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Terminator Genisys · Citizen Frame

• 0:03
  Judgment Day happens. So you're remembering the future? No. The boy is the alternate
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  timeline version of you.
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  Calriss is remembering his own past, which is our future.
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  That makes it so much better. How can he be remembering two timelines?
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  It is possible if he were exposed to a nexus point in the time flow when he were in a quantum field.
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  Can you stop him talking like that? Is there a switch or something?
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  Pops dragon. A nexus point is an event in time of such importance that it gives
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  rise to a vastly different future.
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  After John was attacked, when I was in the sphere, that's when the memories began.
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  If John Connor were to be killed or compromised, it could result in the ability
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  to remember both pasts, theoretically.
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  Music.
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  All right, guys. Oh, wait. You didn't do that in the last podcast?
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  Your Chewbacca impression? I know. I feel bad.
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  Right? I think it's because he's technically not in it. Yeah.
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  Well. So that's why. Yeah. Fair enough.
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  So, can you hear my chair squeaking? Yeah, kind of, actually, yeah.
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  Okay, can you hear this? Yeah, I can hear it squeaking. Okay, guys.
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  So, I just want people to know I'm on a squeaky chair. I'm using my folks' office,
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  so I'm not recording my regular office.
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  So, if you hear this, that's not me farting.
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  Let's get that out of the way now. That sounds like a Terminator fart.
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  There you go. Metallic? Yeah. It'd be like.
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  Yeah.
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  All right. Yeah. This movie actually has a tagline and I like my movie taglines, right?
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  Okay. But this one has the perfect fucking tagline for this film.
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  The rules have just been reset.
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  Yep. What they should have added onto that was add not for the better.
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  This had such fucking potential Guys, I was on board for some of this I was
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  like the first couple of minutes Okay,
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  we're doing a requel Kind of like this You know,
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  but oh boy If you don't have the original cast back And you're going to be ballsy
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  by doing this You better do it right Like they did with Halloween 2018 And Halloween
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  Kills and Ends They did a perfect job of blending old with new And, ugh All right,
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  So Paramount bought the rights. They were going to do a trilogy.
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  So this was already greenlit for two more sequels. They had to rush it,
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  go figure, because the rules are- The rights.
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  The 2019 camera got the rights back. Yes, yeah.
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  And that's why he quickly had Dark Fate ready to go, because he wanted to fix
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  what was about to happen. Yeah. Yeah.
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  You've got Alan Taylor on board. Not a bad choice. Did Thor Dark World.
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  Not a fan of it, but I can see why he'd do a Terminator film.
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  And he's obviously known for Game of Thrones.
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  That might be the director's downfall on that one, just because that's why he
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  casted Emilia Clarke. And she is fucking woeful. Yeah.
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  I mean. Her and Jay Courtney, basically the two leads, because Arnie's a supporting
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  character here, and he just looks tired and old, sadly.
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  I'm sorry to say. but the two main leads here are Piss Poor.
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  Yeah, not too good. We got Lorne Balt this time, who I like as a composer.
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  I like him. He did all of Michael Bay's stuff and Mission Impossible.
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  So he's a good director, and I do like the score on this. I don't get my ba-dum-bum-ba-dum.
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  Get it at the end. Get it at the end, yeah.
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  Yeah, but not really. Yeah. And Arnold
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  Is casted And he's not
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  casted Oh boy As the
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  Terminator He is casted as the
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  Guardian It doesn't even make sense Well it
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  does because he's protecting No I know that there but You know Because he's
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  not a Terminator anymore He doesn't terminate and that's the problem I'm just
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  fucking bored with this already With this Arnie as a good guy Terminator It
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  was played out after 2 I never got it again and again And it's just, you know,
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  fucking It's just boring me now So it is.
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  Well, on paper you got a pretty good Well, some good actors in here,
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  You got Arnold Who plays the Guardian, Jason Clarke Who I do like to see,
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  I love him in Zero I do like him, he's in it And he's good in it,
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  and he was in Zero Dark 30, so I enjoy Jason Clarke's stuff,
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  Mila Clarke Nope, as Sarah, Jay Courtney Nope, that's Kyle Reese.
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  Yeah. Then you got J.K. Simmons, which wasn't a bad idea of why he's there.
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  Matt Smith, completely wasted, plays Alex. With a dodgy American accent.
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  Then you've got the Dysons. The Dysons, they created Genesis, right? Yes.
