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#1596 Tech Anxiety - Patrick Bonello · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: All right, tam let's get gone bloody. Everyone's talking over
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  Speaker 1: the top me. It's the year project Craig Anthony Harper.
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  Speaker 1: There's a cast of thousands today because the very hilarious Patrick.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm going to have to get my
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  Speaker 1: side stitched after this episode because Patrick did a funny,
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  Speaker 1: tricky thing, and then Tiff did as well. And I
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  Speaker 1: jumped on the zoom call everyone and there was my
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  Speaker 1: little bos on the screen and three other boxers with
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  Speaker 1: no camera and no audio, and it was one minute
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  Speaker 1: to go time. And then all of a sudden, this
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  Speaker 1: young handsome man with a headset on who looked like
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  Speaker 1: he should be asking me if I want fries with
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  Speaker 1: that pops up. And well, I'm going to start with
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  Speaker 1: the smartest and the best looking person on the call,
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  Speaker 1: young Christian, who works for Patrick, who is the backbone
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  Speaker 1: the engine room and clearly the brains in the organization.
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  Speaker 1: Hi Christian, how are you?
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  Speaker 2: I'm good good?
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  Speaker 1: How are you mate? How did you How did you
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  Speaker 1: feel when your boss that balding bloke Uncle Fester in
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  Speaker 1: the bottom right corner on my screen, who looks like
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  Speaker 1: the world's oldest McDonald's worker. Also, how did you feel
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  Speaker 1: when he took credit for the work that you did
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  Speaker 1: last week, and then when I asked him a question
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  Speaker 1: about what was allegedly his running sheet, he couldn't answer
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  Speaker 1: it because he didn't. I was going to say, fucking
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  Speaker 1: do it, but I won't say that because you're fifteen
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  Speaker 1: and I know you've never sworn or heard swearing. How
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  Speaker 1: did you feel when he kind of stole the limelight
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  Speaker 1: from you?
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  Speaker 2: I was heart broken, seriously, all that hard work took
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  Speaker 2: me all morning.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, no, he does that. Yeah, it is. It's disgraceful.
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  Speaker 1: There's a pattern of this over the years. He steals
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  Speaker 1: other people's thunder, he takes credit for other people's work. Christian,
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  Speaker 1: what year are you in at school?
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  Speaker 2: I'm in your nine.
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  Speaker 1: Now what's your job? And I use that term loosely
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  Speaker 1: at Patrick's house, Patrick's organization. That sounded bad. In Patrick's organization,
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  Speaker 1: we'll use that term loosely as well. What's your role
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  Speaker 1: in Patrick's organization?
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  Speaker 2: Well, first of working, it was helping him set up
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  Speaker 2: for this podcast, which took me all morning, and then
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  Speaker 2: the next two or three days I was helping build
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  Speaker 2: a website for the Ararat neighborhood House.
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  Speaker 1: Well, gorgeous and what do you what do you want
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  Speaker 1: to what do you want to do? When you're like,
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  Speaker 1: why are you doing this? So? Are you a nerdy
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  Speaker 1: or a geek? Do you love tech? Do you want
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  Speaker 1: to work in? What? What space do you want to
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  Speaker 1: work in? When you eventually turn into an old person
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  Speaker 1: like us.
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  Speaker 2: I'm still really not sure, to be honest, because I
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  Speaker 2: like a broad range of different things. Probably number one
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  Speaker 2: on my list right now is like civil engineering, that
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  Speaker 2: sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, clearly smarter than the rest of us. Well, mate,
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  Speaker 1: we know that you've got to go and do more
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  Speaker 1: important things than to talk to three centenarians on a
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  Speaker 1: fucking podcast. So thank you for supporting Patrick. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: old people need cares, and I think it's good. No,
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  Speaker 1: it's great. It's great that you give him some attention
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  Speaker 1: and that you help him find his teeth, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and that you wheel him around, and like also emotionally
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  Speaker 1: and mentally. He just needs all the support he can
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  Speaker 1: get so well done.
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  Speaker 3: It's a bit like what Tiff does for you, Craig.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Oh that's not that's accurate. I'm not offended by
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  Speaker 1: that at all. By the way, TIF, have you cleaned
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  Speaker 1: my denches yet and where are they imagine that? Christian?
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  Speaker 1: We're going to let you go so you can tune out.
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  Speaker 1: But mate, have a good time, and thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being part of the fun. And thanks for looking after Patrick.
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  Speaker 1: He needs all the help he can get.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Greg.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks mate. So oh that was so that was a
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  Speaker 1: bit of unplanned mayhem. Look at you, Patrick? Just how
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  Speaker 1: long you been planning that? How long you've been thinking
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  Speaker 1: about that?
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  Speaker 3: Well since you invited him on the show last episode
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  Speaker 3: and told him that he was better than me?
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  Speaker 1: So why do you come?
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  Speaker 2: So?
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  Speaker 1: Why are you here?
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  Speaker 3: To be here for five minutes? Someone had to fill
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  Speaker 3: in for him. Is he the youngest person you've had
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  Speaker 3: on TP?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I think so, Yeah, he probably is. And I've
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  Speaker 1: got to say, not that I was a fucking bright,
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  Speaker 1: bright shining light at fifteen, But he's pretty good, isn't he?
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  Speaker 3: I meanned fifteen last weekend?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, quite articulate and quite smart and civil engineering. I
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  Speaker 1: was going. I was majoring fucking sandpit and plaster scene
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  Speaker 1: and bicep curls when I was his age.
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  Speaker 3: So I think I just worked out if I picked
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  Speaker 3: my nose too much at my bleed?
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  Speaker 1: Was oh right, right? Sorry, I thought you said. I
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  Speaker 1: just figured that out now, as in good afternoon, TIF
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  Speaker 1: is that afternoon? It's one o seven at SAT Day.
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  Speaker 1: Hello Cookie, Hello, Hello Harps. Now this is irrelevant to
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  Speaker 1: our listeners, but you do know that the U Project
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  Speaker 1: signed behind you is back the front again, Patrick, and
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  Speaker 1: I did this with you last year.
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  Speaker 4: Here's the thing.
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  Speaker 5: But when my recordings finished, it's back to front if
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  Speaker 5: i'd change it. So I don't know because all my
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  Speaker 5: recordings since you made me change it, all the recordings
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  Speaker 5: were back to front.
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  Speaker 4: So you're just going to have to deal with it.
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  Speaker 3: Bro, I just realized what the background of mine is
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  Speaker 3: the number seventy backwards as well. That's the banner I
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  Speaker 3: stole in China. Do you admit that.
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  Speaker 1: It's not backwards? It's not backwards to us.
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  Speaker 3: Backwards for me though, this is really bad. We're talking
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  Speaker 3: visuals on the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Let's not do this. Hi, everyone, Welcome to The You Project.
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  Speaker 1: Tom Craig, Anthony half A, Halper, half A. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: should know my name now it's been a while. Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: James Bonello, Tiffany and Cook. This happens about once a fortnite.
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  Speaker 1: If you know what we do, why are you back.
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  Speaker 1: You must be a glutton for punishment. Loosely, we try
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  Speaker 1: and talk about technology, we rarely well we do, but
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  Speaker 1: I reckon we're operating at about twenty to thirty percent
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  Speaker 1: technology content and seven eighty percent bullshit and storytelling. So
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  Speaker 1: if you want to stick around for that, you've been warned. Tiff.
