all still there. But when that spot,
• 34:59
  it's just a terminology when that water
• 35:01
  flow when that
• 35:03
  it happens
• 35:05
  again
• 35:06
  >> really good.
• 35:07
  >> It's happening from out of a place of
• 35:11
  purity
• 35:13
  and so that the glory
• 35:16
  goes to God.
• 35:18
  >> Wow.
• 35:19
  >> Instead of a person who's building up
• 35:23
  their own platform.
• 35:24
  >> That's really good.
• 35:25
  >> Thank you. Thank you for sharing that
• 35:27
  because that that is my story. That is
• 35:29
  what happened to me for
• 35:31
  >> but I'm just trying to give a a
• 35:33
  redemptive perspective. Yeah, it can be
• 35:36
  because we got wrong teaching. It can be
• 35:38
  this. It could be.
• 35:39
  >> But in the wisdom ways of God, it could
• 35:43
  have been to give us the period of our
• 35:46
  own recovery, our own restoration. And
• 35:50
  then we're going to minister out of
• 35:52
  compassion
• 35:53
  instead of soulishess.
• 35:56
  >> That's so good. Thank you for sharing
• 35:58
  that. Yeah, cuz that's I mean ultimately
• 36:00
  that is
• 36:02
  >> I get so fired up about the
• 36:04
  supernatural. Um but really it is like
• 36:07
  the fact that he healed my broken heart
• 36:08
  is what saved me
• 36:10
  >> cuz I called out to him on my kitchen
• 36:12
  floor. I didn't know who Jesus was, but
• 36:14
  I wanted to
• 36:15
  >> end my life and he showed up and saved
• 36:18
  me. What what do you mean by that? He
• 36:19
  showed up and he saved you. I know that
• 36:22
  the people listening to this, they know
• 36:24
  all of that, but I don't.
• 36:24
  >> I you know, it was just it's the kind of
• 36:27
  thing where I had done all that for 10
• 36:29
  years. Like I
• 36:30
  >> I was depressed my whole life really. I
• 36:32
  had a father never knew my dad. So, um I
• 36:35
  had a mom that kind of just did
• 36:37
  everything on her own. So, that's kind
• 36:39
  of just what was modeled for me as a
• 36:40
  hyperindependence thing.
• 36:42
  >> Figure it out. And so all the
• 36:44
  depression, anxiety compounded, long
• 36:46
  story short, got into the occult after
• 36:48
  grandma died cuz I was so hungry for
• 36:50
  just I wanted to maintain a relationship
• 36:53
  with her
• 36:54
  >> in the afterlife. And it's so normalized
• 36:56
  in culture with the television shows and
• 36:59
  >> you walk into Dollar General and there's
• 37:01
  horoscopes out, you know. So
• 37:03
  >> that was just what I went to. And I it
• 37:06
  it took 10 years of that trying to heal
• 37:08
  the grief and the depression and the
• 37:10
  anxiety for me to just come to the end
• 37:12
  of myself and be like none of it is
• 37:14
  working. I am on a hamster wheel
• 37:16
  >> and I I've run out of options. There's
• 37:19
  nothing left. I don't know what else I
• 37:21
  can do. I was 27 at the time. And for
• 37:23
  me, the thought of reaching 30 and still
• 37:26
  feeling like the way I did when I was a
• 37:28
  17-year-old,
• 37:29
  >> selfharming,
• 37:31
  wanting to die, it was unfathomable for
• 37:33
  me to consider even being on earth
• 37:35
  another day.
• 37:36
  >> And just from the depth of my soul, I
• 37:38
  always use the scripture deep calls out
• 37:40
  to deep.
• 37:41
  >> I just said, "Jesus saved me."
• 37:44
  >> And I always say in those three words,
• 37:46
  he did more
• 37:47
  >> than 10 years of the counterfeit.
• 37:50
  >> Yeah. And you know, nothing happened
• 37:52
  like supernaturally in that moment. Like
• 37:53
  I didn't the sky didn't open up above me
• 37:55
  or anything. I just went to bed.
• 37:58
  >> But it was the next morning where the
• 38:00
  chatter was gone.
• 38:01
  >> Wow.
• 38:02
  >> The voices were gone.
• 38:04
  >> The pingpong match
• 38:05
  >> Wow.
• 38:06
  >> was considered over.
• 38:08
  >> Yeah.
• 38:08
  >> And I knew the only difference was uh
• 38:11
  the name I had called to
• 38:14
  >> in today's culture all the more with
• 38:18
  mental health. Yes.
• 38:20
  >> Being at a it's at a crisis
• 38:25
  and the scriptures talk about that in
• 38:29
  the end times the la the last days the
• 38:31
  end times that perilous times will come
• 38:35
  and things difficult times and and and
• 38:40
  the degree of deception that gets
• 38:43
  released the occult wars the different
• 38:46
  things of this nature
• 38:49
  It's a battle for the mind.
• 38:52
  >> Wow.
• 38:52
  >> There's a battle going on. So when we
• 38:55
  talk about spiritual warfare, there's a
• 38:58
  battle today.
• 39:01
  That is the the witchcraft realm, the
• 39:05
  the the fallen angel realm, this realm.
• 39:09
  It is really about chatter
• 39:14
  because who what you dwell upon you will
• 39:18
  become
• 39:20
  that's proverbs says that and so to hear
• 39:25
  that one of the first things that
• 39:27
  happened for you
• 39:30
  I woke up
• 39:33
  >> yeah exactly that
• 39:34
  >> and the chatter
• 39:37
  the distractions
• 39:39
  the luring.
• 39:42
  Those voices have a lure.
• 39:46
  >> That's called seduction.
• 39:48
  Voices don't only speak. Voices bring an
• 39:53
  allurement. They bring a magnetism. They
• 39:56
  bring a a a seducing element because if
• 40:00
  you go after them and you follow after
• 40:03
  them, they eventually lead somewhere. So
• 40:08
  there is all the more increasing
• 40:12
  a battle of the mind for the mind. But
• 40:17
  the good news again is that in Christ
• 40:22
  we get to put on the helmet of hope of
• 40:26
  salvation
• 40:28
  and hope and listen I I I I I fight in
• 40:32
  this area. Okay? is I have battles that
• 40:36
  I go through that I have to put on my
• 40:40
  helmet of salvation
• 40:43
  and and then it's actually called the
• 40:45
  helmet of hope of salvation and hope is
• 40:48
  the positive expectation of good and I
• 40:53
  have to put that on because then the
• 40:56
  thoughts
• 40:58
  have to go through the filter of hope
• 41:02
  and what the enemy
• 41:04
  Sins are all the thoughts that
• 41:06
  eventually are in hopelessness.
• 41:10
  They lead us into that dark place. They
• 41:13
  lead us into psychologically or the book
• 41:17
  of Song of Solomon's. It's the little
• 41:19
  foxes spoil the vine. It's called the
• 41:21
  downward spiral. And you have one
• 41:24
  chatter and you pay attention to it. And
• 41:27
  then there's another one. And then
• 41:30
  there's another one. And there's another
• 41:32
  one. are called strongholds of thinking
• 41:35
  and we are to learn. It takes time to
• 41:43
  bring every thought into captivity
• 41:48
  in Christ Jesus.
• 41:50
  But we don't want to only stop chatter.
• 41:55
  We need to replace it with the godly
• 41:58
  beliefs.
• 42:00
  With the godly beliefs. And so this is
• 42:03
  identifying the ungodly beliefs. But so
• 42:06
  it isn't only we bring those things into
• 42:10
  captivity in Christ Jesus, but now we
• 42:13
  have to build up ourselves.
• 42:17
  >> We store the word of God up within our
• 42:22
  heart
• 42:23
  and then within our soul. And we pray
• 42:27
  the word. We read the word. We meditate
• 42:30
  the word. We mutter the word. We say it
• 42:33
  out loud to ourselves. Greater is he who
• 42:36
  is in me than he who is in the world.
• 42:38
  Say that sounds like you're a preacher.
• 42:40
  Well, be one. Preach to yourself.
• 42:47
  Greater is he
• 42:49
  who is in me
• 42:52
  than he who was in the world. If we get
• 42:54
  that stick of dynamite down right there,
• 42:57
  we can blow up realms. I'm just using
• 43:01
  terminology. We No, it's not just using
• 43:03
  terminology.
• 43:06
  >> Words like realm doesn't trigger me
• 43:08
  anymore. It's okay.
• 43:09
  >> Yeah. Yeah. I was trying I've started
• 43:12
  there. See? And so, but the word of God
• 43:17
  is explosive. And we've got to not only
• 43:21
  get the chatter to stop, we've got to
• 43:24
  learn to meditate upon whatsoever is
• 43:28
  good, whatsoever is lovely, whatsoever,
• 43:32
  this is Philippians chapter three,
• 43:34
  whatsoever of a good report, think on
• 43:38
  these things. But you can't do that
• 43:41
  until you silence the chatter and then
• 43:44
  you put get the input, the right data,
• 43:49
  the meditation on the word of God.
• 43:51
  >> Yeah. He's been teaching me a lot about
• 43:53
  that lately. A lot about that. And I I I
• 43:57
  actually love how
• 44:00
  ev so every single thing that I
• 44:04
  experienced or applied or practiced or
• 44:06
  did in the occult there truly is an
• 44:10
  authentic including the practice of like
• 44:12
  mind renewal.
• 44:13
  >> Yeah. Absolutely.
• 44:14
  >> Because
• 44:15
  >> that's right.
• 44:16
  >> You know, I even went so long after I
• 44:18
  was born again believing that
• 44:22
  speaking life and death is new age. You
• 44:26
  know, like it's not affirmations are
• 44:27
  new. It's not
• 44:29
  >> the idea of like manifestation is new.
• 44:31
  It's not.
• 44:32
  >> It's not.
• 44:33
  >> These are all kingdom principles that
• 44:34
  have been hijacked.
• 44:35
  >> That's the enemy. You say hijack that
• 44:38
  the enemy tried to make a carbon copy
• 44:40
  of. Yes. That's an old term, but he
• 44:42
  tried to make an imitation
• 44:45
  >> counterfeit of.
• 44:46
  >> Yeah. He's been he's been actually
• 44:48
  redeeming so much for me lately,
• 44:50
  including and and more in the we'll use
• 44:52
  the word realm even in more in the
• 44:54
  prophetic realm. Um,
• 44:55
  >> yes.
