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The Bolt Report | 11 February · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: Pass the reform.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight, Australian of the Year Grace Taine doubles down on
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  Speaker 2: calling for into FARDA in Australia. But why it's this
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  Speaker 2: moment in Monday's protests that's actually more dangerous. Plus a
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  Speaker 2: labor governed accused of letting criminals steal fifteen billion dollars.
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  Speaker 3: But first, this is wild.
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  Speaker 2: So we started this month right with three people wanted
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  Speaker 2: to be the Liberal leader. Susan Lee, who is the
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  Speaker 2: leader already, a former soldier, Andrew Hasty who's on the
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  Speaker 2: back bench a shadow defense minister, or Dangus Taylor. Now,
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  Speaker 2: how is it that of those three, the Liberals look
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  Speaker 2: like ending up.
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  Speaker 3: With the least popular of them all, doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: Let's say you think about the Liberals today, Angus Taylor
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  Speaker 2: is preparing to announce that he'll challenge Lee for the leadership.
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  Speaker 2: It could happen during this very show, keep you on
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  Speaker 2: the g of seats, even though today's going News Resolve
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  Speaker 2: and You Go poll shows that, however unpopular Lee is,
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  Speaker 2: and she is, I mean, she's just got ten percent
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  Speaker 2: of people polled preferring her as a Liberal leader. Taylor
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  Speaker 2: is even less popular on just Eate and Andrew Hasty,
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  Speaker 2: who bowed out after being told the Liberal MPs didn't
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  Speaker 2: want him, is the.
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  Speaker 3: Most popular of the all, preferred by nearly.
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  Speaker 2: Twice as many people as Angus Taylor. And that's with
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  Speaker 2: sixty percent of people actually so bored with a lot
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  Speaker 2: of them that they preferred no one at all. There,
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  Speaker 2: it is Angus Taylor odds on to replaces and Lee.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to ask why, Now here's another thing, why
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  Speaker 2: has Taylor did it so long? I mean just told
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  Speaker 2: just after question time today he was going to announce
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  Speaker 2: it it maybe tonight, could be tomorrow, could it be.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. Why has he did that so long.
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  Speaker 2: About trying to take over as a leader When this
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  Speaker 2: poll today confirms all the others we've been telling you
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  Speaker 2: about that the Liberals are smashed, broken, impotent now with
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  Speaker 2: just nineteen percent support, and Paul enhances My nation streets
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  Speaker 2: ahead on twenty eight percent. Although I've got to say,
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  Speaker 2: here's actually the big news from this poll. One nation
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  Speaker 2: is now just two points behind Labor. We let that
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  Speaker 2: sink in. One nation, despised by much of the media,
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  Speaker 2: led by a woman they mocked for decades, is now
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  Speaker 2: almost as popular in the polls as the giant Labor
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  Speaker 2: Party of Anthony al but easy with this big Union support.
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  Speaker 2: It's some massive numbers in Parliament, it's multimillions in Doo nations,
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  Speaker 2: there's decades of experience. How rotten does this government seem
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  Speaker 2: to most voters?
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  Speaker 3: Off?
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  Speaker 2: So many voters must be with it that Labour support
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  Speaker 2: in this poll is barely ahead of one Nations. Yet
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  Speaker 2: Labor on these numbers would still have another smashing election
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  Speaker 2: win thanks to the preference of the Greens and even
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  Speaker 2: a fair few One Nation and Liberal supporters. And that's
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  Speaker 2: because however bad this government is, the Liberals are even worse,
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  Speaker 2: so it can't get anywhere, and so many parties.
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  Speaker 3: That want to preference one Nation.
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  Speaker 2: So with the Liberals so hopeless, why isn't Angus Taylor
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  Speaker 2: leader already? Why was any leader last month or last year? Well,
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  Speaker 2: one reason is that too many Liberals don't think it's
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  Speaker 2: that good. Lax come through, nice bloke, smart Rhodes scholar
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  Speaker 2: like I said, but you know, it doesn't seem to
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  Speaker 2: have much confidence themselves, which is weird and seems invisible
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  Speaker 2: to most voters.