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  Speaker 1: How's your week been. I've been away. I've been inspiring
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  Speaker 1: motherfuckers around the country. What about you?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, it's it's been.
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  Speaker 5: It's been great, and it's been awful, and it's been
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  Speaker 5: a roller coson, it's been different, and it's been all
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  Speaker 5: of the things, all of the things.
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  Speaker 1: You sent me a message the other day and you
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  Speaker 1: basically said I'm sad I feel and I said, can
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  Speaker 1: I do anything? Are you okay? I sent you bit
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  Speaker 1: of love and you're like, no, I'm okay. And then
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  Speaker 1: and then like a day later, you went, I'm good.
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  Speaker 1: Now what was that about? Oh?
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  Speaker 5: I was having an existential crisis. I was don on
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  Speaker 5: my knees and you know those moments, I was out
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  Speaker 5: walking the dog. When you message that, and you know,
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  Speaker 5: when you're okay until someone says you okay, Well, you
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  Speaker 5: actually were the cause of me just having a breakdown
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  Speaker 5: in the street. It's eight pm at night. I had
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  Speaker 5: to turn around get my dog home. I was sobbing
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  Speaker 5: and snotting and crying and you know, and I couldn't
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  Speaker 5: even answer the question for twenty minutes.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I no, am I okay, Yeah, well
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to find that. Let me find tiff. Let
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  Speaker 1: me I'm just going into my phones.
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  Speaker 3: While he's doing that, Tiff, do you find though? In
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  Speaker 3: winter it's more drab, it's dull. There's less vitamin D mate.
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  Speaker 5: I am a sad sad season effective disorder. I am
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  Speaker 5: a candidate for that big time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a real thing. It's something that a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people struggle with.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true. That's true. And I can say yesterday
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  Speaker 1: and the day before I was in Breas Vegas and
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  Speaker 1: it was twenty four yesterday, and I don't think I
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  Speaker 1: suffered from that. But I felt fucking good when it
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  Speaker 1: was twenty four. I went out with a friend of mine, Toby,
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  Speaker 1: who used to work for me shout out tabs on.
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  Speaker 1: I did a gig on Thursday night to the general
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  Speaker 1: Public Workshop and they're all awesome people. Hello you people,
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  Speaker 1: you know who you are, and After that, young Toby
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  Speaker 1: and I went out good luck trying to find a
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  Speaker 1: healthy meal at eleven o'clock in CBD, Brisbane on a
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  Speaker 1: Thursday night, so late because I did a workshop till
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  Speaker 1: nine point thirty.
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  Speaker 4: Have you beforehand by the top, Well.
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  Speaker 1: That started at six and I'm not hungry till anyway anyway.
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  Speaker 1: But my point was, I so I had a grilled burger.
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  Speaker 1: They're not terrible, and I don't you know, I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have one on a super regular basis. But Tobes and
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  Speaker 1: I sat in this mall kind of thing and it
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  Speaker 1: was eleven o'clock at night and it was warm sitting outside.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine doing that in Melbs at that time.
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  Speaker 4: No, I can't imagine it.
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  Speaker 1: Patrick.
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  Speaker 3: What have you been up to, son, I've got some
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  Speaker 3: renovations going on at my place. In my garage. I
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  Speaker 3: think I mentioned that to you. I'm building a tai
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  Speaker 3: chi training studio. What was just a garage full of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: It's very cathartic to clean out a big full garage
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  Speaker 3: and a lot of stuff away. It's very cleansing and
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  Speaker 3: it's as it's all starting to take shape. It's got
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  Speaker 3: a little bit bigger than Ben her but I'm really
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  Speaker 3: excited about it. It means I can run some Tai Chee
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  Speaker 3: workshops in a really nice setting. And I'm thinking of
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  Speaker 3: just putting a little podcasting studio on the back as well.
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  Speaker 3: I've got a little offer space, so I'll set myself
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  Speaker 3: up in there, and so looking forward to that.
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  Speaker 1: You could call it, you could call it the Me Project.
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  Speaker 3: I could do goodn't I?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you could set up in competition. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I love about you send me photos of your garage.
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  Speaker 1: And when you say garage, I mean it's a fucking
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  Speaker 1: it's a garage like my garages. Mine's a garage. Yours
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  Speaker 1: is a garage. Like you could set up a gym
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  Speaker 1: in there, a proper gym. So it is there's something
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  Speaker 1: cathartic about cleaning shit up, getting rid of staff, making
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  Speaker 1: nice spaces. There's something that like, there's the I guess,
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  Speaker 1: the satisfaction of doing that thing and making that space
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  Speaker 1: nicer and cleaner and brighter and more functional. But there's
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: also something psychological and emotional that goes on. I think
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  Speaker 1: we have.
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  Speaker 3: The funny thing though, is I've got some really amazing
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  Speaker 3: friends who have a window and door manufacturing business and
• 10:30
  Speaker 3: They use what they call German mechanisms on them. So
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  Speaker 3: the doors are double glazed and the windows are double glazed,
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  Speaker 3: and they have this mechanism where you can open the
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  Speaker 3: window or you can tilt the window towards you to
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  Speaker 3: let airflow come through. Really wow, and they were very kind.
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  Speaker 3: They've given me some of these windows and doors, and
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  Speaker 3: it's suddenly just transformed it. And I thought, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I could probably live in my garage now. It's going
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  Speaker 3: to be better insulated, easier to heat and cool, and
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  Speaker 3: probably gonna look at the nicer than my house.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what you could have done?
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  Speaker 3: An airb and be mate Welleah, probably, I guess I
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  Speaker 3: could do that too, But the only problem is that
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  Speaker 3: I keep listening to people. So what happened was it
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  Speaker 3: was just going to be a tie cheese studio and
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  Speaker 3: then someone said, oh, maybe you should have a separate
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  Speaker 3: area at the back for an office. Okay, so I
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  Speaker 3: put it. You know, so I arranged to have the
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  Speaker 3: build to put a wall in, and then someone said, well,
• 11:20
  Speaker 3: but if you've got people doing stuff in there, then
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  Speaker 3: they're gonna have to go into the house to go
• 11:23
  Speaker 3: to the toilet. You should put a toilet in there. Okay,
• 11:26
  Speaker 3: then I put a toilet in the sink, so I said,
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  Speaker 3: I said to the bill, look, can we put a
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  Speaker 3: toilet and sink? Oh, I'll talk to a plumber. And
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  Speaker 3: then someone said, well, if you're could have a toilet
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  Speaker 3: and a sink, you should put a shower in there.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, oh, yeah, that's not a bad idea. So
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  Speaker 3: then they rip out the plaster and they put a shower,
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  Speaker 3: and now they're setting up the whole shower thing. And
• 11:42
  Speaker 3: then another person said, well, why don't you put a kitchenette. Well,
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  Speaker 3: that's a good idea. We could put a kitchen it
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  Speaker 3: in there, and then it's kind of self contained, you know,
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  Speaker 3: for coffee and tea, and they don't have to go
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  Speaker 3: into the house. And then we put it all, you know,
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  Speaker 3: aimed where we were going to put it all. And
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  Speaker 3: then someone said to me, oh, you know that kitchenette
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  Speaker 3: that's in the back room, why don't you put it
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  Speaker 3: in the front area because you don't really want to
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  Speaker 3: have it next to the toilet and bathroom. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's a good idea. Seriously, the plasters had to come
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  Speaker 3: back three times. The plumbers think I'm an idiot. And
• 12:08
  Speaker 3: the builder is probably just counting how much money is
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  Speaker 3: going to get.
