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Caffeine & Healthcare Workers: Coffee, Night Shift and the Drinks That Get Us Through · Banter At The Bedside

• 0:06
  SPEAKER_00: Hi everyone and welcome back to Banter at the Bedside.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_00: We have a bit of a different episode for you today.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_00: We are for the first time ever fully recording in person, and it will be a journey for sure.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: We are talking today all about caffeine and how much healthcare workers use it.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_00: And on top of us recording in person, we're doing it because we're going to be taste testing each other's caffeine habits for one whole shit, what we normally drink.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_00: As always, I'm Abby.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm one of your main co-hosts.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a nurse practitioner of eight years and I've been in healthcare 17 years.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'm joined today by my other main co-host, Kaylee, an ICU nurse of 18 years.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: Hi everybody, welcome back.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: And then we're joined again with Mama.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_00: She's becoming one of our main co-hosts as well, aka Amanda, an ICU nurse of 20 years.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: Hey y'all.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_00: So before we jump into this taste test, let's get through our disclaimers.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_00: As always, this is for entertainment purposes only.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_00: We are not giving you any medical advice.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: Please seek the care of your own medical professional, especially on how much caffeine you should be drinking.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_00: We're probably not the ones to be giving you that advice.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_00: We don't represent any entity at all.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_00: We're not being sponsored by any of the drinks that we're drinking here.
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  SPEAKER_00: These are literally just what we drink every day.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're not being compensated in any way.
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  SPEAKER_00: All of our thoughts and opinions are our own.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_00: And we are recording in the comfort of our own home because that's how we do it here.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_00: So welcome back, you guys.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yay!
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_00: So excited.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_01: Please don't take any um of our recommendations for the amount of caffeine you should consume in a day.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: No, we're not the worst, but for sure.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_00: I think you're not the worst, though, because you've come down on your caffeine use.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I've been much more cognizant of that.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_00: I, however, have not been good on my caffeine.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: Has it gotten worse?
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't say it's gotten worse, but I would say it's never gotten better.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_00: Because you ain't you ain't up an age yet.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_00: That's not.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: Although with my recent kidney stone, I gotta drink more.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: I gotta drink more water.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we fuss at her usually at work.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how much water have you drank?
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_00: And then she'll come back and report, like, I drank this whole thing.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_00: Well, when I was sending her my list, I was like, I want to also say I drank three large jugs of water with all of this in a day.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's a huge difference.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_00: If it's caffeine only.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: But if I have to choose between one or the other, if it's like really busy, then I'm gonna have the yeah over the water.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, obviously.
• 2:50
  unknown: Yeah.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_00: Caffeine always over the water.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_00: But I will often I'm used to not drinking water.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_00: I've gotten better.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'll drink like maybe 80 ounces a day.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_00: Now hold on.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_00: When you say I used to not drink water, 80 ounces.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_00: I don't it's like 240 ounces, 240 ounces, two big ones.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_00: Two big Stanley.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_00: Jeez, you got it.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_01: What does that mean?
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_01: A bottle?
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_01: I got it.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't had any caffeine yet.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: This is the problem.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_00: We've been it's clearly not water fit.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_00: We've been waiting for our caffeine for this episode.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_00: But hold up, you're not getting out of this.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_00: When you say you just don't distract her.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_00: When you say that you typically don't drink water, what does that mean?
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how it makes that.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: So this is not like this that's a like word for word, not like a overdra dramatic statement.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_00: No, I will go I used to before my kidney stone.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_00: I used to go like I would go a day or two without actually consuming water.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Miguel.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_00: Plain water.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_00: I I mean I appreciate your vulnerability in being honest, but no wonder you had a kidney stone.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, I learned that the hard way.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, I made it to you know this.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I've told her before.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, why do you think your damn lips are always so dry?
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: I said, When you got big lips, you gotta stay hydrated.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_01: A lip mask.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_01: Just pure water.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I know.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_01: She has like a water bottle sometimes, but she never drinks out of it.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_00: I will okay.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_00: It'll be like the little Yeah.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the biggest problem for me with water is usually I will drink it, and then but once it's empty, I'm getting really lazy and I don't want to like go to the water machines because they're not like conveniently located.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_00: There's just three of them on our and there's three on the unit, and that's not I think that was sarcasm.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: There's only three.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_00: I was very much sarcasm.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_01: You took it as being she was agreeing with you.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm valid.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: There's only three.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_00: And there's there's spigots everywhere.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's only three.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_00: I thought you were saying I was valid.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_00: No, there is no validity to that statement at all.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: Your feelings can be valid, but the facts are not valid.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's not right.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, but my office isn't really near any impression.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's in the middle of all of them.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_00: And closest to one of them.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, sometimes sometimes the least lazy person, I know.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's sometimes, but there's certain things in life that I'm just like, I just don't feel like getting up.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, but my office fridge is like five steps from my desk.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: And then the water is like, you know, out two doors.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe twenty steps.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_00: Into the hallway, around the corner, through a badge in door.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_00: I don't make it sound.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_00: So do you get up to go to the bathroom since you're drinking all the caffeine?
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_01: No, she's dehydrated.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_01: She can't paint.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_00: You still have to paint.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, now that I'm drinking water all the freaking high peen.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: So now you're making a conscious effort to refill your water.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_00: Look at that.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'm only thinking.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_00: I love getting stone.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: That was miserable.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_00: I promise I know.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so sorry you had experienced that.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's unfortunate the lessons that we have to learn.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes a mono.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like you're um complaining me.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_00: I was about to say.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_00: I'm saying that for all humans.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like everyone needs to.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: But she said it's unfortunate the lessons that we have to learn sometimes.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_02: I don't mean it to sound patronizing.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just mean like it's very mom coded.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I could hear that.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_00: I hate that you had to go through that, but also it's probably a wake-up call.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's a better way to say it.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I meant.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_00: Oh wow.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: I apologize.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_00: I think we have told you in the past or we talked about like our water intake.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_00: And you probably were just like, mm, that won't happen to me.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm I'm she's invincible.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: I learned that um but yeah, so does it in effect dilute or decrease the amount of caffeine you're drinking if you're also keeping up with the water?