• 44:56
  >> I even had an experience with one of my
• 44:58
  last interviews months back where I was
• 45:00
  sharing this same notion how I had I had
• 45:04
  a number when I was in the occult that I
• 45:06
  used to see all the time
• 45:07
  >> and when I got saved
• 45:09
  >> interesting.
• 45:09
  >> I asked I said I don't want to see it
• 45:11
  anymore. Please don't let me see it
• 45:12
  anymore. I stopped seeing it
• 45:14
  >> within the last year.
• 45:15
  >> Does the number 11 like ring a bell with
• 45:18
  you?
• 45:18
  >> It's 41.
• 45:19
  >> It's 41 for you.
• 45:20
  >> So, but I do see 11s. It's usually like
• 45:24
  1411 is like specifically like the
• 45:26
  totality.
• 45:27
  >> 1 14 But see that's 11.
• 45:30
  >> Yeah,
• 45:30
  >> there's an 11 there. I thought there was
• 45:31
  an 11 in there. Yeah, keep going.
• 45:33
  >> But I asked him I didn't want to see it
• 45:35
  anymore.
• 45:35
  >> Uhhuh.
• 45:36
  >> And um
• 45:37
  >> because you know it So 1941 is the year
• 45:40
  my grandmother was born which which I
• 45:43
  didn't know.
• 45:44
  >> Yeah.
• 45:44
  >> When I when I started seeing it.
• 45:46
  >> Fascinating.
• 45:47
  >> So I always associated that with her
• 45:49
  spirit guide whatever. And so
• 45:51
  >> I stopped seeing it in the last year.
• 45:52
  It's just all of a sudden I'm seeing it.
• 45:54
  I'm seeing it. I'm seeing it. I'm seeing
• 45:55
  it. And when I even brought this up in
• 45:57
  the last interview that I did,
• 45:59
  >> my husband had to stop rolling. He said,
• 46:02
  "As soon as you mentioned the number, it
• 46:04
  was at the 41 mark of our interview."
• 46:06
  >> Amazing.
• 46:06
  >> So he's really like he's just
• 46:09
  >> bringing everything, redeeming
• 46:11
  everything. And I'm not
• 46:13
  >> it's it's crazy like the things that I
• 46:15
  realized I was afraid. I'm not scared of
• 46:16
  a number anymore.
• 46:17
  >> No. So numbers. Okay. Like numbers
• 46:19
  belong to God too.
• 46:21
  >> My number. You say your number? What do
• 46:23
  you mean? I mean there's a special way,
• 46:27
  a unique special way that the Holy
• 46:30
  Spirit will speak to you. It's not your
• 46:33
  number. It's God's number. But it's God
• 46:36
  gifts. But he gives them to us a number.
• 46:39
  Mine's 37. And it's just like, what do
• 46:42
  you mean? That sounds like magic. No, it
• 46:47
  can be. It's not with me. The number 37.
• 46:50
  >> That's good.
• 46:51
  >> For me, it's scripture.
• 46:53
  >> It's scripture.
• 46:56
  >> 37.
• 46:57
  I I I I The number 37
• 47:02
  speaks to me in a special way. Ezekiel
• 47:06
  37, the valley of dry bones.
• 47:10
  And he caused me to pass by them all
• 47:12
  around. And behold, there were very many
• 47:14
  in the open valley. And indeed they were
• 47:16
  very dry. Ezekiel 37:es
• 47:20
  1 through
• 47:22
  uh 14 is my it's become like one of my
• 47:26
  major life messages. Teach people how to
• 47:29
  speak to the broken fragmented
• 47:31
  structures of life. Prophesy to the dry
• 47:34
  bones. Oh son of man. Prophesy to the
• 47:38
  dry bones. Prophesy to the breath.
• 47:41
  People go, "You're next, James G. Who
• 47:44
  are you? Are you some weird m? No, I'm
• 47:48
  doing what the Bible says here in
• 47:50
  Ezekiel 37. It says, "Prophesy to the
• 47:54
  wind."
• 47:56
  Huh? What are you doing? Climate control
• 47:59
  now. No,
• 48:02
  but it says speak,
• 48:06
  prophesy, send an invitation,
• 48:11
  breath of God.
• 48:14
  come.
• 48:16
  So numbers, my wife's was number 29. She
• 48:22
  would have dream after dream after dream
• 48:25
  about the number 29. So we did a search.
• 48:29
  We went through the Bible together. We
• 48:33
  prayed through the word of God. We found
• 48:35
  Psalm 29. How the voice of the Lord
• 48:39
  thunders.
• 48:41
  The voice of the Lord causes the deer to
• 48:44
  calave. My wife and I were barren. We
• 48:47
  could not have children. Medically,
• 48:50
  biologically, it was impossible for us
• 48:53
  to have children. But we took Psalm 29
• 48:58
  and it says, "And the voice of the Lord
• 49:00
  the dear will bring forth." So, we just
• 49:04
  we took that and we would pray Psalm 29.
• 49:08
  I would pray uh first Peter I think it
• 49:11
  is might have been second Peter uh
• 49:13
  chapter 2 verse 9 you are a a a royal
• 49:16
  priesthood a holy nation uh set apart
• 49:20
  unto God we would take these verses
• 49:24
  >> they became hers but they became mine
• 49:27
  >> and my 37 it's in a Revelations 3:7 I'll
• 49:32
  give you the key of David it's not only
• 49:35
  Isaiah 22:22 a lot of people get that
• 49:39
  number 22, but it's also in Revelations
• 49:42
  3:7. So, the Lord's put me on this
• 49:45
  journey
• 49:47
  that you search
• 49:50
  a king,
• 49:52
  a king will search out a matter.
• 49:56
  We are called to be kings
• 49:59
  and rulers and we are given a
• 50:02
  stewardship
• 50:03
  of incredible great treasures. But the
• 50:07
  reality is you have to go search this
• 50:10
  thing out. You got to go study to show
• 50:14
  yourself approved. A workman, a work
• 50:17
  woman for God. So numbers. Okay. So you
• 50:21
  just Okay. The little bit that you just
• 50:23
  went
• 50:24
  >> I used to freak out about numbers, but I
• 50:27
  don't now.
• 50:29
  And I'm just want to say this for
• 50:32
  prophetic people.
• 50:37
  What I I just a month ago, I was in
• 50:40
  another city and
• 50:43
  the voice of the Lord came to me
• 50:47
  and he spoke to me through numbers and
• 50:51
  he said, uh, and I woke up from a dream
• 50:54
  at 4, I think it was 4:18 in the
• 50:57
  morning. I always pay attention to what
• 51:00
  when I wake up, Allison, what does the
• 51:02
  clock say? because that number is often
• 51:06
  a reference to a scripture.
• 51:09
  So I I I wake up at 4:18 and I go, "Oh."
• 51:14
  And the voice of the Lord came to me and
• 51:16
  said, "It's time for Luke 4:18."
• 51:19
  >> Wow.
• 51:20
  >> So then I turned to it and that is about
• 51:24
  Jesus.
• 51:25
  They're quoting from out of the book of
• 51:27
  Isaiah that the sovereign spirit of the
• 51:30
  Lord is upon me. He has anointed me to
• 51:35
  preach the gospel. He's anointed me to
• 51:38
  to heal the brokenhearted
• 51:41
  that I had just two months ago in the
• 51:44
  middle of the night. Wake up 4:18, but
• 51:48
  it was all contextualized
• 51:51
  around it's Luke 4:18.
• 51:55
  >> I'll need to start paying attention
• 51:57
  because I have a four-month-old, so I'm
• 51:58
  up a lot in the middle of the night.
• 52:00
  >> No, no. Yeah. Yeah, I get that one. It's
• 52:03
  just another page of discovery.
• 52:06
  >> Yes,
• 52:06
  >> there was always
• 52:08
  new classes
• 52:11
  that will open up to be enrolled in in
• 52:15
  the school of the Holy Spirit. There
• 52:18
  always is. I feel like I'm in another
• 52:21
  one.
• 52:23
  Yeah. And uh there always is. If you are
• 52:28
  hungry,
• 52:30
  blessed are those who hunger and thirst.
• 52:34
  They will be constant
• 52:37
  learners.
• 52:38
  Constant learners.
• 52:40
  >> Yeah. That's it's beautiful because I
• 52:42
  think um
• 52:44
  like if your Christianity is boring, you
• 52:46
  might not be doing it right.
• 52:48
  >> Mhm. And and it's been it's been also
• 52:52
  very redeeming
• 52:54
  >> to recognize in hindsight.
• 52:57
  >> Yeah.
• 52:57
  >> You know, and it's also helped me have
• 53:00
  more compassion not only for people that
• 53:02
  are still in the occult, but also more
• 53:03
  compassion for who I was that
• 53:06
  >> I wasn't, you know, I was accessing
• 53:10
  things illegally and unrighteously and
• 53:12
  absent of the Holy Spirit. So, yeah, I
• 53:14
  was wrong.
• 53:15
  >> Yes.
• 53:16
  But the hunger and the thirst was not
• 53:18
  wrong.
• 53:19
  >> That was not wrong. You were born with
• 53:21
  that.
• 53:22
  >> Yeah.
• 53:23
  >> Within every person,
• 53:27
  no matter what stage of life,
• 53:31
  there is still in a way a vacuum in here
• 53:35
  that is aching, longing to be filled.
• 53:40
  >> I could say that differently and maybe
• 53:44
  better. Okay. But there is this at least
• 53:48
  there is a constant longing. There's an
• 53:51
  earnest longing. I want to know you.
• 53:56
  I want to know your ways. I want to know
• 53:59
  your word. I want to know your will. And
• 54:04
  then when you start going in
• 54:06
  specifically more, let's say into the
• 54:08
  place of prayer, you're going to
• 54:10
  eventually reach a place that your
• 54:13
  skills, your knowledge, your background,
• 54:16
  and your history is only going to take
• 54:18
  you so far. Even if it's the best, it's
• 54:22
  only going to take you so far. And then
• 54:24
  you're going to hit a ceiling that is
• 54:27
  like, I don't know what to do anymore. I
• 54:30
  just like I'm like I I feel like I'm
• 54:33
  doing everything I can that I know. And
• 54:36
  those moments
• 54:39
  is when there could become a
• 54:43
  breakthrough.
• 54:46
  And when and my context on this right
• 54:48
  now is trying to be of the spirit of
• 54:49
  prayer that Romans 8 that you do not
• 54:54
  know how to pray as you ought. you
• 54:58
  should. But the Holy Spirit who searches
• 55:03
  the depths of the heart of God and the
• 55:05
  heart of man will pray through you.