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  No, no, basically after Pooh, so basically after Pooh,
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  Skynet was no more, but this is Miles Dyson's son, who was a kid in Terminator 2.
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  Oh, that's how I recognised the name. He was the kid in Terminator. Yes. Okay. Yes.
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  Fair enough. And then, oh my god, wasted.
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  You've got Lee Byung-hun, I believe is how you pronounce his name.
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  My apologies if I got that wrong.
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  He plays the cop. He's kind of like the T-1000 in this. Yes, the T-1000.
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  He is so good. I like him. He should have been in the whole film.
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  You've got, I mean, he's He plays Storm Shadow in G.I. Joe, Magnificent Seven. He's in Squid Game.
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  I Saw the Devil, Red 2. The guy's got, I really like seeing him on the screen
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  and I wanted more of him, but sadly we don't get enough of him.
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  In the beginning, I think would have worked. It's kind of like a,
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  just to kind of recap, I guess you can say.
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  It's 1997. It's pretty much Earth being destroyed.
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  It's actually a pretty nice little segment. Unfortunately, it's
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  kind of ruined by the incredibly bland voiceover
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  by jay corny there's some
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  nice shots though the plane and the little kids look out the window and he sees the
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  missiles flying in the air you know i think this is what they were actually
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  something similar that they were going to shoot for the ending of three but
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  they decided not to because of it was too soon after 9 11 but yeah okay yeah
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  but but no it's It's effectively done with the apocalypse essentially happening.
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  Yeah. And then you see the back to the steampunk world where I talked about
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  last podcast more of a Holocaust field.
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  Yes. So you see the humans being barcoded. Yeah.
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  As you're being put into camps and stuff like that.
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  So he went too far off the path there. Yeah.
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  I love how they changed the classic photo we have had.
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  Oh, it's the red photo. insight we've had this photo since the very first time
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  and and we get this horrible redone picture with amelia clark it's horrendous
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  if i was linda hamilton i would sue for millions.
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  It's horrendous and it jars it sticks out like a sore thumb as does she sadly
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  you know we're going from linda hamilton to and amelia clark she looks she has
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  no presence to try and make her a bit of a sort of badass girl boss type.
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  She's not. She has no presence. She has no sort of command and authority.
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  She looks like a child, you know?
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  It's just bad, bad casting.
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  I'd like to be opening sequence. You have me with, they're going in and they're
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  attacking Skynet and you got the old fashioned droids back and they're doing
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  their best to kick some ass.
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  We'll see the time travel machine. And then you realize what they're doing. Well, let me, what?
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  At last see the time travel on the machine that they use.
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  And that's, yeah, that's what I was about to get to. Thanks, Trevor.
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  I hate life, guys. I hate life. I really do.
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  Don't just help me out. So as, oh, here we go. He does it again.
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  So, oh, just, oh my God. I always sound like being terminated.
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  I'm like Matt Smith whispering in your ear. No, that goes to Jason Clarke.
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  Oh dear God. Okay. Yeah. Okay.
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  So anyways, yeah. So as, I don't know if you heard his voice over my narrating
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  there, but yes, they're trying to get, stop the Terminator for going into these
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  time travel thingy-ma-jobber. Mm-hmm.
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  Because obviously the Terminator is going to go after to the 1984 film.
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  And this, I was like, okay, I'm into this. Oh boy.
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  So we're back in the original film. You even have the dumpster scene.
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  You got already coming back.
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  I actually enjoyed it. I'm going with this.
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  Jake Hortons, Michael Biehn, nope. The punks, the new actors you use for punks, jarred for me as well.
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  You know what's pissing me off about this? With all the technology,
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  they could have easily brought those actors back or used the same scene and
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  put them in there. Yeah, totally.
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  That could easily have been done with their permission. I'm sure Bill Paxton
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  would have been fine with it. Brad Thompson, yeah.
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  Yeah, and the gang. I can't see them saying no, know, because I do like how, give me your clothes.
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  Yeah. And then you hear, you won't be needing them. And then there's Arnie kicking his ass.
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  So I liked where this was going. Good Arnie fighting bad Arnie.
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  Oh, sorry, the guardian. Yeah.
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  And I really did enjoy this.
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  The only problem I have with you doing, going back, peppering,
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  going back into the original, you need to have the original cast back for that.
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  Yeah. out you've got arnie which is great the cops are throwaways that's
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  fine but and i love like i
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  mentioned the new t1000 but if
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  you're going to do this you need to have robert patrick back and you need to
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  have linda hamilton back yeah and you need to especially have michael b 100
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  percent uh and even down to the details like the punks you know bill paxton
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  and stuff brandt thompson they could Could have at least got permission to use CGI their faces.
