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Steve Cobucci: Wolves at the Gate · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

• 0:14
  Speaker 1: My god, ry.
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  Speaker 2: Today we've got Steve from Wolves at the Gates super
• 0:33
  Speaker 2: excited to chat with you. Steve. I think it's been
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  Speaker 2: like over three years for sure since we last chatted.
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: I think maybe the last time we chatted was when
• 0:41
  Speaker 2: Yulegi's came out. So here we are, like three years
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  Speaker 2: later and now we're talking a little bit about the
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  Speaker 2: new album. We're just super stoked for you to be
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  Speaker 2: on but we'll obviously we'll dive all into the new album.
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  Speaker 2: But before we get into that, how are you doing today, Steve?
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing I'm doing well. Yeah. As I said to
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  Speaker 3: you before, no news is good news. Three years of yeah,
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  Speaker 3: not not too many high highs and not too many
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  Speaker 3: lo lows, just status quo, which I will not complain about.
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  Speaker 3: So family's doing good, band's doing good. We're having fun
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  Speaker 3: making music and it feels great to feel this youthful
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  Speaker 3: about I guess creating music, even though our our birth
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  Speaker 3: certificates don't say that we're youthful.
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  Speaker 4: So is what is youthful for Wolves at the Gate? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Where are you guys at? On age? I see a
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  Speaker 4: couple of gray hairs starting to pop up there, so
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  Speaker 4: I'm curious.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well that's I think I'm at seven to
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  Speaker 3: twenty p right now, so if we were any higher definition,
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  Speaker 3: you would see more than a few. I'm thirty eight,
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  Speaker 3: I'll be turning thirty nine the summer. Ben will be forty.
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  Speaker 3: He's going to be the first to crack the four
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  Speaker 3: to zero.
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  Speaker 4: Oh man, I love it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: When did you first get a gray hair? Because I
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  Speaker 4: just got my first, like real patches this year and
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  Speaker 4: I'm thirty.
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  Speaker 3: Two, So it really depends on like when you say
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  Speaker 3: patches or gray hair? Are we talking lone single gray hair?
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  Speaker 4: Now we're talking like all right, I can like, not
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  Speaker 4: only can I tell, but everyone else can tell.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's inevitable at this point. Yeah, I think turning back.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think thirty five is when it was like,
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  Speaker 3: oh yeah, ok, right, uh right here, same spot for
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  Speaker 3: my dad, so it makes sense.
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  Speaker 4: And then in my mustache, yeah, oh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does seem like maybe generally that's where it
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  Speaker 2: kind of starts, somewhere on the sides and facial ill too.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: Do you feel do you feel the impending uh, the
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  Speaker 4: impending age Cliff in the metalcore world.
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  Speaker 3: To be honest, I've always felt old in the scene,
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  Speaker 3: not because I always was, but I think I just personally,
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  Speaker 3: I think a lot of guys started playing in bands
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  Speaker 3: when they were younger. And my first band was Wolves
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  Speaker 3: when I was like twenty one or twenty two, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and I was already like getting like I
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  Speaker 3: was finishing my junior year of college, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: a lot of guys like they're cutting their teeth at
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  Speaker 3: like fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, and then they're on tour. You know,
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  Speaker 3: they're on tour by the time they're seventeen or eighteen.
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  Speaker 3: And so by the time we were touring full time,
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  Speaker 3: I was twenty two or twenty three years old, and
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  Speaker 3: so a lot of these guys, I was like five
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  Speaker 3: years older than and so we would talk about influences,
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  Speaker 3: and they were influenced by the bands that are like
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  Speaker 3: current and I was influenced by bands that have all
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  Speaker 3: broken up or been in hiatus or whatever. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we always felt like as a band, we we showed
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  Speaker 3: up to the party a little too late. But that's
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  Speaker 3: eye of the beholder.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I don't know, I've always felt regardless, you've always
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  Speaker 4: had kind of at least you individually have always had
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  Speaker 4: kind of a stoic kind of individuality and soft spokenness,
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  Speaker 4: where maybe that lends itself a little bit too. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you're very thoughtful when you speak, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: So it's not like you're like going out there and
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  Speaker 4: doing the old you know, touring antics maybe like the
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  Speaker 4: fifteen year olds would have been.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I guess. I guess I'm not nearly as
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  Speaker 3: entertaining as most entertainers. And that's probably, uh, that's not
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  Speaker 3: what I meant by it, but okay, well that's I mean,
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  Speaker 3: that's how I I didn't think you were saying that,
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  Speaker 3: but that's how I see it. I'm much more like, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I guess I'm much more like the bands I was
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  Speaker 3: influenced by. You know, I think we're probably I probably
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  Speaker 3: just identified with their personalities more like one of my
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  Speaker 3: favorite bands is Thrice, and I felt like I could
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  Speaker 3: identify it with I see that their vocalists. Yeah, most
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  Speaker 3: like personality wise, because like, I'm a weird hybrid of
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  Speaker 3: introvert extrovert I think, although I could be either one
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  Speaker 3: depending on the situation, but I'm just like trying to
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  Speaker 3: do what probably fits the needs of like the group.
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  Speaker 3: But at the end of the day. I think I
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  Speaker 3: would rather kind of just like do my own.
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  Speaker 2: Thing, makes sense, speaking of thrice your your speaking voice
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  Speaker 2: sounds very similar.
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  Speaker 4: You are a lot like Dustin.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, something you've noticed.
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  Speaker 4: True.
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  Speaker 3: We both just eight nails, you know, and gravel for
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  Speaker 3: cereal and just got this gravelly you know, voice kind
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  Speaker 3: of look.
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  Speaker 2: Like, kind of got the same build, the same the
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  Speaker 2: same facial hair and everything. You kind of look like
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  Speaker 2: Dustin right now too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like the fiver Dustin kin Zaro.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you're just like slightly more attractive, you know,
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  Speaker 4: So it works out in your favor.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate that. I'll take I'll take one small
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  Speaker 3: victory that has nothing to do with music.
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  Speaker 2: Other than just being more attractive than your hero.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, that's that's always a good thing. Though.
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  Speaker 3: If I ever meet him, I'll tell them that there's
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  Speaker 3: a few people that that this is how they feel.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can tell him it was Mason.
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  Speaker 2: You could definitely tell tell Dustin, say specifically, Mason Menega
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  Speaker 2: thinks you're less attractive than me. Just say that straight
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  Speaker 2: up and Dustin will be like, oh, it's hard to believe.
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  Speaker 2: Seventeen years now, Yeah, you guys have been together like it.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of I mean, I don't know, like, have
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  Speaker 2: you thought about the fact that if wol Wolves at
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  Speaker 2: the Gate was like a human being, it would be
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  Speaker 2: able to drive right now?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is I've never thought about it, you know,
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  Speaker 3: in those terms, but that is really funny to think about.
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  Speaker 3: Hopefully the band is at least as mature as a
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  Speaker 3: seventeen year old at this point, that would be awesome.
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  Speaker 4: You know, according to the federal government and Citizens United.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you could technically vote too pretty soon.
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  Speaker 3: I think our band would abstain from voting exercise are right, Well.
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  Speaker 4: That's good. You're not one of them Christian bands then,
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  Speaker 4: are you just joking?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're we're the most we're the most least political.
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  Speaker 2: If you're like, you're like amish metal core, No.
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  Speaker 3: Definitely not amish. No, Unfortunately.
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  Speaker 4: That's true except for this last election. I voted that.