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like it does.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like I'm not as awake.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_00: For sure, because if you don't have any other liquid, just the caffeine, yeah, your body's gonna absorb it that much more like powerfully.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_00: I think when you wake up one of my dear friends wakes up and drinks eight ounces of water before she drinks any coffee or tea.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's what I do.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, okay.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_01: You too.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_01: You can't drink it on an empty stomach.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_01: Except today.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I ate.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I drank my water.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I thought oh, you said you haven't had any caffeine.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay, okay.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's good, because then all your enzymes are attacking all the caffeine.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_00: Absorb it in your growth stream as aging and you have the water on it.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: I did find a loophole in that too.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's one of the first drinks that we'll have today.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so this is a bubbler.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: This is considered water.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: It is in the water section.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: This is from my home state of Wisconsin, which is why it's called a bubbler, because that's what we call water fountains.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: Are you for real?
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_00: Why it's called bubbler?
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_00: You didn't I didn't know that.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_00: You didn't know we call water fountains bubblers.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_03: Why?
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_00: Why do you say y'all?
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's you all and we're lazy and we put it together.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I don't I don't know.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: Not all southern people are lazy.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_00: That was just I can say that because I'm southern.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: We call it a bubbler.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: Because it bubbles, because the water bubbles out.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_00: How's that?
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: Out of the water fountain.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like boop, boop, boop, boop, boop.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know about these until the other day at work when you asked me specifically about a question.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_00: But never heard of them.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it's new, but it's apparently all the rage in the Midwest in terms of energy drinks.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: So it was considered an energy drink, but it's natural caffeine up to one cup.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's the equivalent of one cup of coffee, but it's in the water section because it's considered water.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: Two bars, one side.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: This is what I drink now coming into work every day.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_00: So I do have at least one one, what is this?
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: 12 ounces of water every day.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: Of water.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's water.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not arguing with you about this.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'll argue with a lot, but not that.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_00: Are you guys ready to try this?
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but um what's the flavor?
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: This is blueberry, because I know you don't like watermelon.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: She doesn't.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_00: The thing is, what's weird about Kaylee is she doesn't like watermelon, the actual melon.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_00: I don't like watermelon flavored things.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_00: I also don't like watermelon flavored things.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_00: It just it just tastes too artificial.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there's one thing I've had that felt that tasted just like it.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember which flavor I had, but I had one of these one day.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: Because I got it for free or something on the groceries.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: Or somebody's order was wrong, I'm not sure.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: But I can't remember which flavor I was.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_00: Oh look, it's got a little cue to it.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_00: So it is supposed to be water, but it is blue, which is the weird part to me.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: You said it's berry, right?
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's berry, yeah.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe that's why.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's got some carbonation to it, which I appreciate.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what's a flat drink.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: You were saying you tried one in the grocery store.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: They sent me one in my sometimes they'll send me free stuff in my groceries.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_00: And so I had one day and I enjoyed it because it wasn't so sweet.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't think it was this flavor or not.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: And it doesn't have a weird accent.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: No, that's what I don't like about a lot of energy drinks, is it's like And it doesn't have 200 milligrams of caffeine, like the typical size of those drinks.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: Would you say 12 ounces is what that is?
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's only like a little bit of that taste.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_01: What do you mean that taste?
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever the the flavor taste?
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: Uh uh uh like some sort of sugar.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's only got five calories.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it's not like overly like sweet.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I had to look up some research.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_00: Surprise, surprise level zero on caffeine.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: Let's hear it.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: I just did the like cut to the camera like in the office.
• 11:28
  unknown: Okay.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: So shockingly, there's not a lot of research out there about healthcare workers and caffeine.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: Well, in like coming from like fresh off my doctorate, I can say, like, as I sat and thought about it and was looking at these few studies, like that I was able to find, like, a lot of it is a hundred percent going to be based off of like how honest people are in the surveys, and that's just not something people are going to not be honest about, but also maybe not be truthful about.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think they even realize how much they drink.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like, and it's hard to quantify too, because I don't know about you guys, but I sometimes on a stressful day, like I have to have like that afternoon coffee, but then I will have like it's more like a support coffee, and I have like three or four drinks, and then like the majority of it just sits undrank.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, how do I quantify my emotional support coffee?
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like I had some, but not a whole cup's were.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that makes sense.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: So but it was interesting.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: The one I thought was kind of like a silly study, because they looked at um sleep quality.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then they found that the caffeine intake of healthcare workers, specifically physicians, um, did affect sleep quality.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I don't know if we needed to study that.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like we knew that, but they did it.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then I did find one specifically for you guys, and it's caffeine use disorder, perceived stress, and critical care nurses.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: Caffeine use disorder?
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: So wow, it's not um a DSM 5 diagnosable disorder yet, um, but they have like submitted for it to become one.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: There's three criteria.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: Do you want to hear the three criteria that that are like being submitted to be included in the next psych.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I just wanna I just want to reiterate it's 1140.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how to drop a caffeine.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_00: Except for that bit sip of that bubbler.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: We'll get to sipping.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_00: Alright, so the three criteria that they're talking about is a persistent desire or unsuccessful effort to control the use.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_00: So you try to stop or you try to cut back and you're unable to.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: Use despite harm, which would be like drinking a cup of coffee knowing it's going to keep you up all night.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like you just have to have that cup.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is all.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: That all needs to be submitted.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_00: And then three is withdrawal symptoms.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_00: How do you have withdrawal symptoms if you're constantly drinking the coffee?
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: Or if you haven't had like your normal intake.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: What do you mean?
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: When they try to stop they don't stop if they're constant if you've got to submit yourself for a disorder, at what point do you stop drinking if they've tried?
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: Does it sound like they're drinking?