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  Speaker 3: What difference would he actually offer? You?
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  Speaker 2: Remember, Angus Taylor went to the last election as the
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  Speaker 2: Liberal's shadow treasurer, offering higher taxes and deficits than even Labor.
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  Speaker 2: What about that brand damage? And as emissions reduction Minister
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  Speaker 2: in the Morrison government, he promoted the net zero target
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  Speaker 2: that Susan Lee at least as now rejected.
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  Speaker 3: But there is another.
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  Speaker 2: Reason that Liberals are nerves about him, and that's because
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  Speaker 2: some of Lee's supporters are doing what Labor does, playing
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  Speaker 2: the gender card. They claim with Susan Lee is a
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  Speaker 2: victim of misogynistic men. So read this in the papers,
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  Speaker 2: for instance, how a senior Liberal figure reckonsly was undermined
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  Speaker 2: as leader from the start with women believing the boys
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  Speaker 2: were out together. He and this liberal wanting to name
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  Speaker 2: these misogynists, complaining that those who want to support the
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  Speaker 2: greatest act of misogyny in recent times cannot be allowed
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  Speaker 2: to hide in the shadows of the party room. And
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  Speaker 2: this demands by Lee supporters that these misogynists name themselves
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  Speaker 2: in a petition. Sign least half the fifth the one
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  Speaker 2: Liberal MPs before there is a leadership ballot goes on
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  Speaker 2: leading moderates. Moderates left wingers are endorsing the need for
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  Speaker 2: a petition to be signed, so there is a transparency
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  Speaker 2: around who wants to remove the Liberal Party's first female leader. Now,
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  Speaker 2: this playing of the gender card is suicidal. It's going
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  Speaker 2: to guarantee that even if Taylor does replace Lee, the
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  Speaker 2: Liberals would immediately be monstered by the usual suspects claiming
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  Speaker 2: the Liberals have a women problem outen does the Labour
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  Speaker 2: say that.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, Labors say that right now.
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  Speaker 2: It started today with exactly that attack, with Minister Katherine
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  Speaker 2: King boasting about.
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  Speaker 3: Some labor triumph. With this gratuitous whack of the Liberals.
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  Speaker 4: It's what happens when you support women, and you support
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  Speaker 4: women to be in the room making decisions in a
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  Speaker 4: majority female government with a majority female cabinet, instead of
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  Speaker 4: undercutting women who are brave enough to put their hands
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  Speaker 4: up to lead. While we wait for the men in
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  Speaker 4: the Liberal Party to draw straws on who their next
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  Speaker 4: leader will be, we know exactly what their next leader
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  Speaker 4: and the one after that will do to.
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  Speaker 2: Medicare a reality check because this is nonsense. First, is
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  Speaker 2: ly in trouble because of bad blokes or bad women,
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  Speaker 2: Because after all, the loudest Liberal critics of Lee in
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  Speaker 2: these daring days are women, Jane Hume and Sarah hand Enderson.
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  Speaker 2: Of course Lee NonStop griefs is she dumped both of
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  Speaker 2: them from a ministry last year.
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  Speaker 3: And how about Hume Spray just this week.
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  Speaker 1: Unless something changes, we will be wiped out.
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  Speaker 5: It has to come back to the leadership that we
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  Speaker 5: are facing today.
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  Speaker 2: Add a third female critic of Lead just sent an
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  Speaker 2: empership of Price, a darling of the liberal branch, is so,
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  Speaker 2: you know, quite influential. She also dropped. She was also
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  Speaker 2: dropped by Lee for offending Indian voters.
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  Speaker 6: Obviously. You know last September Susan Lay lost confidence in me,
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  Speaker 6: which was very unfortunate. And I had the unfortunate experience
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  Speaker 6: of being thrown under the bus by a lot of
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  Speaker 6: my colleagues as well. And you know, things haven't really
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  Speaker 6: improved from that situation.
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  Speaker 2: But this real women problem of the Liberals, it actually
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  Speaker 2: goes deeper. I mean, this broken party has never actually
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  Speaker 2: been so women led.
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  Speaker 3: It is history.