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  Speaker 2: You're right, You're absolutely right on that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, that's where we're different is I would say
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  Speaker 3: I might not have said that in years past, but
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  Speaker 3: presently that's that's probably where our band would have would
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  Speaker 3: have landed. But I would be fine if Yeah, we
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  Speaker 3: weren't really ever associated with politics. It's one of those
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  Speaker 3: things where it's like I have strong opinions about politics,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't ever want to be remembered or identified
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  Speaker 3: as like a loud voice speaking in that world, you know,
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  Speaker 3: just because as a Christian, it's like that's it's not
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  Speaker 3: even really the kingdom that I want to see advance.
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  Speaker 3: It's part of being a part of the kingdom, but
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  Speaker 3: it's definitely just it's not who I am. And so
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  Speaker 3: I didn't mean to.
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  Speaker 4: Do No, no, no, that makes total sense. Also, No,
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  Speaker 4: you're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 3: Also, that was a stream of consciousness talking forgetting that
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  Speaker 3: I was actually out of pot.
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  Speaker 4: No, that was good. That's good. I think it makes
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  Speaker 4: a lot of sense because never in the history of
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  Speaker 4: politics as politics ever actually lined up with with religion
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  Speaker 4: or Christianity or spirituality in general.
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  Speaker 2: Well certainly not like one particular party exactly.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I mean, Like you can't fit that into
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  Speaker 4: a box.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, one party is going to fully capture the gospel.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's I think. What is you know, upsetting
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  Speaker 3: for me is when people think it is or it
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  Speaker 3: does to me. I see it as like worth these
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  Speaker 3: are apples and oranges, Like why are we trying to
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  Speaker 3: make them the same thing they're not. You know, be
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  Speaker 3: invested in politics, care about your community, your society, try
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  Speaker 3: to be a good citizen. But don't tie everything in
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  Speaker 3: the stream of politics to your faith, because they just
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  Speaker 3: don't line up. You know, they don't have the same categories,
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  Speaker 3: They aren't the same goals. There aren't the same tools,
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  Speaker 3: the same means.
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  Speaker 4: You know, So unless your name is Komani Iranian Iranian Revolution.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was, yeah, I was just reading
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  Speaker 3: about that earlier before we got out of the pub.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, well, let's talk about the new album. It's called Wasteland.
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  Speaker 2: It comes out. In fact, Spotify now has this whole
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  Speaker 2: thing where it's like it's got a countdown. I just
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  Speaker 2: found this out recently, very ominous. You know, there's an
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  Speaker 2: album coming out. It's got a whole countdown now, waste
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  Speaker 2: So it's thirty days exactly, thirty days and Wasteland's coming out. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: let's let's talk about the new album. What uh, you know, what,
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  Speaker 2: what has this whole process been like for you with
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  Speaker 2: this new album in terms of maybe like how it
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  Speaker 2: compares to previous albums. Does it feel like it's you
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  Speaker 2: guys are trying to do something maybe a little different.
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  Speaker 2: Does it feel pretty much the same as any other album? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just kind of curious just what the general vibe
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  Speaker 2: of this album is like in comparison to other albums.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, hopefully it's it's uh well for us, we were
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  Speaker 3: trying to do a lot of things differently. About probably
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  Speaker 3: about seventy five percent of how we approach albums we
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  Speaker 3: tried to do differently, you know, because normally in the past,
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  Speaker 3: we've you just you know, I'd write songs and then
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  Speaker 3: reflects back on sort of what the theme of what
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  Speaker 3: I was seeing, you know, through the writing. But this
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  Speaker 3: was kind of the first time that I kind of
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  Speaker 3: determined the theme and the vision not just lyrically and thematically,
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  Speaker 3: but also sonically as well. And that's kind of why
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  Speaker 3: it took us a little bit longer to get to
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  Speaker 3: where we're at, you know, with releasing the album. You said,
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  Speaker 3: it's been three years since Eulogies came out, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we did a cover album in between, and that was
• 11:08
  Speaker 3: kind of like when you need to like blow off
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  Speaker 3: little steam, and so we did that and that was
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  Speaker 3: a lot of fun, and it was a little bit
• 11:16
  Speaker 3: of like a bucket list thing, so we're like, now's
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  Speaker 3: the time, you know, But it did give us a
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  Speaker 3: little bit more time to really zero in and focus
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  Speaker 3: on creating this album and kind of looking at it
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  Speaker 3: from you know, a much further like vantage point, you know,
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  Speaker 3: of trying to think about from start to finish, thinking
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  Speaker 3: about that musically, thinking about it thematically, and that takes
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  Speaker 3: a lot of songs, and what we're trying to do
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  Speaker 3: as well with the idea is going to require a
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  Speaker 3: lot more songs and even what's in this album the Wasteland.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's been really challenging in a good way
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  Speaker 3: and refreshing, making me think differently, think outside the box.
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  Speaker 3: Hopefully it's delivering something different for the listener.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So would you say that it's more along the
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  Speaker 4: lines of like a concept album, then.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's a bit of a dirty word.
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  Speaker 4: I know, but I think it's I think it's the
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  Speaker 4: correct word in most cases when you're actually thematically overarching
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  Speaker 4: having a message there, right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the only reason why it like it
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  Speaker 3: gets that idea, you know, I said it's a dirty word,
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  Speaker 3: is just because people immediately will then compare it to
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  Speaker 3: just other examples and they'll either have a really strong opinion,
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  Speaker 3: you know, that they're excited or they're not interested. But
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  Speaker 3: our goal was to write good songs, not to you know,
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  Speaker 3: write a bunch of songs that feel like a concept album.
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  Speaker 3: But couldn't you couldn't just listen to one song on
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  Speaker 3: its own, right, And so that's what we're really trying
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  Speaker 3: to do, is to provide, yeah, the same sort of
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  Speaker 3: album experience, but to do it thematically and within the
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  Speaker 3: realm of a content and for their for the album
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  Speaker 3: to flow, you know better. So I mean, some of
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  Speaker 3: my favorite albums, like The Receiving an Assirens, between the
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  Speaker 3: Heart and the Synapse. I just love the way that
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  Speaker 3: album feels from start to finish, the way the songs
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  Speaker 3: flow together. But the songs are so distinct, you know,
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  Speaker 3: with the interludes or the way songs will end and begin.
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  Speaker 3: And we really were like, man, we've been a band
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  Speaker 3: for so long, We've never even tried to do this before.
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  Speaker 3: And I know why. It's because it's hard and so
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  Speaker 3: you know, and it takes thought and planning, and it
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  Speaker 3: always kind of intimidated me. And you know how it
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: is for bands, It's like by the time you finish
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  Speaker 3: an album and like catch your breath, like it's already
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  Speaker 3: time to start work on the next one. And if
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: you don't really give yourself some runway, you know, you're
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: not going to essentially land the plane. And that's what
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  Speaker 3: I would hate to do. So that's that's where we're at.
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  Speaker 4: So talk about that process a little more, because to me,
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  Speaker 4: that sounds like the most daunting task in the entire world.
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  Speaker 4: Trying I mean, writing once song itself is difficult. Finishing
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  Speaker 4: a song especially is difficult, right putting the finishing touches on,
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  Speaker 4: but doing it for a whole album just feels so
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  Speaker 4: much more difficult, maybe needlessly so, just because you know
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  Speaker 4: the world that we live in, the way streaming works
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  Speaker 4: and everything like that. I don't know how albums are
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  Speaker 4: are taken as much these days. I know Mason and
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  Speaker 4: I that's how we prefer to listen. We'd rather listen
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  Speaker 4: to a full album all the way through instead of
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  Speaker 4: one single song. But I can't imagine going through that
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  Speaker 4: entire process because it sounds too difficult for someone like me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean I think it's freeing in some senses. So, like,
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  Speaker 3: if you think about the idea of writing a song. Okay,
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: how broad of a concept is that what is a song?