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm telling you, sometimes the caffeine doesn't I feel like it doesn't wake me up.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_01: It keeps me from getting a headache.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: Think about like when you were pregnant and you tried to cut down your caffeine.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I did.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't drink any during my first pregnancy.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: Zero.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: I did.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: And then with my second, I only drank one cup per day.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_01: Did you feel bad for a while?
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's I mean it's like you're pregnant, so it's like you're hard, but like did you feel I think I just got used to it.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't feel miserable for me.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_01: I was just I mean you're miserable from being pregnant.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: I was just vomiting.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_01: So did you cut down and you feel bad?
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: How much were you drinking?
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: You don't remember?
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: Not as much as I do now for sure.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_00: But I I cut down to the recommended one the other day.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_00: My first one.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: And as I think most people with their second pregnancies maybe don't uh do all the recommended things as to the book.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I might have had to there's no shame.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_01: Your children are perfectionists.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: So that's what they're submitting.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_00: I think they should.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: Caffeine use disorder.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_00: How many healthcare workers do you think would like qualify?
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody that works on ISH.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, really?
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: People drink a lot.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: That much.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_01: If you walk by the nurses station, people like have their drinks out for the night.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, are you okay?
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_03: Oh.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: Monster.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: Monster.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: Monster.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: Coffee cup.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's like that's why you get organization.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that actually the best of the studies that I found.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: Now, again, this a lot of this has to do with how much you're willing to report.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: So, like, you do have to consider that when you're reading these.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: There's like the potential whore biased data because it is all about what people are willing to say.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: But this one just looked at um, where is it?
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's not this one, it's this one.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so this one actually looked at shift workers.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: Now, this was not just healthcare workers, this was shift workers across all of the United States.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: And they defined shift workers basically anyone that works like an afternoon shift, a swing shift, or night shift.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: And this study found that actually shift workers consumed about the same amount as day shift as regular office workers or daytime workers.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: But the key difference is that when they consume it, most of the shift workers actually consume it outside of their work to stay awake for other activities.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: So working day shift does not make it better.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: But if I work 12 hours, I don't have time to drink caffeine.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: I go to bed.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: When do you drink the caffeine?
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: You're drinking it during work because you're like a normal day.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: But like, okay, say, okay, a few weeks ago I had worked a string of night shifts.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I knew I had to stay up the next day.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like normally I will take like a shitty three-hour nap.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: But I just couldn't.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I was just, and I mean, the next day after that, I was sick, like literally sick.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: Migraine, nauseous, like felt like I was gonna throw up, dizzy every time I was like, I know what it is because I didn't sleep and I drank so much caffeine.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like I was on a vendor, like I might as well be doing coke all day or something.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't know what it's that's like, but it seemed like I was coming down from something.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: I was sick.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's that night shift, man.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm telling you, I've never felt so bad.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: There are some people that I work with who don't drink as much caffeine as me.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I think I'm probably middle of the road when I work a night shift, but I also wonder like what other things they have that like help them.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like I think a lot of people take like certain medications that they're prescribed for you know, needed reasons, and maybe that helps them.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I think that helps some people or at least like levels them out so that they can like maybe be more responsive to the caffeine.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: I also just think that there is like not everyone is meant to wake up at like 5 a.m.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: So you have some like night shift workers like that I know that like never had to drink never drink any caffeine because like I had one and she she was like anti-caffeine, she's like on an anti-inflammatory diet, like all of this like caffeine was like no, like maybe a tea, but that was it, like nothing significant.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: And she was just like a night shift person, like she just her natural brand was night, and so I think that helps some people too.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: If you're just like I'm more awake at night naturally, and I sleep fine during the day, I'm gonna work night shift.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_00: I think when some people try to force it, like I'm more of a night person, I drink about the same on nights, if not a little bit less.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: When I was younger, I would do a decaf coffee, but I just because I wanted something warm to drink because it's always cold on the unit at night.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: And when I first started working nights again a few years ago, I didn't drink as much, but I would sleep during the day.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: Then I'm like you, I'm like, I like being up at night, and now I just can't sleep, so I'm like and it's not natural for me to wake up at 5 30 in the morning.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: But not me either.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: I if I could be up from if I could sleep from midnight to nine, that would be my sweet spot.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: I could stay up till midnight.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_00: So you would be a better swing shift person if we still did those.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like eight hours like to eleven or twelve to twelve.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: I miss the swing shift.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: I think that'd be great.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: I used to love swing shift when I worked in the nursing home because it was like two p.m.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: to ten p.m.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: So I'd like could get out and still like go to the bar and do things.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: Sleep.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: I was 20.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: I was 21 going to the bar.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: And then I would sleep, sleep in, but still like be able to like wake up and do a couple things and then go back in.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: There's no way I can do that now.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean it was just youth.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: Just pure babyhood.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: Which coffee what do you guys start your day with?
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: For a day shift or either one.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I only work day shift.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um I will just make a cup I usually make a coffee at the house.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: A little cake up, one.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: I used to do two.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: Do we want to enjoy your coffee?
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we do want to enjoy my coffee.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sipping out of that cup.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's do that.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: I don't trust myself before that.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: Alright, what's in here?
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: Just black coffee.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: From Starbucks.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I usually put creamer, but I don't put sugar.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: Some people think that this coffee tastes too bitter.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I love it.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: What kind of K cup do you go for?
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_00: Starbucks pipe place.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so this is what you drink.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: So this is literally what you drink.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's so good, and I just need a little that face.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: Starbucks is like the only coffee that I can't drink black.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: For real.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: Wow hot coffee.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm like you, like if I because I have K cups and I make coffee here, I drink the black.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: If it's hot.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: I drink I drink black cold brew.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: And I'll drink black cold brew sometimes.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: So well then what do you what coffee do you use then if you use K cups at the house?
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: Just like a just like a usually light roast or a medium roast, a plain one.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes I get the ones that are like they say flavored, but they're like scented really.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: I have started trying to put some half and half in it because I do feel like it's not good for my stomach to drink so much black coffee all the time.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: The lighter roasts, I think, are supposed to be better.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll try.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: Doesn't the lighter roast have more caffeine?
