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- 0:08Speaker 1: Good evening and welcome to the cover one Sabers podcast. Here, Anthony,
- 0:16Speaker 1: do you think Lindy Rough can afford to put Oustland
- 0:21Speaker 1: and Lion back on the benchrom.
- 0:24Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. I think Austlin his energy and he's
- 0:29Speaker 2: a high skilled player, like he was integral to this
- 0:31Speaker 2: season before he got banged up down the stretch. And
- 0:34Speaker 2: I think the way he played in Game three reinforced
- 0:36Speaker 2: that notion even more. And then upl was a little
- 0:40Speaker 2: obviously a little shaky in Game two, but then Line
- 0:42Speaker 2: comes in plays well. I like that he's chirping Boston,
- 0:46Speaker 2: He's out there with me.
- 0:46Speaker 1: I love the clip.
- 0:49Speaker 2: That's so great, having that kind of playoff swagger, like
- 0:53Speaker 2: I dig it until it backfires on him horribly.
- 0:56Speaker 1: I dig it, I swear to God, like it's running
- 0:59Speaker 1: through my of Like I wonder how long we could
- 1:01Speaker 1: do this and I would just talk I would instead
- 1:05Speaker 1: of the draft tonight, Like, yeah.
- 1:07Speaker 2: I'd much rather do the Sabers so we can talk
- 1:09Speaker 2: about that.
- 1:10Speaker 1: I don't so I want to.
- 1:11Speaker 2: Talk about the Red Sox.
- 1:13Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure most of you were joining us because
- 1:16Speaker 1: tonight was Day two of the NFL Draft and the
- 1:21Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills made two selections.
- 1:24Speaker 3: UH.
- 1:24Speaker 1: Tonight, I did say my number one goal. I said,
- 1:27Speaker 1: regardless of names, I wanted three picks today. I wanted
- 1:31Speaker 1: to use some of the AMMO to move up. They did.
- 1:34Speaker 1: They used a little bit of the AMMO and honestly
- 1:38Speaker 1: like a nothing pad please, like we're gonna do our best.
- 1:46Speaker 1: We're gonna do our best. They the fact that you
- 1:50Speaker 1: moved up in the second round for a sixth round pick.
- 1:54Speaker 1: I was like, oh, well, that's like nothing like they
- 1:56Speaker 1: traded away like one eighty six or whatever that pick was.
- 1:58Speaker 1: So I was that was kind of cool. They didn't
- 2:02Speaker 1: pick a guy that I anticipated. We'll get to that
- 2:04Speaker 1: one later. I would have preferred that we moved up
- 2:08Speaker 1: from one oh one maybe, you know, I don't know,
- 2:11Speaker 1: to grab a defensive tackle that was falling from iowas st.
- 2:16Speaker 1: But you know, we'll see, we'll see where that goes.
- 2:19Speaker 1: You know. Ultimately, tonight you guys join us. Because of
- 2:21Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. UH selected t J. Parker, the defensive
- 2:27Speaker 1: end from Clemson, and Noah Igbanassen, the cornerback from Ohio
- 2:34Speaker 1: State and the Ohio State University.
- 2:37Speaker 2: I hate that have so much distain for.
- 2:39Speaker 1: I just I just mashed Noah iggbanoghany and Davison Igbanassin
- 2:44Speaker 1: in my head.
- 2:45Speaker 2: Well in my head the phrasing of the way it went.
- 2:47Speaker 2: I was like, that's exactly what I thought you did.
- 2:50Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, yeah, that's exactly what So
- 2:52Speaker 1: Davison Igbanassen. Let's start one at a time. So obviously
- 2:58Speaker 1: the Bills came into today with the thirty fifth pick,
- 3:02Speaker 1: they sat and picked. I know last night we both
- 3:06Speaker 1: were kind of debating on, hey, do we get like
- 3:09Speaker 1: a Jacob Rodriguez or Josiah Trotter or a linebacker or
- 3:14Speaker 1: a Jay Golde or a linebacker first and then a
- 3:16Speaker 1: d tackle later, or do we get you know, Kay
- 3:19Speaker 1: McDonald or a Kristen Miller first and then get the
- 3:23Speaker 1: linebacker later. And all those guys I just listed went
- 3:26Speaker 1: in the eight to ten picks right, you know, right
- 3:29Speaker 1: to begin the draft. And I will say last night
- 3:33Speaker 1: we did talk about edge and it was a pick
- 3:36Speaker 1: that I absolutely saw in play as part of our
- 3:41Speaker 1: early picks here. But I definitely was excited because hey,
- 3:45Speaker 1: we're a three four defense now. Now we're going to
- 3:47Speaker 1: get one of those fun, bendy, fast guys. Athletic guys
- 3:50Speaker 1: around the edge and the bills with TJ. Parker, who
- 3:55Speaker 1: I thought you described really well, and my quick explanation was,
- 4:01Speaker 1: I thought he felt very Ajvanessa ish. So, Anthony, what
- 4:05Speaker 1: were your initial thoughts when you saw TJ. Parker as
- 4:08Speaker 1: the selection at number thirty five for the Buffalo Bills?
- 4:13Speaker 2: Actually it was kind of that I side. I want
- 4:17Speaker 2: to put the disclaimer out there before I say anything
- 4:19Speaker 2: about TJ.
- 4:20Speaker 1: Parker.
- 4:20Speaker 2: Most of my frustration with the TJ. Parker pick is
- 4:23Speaker 2: not necessarily because it's TJ.
- 4:27Speaker 1: Parker.
- 4:30Speaker 2: I'm also frustrated that it felt like we were set
- 4:32Speaker 2: up so much for success today and it just went downhill.
- 4:35Speaker 2: Like I was gonna tweet some stuff earlier today and
- 4:36Speaker 2: I didn't want to jinx it because like, oh, you
- 4:38Speaker 2: got all this stuff, you still have to execute. Aside
- 4:40Speaker 2: from that, yeah, I TJ. Parker's fine. And I know
- 4:45Speaker 2: that sounds negative or it sounds backhanded, or it sounds disparaging,
- 4:48Speaker 2: and I don't mean it to be that way. He's fine.
- 4:53Speaker 1: I virtually every board had him somewhere between like twenty
- 4:57Speaker 1: five and forty ish, maybe forty five ish, like value wise,
- 5:01Speaker 1: everyone thought of him as a late first early second
- 5:03Speaker 1: round pick. This is a This was not a weird
- 5:07Speaker 1: reach in that like, oh my god, I can't believe
- 5:10Speaker 1: we picked him. It's more so again Anthony will explain
- 5:13Speaker 1: more about our expectation that this is going to be
- 5:16Speaker 1: a new archetype of new style of defensive end. We
- 5:19Speaker 1: would see, yeah.
- 5:20Speaker 2: And that's exactly it. Like I had him in a
- 5:25Speaker 2: similar group with honestly like Parker mesidor Zion Young Malchi.
- 5:31Speaker 2: Lawrence has started to bump up a little bit, but
- 5:34Speaker 2: I thought, like all Parker and Zion Young are going
- 5:36Speaker 2: to be solid players for an NFL team for a while.
- 5:40Speaker 2: Right they played All.
- 5:41Speaker 1: Showed the Ringer last night. I think they had Lawrence
- 5:44Speaker 1: Parker Howell thirty four back to back to back, like
- 5:47Speaker 1: three straight players, same tier.
- 5:49Speaker 2: So widely looked at it in that regard. And Parker
- 5:53Speaker 2: does pretty much everything. And again this sounds negative, but
- 5:58Speaker 2: he does pretty much everything like okay, too good to find.
- 6:03Speaker 2: Like he plays the run, he has you know, some
- 6:06Speaker 2: movement capability, he has some power and compression capability. I
- 6:11Speaker 2: like his hand usage. He can't even drop a little
- 6:12Speaker 2: bit and has some athleticism. Was also a highly touted
- 6:15Speaker 2: guy coming into this year, you know, very a la
- 6:18Speaker 2: Peter Woods defensive tackle from Clemson. They just had a
- 6:21Speaker 2: really down year as an entire you know team. But yeah,
- 6:27Speaker 2: I just wanted a departure from the power length users,
- 6:33Speaker 2: compression type guys off the edge that aren't very bendy
- 6:36Speaker 2: or change of direction or athletic base or juice base.
- 6:39Speaker 2: That's again part of the reason why I was gravitating
- 6:43Speaker 2: towards Malachi Lawrence, even though he's not very bendy. I
- 6:45Speaker 2: was like, I'll take the linear juice, I'll take the
- 6:47Speaker 2: pop I'll take the guy who flattens and can all
- 6:49Speaker 2: of a sudden turn on the after burners and get
- 6:51Speaker 2: to the quarterback. I like, I will take that. Give
- 6:53Speaker 2: me some semblance of that real juice. And Parker is
- 6:59Speaker 2: very much in the mo old of Chubb. Like he is.
- 7:03Speaker 2: I think he's you know, again, when we talk about
- 7:04Speaker 2: it offline, you mentioned the Epanessa thing. I think he's
- 7:07Speaker 2: like a Bradley Chubb light, which again isn't isn't a
- 7:09Speaker 2: bad thing, Like that's not a horrible thing. I just
- 7:12Speaker 2: would have liked something different, I think, and not just
- 7:14Speaker 2: for the sake of having something different. I think they
- 7:17Speaker 2: need something different, and then continuing to go to the well, granted,
- 7:20Speaker 2: wearing a new defense. Now, I just think continuing to
- 7:24Speaker 2: go to that archetype at the edge well has not
- 7:27Speaker 2: served them tremendously well, no pun intended there. And again
- 7:32Speaker 2: I also just can't help but connect bread crumbs or
- 7:35Speaker 2: not because there was so much discussion right with all
- 7:38Speaker 2: the being in McDermott separation of like, oh, who really
- 7:41Speaker 2: was building the roster and running the team? McDermott is
- 7:43Speaker 2: gone and Bradley Chubb and TJ. Parker are the two
- 7:46Speaker 2: edges they've added this offseason, and both aren't completely and
- 7:49Speaker 2: holistically in line with all the edge arc with the
- 7:53Speaker 2: edge archetype they've subscribed to since Brandon Bean has been here.
- 7:56Speaker 2: The only liar is outliar is Von Miller and Javon Solomon.
- 7:59Speaker 2: One of Javon Solomon. So yeah, that's the I think
- 8:03Speaker 2: Parker's fine. I don't dislike him as a player. Did
- 8:06Speaker 2: I want him? Know? Did I prefer other guys? Yes,
- 8:09Speaker 2: he's a fine player. I think he's useful. I think
- 8:11Speaker 2: he's a high four type of guy. I just especially
- 8:15Speaker 2: considering what we talked about last night I give me
- 8:17Speaker 2: Kristin Miller, give me Kayden McDonald and then watching the
- 8:20Speaker 2: Texans get Caiden mcdonald', like, oh, that's just what. Like
- 8:23Speaker 2: the best defense in the NFL needs is another good defensive.
- 8:26Speaker 2: You know what to really help Z's Olshaire and Henry
- 8:30Speaker 2: Tow Tow and the guys on the outside is some
- 8:33Speaker 2: space eater plugger in the middle who's just gonna eat
- 8:35Speaker 2: bodies and keep everybody clean.
- 8:40Speaker 1: The best thing I can say about TJ Parker is
- 8:45Speaker 1: he was my favorite Buffalo Bill's draft pick tonight.
- 8:49Speaker 2: Okay, Silverling Okay.
- 8:54Speaker 1: Uh So again, I'm I was in a couple of
- 8:57Speaker 1: different group chats, all in various versions of disarray, let's.
- 9:03Speaker 2: Say, various versions of yelling, various volume of.
- 9:05Speaker 1: It correct correct, various levels of creating. One of them
- 9:09Speaker 1: involves Drew gear so there's a various he levels of creativity.
- 9:15Speaker 2: I was wearing GMS from him and Chris last night
- 9:18Speaker 2: because last night was Drew's nightmare all the trade downs,
- 9:21Speaker 2: so he was already sent from last night. I cannot
- 9:24Speaker 2: imagine where he is now.