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  Speaker 3: A song could be anything all the different genres we have, tempos, keys, style,
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  Speaker 3: feels like there's so many variables to think about. But
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: when you start putting like some constraints of like I
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: want this song to feel this way and to do this,
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  Speaker 3: there's the challenge of, you know, trying to deliver on that.
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  Speaker 3: But there's also you have like these kind of like
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  Speaker 3: guardrails and these boundaries that are sort of helpful because
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  Speaker 3: you're always then testing. You know, I like it, but
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  Speaker 3: is it serving the purpose it's supposed to serve, you know,
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  Speaker 3: knowing what this this song, this message is going to
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  Speaker 3: be about, does this really kind of helped convey that
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  Speaker 3: feeling or that thought or that emotion. And so in
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: that side of things, I felt that's why I was
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: saying it's challenging in a good way. It was like
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  Speaker 3: really freeing to kind of learn a different way to
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: write songs. And it's I've kind of done that in
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  Speaker 3: the past, but like a song or two on an
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: album maybe, but this this really like just pushed me
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  Speaker 3: in a different way. And so I found it to
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: be like somewhat liberating and challenging and in a good way,
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  Speaker 3: and it produced like results that I'm really happy with,
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  Speaker 3: and it made me do things that I know I
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  Speaker 3: would not have done had I had those sort of
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  Speaker 3: like boundaries, Sure did you?
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  Speaker 4: Did you like storyboard it?
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  Speaker 2: Then?
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  Speaker 4: Like I don't know if that's like the correct term,
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  Speaker 4: but basically like write out like hey, this is the
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  Speaker 4: this is the map or this is the game plan.
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  Speaker 4: We want to kind of traverse.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean so, like I have a whole story
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  Speaker 3: that I wrote basically, and I've been trying to I've
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: been working on finishing it like an actual narrative for
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  Speaker 3: like for people to read. Hopefully. I don't I've never
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  Speaker 3: written anything like that before, but I kind of I
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: just sat down and I just start off by writing
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  Speaker 3: like a seven to ten page narrative of the whole
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  Speaker 3: story and then started and then from there I sort
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: of like reverse engineered it and just thought, Okay, how
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  Speaker 3: can I get from point to point B? And how
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  Speaker 3: do songs serve that purpose? And also not trying to
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  Speaker 3: like answer all the questions and say everything needs to
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  Speaker 3: be said, because we know there's different ways we're going
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: to tell the story, not just in the music, you know,
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  Speaker 3: in the music videos and also in you know, maybe
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  Speaker 3: there's going to be a narrative for people to access
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: and to just read Crazy Thing twenty twenty five there
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  Speaker 3: and go, you know, so that'll be for the people
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  Speaker 3: that are interested in that. But I think in this
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  Speaker 3: day and age, like you guys said, like, I'm just
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: like you. I consume albums. I love albums. But if
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: you think about some of the biggest bands in like
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: even just heavy music, like sleep Token and spirit Box,
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: those are bands that are mad, they're making albums, and
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: their fans want to listen to albums, and I think
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: that that listener is there. You know, you could really
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: try to fight for the low hanging fruit and just
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: kind of get lost in the sea of whatever other
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: like heavier band is doing, you know. But if I
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: think if you just kind of live in your own
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: world and don't watch what everyone's doing and try and
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: really do your own thing, I think that that works
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: better for you. You know. And even like bands I know
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: you guys are fans of and friends of the Silent Planet,
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: you know, that's always just kind of been who they are.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: And I think the bands that last and you know,
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: success is relative, but that have success, you know, have
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: like a true fan base. It happens through that medium
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: almost always.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: So yeah, every now and then we'll talk to maybe
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: like a Eavy band that is kind of doing the
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: thing where they just keep releasing singles and whatnot. And
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: and obviously like I'm not here to tell any band
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: what they should or should not do, but it is interesting.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: It does seem to me like, Okay, maybe the releasing
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: singles one at a time maybe works for a certain
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: kind of genre of music, especially maybe even a certain
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: kind of artist that's trying to emerge within a genre.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Even you know, big pop stars are still continuing release albums, right,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Like Taylor Swift still putting out albums, right, So she's
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: not releasing one song at a time. So it does
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: seem to be maybe a feasible way to get your
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: start if you're a brand new artist that's just trying
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: to make it. But as like a band, especially a
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: more established band, and especially bands that are in like
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: the heavy music industry, it's just not from my owner,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: from my experience, it's just not what the audience wants.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: An audience doesn't want just a series of singles that
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: might get released once a month, Like they really just
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: want an album that feels cohesive, that they can listen
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: to all together. And it makes sense that why these
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: selects twelve songs or whatever it is make they make
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: sense together as a group, and that seems to be
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: something that's still appreciated in heavy music. It might not
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: be appreciated in other music genres, but it certainly seems
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: to be appreciated in this scene.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I mean even I think even like you
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: referenced Taylor Swift, I mean, it doesn't get anymore like
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: mainstream than that, but you can see that sort of
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: like fandom. It's really the same type of person. They
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: just have different musical tastes, right, They found an artist
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: that they click with and connect with and kind of
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: speaks to them, whether it's musically, lyrically and or both.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: And so they're like, I'd rather have more, you know,
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: they don't kind of just want the ear candy. And
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: and so I think, yeah, it's we're just we're I mean,
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: we're making music for ourselves at the end of the day.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: We're making the music that we want to hear, and
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: you know that's why we're making albums. We want to
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: hear albums. That's pretty simple.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Sure, speaking of albums too, this is your sixth album
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: off of Solid State, and I'm trying to think through
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: right now of you know, Tooth and Nail, solid State,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: you know, all those types of bands. I'm trying to
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: think through who might have more albums on a Tooth
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: and Nail label than you guys. I think normal gene,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I think is there, right, they've got.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: But they also had they also had a few that
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: were on Razor and Tie.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: It's true, but I'm yeah, still is total. There's more
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: than six they've still got. They've got to be right around.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: Like six Starflyers.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: But maybe like yes, I was about to say Starflyer
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: for sure has got to be. I mean, they've got
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: like twenty albums probably on Tooth and Nail. But I
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: can't I can't really think of too many other bands
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: that might have six or more albums. Now, maybe Silent Planet,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: a Silent Plane doesn't have six. Yeah, but like, yeah,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I'm trying. Maybe this is something that you've thought about.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure you grew up listening to some Solid
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: State bands, but that like at this point, like you
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: guys are historic in terms of output as a Solid
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: State band like that, that's got to be something that's
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: pretty unique. And yeah, again, like I don't know, especially
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: with this new release, like if that's something that you've
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: thought about as being a like, oh wow, like we're
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: this this is our sixth album on Solid State and
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: like there's not too many other Solid State bands that
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: can say that.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really those last few words of that sentence
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: that I've definitely thought, like, Wow, this is our sixth album.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: This is so cool that we were here, you know,
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: one album was the goal. But then you're right, you know,
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: on solid State, and I I never think about I
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: think because like the bands that like got me into
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Solid State, none of them are here except for Norma Geen.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: So like I kind of lose sight of like I
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: don't feel like we so badly wanted to be on
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: Solid State and we saw those bands to be a
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: part of what they were doing, but we like got
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: there and they were all gone, and so like even
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Norma Geen, and so we're kind of like we're like
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: we kind of felt like we're here, like oh wait,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: nobody's here, Like what happened? Like where's everybody? You guys?
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: Kind of came in and during the dog days there
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: for a little while.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, a little yeah, a little bit. Yeah. But
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: you know, so I don't ever think about it in
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: that in that point of reference, but that it is
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: really it is really cool, and I really hope that
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: you know, we're we are able to add a small
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: part of what the feelings that I got for Tooth
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: and Nail and Solid State bands, you know, part of
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: just that, Yeah, legacy of bands that have been a
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: part of that. That would be cool if we were
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: able to to give that to some music listeners as well.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: I can't well, I've got a question about the musical stylings.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: You wouldn't happen to be a Blade Runner fan, would you?