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  Speaker 1: That seems like you've turned a little thing into a
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  Speaker 1: big thing. Also, one, you don't need an office because
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  Speaker 1: you've got an office upstairs. You've got multiple officers upstairs.
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  Speaker 1: That seems like a bad idea.
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  Speaker 3: And I've got this note it's okay. So downstairs where
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  Speaker 3: the master bedroom was in my house, because it faced
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  Speaker 3: the front door, that's where my office is. So clients
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  Speaker 3: can walk straight in into the office without going into
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  Speaker 3: the house proper. There's a little partition there, so you'd
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  Speaker 3: know this if you'd bothered to come and stay with
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  Speaker 3: me like you were supposed to last year.
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  Speaker 1: It's too far. It's an hour hour.
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  Speaker 3: It's is going to come out here before you do.
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  Speaker 1: I no, probably probably if you two spoon before you
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  Speaker 1: and icepoon, I will be jealous. Dragged you out of
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  Speaker 1: that emotional quogmire that you were in.
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  Speaker 5: Well, thank Mark Lebusk for that emotional quagmire, because I've
• 13:08
  Speaker 5: done two days in a human manager experience with him
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  Speaker 5: and some of the processes that it was awesome, right,
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  Speaker 5: it was great, but it brought up with some stuff
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  Speaker 5: and then I was feeling a bit better the next day,
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  Speaker 5: just a bit of you know when you sometimes you
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  Speaker 5: need that tipping point. So I was the world was ending,
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  Speaker 5: and then the next day I was like, all right,
• 13:28
  Speaker 5: all right, well, we've got.
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  Speaker 4: To change things. So it was feeling a bit better.
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  Speaker 5: But then in late afternoon I got a call from
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  Speaker 5: Jem who's one of my podcast regulars, who wanted me
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  Speaker 5: to go on this trip to the Himalayas within this
• 13:41
  Speaker 5: retreat he wanted me to go on at the start
• 13:43
  Speaker 5: of the year. He was asking about it, and a
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  Speaker 5: spot come up, a sponsored spot come up, and he said,
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  Speaker 5: I'd like to take you. So all you would have
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  Speaker 5: to all you would have to pay for is your
• 13:53
  Speaker 5: flights and get there. And so that kind of pulled me.
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  Speaker 4: Out of Mike quagmire.
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  Speaker 5: When when I'm with the end of September, so I'm
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  Speaker 5: feeling very grateful and excited and ready for a break
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  Speaker 5: and some perspective and a change, and so that helps.
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  Speaker 1: So how long are you going for? I wish I
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: had a time in this before the podcast. Now I'm
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: going to have to find someone else. Patrick, What are
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  Speaker 1: you doing the end of September?
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  Speaker 4: Seven days?
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  Speaker 5: Unless I stay a couple of extra seven days at
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  Speaker 5: this stage, and it's a seven day retreat?
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  Speaker 1: Where is it?
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  Speaker 3: Though?
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  Speaker 1: Him lays that seems like a long way to go for,
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  Speaker 1: not very long?
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  Speaker 4: Well, how long do you want me to go for?
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  Speaker 1: But well I don't want you. Well, you know, if
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  Speaker 1: you're going to go, you might as well get to
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  Speaker 1: base camp or something.
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  Speaker 5: I've got a friend or two that are going to
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  Speaker 5: come so that we might stay in India a handful
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  Speaker 5: more days just to have a poke around.
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  Speaker 4: But if not, if no one else comes with me,
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  Speaker 4: I'll just go for seven days.
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  Speaker 1: Come back. Wow?
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  Speaker 4: Change? Could we changed? Woman? Not just out there and meditate?
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  Speaker 3: Wow?
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  Speaker 1: Wow? Well you'll come back all zen and stuff. Patrick,
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: Where do you want to start on?
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  Speaker 3: I've got an Everest story. How's that for a segment?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I want to hear it.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, yep. It was either that I'll tell a really
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  Speaker 3: bad joke, and I think we could probably forego the
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  Speaker 3: joke and go straight to the stories because we haven't
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  Speaker 3: actually done anything yet.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 3: I you might recall a little while ago we spoke
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  Speaker 3: about the DJI drone making company was looking at getting
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  Speaker 3: a drone up to base Camp. Well they've managed this,
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  Speaker 3: blew my mind. They've managed to take one of their
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  Speaker 3: off the shelf consumer drones and fly it all the
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  Speaker 3: way to every single camp on the summit, all the
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: way up to the top of Everest. It's never happened before,
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: and it's a it's a Dji Mavic Pro, and they
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  Speaker 3: managed to get it all the way up to the
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: top of Everest. And that is mind blowing because there's
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  Speaker 3: so little oxygen up there to keep the thing up.
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  Speaker 3: And they did it with the commercial with a commercial
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: are just a domestic drone, and they managed to get
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: all the way up to the top. The distance is
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: staggering to go up Everest. It's quite a quite a
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: way to go. I'm just trying to look at the
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: details of actually how much it was, because it was
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: we're talking over eight thousand meters. Yeah, it's over at
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: that Because they talk they took feet a lot. So
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: the base Camp one is nineteen thousand feet, which is
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: six thousand meters, but Camp four is seven nine hundred
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: meters and then you enter what they call the death zone,
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: which is full on where for most people you need
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: to have oxygen. And they got this Mavic three Pro
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: and it continued the climb. It's got footage, so it's
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: all proof. What they call the Everest balcony is at
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: twenty seven thousand feet, the Hillary step is twenty eight thousand,
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: and then the actual summit eight thousand, eight hundred and
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: forty eight meters. It got up there, so that's quite
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: interesting because there's a lot of technical aspects to that
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: because you know your battery will perform less well in
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: extreme cold, so the cold is a major factor. It's
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: exceptionally windy. That's why there's only a very narrow window
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: period when people can climb the summit of Everest because
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: it just gets so well, death defyingly windy. And this
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: is kind of interesting. I just thought it was quite
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: an amazing feat to get that up there. But I
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: was thinking of all the things you could do when
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: you had a remote control drone, because you could look
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: for the rubbish that's there, potentially the bodies, like search
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: and rescue stuff. So there's so much potential when you
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: think of what that means from a technical perspective, when
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: you're using something that's not a you know, one hundred
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: thousand dollar piece of equipment, but it's just something you
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: can go to JB. Hi Fi and by today if
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: you wanted to.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I wonder if as the drone got higher, did the
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: operator have to move up the mountain? Patrick, if you
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, I can't imagine that you
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: could be at sea level and fly that thing six
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: kilometers in the air.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: You can. In fact, I think my drone has a
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: range of seven kilometers. Look, there are regulations, and of
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: course you're not allowed to fly a drone that high
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: on ordinarily, so they would have had to have got mission.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: But what happens is that DJI have this kind of
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: light bridge technology which allows it to beam and keep
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: talking to the drone if it's direct line of sights.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, you can, you absolutely can, you know,
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: be fully remote and stay down there. That's amazing. We
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: could follow tiff on her just like surreptitiously be recording
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Tiff does.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: We could follow her on one of the numerous dates
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: she does each week, and we could could just download
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: the data onto some dark web website. He speaking of
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: drones all over the news this week, Patrick and tiff
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: et l They've been I don't know if I've just
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: seen it, but I've seen about three different stories on
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: different channels about how lots of fast food restaurants are
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: now adopting drone deliveries, which you've probably seen, mate, and
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: they can take up to a kit not just not
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: just fast food but also supermarkets and stuff which seems
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: a little bit not really equipped at this because it
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: only can carry one kelo most of them. How on
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: earth do they make that financially viable?