• 55:10
  Huh? Holy Spirit prays. He will partner
• 55:15
  with you
• 55:16
  >> and even says with size and groans too
• 55:18
  deep for utterance. And so there is a
• 55:22
  ceilings
• 55:23
  that we will hit, I hit that are
• 55:27
  actually themselves also
• 55:30
  invitations.
• 55:31
  M
• 55:32
  >> they're invitations
• 55:36
  that you could reach further into the
• 55:39
  heart of God and by grace again take
• 55:44
  hold of that hand that's already
• 55:47
  reaching down to you
• 55:50
  and in this dimension and then a realm
• 55:55
  of Holy Spirit prayer in you and through
• 55:59
  you gets birthed.
• 56:02
  and comes into being. And then you
• 56:05
  become a a birther for your family.
• 56:10
  You become a birther to break the barren
• 56:14
  curse and you become a birther to create
• 56:19
  a new stream of life in the earth.
• 56:22
  >> That's so good.
• 56:25
  Gosh, how do I follow up with that? I
• 56:28
  Okay, so let me let me try and um
• 56:31
  >> because I know I know that obviously a
• 56:34
  lot of people that watch me, not
• 56:36
  everybody, but a lot of people that
• 56:37
  watch the show have come from my
• 56:39
  background and they
• 56:41
  >> they they can relate to it in that
• 56:43
  sense. And so
• 56:45
  >> yeah,
• 56:45
  >> we do get the people that get skeptical
• 56:49
  when as they start to see me grow within
• 56:52
  okay
• 56:52
  >> the supernatural because really what's
• 56:54
  happening is not not that I'm like
• 56:56
  getting more Woo. Like it's actually
• 56:59
  what's been happening is I've been
• 57:00
  getting closer to God. I've been getting
• 57:02
  closer to the heart of Jesus.
• 57:05
  >> So this stuff is is as a byproduct
• 57:10
  following because the signs and wonders
• 57:12
  follow those who believe, right? That's
• 57:14
  what the word says.
• 57:15
  >> So it's not that I'm like trying to go
• 57:18
  back to the new age ever. It's that I'm
• 57:21
  getting closer to the heart of the
• 57:22
  father. And so the kingdom is revealing
• 57:25
  itself. And so I wanted to ask you
• 57:27
  because I I did mention to you I'm we're
• 57:29
  reading the discerner in in my community
• 57:31
  right now.
• 57:32
  >> Okay.
• 57:33
  >> And I love it that you have a community.
• 57:35
  >> Yes.
• 57:35
  >> Because this isn't only then about your
• 57:39
  development, right?
• 57:40
  >> It's about let's do this together.
• 57:43
  >> And it's called Lost and Found because
• 57:45
  that's all our story, right?
• 57:46
  >> That's awesome. I love that.
• 57:48
  >> Like a little toy box. So we we used my
• 57:50
  daughter my daughter has a little lambie
• 57:52
  stuffy that's like her little she just
• 57:55
  carries it everywhere
• 57:56
  >> and so I wanted lambie to be the
• 57:59
  >> the mascot of because we're all the
• 58:01
  little lamb that you know Jesus comes to
• 58:03
  find. So anyway that's a whole other
• 58:04
  thing but anyway so we're reading this
• 58:06
  and something that I wanted to
• 58:08
  >> because not everyone that's in it is an
• 58:10
  ex newager but a lot of them are.
• 58:12
  >> And so we just kind of went through
• 58:15
  suspicion versus discernment as our
• 58:17
  first class. Because a lot of the time
• 58:20
  we get like people watching this are
• 58:22
  going to say, "Oh, I don't know about
• 58:24
  this guy. There's a check. There's a
• 58:25
  check in my spirit. There's a red flag
• 58:27
  about him. He's talking about numbers.
• 58:30
  He's talking about angelic encounters
• 58:31
  and all XYZ." So,
• 58:34
  >> and I didn't have to
• 58:36
  >> go after the thing on numbers. I could
• 58:38
  have been in a way more a little more
• 58:40
  safe.
• 58:41
  >> I'm glad you did.
• 58:42
  >> And and but it was because I'm following
• 58:45
  I'm trying to follow a lead. Yeah.
• 58:48
  >> And so you went and numbers are getting
• 58:50
  like I'm using the word redeemed.
• 58:52
  They're getting like I used to be say no
• 58:55
  but now
• 58:57
  yeah let's see what the Lord wants to
• 58:59
  do. And so having experience there you
• 59:03
  are helping open the door.
• 59:05
  >> There's even something else I want to
• 59:06
  bring up that I keep feeling
• 59:08
  >> which is a little scary to bring up but
• 59:10
  I am going to get there. But let me get
• 59:11
  back to this question first. Let me ask
• 59:13
  you
• 59:15
  how how as someone who is just so
• 59:17
  experienced within discernment and the
• 59:19
  prophetic and and the supernatural and
• 59:22
  has a testimony of preservation given
• 59:24
  all these credentials. How do we discern
• 59:29
  >> an encounter from the Lord, an encounter
• 59:31
  from God? That's your ministry versus an
• 59:34
  encounter with a counterfeit.
• 59:37
  >> Yeah. So in my different writings I have
• 59:43
  uh taught in different places like nine
• 59:47
  test
• 59:49
  biblical test
• 59:51
  whether a revelation and we could shift
• 59:54
  the term there whether the experience
• 59:57
  the encounter is of God or is it a
• 1:00:01
  counterfeit.
• 1:00:03
  And so like even in my book, the law
• 1:00:06
  start of practicing his presence, I go
• 1:00:08
  through new age
• 1:00:12
  >> quietism, new age thought versus
• 1:00:16
  Christian meditative prayer
• 1:00:19
  >> and I draw the contrast
• 1:00:22
  there for that area in that particular
• 1:00:26
  set of materials. But I will bring in
• 1:00:30
  uh I did it in the prophet book and I
• 1:00:33
  did it in the discerner and I done it in
• 1:00:36
  a couple of others because it's so
• 1:00:38
  needed. People need to learn
• 1:00:43
  what's our test. Sometimes
• 1:00:48
  we become
• 1:00:50
  too uncertain
• 1:00:52
  and what do you mean we're going to test
• 1:00:55
  this? You don't want to test the Holy
• 1:00:57
  Spirit. See, there can be a wrong
• 1:01:00
  response there. No.
• 1:01:03
  The Bible says if this is of him, he
• 1:01:08
  will release a testimony
• 1:01:11
  of two and three witnesses. That's only
• 1:01:14
  one of my nine points. How do you judge
• 1:01:17
  revelation? How do you move in
• 1:01:20
  discernment? Well, if it is really going
• 1:01:23
  to be of the Holy Spirit, you can tell
• 1:01:27
  the Father, you can say, "Lord, I don't
• 1:01:29
  know right now." You know, that's what I
• 1:01:32
  do. I don't Boy, this is going to be a
• 1:01:36
  little risky. I don't receive every word
• 1:01:39
  that people give me.
• 1:01:40
  >> Amen.
• 1:01:41
  >> I I I I don't I can't afford to. I don't
• 1:01:45
  know what their where they're coming
• 1:01:47
  from. I don't know their backgrounds. I
• 1:01:50
  don't know their soulish desires mixed
• 1:01:53
  in and they're going to tell me who's my
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  next wife or something. That was risky
• 1:01:58
  for me to do that kind of thing. I hope
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  you're I'm just trying to be real.
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  I don't
• 1:02:06
  immediately receive every word. I have
• 1:02:10
  what I call a spiritual file cabinet.
• 1:02:14
  And I have a file in here called
• 1:02:16
  pending.
• 1:02:17
  >> Wow. I'm not saying sometimes yes and no
• 1:02:21
  at the moment. I'm going to have I'm
• 1:02:24
  going to I'm going to receive the
• 1:02:26
  encounter. I'm not saying yes or no. I'm
• 1:02:29
  putting it in a file cabinet
• 1:02:32
  and I'm asking God if this is of you,
• 1:02:35
  you word says you're going to confirm
• 1:02:37
  it. So if this is of you, I'm a little
• 1:02:40
  uncertain right now. Maybe it's a timing
• 1:02:43
  issue and I'm not ready to receive this
• 1:02:46
  word. Maybe it's because I've got that
• 1:02:49
  angst within me.
• 1:02:52
  Because it might sound right, but it's
• 1:02:54
  not right. And there's something inside
• 1:02:56
  me that's going like the witness of the
• 1:02:59
  spirit. It's going like, uh-uh, no, no.
• 1:03:04
  But it could also be it's a wisdom
• 1:03:07
  timing
• 1:03:09
  of a matter. So I'll take words and
• 1:03:12
  experiences and I don't necessarily say
• 1:03:15
  yes or no at the moment and I put them
• 1:03:18
  in a
• 1:03:18
  >> really good
• 1:03:19
  >> file cabinet or called pending and there
• 1:03:24
  I'm asking God if this is of you that
• 1:03:27
  sounds like unbelief James what you talk
• 1:03:29
  no God loves it
• 1:03:32
  >> if you are going to step to the plate
• 1:03:35
  with biblical qualifications and Say,
• 1:03:40
  if this is you, confirm it. How about
• 1:03:44
  this one? Let's make it a little more
• 1:03:46
  real here. If this is of you, would you
• 1:03:49
  speak it again?
• 1:03:51
  >> Wow.
• 1:03:52
  >> And when he speaks it again, we have to
• 1:03:54
  realize
• 1:03:56
  there's multiple ways that he could
• 1:03:58
  release that voice
• 1:04:01
  over here called pending because there
• 1:04:04
  might be a timing of the matter and it's
• 1:04:06
  not for right now.
• 1:04:08
  But that word is supposed to be released
• 1:04:11
  to you and it starts to unsettle you in
• 1:04:16
  a right way because certain things have
• 1:04:19
  to get undone
• 1:04:21
  before you will be receptive to what you
• 1:04:24
  do not yet know. Let's say it's a
• 1:04:26
  geographical move of something that
• 1:04:29
  nature. And so I will always ask God to
• 1:04:34
  confirm his word. I will ask for the
• 1:04:36
  witness of the spirit. I I bring it. One
• 1:04:40
  of them that's harder. It takes time is
• 1:04:45
  does the fruit the fruit is of the fruit
• 1:04:48
  of the spirit.
• 1:04:50
  >> So
• 1:04:51
  >> yes.
• 1:04:52
  >> And in in the Psalms it says, I will
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  speak peace to my saints, the godly
• 1:04:59
  ones, and they will know what the Lord
• 1:05:02
  their God says. So is peace the umpire
• 1:05:08
  >> of your heart?