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: I am?
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: I was. The very first time I heard these new songs,
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: I was like, man, I feel like I'm in Blade
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Runner right now, like I am, I am Harrison Ford man.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: So I mean, if you really wanted to compliment me,
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: I know you guys were saying I was better looking
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: than Dustin, which is not true. But that right there,
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: that's some some high praise. Definitely a major inspiration. And
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: that was another new thing for me, was trying to
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: take inspiration from places outside of music that aren't music,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: like visually and really trying to think about that. And
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: so honestly, what I did is I just pulled a
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: bunch of stills from movies that I loved that I
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: felt communicated the feeling and the environment of sort of
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: the world I was imagining in my head. And Blade
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Runner was one of those Mad Max book of Eli
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: good movie a Matrix. Yeah, so like kind of a
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: conglomeration of all those things, you know, And honestly, you know,
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: if if The Lord of the Rings was like set
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: in the future somehow, you know, trying to imagine even
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: some of that sort of world and vibe not so
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: much the storyline, but sort of the feeling of that
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: world is very interesting. If you ever think about and
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: just how Tolkien, you know, understands the way he portrays
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: good and evil. It's actually so different than so many
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: modern depictions of what that looks like.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: Sure, the technocrat of the microchips instead of orderings, Yeah,
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: I like that. No, that's a really insightful kind of
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: image to put in people's minds as they as they
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: go through listening to these things, I think, or these
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: new tunes, I think it's It's definitely gonna help color
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: and influence their mental image as they're listening, especially if
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: they're active listening, because I mean that's what I was
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: doing and that was exactly where I went. So you
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: hit the nail on the head pretty well there.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: I'd say, well, that's cool. Yeah, I appreciate that. Thanks.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just trying to imagine like the Eagles and
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: a futuristic Tolkien universe just like a bunch of.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: It's just it's just a rocket.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Well, it would be like a friendly drone, so it
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: would be more like, you know, some sort of like
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: BB eight, you know, R two D two flying. You know,
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: it's like kind of cute, but like Majestic, you know,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know what that was.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: It is just gonna come rip shreds.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious for you guys with this new album.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Like you know, obviously it sounds like, you know, kind
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: of from like a concept album perspective like that, that
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: is a new thing that you you all are exploring
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: with this new album in comparison to other albums just
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: from like a music standpoint, just from the instruments, Like,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: is there anything that you're kind of doing that you're like, oh,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: that's like, that's definitely kind of a new thing. But
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: maybe it's just like a new guitar tone that you
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: guys are playing around with, or maybe it's a new
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: drum tone that you're playing around with. But I'm just
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: kind of curious, like, were there new sort of sounds
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: that you're you guys were trying to do, or maybe
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: just you're you're maybe trying to write like in a
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: different way, maybe you're trying to put a breakdown in
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: a different spot than you normally would. I'm just curious,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: like from a kind of music and instrumentation kind of standpoint,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: is there anything that you guys are doing a little
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: differently on this album than previous albums.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean we ended up seeing, you know, after
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: we were done, the difference, but one thing that like
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: I decidedly wanted to do differently, you know, again like
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: with the sixth album. It's really cool, but you also
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: are fighting against a lot of your natural instincts that
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: could end up being repetitive. There's natural instincts that are good,
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: but there's some that you fall back on that are repetitive.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: And you know, I don't I don't want I don't
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: want like vocal melodies to sound similar to the last
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: album in the sense that it's like, oh, it sounds
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: like that kind of what you did last album. You know,
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: you can only escape that so much. But even just
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: song creation, And so one of the things I decided
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: to differently was, you know, a lot of time I
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: would start songs like on the acoustic and just trying
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: to like work out melodies and lyrics, or I just
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: start writing riffs. And what I tried to do differently
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: was I'd been watching a ton of videos of these
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: like producers that just do like electronic music, and how
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: they'll take samples, like they'll they'll record like a door
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: closing and slamming and make a beat out of it,
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: and then have a chance they challenge each other to
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: like make like this, you can only use this one
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: audio file and start making beats and stretching it and
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: tuning it and making a melodic taking like the squeaky
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: door and making that melodic element, you know, making the
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: door closing that thud that's the kick and when you
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: hear the lock latch, that's the snare, and how they
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: treat that, And I was just like floored by their
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: their creativity. And so you know, probably four three or
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: four years ago, I just started fiddling with that. And
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: so one of the ways I tried to challenge myself
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: is like, how would you start a song if these
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: were the only tools you had. And that's why you
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: could probably hear a lot of those, you know, more
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: electronic you know, I guess blade Runner esque or an
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: industrial sounding sorts of vibes with the songs, because I
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: was just trying to find different ways to like spark creativity.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: And what's exciting for me was just to see like
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: the different type of guitar playing that I would try
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: and figure out to match what I had already began
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: with that. There's a song on the album called Smoke,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: and Joey the other the guitar player, he actually just
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: sent me he bought like a synth plug in and
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: made like that first sound at the very beginning of
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: that song. And as soon as I heard that, like
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: I started just envisioning the whole song. It's nothing I
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: would have ever written had I probably sat down just
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: play guitar. And so that was a different approach and
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: we got different results, and that's what it was really
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: exciting for me was to like feel like guitar playing
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: was fresh and new again, and I was actually playing
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: guitar a lot more like like re for your stuff
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: and kind of going back to that, you know, my
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: earlier days of playing probably faster than I can or
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: should in certain parts.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: And well, yes, there are moments like one of the
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: things I love about this new album, or at least
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: from what I've heard so far, is you kind of
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: get this sort of cinematic ethereal feel that's going on.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Obviously you're talking about some of the sense and kind
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: of experimentation that you do with that, but there are
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: moments in this album that feel almost like the heaviest
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: you guys have ever been. Yeah, And that dynamic is
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, Colin always talks about how much he loves dynamics.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: That is a dynamic that is something that we absolutely love.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think part of it too is the
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: older I get that the less that I care about,
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: if that makes any sense, the less that I care
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: about what other people think. And and I'm also just
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to just savor every moment we have to
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: make albums, and there's lots of music that I like
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: and in the past I'd put sort of limits on
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: like what the band should or shouldn't do, or could
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: or couldn't do, and I've just been throwing them out
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: year after year. You know what those things are, because
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: if it's something I like and it's something I want
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: to do and everybody like is into it, like what's
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: stopping us? You know? And it's kind of fun like
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: when you you know, write something and I send it
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: to the guys and and it makes them like laugh
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: out of like like oh my goodness, like this is
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: like this sounds belligerent, or this is like that's so
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: low or that's so slow, or you have timed it
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: there with all those sorts of things that like, I
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: don't know, it makes music fun for us and just
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: don't want to have any rules. And we also just
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: wondered what is really like what is a heavy, heavy
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Wolves of the Gate song, always trying to maybe push
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: what that feels like and what could that be and
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: still feel like us. And so that was fun for
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: me to explore because like a song like Law of
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: the Wasteland, I knew what the song was supposed to
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: be about, and you know, I shouldn't really show up
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: too much on a song you know, that's about an
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. You know,
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: there's not's not too much room for some clean singing there.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: So that's that's what happened.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: That makes sense, makes sense. So thematically, obviously there's there's
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: some there's it feels like there's a lot of pessimism here,
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: which I'm I'm all for. Obviously, you have like a
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: little bit like a dystopian kind of set up. You know,
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: we got the song titles that will tell you a
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: lot I think alone, and then you take it a
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: step further and you hear a lot of these a
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: lot heavier songs than I think you guys have done