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: But it's easier on your easier on your thomas.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's easier on reflet.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: I need to be using the light roast.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so you start your day off with a cake.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: A plain cake cup.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: A plain cake cup and I throw a little bit of creamer in it.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: And that's it.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I usually have that gone by ten or eleven.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: Ten or eleven.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because you usually get to work and you can't do nothing.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: You can't sit down.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: You you're in the rooms, you're conversating, getting things situated.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have time to piddle and drink.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like I won't.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: And you drink a bubbler on your way to work.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_00: I drink a whole bubbler.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: By the time I get to work, the bubbler's gone.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: It used to be a Diet Coke.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: I used to start the day with a Diet Coke.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: Which I saw like when I saw a meme and it was like, or it was some video of some guy online and he was like, the people that wake up and the first thing they drink is a Diet Coke is like a special breed.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh my god, that's me.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: It is a good breed though.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: Well, whatever works, you know?
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: I just like I don't like anything too hot and like waking up and getting on the road at 5 a.m.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: for my hour commute.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just like, I would You don't want to poop yourself.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: What does that have to do with it being hot?
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, honestly.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: Abby doesn't poop.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: I don't poop at all.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_03: Remember?
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: She's a girl.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a girl.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a lady.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I would poop myself if I was traveling from where you live to where we work and drank a hot coffee.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: That's the reason why I wouldn't drink it on the way to work.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's hot though?
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: Are you saying because it's hot?
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: Or any coffee.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: Y'all, where have you been?
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: Because she she just doesn't like hot coffee.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: She likes it like look warm.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: I like it look warm.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: Which is that's the only reason that's the weirdest thing about all of this that we've said.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_00: But the hot part is what's gonna make you shit your pants in the car?
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: It is just the co y'all, where have you been?
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like it taking it back uh centuries ago, like the morning constitution.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: No, okay.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: I think what we're trying to clarify is the is it the hot part or is it just the coffee part?
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: What if you drink a lukewarm coffee or a cold brew?
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that should move things too.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: However, that warm, that warm, cozy vasodilates to get things done, you know.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: I mean it does.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: There are some evidence that patients that are getting like post-op that have like post-operative ileases, like some sips of caffeine can actually help resolve it, especially if they drink it.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: You don't drink prune juice when you need to poop or you need your patients to poop, you warm it up.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's like the warm Yes, maybe.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't I don't like anything too hot.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: So I I need something cold in my mouth first thing in the morning.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, room temperature is actually I have a room temperature diet coke for you guys to try how I drink it.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: A room temperature diet code.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let's do that next.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: On a day fifth, I get to work and make a plain cake up.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I have.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I want it typing hot, like almost burning my mouth.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: But I I can't I used to put them in like a travel mug, like Amanda bring it, but every time I would get out of the car, like inevitably I would spill it all over myself, so I stopped doing that.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I what am I doing?
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: But um, yeah, I need it to be hot if it's a hot coffee.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: And that's during that's on day shift, yeah.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: So you want that to be hot.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I have but I have to eat something and have some water before I drink that.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: So it also helps not doing it until I get to work.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: So I like do it as soon as I get back, get report.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: All right, and then what about night shift?
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's a whole that's a whole it's a it's a different beast.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: Because you got to lock in and be awake.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: Well, as you know, like sometimes when like you're going in for your first night shift, you probably won't sleep that day.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's like a normal day at home.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm doing my normal caffeine routine.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: And then it's like then I start my work caffeine routine.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: So that's probably when I consume the most, I would say your first night shift.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_00: That makes sense.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like my first night shift is like being a kid and like the sleepover almost, like you get the energy and you're I'm just like, I'm fine.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_00: But then the next day I don't like sleep super great.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_00: And so going into my second night shift, I'm like, oh, I need a lot more.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: And then after my second night shift, I can sleep like a champ because now I'm more out.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: Well, a diet coke makes me happy.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: But it's room temperature.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's a little cold, I think.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: There is nothing like, oh, a diet coke from McDonald's.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: That hands down is the best diet coke ever made.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: People try to argue about that.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well, whoever arguing that it's the best is winning.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: How do you how do you like my room temperature, no ice?
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: Not my face.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: I would drink it.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: I used to crack one of these and just drink it on my way to work.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: Anything to me that can come in a can is better in a can.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: And there's something about drinking it from the can.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, the can is better.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: Always.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: Always.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: Even if it's not super cold.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: If it's in the can, it's that crispness.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: So I could do that.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm gonna do this over nothing if that's my only option.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_00: If you show up in my house and you're like, I need an I'd eat it.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_00: Then I'm just gonna do it.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, in a can.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: The only one that's not good in a can is Amanda's right, is a diet coat from McDonald's.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that one is good.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: Bar superior.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: God knows.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's so good.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing like it.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: And when you gotta go after you drink it, that's when you know what's good.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: We call it in my family a crispy D C.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: Nice crispy D C.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: There is nothing like it.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_00: I don't eat at McDonald's, but I will go to McDonald's just to buy the Diet Coke because Now there is a McDonald's that's easy to get to on my drive home, and many a shift I will leave on my way home and be like, you know what?
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: I really just need a sip of a crispy DC.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: I did it yesterday on my way home.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, I need a I need a crispy DC today.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_00: Especially when they were a dollar for any size.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: I need to bring that.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_00: I can't remember the last time I had a doll side coke.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's how long it's been.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: Today.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I should have done that.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_00: We should have.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_00: I just wish they don't have like the good.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to say the good eyes, but they don't.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: They have like regular ice cubes.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_00: If they have the chicken ice with their diet, forget it.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: That could be the whole thing.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: You don't sell anything else.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: By good ice, you mean the like aerated like yeah, like the little head.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that the hospitals have.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: Now that is one thing that hospitals almost always have on everyone else is the ice.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: The ice.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_00: So if you had that combined with the McDonald's diet.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_00: And if that if we had that dispenser, if McDonald's would somehow get in some kind of agreement with the hospital.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: Could you imagine having a fountain diet coke on the youth?