• 1:05:10
  Peace in in baseball terminology in
• 1:05:14
  sports, you you have a pitcher, you have
• 1:05:16
  a catcher, you have the person at the
• 1:05:18
  plate, but you also have an umpire. And
• 1:05:21
  the umpire
• 1:05:23
  behind the catcher is the one who's
• 1:05:25
  going to determine and say, "That's a
• 1:05:29
  ball. Don't strike at it."
• 1:05:31
  >> Wow.
• 1:05:31
  >> That one is a strike, buddy. You missed
• 1:05:34
  it. But guess what? You got another
• 1:05:36
  There's There There's another pitch
• 1:05:37
  coming.
• 1:05:41
  This one's it. My knower knows.
• 1:05:44
  This one's it. Faith lights up on the
• 1:05:48
  inside of you. Authority lights up on
• 1:05:50
  the inside of you. Your knower knows and
• 1:05:52
  goes this this. Yes. And there's a lot
• 1:05:56
  of different tests, but that gives you a
• 1:05:58
  little smorgus board, you know.
• 1:06:01
  >> Yeah. Absolutely it does. Wow.
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  >> Folks, don't be afraid
• 1:06:06
  to let someone else also into your life
• 1:06:10
  >> to help be a coach.
• 1:06:12
  >> Very important
• 1:06:13
  >> to help be a coach. I've had coaches.
• 1:06:17
  >> I didn't learn all of this just in my
• 1:06:20
  own cry out to Yeah, I cried out to God
• 1:06:23
  and God answered that in different ways.
• 1:06:27
  And there was there's a man today named
• 1:06:29
  Mahashavda.
• 1:06:31
  Masabda.
• 1:06:33
  He's around 80 or more than 80 now, but
• 1:06:37
  he has gone on two 40-day fasts every
• 1:06:40
  year. He has seen every miracle of the
• 1:06:44
  New Testament happen in his life.
• 1:06:47
  >> He is a man of prayer and fasting and
• 1:06:50
  seeking the Lord. And so I got to carry
• 1:06:53
  his attach case. I got to carry his
• 1:06:57
  coffee mug. I literally just read about
• 1:07:00
  that like last night.
• 1:07:00
  >> Okay. It is in there
• 1:07:02
  >> when you change the shoes.
• 1:07:03
  >> Yes.
• 1:07:03
  >> Yeah. At 2:00 in the morning.
• 1:07:05
  >> Yeah.
• 1:07:06
  >> Praying for all these lines of people in
• 1:07:09
  in Prague when communism had lifted and
• 1:07:13
  he's praying for everybody.
• 1:07:15
  I went back to the hotel
• 1:07:18
  and I got him a pair of tennis shoes to
• 1:07:22
  put on instead of his dress shoes. And I
• 1:07:24
  brought him something to drink.
• 1:07:29
  Sounds a little like if you give a cup
• 1:07:32
  of water
• 1:07:34
  in the name of a prophet, you'll receive
• 1:07:37
  a prophet's reward.
• 1:07:39
  >> Wow.
• 1:07:40
  >> Or I give you give. So increase this.
• 1:07:46
  I've gotten off into something here, but
• 1:07:50
  always
• 1:07:51
  welcome
• 1:07:53
  other people.
• 1:07:56
  Coaches,
• 1:07:57
  coaches for your team,
• 1:08:00
  >> coaches
• 1:08:02
  right now. I I see kind of the pictures.
• 1:08:06
  Welcome coaches into the team.
• 1:08:09
  They might be church history coaches.
• 1:08:14
  They might be
• 1:08:17
  a mother in the faith
• 1:08:21
  that the Lord brings
• 1:08:24
  because you needed this timing.
• 1:08:27
  >> Yeah.
• 1:08:27
  >> And the God brings a coach.
• 1:08:33
  The coach might help coach you through
• 1:08:35
  getting up in the middle of the night,
• 1:08:37
  >> right?
• 1:08:38
  >> It's going to be okay. You're going to
• 1:08:40
  make it. But a coach has been where you
• 1:08:44
  have been. And a coach can help you
• 1:08:51
  get through the valleys
• 1:08:54
  and into the next green field.
• 1:08:58
  >> Good. I think I think that's a problem.
• 1:09:01
  I mean, you you speak into it so well
• 1:09:04
  without, I think, even necessarily
• 1:09:06
  realizing kind of the the pitfalls that
• 1:09:10
  people in the occult tend to fall into.
• 1:09:11
  And that is
• 1:09:12
  >> like Lone Ranger Christianity is one of
• 1:09:14
  them.
• 1:09:14
  >> Yeah, it is.
• 1:09:15
  >> Because it's just
• 1:09:18
  like more trauma from having all these
• 1:09:21
  gurus or whatever. And sometimes what
• 1:09:24
  happens is
• 1:09:25
  >> the whole like I'm following my heart
• 1:09:28
  now becomes like well the Lord told me
• 1:09:30
  the Lord told me. So it can fall into
• 1:09:32
  that camp too where it's very true.
• 1:09:34
  >> It's now you can't be corrected because
• 1:09:36
  you're just like more spiritual than
• 1:09:37
  everybody else.
• 1:09:38
  >> Often a prophetic gift
• 1:09:41
  >> it it the gifts are always given to
• 1:09:43
  imperfect people. There's no perfect
• 1:09:45
  person.
• 1:09:46
  >> So our motivations going to get skewed
• 1:09:48
  at different times or different issues.
• 1:09:52
  But
• 1:09:54
  I I I feel a little
• 1:09:58
  um
• 1:09:59
  safety measure or something myself right
• 1:10:02
  now just to make sure that I'm that this
• 1:10:05
  is uh Excuse me guys. I
• 1:10:09
  >> your water.
• 1:10:10
  >> Yeah. that uh
• 1:10:15
  I think I have got it right now that I
• 1:10:19
  need to go back to Psalm 23 which I
• 1:10:22
  didn't say Psalm 23 but my meditation
• 1:10:26
  was in Psalm 23
• 1:10:29
  because
• 1:10:32
  when the Lord is your shepherd
• 1:10:38
  he will lead you
• 1:10:41
  to green pastures. And it says, "And he
• 1:10:45
  and he'll make me lie down."
• 1:10:48
  >> Really? He's going to do what?
• 1:10:51
  Sometimes we run so hard.
• 1:10:54
  >> Well,
• 1:10:56
  >> or life's just hectic. But it says,
• 1:11:00
  "When the Lord is my shepherd, I shall
• 1:11:02
  not want. He makes me lie down
• 1:11:07
  in green pastures. He leads me beside
• 1:11:11
  the quiet stream
• 1:11:14
  and he heals my soul.
• 1:11:18
  So there's times in this journey that we
• 1:11:22
  need the coaches. We need coaches all
• 1:11:25
  the time
• 1:11:28
  who will help.
• 1:11:30
  And Jesus is the great coach, the great
• 1:11:33
  shepherd of the sheep.
• 1:11:36
  And sometimes we're going to go into a
• 1:11:38
  time,
• 1:11:40
  it feels like time out.
• 1:11:44
  That's okay because we're going to lie
• 1:11:46
  down
• 1:11:48
  for a little bit. We're going to learn
• 1:11:51
  rest. And faith works through rest.
• 1:11:55
  We're going to learn.
• 1:12:00
  And he's going to lead me beside in this
• 1:12:03
  situation, not the resting stream. But
• 1:12:06
  there is one
• 1:12:08
  >> but besides the quiet stream.
• 1:12:12
  And then after we go through that in
• 1:12:15
  Psalm 23, it talks about
• 1:12:20
  and lo
• 1:12:22
  I go through the valley of the shadow of
• 1:12:25
  death.
• 1:12:28
  Part of the problem is we often sit down
• 1:12:31
  in the valleys.
• 1:12:32
  >> Wow.
• 1:12:34
  And we want to camp out in the valleys
• 1:12:37
  and we get lonely in the valleys and we
• 1:12:40
  go back into that melancholy
• 1:12:43
  unhealthy emotional place of like nobody
• 1:12:46
  understands.
• 1:12:48
  Uh it's okay. It's I'm just going to
• 1:12:52
  camp out right here.
• 1:12:53
  >> And we forget to put on that helmet of
• 1:12:55
  salvation of hope and there come the
• 1:12:57
  darts of hopelessness. and we
• 1:13:00
  are forgetting about our coaches
• 1:13:03
  >> m
• 1:13:04
  >> and we
• 1:13:06
  settle in and we might sit down in the
• 1:13:10
  valley
• 1:13:11
  >> of the shadow of death but what it says
• 1:13:14
  is
• 1:13:16
  that he is with us though I pass through
• 1:13:21
  the valley
• 1:13:23
  >> so I know I kind of got off here for a
• 1:13:26
  little bit but
• 1:13:27
  >> but I I feel like I have a word of
• 1:13:29
  wisdom for some.
• 1:13:33
  If you can't run, it's okay.
• 1:13:37
  Walk.
• 1:13:39
  We are never told to run in the spirit.
• 1:13:43
  We're told to walk in the spirit. That's
• 1:13:47
  a different pacing.
• 1:13:51
  Walk.
• 1:13:54
  But if you can't walk,
• 1:13:59
  at least crawl.
• 1:14:02
  At least crawl.
• 1:14:05
  Don't just sit there
• 1:14:09
  and that dark place. Reach out, cry out.
• 1:14:15
  God will use that and and you will get
• 1:14:20
  treasures out of darkness. But walk
• 1:14:25
  through, crawl through if you have to
• 1:14:27
  through the valley and on the other side
• 1:14:31
  there is another mountain top.
• 1:14:35
  >> Valleys
• 1:14:39
  are in existence because otherwise it's
• 1:14:41
  all level playing field all the time and
• 1:14:44
  that is not the way life works.
• 1:14:46
  >> Yes,
• 1:14:47
  >> life works through peaks and valleys.
• 1:14:50
  had a friend say, you know, the glory to
• 1:14:54
  glory in between that is gory to gory.
• 1:14:57
  >> They might have got that for me.
• 1:14:58
  >> Maybe she did. It wouldn't surprise me.
• 1:15:00
  >> Yeah.
• 1:15:03
  >> That's really
• 1:15:03
  >> Yeah. What would you have that you would
• 1:15:06
  like for me to try to touch and maybe
• 1:15:08
  kind of like, you know, special for this
• 1:15:12
  time?
• 1:15:13
  >> Me personally.