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  I would say as well, the CGI is on Canny Valley with Arnie's face.
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  You know, it was like they did with Rogue One with Princess Leia and Peter Cushing.
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  It was around the same period this was released.
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  It does jar slightly, you know, and you are sort of focusing in on the flaws
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  of it, you know, supposed to be young Arnie when it's clearly CGI grafted onto a stand-in's face.
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  But whatever at least we did get like the
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  young arnie but we didn't get we got completely different
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  actors for all of the rest of them essentially which does
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  jar a lot i still liked
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  it i thought it was i thought it was clever and i wasn't it was fun but the
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  piggyback on your comment you couldn't stop looking at it it's the one reason
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  when we get to the mad maxes is the reason george George Miller had to recast Charlize Theron. Yeah.
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  Because he goes, I could have easily de-aged her.
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  Not that much. She still looks fairly young.
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  But the problem is people will be more focused on the de-aging than they would
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  the landscape she's shooting around her. Yeah.
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  So that's why he didn't do it. So that's kind of what you just said a little
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  bit there. Pretty much, yeah. I still went with it. I still enjoyed it.
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  I thought it was kind of fun.
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  And you have me. I love-
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  the T-1000. I love the actor playing him.
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  He doesn't speak. I can buy the T-1000 more than I can buy the rest of him being
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  recast because in my sort of head canon, I can say, well, he can reshape.
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  He can become whatever shape he wants. Yeah, exactly.
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  I can sort of run with that with the T-1000. But for some reason,
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  the punks, I don't know, that's only really tiny roles.
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  But that's a popular scene. People quote that all the time. So you better be
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  careful with it. Yeah, exactly.
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  They had me right up until the punks. So they did.
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  Yeah, we're on the same page so far. Yes.
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  You've had me. I was into it. I was like, okay, you're doing something different.
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  Yeah. You could have some mistakes. That's fine. I'll go with it.
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  But once Jay Courtney gets into the car and he sees there's a T-800 there,
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  this is where the film is done. Yeah. It's over. Yes.
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  It's over. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much. So if you, if you guys like I'd watch the
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  first 20 minutes and I turn it off.
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  Or at least keep it on until the T 800 gets it once you've been to the T 1000
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  gets it, which by the way, he gets it way too soon.
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  He's the best villain. I mean, again, it's why can't these fucking people get the villain, right?
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  You have them, you finally brought back to you and you kill them. What?
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  Not even halfway through the film? Well, as soon as a child pops up,
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  i.e. Emilia Clarke, and goes, come with me if you want to live. Oh, God.
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  Like, sort of like, it's like a flippin', yeah, it's basically like a small
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  kid, you know, trying to be medicine and sort of authoritative.
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  And it just, that's me, I'm done. You know what I mean? I can't take this serious.
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  You should have got actors of calibre. I'm sure the other ones were busy doing
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  Marvel, but Scarlett Johansson, Chris Evans would have been good.
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  Uh somebody he hadn't died yet he was still alive you should have brought him
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  back for kyle reese even bring him back why not yeah but he probably he probably
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  read the script and said ah no thanks the script well i think probably look
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  not bad on paper it's all over the place.
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  Oh my god there's the line that the guardian gives you have to meet with him
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  yeah i know and then she's like i have to want i want to i want to i want to
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  fall in love first i'm like oh fuck Fuck me, here we go.
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  Not only am I bored at this point with Arnie playing good guy Terminators,
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  I'm also bored with the stupid, corny humor, you know, when he does that smile
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  thing, you know, and stuff and you need to mate and stuff.
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  Yeah, we've already seen this before, done a couple of times,
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  you know, in Terminator 2 and 3.
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  It was shit then and it's even more shit now, you know. Give me a break.
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  Here's the plot. So, Fuck me.
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  So when the T-800 arrived in 1984 in Los Angeles, that Skynet's T-800. Yes. Yes.
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  When that is crushed and killed by Sarah and Pops. Yes.
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  It's programmed on, it was enabled by Sarah and Pops. Uh-huh.
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  It can't be Pops, he wasn't there.
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  A reprogrammed T-800 is sent by an unknown party. We never find out who actually
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  sent the fucking T-800. Yes, I know, which is convenient.