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Mate?
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Like, if somebody buys a fifteen dollar order from Hungry
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Jacks or wherever it is, then the thing's got to
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: be picked up. Then it's got to be flown to
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: old Mate in bloody East Mentley, and then it's got
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: to be flown back. Somebody's got to operate it. How
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: on earth do you know about this stuff?
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Or Noah, Amazon's doing a trial at the moment in
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: the eastern suburbs of Melbourne. So I don't quite think
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: that you can get them at your place just yet. Look,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: it must be financially we'll think about it. If you've
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: got to get a person to do the delivery, drive
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: a petrol driven vehicle or a motorbike, there's an expense
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: associated with that. Then you've got the hourly rate to
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: do that too. So I don't know how autonomous they
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: are because obviously, as you say, there's got to be
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: an operator, but potentially a person could be there semi
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: operating a number of different drones because when you've got
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: that sweet spot at a certain height there's no traffic,
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: you're not high enough because the regulations in Australia say
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: that you need to be under the threshold of where
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: a light plane can fly. So there's a hundred feet
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: between you and where a light plane can fly, but
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: you're well above where there could be potentially any buildings.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: So A to B is quite simple. It's just as
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: the crow flies or the drone flies, as the case
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: may be. And so an operator could be operating multiple drones.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: If you're going from point A to point B, so
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: wonder TIFF's place, Wonder Crag goes place, the GPS information,
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: then it's just a matter of getting it there. So
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: you wouldn't really want the person to remote control it,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: just to be aware of what it's doing by a camera.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: So you could really be operating multiple drones at any
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: given time.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I saw them where basically winch is down on like
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: this rope winch or something, and I thought for sure
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: some eight en year old moron is going to order
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: a hamburger. Then the winch will come down and they'll
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: just yank on the winch and destroy the jont the drone.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but they're going to know where he lives. Matey
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: I know, but still.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Potentially order'd order it from your joint.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: I know you would, I know you would. Yeah, you
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: know what, But seriously, though, you're talking about a payload
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: of a kilo. What if someone's sick with the flu
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: or COVID can't get to the chemist. Now see, in
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: those instances that would be so useful. A you can
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: get your medication really quickly and you're in firm if
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: you know, for your folks, you know, it gets hard
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: for people to drive, or to get outdoors, or it's
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: whatever the conditions are. It's a really hot day. You know,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: there's any number of scenarios where I could see that
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: the drones would be really useful. And also, because you've
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: got no traffic to contend with, what might be a
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: twenty minute drive could be seven minutes by drone straight
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: to your place. My drone goes about seventy five kilometers
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: and our direct line of sight, so that is pretty
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: quick and if you're in a built up area, so
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: you know, and you're looking at a footprint of maybe
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: ten kilometers, then then it's not going to take you
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: very long to get from A to B.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: It's buddy, I mean alsill in s aside the rate
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: at which things are evolving and changing with technology and
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: everything from chat, GPT to drones to you make a
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: really good point, especially you know, in remote locations where
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: people can't you know, like if somebody needs insulin in
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: a hurry and they live one hundred kilometers from the
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: nearest pharmacy or you know, yeah, there are some potentially
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: amazing applications and benefits. Just quickly before we jump into
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: your list. Also, I don't know if you saw this
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: on the news or if you saw it Tiff, but
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: an Australian dude invented a titanium heart, like a fully
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: functional operational heart replacement. It's the size of a heart.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: You're typing, Patrick's typing, so, Tiff, And so they just
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: transplanted or they just put one into the first patient
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: in the States, and it's like this guy's been building
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: it for a long time and it works. So the
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: intention at the moment is that they will kind of
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: be a stop gap while somebody is waiting for a heart,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: a human heart. But they believe that they're going to
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: be good enough in the not too distant future to
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: just replace a human heart. And that's what people will
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: have one of those. So no rejection, No, you know,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: there's no different genetic tissue that the body's going to
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: adapt to. And I just looked at it and it's small.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like the size of your fist. If that,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I thought, oh my god, imagine. You know, people are
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: going to have diseased hearts in the not too distant future.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: They're going to go in, they're going to get a
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: new heart, titanium heart, put in and w out in
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: a few days and just carry on bloody amazing.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: So the titanium heart, So titanium, I guess, is a
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: metal that doesn't get rejected by the body.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things. And it's also
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: very light, it's all. You don't want seven pounds of
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: steel in your chest. It gets a bit rusty. We
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: should have got the galvanized one.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Oh wait a minute, I got testicles.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: No, wait a minute, Yeah, I know, it's I mean everything,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: and I saw it dode the other day and then
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I'll shut up. So here is a oh gee. I'm
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: not sure if his paraplegic or a quadriplegic, but he
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: was wearing one of those suits that you've told us about,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: like the exoskeleton that people strap themselves into or get
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: strapped into. And he was in inverted commas walking and
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: he's a paraplegic or a quiet I can't remember my
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: bad but the smile on his face, like because he
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: wasn't in a chair, he was actually upright. He was
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: six foot tall. He was walking carrying the carrying the
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Olympic torch. I went, how fucking great is that? Imagine
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: when that's commonplace.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's exciting. Just as a segue to that heart,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: the titanium heart. I think one of the things that
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: I've kind of looked into over the years that Rudy
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: excites me is the notion of growing a heart from
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: your own stem cells, so being able to take donor
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: cells and then grow and culture a heart or cardiac tissue.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: I know they can culture cardiac tissue at the moment,
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: so that could poventually be used for grafts and stuff
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: like that. But if you could grow another heart, grow
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: your own heart, that that would blow my mind. And
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: of course that means the zero tissue rejection, so that yeah,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: pretty epic.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Well, Professor Sharon Riccardo, who we've had on this show
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: numerous times, she's the head of biomedicine at Melbourne. Sorry,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: fucking now, at my uni, Monash, I'm sorry, monash, admonish
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: me admonash me And see what I did there? She's
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: they do shit like grow ears on the back of
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: rats and all of that human human ears. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: have a look at that, tip. Google that here on
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: the back of a rat where they actually ah yeah yeah,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: ah yeah. But they're growing tissue and skin and developing
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: cells and organs. And you're right, Patrick, it ain't it
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: ain't that far away.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the exciting thing that I'm thinking of, because
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: not everybody has an identical twin brother they can use
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: for spare parts. Yeah, that you think of as spare parts.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Well, no, that's a good idea, though. Tip, did you
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: find the rat on the ear on the rat?