- 9:26Speaker 1: So the way I described it, and I'll get to
- 9:28Speaker 1: the second pick here in a bit, is TJ Perker
- 9:34Speaker 1: is not the guy I wanted, but I knew the
- 9:38Speaker 1: edge was one of the top two, three four positions
- 9:41Speaker 1: of need. I knew it was going to be addressed
- 9:43Speaker 1: in one of the first picks that we made. Again,
- 9:47Speaker 1: I would have preferred like third or fourth, but it
- 9:49Speaker 1: was totally fine with it, Hector. Some of my favorite
- 9:52Speaker 1: guys to pick last night would have been at Edge.
- 9:54Speaker 1: So I'm wrong all the time. The best guys in
- 9:58Speaker 1: this are the professionals are wrong all the time. So yeah,
- 10:04Speaker 1: maybe Parker is the right pick. Like that, I can
- 10:06Speaker 1: get my head around, Like that's just a preference thing
- 10:08Speaker 1: I would have preferred to somebody else.
- 10:10Speaker 2: He'll be a smaller NFL player. He'll be a fine
- 10:12Speaker 2: NFL player for years, like a good high end three,
- 10:15Speaker 2: maybe even a low end two. He'll play in the
- 10:17Speaker 2: league for probably like eight to nine years and be sold,
- 10:19Speaker 2: which is fine.
- 10:20Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I Matt Miller had his pro comp
- 10:26Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson. I thought that was a little oh, that's
- 10:28Speaker 1: a little lofty, But.
- 10:30Speaker 2: I mean his twenty twenty four was really nice. I
- 10:32Speaker 2: have to go back.
- 10:33Speaker 1: So and if you go back at age twenty in
- 10:37Speaker 1: you know, at a high level of competition in twenty
- 10:40Speaker 1: twenty four, he had stretches of being the dominant player.
- 10:45Speaker 1: And if you want to try to connect some breadcrumbs,
- 10:48Speaker 1: you're talking about a guy that coming into this season
- 10:52Speaker 1: was seen as a potential top ten pick. Him and
- 10:56Speaker 1: Peter Woods were there in a lot of the like
- 10:58Speaker 1: way too early mock, the same way that we got
- 11:01Speaker 1: Dan Walker that was seen as that. And then yeah,
- 11:04Speaker 1: the final season wasn't quite what we saw. So if
- 11:06Speaker 1: you want to grasp for silver linings here, I think
- 11:10Speaker 1: both of us are saying. TJ. Parker is a good player. TJ.
- 11:12Speaker 1: Parker is a player that deserved to be picked in
- 11:14Speaker 1: this range. He isn't the guy we would have picked.
- 11:17Speaker 1: But we can get our head around this. It's just
- 11:19Speaker 1: not who we would have preferred.
- 11:21Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want just to even go through it. So,
- 11:24Speaker 2: his senior year, according to PFF so six sacks, forty
- 11:30Speaker 2: three pressures, a fifteen point seven percent win rate, a
- 11:33Speaker 2: thirteen point two percent pressure rate, seven point five passwords productivity.
- 11:38Speaker 2: His previous year in twenty twenty four thirteen sacks, fifty
- 11:42Speaker 2: four pressures, similar win rate at fifteen point three, a
- 11:46Speaker 2: better pressure rate at fourteen point five and then a
- 11:48Speaker 2: better passwords productivity at nine. So even in a down year,
- 11:52Speaker 2: he had six sacks and twenty twenty five grand four
- 11:54Speaker 2: of them came against South Carolina in the last game
- 11:56Speaker 2: of the year, and then he had again thirteen sacks
- 12:00Speaker 2: year before, which is part of why he was so
- 12:02Speaker 2: highly regarded coming into this year.
- 12:04Speaker 1: Yeah, so, you know, again, I think there's preferences. We
- 12:08Speaker 1: were both excited to see him go a different direction,
- 12:10Speaker 1: or to pick a guy that we thought would be
- 12:12Speaker 1: a really you know, important pick for the new defense,
- 12:16Speaker 1: or to see a new style of player. But again,
- 12:18Speaker 1: can both get our heads around The challenge I have
- 12:22Speaker 1: is I am very comfortable stayed like, I don't do
- 12:27Speaker 1: nearly the work that you were in Eric or a
- 12:30Speaker 1: Russ Brown or anyone like that does, let alone the
- 12:33Speaker 1: amount of work that an NFL for an office does.
- 12:35Speaker 1: But what I am very comfortable with is my ability
- 12:39Speaker 1: to analyze the Buffalo Bill's roster and their roster needs
- 12:46Speaker 1: and the hierarchy of what makes sense in roster construction
- 12:51Speaker 1: from premium positions and utilization and what's there And again
- 12:57Speaker 1: modern NFL teams. We just watched the Seahawks in the
- 12:59Speaker 1: e go before them win Super Bowls by playing eight
- 13:03Speaker 1: different defensive linemen and not losing or having guys fall
- 13:07Speaker 1: off when it happened. So I can't be I can't
- 13:10Speaker 1: see that and then be mad when we invest in
- 13:14Speaker 1: that dresser because I've seen that work. What I don't
- 13:19Speaker 1: understand is trading up. And again, we didn't give up
- 13:24Speaker 1: anything to trade up, so I'm not gonna I don't
- 13:25Speaker 1: particularly care that we gave up the sixth round pick
- 13:28Speaker 1: to move from sixty six to sixty two, but to
- 13:30Speaker 1: the point that we targeted a player like we needed
- 13:34Speaker 1: to go up and get him and gave up additional
- 13:39Speaker 1: assets of some kind, and I just looked no other
- 13:43Speaker 1: corner went for the next ten picks, So I.
- 13:46Speaker 2: Even thought of that too, like you're trading up because
- 13:49Speaker 2: you're like, oh, we think this, these teams in front
- 13:51Speaker 2: of us might get him or do this, And I
- 13:53Speaker 2: was like, really for him? But sorry, good point.
- 13:57Speaker 1: Yeah again, I just think I hadn't checked until right
- 13:59Speaker 1: now live to trade up or when there were you know, heck,
- 14:06Speaker 1: if you're gonna trade up for a guy in the
- 14:08Speaker 1: secondary Emmanuel McNeil Warren was falling, the Browns traded up
- 14:12Speaker 1: for him at fifty eight, Like if you're gonna give
- 14:14Speaker 1: up a little bit of assets to move up and
- 14:15Speaker 1: get a guy, go up and get Emmanuel McNeil Warren
- 14:20Speaker 1: at a position where you could see, hey, this could
- 14:25Speaker 1: be Hey, he could just win the competition, and Gardner
- 14:28Speaker 1: Johnson becomes the nice versatile chess piece you can move
- 14:32Speaker 1: around and maybe a nickel, maybe a backup safety, maybe
- 14:36Speaker 1: a third safety. Look that all makes sense. Davison Nigmuinosen
- 14:41Speaker 1: played I think thirteen total snaps in all of college
- 14:46Speaker 1: that wasn't as an outside boundary corner. I don't think
- 14:50Speaker 1: there's any scenario where we hope he plays over Christian Benforter,
- 14:54Speaker 1: Max Harston, I think I saw one again. Max Miller,
- 14:59Speaker 1: who I don't put a ton of stock in his analysis,
- 15:03Speaker 1: said that maybe there's a chance people see his six
- 15:07Speaker 1: foot two frame and his ability to come forward with
- 15:12Speaker 1: more value that maybe they could try to develop and
- 15:14Speaker 1: as a safety. I literally search for the name eg
- 15:17Speaker 1: Minosen and safety for anyone else. I could see you
- 15:20Speaker 1: talking about that and could not find it anywhere. And
- 15:23Speaker 1: I believe this sounds like it was confirmed. You can
- 15:26Speaker 1: share the quote from Brandon beans press conference. They know
- 15:30Speaker 1: that he was viewed as an outside cornerback, and then
- 15:34Speaker 1: we just traded up in the second round for if
- 15:37Speaker 1: everything goes well, a guy we hope never plays. We
- 15:43Speaker 1: just trade it up in the second round for a
- 15:44Speaker 1: player that, again, cornerback is a premium position. I have
- 15:48Speaker 1: to acknowledge that, like cornerback is a premium position, it
- 15:50Speaker 1: always makes sense to invest in corner I wanted. I
- 15:54Speaker 1: joked about Ponds last night. They're like, well, if they
- 15:56Speaker 1: go get Ponds, at least I'll get it. Like, go
- 15:58Speaker 1: get me a stud nickel, Give me my Taron Johnson.
- 16:02Speaker 1: He's six' two in long and more fast than. Quick,
- 16:07Speaker 1: like he's not a guy who's going to transition to the.
- 16:10Speaker 1: Nickel he's one hundred and eighty nine. Pounds, LIKE i
- 16:12Speaker 1: can't fathom he actually transitions to. SAFETY i get it,
- 16:16Speaker 1: that you, know it sounds Like Dorian. Strong there's some
- 16:19Speaker 1: significant health concerns long. Term we do have a gap
- 16:23Speaker 1: at depth. Corner we do like there isn't a clear answer.
- 16:26Speaker 1: THERE i get that trading up in the second round
- 16:29Speaker 1: when we don't have a other starting, linebacker we don't
- 16:32Speaker 1: have another starting defensive, tackle and we get a guy
- 16:36Speaker 1: that if everything goes, perfect we hope never. Plays i'm
- 16:42Speaker 1: as optimistic as Any bills. FAN i got. NOTHING i
- 16:44Speaker 1: can't explain. THIS i don't understand the. PRIORITIZATION i don't
- 16:48Speaker 1: understand the asset. UTILIZATION i don't understand the vision of
- 16:55Speaker 1: why this was a priority and why we had to
- 16:57Speaker 1: jump up to get a guy that we hope doesn't.
- 17:01Speaker 1: PLAY i don't get.
- 17:02Speaker 2: It, YEAH I i. Am i'm right there with. YOU
- 17:08Speaker 2: I i understand the. Notion and we talked about this,
- 17:13Speaker 2: yesterday LIKE cb three is in, Need corners a premium.
- 17:17Speaker 2: Position you should draft corners and trench players every, Year
- 17:21Speaker 2: LIKE I i am tying with that all the time
- 17:26Speaker 2: REGULAR i get. It but given the rest of the
- 17:32Speaker 2: needs on this, ROSTER i just felt like corner, three
- 17:36Speaker 2: though it was in, need, right was less of a
- 17:40Speaker 2: fish to fry on the roster than several other positions
- 17:44Speaker 2: on the.
- 17:44Speaker 1: Roster and if, so someone with, versatility.
- 17:48Speaker 2: Yes, Yes like, again like we talked about With, ponds like,
- 17:51Speaker 2: okay like inside, outside LIKE i could buy that for
- 17:54Speaker 2: that type of. Position, cool that's. Fun and to watch
- 17:59Speaker 2: THEM i had more of like a three four On
- 18:04Speaker 2: igminosen and he flashed a bunch like coming forward and
- 18:07Speaker 2: playing the. Run when WHEN i was, WATCHING i, MEAN
- 18:11Speaker 2: i watched so Much Ohio state tape between like McDonald
- 18:14Speaker 2: And reese and downs and styles and Even, Curry LIKE
- 18:18Speaker 2: i was watching so Much Ohio state. Tape Like ignoso
- 18:20Speaker 2: will make some plays and he makes some plays and coverage,
- 18:22Speaker 2: too even though he's very gravvy and he this is
- 18:24Speaker 2: people aren't gonna like. THIS i THINK i remember this.
- 18:25Speaker 2: Correctly for, him they put oven mits on, him similar
- 18:28Speaker 2: to what they did With Kyrie elam a couple of
- 18:30Speaker 2: years ago In, buffalo like just because of how grabby
- 18:33Speaker 2: he is and all the flags that he was drawing
- 18:34Speaker 2: and all these, things and EVEN i double checked it right,
- 18:38Speaker 2: now like they brought in you, know they apparently really
- 18:41Speaker 2: Liked Malik muhammad the corner From. TEXAS i liked him as.
- 18:44Speaker 2: WELL i, Know eric. Did we talked about him in
- 18:46Speaker 2: the film. Room he's still there right. Now you in, theory,
- 18:48Speaker 2: well you've got to see how these next four or
- 18:50Speaker 2: five picks shake out for the third. Round you could
- 18:51Speaker 2: have taken him at one oh, one like you could
- 18:54Speaker 2: have taken a fine.