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: And I would be I would be so happy.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: It would be gone.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: They'd be like, we've stocked you up for a month, and it's like been two days.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_00: What do you mean it's L?
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, I do have a story about that.
• 31:18
  unknown: Okay.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: So this was this was long ago, long ago, not at my current facility.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_00: This was past blessing when I was a bedside nurse in my journey as a bedside nurse.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: So I was told, I don't know if this is true, but this is just what I heard from management that the that the system I was working at, they had real Diet Coke products.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, or they had real Coke Coca-Cola products.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: So they had Diet Coke.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: Now I drank them.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone drank them.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like I think it's like kind of a known perk of the hospital.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: Like you can you can have a soda or two.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I was told, again, I don't know if this is true or not, but I was told that the system was spending like a hundred thousand dollars a month on sodas.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: Were they real or the minis?
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: They were the minis.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_00: So people were there were some people that would have four or five.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_00: They would probably just take the whole six-pack.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I mean, we I've never seen that.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: What are you talking about?
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_00: I saw it at this old hospital that I used to work at.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: There was a couple that would do that.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: But they were real.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I just I do remember in one meeting, they were like, well, we think that the hospital staff is drinking the sodas, that the patients aren't the only ones drinking it.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: And we're all like, duh.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's not a question.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: And so to deter it, they switched to Shaf's the products.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's not really gonna stop the vote.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: It didn't stop anyone.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: It just made people angry.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: People were like, I'm going to drink it because it's like a caffeine hit.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I need to get through the shift, and I don't have time to like go downstairs or go anywhere.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, go to the vending machine line.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_00: And this was before like you could tap to pay everything.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: So like the vending machines were cash only.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't have cash.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, the cafeteria's clothes.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't have like I need something.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: And people still drank it.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_00: They just were significantly cheaper.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_00: That has like a version of a coat.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they have a they have a cola and they have a diet cola.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_00: Kind of like RC cola.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: When I was in the grad, I worked at a different hospital.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: When I started there, all staff, free tea and coffee.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_03: Ooh.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like from cafeteria.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: All free.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: Shouldn't be.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: Brigar tea, sweet tea, unsweet tea.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: All the coffees.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: I started.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_00: Now before I only worked there for two years.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: Before I left, they had stopped.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, honestly, this is like this sounds lowbrow.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, that was one of the main perks of working there for me.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: That means that it's a terrible shop.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm just saying though, like, think about it on your worst day that's like, well, you know what?
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: I could just go get.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: And like for me, somebody who drinks like regular simple coffee, like if we go to work right now, we have a Starbucks down there, and then we have like the cheap coffee.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: I like the cheap coffee better for taste.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: So like I was like, this is perfect for me.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean I think it's those small things that like probably don't cost the hospital a lot, bottom line, but does keep people happy.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how that would work for a huge hospital.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but but I think that's amazing.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: All right, Kayleigh, do you want us to try one of your caffeines of choice?
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: We've got you a cold brew with the sweet cold foam, Alani's, and then a plain coffee.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: I guess I didn't need to get two plain coffees, but you guys can have them for the day.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, this is just a plain cold brew with the salted caramel cold foam.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_00: So, like if you were just drinking it with a straw, you wouldn't taste this until you get to like the end.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_03: But you can take a sip of it with the no.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: That's delicious.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: Uh when they first came out with the nitro cold brews, everyone at the hospital, like I feel like everyone at the hospital is like walking in to work with the nitro.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_00: But did could people drink the whole thing?
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't, but they didn't you can only get a certain you can't get above a grande for it because of the caccine, I think.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't even drink the whole thing.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_00: I drank I would drink half.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: Sitting drong.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's not my favorite.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like for this, I drink it with the straw, so I get the plain coffee, and then the end I like to have the foam as like a treat.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_00: I do like the cold foam, the salted caramel cold foam.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's my favorite.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's like a little dessert.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then in the fall.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, because okay, I'm a weird person.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'm very like seasonal things are like they make me happy.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: But I like to get like a pump of um some sort of flavor in there.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_00: So it's just got a little bit of something.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: So still not sweet.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: I don't like sweet coffee, I guess is what I like to get across.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_00: I know a lot of people do, but so my order's not always the same, but that's like my go-to if I just had to pick, yeah, on the fly.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: Or if I go, I'll order half the amount of sweetener just because it is so sweet.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: But the nitro ones, they don't taste good.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh oh I think they taste good.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think they just make me feel very antsy and increase my heart.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: Cheap.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: I can't do the whole thing.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: They do.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I got one last study.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: This one's really old though.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: This was and again, this has a lot of bias.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_00: This is uh because it was not required, it wasn't part of like a medical research study.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_00: It was actually um done by Duncan Donuts and Career Builder in 2010.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: So it is very old, like 16 years old.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: But they surveyed over almost 4,000 workers nationwide on um like who used caffeine and like they tried to figure out like which profession uses the most caffeine.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: Do you guys want to take a guess?
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: Which professions have the highest caffeine use?
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to decide if I think doctors or nurses are higher.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's not this.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: So is it I don't think it's probably not even healthcare.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: Is it healthcare?
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: It is?
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: So I'll say nurses.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: Number one is nurses.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: Now, again, there's there's potential for bias because there are more nurses.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like looking at it from a research standpoint, there's way more nurses than physicians.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: So, like to say, you know, it's just really straight statistics of like more nurses probably filled it out than physicians, but they did say it was number one nurses, number two physicians.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: So basically healthcare workers were the top two.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like residents would need it a lot more than like when they're in their residency.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like they never sleep.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I feel like they're better than what they used to be almost 20 years ago.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: Well, they've changed the rule.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe, maybe that's what it is.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: There is there is a physic someone out, there's a physician we work with who I know it wasn't lunchtime, and this physician told me that they had already ingested 400 milligrams of caffeine.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I fussed at this person.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_00: Was it because of um because some of them will do a lot?