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  Yeah. Yeah. Sent Pops into 1973 to protect a young Sarah when she was nine years
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  old after her parents were killed by a T-1000 sent by Skynet. Yes, yes.
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  Couldn't see any of that. That would have been alright. Can we see that scene?
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  We don't see the scene itself, but we see the aftermath again.
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  D.H. Darnie with the sunglasses on as the protector of her.
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  Yeah, I suppose it sort of suggested that John may have sent it back,
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  but it's never explained.
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  This script is a convoluted mess, and while some aspects of it would have been
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  fun, see with time travel, You know what I mean?
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  You're, you're going down a rabbit hole of all sorts of plot holes.
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  And this is a prime example of it.
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  So it is. So I don't know what the film is.
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  Films, films, films. If the film is good. Yeah. And you're with the characters
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  back to the future is a perfect example. You can get away with mishmash. Yes.
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  You can get away. Well, what about this and this? This is taking itself too
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  fucking seriously for us not to pick out. But even.
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  We're back to the future. You're just like, oh, fuck it. I don't care.
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  I'm going. But even I would defend back to the future and saying that although
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  it appears there are plot holes,
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  it's actually pretty watertight whenever you and it
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  plays by its own rules this rule book is thrown right out
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  the window here and see all this bullshit about 1973
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  and stuff i mean that's just a
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  plot device to sort of have that have them change things up and have arnie in
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  it basically as a good terminator that's all that's there for and the fact that
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  they're so lazy they can't even be bothered to explain who sent arnie back in
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  1973 it's just it's just a jar sticks out like a sore thumb,
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  like so much of the rest of this.
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  They couldn't even be arsed, you know?
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  So, all these years, they have built a time machine. Yeah. Oh my god.
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  More bullshit. Yeah.
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  Okay, so Sarah Connor and Pops, I can't believe I'm saying Pops,
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  the Terminator, you know what, I'm going to call it Pops because it's definitely
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  not a Terminator anymore. Yeah, no, no, I don't know what this is.
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  They've spent 11 years preparing to travel to 1997 to stop Judgment Day. Yes.
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  Okay. Yes. And Kyle Ray's convinces them, no, we have to go to 2017 instead
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  because he thinks Judgement Day is going to happen now because of his memories
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  telling him so. He's having like double memories of two lives.
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  Yeah, because of the loophole or whatever you call it.
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  There's some line by Arnie where Arnie says, theoretically, this is possible
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  because the timelines have changed so he's experiencing two sets of memories.
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  Yeah, I get that. But here's what I don't get. We'll get to it at the end.
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  I'm jumping ahead. I'm doing a Trevor.
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  But I caught myself. See that? I caught myself doing it. I'm not being a Trevor.
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  Oh my God. So when they time travel to 2017 now. Yes.
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  Can two people time travel together in the same one? They like mold and be freaky as shit.
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  Okay. And it appears that Arnie, also, how does Arnie, is he Doc Brown now?
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  Him and the child? I mean, leah clark are they like
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  doc brown and marty now where they can just build a time machine out of spare
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  parts in a fucking garage you know right so i'm more concerned about how they
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  actually built a time machine i get that arnie knows about well i guess arnie
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  knows technology and he's you know so and maybe he built the other one but hold
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  on they're in the 1970s no no the technology of the,
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  1970s and 1980s up to 1984 well if you want to make this argument then you can
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  make the same Margo by Back to the Future of the DeLorean.
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  But Doc Brown was a genius, and he had a giant flux capacitor.
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  You know what I'm saying?
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  My point is, you just proved my point.
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  Back to the Future gets away with it because the silliness and the fun and you're
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  having a great time with it.
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  This one doesn't because it's taking itself too seriously. Yes,
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  and there's too much plot conveniences.
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  There's way too many plot conveniences where it's just like,
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  they're basically saying, ah, the audience are stupid, they'll not ask these questions, but we are.
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  So anyway, long story short, Doc Brown, i.e. Pops, has made a time machine with a child.
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  So, okay. Okay, so Skynet's gone, which they took care of already. We know that.
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  Technically, they took care of it in Salvation. Yeah.
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  And Dyson dying. You mean in Terminator 3? Genesis is the new one. Yes.
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  But people don't realize that that's actually Skynet in disguise. Yeah.
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  And Doctor Who is the one implementing the plan. Yes, that's right. Yeah, Matt Smith.
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  Yeah, who here is called for some reason in the credits Matthew Smith, but anyway.
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  I saw that. I saw that. Yeah, he's being sophisticated. Yeah, well, this is it.