- 18:55Speaker 1: Corner, heck if you're gonna invest long, term rolled the
- 18:59Speaker 1: dice that, McCoy you figure out some of the health, things, like,
- 19:02Speaker 1: hey if you're going to roll the dice on a
- 19:03Speaker 1: guy we hope doesn't play roll the dice in the
- 19:06Speaker 1: top fifteen talent that maybe we find out just as
- 19:10Speaker 1: a frame of. REFERENCE espn had him as prospect ninety,
- 19:14Speaker 1: one and again we used The ringer last. Night The
- 19:17Speaker 1: ringer had him as prospect ninety. Eight so both of
- 19:20Speaker 1: them as pretty signific more than a round behind where
- 19:25Speaker 1: we took, Him so a full round, later they both
- 19:28Speaker 1: had him as late third round, picks and we traded
- 19:31Speaker 1: up in the second to get.
- 19:32Speaker 2: Him, yeah and you could have Had Malik muhammad to
- 19:35Speaker 2: start round. FOUR i would have even Had Julian neil From,
- 19:39Speaker 2: arkansas the long physical corner who they brought in for
- 19:41Speaker 2: a top. THIRTY i thought he was very likely to
- 19:44Speaker 2: be there the fourth. Round he still is right. Now
- 19:46Speaker 2: granted again you can't guarantee, things BUT i just trading
- 19:50Speaker 2: up for a corner three just kind of made me
- 19:51Speaker 2: scratch my head a little. Bit and you, know again
- 19:54Speaker 2: we talked about like corners get banged, up and it's
- 19:56Speaker 2: premim position guys will probably get. Hurt and being mentioned
- 19:58Speaker 2: that in a. Presser you AND i were talking about this.
- 20:00Speaker 2: Offline he got, Asked i'm, paraphrasing Although i'm sure several
- 20:03Speaker 2: folks in the chat probably watch this and feel free
- 20:07Speaker 2: to correct me If i'm wrong in, Anyway But i'm.
- 20:08Speaker 2: Paraphrasing but essentially somebody, asked being, like you, know with
- 20:12Speaker 2: the other needs on the, roster what made you go
- 20:14Speaker 2: for a corner who's not going to make an? Impact
- 20:16Speaker 2: and his answer essentially was, LIKE i think he will
- 20:19Speaker 2: make an. Impact corners a premium, position and then he
- 20:22Speaker 2: referenced the past couple of seasons them having injuries in
- 20:25Speaker 2: the playoffs to their corners and him not wanting to
- 20:28Speaker 2: have that. Again AND i think IT'S i think it's
- 20:30Speaker 2: a very fair and. UNDERSTANDING i completely get, that like
- 20:34Speaker 2: corners a premium, position you don't you want to have
- 20:36Speaker 2: as much depth and strength there as. POSSIBLE i get.
- 20:38Speaker 2: It but also if that's like not to be a
- 20:41Speaker 2: dick or Play devil's advocate too, hard but like so,
- 20:46Speaker 2: so because your season hasn't ended in the playoffs because
- 20:49Speaker 2: of bad run, defense you're okay with how bad the
- 20:51Speaker 2: run defense has been the past couple of, years or,
- 20:53Speaker 2: like how about the pass rush that goes non existent
- 20:56Speaker 2: in the playoffs to end your season every, year yet
- 20:58Speaker 2: you continue to. SUBSCRIBE i do the same edge archetype
- 21:01Speaker 2: and interior defensive line archetype all the, time SO i
- 21:05Speaker 2: don't understand the changing. There and again we also don't
- 21:09Speaker 2: know to things we don't know to continue saying this,
- 21:12Speaker 2: right like how Much Jim leonard banged the table For
- 21:15Speaker 2: parker or For, Igbunocin and then that's kind of where
- 21:18Speaker 2: we are and what he. Wants and maybe this is
- 21:20Speaker 2: A Jim leonard. GRAB i don't, know but it's just
- 21:23Speaker 2: this is a very similar feeling for me with this hold.
- 21:27Speaker 2: On i'm, SORRY i gotta go. Here the pass rush was,
- 21:30Speaker 2: awesome guys got hurt that god happened in The Von
- 21:32Speaker 2: miller year And bosa was good last year and got.
- 21:35Speaker 2: Hurt show me the year where The bills pass rush was.
- 21:38Speaker 2: Awesome and part of that, Reasoning, yes guy's getting, hurt
- 21:42Speaker 2: but that's also part of. It why you go for different.
- 21:45Speaker 2: Archetypes while you get different, guys you mix up, things
- 21:48Speaker 2: you do things. Differently Von miller got, hurt and he
- 21:51Speaker 2: was the one difference maker they had in the edge
- 21:53Speaker 2: Grouping bosa was sweet last, year he also got. Hurt
- 21:58Speaker 2: if your pass rush come completely falls apart because one
- 22:02Speaker 2: guy gets hurt every, year you don't have a pass.
- 22:04Speaker 2: Rush you don't have. That two guys get. Hurt i'm
- 22:09Speaker 2: not even in the same. Year one guy gets hurt each,
- 22:11Speaker 2: year and your whole thing falls off a cliff and nose.
- 22:13Speaker 2: Dives you don't have an awesome pass. Rush you don't have.
- 22:16Speaker 2: That that means you have a sweet guy who's capable
- 22:19Speaker 2: of doing. Stuff AND i, yeah and.
- 22:22Speaker 1: Even if you add into, that, like it's still very. Flimsy.
- 22:28Speaker 1: Yes so the one super chat from the The benge
- 22:31Speaker 1: list here do you? Think like it made me wonder
- 22:35Speaker 1: is there SOMETHING i don't know about one of the? Guys,
- 22:37Speaker 1: like do is there Is benford Or harrison not a
- 22:41Speaker 1: good fit For Jim, Leonard like the same way THAT
- 22:44Speaker 1: i kind of tease Some patriots fans of like what
- 22:47Speaker 1: the the uh pick that that you know them trading
- 22:52Speaker 1: up for a left tackle With Will? Campbell like what
- 22:55Speaker 1: does it mean? Something is there something else that that
- 22:58Speaker 1: we don't? KNOW i just it's super weird for me
- 23:00Speaker 1: to get my head around a guy that is again
- 23:04Speaker 1: injury insurance or something that's. There it's just like that
- 23:08Speaker 1: that's something THAT i would have been okay in the fourth,
- 23:12Speaker 1: round but that's a fifth round. Pick like that's what
- 23:14Speaker 1: you do in the fifth round is pick, like, hey
- 23:16Speaker 1: who's the best boundary corner left Like Dorin strong was
- 23:20Speaker 1: the year. Before like that's where you pick that is, That,
- 23:22Speaker 1: hey can he play special? Teams can he be our third?
- 23:25Speaker 1: Corner can he he be? Nice staffs to be, like,
- 23:28Speaker 1: hey we have a franchise corner one In. Benford we
- 23:32Speaker 1: invested the first round pick last, Year, like there's no
- 23:35Speaker 1: chance we're not going to do everything in our power
- 23:37Speaker 1: to see if that tandem is the. Tandem it's just
- 23:42Speaker 1: wild to me that that's where the investment.
- 23:45Speaker 2: Was, SORRY i had to keep going back to this
- 23:47Speaker 2: to the person who's, banging how awesome To bill's? Pass russ, Was,
- 23:49Speaker 2: Yes Ed oliver got hurt in early on in the.
- 23:52Speaker 2: Year bosa And. Hoyt you're referencing how good their brush
- 23:55Speaker 2: was against the dumpster fire of The Carolina panthers and
- 23:58Speaker 2: then the horrible offensive line of The, Chiefs and, yes
- 24:01Speaker 2: they look good in those that game and a. Half
- 24:03Speaker 2: that's a two game. Sample. Size that's a two game sample.
- 24:06Speaker 2: Size who knows what would have happened elsewhere when teams
- 24:09Speaker 2: adjusted saw their rush. Plans part of what helped them
- 24:12Speaker 2: When hoyt came back was nobody had a blueprint on
- 24:15Speaker 2: what they were going to do and who they were
- 24:17Speaker 2: going to. Be imagine what would have happened come playoff
- 24:20Speaker 2: time as the sample size got out and teams got
- 24:22Speaker 2: to address what they were going to do a little
- 24:24Speaker 2: bit and go from there and kind of, See, okay
- 24:27Speaker 2: this is what they like to. Do the bills were
- 24:29Speaker 2: running with completely, unfounded non tape study stuff and everything
- 24:34Speaker 2: fell apart in an, Instant and that happens to them
- 24:38Speaker 2: year after. Year even if you want to use this
- 24:41Speaker 2: past year as like the, out it's happened to him
- 24:43Speaker 2: year after. Year the pass rus dies and goes completely
- 24:46Speaker 2: absent when they need them, most and usually against better.
- 24:50Speaker 2: Talent that happens. Regularly and, yeah even the super chap
- 24:53Speaker 2: before PREVIOUSLY i thought there, was, yeah do we not
- 24:56Speaker 2: know something or do they believe in someone we don't believe?
- 24:59Speaker 2: In like MAYBE i think someone said in the in
- 25:02Speaker 2: the comments, room Maybe Javon solomon really is the.
- 25:05Speaker 1: Answer like maybe there just is an incredible amount of
- 25:09Speaker 1: hope that he's that that guy.
- 25:11Speaker 2: And maybe he really can be The edge, Four and
- 25:13Speaker 2: so they're, like you know, What and also to Maybe
- 25:16Speaker 2: hoyt is looking really good from a schedule, Standpoint so
- 25:20Speaker 2: maybe you're sitting there thinking Group, Chubb, Hoyt. Parker it's
- 25:26Speaker 2: funny how those guys are like the safe similar versions
- 25:28Speaker 2: of the same.
- 25:29Speaker 3: Guy, Again i'm always accept The parker pick because of
- 25:34Speaker 3: like you, said Like chub's coming, Off chubb has an injury,
- 25:37Speaker 3: History hoyt's literally coming off an injury like that that,
- 25:41Speaker 3: Part I'm i'm.
- 25:42Speaker 1: Good like, Again i'm not going to rehash our whole discussion.
- 25:46Speaker 1: Earlier i'm, Fine i'm not gonna do. THAT i JUST
- 25:49Speaker 1: i would love to find someone explained to me why
- 25:53Speaker 1: it made sense to Get davis and. Nigmnos it, just.
- 25:56Speaker 2: Yeah that's a big especially with like you need a
- 26:00Speaker 2: nose or a run based interior defender to be a
- 26:03Speaker 2: force multiplier for the rest of the, defense but also
- 26:05Speaker 2: to help free Up Deon walker and let him do
- 26:07Speaker 2: some cool stuff around the, defense but also help your smaller.
- 26:11Speaker 2: Linebackers granted you could still potentially do, that AS i
- 26:14Speaker 2: check right now there is Like Darryl jackson is still
- 26:19Speaker 2: available From Florida. State i'd be cool With Darryl jackson
- 26:22Speaker 2: to lead off the fourth. There i'd be cool with
- 26:25Speaker 2: Ray Sean benny later in the fourth From michigan.
- 26:29Speaker 1: Take From cincinnati's a fun.
- 26:31Speaker 2: Name corleone is when you have a big mafia that everybody.
- 26:35Speaker 2: LIKES i also Like Grayson holton From oklahoma not to
- 26:37Speaker 2: play nos or in.
- 26:38Speaker 1: The different style.
- 26:39Speaker 2: Different, yeah that's also something they have to address on
- 26:42Speaker 2: THE d line because right, now who are you starting
- 26:45Speaker 2: at the? FOUR i is IT. Tj sanders or like
- 26:47Speaker 2: a heavier Land In. JACKSON i think both of those
- 26:49Speaker 2: are big question, marks like and that's my, Thing LIKE
- 26:52Speaker 2: i feel LIKE i feel like the in the interior defensive,
- 26:57Speaker 2: line both in terms of the odd front and even front.