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: What I find a lot of like the fellows I work with, a lot of them do the pre-workout, which has so much caffeine.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_00: And they're sitting in there in my office with the shaker bottle, shake, shake, shake, shaking, and then chugging pre-workout.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: No, this was not this person's story.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: Have you taken pre-workout?
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: No, never.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_00: It makes you you're like hulk out, like your veins are bolted.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_00: There's so much stuff.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_00: And it's it's good if you're gonna go like do an intense workout, but like you feel like you're gonna vomit because your heart rate's already increased, and then you're increasing your cardiac output because you're working out, and it's like you feel like you can vomit.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: So I did I tried it twice and that was it.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean, I do think that residents probably ingest more and they just get like tolerant to it.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: Because the one was the one doesn't work with us anymore.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: He graduated, but he was like, Yeah, this is like if I like this is how I just start my day.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, that's so much.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: But these people know that it's so much.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: The bad part is we work on a cardiac ICU.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think that I mean, but like we're talking about caffeine, but I mean we But people think they're invincible.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_00: Caffeine is a most widely available.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's the most it's the most widely available, and it's the most widely used psychoactive um, for lack of better word, drug in the whole world.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's 1.6 billion cups of coffee ingested every single day, worldwide.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: 1.6 billion worldwide on average.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_00: So, like, I mean, it's just so much a part of like the world culture.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_00: When did you start drinking coffee?
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: So I would have like a cup or two throughout high school, and I was a barista, so you would have thought that I would drink more, but I really didn't drink any when I was a barista.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I really didn't start drinking until college.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_00: What about you?
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_00: I know I've had some when I was in high school.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um more just to like have it, like when my mom and dad were drinking it.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I would put like sugar and milk in it.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think probably college.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, nursing school.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_00: Once nursing school started.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: I tried a five-hour energy one in nursing school because I thought it would be better.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: And that was terrible.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: I was up for like 24 hours straight.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: I could not sleep.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_01: How much is in that?
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: The five milligrams?
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's only supposed to give you five hour energy.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's like B.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's don't they like advertise that as like vitamin B or something?
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't know what it's in it.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't touched one.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: I've literally done the one and never touched it since because I could not fall asleep.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_00: I've never tried one.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I didn't start drinking coffee until I was on orientation as a nurse.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: So say that's what it was.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: It was orientation for um mine was much different than yours as far as orientation went.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: But that's what it was.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean my parents didn't drink coffee, so I really wasn't around it.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_00: But when I tell you they had a whole soda aisle in that refrigerator and two liters, boy.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_00: So I was I grew up on soda, but on caffeine, on some caffeine, but not like coffee.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-mm.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_00: And tea.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: My mama made tea, of course.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: I do feel like there's it's very hard.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it's very I can imagine it's very hard to work in the hospital on our shifts if you don't drink some sort of caffeine.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like I don't know.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know many people that don't drink any caffeine.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: And especially between that like three and four out three a.m.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_00: to four a.m.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_00: or three p.m.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_00: to four p.m.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: that witching hour.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_00: That's when I get nauseous.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, long.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, where you're just like, it's just like that's when the end of your shift should occur.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_00: Because you're just done.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're at about eight hours.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_00: And then you're like, okay, well, you can push through four more hours.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_00: You can get your four more hours.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_00: But really, it does feel very, I don't know, like within your what am I trying to say?
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_00: Just feels appropriate to end it at eight hours.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you're done.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_00: But you gotta keep going.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but then I also think this is not for healthcare records, but for our generation, the millennials, it's like, let me get my coffee, let me get my ice.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, we're gonna go shopping, gotta get a coffee.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna go to the bookstore, gotta get a coffee.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_00: And then it's in the afternoon, it's gotta be a coffee and a sweet treat.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_00: Let's mean up for a coffee, please.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_00: I don't really want to go do this.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'll get you a coffee.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, well then I'll go.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's like I do drink a lot of it because sometimes I just need it.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_00: But also, I think it's kind of what one of you touched on in the beginning.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's more like not an emotional support thing, but it's like a community thing, a cultural thing.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_00: Uh like let's instead of let's go get a drink, it's like, well, let's just go get a coffee.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's translated into the hospital because a lot of times people will be like, Well, I wanna do let's go walk down to the Starbucks and get a coffee, or let's go walk.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like yeah, it's like socialized time.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_00: On my shift, Abby's like, let's go walk halfway or all the way.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: Across the hospital, we'll get a few steps in, but we'll get a coffee.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, yeah.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_00: And if it is not busy at the end of our shifts, a lot of times we would all be like, let's look at our afternoon tea.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: Our afternoon coffee.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: Tea time.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: Gosh, I remember that.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_00: Those are the days when you could actually have a break at the same time as somebody else.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_01: Not anymore.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: That's how it feels.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_00: Do you want what what other drinks?
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_00: We have a lani.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_00: We have a diet Dr.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: Pepper.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: Let's do a Diet Dr.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_00: Pepper.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: I've never had a Diet Dr.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_00: Pepper.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_01: You just get what you get.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: She says you get what you get what you get.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_02: I just mean in Diet Dr.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_02: Pepper.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_02: They don't have a lot of options.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_02: I don't feel like so.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_02: You just gotta get what you get.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_02: No, I know, but it was just hilarious.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_00: Diet day.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, hold up.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: You've never tried Diet Dr.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_00: Pepper.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: I've never had a Diet Dr.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_00: Pepper.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_00: Have you had a regular Diet Pop?
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: I've had a regular Dr.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_00: Pep.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think about regular Dr.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: Pepper?
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_00: I don't like it.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes I like the like little bit of just like the weird, you know, the the unknown flavor of it.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_00: So sometimes I like the flavor of it.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_00: And just imagine that this is going to taste delicious?