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: in the past, and and things of that sort as well.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: Would you mind just maybe giving us little taste as
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: to your concept of what the major themes are.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, the wasteland is it's built in
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: a metaphor as a world, but it's really a mentality.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: And it's when I say mentality, what I mean is
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: I the thing that what I tried to do is
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: basically this, like I feel like when we all look
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: out into the world, we have sort of a sanitized
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: like you know, some people are very pessimistic, but I
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: think we all have a very sanitized like idea of
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: what the world is like and what humanity's like, and
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: we hide selfishness so well, you know, so much of
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: what we do is entrenched in selfishness. I mean, we're
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: talking about politics before, you talk about a bunch of
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: people saying that they're caring about the masses and their
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: job is to serve. But there they're leeches, you know.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: But all they are is expression, you know, of what
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: a lot of us would probably do given that same
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: sort of power. And so what we're trying to do
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: with the Wasteland is maybe sort of peel back some
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: of the niceties of the things that we maybe mask in,
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: like well, I'm just like taking care of myself or
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: you know, I got to look out for myself. It's
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: like all of this is really just entrenched in a
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: selfishness and a self centeredness. And that's what a lot
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: of the album sort of focuses on, is what does
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: it look like to live lawlessly? And what is the
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: result of living lawlessly sort of creating living for yourself
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: really and living based on your own rules, your own morality,
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: your own agenda. Your own purpose, and with that, everyone
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: becomes an enemy. When you're trying to live for yourself only,
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: everybody is an obstacle to your joy, to your peace,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: to your comfort, and you know, you'll try to do
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: whatever you can to survive, like you're not going to
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: be a maniac. But the ways that we try to
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: quote unquote survive can still be pretty inhumane and brutal.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: And really, I'm just with these songs, I'm trying to
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: paint a picture of maybe what goes on in sort
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: of the unseen world of our minds. When I say
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: we like, I'm the greatest test subject I have. I
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: can't get inside anybody else's mind, and so I'm not
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: sitting here like judging the world, going look how selfish
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: everybody is except for me. It's like, where do you
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: think I'm getting these ideas? I see my own selfishness
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: come out, and you know, I'm married, I have kids,
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: and remember when I first got married. You know, it's
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: kind of like somebody turned the light on in the
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: dark part of a room that I didn't know existed,
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: and I'm just kind of like, wow, Okay, that's ugly.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: Why am I responding this way? This is the person
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: that I love more than anybody else in the world,
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: and I've hurt her more than any bai ELTs has
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: ever hurt her. And the same thing with my kids.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: I love my children to death, but I see at
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: times like I just like don't want to give to
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: them the things that I should give to them, like
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: when I say of myself, and so I see, I
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: see all these things in myself, And really the Wasteland
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: is sort of a picture of a world that I
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: don't want to live in, and I find myself sort
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: of going back to it time and time again. And
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: this album hopefully serves as a reminder to me and
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: maybe a bunch of a lot of other people, this
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: is the end of living that way, and it will
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: rob you of all joy, peace and comfort.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: You know. I'm reminded of of a song by the
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: Who called Won't Get Fooled Again, and the beginning goes
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: meet the new Boss same as the old Boss, has
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: a lot of the same kind of thematic elements that
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: you're discussing, and then in the end it says, I'm
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: just gonna get down on my knees and pray, m hmm,
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: we won't get fooled again, and by we like, are
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: we going to continue to fool ourselves in this case?
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: Are we gonna like just keep putting those scales over
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: our eyes and and saying no, the uh, it's not
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: as bad as everyone wants to make it out to
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: be like this, you know, this selfishness or the maybe
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: the rot individuality that comes from living in the culture
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: that we do and the world that we do and
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: the technologically connected world that we do. So I think
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: it is a timeless message that needs to needs to
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: keep being portrayed.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I like the way that you worded that because
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: you know, I referenced this song just before Smoke, you
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: know that song where it's at in the album is
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: at this point the character should be recognized, Like the
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: character should be reconizing all of these things that are
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: exposed in him, and he's just trying to hide it,
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: you know. And that's you know, the phrase blowing smoke.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: But in the course, you know, he's blaming it on
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: false devils, you know, you know the old phrase got
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: the angel on one shoulder and the devil on the other.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: The devil made me do it. It's like, no, like you're
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: responsible for your own, like, no one makes you do
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: anything you know that you don't want to do. I
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: guess in regards to your character and how you act.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: And you know, the thing that I've realized about myself is,
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: you know, when I think about the Gospel and who
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Jesus is and what he came to do, you know,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: the people that he's coming to and are receiving his
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: care and his love and his mercy are the people
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: that recognize how desperately they need it. And we just
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: so badly don't want to be seen for what we are,
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: you know. But like the lepers know their lepers, and
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: he's their only hope. And that's why when they come
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: to him and they say, if you're willing, you can
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: make me clean, and he says, I am willing, but
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: you have to see that you're a leper first. And
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: that's so much of what this first album is about
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: is hopefully just a mirror for us to look in.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: And it's not fun. It's not fun for me for
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: a whole album to really be working to that end.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: But you know, we just realized in the past, you know,
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: we would try to accomplish a lot in one song.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: It's like, why don't we play the long game and
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: see what we can accomplish in an album and start
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: working towards you know, yeah, a deeper, a deeper dive
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: into maybe thinking about these things. Because to me, you know,
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: the more the more that I guess deeply dive into
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: understanding my weakness and my need for Christ, when I
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: see who He is and what he provides, it's that
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: much more beautiful when I'm able to receive it, you know.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: And so that's kind of what we're hoping to do
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: with this album and hopefully more to come.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: A thought that is kind of coming to my mind
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: right now is you know, as you're kind of maybe
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: talking about your interpretation of the narrative and themes that
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: you talk about in this album, you know, obviously, being
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: the author of that narrative and those themes, you would
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: imagine like, Okay, you probably have the correct interpretation of it.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: But I'm curious, like when, ah, when you think of
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: maybe you know, in thirty days now, fans are going
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: to start listening to this album and they might have
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: their own interpretations on what maybe some of the lyrics
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: mean to them. And I'm just curious for you knowing
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: that it does seem, especially like a sort of concept album,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: there is like a sort of narrative that you're trying
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: to get across or a theme that you're trying to
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: get across, And I'm just curious, like, what do you
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: do when like maybe a fan might have like a
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: maybe a somewhat different, like different interpretation of a narrative
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: than you know, you, as the author of that narrative
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: would have. I'm just kind of curious if that does happen,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: which you know it very well, oh yeah, especially if
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: maybe it just feels a little different now since this
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: is a concept album versus like you know, some of
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: your previous albums anyway, curious about.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: That, Yeah, no, I mean it's happened with songs. It's
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: happened with us with songs of ours before, and to me, like,
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: I don't really It's one thing if somebody asks me outright,
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: what is this? What it's? Is this what you wrote
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: it about? You know, then I'll feel compelled to just say, like, well,
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: you know, and I'll try and find a way to
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: maybe thread in what they're saying, as long as it's
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: like not like crazy and outlandish, you know, But for me,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: I as long as I don't think whatever they're believing
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: would be destructive to them. I try to leave room
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: for them to take the good thing that they're getting.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Why would I Why would I ruin that? If it's
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: a good thing, I don't want to take that from them,
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: And so for me, it would just be, yeah, a
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: question of if I think that it might be like
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: harmful for them to to be taking maybe something that
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: if it's if it's a message, that wouldn't be good
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: for their soul. Basically that's what would concern me. And Yeah,
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: I have never really run into a situation like that before,
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: and I've definitely heard tons of different perspectives where people
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: take a line and they take it to mean something else.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: I know what I meant by that line, and it's