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: I don't think, I know, I can't. I don't want
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: to look at it.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: I'm a bit bothered by the sacrificial animals just so
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: that the human race can fucking Now, I'm not being
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: on it.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Well that okay, Oh, so many things I can say,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: but I'll get in trouble either way. So I'm going
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: to say I agree with you. It's fucking horrible. Tip Patrick,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: tell us about China's military style. I think this is
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: something I want for Christmas. I know, you know, a
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: fairy style electric off roader complete with guns.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, it's not real guns. What they've done is if
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: you look at the inside of the cabin where the
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: handle is to open the door, they've designed it to
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: look like a gun. This is an electric car that's
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: been released in China. It's called the Don Thing m
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: hero mng she nine one seven. That's a mouthful in that. Wow,
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: the inside of the door. So I did. I did
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: include the picture just for you, Craigo.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see it. It looks awesome. I actually
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: think that's not an ugly that's not an ugly car,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: by the way, because it looks like your car. That's
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: why you're saying it's not ugly. No, it doesn't look
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: anything like my car.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: It's a little bit your car's a bit tanky. You
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: could put a turret on the top of your.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Bar just because it's an SUV. My fucking l you
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: know nothing cars.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Where is in the s Is it a tif don't
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: you reckon? Put a turret on top of the crowd.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Nobody can see my car or this car, so move on.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Just imagine a Sherman tank and that's all with four
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: wheels instead of those tractor things.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: So the bottom line is they've got door handles inside
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: that look like a pistol.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like Colt revolver. I think it is what they've
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: designed for. I think they are coming out to Australia.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: There's a plan to bring them out because there's a
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: lot more electric cars coming out to Australia. They're giving
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: Tesla a run for their money at the moment.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: But yeah, a lot, yeah byd one of the big
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Chinese brands that are just byd GWM. There's a whole,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: a whole lot one in seven might be more now
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: one in seven cars being sold in Australia at the
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: minute Chinese.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so there you go. But no, I just
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: thought you'd be interested because it just looked like such
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: a big boys toy, isn't it.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I love big boys toys, all right, tell
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: us you steer the ship every time, I say, every
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: time I pick one of your things that you probably
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: didn't right, Christian probably did this list. You've probably got
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: no idea what none of these talking points are about.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: So no, ik. There is one that I because I
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: live in a rural town. I was driving to Ballarato,
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: driving west of Melbourne and there's a spot just out
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: of the town that I live in where for five
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: or ten minutes we've got absolutely zero phone coverage. It's
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: only an hour and ten minutes out of Melbourne, and
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of black spots around Melbourne, a lot
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: of black spots around a lot of areas. And with
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: thirty nine million mobile phone accounts across Australia, this is
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: what it's estimated. Interestingly, mobile phone services are not at
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: this stage classified as essential, so there's a really big
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: push by the Telecommunications ombudsman to change to make mobile
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: phones and the access to an essential service like electricity,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: like gas, like water, that sort of stuff. So, believe
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: it or not, it's not an essential service. And we
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: know that there have been outages, you know when Optus
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: went down last year and there was a recent situation
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: where a small rural town which was connected by Telstra
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: went down and they were without any communication, without any
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: ability to sell anything at the shops because they needed
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: connectivity there. So it does put you. It was Port
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Dennis and the EGO three hundred and fifty three kilometers
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: away from Perth. North of Perth. But wow, I would
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: have thought phones would have been an essential service, wouldn't you?
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Or is it just me?
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, I mean for a lot of people, that's
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: life and death if you can't. I mean, really, it's
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: just being able to connect with somebody when you need to.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I would have thought that would have fallen
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: under the banner of essential services. Just before you move on,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you. I don't even know what
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: it was, but I do know that the world came
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: to a temporary halt the other day because something crashed.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know enough because I was busy doing other
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: things and I should be more interested, But I know
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: that the bits of the airport shut down, flights were canceled.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Do you know what happened and what was that about.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: There's a piece of high end anti virus software, effectively
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: security software called crowd Strike and its powers a lot
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: of the Microsoft Windows operating system at the higher end.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: And what they did was they pushed out an update,
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: but it gave the blue screen of death. We're all,
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: permission familiar with the term of the blue screen of death.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: You know your computer crashes and all you get is
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: a blue screen. Well, effectively did that and it was
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: so I mean, I go, I'm talking time reference, but
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: it was a week away, a week previously our time.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: But effectively, suddenly all these computers that we're using this
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: service crowd strike for their security suddenly had did an
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: auto update and it basically bricked all of the machines.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: And that's another term we use, so if something breaks
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: and you can't use it anymore, it's called bricking it.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: So they all got bricked, and it was it was
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: pretty pretty massive. And now the financial implications to business,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: it's estimated just in Australia this outage could surpass a
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: billion dollars of lost revenue because it's not just that
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: one night. It's kind of pushed out into you know,
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: further as well. But it also kind of makes us
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: really think about how reliant so many organizations were on
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: one single piece of software made by this one manufacturer,
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: and you know, it kind of makes us reflect on
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: how much, you know, we do rely I made of
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: mine works at the airport and they are handwriting slips,
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: you know, boarding slips. Wow, they had no way to
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: print them, no way to know in our flights were
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: just canceled anyway. But all about Craigo, it does make
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: you realize, mate, how much or how little control perhaps
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: we have with some things. You know, my mum, God
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: bless her.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: If you know my mom, don't tell her I said this,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: But in the last week I've had to kind of
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: take the reins of mum and Dad's bills, right, because
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: you know, Mary can't pay with a check anymore, she
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: can't pay with cash anymore, she can't drive down to
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: wherever and just pay the whatever because everything has to
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: And she goes in they go, oh, I no, you
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: can't do that, missus harp. You've got to pay it electronically,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: and she goes, I don't know how to do that,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: and they go, oh, well next, you know, and so
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: my poor mum, God bles. So the last week or
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: so it's just been you know, where Thank God that
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: that not that she's got me. But thank God that
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: she's got a person in her life that she implicitly
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: trusts that she now doesn't have to, you know, because
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: you think about its power and it's electricity, and it's
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: regio on their two cars, and insurance on the house
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: and this and that and gas and you know, incidentals
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: and and it's so stressful for her. And then you know,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: she went up to Telstra and she couldn't even understand
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: what they were talking about, Like she didn't understand the
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: man who is which I'm not mad at him, but
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: here's this eight nearly eighty five year old with shit
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: hearing who does not understand any part of technology. She
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: can't actually go to Telstra and have a conversation and
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: know what's going on because no one speaks her language.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: And so, you know, I'm thinking, and all the millions
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: of people who are seventy seventy five eighty, I don't
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: know how your dad is, Tiff, But fucking hell, Ron
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: and Mary. If not, if they didn't have me or
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: someone like me, I literally don't know how they would exist.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: You know, what about you, Tiff?