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  I think it was maybe he was trying to sort of establish himself at this time
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  as a Hollywood actor, so he had sort of rebranded himself slightly.
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  But anyway, well, he's, you know, good on him. He's done well with Terminator Genisys and Mortgage.
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  That's a good actor. if i was if i was if i was matthew
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  oh sorry matt smith i'd fire my agent two seconds
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  right but here's the thing if skynet was defeated
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  in night there's overlapping timelines here
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  i don't know but but there's overlapping timelines that don't make sense
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  you know because if you know because the events of this film rewrite and render
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  moot the events of terminator 2 you know so see see the way the timelines are
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  so messed up here it doesn't actually
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  make logical sense within its own universe, or at least in my head.
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  But again, it's another classic case of, oh, the audience are stupid.
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  We'll just have like a chase scene or we'll have some action so that the audience
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  don't dwell on it too much.
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  It's basically smoke and mirrors.
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  So it is, let's basically fool the audience by giving them an explosion.
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  You know, I said in the last podcast, near the end of it, that this film has such hope.
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  And I always never understand why they go a different direction.
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  Do you ever, you know, when you watch the film, you're like, oh, I'm into this.
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  And then it goes fucking way out of the fucking, outside the box.
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  And you had the T-1000 back played by Awesome Dude.
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  You had, I liked the O'Brien character, actually. I really enjoyed him coming back from the original.
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  He's the one cop who survived and has always been trying to hunt these guys
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  down. Yes. I liked that, that whole Mulder kind of character. Yeah.
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  And then you had beautiful visual effects. They could have been taken on an
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  AI form, Alex, they call them, which is played by Matt Smith. Oh, sorry, Matthew.
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  Dr. Who? Yeah. You had the bus scene, which was really fun. The helicopter stuff was cool.
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  You had some- I think the CGI is looping here. All these good CGI. You had it there.
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  And then you go off into, you know what it is.
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  I'm going to say, oh my God. And then you had Jason Clarke, who... He's a good villain.
• 22:31
  What a plot twist you would have had if you didn't put him on the fucking poster. And the trailer.
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  They give it away in the trailer. I remember at the time, there was a whole
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  outcry, and quite rightly so.
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  They give away the big twist in the trailer that he was basically the bad Terminator in this.
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  You know, John Connor was the villain. And they give it away in the trailer.
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  I mean, this is just mismanagement. yeah this
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  this is this is that studio yeah oh
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  i don't think the director would have wanted studio mismanagement so
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  it is but i would say but aside from all that given
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  away the that and the trailer and stuff and you know for
• 23:08
  me the major problems here are the script running amok and i'm being nonsensical
• 23:14
  when you really examine it you know they do try and get away with with all of
• 23:18
  the action scenes and you know thinking the audience won't pay attention but
• 23:21
  the major thing for me even worse than the script is jay courtney and amelia clark.
• 23:28
  Jay courtney jay courtney's kind race i don't know
• 23:31
  even if it's just his acting or the way it's written i think it's
• 23:34
  a bit of both actually there's what was the vulnerability where
• 23:37
  you feel sorry for kyle racy's this war porn devastated
• 23:41
  long-suffering guy that you feel for and you feel so sorry for and you relate
• 23:46
  to and you're rooting for this guy this is just this is like Like some model
• 23:51
  who in some way has been no way affected by all the horrors he's seen and stuff.
• 23:57
  It's just, it's terrible.
• 24:00
  Compare this to michael bing in the original this is just it's like night and day so it is,
• 24:07
  amelia clark just has no presence i'm sorry
• 24:10
  to say she has the physicality of a small child but yet they ridiculously try
• 24:16
  and like have her like bossing everybody about and you know shouting and being
• 24:20
  badass action check whenever she's shooting a gun she looks like she's going
• 24:23
  to be blown back into the fucking next room you know what i mean well she was wielding swords,
• 24:30
  I'm not in the game of thrones but you know so can't comment on that but I mean
• 24:35
  my three-year-old niece would make a more convincing sir connor you know we have water pistol.
• 24:45
  Yeah yeah so we got the t3000 yes that's it's pretty much all that is is nanobytes
• 24:53
  yeah Yeah. They pretty much take over the body.
• 24:56
  And so there you go. That's what John Connor is. I also thought.
• 24:59
  Because you see him get grabbed by Matt, AI with Matt Smith. Yeah.
• 25:03
  As he was, as John was time traveling. Yes.