- 26:59Speaker 2: Stuff both of those were bigger needs than corner. Three
- 27:04Speaker 2: THOUGH i do think corner three was a. NEED i
- 27:07Speaker 2: just think you could have Been, yeah you could have
- 27:09Speaker 2: addressed it in another way and also helped yourself in
- 27:13Speaker 2: a bigger fashion or better fashion earlier.
- 27:15Speaker 1: On you want to know who loved the draft picks?
- 27:17Speaker 1: Today the agent Of Bobby okareka Or Shack thompson. Fairy
- 27:24Speaker 1: they really liked the picks. Today Has Jermaine pratt signed?
- 27:27Speaker 1: Anywhere Uh, no the same same. Idea the only player
- 27:31Speaker 1: that signed was did did you tackle who sented with The? Giants? Reader,
- 27:38Speaker 1: yeah that's the only one who, signed like right before
- 27:41Speaker 1: the draft that was of any. Note everybody else is
- 27:44Speaker 1: waiting for the.
- 27:44Speaker 2: Draft i've got on the super. JET i you see
- 27:46Speaker 2: this one From Justin justin neig ever being here of
- 27:48Speaker 2: the super? Jet is it being used a second because
- 27:50Speaker 2: of one? Play but who Cut? Ingram, Yeah, jason appreciate
- 27:55Speaker 2: you being. Here jason, says past us is gonna be
- 27:56Speaker 2: real sweet when we put TWELVE cbs on defense instead
- 27:59Speaker 2: of them all at THE. Qb that's.
- 28:01Speaker 1: Right they won't even know what to. Expect we're going
- 28:02Speaker 1: to have so many cornerback splits in they won't even
- 28:04Speaker 1: know what to.
- 28:05Speaker 2: Expect there was THE i always think back like there
- 28:07Speaker 2: was an episode of THE tv Show Smart guy where
- 28:10Speaker 2: like the not smart brother is playing like a robot
- 28:13Speaker 2: in chess or, no the smart one is the main,
- 28:15Speaker 2: character and so he's like playing with his older brother
- 28:17Speaker 2: who's not good at, chess and so his older brother
- 28:20Speaker 2: like opens up with a move and he's, like why
- 28:21Speaker 2: would you do? That and he's, like, WHAT i can't do.
- 28:23Speaker 2: That he's, like, no you. Can it just doesn't make any.
- 28:25Speaker 2: Sense no one would even understand what to do with.
- 28:27Speaker 2: That and he's, Like, oh that's HOW i can beat
- 28:29Speaker 2: the super. Computer do things that don't make. Sense AND
- 28:31Speaker 2: i thought of that immediately and all, again, like let's
- 28:33Speaker 2: put eleven dbs on the field and the offense would be,
- 28:35Speaker 2: like well do we we rub we what do we do?
- 28:39Speaker 2: Here and it would be the lay of game is
- 28:41Speaker 2: a confusion like. That another one here From picks, Saying
- 28:44Speaker 2: i'm just hoping the pass rush issues have been more
- 28:47Speaker 2: of a systemic issue rather than a playout player, issue
- 28:50Speaker 2: AND i think.
- 28:51Speaker 1: There's a legitimate hope that the scheme will produce, that you,
- 28:55Speaker 1: know strategically and. Intentionally Brandon bean's defense was That Boa
- 29:01Speaker 1: constrictors style of Hey Ben bado, break we bet you
- 29:05Speaker 1: can't do this over and over. Again will will tighten
- 29:09Speaker 1: up in the red zone and you can't do twelve
- 29:12Speaker 1: and thirteen play drives over and over. Again and that
- 29:14Speaker 1: was just the, bet which.
- 29:15Speaker 2: Pass russ that are designed to keep the quarterback in
- 29:17Speaker 2: the pocket not necessary attack or flush and play more
- 29:20Speaker 2: of a safer rush.
- 29:21Speaker 1: Style, yeah, compression compress the, pocket and those. Ideas, obviously
- 29:28Speaker 1: there's been a lot of analysis that those are better
- 29:30Speaker 1: against you, know middling to below average quarterbacks in the regular.
- 29:34Speaker 1: Season when you get quarterbacks who are capable of beating,
- 29:36Speaker 1: that which you're going to see a higher probability of
- 29:38Speaker 1: in the, playoffs it's less. Effective blah blah. BLAH i
- 29:41Speaker 1: think there's a legitimate hope, that, hey we're bringing in
- 29:44Speaker 1: a different style of. Defense it's more, attacking more, aggressive
- 29:47Speaker 1: is going to try to marry coverage and pressure better.
- 29:51Speaker 1: Together AND i think there's a good reason to hope
- 29:55Speaker 1: that we don't know, that we don't know that that's
- 29:58Speaker 1: the way it's going to. Work BUT i think there
- 29:59Speaker 1: was legitimate reasons to hope for. That.
- 30:03Speaker 2: Yeah AND i think even like on that regard like
- 30:06Speaker 2: the pass rush issues, right like the even talking about
- 30:09Speaker 2: kind of WHEN i got frustrated a minute, ago like
- 30:11Speaker 2: the Hot hoyt is a different archetype than what they've had.
- 30:17Speaker 2: Previously hoyt is, oh a little bit in the, edge
- 30:20Speaker 2: a little bit in the a, gap a little bit
- 30:22Speaker 2: off ball can drop into. Coverage he is a departure
- 30:26Speaker 2: from that archetype At oliver is kind of his own
- 30:29Speaker 2: thing because he's an interior, defender but majority of their
- 30:32Speaker 2: edge guys are all in that. Archetype and so NOW
- 30:36Speaker 2: i wonder with still having essentially that same type of
- 30:40Speaker 2: archetype at, EDGE i wonder we will get the, CHANCE
- 30:44Speaker 2: i guess to see if it was systemic rather than,
- 30:47Speaker 2: player because you have the same type of players still
- 30:50Speaker 2: and now if they perk up and things. Change it
- 30:53Speaker 2: really was, like, oh you know, what you just needed
- 30:55Speaker 2: someone to utilize them different or have a different philosophy or,
- 30:57Speaker 2: identity which AGAIN i Love Jim. LEONARD i am very
- 31:00Speaker 2: high on that act on that you, know. HIRING i
- 31:03Speaker 2: think there still is a good possibility that, he you,
- 31:06Speaker 2: know is the tide that, right you, know raises all
- 31:08Speaker 2: boats because of his philosophy and identity and schematics and
- 31:12Speaker 2: all that kind of.
- 31:13Speaker 1: Stuff kmory is pretty sure that we're Getting Grayson halton
- 31:16Speaker 1: And Kyle. Lewis.
- 31:18Speaker 2: HEY i would Take Rason, halton just put him at
- 31:20Speaker 2: the FOUR i and the odds, stuff and then put
- 31:22Speaker 2: him at THREE tech in the. EVENING i take, it,
- 31:25Speaker 2: MAN i you, know what's funny IS i went and
- 31:27Speaker 2: watched more of his tape after you AND i talked last.
- 31:29Speaker 2: NIGHT i am SUPER i MEAN i was already intrigued by.
- 31:31Speaker 2: Him i'm super intrigued By Kyle. LEWIS i don't know
- 31:33Speaker 2: where to put him or what you do with, him
- 31:36Speaker 2: but LIKE i Just i'm a sucker for, like, oh
- 31:39Speaker 2: you're a pretty big athletic, guy, Right like where can
- 31:41Speaker 2: we what can we do with? YOU i just don't
- 31:43Speaker 2: know if they're at the spot WHERE i feel like
- 31:45Speaker 2: that's more of a cool luxury pick than it is
- 31:47Speaker 2: like what they can. Do but go.
- 31:49Speaker 1: Intrigued, Again like with the guy Like Jim, leonard LIKE
- 31:52Speaker 1: i want to give him just fun pieces you can
- 31:55Speaker 1: use For Cillac is there is there a a certain
- 32:00Speaker 1: that he gives, you that he lets you do something
- 32:03Speaker 1: With he was When aaron AND i Had Destin adams
- 32:07Speaker 1: On Kyle lewis is his like draft Day Kyle, Lewis
- 32:13Speaker 1: no matter what that's his guy is that, like, HEY
- 32:16Speaker 1: i want to find a spot to be able to
- 32:18Speaker 1: put him somewhere and make this work and patten. Here
- 32:22Speaker 1: asking Does benford have any safety potential.
- 32:27Speaker 2: Such A i think THAT i think the move from
- 32:29Speaker 2: safety or from corner to safety is a much harder
- 32:31Speaker 2: transition than people give it credit. For AND i also
- 32:34Speaker 2: wouldn't in this, INSTANCE i wouldn't TAKE i Think, benford
- 32:37Speaker 2: you know, what, honestly like there's a chance he could
- 32:40Speaker 2: even though it's just such a harder move than people
- 32:41Speaker 2: give credit. For but he's our best corner.
- 32:43Speaker 1: AND i wouldn't want to and we paid him as
- 32:46Speaker 1: a premium Corner like yeah you. That, yeah, again there
- 32:50Speaker 1: have been a couple like, yes Because Rod woodson And
- 32:53Speaker 1: Charles woodson, did it doesn't mean like it's a smart.
- 32:56Speaker 1: Idea and again because those two have people think that
- 33:00Speaker 1: it happens all the time and it. Doesn't i'm thinking
- 33:02Speaker 1: it does not successfully happen.
- 33:04Speaker 2: On, Woodson Charles, Woodson Malcolm. Jenkins sure with The Saints
- 33:12Speaker 2: ohio recentner and THAT'S i can't think of any, others
- 33:17Speaker 2: like from AN nfl, standpoint like everyone else has been
- 33:19Speaker 2: like you, know this high schooler was a.
- 33:22Speaker 1: Corner sure guy coming out where you weren't sure what
- 33:25Speaker 1: position they was going to, play.
- 33:27Speaker 2: Or even Like sonny styles For Ohio state this, year they're,
- 33:30Speaker 2: like s pretty big, safety how about you be a
- 33:32Speaker 2: sweet athletic linebacker. Network oh and then From justin here
- 33:37Speaker 2: saying Wasn't hancock supposed to be the backup? CORNER i
- 33:40Speaker 2: think we still don't know what the plan is For Jordan.
- 33:44Speaker 2: Hancock if it's the Backup, nickel if IT'S i guess
- 33:47Speaker 2: safety four now maybe, three depending on what they think of.
- 33:52Speaker 1: You know, Something nickel backup safety somewhere is LIKE dB
- 33:57Speaker 1: nine somewhere in that.
- 33:59Speaker 2: Run because they're looking for him to be the new Cam,
- 34:01Speaker 2: lewis which is, like, hey you do a whole bunch
- 34:03Speaker 2: of stuff and wear a whole bunch.
- 34:04Speaker 1: Of teams back up two or three other, spots you're
- 34:06Speaker 1: getting jersey and game. Day. Yep, YEAH i mean, honestly
- 34:09Speaker 1: like If i'm While i'm wallowing and self pity, here
- 34:13Speaker 1: if If Dorian strong doesn't get, hurt none of none
- 34:19Speaker 1: of this was necessary or probably. Haven't like if it
- 34:25Speaker 1: works out, that, like, WELL i go back further.
- 34:31Speaker 2: The corner that was promised in the.
- 34:32Speaker 1: Nineties, yeah If strong's neck is, good like he showed
- 34:36Speaker 1: really nice flashes and would have been like a really
- 34:39Speaker 1: nice depth piece and, like, hey we got three young
- 34:41Speaker 1: corners were in good shape and the we're only looking
- 34:44Speaker 1: at a nickel kind of. Piece what do you? Do all,
- 34:49Speaker 1: Right so let's try to give the people something to cling.
- 34:54Speaker 1: For i'm going to bring, up, uh some of the
- 34:57Speaker 1: best available. Here let him. Know the good news is
- 35:01Speaker 1: we do have three picks in the fourth round and
- 35:05Speaker 1: then another two picks in the fifth. Round so like
- 35:10Speaker 1: that's a really nice day, Three, uh you, know kind
- 35:13Speaker 1: of war chest here to be able to try to
- 35:16Speaker 1: get something. Done so as we look at some of the,
- 35:19Speaker 1: spots we'll look at some of the positions we haven't
- 35:21Speaker 1: touched on yet and a little bit on what we have,
- 35:25Speaker 1: left and you can let the folks know who you
- 35:28Speaker 1: would be most. Interested and so obviously nobody really knows
- 35:30Speaker 1: what's going on With jamal.