• 1:15:14
  >> Yeah. What would you like for me to
• 1:15:16
  >> what you just shared? I mean, that was a
• 1:15:17
  word of wisdom even for me.
• 1:15:18
  >> Good. But
• 1:15:19
  >> right,
• 1:15:20
  >> oh my gosh, there's so many different
• 1:15:22
  things. I think I think
• 1:15:25
  >> I think something that I keep coming
• 1:15:26
  back to is
• 1:15:28
  >> my curiosity really with like these
• 1:15:30
  angelic encounters.
• 1:15:32
  >> Um
• 1:15:33
  >> because I I think so often too, even
• 1:15:35
  myself, like you get you wake up in the
• 1:15:38
  middle of the night and there can be
• 1:15:40
  like an inclination to assume like oh
• 1:15:42
  this is like a demonic attack. Mhm.
• 1:15:45
  >> And we're almost
• 1:15:48
  too,
• 1:15:50
  what's the word I'm looking for?
• 1:15:52
  Accommodating of the devil in the sense
• 1:15:55
  that we can recognize like, oh, there's
• 1:15:58
  there's demons coming to attack. There's
• 1:16:00
  demons here, there's demons there,
• 1:16:01
  there's demonic encounters,
• 1:16:03
  >> XYZ. But then,
• 1:16:05
  >> why would the thought of an angelic
• 1:16:06
  encounter make us therefore
• 1:16:08
  uncomfortable? If we know demons can
• 1:16:10
  visit us, why wouldn't an angel be able
• 1:16:12
  to come visit us? Well, they obviously
• 1:16:14
  they do.
• 1:16:15
  >> They do. Yeah.
• 1:16:16
  >> And but again, our discerning capacity
• 1:16:20
  >> Yeah.
• 1:16:21
  >> might be dull.
• 1:16:23
  And the fear
• 1:16:25
  >> Yeah.
• 1:16:26
  >> The fear is an issue.
• 1:16:27
  >> Yeah. For sure.
• 1:16:28
  >> It's not the only, but it's one of the
• 1:16:30
  major. And so fear, it doesn't
• 1:16:34
  necessarily, let's see how I say this
• 1:16:37
  correctly.
• 1:16:38
  Fear, let's just fear doesn't put out a
• 1:16:40
  good welcome mat.
• 1:16:44
  fear
• 1:16:46
  being emanated from us, coming out of us
• 1:16:50
  that's upon us, that's in our
• 1:16:52
  background, and we're we're not
• 1:16:53
  cleansed. But and it and because in
• 1:16:55
  first John it says, "Perfect love cast
• 1:16:58
  out fear, for fear has torment."
• 1:17:01
  >> And so fear has a lasting effect, which
• 1:17:06
  eventually is some realm of torment.
• 1:17:10
  And it could be in your dreams. It could
• 1:17:13
  be fear of an apparition.
• 1:17:18
  I think that's a good word to use
• 1:17:20
  because too often
• 1:17:23
  in the church Christian community, just
• 1:17:26
  the word apparition
• 1:17:29
  that sounds devilish.
• 1:17:32
  It just sounds occult like.
• 1:17:37
  But what am I supposed to call it?
• 1:17:40
  when all of a sudden seems all of a
• 1:17:43
  sudden
• 1:17:46
  something is standing in my bedroom
• 1:17:50
  that wasn't there before and it's like
• 1:17:56
  and the atmosphere changes in the room.
• 1:18:00
  The external atmosphere can go from cold
• 1:18:04
  to warm
• 1:18:06
  >> because the light of God
• 1:18:09
  dissipates
• 1:18:11
  darkness. So there's a lot of different
• 1:18:14
  um
• 1:18:16
  characteristics
• 1:18:18
  uh
• 1:18:20
  culture that comes with angels.
• 1:18:25
  But the one thing that we need to be
• 1:18:27
  careful, one of the primary things we
• 1:18:30
  need to be careful of is this issue of
• 1:18:33
  an overabundance of fear. Fear doesn't
• 1:18:37
  send out the welcome mat.
• 1:18:39
  >> Really great.
• 1:18:43
  >> Yeah, we're always supposed to test the
• 1:18:46
  spirits to see whether they be of God.
• 1:18:49
  And angels are a form of a spirit being
• 1:18:55
  because in in Hebrews chapter
• 1:19:00
  1 verse4
• 1:19:02
  1 n that might not be right but I think
• 1:19:05
  it is. It says that the angels are the
• 1:19:09
  winds of God. They are released. They're
• 1:19:12
  they're called ministering spirits.
• 1:19:14
  >> Yeah. that come to minister to those who
• 1:19:18
  are the inheritors of salvation.
• 1:19:20
  >> Yeah. I was literally just thinking
• 1:19:21
  about that verse like two minutes ago as
• 1:19:22
  you were talking.
• 1:19:24
  >> Man,
• 1:19:24
  >> it's really amazing cuz they
• 1:19:27
  >> Yeah.
• 1:19:28
  >> It's like
• 1:19:29
  >> something just shifted in here right
• 1:19:31
  now.
• 1:19:31
  >> And they must love doing that because
• 1:19:33
  they love to serve God.
• 1:19:35
  >> Yeah.
• 1:19:35
  >> So they like love to show up for us.
• 1:19:37
  They love to show up and right see I
• 1:19:42
  feel
• 1:19:43
  >> I feel a shift in our atmosphere right
• 1:19:47
  here in this room and
• 1:19:51
  >> over the years
• 1:19:53
  I I've learned for me on
• 1:19:57
  oh okay
• 1:20:01
  and there's a sensing that comes to me
• 1:20:05
  and Um I just
• 1:20:09
  we don't worship angels,
• 1:20:11
  >> right?
• 1:20:15
  >> But we can worship with the angels
• 1:20:19
  because angels are ministering spirits
• 1:20:23
  who are their first ministry like us is
• 1:20:27
  vertical. It's unto God.
• 1:20:31
  Angels are created beings. God is the
• 1:20:36
  only unccreated
• 1:20:39
  being
• 1:20:41
  of all time.
• 1:20:45
  God is even before time.
• 1:20:49
  I got to be careful here. I'll get off
• 1:20:52
  on something, but here
• 1:20:56
  the angels minister
• 1:20:59
  unto the Lord.
• 1:21:02
  And when they are sent ones
• 1:21:06
  into our natural sphere and they are
• 1:21:10
  used across the veil
• 1:21:13
  from the invisible to the visible or
• 1:21:17
  from the
• 1:21:20
  spiritual to the natural.
• 1:21:22
  And it's just like they are given
• 1:21:25
  permission to like cross over this thin
• 1:21:28
  veil
• 1:21:31
  and and and they're and and so they
• 1:21:34
  always come for a purpose though. Yeah.
• 1:21:36
  >> They just don't show up to chat.
• 1:21:39
  They show up with an assignment. They
• 1:21:43
  bring a word. They bring a message.
• 1:21:46
  >> They might bring a warning. They might
• 1:21:50
  not say a word
• 1:21:53
  but it is the release of the
• 1:21:57
  the glory.
• 1:22:00
  It might be an angel that is an angel of
• 1:22:04
  his presence
• 1:22:06
  and their assignment is to
• 1:22:09
  release another dimension
• 1:22:12
  of the glory of God.
• 1:22:22
  But our response
• 1:22:25
  is not to be
• 1:22:31
  aminated,
• 1:22:34
  is not to be captured
• 1:22:38
  by the angels. If it's authentic,
• 1:22:42
  they help guide our worship to God the
• 1:22:45
  Father.
• 1:22:47
  Wow.
• 1:22:48
  >> That's a key right there.
• 1:22:52
  If they're authentic,
• 1:22:55
  they actually
• 1:22:57
  resist being worshiped.
• 1:22:59
  >> Yeah.
• 1:23:00
  >> And they help create that
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  knowing
• 1:23:08
  the invitation.
• 1:23:10
  Glory to God in the highest. M
• 1:23:14
  >> that's what when the angels they came
• 1:23:16
  and said at the birth of Jesus
• 1:23:19
  >> they didn't just point to earth they
• 1:23:22
  pointed the people who were invited into
• 1:23:25
  a revelation this is the Messiah
• 1:23:29
  >> glory to God in the highest.
• 1:23:35
  Then they say, "And peace on earth,
• 1:23:40
  good will to men with whom he is
• 1:23:45
  pleased."
• 1:23:47
  Isn't that amazing?
• 1:23:49
  >> Amazing. It truly is.
• 1:23:52
  That's something. Last year I had this
• 1:23:55
  whole epiphany on um
• 1:23:58
  >> you know cuz the the conversations come
• 1:23:59
  up every year when it's Halloween about
• 1:24:02
  okay you know
• 1:24:03
  >> not celebrating Halloween and then
• 1:24:06
  >> inadvertently it becomes Christmas like
• 1:24:08
  is it pagan is it not is it
• 1:24:10
  >> when we don't have to get into a whole
• 1:24:12
  thing about that but if you if you look
• 1:24:14
  at even like the like thematically they
• 1:24:17
  are worlds different. Oh yeah.
• 1:24:19
  >> And as I was thinking about Christmas
• 1:24:20
  last year,
• 1:24:22
  >> you know, in terms of
• 1:24:25
  pe because people will say and again
• 1:24:27
  their own trauma, their own wounding,
• 1:24:29
  their own systems, their own framework,
• 1:24:30
  whatever, compassion for it, like
• 1:24:32
  >> yes,
• 1:24:32
  >> there's nowhere in the Bible where we
• 1:24:34
  have like a framework to like Jesus
• 1:24:36
  never tells us to celebrate
• 1:24:38
  >> his birth or whatever. And I'm like,
• 1:24:41
  >> but but in the Bible, we see this like
• 1:24:44
  the sky opens up and there's an army of
• 1:24:46
  angels.
• 1:24:47
  >> Absolutely. that are worshiping the
• 1:24:49
  coming of the Messiah.
• 1:24:50
  >> The wise men come and give gifts.
• 1:24:52
  >> Yes. Oops.
• 1:24:53
  >> Yes.
• 1:24:54
  >> But it's it's the the the hold up on the
• 1:24:56
  angel thing. Like these angels all come
• 1:25:00
  >> to give glory to the Messiah that's
• 1:25:02
  that's being that's come to to come to
• 1:25:05
  the earth to bring peace on earth. Like
• 1:25:06
  why would I not celebrate if the angels
• 1:25:08
  are celebrating? And you know, one of
• 1:25:10
  the things that, you know, when I don't
• 1:25:13
  want to fully go here, but one of the
• 1:25:15
  things about Christmas,
• 1:25:18
  could we invite the presence of God into
• 1:25:21
  our family celebrations? Could we
• 1:25:23
  welcome what a or have those moments
• 1:25:27
  where
• 1:25:29
  glory to God in the highest?