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: not like it doesn't hurt my feelings, but it does
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: make me think, like, that's cool that you were able
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: to pull that from this. That's definitely not what I meant.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: But you know, I see, I see that it's benefiting you,
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: and I'm grateful for that because it just shows that
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: I was I'm I wasn't nearly smart enough to think
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: of that, Like it was just I just wrote it,
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: and it got used for something good despite me, if
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: that makes sense.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's better than the opposite, where you get like
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: a helter skelter the Beatles and occult out of it,
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well it reminds me of like, you know,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: if we were to look at like the Bible, like
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: you might read a verse and interpret it in some way,
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: shape or form because of like your own experiences, and
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: I might have maybe a slightly different way of interpreting
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: it because I have a different, you know, different experience
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: in life. But you know, nonetheless, like the fact that
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: like a single verse or multiple verses in the Bible
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: can like inspire us in that way to be better humans,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: to follow Jesus in a better way, or whatever it
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: might mean for each and every person. Like I think
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: that's like that's one of the beautiful things about like
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: the Bible, or really not just the Bible, but like
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: really any scripture or even just even lyrics or poetry
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: or whatever. It might be. Like, it's really cool how
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: because each each and every human has their own experiences,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: They're probably gonna interpret this a little differently, but nonetheless
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: it could inspire them to a better person or inspire
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: them in their life in a different way than even
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: maybe what the author was intending.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean when things are truthfully true, there is
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: depth and layers to what that may be. If that
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: makes any sense.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Well, I think what you're saying is like, like something
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: that's true is going to be universal to each and
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: every human you know, how they might interpret that truth
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: might be a little differently from each and every person,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: but it's going to be true nonetheless.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because the truth is powerful, and so the way
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: that it I picture it as kind of like like
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: the truth is like a woven tapestry. Tapestry and has
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: all these threads. You may be tugging at one part
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: of it, and it's it's a good part because it's
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: part of the truth. It may not be exactly what
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: I was trying to communicate, but to me, at the
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: end of the day, it's, you know, there's part of
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: a whole, it's part of it's part of a whole,
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: you know, And to me it's like if somebody's just
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: getting even that at its base level, I am. I'm
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: grateful for that, and I think that's a way that
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: you know, it's it's it's really hard to think about
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: music it's also really easy to make it bigger than
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: what it is too and for me to understand that
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: like music is powerful. Don't get me wrong, music is
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: an incredibly like powerful tool and vehicle. But to also
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: not put so much like pressure on myself to like do,
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: to think that I'm gonna do or be or accomplish
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: something any anytime I've tried to do that, you know
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: it's gonna fall flat in its face. And it's kind
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: of like you just create it. And for me, I
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: just trust that God's going to use it and in
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: the way that he sees fit. Because it's not up
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: to me anyway. I can't make you interpret anything, you know,
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: by even if I had the most compelling like argument
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: in in the lyrics, you know, I can't compel you
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: through my song. You know, it's a good point.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: It's a good point. Are we feeling good, maze or
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: do you want to do? Are you ready for guilty pledgures?
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: If you're ready, I'm ready, Steve, You're ready for guilty plagures.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: The pleasures that are guilty?
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: All right, Well you can go on whatever or do
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: you like guilty pleasures or Steve?
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So, when thinking about this, it was helpful that
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: you said, what are things that you'll listen to that like?
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Especially the guys, the other guys in the band would
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: be like I don't.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Like this, or like why, or they would make fun
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: of you for.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: Why would you like? How do you enjoy this? One
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: of the first ones that came up was it's they're
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: like a funk soul band called Jamericua.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: Oh I love yeah, good call though.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Such a good band to me.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: It's just like like it just it's just feel good
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: music when you hear it, like how do you get upset?
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: And he's just he's just a happy dude. I don't
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: know why he's wearing an Indian headdress but doing that
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: with his shirt off, and he's dancing and singing. His
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: band by the way, his he always has the like
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: most phenomenal musicians. I could just watch them play, especially
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: their drummers. Drummers are unreal.
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: So you're gonna have to get what's what's the gosh,
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: what's the big song name? It's blank and right now
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: where he's in like the room, and he's got like a.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: That's and it's like.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: That sounds like a lot of sun. It's the big
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: one so canned heat, love philosophy, gosh, the.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: Hat, the big like bucket hat that's like velvety, and
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: he's got like a oh.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know any of the music Virtual.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: And Saturday that's it. Yeah, you got to watch that
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: music video and you got to get hat.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: I've never seen any of the music videos. I only
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: watched their live videos because they're great lives.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Virtual Insanity was like one of the coolest music videos
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: of the.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like one of those like rotating room things,
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: That's all right, it's cool, all right, I know what's
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: going in the YouTube algorithm.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good pick. By the way, well, I'm
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: just glad. You guys know who who do we say?
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: He?
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: They? What I mean?
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: Enigma?
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: He It is kind of like it is like kind
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: of his solo Pride project.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Let's go with yeah. So yeah, Jameric way.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: I think they have a song in Napoleon Dynamite too,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: don't they.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: That's amazing.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure there's a Napoleon Dynamite.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: Like.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: I think one of the songs that he like dances
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: to in his room is a I do remember, Yeah,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: it's Can't Heat, Can't he yeh can't can't heats in Napoleon.
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: I do remember when he was with Dillinger, somebody had
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: asked him, hey, who's your favorite who's your musical icon
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: that like for your life for like singing, and he said,
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: and everyone is expecting, like, you know, a Slayer or
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: something like that, and he's like.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: Jamericay, no, he is. He's very he is very inspiring
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: if you yeah, so yeah, I know people are gonna
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: look this up and be like, what if you don't
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: get it, just deal with it and just recognize that
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: you don't know how to have fun. Yeah, all right,
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: so next one, olymp biscuit.
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: Really yeah, yes.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: See, now you've nailed guilty pleasures and figured it out this.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I grew up. I grew up in
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: the era where they like, you know, where they rule
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: the world. But I mean Wes Boorland is just a
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: riff monster. Anybody who plays guitar and like can't see
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: past like maybe the elements they don't like and you
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: can't just listen to the riffs like I'm sorry, but
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: he was doing stuff in the early two thousands that
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: bands today are trying to replicate and failing miserably. He's
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: just still the king.
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: He is the saving grace of that band. But man,
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: you have an album called what is it hot Dog,
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: Water in the Chocolate Starfish or whatever. I just yeah,
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: I just can't. I can't do it.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: I mean to be like, yeah, I listened for the riffs,
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: I stayed for the rifts. That was That was it.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: I genuinely don't understand how Wes and Fred get along
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: at all, because like Wes seems like this really artsy,
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: super artsy, like eccentric guy, right, and then Fred is
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: just like this.
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: Weirdo white monster drinking.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Like I mean totally like trailer park dude that just
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: like doesn't seem super artistic at all, Like like he's
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: just there. Yeah, he happens to be very talented as
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: a vocalist, but he's not like this like this super
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: deep interesting guy, Whereas Wes seems like I don't know
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: if you've ever seen interviews with West, but he's like
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: really interesting, really deep. Totally, they just seem like they
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: they seem like such op and yet together they just
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: make incredible, like catchy songs.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: I mean I think I think they just I think
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: they give each other enough room to be who they are.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: There's no clash really because like because you said like
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: they're just two completely different types of like like personalities
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: that as they express themselves. And I think they both
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: were just kind of like you do you and I'll
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: do me, and it just worked.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're I it is a bit of an anomaly,
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: but yeah.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: They're really getting like kind of a second.