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  Speaker 2: Three of the opposition's top four leaders now the leader herself,
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  Speaker 2: the Senate leader, the deputy Senate leader. They're women, and
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  Speaker 2: really as the party actually seemed, dare I say this
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  Speaker 2: so seemingly feminized in its leadership style. It's not that aggressive.
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  Speaker 2: It's got lots of process and lots of listening an
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  Speaker 2: odea of course, never has it also seemed so bereft
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  Speaker 2: of leadership. Is that the liberals real women problem?
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  Speaker 3: Now?
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  Speaker 2: It is true, as I've often said, Susan Lee has
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  Speaker 2: been unlucky and she's been undermined. She's also a prisoner
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  Speaker 2: of a party hopelessly split between those who think it
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  Speaker 2: must become more, even more progressive, and those who think
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  Speaker 2: it must fight on the issues that one nation is
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  Speaker 2: exploiting with massive success a mass immigration, climate extremism, multiculturalism,
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  Speaker 2: and of course our frightening lack of national unity. But
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  Speaker 2: it's Angus Taylor the man to fix all that. And
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  Speaker 2: that's even at the Liberal's darkest point. It is history
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  Speaker 2: Taylor still struggles to get most Liberals to back him.
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  Speaker 2: And it's why even now Susan Lee may yet survive
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  Speaker 2: to fight another day. Joined me from Canberra, who has
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  Speaker 2: been reporting all day these developments or at the moment
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  Speaker 2: lack of developments in the liberals bizarre leadership.
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  Speaker 3: This political letter.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Clanel Andrews watching like watching a glacier milt. What's
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  Speaker 2: the latest.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, my first cross was eight forty five and nothing's
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  Speaker 7: happened since. Really, But look, no, look, Angus, Taylor's going
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  Speaker 7: to resign tonight. But you know I checked before and
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  Speaker 7: I was told he wouldn't resign in time for your
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  Speaker 7: cross to head. So sorry to bring you that news. Look,
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  Speaker 7: I think it's quite clear what's happening here in terms
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  Speaker 7: of it's a dispute between the Taylor and Lee camps.
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  Speaker 7: Taylor wants the ballot on Friday. If he had resigned
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  Speaker 7: straight after question time, Lee would have insisted. Lee would
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  Speaker 7: have said, well, I'm not going with your timing, so
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  Speaker 7: she would have got the whip to card on tomorrow.
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  Speaker 7: So Taylor and delaying the resignation means it's impossible to
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  Speaker 7: have a ballot Thursday morning. And if this seems like petty,
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  Speaker 7: small time stuff, I'm afraid to say it is.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds like the stand up between Lee and David
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  Speaker 2: Little Proud, the Nationals leader, over you know, whether they'd
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  Speaker 2: come back and at what terms. Oh my god, it's
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  Speaker 2: groundhole day, mate. But these absolutely shocking poll numbers for
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  Speaker 2: the Liberals under Susan Lee our scow News poll just today,
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  Speaker 2: for instance, Angus Taylor is still hesitated in challenging her.
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  Speaker 3: Now. Isn't just about the timing and all that kind
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  Speaker 3: of thing, or.
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  Speaker 2: Is it too scared that too many liberals think that well,
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  Speaker 2: Lee's delivered a disaster, Taylor might be no better.
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  Speaker 1: Nah, I think he's going for it. I think it's timing.
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  Speaker 7: But I think he would have gone even later in
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  Speaker 7: the year if it wasn't for Andrew Hasty.
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  Speaker 1: Andrew Hasty was when he had.
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  Speaker 7: That infamous meeting now with James Pattison and Angus Taylor
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  Speaker 7: in Melbourne. He was and I'm just checking this just
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  Speaker 7: to make sure that there aren't developments. By the way,
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  Speaker 7: I think he's going now. I think I've been told
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  Speaker 7: Angus Taylor is going now to see Susan Lee to
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  Speaker 7: resign from the front bench.
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  Speaker 1: So there's some breaking news for you. Andrew Bolt.
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  Speaker 3: He did.
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  Speaker 1: He was finally going.