- 35:32Speaker 2: McCoy crazy that he's still there in round, Four like
- 35:35Speaker 2: it's like just at what point one people had him over, Delay,
- 35:40Speaker 2: yeah like because of his his twenty twenty four tape
- 35:42Speaker 2: and so on and so, Forth like man like that
- 35:46Speaker 2: is he's gotta there's got to be something seriously, wrong
- 35:49Speaker 2: like his knee must have not checked the medicals in
- 35:53Speaker 2: a in a huge.
- 35:54Speaker 1: Way we wrapped up while we were. Going The dolphins
- 35:58Speaker 1: Got Chris. Bell, oh that's.
- 36:01Speaker 2: Fun they also Got Jacob rodriguez was gonna make a
- 36:05Speaker 2: lot of bills.
- 36:06Speaker 1: Fans Ed hurst went to The buccaneers right After Dominique.
- 36:10Speaker 1: ORANGE i. TRIED i literally turned MY tv off after
- 36:13Speaker 1: The Dominie corange pick and finished U. Beck so nothing
- 36:16Speaker 1: else of, huge you, know Although Jennings dunker and his
- 36:20Speaker 1: glorious hair going to The steelers and staying black and
- 36:23Speaker 1: yellow is. Great i'm happy for, that all, Right so best,
- 36:27Speaker 1: Available let's look at some of the positions that we
- 36:29Speaker 1: talked about that we haven't picked at. Yet so you
- 36:31Speaker 1: already touched on a couple of the defensive tackles, here
- 36:35Speaker 1: did you look at Any Xaviien? Harris just ALL i
- 36:37Speaker 1: care about is, like oh six eight three. Thirty that
- 36:41Speaker 1: thus ends my knowledge Of Xaviien harris other than the
- 36:43Speaker 1: fact that he's, enormous you.
- 36:45Speaker 2: Know WHAT i did? Not he almost had like a
- 36:48Speaker 2: size THAT i like that scared me off THAT i was, like,
- 36:51Speaker 2: no that can't be something like, worthwhile and SO i did.
- 36:54Speaker 1: Not we already got lucky once with With Dan. Walker
- 36:57Speaker 1: we can't roll. That di.
- 37:00Speaker 2: AND i hit so many other like defensive, tackles AND
- 37:03Speaker 2: i was Like, okay this guy, Works this guy, Works
- 37:05Speaker 2: this guy. Works so, YEAH i did not look At
- 37:08Speaker 2: HARRIS I i IF i were looking at defensive say
- 37:11Speaker 2: we go defensive. Tackle i'm REALLY i would Take Daryl
- 37:15Speaker 2: jackson from From Florida. State yeah the trend and pull
- 37:20Speaker 2: up my yeah nine so. Funny some of his measurables are.
- 37:24Speaker 2: Crazy uh six five and three, eighths three hundred and fifteen,
- 37:28Speaker 2: pounds ninety second percentile arm length ninety, ninth wingspan ninety,
- 37:32Speaker 2: seventh hand size ninety fourth for, height two hundred and
- 37:35Speaker 2: fifty one career. Snaps that knows just really active hands
- 37:39Speaker 2: lengths mitigates. Displacement he is more Just i'm gonna muddy,
- 37:43Speaker 2: Gaps i'm gonna muck things. Up i'm gonna close line, gaps,
- 37:46Speaker 2: close squeeze. Everything he's more, pure, pure like two down
- 37:52Speaker 2: type of. GUY i don't think he has the upside
- 37:54Speaker 2: that McDonald Or miller. HAD i Liked orange more than,
- 37:57Speaker 2: him but, again these guys are all off the, board spilled.
- 37:59Speaker 2: Milk it is what it. IS i would Take Darryl
- 38:02Speaker 2: jackson there EVEN i don't Mind Ray Shawn beny defensive
- 38:05Speaker 2: tackle as well From Michigan.
- 38:06Speaker 1: Michigan, yeah am uh, MG i don't know which m
- 38:13Speaker 1: the g there you, go M, yeah, okay The broncos
- 38:17Speaker 1: didn't have a real nose tackle like, that like the
- 38:20Speaker 1: traditional style or type, there you, know but.
- 38:25Speaker 2: They Had they may not have had huge, dudes but
- 38:28Speaker 2: LIKE J. Jones, yeah we WANTED Dj jones for The,
- 38:31Speaker 2: bills LIKE dj it. So and also that's actually a
- 38:34Speaker 2: good point about Nose AND i don't know if you
- 38:37Speaker 2: necessarily mean it this, way so apologies If i'm.
- 38:39Speaker 1: Wait isn't the number?
- 38:40Speaker 2: One, yes it's not. Size they don't have to be
- 38:44Speaker 2: six to three twenty. Pounds it could be A i
- 38:47Speaker 2: hate to bring this. Up it could Be Poon afford.
- 38:51Speaker 2: Whatever uh, yeah it's About it's about more of the play,
- 38:55Speaker 2: style block, recognition understanding where a double team is, coming
- 38:58Speaker 2: let me drop the, knee reduced surface, area be able
- 39:01Speaker 2: to anchor mitigate, displacement muck things. Up it does not
- 39:04Speaker 2: have to be a goliath or a. Monster. Again, ironically you,
- 39:09Speaker 2: Know Dion walker is a mountain of a. Man he
- 39:11Speaker 2: doesn't play that run bas. Plugger, Nope he's a finesse
- 39:15Speaker 2: type of. Guy he's he plays Like Ed, oliver even
- 39:18Speaker 2: though he's, huge so Dj jones smaller type of interior,
- 39:23Speaker 2: guy but he plays a good, run defense and mitigation
- 39:27Speaker 2: type of. Style also helps that he can move and
- 39:29Speaker 2: do a whole bunch of, stuff which is again WHY
- 39:31Speaker 2: i THINK i think everybody on our brand last year
- 39:34Speaker 2: wanted him as like a top free.
- 39:35Speaker 1: Agent oh, yeah an interesting question here That i'm actually
- 39:40Speaker 1: on board. With just purely for, me it's it's only
- 39:43Speaker 1: from a roster construction and cheap backup, guy because no
- 39:48Speaker 1: quarterback Is Josh. Allen SO i don't want to pay
- 39:50Speaker 1: someone money to not Be Josh allen WHEN i can
- 39:52Speaker 1: have someone for cheap to not Be Josh allen AND
- 39:54Speaker 1: i won't. Lie Drew aller was the guy THAT i
- 39:58Speaker 1: wanted on day three to be, Like, hey if going
- 40:00Speaker 1: to pick a guy like, you must well make it
- 40:01Speaker 1: a guy who looks Like josh light like you just
- 40:04Speaker 1: let him go be the Backup Taylor green would be
- 40:08Speaker 1: a fun one to. Have just from a freak athleticism,
- 40:12Speaker 1: standpoint there's a piece of me that, wonders, like, hey last,
- 40:16Speaker 1: year Cag klubnick was supposed to be like a top
- 40:18Speaker 1: ten pick and like that just went completely. Sideways i've
- 40:22Speaker 1: heard people rave About Cole. Payton, Obviously i've heard a
- 40:26Speaker 1: lot of people, talk you, Know Garrett nestmayer again similar To,
- 40:29Speaker 1: klubnick was supposed to be a big. DEAL i don't.
- 40:31Speaker 1: Care none of these guys Are Josh, allen but they're all,
- 40:34Speaker 1: cheap and if we can get cheap for four, Years
- 40:36Speaker 1: i'm fine with. THAT i purely want it for the
- 40:38Speaker 1: cellar cap.
- 40:39Speaker 2: BARBITRAGE I i wanted to draft like a day three
- 40:43Speaker 2: quarterback as the backup for, years just to have consistency
- 40:46Speaker 2: and get out of the cycle of, like, hey the
- 40:49Speaker 2: backup is just really good friends With Josh. ALLEN i
- 40:51Speaker 2: would like to move away from, that and, yeah, selfishly
- 40:55Speaker 2: give me somebody that'll make me enjoy the preseason offense
- 40:58Speaker 2: more When alan's not. Playing SO i would Take Taylor.
- 41:01Speaker 2: GREEN i actually Like Cole, payton the Lefty North Dakota.
- 41:05Speaker 2: STATE i watched him just by proxy because of watching
- 41:10Speaker 2: all The Bryce lance, tape and they you, know it's
- 41:12Speaker 2: A North Kota state runs a wonky offense and there's
- 41:15Speaker 2: not a lot of progression types of like spread and
- 41:17Speaker 2: wide receiver options. Everywhere but he's just. FUN i would
- 41:20Speaker 2: literally take a guy who just gets me excited from
- 41:24Speaker 2: a preseason, standpoint and maybe adds a little something extra
- 41:27Speaker 2: pre regular, season because to your, point If Josh allen goes,
- 41:29Speaker 2: down the bills are. Done Club nick is. Interesting this
- 41:33Speaker 2: gonna sound so. Petty in Watching clemson, Games Kate clubnick
- 41:36Speaker 2: is the quarterback who ducks out of bounds and then
- 41:41Speaker 2: trash talks the defenders who tried to hit him as
- 41:43Speaker 2: he ducked. Out i'm, like you can't do, that you ducked,
- 41:45Speaker 2: out you can't run your, mouth and SO i hate
- 41:48Speaker 2: him because of.
- 41:48Speaker 1: THAT i respect. HIM i think it's just as fault.
- 41:53Speaker 1: Here he is a FORMER dc fan and now proud
- 41:56Speaker 1: builds MY fia. MEMBER i feel LIKE i went from
- 41:57Speaker 1: one HORRIBLE gm to. ANOTHER i appreciate this means it's his,
- 42:00Speaker 1: Fault like you brought, this you did, this you did.
- 42:03Speaker 1: This it is your fault for.
- 42:05Speaker 2: Sure why would you do this to? Us? Selfish? Rude but,
- 42:09Speaker 2: no it's it's just the WAY i. ACTUALLY i, MEAN
- 42:12Speaker 2: i think more often than, not it's just hard to
- 42:15Speaker 2: be good in, sports and it's hard TO.
- 42:18Speaker 1: I bring it up all the. Time Howie roseman's. Awesome
- 42:21Speaker 1: he's genuinely GREAT. Gm he also Picked Jalen rager one
- 42:24Speaker 1: pick Before Justin, Jefferson this stuff's, hard it's.
- 42:28Speaker 2: Hard and we even talked about what was the the
- 42:30Speaker 2: joke we made last, night like the baseball batting average
- 42:32Speaker 2: is probably good FOR gms and that, like oh hit three,
- 42:35Speaker 2: Hundred oh so you failed seven out of ten, Times
- 42:37Speaker 2: you're damn, right AND i had a great time doing.
- 42:39Speaker 2: It like that's what thing looks.
- 42:41Speaker 1: Like Justin tindall, saying Here's Skyler. Bell we're lying On
- 42:45Speaker 1: palmer playing not. More BUT i do think the one
- 42:48Speaker 1: position and the probably the most excited about getting somebody
- 42:53Speaker 1: tomorrow is Between Skyler, Bell Elijah, Surratt Bryce, lance Even Jeff,
- 42:58Speaker 1: Caldwell LIKE.
- 42:59Speaker 2: I old, Guys Brendan, Thompson Dion, Burg like there's a
- 43:03Speaker 2: lot of fun, Potential.
- 43:05Speaker 1: So like one of the FOURTH rownd picks being one
- 43:08Speaker 1: of these, guys give me our part, returner give me
- 43:09Speaker 1: a fun you, know gadgety fast guy or one of the, big,
- 43:14Speaker 1: tall fast guys Like Brice, Lancter Jeff, Goldwell, LIKE i
- 43:18Speaker 1: feel pretty good that we're gonna be able to get
- 43:20Speaker 1: a wide. Receiver that could be kind of. Fun so
- 43:23Speaker 1: that ONE i probably feel the least heartbroken. By ALTHOUGH
- 43:26Speaker 1: i would have Minded Chris bill Ted hurst if we
- 43:28Speaker 1: could have figured one of those.