• 25:07
  Another scene that should have been cut or handled better because it would have
• 25:11
  made more sense if you had a picture of, of,
• 25:15
  of John Connor looking at the, as they're time traveling and the camera could
• 25:20
  pan right above his, behind his shoulder.
• 25:22
  We could have saw Matt Smith giving him a glare That's all you need to show
• 25:27
  But once he grabbed him and his face starts changing And turning fire Well you
• 25:31
  knew John Connor's dead He's not getting out of this I didn't think it was going
• 25:34
  to be this easy did you Yeah so right there you planted the seed Oh he's a bad guy now Why do that.
• 25:40
  You can show that in a flashback After he
• 25:43
  shows up And he's been revealed he's the
• 25:46
  bad guy But why do it so early in the film Also
• 25:49
  I have to say and I'm with Matt Smith fan matt smith's
• 25:53
  accent is very inconsistent he's english
• 25:56
  at the very start here or it's like his usual sort
• 25:59
  of voice and then next thing um whenever he pops up
• 26:02
  later on he's like got this weird sort of fake
• 26:04
  american accent and stuff it's just jarring and and
• 26:08
  again i love matt and i think he's a great
• 26:10
  actor and a great guy but it's just like what's going on here
• 26:13
  yeah apparently he was being set up to be a villain
• 26:17
  of the main villain for what was
• 26:20
  proposed as another trilogy that never happened you
• 26:23
  know after this one was so critically panned and stuff it's it's just there's
• 26:28
  so also i would say as well the whole genesis app thing total play on black
• 26:32
  mirror you know black mirror do that thing like basically with every episode
• 26:36
  type thing yeah it's just it's just a mish mish of,
• 26:41
  all crazy ideas and bullshit.
• 26:44
  And you have this, you have this bus scene, which I really, I really enjoy just
• 26:47
  for the effects, but there's no, here's the problem.
• 26:51
  I figured it out. Yeah. There's a problem.
• 26:55
  In Terminator, you had the violence. You had the innocence. Yes.
• 26:57
  Of Sarah Connor and the other Sarah Connors.
• 27:00
  Even in the policemen getting gunned down, it's a horrible scene.
• 27:03
  Fun is this. It's terrifying seeing cops getting gunned down in their own home turf.
• 27:08
  It's brutal. The second one, you had pizzazz.
• 27:13
  You had really cool new state-of-the-art effects. You had a really badass villain.
• 27:18
  Some hokiness where you and I couldn't stand, but it's still a solid little
• 27:22
  film. And you loved Arnie. no matter what. Yeah.
• 27:25
  It's Arnie. Yeah, it's my summer eye candy. Yeah. Not Arnie's.
• 27:28
  That sounded bad. It's Terminator, gold popcorn. Yeah.
• 27:32
  We'll take it. No problem.
• 27:34
  And if Edward Furlong did get it in Judgment Day or Sarah Connor did get it
• 27:40
  in Judgment Day, you were rooting for Arnie to save them.
• 27:44
  And you felt sorry for Miles Dyson. You liked that character.
• 27:49
  These two hanging off a bus, I was hoping the bus would follow. Well, I was also.
• 27:54
  Or they fall. Yeah. That's my point. My point is that you've got these effects
• 27:58
  guys working their asses off to give you some solid effort here and probably even the director.
• 28:04
  But when you cast these two Muppets in this part, I could not give one rat's ass who died.
• 28:12
  Well, let's just say. The only one I was rooting for was O'Brien and the Terminator.
• 28:16
  Well, sorry, the Guardian. No, no, no, no. I was rooting for Jason Clarke.
• 28:21
  And Matt Smith. Sorry, Matthew. oh
• 28:24
  my god and then after the bus scene they get arrested
• 28:27
  and they're playing the bad boys thing oh it's it's
• 28:30
  yeah it's completely out of um you know
• 28:33
  what i mean just like ruins the tone i
• 28:36
  know the tone was wasn't exactly the most powerful anyway but then
• 28:39
  bad boys bad boys what you yeah it's just
• 28:42
  cringe and and then then like arnie's like
• 28:45
  in the intervening years arnie's like had a hideout in the
• 28:48
  mountain where he's got all these guns but he's also like become more
• 28:51
  human for some reason even though he's an android which doesn't make any sense
• 28:54
  and he has her ghetto blaster and like he
• 28:56
  started throwing like i don't know maybe it
• 28:59
  was her pictures he has from whenever she was a child we draw on you know i
• 29:04
  remember he drew them himself because he's like a fucking child himself you
• 29:08
  know becoming more human it's like i mean what shit am i watching here you know
• 29:12
  and then you've got the there's a nice scene where they're flying these helicopters
• 29:16
  right And he goes, I'll be back.