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: It's huge high school and I would say one of
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: the most popular bands, at least amongst the boys, is
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: Limp Biscuit, and I don't understand it. I mean, I
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: get it, but I also I'm just like really of
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: all the bands because like I'll play them like corn
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: and they're like this stuff sucks, and I'm like, yeah,
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: I'm like all right, it's the same thing in a
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: lot of ways. But all right, yeah, okay, just a
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: little more serious.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: I guess well, we did you America. I we did
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: Limp Biscuit. I'm gonna just I'm gonna keep We're gonna
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: hit just a totally different genre. Now do a.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, I feel you there. Okay, she's kind of
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: before you go into why you're why you're interested in
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: her music, I will say there are very few like
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: celebrity women that I would say like, oh my god,
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: like I have a total crush on her, or like
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: I just she is one of them, though, I find
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: so attractive.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: And and that's not like like I'm trying to like
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Aubrey Plaza or however you sing your last name. But
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: she's from Parks, Yeah, Parks and Raca. I find her
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: very attractive. But yeah, I don't know if I like,
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: if you play a song for her from her that's
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: like her most popular song, maybe I've heard it, but
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: I couldn't, Like, I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: you one of her songs right now. I just know
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: what she looks like, and I'm like, she's just very attractive.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: What's crazy, Mason, is how much you love Jamericuai And
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: she's like heavily influenced by Jamericuai. And if you hear her, yeah,
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: I think you're gonna end up having like a crazy
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: infatuation with her after you listen to her music and
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: see how Jamerquai influenced it. She's inspired by like disco,
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: yeah and funk and soul.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: Is she from Britain as well? Because Jamerica is from Britain.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah she I think she is British, but I don't
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: believe she is ethnically British. I think to her, I
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: forget where her family's from, but Albanian, yeah Albinia, yeah
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: there you go, yeah because uh yeah, but she she
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: kind of just brought back that that vibe and I
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: had no idea who she was. I wasn't sure if
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: Dulipa was a guy or a girl for like what
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: the name was. I just remember hearing the music and
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: I was like, wow, this reminds me so much of Jamiroquai,
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: but like with like even poppier, like catchier vocal.
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: Here's here's what I really appreciate about Dualipa is she
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: has brought melody back into the mainstream. Like we have
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: not had melody about half a decade, and now all
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: of a sudden, she pops on the scene and now
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: everyone's moving back to melodic lines. I feel like we've
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: just been a melodic for a long time.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: I feel like for a long time, people are like
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: more than four notes. In this economy, you can't do that,
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: you know. It's like I was like, come on, we
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: gotta we gotta get some like melody, but you're right melody,
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: I mean yeah, yeah, so yeah, she's definitely. She's definitely
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: one of the the artists that I never thought I
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: would like. And I heard a song and I was like,
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: because there's like cool band elements as well, which doesn't
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: get its you know, recognition in modern pop music. So yeah,
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: the next, the next, guilty Pleasure. I'm gonna name a band,
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: but I'm also just gonna name a whole genre as well,
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: because the guys in my band, mostly mostly Ben, just
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: can't stand it. But there's a band called Bad City
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: and Bad City basically they tried to revive classic rock
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: hair metal vibe like kiss.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: And are they like, what's that like led Zeppelin? No,
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: not like that, not like they're not like that?
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: Then no, But they only made one album. It is
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: like probably some of the best like production I've ever heard.
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: Like the band as like a rock band. It sounds
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: so good, the songs are so good, all the musicians
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: are so good. But if you don't like classic rock,
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: it's not for you. And I used to play all
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: the time on tour and Ben wud be like, not
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: this record again, and he was just like it's so annoying.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: I'm like, why is it annoying? I was like, this
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: is like classic rock, like in this modern day and
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: age for everybody. Yeah, the band's called Bad City, But
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: like most any classic rock that I would put on,
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: the guys in the band would just they would just
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: punish me for like liking led Zeppelin, And I'm like,
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: this feels.
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: Wrong, Like can you be in a band that plays
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: guitars and drums and sings and all that stuff and
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: not like led Zeppelin.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: Yes, there's there's a lot of them out there, and
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: I've been fine. I've found them all along our touring experiences.
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: So wow, I am quickly losing respect for so many people.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: I feel like you need to name names. Yeah, throw
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: people under the bus.
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: Who's the biggest hater in the band, let's say that.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: Well, I know Ben's the biggest hater. But yeah, I'm
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: trying to think about bands we toured with more. So
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: it is just shock and awe that they don't even
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: they couldn't name they don't know any led Zeppelin, or
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: they don't know like even like not knowing Nirvana.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Are you touring with sixteen year olds or what.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: I'm telling that's what I'm telling you. Yeah, it should be.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: But it's kind of like if all so like when
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: we when we started touring, we were around so many
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: bands that like they're there, the bands they knew, like
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: started with Ask Alexandria like that sort of you know,
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: which is weird for us because like it it's at
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: that point nothing was really underground at that point, like
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: bands were bands in that scene were already in like
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: a main had like more of a mainstream vibe. You know,
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: they never saw the rise of like you know, the
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: Taking Back Sundays who like you can't believe they played Kimmel,
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: you know, like the from being a you know, an
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: emo band out of one an island, like having national recognition.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: So yeah, but uh, I digress, No.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: I I get you. That is that is that is
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: just very strange to me. You know, it's a it
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: feels it feels anti anti Uh I don't know, how
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: do you say it? Not scene trying to think of
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: the right word to put in.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: There, but it's not alternative.
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah really yeah, it's the wrong alternative for sure.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But in the last the last band that I
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: could think of that here's the thing. They were a guilty.
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: People considered them a guilty pleasure for a long time,
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: and and then they became cool to people in the scene.
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: But Paramore so like I was.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: Thinking about that too interesting. Yeah, I think you're absolutely.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: Right, because like Paramour for the longest time, like you
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: couldn't you couldn't say you like them back when they
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: were like a war tour band because they weren't heavy
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: and they had a girl singer. And I'm just like,
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: I don't care. This is awesome, Like I just am like,
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: this is there. You could see how much they were
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: inspired by Jimmy World, and you would never say that
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: about Jimmy World, you know. But I think it was
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: just all the cards that were stacked against them in
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: that era. But I thought, I thought it was awesome,
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: And so I took a lot of heat for being
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: an open fan of Paramour and being in a heavy band.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: So I think I get I think you're absolutely yeah.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: I absolutely agree in the fact that, like, yeah, I
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: think there was a certain time where people in our
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: scene for sure would have seen them as a guilty pleasure.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: And I think people now kind of turn around and realize,
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: oh wait.