- 43:30Speaker 2: Out YEAH i. HAD i have a solid fourth On Skyler.
- 43:35Speaker 2: BELL i don't like him as much as other folks.
- 43:38Speaker 2: Do he's been a popular one that everyone like anytime.
- 43:42Speaker 1: Couse their fantasy guy is a huge SKY i.
- 43:45Speaker 2: Know eric likes. HIM i just always get comments on
- 43:47Speaker 2: like any social of like Get Skyther bell Gets. Kyther i'm,
- 43:51Speaker 2: like damn like Every bills fan is all Every bills.
- 43:53Speaker 2: FAN i feel like it's about The, bells Like Chris
- 43:55Speaker 2: bell And Skyler. Bell it was always one of those.
- 43:57Speaker 2: Two But i'm fine With Skyler bell in round. Four,
- 44:01Speaker 2: YEAH i you, know Even sarat even though he's more
- 44:04Speaker 2: like of the bigger body type of outside guy we've had,
- 44:07Speaker 2: before But i'll take it at this. POINT i Really
- 44:11Speaker 2: i'm a sucker for juice and, speed and so whether
- 44:14Speaker 2: It's burks Or lance is so, interesting right because he's
- 44:17Speaker 2: got the size the.
- 44:19Speaker 1: Three running the four three four is yild.
- 44:21Speaker 2: And he just looks he looks on tape like what he,
- 44:26Speaker 2: should which is like the guy who's the clear best
- 44:28Speaker 2: guy on the, field faster than everybody better than, everybody
- 44:30Speaker 2: and you're just, Like, okay how much of that will
- 44:32Speaker 2: translate when you're playing against better. Guys Brendan thompson is
- 44:36Speaker 2: fun as hell From.
- 44:37Speaker 1: Misschutts that was the question we had With Christian benford
- 44:40Speaker 1: coming From Yukon. Fair it was, like, well it looks,
- 44:42Speaker 1: awesome but it's supposed to look. Awesome you're supposed to
- 44:44Speaker 1: be better than, everybody your.
- 44:45Speaker 2: Guardian, yeah and THEN i remember WATCHING i remember Watching
- 44:48Speaker 2: yukon Versus Penn state And Johan dotson Ate benford up
- 44:52Speaker 2: the first play of the. Game he turns him out
- 44:53Speaker 2: of his shoes And i'm, like, oh, great he can't
- 44:55Speaker 2: defend good. Talent and then the next THING i, Know
- 44:57Speaker 2: Johan dotson isn't what we thought And Christian bedford is
- 45:00Speaker 2: kind of. Sweet so it's funny how that worked. Out but,
- 45:01Speaker 2: yeah there's there's good receivers to the point that they
- 45:06Speaker 2: could probably not take one at one oh.
- 45:08Speaker 1: One, Yeah i'm playing with the best guy left it
- 45:11Speaker 1: the twenty five we, had because we have one twenty,
- 45:12Speaker 1: five one twenty, six So i'm fine with whoever the
- 45:15Speaker 1: best guy left at twenty five twenty six.
- 45:17Speaker 2: Is, YEAH i think there's a good chance that even
- 45:20Speaker 2: if you're looking at like if you want to keep
- 45:22Speaker 2: this as the top six receivers, HERE i think there's
- 45:25Speaker 2: a good chance these top, six one of them is
- 45:27Speaker 2: there at one twenty, five AND i would BE i
- 45:30Speaker 2: would be fine to take one of those that's somewhat,
- 45:32Speaker 2: exciting and then they'll do. Something they'll take they'll.
- 45:34Speaker 1: Out Here Week young From. Georgia we talked About Kyle.
- 45:37Speaker 1: Lewis we talked earlier with different people about like what
- 45:40Speaker 1: even Is Harold Perkins? Junior but Like I'm i'm okay finding,
- 45:44Speaker 1: Out like is he a? THING i? Know? Again another
- 45:47Speaker 1: guy That i've Seen eric and some others talk, about of,
- 45:50Speaker 1: uh that could be. Something Jack kelly crazy wild rankings
- 45:55Speaker 1: of where he is.
- 45:56Speaker 2: Considered Sean elliott is. Another he's low for ES, pm
- 46:00Speaker 2: But Keshawn elliott From Arizona state is Cool. Burdock you.
- 46:05Speaker 2: See my thought now with any linebacker that they're going
- 46:08Speaker 2: to take now at this point is more like. IT
- 46:14Speaker 2: i feel like it the best option. Now y are
- 46:18Speaker 2: a lot of short air, quickness still learning to play the.
- 46:20Speaker 2: POSITION i think you just started playing linebacker on like
- 46:23Speaker 2: twenty twenty two or twenty twenty. Three it's a similar
- 46:25Speaker 2: story with Like Jacob rodriguez for, Him but now my thought, is,
- 46:28Speaker 2: okay you Have, bernard you would you'd like the other
- 46:32Speaker 2: linebacker to be more of a downhill. Thumper does it
- 46:34Speaker 2: make more sense at this point to just roll With
- 46:36Speaker 2: Dorian williams as your starter next To Terrell? Bernard and that's,
- 46:39Speaker 2: It like are you gonna so what what do you
- 46:41Speaker 2: look for in? Linebacker is it more? Athlete is it
- 46:43Speaker 2: still downhill? Thumper blitzing, coverage edge, rush you, know box
- 46:48Speaker 2: fitting a gap THE c gap linebacker is like kind
- 46:51Speaker 2: of muddy. Now and all those all those dudes went
- 46:54Speaker 2: early after The bills Took, PARKER i, Mean trotter, went you,
- 46:59Speaker 2: know when everybody was, Gone rodriguez, went and Then hill
- 47:03Speaker 2: was the one who lasted the. LONGEST i can't Believe
- 47:04Speaker 2: Carson beck went in the third.
- 47:06Speaker 1: Round, yeah first pick of the third round.
- 47:08Speaker 2: As A Miami hurricane lover and watch. HER i am
- 47:13Speaker 2: shocked by this. News, Yeah and then that was the
- 47:15Speaker 2: rumor like for a week where everybody was, like don't
- 47:18Speaker 2: be surprised If Carson beck moves, up AND i was, like,
- 47:20Speaker 2: man his agent is doing overtime trying to get everybody
- 47:23Speaker 2: to pump this, story and it was, like, no it's.
- 47:25Speaker 1: Real. Yeah the fact That Anthony hill fell all the
- 47:29Speaker 1: way to pick sixty was it was a bit of a, suppress.
- 47:31Speaker 2: Right that The rams going with another tight End Max,
- 47:34Speaker 2: CLAIRE i thought was really. Funny all that's alsost like
- 47:36Speaker 2: a safety. TWO i would have taken, there LIKE i
- 47:38Speaker 2: would have Taken Bud clark Over egmanosen.
- 47:42Speaker 1: And yeah safety at our next. PICK i would have
- 47:45Speaker 1: totally got my head. Around. Again it might not have
- 47:47Speaker 1: been the ONE i would have, picked BUT i was,
- 47:49Speaker 1: like all, RIGHT i mean that was on my list
- 47:51Speaker 1: of one of the top. PRIORITIES i totally get. It
- 47:53Speaker 1: if they made that, work it would have been totally, fine.
- 47:57Speaker 2: Especially with the corners that are still. There like, again
- 48:00Speaker 2: you can never guarantee, it but Like Malik muhammad is
- 48:02Speaker 2: available right now the corner From, texas AND i, LIKE
- 48:06Speaker 2: i think he him still being there is great considering
- 48:09Speaker 2: the grade THAT i had on. Him move hit the
- 48:12Speaker 2: arrow over to there you, go and the bills brought
- 48:15Speaker 2: him in for a thirty. Visit Malik muhamad right there
- 48:18Speaker 2: number three From. TEXAS i and he's also like a press,
- 48:24Speaker 2: guy a physical guy LIKE.
- 48:26Speaker 1: Espn had him twenty six picks higher Than gigminissen and just.
- 48:31Speaker 2: A dude with a lot of good, tape played against good,
- 48:34Speaker 2: receivers played him. Well is not grabbys. Athletic he's twitchy's bursted,
- 48:38Speaker 2: up AND i feel like you could have had him
- 48:41Speaker 2: here at one oh one and then done something vastly
- 48:43Speaker 2: different At but again that's, hindsight and it's hard to
- 48:47Speaker 2: judge people off that and know like who's going to
- 48:51Speaker 2: be there versus wasn't that edge? Grouping now though edge
- 48:54Speaker 2: grouping really thinned, out so LIKE i understood.
- 48:56Speaker 1: That one dropped off That parker makes more sense now
- 48:59Speaker 1: seeing seeing, that and again it was always one of
- 49:02Speaker 1: the pieces. There so you, know let's, hope you, know
- 49:05Speaker 1: we get de, tackle, linebacker, safety, wide, receiver give me
- 49:09Speaker 1: three of those four those four of the next picks
- 49:12Speaker 1: in order here and uh hopefully we get a couple
- 49:15Speaker 1: of hits and.
- 49:16Speaker 2: They're gonna go tight, end, center corner.
- 49:20Speaker 1: Again running, back running, back, Back, uh find me a full,
- 49:28Speaker 1: back find me A Reggie. Gilliam all, Right, ANTHONY i
- 49:32Speaker 1: HAVE i have nothing else to.
- 49:34Speaker 2: Give, Yeah i'm just trying to man the Cam morty
- 49:39Speaker 2: with the tokyo to.
- 49:39Speaker 1: Again i'm shocked him saying, this But i'm fully out on.
- 49:42Speaker 1: Bean he continues to make every. MOVE i hoped he.
- 49:45Speaker 1: Wouldn't why we kept him is beyond. ME i saw
- 49:48Speaker 1: a couple of. Weight did we fire the wrong? GUY
- 49:51Speaker 1: i said all, along LIKE, I i either wanted them
- 49:53Speaker 1: both to stay or both to. GO i never understood
- 49:55Speaker 1: why one would stay and one would get. Fired they
- 49:57Speaker 1: were tied. TOGETHER i would have waited one more. YEAR
- 50:00Speaker 1: i would not have fired. Them i'm fine acknowledging THAT
- 50:03Speaker 1: i was okay with. IT i got. IT i still
- 50:06Speaker 1: don't get why one would get.
- 50:07Speaker 2: FIRED i just thought there was too too much blood
- 50:11Speaker 2: on each of their. Hands LIKE i didn't think it
- 50:14Speaker 2: was one of the.
- 50:14Speaker 1: All the, success which was great success like, that you,
- 50:18Speaker 1: know second best run in our franchise. History lots of successful,
- 50:23Speaker 1: things and consistent butting your head against the same glass
- 50:28Speaker 1: ceiling and that. Accountability you should have been. Consistent, yeah
- 50:32Speaker 1: and both of, Them both of them would have got
- 50:34Speaker 1: jobs again like being probably would have been an ASSISTANT gm,
- 50:37Speaker 1: somewhere probably not directly into the top. Chair BUT i
- 50:40Speaker 1: feel pretty Certain vicderm is going to get a shot
- 50:43Speaker 1: as a head coach somewhere next, year and it's, fine
- 50:48Speaker 1: AND i won't root against, Them like if if Mcderm
- 50:51Speaker 1: i've told all my friends here In cleveland that they'll
- 50:53Speaker 1: be really lucky if they get someone Like sean mcdermaler
- 50:56Speaker 1: to come in to build their program and like raise
- 50:58Speaker 1: the floor of their. Organization, uh they'd be lucky to
- 51:02Speaker 1: find someone like.
- 51:03Speaker 2: Him, yeah so they.
- 51:04Speaker 1: Were they were.
- 51:04Speaker 2: EQUALLY i thought each significantly, culpable culpable in the success
- 51:08Speaker 2: and the shortcomings of this. Team and and As Alpha
- 51:11Speaker 2: crow and the comments pointed, out Yeah bean didn't, stay
- 51:13Speaker 2: he got. Promoted that is. True so, YEAH i don key.
- 51:17Speaker 1: Differentiation.