• 29:19
  And he self-sacrifices himself to jump into the other blades of the helicopter,
• 29:22
  which I thought was cool. Yeah, but it doesn't make any sense. No, let me finish.
• 29:25
  Let me finish. Let me finish. Go ahead.
• 29:28
  And then he comes back. He's got a little cut on his left cheek. I'm like, fucking A.
• 29:32
  He would be a robot by this point. His skin would be gone. But fine,
• 29:35
  we'll go over that. Here's the problem.
• 29:38
  Terminator 1 and 2, there was peril. There was dread.
• 29:44
  There was all these mixed emotions. Yep. This played off like an Avengers film.
• 29:50
  Yes, and I think- Really cool effects.
• 29:52
  Yep. But they're getting away
• 29:54
  from these droids that they really would not be able to get away with.
• 29:58
  The other ones, Terminator 2, Salvation, and the original Terminator,
• 30:03
  yes, they got away, way but it was on the hard shore to get away from it and
• 30:09
  that was just one fucking machine,
• 30:12
  and these guys are getting away from the cops and
• 30:15
  they're just it's just so it's too easy no tension you know what i mean there's
• 30:20
  no power it comes across like we're watching a video game here you know it's
• 30:25
  basically you know explosion and something stupid happens and you know we've
• 30:30
  We've got wooden characters and actors in the roles. Sorry to say.
• 30:34
  Arnie looks tired and bored and just there for the paycheck.
• 30:37
  Going through the motions. Arnie's just going through the motions here. So yeah sorry to say.
• 30:42
  And along with a load of plot holes within the script. And stuff that doesn't
• 30:46
  tie in with the rest of the films.
• 30:48
  This is a complete mess.
• 30:51
  So it is. The stuff with Arnie jumping out of the helicopter when he says I'll be back.
• 30:55
  That was a scene solely to get him to say I'll be back.
• 30:58
  It doesn't make any sense because he just like you know
• 31:01
  jason clark you don't see him and jason clark fight when
• 31:04
  he jumps out of the helicopter and then jason clark just pops up at cyberdome
• 31:08
  systems and so does arnie with a fucking spear or something you know it's just
• 31:14
  it's like a superhero film few like you say like an avengers marvel film fused
• 31:19
  with watching somebody play a video game,
• 31:23
  So when Arnie sacrifices himself to sucks the other guy into the time machine. Yeah. Once again.
• 31:32
  You had me. I was like, well, you did, because with Arnie Gets It, I get upset.
• 31:35
  It's my Arnie. Okay. I'll be the first one. I mean, if you don't,
• 31:39
  then you're not an Arnie fan. Yep.
• 31:40
  And I don't think you really are, Trevor. You've always put him down.
• 31:46
  So when he gets sucked in, I'm like, oh.
• 31:50
  But when he fucking comes back as a fully formed T3000 model,
• 31:57
  because the goo absorbed into
• 31:59
  him, and now he's a fully functional back to being a badass guardian. Yep.
• 32:04
  I was like, oh, fuck me. Why are you killing me now? Yeah, yeah.
• 32:10
  Yeah, he says, I've had an upgrade, you know.
• 32:15
  And then they go to the fucking farmhouse of young Kyle Reese where Kyle tells
• 32:20
  him, remember Genesis is Skynet, Genesis is Skynet.
• 32:23
  Should have fixed everything, he doesn't need to tell him that now.
• 32:26
  They say that, but he says just in case. or something like that.
• 32:30
  I don't know. Who cares? Yeah. But it gets worse. Who gives a shit?
• 32:32
  It gets fucking worse. Yeah.
• 32:34
  As he's talking to his younger self, Arnold and fucking idiot Amelia Clark are
• 32:42
  talking and she goes, Kyle Reese is a good man.
• 32:46
  Now Sarah can fuck him. Yeah. Because that's what she wanted.
• 32:49
  She had to make sure she was a good man. Yeah.
• 32:51
  And that she loved him. Now they're going to go have yum yum time and make John Connor.