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: Like think about how much they've done for this.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: We should appreciate them for who they are because they
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: they are actually are super legit clearly have influenced an
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: entire I mean now you're starting to see pop artists like,
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: you know, even who is it, Like Olivia Royrigo basically
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: got sued by or like or there was a lawsuit
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: about like how similar she sounded.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: She had to give them, so she gave them writing credit. Yeah,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: she gave them writing credit proactively. Yeah, because she because
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: they realized how much it sounded, like I think I.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: Heard too that, like it was just the it was
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: just the record labels that were that were putting on
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: because Haley. Haley was like, no, it's fine.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah don't I can see the band totally being chill
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: But even like the new Chapel Roone, that Chapelarone album
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: album that came out last year, Like, they're not every
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: songs like this, but there are some songs that do
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: kind of have a little bit of that punk memo
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: vibe of guitar work that totally is totally it has
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: to be an homage to to.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they're they're a genre, you know, but back
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: in like they really are. But back in the day,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: you know, they they were it, and it was almost like, yeah,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: it's too poppy. It was bubblegum music. It wasn't seen music.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: But I was like, who cares? It is good. It's good,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: like you know, And then nobody said that about Jimmy World,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: you know who kind of they came through, and they
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: obviously had some big hits that came through, but nobody
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: ever says they were sellouts or anything. So I always
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: felt like they got a bad rap in the beginning
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: and then everyone's like, oh, I love Paramour and I'm like,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: where were you? Yeah.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: I do think a lot of it is like people
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: from the scene just like have this sort of like
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: there if there's a woman that's fronting the band, that's
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: like automatically dislike credited or whatever. And hopefully people have
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: now realized, like Haley is truly one of the most
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: talented vocalists that we've ever seen, and we need to
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: appreciate her for who she is, because I mean, it's
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: just it's truly unlikely that we'll ever have like a
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: woman that can sing or really truly not just a woman,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: but like anyone be able to sing like that that
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: has like kind of more like emo vibe.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and also to have to just do things on
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: their own terms on a huge stage. Yeah, you know
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: that's tough, you know. Yeah, And it's tough to sort
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: of have the belief in what, well even not even belief,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: just the resolve to just do what you want to do,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: you know, because like their most recent album, you know
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: a lot of people will go like, oh, that's not
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: that's not what I wanted it to be. And it's like, well,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: it's what they wanted it to be, so you kind
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: of deal with it.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: They're they're one of those bands that has has been
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: able to have like top singles over the course of
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: an entire decade or in even more. I mean, they
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: just they they've they've figured out kind of a good
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: formula of mixing what is truly Paramore sowne with like
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: whatever might be just a good you know, top six
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: of good pop stuff. They've always figured that out. Also,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: this Haley is one of these like white whales that
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: I have. I'm like, I'm not that I'm certainly not
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: a huge Paramore fan. I like their stuff, but not
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: a huge Paramore fan. But what I'm always fascinated by
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: is the fact that she's like a huge Chariot fan,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: She's a huge Withouture fan, like all these bands that
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: we all love, She's a huge fan of all those bands,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: and no body ever interviews her about that, And so
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: I would love to interview her sometime to just I'm
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: sure she could nerd out about the Chariot or met
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: with you or all these bands, and nobody ever asked
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: those I asked her those kind of questions, So I
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: feel like maybe we have a shot at interviewing or sometimes.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just they got too big, and the people
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: that interview her, like the Paramore is about as edgy
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: as they get, you know, so right, I'm sure they
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: have no clue about you know, the crust punky you know,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: floor show world that she came came from, you know.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: For sure, I will I will blame Lows for my
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: disdain for for Paramore, though I am kind of a
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: hater still because Low's used to I used to work
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: at Low's in college.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: Oh, Loads, Lows, you were talking about the band Low Loads.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: Sorry, Lows as in the hardware store. I worked there
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: in college and they played Still into You literally every
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: twenty five minutes.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I could. I could see it.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: Just round my nerves to a to a pulp. So yeah,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: it is what it is.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: So that's a great list though, That is a very good, fantastic,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: fantastic guilty Pleasures list.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate that that was I did. I'm surprised
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: I did that so quickly. Yeah, but when as soon
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: as Colin you said what you said, I just I
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: had like these memories of people trying to shame me
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: for for the music I listened to.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: You get it, you get it? Yeah, that's great, wonderful. Uh, Steve,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: what do you want to plug? Obviously new album comes
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: out in like thirty days basically, yeah, yeah, what do
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: you want to plug? Around the album? I'm sure there'
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: should be shows at some point. Yeah, what do you
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: want to plug?
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: I want everyone to listen to it on the internet
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: and the streaming services that you use. Watch the videos
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: that we put out, because it's not just us jumping
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: around a room. We're trying to tell you a story.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: The music video we put out for Parasite is actually
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: much more a short film than it is a music video.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: It's actually probably two thirds have film and one third
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: music video, and so we're trying our best to give
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: you guys more. We don't get more money for doing that.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: For the video to be longer, we lose more money
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: doing that, and so we're doing that for you guys.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: So watch it, immerse yourself in the story and hopefully'll
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: join us for the ride. But apart from that, you know,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: it's ironic that we're talking about the biscuit. But I'm
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: pretty sure I want to start my own like rap
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: rock band.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: And really, do you have a.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: Name already that I can't share yet for legal or what? No?
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: I just I don't. I don't want to say it
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: and then somebody takes it.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: That's a good You could trademarket now, I mean if
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: it's if it's on the Internet, it's trademark.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: So I don't know if it works that. I don't
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: think it works.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: I mean we can put it up on Wikipedia and
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: make sure that it is.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: Do you okay? So you don't have a name picked out?
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: Do you at least have a Michael Jackson song that
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: you would like to cover?
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: Pick up? No, I have a Who song that I
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: want to cover?
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: Nice? What's Who?
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: I want to I want to cover Limp Biscuit covering
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: the hood.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: L I m B. I remember the first time hearing
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: that because I was a WHO fan before a Limp
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: Biscuit fan. But I heard the weird electronic voice come
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: on with that, and I was like, what is this?
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: This is an abomination?
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know what, maybe this project will just
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: turn into what bands can I cover their covers of
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: a cover that's such a geed? Actually, see if we
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: can how deep we can go into it?
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: Covers that's super?
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: Why are we Why are we literally thinking the same
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: thing exactly? So maybe that's what the rap rock band
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: will morph into.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: You.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: What's what's another what's another big cover from a rap
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: rock group.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: Alien Criminal?
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's gotta be There's gotta be another really big one.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: I'm sure.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of Lincoln Park. Ever, did any
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: covers well sort of, Well, if you want to, like
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: consider the like jay Z song.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: Like reanimation, I wonder who, I wonder who I could
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: get to reanimate with me? That's that's a real question.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: Well, you know what I think you have to do
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: is I think you have to go back to the
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: original rap rock cover song, which is run DMC and
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: Aerosmith this way.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I should I should begin by covering that.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you should chronologically?
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, or you know, I mean, I'm sure there's some
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: I'm sure there's some some C C M. You know,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: old school nuts that would want to hear just that
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: revisited Jesus Freak by DC to.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: I want to hear rock Fist as well.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: Do you do you remember did you guys ever hear
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: Chasing Victories cover of Jesus.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: Free Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we have totally we've talked,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: We've heard it, and we've definitely talked with.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: Him about it.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: You talked with him about listened to it with him?
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: Oh, get out of here? Did he have did he
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: have fun memories of doing that?
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: Or or it was more of like the label kind
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: of was like, hey could you do this thing?
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: It was definitely more of like a contract obligation type
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: of deal than like, oh, wow, we really love this band.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: But I don't think I don't think they really had
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: a like, oh we really hate doing this kind of
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: like I didn't get I think it's kind but it
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: was something where it was a little bit more I
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: felt like it.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: Was a little tongue in cheek just just from what
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: I was gathering body language wise, Yeah.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: For them, it is a little hilarious to cover a
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: DC talk.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah it's hilarious.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah Yeah, Chasing Victory Man, what just Gone too soon?
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: Rest and Piece Wow. Well, we're excited for not only
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: the new music that's gonna be coming out with Wolves
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: at the Gate, but at some point, clearly this rock
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: the rap rock group.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: You got something rock rap rap rock, We're gonna do
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: it all.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: I think Coloring cut out. But Steve, thanks so much
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: for chatty Moore about Yeah, the new album. We're just
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: really really stoked. It's gonna be one of the top
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: albums I'm sure for for at least Colin and I
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: so super stoked about it. Hopefully we get to see
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: you on the road at some point.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah for real, man, Thanks, I appreciate it, and it
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: was always fun conversation. And thanks for unearthing my guilty pleasures.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: I appreciate that.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: Wi A
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: The hi st