• 1:25:32
  >> Yeah.
• 1:25:33
  >> And
• 1:25:34
  the Halloween thing.
• 1:25:37
  Goodness. Before there was ever
• 1:25:40
  Halloween, before Halloween ever
• 1:25:42
  existed,
• 1:25:44
  it's All Saints Sunday.
• 1:25:46
  >> Yeah.
• 1:25:47
  >> And it is a day that is celebrating the
• 1:25:51
  great cloud of witnesses.
• 1:25:53
  >> So, this is this is something that still
• 1:25:55
  makes me uncomfortable.
• 1:25:57
  >> And I get I think the Lord does want me
• 1:25:59
  to bring it up because I wasn't I was
• 1:26:02
  like, "Okay, I told you earlier there's
• 1:26:04
  something scary I wanted to ask you
• 1:26:05
  about." And then I didn't. And then it
• 1:26:07
  we moved away from it, but you just
• 1:26:09
  brought it back up.
• 1:26:11
  >> So, this is like the the one element
• 1:26:13
  where I feel I
• 1:26:14
  >> as far as redemption goes.
• 1:26:16
  >> Yeah.
• 1:26:17
  >> It freaks me out because
• 1:26:19
  >> what got me into the occult was my
• 1:26:22
  grandma dying and thinking I was having
• 1:26:23
  all these experiences with her. Now, I
• 1:26:26
  know that I know that I know that was
• 1:26:27
  never her because when I did get saved
• 1:26:29
  and it came near me, I said, "You
• 1:26:31
  familiar spirit, in the name of Jesus, I
• 1:26:33
  never want you back. I never want to see
• 1:26:35
  you again." Okay.
• 1:26:35
  >> And it never came back. It's never
• 1:26:37
  grandom.
• 1:26:38
  >> And I agree with you on that discernment
• 1:26:41
  cuz a familiar spirit is an
• 1:26:43
  impersonator.
• 1:26:44
  >> Is an impersonator. However, so this is
• 1:26:46
  and this is something I talked to Justin
• 1:26:48
  about last summer. So this is how long
• 1:26:50
  I've been kind of
• 1:26:50
  >> Yeah.
• 1:26:52
  >> Um trying to discern this. So when when
• 1:26:55
  she died, you know, I did have these
• 1:26:58
  >> um I got to be careful. I Okay, I had
• 1:27:01
  two dreams. I had one dream where I felt
• 1:27:05
  like I got my hug goodbye because I was
• 1:27:07
  in the cruise ship, by the way. I was on
• 1:27:09
  a cruise ship when she died.
• 1:27:10
  >> Okay.
• 1:27:11
  >> The worst place you could ever be when
• 1:27:13
  someone you love passes away.
• 1:27:14
  >> Yeah. Cuz you don't have the ability.
• 1:27:16
  >> You can't go home.
• 1:27:17
  >> I We had to wait to get to Bermuda to go
• 1:27:19
  home.
• 1:27:19
  >> So, I felt like I got my hug goodbye in
• 1:27:21
  the dream. What's interesting is she did
• 1:27:22
  not speak to me in the dream. She didn't
• 1:27:25
  She never spoke. We just hugged. She
• 1:27:27
  left.
• 1:27:28
  >> Interesting. And then I had another
• 1:27:30
  dream and I only ever had two dreams
• 1:27:32
  despite that I would always beg like I
• 1:27:34
  want more dreams. I want more dreams. I
• 1:27:35
  want more dreams. I had another dream
• 1:27:37
  where
• 1:27:39
  >> we were in her house
• 1:27:41
  >> and we were in the cloud. We were in the
• 1:27:43
  clouds and she was like showing me
• 1:27:45
  around the house again. She could not
• 1:27:46
  talk to me.
• 1:27:48
  >> She was just showing me the pictures
• 1:27:49
  like that I was familiar with growing
• 1:27:51
  up. And then we came out on the balcony
• 1:27:53
  and this happened when I was in the oult
• 1:27:54
  by the way. I had this dream. We came
• 1:27:56
  out on the balcony of the house and she
• 1:27:58
  pointed down off the balcony and was
• 1:27:59
  like pointing to earth.
• 1:28:01
  >> Uhhuh.
• 1:28:01
  >> And I took that with the framework I had
• 1:28:04
  at the time as um that's her showing me
• 1:28:09
  like, oh, she's always with me. She's
• 1:28:10
  always walking around with me. She's
• 1:28:12
  like,
• 1:28:12
  >> you know, basically she was my Holy
• 1:28:14
  Spirit when I was in the occult. That's
• 1:28:15
  how I saw her.
• 1:28:16
  >> Mhm. She had become a substitute guide.
• 1:28:20
  >> Correct. So, for some reason, God
• 1:28:24
  started reminding me of that dream
• 1:28:26
  because I started thinking about the
• 1:28:28
  whole redemption factor and the cloud of
• 1:28:30
  witnesses. As uncomfortable as it makes
• 1:28:32
  me feel scriptures in that's in
• 1:28:33
  scripture somewhere.
• 1:28:34
  >> Yes.
• 1:28:35
  >> And I don't think that we should ever
• 1:28:37
  try and contact the dead. The word makes
• 1:28:40
  a pretty,
• 1:28:41
  >> you know, compelling case. So, I don't
• 1:28:42
  think I should try and talk to grandma
• 1:28:45
  again. That's not what I'm saying. Not
• 1:28:47
  advocating for meeting. I have to say it
• 1:28:49
  to the audience. not advocating for
• 1:28:50
  necromancy,
• 1:28:52
  >> but I started to wonder in hindsight
• 1:28:54
  because obviously God is God and he knew
• 1:28:55
  I would get saved eventually.
• 1:28:58
  >> So, could it have been possible
• 1:29:00
  that God actually did give me that
• 1:29:03
  dream?
• 1:29:04
  >> Mhm.
• 1:29:05
  >> When I was even in the occult and did
• 1:29:07
  actually
• 1:29:09
  >> like I actually did see her in heaven.
• 1:29:12
  >> Okay. So, let's separate. Could that be?
• 1:29:14
  Yeah. So, let's separate this a little
• 1:29:16
  bit. dreams.
• 1:29:18
  Scripture
• 1:29:20
  are dreams ever given
• 1:29:23
  from God to unbelievers.
• 1:29:26
  >> Yes.
• 1:29:29
  Now, in in my dream language book and in
• 1:29:32
  the prophet book and stuff, I go through
• 1:29:34
  a whole category like this and I show
• 1:29:40
  >> right
• 1:29:40
  >> the people in scripture who were not
• 1:29:43
  believers yet. And the Lord sends a
• 1:29:47
  dream. A dream is one of the primary
• 1:29:51
  ways that God speaks. Period. That's one
• 1:29:55
  of like top three ways that God speaks.
• 1:30:00
  And it is a vehicle or a tool that God
• 1:30:04
  will use to speak to unbelievers
• 1:30:10
  to be used to awaken them
• 1:30:14
  >> towards seeking him.
• 1:30:19
  So
• 1:30:21
  first I'm going to look at that and go
• 1:30:23
  okay
• 1:30:26
  let's just deal with it as a dream.
• 1:30:28
  >> Mhm. Does God give dreams to people who
• 1:30:31
  are unbelievers in the scripture? And
• 1:30:33
  the answer is yes.
• 1:30:36
  Next, you did a really good job in the
• 1:30:39
  way you talked about this. Does God
• 1:30:41
  allow us to take initiative
• 1:30:45
  to
• 1:30:47
  um ask for information
• 1:30:51
  from the spirit of departed dead people?
• 1:30:56
  The answer is absolutely no. It is not.
• 1:30:59
  Initiative is an enormous key.
• 1:31:03
  >> Correct.
• 1:31:04
  >> When we take initiative, it would be
• 1:31:06
  like the difference between astral
• 1:31:08
  projection
• 1:31:10
  and a biblical trance.
• 1:31:12
  >> Really good.
• 1:31:14
  >> In astral projection,
• 1:31:17
  a person who might be
• 1:31:21
  gifted, but it's not redeemed.
• 1:31:25
  And that and they might be on a quest
• 1:31:28
  for knowledge. They normally are. But in
• 1:31:32
  astral projection, it is a pushing
• 1:31:35
  forth. It is a uh projecting. That's why
• 1:31:39
  if that word is used
• 1:31:42
  outward
• 1:31:44
  out of your own initiative.
• 1:31:46
  >> I always say like
• 1:31:48
  >> all these practices, it's a it's a
• 1:31:50
  circumvention.
• 1:31:51
  >> That's very very good. I'm going to
• 1:31:53
  borrow that. Yeah, it's very good.
• 1:31:55
  >> It's an honor. Thank you.
• 1:31:55
  >> No, it's it's really excellent. It does.
• 1:31:58
  It circumvents.
• 1:32:00
  >> It's like in the book of John chapter
• 1:32:03
  10, it's like there's that one that will
• 1:32:06
  try to like go up over the wall to to
• 1:32:10
  get into the to to God. And and and and
• 1:32:14
  the Lord says, "No, that is a woof."
• 1:32:17
  >> Yeah.
• 1:32:17
  >> It's not the good shepherd. So uh so in
• 1:32:21
  astral projection it's a pushing forth
• 1:32:25
  out of a soloulish realm that is can
• 1:32:29
  that is this realm is real though and I
• 1:32:31
  am using the word realm its dimension is
• 1:32:35
  real but it is then an illegal
• 1:32:39
  projecting of a person's soul maybe
• 1:32:44
  spirit
• 1:32:45
  into a realm to illegal legally
• 1:32:51
  grab, grasp, obtain knowledge and
• 1:32:56
  information
• 1:32:58
  contact.
• 1:32:59
  But a trance is very different.
• 1:33:03
  >> I had to go through a period of time. It
• 1:33:05
  took me about 10 years to be honest that
• 1:33:08
  I could talk about transes
• 1:33:12
  >> because I just thought, "No, that's not
• 1:33:15
  right. Uhuh. I'm not going there.
• 1:33:19
  But then I understand
• 1:33:22
  here's what a trance is. Comes from the
• 1:33:26
  Greek word ecstasis
• 1:33:28
  which we do have the word ecstasy from.