- 51:19Speaker 2: UH i will always come back to at the press
- 51:22Speaker 2: Or Terry pagoula at the end when he was, like,
- 51:27Speaker 2: oh you, know it's not a roster, issue it's a
- 51:29Speaker 2: it was a coaching. Issue and they were, like, oh you,
- 51:31Speaker 2: know how do you decide for these shortcomings if it's
- 51:34Speaker 2: a roster issue or a coaching. Issue and he's, like
- 51:36Speaker 2: that's a really hard question to. ANSWER i don't have
- 51:38Speaker 2: an answer for. That i'm, like but you made the
- 51:40Speaker 2: decision off an.
- 51:41Speaker 1: Answer you literally just answered.
- 51:43Speaker 2: It what do you mean you don't you don't have
- 51:45Speaker 2: any idea how to parse that because you made the.
- 51:48Speaker 2: Decision but, yeah, here here we. Are we gotta we
- 51:50Speaker 2: gotta dance with who brought? Us and who brought? Us
- 51:53Speaker 2: Is Brandon bean at the stage And Joe brady AND
- 51:56Speaker 2: i even think out of that super. CHAT i, AGAIN
- 51:58Speaker 2: I I'M i don't want this to come off like
- 52:02Speaker 2: the wrong. Way ken AND i were talking about this
- 52:03Speaker 2: this bit previous. Offseason for this, OFFSEASON i should, say you,
- 52:08Speaker 2: Know i'm not in THE. Nfl i'm not AN NFL,
- 52:10Speaker 2: Gm i'm not a, scout. Right these guys will know
- 52:13Speaker 2: infinitely more football and evaluation THAN i ever. Will BUT
- 52:16Speaker 2: i would just like a draft where they make picks
- 52:20Speaker 2: where the Majority i'm, like, SWEET i get, it or
- 52:24Speaker 2: OH i like that or. This it just seems more
- 52:26Speaker 2: often than not they make picks or bring in free
- 52:29Speaker 2: agents Where i'm more like, huh or it's very like
- 52:33Speaker 2: A Jason bateman In Arrested development or anybody with ann
- 52:37Speaker 2: where like oh her her, like and that's kind of
- 52:41Speaker 2: WHERE i. Feel and more often than, not those guys
- 52:43Speaker 2: don't work, out and it's.
- 52:44Speaker 1: Frustrating, yeah the need to be the smartest guy in
- 52:47Speaker 1: the room can be. Frustrating AND i will say there
- 52:50Speaker 1: is there is value in the you, know kind of
- 52:55Speaker 1: the knowledge of the, crowd wisdom of the, crowd because
- 52:59Speaker 1: you look at the success of the consensus big boards
- 53:02Speaker 1: when you aggregate the top three hundred, altogether all of a,
- 53:05Speaker 1: sudden those actually have a much higher hit rate of
- 53:10Speaker 1: where things land overall because you take out loud of
- 53:13Speaker 1: the noise of where some of the other things. Fall
- 53:15Speaker 1: and there are some teams that draft pretty directly from.
- 53:21Speaker 1: That like you see all the time when people talk, about,
- 53:23Speaker 1: oh The ravens are The, eagles they just always have
- 53:25Speaker 1: this guy fall in their. Lap it's because they take
- 53:28Speaker 1: the best guy, Available like they take the guy generally
- 53:31Speaker 1: considered the best guy available at the, spot and that
- 53:35Speaker 1: works out like it's it's.
- 53:38Speaker 2: Yeah IT'S i like the way you said kind OF
- 53:41Speaker 2: i was thinking this earlier AND i was, like, WELL
- 53:43Speaker 2: i could be off based with. This, yeah just it
- 53:44Speaker 2: seems like being does make picks where he tries to
- 53:48Speaker 2: like be the smartest guy in the room or outthink the,
- 53:50Speaker 2: consensus or out like make the pick for the sake
- 53:52Speaker 2: of making the smart. Pick that it's just like you didn't,
- 53:56Speaker 2: Have like certain things are just, easy like take take.
- 54:00Speaker 2: That sometimes the low hanging fruit is the fruit you should.
- 54:02Speaker 1: Take and it makes, sense like tight next year said
- 54:05Speaker 1: they take the obvious. Guy, yeah and that's half the.
- 54:08Speaker 1: Time that's WHAT I roofer was, like can we just
- 54:10Speaker 1: take the guy that everybody was, like all, right, well
- 54:13Speaker 1: it's got to be. Him so like, tonight that would
- 54:15Speaker 1: have been starting With caden McDonald and kid McDonald might
- 54:19Speaker 1: not be a. Superstar he might be a run defense
- 54:22Speaker 1: only defensive tackle who never developed sin pass rush and
- 54:26Speaker 1: is just a good run defender and that's all he ever.
- 54:29Speaker 1: Is and it wouldn't have been a great, pick but
- 54:31Speaker 1: it would have been a pick that Everyone everyone would
- 54:34Speaker 1: have been, like all, right, well that was obviously the
- 54:36Speaker 1: pick we're going to. Get we probably would have taken
- 54:38Speaker 1: him at twenty, six and it said we got all
- 54:39Speaker 1: the other stuff we trade down to get him at thirty,
- 54:41Speaker 1: five and everyone would have walked away from that being
- 54:44Speaker 1: like all, right, man all, right, cool we got value
- 54:47Speaker 1: plus the guy we were going to take, anyways and
- 54:49Speaker 1: then it picked sixty two, again whether it Was Bud
- 54:52Speaker 1: clark or whether it was trying to think like who.
- 54:55Speaker 2: Would make maybe ANOTHER i really Like Kieran, crawford but
- 55:00Speaker 2: we already took an edge With, parker But crawford was
- 55:02Speaker 2: still there From. Auburn he went to The raiders like
- 55:04Speaker 2: five picks later at sixty. Seven, heck if.
- 55:06Speaker 1: We're, going LIKE i, said if you're gonna use assets
- 55:09Speaker 1: to trade, up which we, did trade, up and time
- 55:12Speaker 1: to Get Anthony Hill, junior trade, up and time to
- 55:14Speaker 1: Get emmanuel McNeil. Warren like that's what you built THE
- 55:18Speaker 1: ammo if you liked one of Golden, ers cGy allen or.
- 55:21Speaker 1: Whoever it was like guys that were kind of falling D'Angel,
- 55:23Speaker 1: Pounds like if you're gonna trade up to get a,
- 55:25Speaker 1: corner trade up and time to get, pounds and then,
- 55:28Speaker 1: hey we got a nickel of the. Future like there
- 55:31Speaker 1: just were opportunities to be able to do that and
- 55:34Speaker 1: to get guys where all of a, sudden everybody's, like all,
- 55:36Speaker 1: right like this is, great and you want to What
- 55:38Speaker 1: we don't know if we're right or wrong, now LIKE.
- 55:41Speaker 1: Tj parker And Davidson igmunosen might be awesome and this
- 55:44Speaker 1: might end up looking silly later, on but that could
- 55:48Speaker 1: happen either. Way the fact that you pick guys that
- 55:52Speaker 1: are generally by a larger group of informed people considered
- 55:57Speaker 1: to be the better, Picks like that really does work
- 56:00Speaker 1: out more, often there is, more there is wisdom in
- 56:03Speaker 1: those crowds of who's doing Those, hey great one a
- 56:07Speaker 1: perfect example By bill's fans have an a for. You
- 56:10Speaker 1: But Osius torrance was the obvious pick and it. Worked
- 56:13Speaker 1: that was a great. Call like that is the exact
- 56:15Speaker 1: kind of thing where it's like and it wasn't super
- 56:18Speaker 1: exciting or like people. Celebrated was, like oh, WELL i
- 56:22Speaker 1: was kind of prepared for the fact we might pick
- 56:23Speaker 1: him in the first and we got him in the.
- 56:24Speaker 1: Second all, right all, right, Cool And i'll even give
- 56:28Speaker 1: one that didn't turn out the way people think but
- 56:32Speaker 1: also was consistently. Good that was a J vanessa like
- 56:36Speaker 1: the year of This Stefon diggs, Draft like he was
- 56:39Speaker 1: looked to be at a first round pick and he
- 56:40Speaker 1: fell and we got him in a late second and, like,
- 56:43Speaker 1: no he was never a, superstar but he was, Good
- 56:46Speaker 1: like he was a consistently good player and like had
- 56:49Speaker 1: value for us and those kind of things to, me
- 56:56Speaker 1: was the best available we are. NOT i don't.
- 56:59Speaker 2: Care it's it's that like he wasn't the best. AVAILABLE
- 57:04Speaker 2: i even if you had to go, CORNER i don't
- 57:06Speaker 2: think he was the best corner. Available and then there
- 57:08Speaker 2: were other needs that one's just, YEAH i just find
- 57:10Speaker 2: myself with being there's just moves where you're just, like,
- 57:14Speaker 2: ah like what, Why LIKE i don't like it's one
- 57:17Speaker 2: of those moves where you're, like he makes a lot
- 57:20Speaker 2: of moves where you're, like, WELL i need to see
- 57:21Speaker 2: the press conference BECAUSE i need to hear the. RATIONALE
- 57:24Speaker 2: i need to know, why and THAT i feel like
- 57:27Speaker 2: that happens too. Much you shouldn't need to do that
- 57:30Speaker 2: so much To it's like like if a joke is,
- 57:33Speaker 2: funny it's. Funny if you have to explain why the
- 57:35Speaker 2: joke is, funny it's not a funny.
- 57:37Speaker 1: Joke And i'll use the example like, obviously one of
- 57:41Speaker 1: my most famous crash outs was when we had done
- 57:44Speaker 1: all the work of Why Creed humphrey was such a
- 57:47Speaker 1: prototypical bill with like the wrestling background and the camouflage
- 57:51Speaker 1: hat and the uh like, TOO i Got god, first
- 57:55Speaker 1: and like we needed the position and we needed like
- 57:58Speaker 1: he just checked everybody like he was like if you
- 58:02Speaker 1: created A sean McDermott player in a, lab like he
- 58:06Speaker 1: checked every possible box and we had already taken an
- 58:11Speaker 1: edge and like the first pick in that draft was
- 58:14Speaker 1: already a defensive end and then to come back and
- 58:18Speaker 1: be like what, wait we took it instead of the
- 58:22Speaker 1: guy who was the obvious fit and like easily the
- 58:25Speaker 1: best available player on the, board and like everybody would
- 58:28Speaker 1: have been running up and be, like oh my, GOD
- 58:30Speaker 1: i can't believe you failed to. Us this is, unbelievable
- 58:33Speaker 1: and we, Didn't and we took a guy that again
- 58:38Speaker 1: might have been a fine, player but like was like
- 58:41Speaker 1: was wasn't gonna? Play like was just gonna Be it
- 58:45Speaker 1: was Just AND i just, again Maybe ignosen ends up
- 58:49Speaker 1: being good and maybe we have some weird injury that
- 58:51Speaker 1: he ends up need to play and this all looks
- 58:53Speaker 1: silly and will be really thankful that we had. HIM
- 58:56Speaker 1: i just it's super weird to trade up for a
- 59:00Speaker 1: guy in the second round that you hope doesn't.
- 59:02Speaker 2: Play, Yeah And i'm also maybe it's just p being
- 59:06Speaker 2: a gun try From Kyrie. Elam but the last Time
- 59:09Speaker 2: gettiganosen play nose tackle that's very, good.
- 59:13Speaker 1: Long, arms long. Arm we keep BOTH.
- 59:18Speaker 2: I, YEAH i, great arm great arm Link yeah could Probab,
- 59:23Speaker 2: yeah probably occupy gaps and we already noted he plays the.
- 59:26Speaker 2: Run he's willing and coming forward and playing the. Run.
- 59:28Speaker 2: Yeah it's JUST I i Don't SOMETIMES i just don't,
- 59:34Speaker 2: know like AND i. Don't and that's kind of Where i'm.