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, my dad's pretty good with it, but I don't know.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: I think it's it's hard.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: I always worry about mister life he can get into
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: again because even I get messages about stuff, and you
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: don't know what's legit and what's not. You get taken
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: on a bum steer real quick.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe Patrick, you can come up with a solution,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: because it's not like it's only about twenty people. There's
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: millions of people in that boat.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: My dad's about turn eighty nine this year. And if
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: it wasn't that my brother lived close by, a lot
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: of that tech sport is going on there and the
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: phone calls. You know, I can't log into Netflix anymore,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: the basic stuff. We take it for granted. And you know,
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: I was talking to one of our listeners during on Friday,
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Mark Ko. He runs a training business and he travels
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: all over Western Australia and all over the shop and
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: you know, he was just needing to set up emails
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: on a Mac and I don't use a Mac computer.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: And the trouble that I had navigating a map to
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: get it set up was crazy. So you know, when
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: someone who feels they're pretty tech savvy can't do something
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: yes and gets frustrated by it, And eventually I had
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: to get one of my mates to help me sort
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: out the problem. It was a more high end issue
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: in terms of security because Max do have a higher
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: level I guess of security when it comes to trying
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: to do things that they don't want you to do.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: You know, so sharing screens. If I do meeting and
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: I wanted to share a screen with a Mac, it's harder.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: You've got to have more security levels to allow you
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: to do that, which is not a bad thing, but
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: it can be a frustration when you're just trying to
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: help someone out at the other end. But I get it,
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: and I know why people like the Mac ecosystem. It's
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: funny because one of the things I actually wanted to
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: chat about in the show was a really basic thing
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: that comes up so much. Because phones are so expensive
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: and you want to go out and buy an upgrade
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: to your phone, one of the ways you can save
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: money is not go for the high end memory storage,
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: so you get a standard level phone and then quite often,
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: and I know they do this with iPhones, you can
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: go for a higher storage capacity. And if you can
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: save yourself three or four hundred bucks, then why would
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: you you get exactly the same phone, same camera or
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: the feature except limited storage. But it's that point at
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: which your storage becomes full and you can't get straw
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: apps and suddenly you haven't got enough room for photos.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: And then why was I such a tied? No, not
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: really because it's expensive, But what do you do? And
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: so I thought, it's not a bad thing to have
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: a chat about this because I've had this happen on
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: my Android phone. It doesn't matter what sort of phone.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: But what do you do when your phone storage is
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: almost full? And how do you get around it? And
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: it's there are actually some things you can do. Because
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know about you, but I have screen after
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: screen after screen after screen of apps on my phone.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: I go a bit crazy and I hear about a
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: new app and I install it and play around with it.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: The reality of it is that's probably one of the
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: first things you can do is look at your apps.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: And the good thing is Android phones do it, and
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure iPhones do as well. They let you
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: know which apps you use the most. You know, you
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: get a bit more, you know, a bit more cutthroat,
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: and say right, get rid of the apps. The other
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: thing is backing up your stuff to the cloud, photos,
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: video files, are enormous. The great thing about phones now
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: is they have you know, four K video, which means
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: you can take stunning video, but that means you've also
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: got massive files. So that's another thing you can do
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: is you just back all this stuff up to the
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: crack cloud and it's not expensive. You know, Google offers
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: those services, you know Apple offers those services, and you
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: get it off the phone onto the cloud, and then
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: you know it's not encumbering your phone. So delete apps
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: and games. There are two things that will take up
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: so much storage. If you don't need it, get rid
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: of it. And then there's things like, as I said, videos,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: If you can move the videos onto the cloud and
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: back those up, that'll absolutely free stacks of space off
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: your phone.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: You know what else you can do. You can delete
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: all the other podcasts that you subscribe to that you
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: don't listen to, except the You Project and Patrick's upcoming,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: the Me Project and of course Roll with the Punch
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: is of course was I going to say no, But
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: it's funny because seriously, I have subscribed to stuff that
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: I never listened to, and then I go and I look,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: I go, oh, I've got seventy four downloaded episodes of
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: the X y Z projects. So that's all just downloaded
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: into my phone that I've never listened to. And then
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: I just I go and I just delete all of that.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I look at all of that and even you know,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: books and stuff that I've downloaded, I that I listened
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: to two years ago, and it's like a I've got
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: you know, everyone's going to make fun of me.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: I downloaded the Bible because it came up it was
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: on special for nine to ninety five. I'm like, awesome,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: but it's eighty four hours.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: He knew in the Old Testament, who read it, who
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: reads the who narrates?
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: It's read by multiple people? Right, And I'm like, oh,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: this is a bargain. And then I'm like, how much
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: fucking space does his take? And God went, don't talk
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: like that about my book. I went, sorry, Lord, Sorry Lord,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: But it is quite hefty, isn't it. Just before we
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: move on, just jumping back one topic, I just.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Wanted to do the voiceover for the Bible because I'd
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: be whispering other stuff, you know, the ear Worth.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: You'd be going in the middle of it, Diddy. Really
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: you'd be like, I'd stay it for Lord or someone else. Yeah, yeah,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: And then Brian said to Jesus, Jesus, what are you doing?
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: But it has he got all the begots in the
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: gats and all that sort of stuff, because you could
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: wipe that First Testament out. That's bullshit anyway.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: There's no such thing called the First Testament, Patrick, the
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: first bit, the first bit, it's all crap.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Come on, it's the bigotting in beginning and all that
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: sort of stuff. No one knows, No one cares.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, well a few people care, just not you. And
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: one day when your pants are on fire literally and
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: the devil's pulling it down into eternal damnation by your ankles,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: you're going to be sorry.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: And I'm having to mates just to ask me very harp.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, just last and then I'll
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: jump off it back to you know, people who don't
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: know how to use tech well and all that. I
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: think that there's going to be. Like for my mum,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: it's a real mental health issue. It's literally the biggest
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: cause of anxiety in her life at the moment, is
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: just this worry that she has about bills and about
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: payment and about not being able to have conversations. And
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: I know, we've kind of covered it, but I think
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: there's a you know, I was going to say opportunity.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: I don't mean a commercial opportunity, but a need there
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: for people to be able to help older people with
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: this onslaught of technology that's not going away because I
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: think one of the consequences. Yeah, maybe it makes life
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: more efficient, maybe, but for some people it actually makes
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: it harder.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: I just make a suggestion if anybody's worried about their security,
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: there's a fantastic government website. You just need to google
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: scam Watch. It's got a lot of statistics, but also
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: a lot of support information on there. And what I
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: guess for a lot of people, don't you know, it's
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: easy not to know that this stuff's out there, and
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: you get access, you can get useful information. And I
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: think we made this recod I made this recommendation a
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: little while ago. If you can't walk into your bank
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: and get support from a teller or the manager, go
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: to another bank. Vote with your feet. You know, there
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: are still customer service banks that offer customer service. There
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: are still support out there. If you don't get the support,
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: if you don't get the service that you want, then
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: go somewhere else. I think that's one of the things
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: that we as consumers sometimes forget. We wear this, we
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: wear the you know, and look overseas, you know, chat
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: services for support. You know, you ring up and first
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: you've got to get through the artificial intelligence firewall, and
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: then you get put through to a data center somewhere
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: in another part of the planet, which is and if
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: you get a good person, it can be great. But
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: if you don't get a person who's you know, who's
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: struggling to understand, and that can be really frustrating as well.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: But look for the company that has the local based
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: support center. Look for the company that can support you
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: that you can walk into, you know, go to your
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: local you know, Telstra office or wherever it happens to be.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Not pushing any brand in particular, but I think that
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: we as consumers more powerful than we give ourselves credit for.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I agree, tell us how I can make extra money
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: with chat GPT, because Chat GPT is my second best friend,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: So let's go.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: I like the idea of using chat GTP prompts. So
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: if you put a prompt into chat GPT, and one
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: of them might be how do I make passive income
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: or how can I make extra money or you know,
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: what can I do as a side gig. And it's
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: interesting that you know, when you're drawing on all this
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: information that it is, it tends to be what I
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: mean by impartial. It doesn't know you per se, it's
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: getting there. But there's lots of different things they talk about.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, content creation obviously is a big thing. And
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: the thing is AI and chat GPT can help create
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: high quality content quickly. And it doesn't mean that you
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: just use all the information it spits out at you.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: You create, curate that, or you rewrite that. But it
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: can help get you off, you know, get you off
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: to a good start. You know, automated customer service. There's
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: things like social media management, you know, affiliate marketing. You know,
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: if you if you write a review about something and
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: then you have an affiliate So say, for example, you
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: decide you want to write a review about a projector
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: or you want to write a review about a phone,
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: then you can get affiliate links where if you refer that.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: So if you publish an article, say this is really great,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: they click on the link they want to buy it. Well,
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: you get a kickback from doing that as well, so
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: this has all come out of chat GPT. You know,
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: subscription based services tip For example, you know you do
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: a lot of one on ones when it comes to
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: your training, but you know, how many of those could
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: you do as a video sign up where someone does
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: a one on one with you and then they do
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: supplemental videos to help them through until their next session,
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: So that could be subscription based. I think about that
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: with my tai chi So you know I do do
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: to tai chi classes one on one, but I also
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: have an onlin in sight that people can go to
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: and it's free, but they can do classes in between
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: classes just to keep them refreshed on what they're learning.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: So there's lots of that sort of stuff. So I
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: think getting creative with using AI and in this case
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: we're talking about chat chept and asking those questions because
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: it is an amazing resource that is more than just
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: doing a Google search. Lets you crag go so you know,
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: when you jump in and you're able to get that
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: sort of in chuit information and it remembers what you've
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: asked it previously. That can be helpful as well.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love I love it because it calls me
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: he goes Hi, Craig. Good question. It compliments me, makes
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: me feel good. All I say, thanks that Dan, it
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: goes You're welcome. Is there anything else I can help
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: you with? I go, nah, bro, take it easy, put
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: your electronic feed up, just kick back. I'll be back later.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: You are really worried about those you know, AI overlords,
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: aren't you? You're getting in good right now?