• 1:33:33
  And a trance is when God initiates.
• 1:33:38
  He comes upon a person. He gives the
• 1:33:41
  invitation. Come up here.
• 1:33:45
  >> Come up higher. But it is typically out
• 1:33:49
  of worship. When a biblical trance
• 1:33:52
  happens, it's typically out of a place
• 1:33:55
  of worship.
• 1:33:57
  There is an invitation,
• 1:34:00
  a calling to come up here, come up
• 1:34:03
  higher. And what the Greek definition uh
• 1:34:07
  of the word trance, it is that the
• 1:34:11
  will of the person is temporarily put on
• 1:34:15
  pause and they are caught up into such a
• 1:34:18
  dimension that they only receive those
• 1:34:22
  things which God intends. In other
• 1:34:24
  words, they're protected.
• 1:34:26
  >> Wow. when it's God and it happens
• 1:34:30
  normally not always out of a posture of
• 1:34:33
  worship but it is definitely deals with
• 1:34:36
  the issue of will. We cannot will
• 1:34:39
  ourselves
• 1:34:40
  >> right
• 1:34:41
  >> into those types of experiences. But
• 1:34:44
  >> good
• 1:34:45
  >> people from another source do
• 1:34:48
  >> correct?
• 1:34:49
  >> That's astral projection. A trance the
• 1:34:53
  spirit of God out of worship the spirit
• 1:34:56
  of the Lord comes upon a person and
• 1:34:58
  there is an invitation
• 1:35:00
  to come.
• 1:35:01
  >> Wow.
• 1:35:02
  >> To come.
• 1:35:04
  I have gone to heaven before.
• 1:35:08
  I'm not just talking about where I'm I'm
• 1:35:11
  resting and and I feel like I'm
• 1:35:14
  ascending, that type of thing. But I
• 1:35:17
  have actually
• 1:35:19
  been near death
• 1:35:22
  with a failed surgery and I was in
• 1:35:25
  enormous agony. This isn't that long
• 1:35:28
  ago, maybe five years ago.
• 1:35:31
  And I was suffering so bad. I was at a
• 1:35:35
  point that it's like, "My kids are doing
• 1:35:37
  okay. They're all married. They're doing
• 1:35:40
  well.
• 1:35:42
  I've done some great things
• 1:35:45
  right now. This is so hard."
• 1:35:48
  And the Lord met me.
• 1:35:51
  And I went to heaven.
• 1:35:55
  I saw my mom and my dad. You're talking
• 1:35:59
  about your grandma.
• 1:36:01
  I'm being transparent
• 1:36:03
  now. I have talked about this before, so
• 1:36:05
  this isn't my first time.
• 1:36:06
  >> I saw my mom and dad. Did I ask to see
• 1:36:09
  my mom and dad? No. Was I pushing Will?
• 1:36:13
  No.
• 1:36:15
  I was in pain, but I was
• 1:36:20
  praising God
• 1:36:22
  and I was caught up.
• 1:36:27
  I saw my mom and dad in heaven. And my
• 1:36:30
  mom and dad just looked gorgeous. Wow.
• 1:36:32
  >> My dad was handsome. My mother was
• 1:36:34
  beautiful. And they were standing there
• 1:36:36
  and their eyes were just glowing.
• 1:36:40
  >> And they were they never said a word to
• 1:36:42
  me. I never heard a single word.
• 1:36:45
  >> I don't mean to cut you off, but I
• 1:36:46
  forgot a very important detail of why I
• 1:36:49
  believe God did bring this back. Because
• 1:36:51
  I've wrestled
• 1:36:52
  >> Yes.
• 1:36:52
  >> tremendously. My grandom was Catholic.
• 1:36:54
  >> Yeah. And when I, you know, you get born
• 1:36:56
  again, you have all this like,
• 1:36:57
  >> you know, you know what it actually
• 1:36:59
  means to be saved and born again. So I
• 1:37:01
  have struggled with like, was she really
• 1:37:03
  in did she go to heaven? Lord, I would
• 1:37:04
  love to know if my grandmom's in heaven.
• 1:37:06
  >> Okay.
• 1:37:07
  >> And then he reminded me of that dream in
• 1:37:08
  hindsight.
• 1:37:10
  >> So that's the detail I forgot to mention
• 1:37:12
  that might matter.
• 1:37:13
  >> It does matter
• 1:37:15
  >> because maybe that was his retrospective
• 1:37:18
  like revealing.
• 1:37:19
  >> Yeah. Could we also just call it the
• 1:37:22
  comfort of the Holy Spirit? Yeah, that
• 1:37:24
  we could.
• 1:37:25
  >> Yeah, we could. And that might take it
• 1:37:27
  out of some of the theological jargon in
• 1:37:30
  a way,
• 1:37:31
  >> the mental maze we all go into and go,
• 1:37:35
  >> do you think that maybe God could use
• 1:37:38
  even something like that to release a
• 1:37:41
  comfort to those who are weary?
• 1:37:45
  Uh-huh. I saw my mom and dad in heaven.
• 1:37:50
  But what I saw next was my wife.
• 1:37:54
  >> Wow.
• 1:37:56
  >> I missed her every single day and every
• 1:38:01
  single night.
• 1:38:04
  And I saw her.
• 1:38:06
  Everyone seemed young in heaven.
• 1:38:12
  Michael Anne was dressed in this
• 1:38:14
  gorgeous emerald green dress, which is
• 1:38:18
  life.
• 1:38:20
  But when she turned 29 years old,
• 1:38:24
  I got her a heart-shaped cake.
• 1:38:27
  And I have a picture of her, me giving
• 1:38:29
  her this cake. She has on an emerald
• 1:38:32
  green dress.
• 1:38:33
  >> Wow.
• 1:38:34
  >> She looked like that in the
• 1:38:38
  depiction of heaven.
• 1:38:40
  I see her.
• 1:38:42
  Neither one of them talked to me,
• 1:38:45
  but there was a lot of knowings.
• 1:38:49
  >> I'm then caught between a decision
• 1:38:55
  seemed to make.
• 1:38:58
  Paul the Apostle in the book of
• 1:38:59
  Philippians is wrestling through this
• 1:39:02
  and he's going, "Well, it's better for
• 1:39:04
  me to stay,
• 1:39:07
  but for their sake, I will remain."
• 1:39:13
  And I see, and I'm going to be careful
• 1:39:15
  here, a heavenly messenger
• 1:39:19
  fly through the heaven, passed through
• 1:39:22
  the thin veil, and and appeared in my
• 1:39:25
  bedroom.
• 1:39:26
  >> Wow. And now this and I'm now my
• 1:39:29
  conscious awareness I'm up here in
• 1:39:31
  heaven.
• 1:39:34
  And now this heavenly messenger is
• 1:39:36
  standing in my bedroom and speaks to me
• 1:39:40
  spoke to me. A word came to me and said
• 1:39:43
  a word came to me and said you must
• 1:39:46
  remain here.
• 1:39:49
  You must remain here on this side.
• 1:39:52
  >> Wow. Because your work on this side, I
• 1:39:55
  need to remind myself of this right now.
• 1:40:00
  Because your work on this side is not
• 1:40:03
  yet complete.
• 1:40:06
  Then I found myself.
• 1:40:09
  What do I do? In a split second,
• 1:40:13
  I find my spirit man
• 1:40:18
  flying
• 1:40:20
  between heaven and earth. I see my
• 1:40:23
  parents
• 1:40:25
  gazing at me and their eyes
• 1:40:28
  communicated
• 1:40:30
  love,
• 1:40:32
  care, and concern.
• 1:40:36
  And then
• 1:40:38
  my spirit man hits my body lying in my
• 1:40:41
  bed.
• 1:40:44
  I laid there in the wonder of God for a
• 1:40:46
  while and the external atmosphere was
• 1:40:49
  filled with destiny, the presence of
• 1:40:53
  destiny. The word that I'd heard was you
• 1:40:57
  must remain on this side. Your work on
• 1:41:00
  this your assignment on this side is not
• 1:41:02
  yet complete.
• 1:41:04
  And the atmosphere
• 1:41:06
  when I come out of this trance, that's
• 1:41:10
  why I went here partially is because
• 1:41:12
  this was a trance. I was caught up by
• 1:41:16
  the spirit, not by my choosing, not by
• 1:41:19
  my projection, not by my I was caught up
• 1:41:23
  by the spirit, protected to only receive
• 1:41:27
  those things which are of God. That's
• 1:41:30
  what trance means. And I
• 1:41:34
  And the atmosphere in my room was
• 1:41:38
  saturated with the destiny of God. I
• 1:41:41
  laid there for a while, maybe 15
• 1:41:44
  minutes, 20 minutes, and everything kind
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  of dissipated. And I laid there
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  and pain is now echoing in my body. And
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  I'm musing going like, I love this. I
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  don't understand this. Why didn't I get
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  total a miracle right then?
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  I don't know.
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  But what I do know,
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  I
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  got reconvicted.
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  >> Wow.
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  >> I'm still needed.
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  I still have an assignment
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  to complete.
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  I'm still needed on this side.
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  We all have parables that we walk
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  through. That's one of mine. So, your
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  encounter,
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  I believe, could be
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  a realm of the comfort of the Holy
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  Spirit.
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  He will send another helper, a
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  pariclete. That's the Greek word. One
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  called along our side to help.
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  And that helper
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  is God, the Holy Spirit. And he was used
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  to help release comfort to you because
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  that's part of the job of the Holy
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  Spirit.
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  And he also brought an illumination to
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  you that I would ask the Lord for
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  confirmation
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  because I don't receive any one
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  encounter as the complete word.
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  >> I go back to God and I say, "Okay, Lord,
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  if this was of you, will you confirm
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  it?" That principle is found three
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  places in the Bible,
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  >> in the penetuk and Deuteronomy, in the
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  gospels and in second Corinthians
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  that God will confirm his word by the
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  witness or the testimony of two and
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  three witnesses.
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  So we have an acknowledgment that this
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  is definitely a realm of the comfort of
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  the Holy Spirit. Now we can take the
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  message
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  and we go, "Okay, God, what about this
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  message?
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  What is there that I'm supposed to get
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  out of this? Is there also an assurance
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  that my grandma by grace and by mercy
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  and by the completed work of the cross
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  of Jesus and she did have faith
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  and she is safe. She is secured on the
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  other side.
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  What I would do there
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  is ask God to confirm it.
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  I'd ask God to confirm it. That
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  that is exactly the right word.
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  >> It's so simple cuz we we so much just
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  want to get caught up in trying to fill
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  in the blanks ourselves.