- 59:37Speaker 2: At LIKE I i didn't even really want to do this,
- 59:40Speaker 2: show like we joked about. IT i just wanted to
- 59:42Speaker 2: like sit and almost at the point like AM i
- 59:45Speaker 2: AM i missing something like let me go watch more
- 59:47Speaker 2: tape on this, guy more tape on that, Guy Like,
- 59:50Speaker 2: okay maybe there's Something i'm not, getting BUT i just
- 59:53Speaker 2: feel like and it's such a ROUGH i think what
- 59:57Speaker 2: makes it even worse is the juxtaposition between last ninety,
- 1:00:00Speaker 2: today where we were just like, Man bills are in
- 1:00:03Speaker 2: such a great, spot was so. Great they could stand
- 1:00:07Speaker 2: pat and do, great they could cast some chips in
- 1:00:10Speaker 2: and do, great like and then the board fell and
- 1:00:13Speaker 2: you're just sitting there like man like McDonald And Kristin
- 1:00:16Speaker 2: miller either or.
- 1:00:17Speaker 1: Man this nobody went in the first Two LIKE i
- 1:00:19Speaker 1: was so nervous that the first two picks were going
- 1:00:22Speaker 1: to be Like rodriguez and McDonald or like, Whoever like
- 1:00:26Speaker 1: just two guys that we were really keyed in on
- 1:00:28Speaker 1: and then they. WEREN'T i was, like oh my, god
- 1:00:30Speaker 1: this would be. Great this is so, exciting and like
- 1:00:33Speaker 1: even if it had been like AGAIN i had, concerned
- 1:00:37Speaker 1: like we talked about some of the concerns With cashershower
- 1:00:39Speaker 1: or something like, that we at least would have had
- 1:00:42Speaker 1: the excitement of all, right well this is School like
- 1:00:44Speaker 1: it's it's a new style of guy that we don't,
- 1:00:47Speaker 1: have and, like, yeah he's there's some flaws, here but
- 1:00:50Speaker 1: like this is, cool this is, Fun like it's a
- 1:00:52Speaker 1: it's a different type of thing to. Have, yeah it's
- 1:00:57Speaker 1: just super deflating, day super deflating.
- 1:00:59Speaker 2: Day that's how it. IS i feel very with With.
- 1:01:02Speaker 2: PARKER i was, whelmed AND i was, like, Okay iginos
- 1:01:06Speaker 2: And I'm i'm genuinely. Underwhelmed and again it can end
- 1:01:09Speaker 2: up working out.
- 1:01:09Speaker 1: Great, yeah but it's it's just scary to oh this
- 1:01:15Speaker 1: ONE i mentioned.
- 1:01:16Speaker 2: Earlier THEN i got off my train of, thought LIKE
- 1:01:17Speaker 2: i Kyri eland was really grabby and that didn't go
- 1:01:22Speaker 2: away in THE, nfl and he was a much better
- 1:01:24Speaker 2: athlete THAN i and and he got flagged much less
- 1:01:29Speaker 2: Than ignosin did because he was a better. Athlete and
- 1:01:31Speaker 2: SO i just that that that's, Scary like it's it
- 1:01:39Speaker 2: if you got to wear boxing gloves or oven myths
- 1:01:41Speaker 2: because you're grabbing too much like in, Practice like that's a.
- 1:01:44Speaker 2: Problem it's a funny, story but it's like a. Problem and, yeah,
- 1:01:49Speaker 2: MAN i Don't i'm kind of at a, loss.
- 1:01:54Speaker 1: Dude tomorrow is gonna be. Awesome they're going to hit
- 1:01:57Speaker 1: on like four guys that were really at and we're
- 1:02:01Speaker 1: going to be here with the most pumped Up day
- 1:02:05Speaker 1: three recap anyone has ever seen in the history of the.
- 1:02:08Speaker 2: World, Absolutely and THEN i was strying to make a
- 1:02:13Speaker 2: joke of like who they could trade a fourth round pick,
- 1:02:15Speaker 2: for and, like already as AN nfl, player that would be.
- 1:02:17Speaker 2: Sick AND i was, like, Oh jonathan garnard A AND
- 1:02:20Speaker 2: i was, like, oh, wait, no he got traded to
- 1:02:21Speaker 2: The eagles and then signed a huge.
- 1:02:22Speaker 1: CAR i will, Say Kevin thibodeau did not officially get
- 1:02:26Speaker 1: traded with like a bunch of other players officially got
- 1:02:28Speaker 1: traded And thibodeau. Didn't so that makes me a little.
- 1:02:31Speaker 1: Curious i'm.
- 1:02:32Speaker 2: INTERESTED i gotta watch he he's.
- 1:02:34Speaker 1: A flawed player, too but, yeah a three, Pick i'd
- 1:02:37Speaker 1: figured out.
- 1:02:38Speaker 2: Same fair like he HE i had issues like from
- 1:02:42Speaker 2: A i don't want to say character, standpoint but like
- 1:02:44Speaker 2: where his head was at and the. Kite, YEAH i
- 1:02:46Speaker 2: guess character like. Concerns that's part of why he fell
- 1:02:48Speaker 2: a little. Bit AND i feel like those have reared
- 1:02:50Speaker 2: their head even more and he had a close. Point
- 1:02:51Speaker 2: Yet bean is a day three.
- 1:02:52Speaker 1: GUY i, mean, like if you're going to cling to,
- 1:02:54Speaker 1: Something bean has had a, lot like a. Lot there's
- 1:02:58Speaker 1: a bunch Of Matt Mallana, Kloshakers Christian, Bensburg's, like there's
- 1:03:02Speaker 1: really nice hits on day. Three so if you're going
- 1:03:04Speaker 1: to cling to something that is the real hope is
- 1:03:07Speaker 1: that he and not just. He our scouting department is
- 1:03:11Speaker 1: very good in the depths of the. Draft we're very
- 1:03:13Speaker 1: good at. IT i wish we were a little bit
- 1:03:15Speaker 1: better on day, Two like we're consistently not great on day,
- 1:03:18Speaker 1: two but the fact that we're really good on day
- 1:03:22Speaker 1: three is, cool you know.
- 1:03:23Speaker 2: What it's also interesting all these guys that they like
- 1:03:25Speaker 2: brought in For top thirty visits and had the opportunity
- 1:03:28Speaker 2: to get and they passed on all of them at this,
- 1:03:31Speaker 2: Point like they're they're usually big into like the top thirty,
- 1:03:35Speaker 2: guys The Senior bowl, guys the guys they do their
- 1:03:37Speaker 2: work on that tends to translate for them and for
- 1:03:40Speaker 2: a lot of, teams but especially for The. Bills and
- 1:03:42Speaker 2: they had the opportunity for those. Guys and that's why,
- 1:03:44Speaker 2: AGAIN i Thought miller made even more sense than maybe
- 1:03:46Speaker 2: McDonald at thirty, five BECAUSE i was, like he's a
- 1:03:48Speaker 2: top thirty visit they love him this and, that like
- 1:03:51Speaker 2: it just trotter similar. THING i was, like that's WHY
- 1:03:54Speaker 2: i kind of think those names even. More and, YEAH
- 1:03:57Speaker 2: I i, YEAH i kind of end genuinely at a.
- 1:04:02Speaker 2: LOSS i don't know how we got.
- 1:04:03Speaker 1: Here, yeah, Yeah i'm just gonna go sigh and cry myself.
- 1:04:12Speaker 2: Sock size in, Hey like just where we're? At?
- 1:04:17Speaker 1: Right why DO i love this team so? Much?
- 1:04:21Speaker 2: Sports sports are paint.
- 1:04:23Speaker 1: There all they do is hurt.
- 1:04:24Speaker 2: Me it's not. Enjoyable sports are just a way for
- 1:04:27Speaker 2: us to collectively be miserable.
- 1:04:29Speaker 1: Together that's, right that's. Right, yeah tomorrow's a new. Day
- 1:04:35Speaker 1: we are going to uh in the day after, tomorrow
- 1:04:38Speaker 1: we get Another Sabers gamelo On.
- 1:04:40Speaker 2: Sunday, baby very very.
- 1:04:42Speaker 1: Cool so there they are fun. Things so, Again bean's
- 1:04:46Speaker 1: a day three. Guy uh here it, is this is
- 1:04:49Speaker 1: the one skid be saved. Us bean's going to trade
- 1:04:52Speaker 1: For George pickens and then that's gonna be the thing
- 1:04:55Speaker 1: where we're, like oh.
- 1:04:57Speaker 2: Oh, Pickens oh my do you can you imagine the
- 1:05:02Speaker 2: fight THAT. Cj, Gardner johnson And George pickens would get
- 1:05:05Speaker 2: into in training. CAMP i would watch that on pay
- 1:05:08Speaker 2: per view that. Too they would just my, god it
- 1:05:11Speaker 2: would be like two Super saiyans battling and.
- 1:05:14Speaker 1: Everything just we went nine years without like one single
- 1:05:18Speaker 1: knucklehead in the locker room to like two of the
- 1:05:22Speaker 1: top five knuckleheads in the entire league in the locker, room.
- 1:05:26Speaker 2: And it would just be like the littlest thing like
- 1:05:29Speaker 2: the like just one of them walks by the like
- 1:05:33Speaker 2: this was like The zoolanders. SITUATION i was thinking, of
- 1:05:38Speaker 2: like When Ben stiller And Old wilson walk by each
- 1:05:41Speaker 2: other like excuse, Me you're, excused. Bruh it would be
- 1:05:44Speaker 2: something like that where like they just pass and then
- 1:05:46Speaker 2: like it carries over a huge fight like the.
- 1:05:48Speaker 1: Little, massive aggressively Placed.
- 1:05:51Speaker 2: YES i would, man they if they did, that this
- 1:05:55Speaker 2: would have been the year to get the bills on Hard.
- 1:05:57Speaker 2: Knocks no, McDermott all this Drama pickens and C. J
- 1:06:00Speaker 2: oh my, GOD i would scrap all THE hbo plans
- 1:06:02Speaker 2: and be, like we have to get the bills. Back.
- 1:06:04Speaker 2: Yeah all we're gonna do is all we're gonna do
- 1:06:06Speaker 2: is follow C j And pickens around everywhere and wait
- 1:06:09Speaker 2: for the.
- 1:06:09Speaker 1: Fight who's the team this? YEAR i don't BECAUSE i
- 1:06:16Speaker 1: just had a thought of, like it's not The, patriots is,
- 1:06:18Speaker 1: it because like that just would have become super. Interesting,
- 1:06:21Speaker 1: oh The.
- 1:06:22Speaker 2: Seahawks It's.
- 1:06:23Speaker 1: Seahawks, okay all, right all? RIGHT i.
- 1:06:26Speaker 2: PICTURE i can picture the camera crew like being like C,
- 1:06:30Speaker 2: j did you hear What pickens said about? YOU i.
- 1:06:33Speaker 1: CAN'T i told you.
- 1:06:35Speaker 2: He called you a? Bitch what all these little evil
- 1:06:43Speaker 2: like the the worm tongue or, whatever like whispering Into
- 1:06:48Speaker 2: king And lord of the rings and say like all
- 1:06:51Speaker 2: these the camera.
- 1:06:52Speaker 1: Crew why do you come burden with? THESE i WISH
- 1:06:57Speaker 1: i could think of the, line this is a good, line.
- 1:07:00Speaker 2: Things like, that and then like it even translates literally
- 1:07:02Speaker 2: To perkins and like going TO cj and be like
- 1:07:03Speaker 2: why are you burdening me with these? Things he's, like
- 1:07:05Speaker 2: what camera? Crew just all.
- 1:07:09Speaker 1: These.
- 1:07:09Speaker 2: IDEAS i like that.
- 1:07:13Speaker 1: Sports are.
- 1:07:14Speaker 2: Pain good. Times Happy friday.
- 1:07:15Speaker 1: Everyone on that, note the chat was. Awesome we appreciate you.
- 1:07:23Speaker 1: GUYS i am going to cling to. It i'm gonna
- 1:07:25Speaker 1: hope that we have a more fun show to wrap
- 1:07:27Speaker 1: things up tomorrow to kick us off into the off.
- 1:07:29Speaker 1: Season but thank you. Guys we appreciate it very very.
- 1:07:32Speaker 1: Much i'd be half of everyone here at cover. One
- 1:07:35Speaker 1: you have been listening To anthybraska And GREG thompsoni we
- 1:07:39Speaker 1: are out