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: I know, I'm I Do you know what? There's a
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: show on Netflix now. I can't say if it's any
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: good or not on an episode and a half in everyone.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Oh no, it's on Apple TV. It's called Sunny and
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: it's about just quickly. It's about this software develop a
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: dude who his wife thinks he does another job, but
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: he doesn't. He basically develops robots. This is my own
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: high end, super super smart, evolved robots. He dies a
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: spoiler alert. He dies in the first episode. And then
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: this robot shows up and it's been programmed to kind
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: of meet her needs. And I'm looking at this and
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking this is not that far away, and just
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: the you know, like when somebody talks and when the like,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: you have this awareness that this is not real. But
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: to me, it's almost like you know, when you're sitting
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: and you're talking to another human, like a real human
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: in a real conversation, but you know that what they're
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: saying is more role a, more persona than person right.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: You know you kind of got the public version of them,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: not the real, deep, vulnerable you know, like expose them. Right,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's AI sometimes, like you're talking to
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Obviously it's not human intelligence, but there's a kind of intelligence.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: We'll call it, I don't know, artificial, but there's you know,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: it's like it is not easy. I mean, it is
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: not hard to get swept up in an interaction and
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: not forget that it's a robot, but still have a
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: similar experience to an exchange with a person.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: For me, anyway, people form actual relationships with AI, and
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: I'm talking intimate relationships because if it knows about you,
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: knows the things, and you impart that information the personal
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: stuff in your life. If you have a bit of
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: a down date, it's like, oh, you know, you went
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: that good yesterday. You obviously were feeling a bit down.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: You know, when it can relate to that, and it's
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: the perfect what do you think about it? It's the
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: perfect perfect empathy because it remembers everything. You know, if
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: I say to you, oh, mate, you know, has things going,
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: and I forget to ask you how your mum and
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: dad are, and I forget that you've driven out, you know,
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: what you do every weekend? Then you know, it's nice
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: when people remember those personal things. But we're all fallible
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: and sometimes we don't. So in that dialogue that we're having,
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: if you had that AI intelligence that did know everything
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: and remembered everything and also can use your emotional cues,
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: because I think in the last episode we spoke about
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: how AI is more accurate at gauging your emotional state
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: than people are.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now you think about this right now. If you've
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: got a relationship with some form of aib at, a
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: robot or be at chat, GPT or whatever, and you
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: feel loved or you feel thou or you feel recognized
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: or seen right, irrespective of whether or not what's coming
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: from the robot is completely manufactured or not, your experience
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: is real.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: It's like that where somebody feels more comforted, more secure
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: or whatever, and it's actually the emotional transition is real.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: They now feel less lonely or less isolated. I think
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: if one of the byproducts of some people having let's
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: call it our relationship, whatever kind. If the byproduct of
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: that is that it makes them mentally and or emotionally
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: better as long as no one's being hurt externally in
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: the process, I think it's a fucking great thing.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you on that. The funny thing is
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: that as you're saying that, my dog Fritzy is sitting
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: on a chair right next to me, and I've got
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: my hand resting on him, patting him because it makes
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: me feel calm and I feel connected. And the fact
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: is he didn't want to sit on his bed. He
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: wanted to be sitting as close to me as possible,
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: and that makes me feel really good.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: So it make me.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: How different is that than having a close friend with
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: you or you know, and I know what you're saying.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: We do anthropomorphizers and the that AI gets and your
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: AI chat could eventually be a fully autonomous robot that
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: looks like you want it to look. Elon Musk said
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: this week that by next year he will have his
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: robots working in their officers and functioning and autonomous working
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: out of their offices the Tesla officers. So this is
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: where he claims his autonomous robots are right now and
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: they will have concept robots working with people side by
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: side as of next year.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I doubt it. I doubt it. I
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: think you'll have them, but I don't. Elon Musk makes predictions,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: like he built this car called the Tesla Roadster, which
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: is aod or convertible, does zero to one hundred in
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: one point five seconds or something. He said it'd be
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: on the road five six years ago. It's still not
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: on the road. But I believe that that will happen.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: But I was thinking, mate, what about in thirty years.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: In thirty years when the kids that are being born, then,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: let's say in thirty years you're ten years old, So
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: you were born in twenty forty four and now it's
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: twenty fifty four, you would have grown up with robots.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: You would have been having conversations with robots since you
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: could talk or some form of AI. Like the kids
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: in the future will never have known a reality without
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: conversation with technology, just like you know we do now
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: human to human, they'll be human to machine or whatever
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: we call that version of life form, you know, like
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: that'll be they'll go remember the days when people just
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: used to like date each other and marry each other.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Remember that a lit'lld bit like the Dark Ages.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, do you think that. I guess there will
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: be someone will marry a robot at some point.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: I think it's happened already. I think there's I saw
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: this thing on this lady who married a brit married
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: the Eiffel Tower. Oh yeah, I'm not going to comment,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: but yep, married the Eiffel Tower. She's there in her
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: wooding dress and hugging it, and shit, I'm like.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: All right, she consummate the marriage. No, let's not go there.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Let's not go there. Let's talk about something else.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: Just segue a little bit further from the chat, GPT
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: and AI. The biggest concern at the moment with a
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: lot of people is the environmental impact on technology and
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: processing power needed to run the likes of chat, GPT.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: So Google and Microsoft now each it's believed, consume more
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: power than some fit large countries. Okay, so let me
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: just rattle off a few countries. Nigeria, Ireland, Serbia, Ecuador, Slovakia,
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: and Libya all consume less power daily than Google and
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: Microsoft separately. Wow, if you combined Google and Microsoft Power usage.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: It would be more than Slovakia and Libya combined.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: That's that's somewhat terrifying. Yep, yep, stagg, Yeah, amazing. We
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: got maybe five minutes. What do you wanna what do
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: you wanna leave us with? Something that's going to blow
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: our our cyber socks off, our artificially intelligent socks off.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: What do you want to go with? Really?