• 32:55
  There's actually also zero sexual chemistry between
• 32:58
  the two of them throughout the whole film oh there's sarah yeah
• 33:01
  best part of the film though we get it the end credits for
• 33:04
  two reasons a it's my
• 33:07
  dun dun dun and do you know
• 33:10
  there's a mid-credits scene again tanning with the whole marvel thing uh no
• 33:14
  it's not no not tanning with marvel but there is a mid-credits scene what is
• 33:19
  it i just noticed it for the first time last night when i was watching it for
• 33:22
  this podcast it's basically the wreckage of cyberdine and matt smith's hologram. Sorry, Matthew.
• 33:29
  His hologram appears very briefly again. That's it.
• 33:33
  So it is. It's like setting up the sequel that never happened. Thankfully.
• 33:39
  This is like the true nadir of the Terminator series.
• 33:43
  You know, you talk about 3 being awful. At least 3 was in its own way a Terminator film.
• 33:50
  You know, this is I don't know what this is. This is a bad fan film.
• 33:54
  This is like what the perfect way I'm actually going to dig deep here because
• 34:00
  the filmmakers did it so I'm not. But this is the perfect way of explaining this.
• 34:06
  This is when you, if you go to, if you go to the record store. Yeah. Right.
• 34:12
  And you, let's say the Eagles. I'm going to get the Eagles box set.
• 34:17
  Yep. Right. Their greatest hits. I'm all excited.
• 34:20
  I'm going to get myself the Eagles box set. Right.
• 34:23
  I'm going to sit down, put it in and listen to the Eagles. Okay. And just chill.
• 34:29
  But she ended up getting the greatest hits of the Eagles played by Hanson.
• 34:35
  Or Heath Hanson. Actually, I take that back. Hanson's actually kind of talented.
• 34:40
  What? Heath Hanson? The Barats? They are.
• 34:43
  But my point being, do you get what I'm saying with that?
• 34:48
  It's like a per cover bond. Yeah. They're trying to give us back what we want but poorly done.
• 34:56
  They're giving us the Terminator greatest hits But like you say,
• 34:59
  but it's done by, I don't know, Garza Loud.
• 35:04
  Yeah, or Aqua. Aqua. Yeah. Ace of Base does the Eagles.
• 35:11
  So that's what this film is. No, I've got it. It's Terminator done by Westlife. There you go.
• 35:20
  Terminator's greatest hits by Boyzone. Jesus Christ.
• 35:26
  Actually, it'd probably be better than this crap. I think it's a pretty good
• 35:29
  metaphor. Actually, I'm proud of us with that one. Yeah.
• 35:32
  All right. So we're going to pretty much wrap that one up.
• 35:37
  I just don't, I can't even give any more time to this piece of shit.
• 35:42
  Dreadful. All right. We're going to. Comedy gold for all their own reasons, you know.
• 35:47
  We're going to be coming back with Dark Fate as I've been boasting about it.
• 35:52
  I really did enjoy that fucking film. and it's violent and it's gritty and it just throws no punches.
• 35:58
  And so I could be wrong. I got to revisit it again, but I remember going,
• 36:02
  I'm looking forward. Yeah, and it shows it's Cameron's work.
• 36:06
  So we'll see what happens here. And hopefully out of the retrospective,
• 36:10
  we get four good films. Well, that'd be all right.
• 36:13
  Due to Genesis being so terrible, I checked out of the Terminator series at
• 36:17
  this point, so I didn't watch Dark Fate.
• 36:21
  But I'm now, based on what you're saying, I'm looking forward to watching it
• 36:25
  for the podcast for the first time.
• 36:27
  There you are. We'll get to that one next. Dun, dun, dun. Yep.
• 36:33
  All right. All right, guys. Thanks for giving us a shout. Give us a shout on
• 36:37
  Instagram, citizenframe underscore podcast, and of course, Facebook.
• 36:41
  And I guess we're on YouTube. Got a couple of comments on YouTube there.
• 36:44
  And I guess we're on, that's how bad I am at managing this. I didn't know it
• 36:47
  was on YouTube. But hey, thanks for the comments.
• 36:51
  So, you know, keep them coming. And then maybe I'll respond.
• 36:55
  Yeah. I don't see everything. You're not a Terminator? Or do I? You're not the T-3000?
• 37:00
  I'm the T-3000? Yeah. Oh, no, I'm Matthew Smith. Oh, sorry, Matt Smith. You're J.K. Simmons.
• 37:07
  Oh, fuck that. I get no Brian. That's fucking nuts. Jesus Christ.
• 37:12
  Not my fucking life. All right, guys, we're done.
• 37:16
  Music.