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_00: You're right.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know, like a Diet Mountain Dew doesn't taste great.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_00: I don't like I don't like that.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, the smell.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_03: The smell.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's got like a minty well, it's got 23 flavors.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_00: But what do you first taste or smell?
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm on fucking one of my Jaegermeister.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's like licorice.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_00: You think it's licorice.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like licorice and cherry.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_00: See, I feel like why I'm such a Diet Coke girl is I feel like Diet Coke's the only one that can use like the aspartame and not get like a like I get like a fuzzy mouth after.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_00: You feel like there is an acretizing.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like and I feel like my mouth is fuzzy.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's better when it's from McDonald's because they also have diet Dr.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_00: Pepper with ice are superior.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_00: And this is like your afternoon.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_00: I'll sometimes drink one with lunch, but not all the time.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_00: I've had one out of a can and it was better.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_00: I used to drink them.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_00: I like for now though, it's just like it immediately like to me it's like cherry licorice or something.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just like when I used to be in call if I was hungover, I would go get like a fountain Dr.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_00: Pepper, a regular one.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes I like, but I literally just want like a sip of a do of a Dr.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_00: Pepper.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't like them now.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: But I also I've even gotten away from the Diet Cokes.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_00: I think Coke Zero I don't think it tastes as good.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_00: There's so many people that think Coke Zero tastes better.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_00: Oh I oh I love Diet Coke.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's over a diet coke for me now, unless it's a fountain diet.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Kaylee's just getting it down because she thinks it's disgusting.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't it funny how we're also done?
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know why, like just certain things.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like there's just certain.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_00: But I will say right now, all of these coffees, it does look like a nurse's station.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_00: I know I was like, we should have got a picture as like the water and the coffee, and then sometimes a soda or another thing.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_00: And then the alamis.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's always that is how like the stations everywhere just look like that.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_00: One of my job's bedside, we had like we had to have like um, you know, the joint commission bin.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_00: So we had just a bin and it would just be like before everybody's coffee, everybody's soda, just sitting in this bin together.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_00: It was just coffee, just caffeine.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_00: And it's really unfortunate that where we work, we have Pepsi products.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, it's everywhere though.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's everywhere you go.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm telling you, if I sit down and I say what sodas do you have, because it's not listed on the menu, and they tell me Pepsi, I will order a water melon.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_01: Because I would rather have water than diet Pepsi.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'll drink a Diet Pepsi because that's what my parents drank when we were growing up.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_00: That's what my parents drank.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_00: If we weren't getting the cheap, like off-brands of like Usicola or something, then we would get Diet Pepsi.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_00: My dad would get caffeine free.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's what my mom got.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's what my mom got because she had bladder issues.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_00: So she would get the caffeine free.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_00: So that way.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I mean, I'll do it.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like if I forgot my stuff and I'm at work and I need a drink, like I'll get a Diet Pepsi or Pepsi Zero, whatever it is, but it's not as good.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's not as good.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's not as good.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_00: I don't.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_00: I just we'll get a different coffee.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_03: Drink your new water.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_00: My bubblers.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's a good loophole.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_00: Alright, should we close out with one more taste test?
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_00: Do you want I have well we've already done a cold brew?
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_00: I just have a cold brew with plain cold foam.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_00: Do you want should we try Milani?
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_00: We have two flavors.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know which flavor.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_00: We've got breeze berry and strawberry sunrise.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_00: What if we do some strawberry sunrise?
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_00: Because we had a berry flavored.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna preface this by saying I don't actually really like the flavors of these because they are so sweet.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_00: So that's why I put it in my list.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, this is like I am struggling.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna be a danger to my patients if I don't have it.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_00: But it is so sweet.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like, remember the day we split it?
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_00: I can only split it with somebody.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_00: There's only a few girls that I in the afternoon, if I'm dying, then I I can't I'm not gonna drink this whole thing, but I'll share it with some.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean I still think it's so sweet.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_01: Well, what's it sweetened with?
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_01: Because it says zero sugar.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_01: So let's see what they use.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_01: Sucralose.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_01: There is aspartame.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, that's not aspartame either.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_00: Sucralose.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever the f the flavoring in there.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_01: It is sucralose, but what is this 15 calories for the tall can?
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't this the only?
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: Well, but I think they have small ones.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't ever see them, but and it also has nice in B6, B12.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was just saying I don't recommend them.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_00: Just still this.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_00: We don't recommend any of these, remember.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_00: I recommend the I recommend the um for taste, I recommend the Colbert with this all the caramel.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm not an energy drink person.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_00: I don't drink.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_00: Unless, like I said, I'm splitting it.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_00: I don't remember the last time I did that.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'm out one in.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it is.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's like candy.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's like a candy.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_00: It honestly tastes like something that I would like that people like mix at a bar.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's so sweet.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's very sweet.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_00: I don't remember it being this sweet.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how people do the energy drinks, to be honest.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like the Celsius, the Lannies, the monsters.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_00: That's what it was.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_00: I've never had an Alani.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's the Celsius that I've split with people.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_00: You and I split one of these.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_00: We did.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what flavor it was.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, then that must have been the first time because I know, like, it gives me kind of like a headache instantaneously because it's so sweet.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_00: No, I said it's dire straits, but I really don't like any of the Celsius ones.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_00: I the Celsius ones I think have the worst like aftertaste.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_00: They taste like I'm drinking like the potassium tabs or something.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's always the orange flavor and it's like.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_00: I've tried a couple of people have been like, well, try this one.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_00: It tastes better.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't have much.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_00: And then I'm like, no, the aftertaste there.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_00: There is one doctor that I share an office with, and he only drinks monsters.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I can and it's like the biggest monster.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_00: And he comes in and I can just smell it.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_00: And even the smell of the monster.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_00: It just, I don't know.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe I it was too many vodka Red Bulls in college.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like the energy drink is just I hate Red Bull.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's the most disgusting drink.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like I think any energy drink, I'm just instantly like, I just give me coffee.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_00: Just give me coffee.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_00: But like I said, sometimes it's like if I guess if you're really desperate.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_00: And then you see these children.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_00: This is completely off topic, but you see these children when I'm dropping my kids off at school and they have one.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_00: These little babies are drinking.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_01: Energy drinks?