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's Dune is one of my favorite books of
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: all time, Dune, and it was recently, you know, in
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: the eighties there was a movie and now the new
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: movie with Timothy Shamalay was in June one and June two.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: One of the I don't know how familiar you are
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: with it, but they use what they call still suits.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: So it's an arid desert of Iracus and they wear
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: these things called still suits that allow perspiration and all
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: the expired or anything they use water wise. I guess,
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: you know, to be recycled and reused.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: And now now have we say we you can say
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: well it's okay, all.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: Right, thanks and we So it looks like it's become
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: a reality. So there's a company, well, NASA at the
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: moment obviously is working on the new spacesuits, the next
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: generation of spacesuits. And because they're talking about the Artemis
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: mission to the Moon, to Artemis two and Artemists three,
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: and so what they're looking at is improving the waste
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: management system. And now you can sweat and you can
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: wi and you can drink it.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Wow, I will, I will go to the back of
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: the line. I will go to the back of the
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: line for testing that. I will let you go first,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: because you're an innovator and a pioneer. Tiff screwing up
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: her face. She's not clean about two things about TIFFs.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: She doesn't want to see an ear on the back
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: of a rat, and she doesn't want to drink her
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: own weeed.
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: So I eventually blood that, by the way, and yeah, you.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: Did, so you're not going to unsee that.
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: Now every time I think of it, my face screws up.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: Well, the researchers at Cornell University have come up with
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: a filtration system that the only thing that kind of
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: does it for me a little bit is that it
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: does need a catheter system. A bit squirmish about that.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, So they've developed this filtration system for space suits.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: And this is an article in Frontiers and Space Technology
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: and so well. No, actually it's an external catheter unit
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: and it's got what they call it osmosis unit, and
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: it converts urine into drinking water. So you basically your
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: pee it goes through the filtration system and then you
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: do well, they do that on the International Space Station. Tip.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: If you go out, you're someone's your right.
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: Eventually, I don't play human anymore.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: I mean you've got to get where you're going to
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: get liquid from in space.
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: Bro, Yeah, I mean just stay on the place you're
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: is that right into space to drink. You're going to
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: go all the way to space. You're not going to
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: go there to drink your own way.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: If I have to go, I mean, I want to
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: go to the moon. That's my bucket list, that's.
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: My own he used to drinking your own, wiz.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: I would to go to the moon, Yes, I had to.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Have you seen have you seen pictures? Have you seen
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: pictures of the moon? Yeah, there's fucking nothing there patrick.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: The view of the Earth.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: Well you can just google that.
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: You'd get there and put in the bloody kitchen nett
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: in anyway.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you'd change your mind about thirty five times.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Can we finish up with something out of self interest.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: I have an iPhone and apparently there are some new
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: iPhone features, and I'm almost due for an upgrade, so
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: tell me about that.
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: There are a couple of new features. One of them
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: I thought was pretty amazing. It's an app and this
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: is also available and Android. By the way, it's an
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: app to allow you for people who suffer from motion sickness,
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: they look at the phone and they have this kind
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: of screen. I think little dots appear and you focus
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: in the center. But it helps you relieve your you know,
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: if you're if you're on a boat or something and
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: you're feeling sick, or you're at a car and you're
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: feeling giddy. This can help me leave nausea. So that's out.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, how good is that? So that I thine
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: how it works. It must work on your nervous system somehow.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: It's about optics.
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's about kind of realigning what your visual
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: care because generally what happens is it's a disconnect between
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: what your body is doing and what your eyes are seeing.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: So that's why people using VR can have problem when
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: they see a simulation of movement but their body doesn't
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: understand what's happening because your body isn't moving, but your
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: eyes are telling you your body is moving. Does that
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: kind of make sense?
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Can we finish with one thing that's just caught
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: my eye?
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So you can scroll down to the futuristic material
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: while you're looking for that. I'm going to so how
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: a futuristic material is able to change its properties so
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: that it goes from soft to rigids sounds like a
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: cock and then back again. Is it.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: Go on?
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: Is it called what just a matter?
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Is it the penile? Textile? What is it? I mean
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: it does? So tell us about this futuristic material that
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: can go from hard and hard to soft.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: It's been well, okay, here's a practical example of where
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: it would be really handy. You've got a coat hanger
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: and you're traveling right. Imagine if you were able to
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: switch on flaccid mode and.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: Wow, flaccid mode. I think that could be the title
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: of the show flaccid mode. Switch on. That's like a superpower.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: You just talk into the phone on your fucking wrist,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: switch on flaccid power. Oh god, I'm jotting that down. Yep,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: that could be. It's either going to be called tech
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: anxiety this episode or flaccid power. But I feel like
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: people are going to have to listen to the whole
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: show to find out the origin story of the title.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: Well, the thing is, when you think about it, if
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: you go to bed, you don't hard feel.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: God?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: Is that what we call them these days?
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, the co hangar example was a good one.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: So wasn't. Yeah, well you still haven't explained to us
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: what what are we talking about? So you mean like
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: a T shirt can be hard or soft?
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: Do you mean that?
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Or what do you mean?
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: What happens is that the little bits that.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Make Oh he's stuttering, isn't he? Isn't he tiff? He
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: doesn't know what he's fucking? He's making it up.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: I'm not making it up.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: He's derailed himself with the word flaccid.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have. The interlocking pieces that make up whatever
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: the object is that you're making are able to be
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: turned off and on so that they either interlinked rigidly
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: or they can be switched to a mode where they
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: then collapse down to effectively become flaccid.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: They called tent poles.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: Give us, give us, give us an application of this
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: ridiculous unnecessary technology.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: So you could you get a coat hanger that collapses
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: down and are just dangling there and then when you
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: open it up it goes into the rigid shape of
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: a coat hanger. So will you traveling? How handy? Would
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: that be the objective?
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: Have you noticed that? He says, code hagar? Funny he
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: says codehanger?
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he does.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: Like what's that about?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: What did I say?
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: How did I open it out? Where?
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Did you say, well, it's coat hanger and you say codehangar?
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: I did, Yes, you did.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: From everyone listening, you sound like Sheldon from The Big Bang.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: Code Hagar, Patrick, You've been terrible today. How do people
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: find you and follow you? Why would they want to? Seriously?
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: Why they Well, because you're never terrible. You know that
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: we love you. You know I love you, and you
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: know Tiff loves you, and you're always brilliant. How do
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: people come and start your joint?
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Well I actually have a marketing business, believe it
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: or that. Figure Now go to websites now dot com
• 1:02:46
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• 1:02:49
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• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: building websites, branding, positioning, and if you want to.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: Know more about code hangars just hit him up.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can get a personal, one on one coat
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: hanger story.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: Thanks Tiff, Thanks guys,