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  >> Yeah. And it's so simple like like for
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  me retelling that encounter
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  >> I needed to hear it
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  >> as I'm going through some
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  intense things and it's like okay
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  all right buddy
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  huh
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  I still have an assignment on this side.
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  Let's just keep our hand on the plow.
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  >> Yes. Let's count the cost
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  >> and look straight ahead
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  and believe. And now let let faith rise
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  up. And I think that's part of what your
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  encounter is for also is to bring
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  comfort and a spark of faith. Yes, this
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  realm, I'm using the word realm. Yes,
• 1:45:59
  this dimension is real.
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  And yes, God can use it as a way of
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  expressing his holy will.
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  >> I feel like I could talk to you till
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  tomorrow.
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  >> I think so, too.
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  >> Um, I want to honor your time and
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  >> yeah,
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  >> open invitation if you'd ever love to
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  come back and do this again. This was
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  really fantastic.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> Thank you so much. Uh let me hand it
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  over to you for a final word and just
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  asking if there's anything you feel led
• 1:46:34
  to share
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  >> before we close out today.
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  >> Okay. Well, um your community that you
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  are developing is uh has an invitation
• 1:46:47
  to read one of my books and it is the
• 1:46:50
  discerner. And could you hold that up?
• 1:46:54
  You've got the book right there. And
• 1:46:56
  what's the subtitle say?
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  >> Hearing, confirming, and acting on
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  prophetic revelation.
• 1:47:02
  >> Oh, let's read it again.
• 1:47:04
  >> Hearing, confirming, and acting on
• 1:47:06
  prophetic revelation.
• 1:47:07
  >> So, we want to do more than hear.
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  >> Wow.
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  >> Confirm.
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  >> Does it say that?
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  >> Wow.
• 1:47:15
  >> Does it say that? What's it say?
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  >> Confirm and act.
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  >> Oh. hearing, confirming, and acting on
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  the prophetic word. Would you flip to
• 1:47:28
  the back of the book and read the top
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  two sentences?
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  >> Satan's number one weapon is deception.
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  The church's number one need is
• 1:47:38
  discernment.
• 1:47:40
  >> Okay. I speak that you have an
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  invitation
• 1:47:45
  to go into the school of the discerner.
• 1:47:52
  I believe that this is one of the number
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  one needs of Christians, of disciples of
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  Jesus, for the church in this hour is to
• 1:48:06
  grow in discernment.
• 1:48:09
  Spiritual
• 1:48:11
  activity
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  increases in the last days.
• 1:48:16
  >> Say, James, are these the last days?
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  Well, they're later than any days we've
• 1:48:20
  ever had.
• 1:48:21
  >> Good.
• 1:48:23
  >> They're my last days.
• 1:48:28
  Holy Spirit and demonic activity of the
• 1:48:32
  supernatural increases
• 1:48:36
  a collision.
• 1:48:38
  So what do we need?
• 1:48:41
  I just want to speak to you that yes,
• 1:48:44
  deception is
• 1:48:48
  Satan's
• 1:48:50
  number one tool in this period of time,
• 1:48:54
  but he does not have the final word. He
• 1:48:57
  does not have the final say.
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  Hebrews 5:14 says, "Solid food is for
• 1:49:06
  the mature who because of practice
• 1:49:10
  have their senses trained
• 1:49:15
  to discern."
• 1:49:19
  The mature
• 1:49:21
  grow
• 1:49:23
  to discern.
• 1:49:25
  To discern what? good and evil. We need
• 1:49:31
  in this hour, this realm of discernment
• 1:49:35
  or the gift of discerning of spirits
• 1:49:38
  can
• 1:49:40
  separate the gray areas
• 1:49:44
  where we go, I don't know. I'm not sure.
• 1:49:47
  And it might appear as a mixture, but
• 1:49:50
  this realm discerns between good and
• 1:49:54
  evil. And in this realm, I bless you
• 1:49:57
  right now to grow
• 1:50:00
  in this to practice your senses
• 1:50:06
  and that they will be cleansed.
• 1:50:09
  >> I say some of you are going to go on a
• 1:50:10
  journey
• 1:50:12
  of your senses
• 1:50:15
  being cleansed
• 1:50:17
  right now. Particularly for people who
• 1:50:19
  want to reach out in the power of God,
• 1:50:22
  you are going to be you are invited to
• 1:50:25
  go into a place of greater cleansing.
• 1:50:30
  Psalm 24 says,
• 1:50:33
  "Who can ascend to the hill of the Lord
• 1:50:36
  but he who has clean hands and a pure
• 1:50:40
  heart? And for those who want to mature,
• 1:50:45
  solid food is for those who want to grow
• 1:50:50
  and they have practice.
• 1:50:54
  Find yourself a community
• 1:50:57
  because it says who because of practice
• 1:51:00
  to practice you need a safe place to
• 1:51:05
  practice. who because of practice have
• 1:51:08
  their senses trained. So I speak a
• 1:51:12
  blessing to you that the Holy Spirit is
• 1:51:15
  your tutor. He is a marvelous trainer.
• 1:51:19
  And you are invited into
• 1:51:22
  taking classes in the school of
• 1:51:26
  discernment.
• 1:51:28
  And you will
• 1:51:30
  be able to separate
• 1:51:34
  black and white and separate the gray.
• 1:51:39
  And it will not be I speak to fog. I
• 1:51:43
  speak to foggy minds. I speak to
• 1:51:47
  chemical releases that affect people's
• 1:51:51
  emotional processes and I say cleansing
• 1:51:56
  in the blood of Jesus.
• 1:51:58
  Supernatural fire of the Holy Spirit.
• 1:52:02
  Someone might manifest and they're
• 1:52:05
  starting to actually feel, sense, know a
• 1:52:08
  realm of what's called the fire of the
• 1:52:10
  Holy Spirit. And he's coming upon you.
• 1:52:14
  is coming upon your hands. It is also
• 1:52:17
  coming for someone. I know for sure it
• 1:52:20
  could be around 20 people or more, 200,
• 1:52:23
  2,000. I do not know the number.
• 1:52:27
  A fire sitting as were on your mind. In
• 1:52:32
  Acts chapter 2, it was called tongues of
• 1:52:36
  fire set on their heads. I wonder why
• 1:52:39
  they needed it.
• 1:52:41
  and they needed a fire to cleanse their
• 1:52:46
  soul. I see this fire resting on
• 1:52:52
  people's minds. And I say you are
• 1:52:56
  welcome, Holy Spirit. Nothing fake,
• 1:53:00
  nothing magical, but we welcome the
• 1:53:04
  authentic real fire of Holy Spirit
• 1:53:09
  to
• 1:53:10
  burn out
• 1:53:14
  the draws,
• 1:53:16
  the mixture,
• 1:53:18
  the old, the witchcraft.
• 1:53:22
  I say to something in specific like a
• 1:53:25
  santeleria
• 1:53:27
  a mixture
• 1:53:30
  of an it's actually goes then out of a
• 1:53:32
  mystical place into an false comfort a
• 1:53:35
  cult realm and I say be cleansed in
• 1:53:39
  Jesus name. The Lord is going to
• 1:53:42
  separate that gray area for you. You
• 1:53:45
  aren't going to move in criticism and
• 1:53:48
  judgmentalism. You're going to have
• 1:53:51
  deliverance yourself
• 1:53:53
  because by the fire of the Holy Spirit.
• 1:53:58
  So I blessed you with greater
• 1:54:02
  discernment
• 1:54:04
  to discern good and evil for such a time
• 1:54:07
  as this. Amen. And amen.
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  >> Amen.
• 1:54:09
  >> I receive that as well.
• 1:54:13
  Where can people find you and where
• 1:54:16
  where can they find these the incredible
• 1:54:19
  books that you've written?
• 1:54:20
  >> Thank you. So, um uh it's god
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  encounters.com
• 1:54:27
  or it's jamesgmy mylastname.com
• 1:54:30
  and you can go there and we have
• 1:54:31
  absolutely um new website and there's
• 1:54:36
  lots of free teachings. Uh there's a
• 1:54:39
  media section you can download and
• 1:54:41
  there's all kinds of uh podcast and
• 1:54:44
  there's even uh some television shows
• 1:54:46
  called seeking insight with James and
• 1:54:49
  multiple tools for equipping. There is
• 1:54:51
  then on the website there is a resource
• 1:54:55
  center or a bookstore. So just go into
• 1:54:57
  there and why go there versus Amazon.
• 1:55:00
  Hey, you want to go to Amazon?
• 1:55:02
  Hallelujah. Go to Amazon. And most
• 1:55:05
  things are on Amazon, but not all
• 1:55:08
  things. So, not all my study guides that
• 1:55:11
  go with most of the books, but so on our
• 1:55:16
  our resource center, they'll be all the
• 1:55:18
  books. I do something called the best
• 1:55:21
  of. So, I'll take four messages
• 1:55:24
  that were used to help me compose each
• 1:55:28
  one of the books and I put them together
• 1:55:30
  and it's the best of the discerner or
• 1:55:32
  the best of angelic encounters, the best
• 1:55:34
  of the seer and make those then
• 1:55:36
  available at an inexpensive rate. A lot
• 1:55:39
  of things are free folks and so go to
• 1:55:42
  the resource center that would be a
• 1:55:44
  great delight. And we have another
• 1:55:46
  section that's global prayerstorm.com.
• 1:55:51
  And we have another new interrelated
• 1:55:54
  ministry and website where we are
• 1:55:58
  helping raise up 24/7
• 1:56:01
  prayer around the world
• 1:56:03
  >> for the greatest revival that the church
• 1:56:06
  will ever see for Israel. and the Middle
• 1:56:09
  East for the greatest youth awakening
• 1:56:14
  and for a crisis intervention and things
• 1:56:17
  like that. So anyway, that was quite a
• 1:56:19
  bit to go through, but hey, thank you.
• 1:56:21
  It's a real blessing to partner, become
• 1:56:26
  friends. We go to the same church and uh
• 1:56:30
  and we're realize that we have the same
• 1:56:34
  father.
• 1:56:35
  >> Wow. and the same Lord Jesus Christ. And
• 1:56:38
  so, thank you so much. It's a delight to
• 1:56:41
  be with you, Angela.
• 1:56:42
  >> Thank you so much. Thank you all so much
• 1:56:44
  for watching. Like the video and drop a
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  comment down below what you thought. I
• 1:56:48
  know I was blessed by this. I pray you
• 1:56:51
  certainly were as