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_01: They had to send out an email to say, unless it's in a closed top, you know, like water jug, you're not allowed to bring them in.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like it was happening so frequently.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_01: And my oldest always asked, like, can I have one?
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, no.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely not.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love you kids have one soda today.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's alarming.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_00: I um the peach ring flavor of that.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_00: Or there's like a peach flavor.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_00: It tastes like a candy peach ring.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_00: That's probably my favorite flavor, but it's still very sweet.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_00: Somebody we work with me taste theirs one.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know what?
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_01: We all do it unless you're that person that used to work with us and their religion didn't allow it otherwise.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_00: They drink soda?
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_00: They just can't have coffee or something.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_00: They can't have coffee or tea.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_01: They drink soda.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_00: They can have have you never seen the swig?
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_00: They drink soda.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's just the coffee and tea.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_00: No, they they love all of the soda with all of the flavors and all of the things.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_00: So everybody pretty much drinks it in healthcare.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_00: Probably.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think you should put blanket statements on things.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure there's people out there that don't, but I think the vast majority of people.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_00: I think one of the most important people in that in any hospital is the barista at the hospital coffee shop.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_00: They have no idea the people, the people down there that serve us and the family members, they have no idea how important their drop is.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_00: And when it's closed, how devastated we are.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_00: When you get on there, and the little things like be back in an hour at the clock, I'm like, oh yeah.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's it's like you're should really put a video camera to see people's reactions when we walk up because I sp every time it happens, I'm like, it's like you're deflated.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_00: No, I walked all this way and I was expecting a coffee to pick me up.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_00: I probably had the last the last three weeks, I probably had the least amount of caffeine I've had in years.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_00: Not necessarily by choice, but I'm feel less like brain fog on the daily, probably because I'm not waking up in like a withdrawal street.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I definitely drink less than I used to just to help with sleep.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_00: Is that why you said you don't drink it in the afternoons anymore?
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_00: This does show them it did increase physician physicians that drank more caffeine and had more sleep.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_00: So but if you want a coffee, would you get like a decaf or something just to have that's what I used to do when I was healthy.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe I should start doing that again so I can still have my like afternoon coffee.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_01: I just want to sleep.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll do whatever I have to.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_01: There's still some caffeine in it.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_02: But no, I just I'll just drink water.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_00: But I also put a little bit of lemon juice, like a little lemon juice, so I feel like I'm drinking something besides just water to help me.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_00: Because water sucks.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_01: Ice cold water is so I do love ice cold water.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's the only thing that I do like cold is yeah.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_00: Some people also maybe we should do another podcast on water because some people are like, no, I cannot drink ice cold water because I can't chug it.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_00: I can chug room temperature water.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_00: You heard that?
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I don't I mean we're going to see how long my water intake lasts.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_00: I used to not be able to drink ice in my water because my teeth were really sensitive before I got them lightning.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_00: Even with a straw, like like that would still I couldn't have like anything super hot or super cold.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I can't say too.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I don't either now because I got like treatment for them.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, now it's like all it's so refreshing.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I can't chug it.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I chug it.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_00: I don't care how bad my throat burns.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_00: Well, any final thoughts on caffeine use in the hospital?
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's unfortunate, but it's just I think the hosp hospital should have free coffee.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_00: I will say seeing how much like caffeine in front of us we have, and this is just like each of ours, like kind of normal intake for a day, is actually a little bit like ooh, it's a lot.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_00: I think I have the most because I have my bubbler, dye coke.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_00: I'll do a bubbler on my way into work, a cold brew when I get to work, a diet coke for lunch, and then usually an afternoon coffee.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_00: But I will say, doesn't coffee specifically have some positive health benefits?
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_00: It does.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_00: It does.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_00: So you know, I'm sure not, I'm sure only to certain red wine.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm saying.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_00: So, like, you know, I do sometimes tell myself, well, I'm getting some extra antioxidants from the coffee or like whatever else.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, no, it's not the worst, and it helps get you through the shift and it keeps me happy.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_00: You need happy healthcare workers, yeah, so you can have happy pace.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_00: I did try to wean myself off caffeine and COVID, which I don't know why.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that was a terrible idea.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I got down to like just one cup, one small cup of coffee a day.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember there was one day, it was just terrible, like just so much death.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I just need another afternoon coffee.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_00: And so I got I got it, and then Ava was like, You seem so happy this afternoon.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, okay, correlated the two of me.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh, okay, maybe I'm just like under caffeinated.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_00: I just need to have a certain amount of caffeine in my body to come across as a happy thing.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_00: But you try to wean that often cause.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_00: It was the bad I read something about it, and I was like, I gotta cut back my caffeine and no time like the present because I can just sleep on my days off.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_00: And uh that was it was a terrible idea, terrible idea.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_00: I just feel like such a loser because I'm like, if I just weaned myself off caffeine, like I don't even what would I do all day?
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like what like what would I do?
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna drink coffee?
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think it is part of my identity.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_01: You think I it's just like ingrained into my daily life.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_01: What would I do?
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a coffee drinker.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_00: I sit and like watch my show or like read my book.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm with you there.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_00: You're not alone.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_00: I tried.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_00: I failed.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_00: It was also, I mean, I think you could try again, but but that's not the best time to have I have winged down.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_00: It was terrible.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_00: Now it's happened, and I'm gonna try to at least maintain that.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_00: And next week I won't have any more night shifts, so I'm hoping that it will be uh better.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_00: More to come on that later.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_00: Well, tell us your caffeine regimen.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_00: Are you like us?
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_00: Me, I guess.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_00: Uh what about water?
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_00: Do you drink it?
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_00: Should you drink more?
• 59:56
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