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  Speaker 3: He finally listened.
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  Speaker 2: To my editorial saying elect decision and he thought better
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  Speaker 2: get up off from a chair.
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  Speaker 3: He was watching.
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  Speaker 2: He was watching watching Yeah, look, yeah, yeah, yeah, but
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  Speaker 2: that is only that. Yeah, then so he'll resign, which
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  Speaker 2: frees him up to challenge. But we haven't got to
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  Speaker 2: the next point. Would he win.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I believe he will, and by much. I think
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  Speaker 7: the spill mation will be tight. No spill mation will
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  Speaker 7: be tight, but once so there's a spill mation to
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  Speaker 7: bring on the spill. There are some people who have
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  Speaker 7: told him I won't vote for a spill because I
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  Speaker 7: don't want to destabilize current later, but if the spill
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  Speaker 7: gets up, I'll vote for you, which was really weird,
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  Speaker 7: but that's the way it is. So he'll win by
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  Speaker 7: you know, spill mation, one or two votes, four or
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  Speaker 7: five votes in the party room, I think against Susan
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  Speaker 7: Lee generally, that's my expectation. I could be wrong. I
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  Speaker 7: don't know who knows. The first casualty of was the
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  Speaker 7: truth and all that, But yeah, it's finally happening. Gosh,
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  Speaker 7: we've been waiting all and I do believe it is
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  Speaker 7: about the timing, and I do believe he's been focused
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  Speaker 7: on that and he has only moved because I was
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  Speaker 7: talking before about the Andrew Hasty Patterson Taylor meeting where
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  Speaker 7: Hasty was told, look, here are all these people. They're not
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  Speaker 7: going to vote for you, but they would vote for Angus.
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  Speaker 7: And Hasty went into that meeting saying I'm going to
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  Speaker 7: move on Monday for a party room Tuesday, and that
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  Speaker 7: has forced Angus Taylor's hand because he's realized that there's
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  Speaker 7: someone else who wants this job. So if I want it,
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  Speaker 7: I can't wait around for months. I'll just check my message.
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  Speaker 7: Sorry about that, but I'm just seeing if there's anything else.
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  Speaker 7: There may be a presser later. So you were saying
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  Speaker 7: that that may be a caring cam Reddon's telling me
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  Speaker 7: he is out there. Yeah, So what I'll do is
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  Speaker 7: essentially that is essentially what's happened.
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  Speaker 2: You'll be wanting to go out there in a hurry.
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  Speaker 2: So I'll ask you one last question and that you
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  Speaker 2: go and get the news. You mentioned Andrew Hasty here,
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  Speaker 2: we've got a poll which says he's twice more popular
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  Speaker 2: than Angus Taylor and pulled out of the race because
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  Speaker 2: people said Liberal said, oh, you're too young, you're too green,
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  Speaker 2: maybe too extreme. He must be thinking, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 2: how does that work when I'm probably the Liberal Party's
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  Speaker 2: best chance.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm sure he is. In fact, I know he is.
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  Speaker 7: But he is a young man, so he's got time.
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  Speaker 7: So now it's down to Angus. Can he unite the party.
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  Speaker 7: Can he improve the poll numbers most importantly, and you
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  Speaker 7: know one sort of leads to the other. Can he
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  Speaker 7: provide appropriate policy? Can he show that he's better than
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  Speaker 7: he was as shadow treasurer. I don't envy him, and
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  Speaker 7: if he doesn't by the end of the year, I
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  Speaker 7: dare say we'll be looking at Andrew Hasty perhaps challenging. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: scenario we're in right now. It's all it's all yeah,
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  Speaker 7: but yeah, but it's happened before. Okay, So we had Latham, Beasley, Rut,
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  Speaker 7: then rub one, we had Nelson, Turnbull, Abbot, then Abbot
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  Speaker 7: came close in between three and ninety six, Andrew, we
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  Speaker 7: had Custon Downer Howard, and Howard won. So sometimes that
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  Speaker 7: third later in a term can have a bit of luck.
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  Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: That's a very good point, great history. Lesson. Look, Andrew Clanel.
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  Speaker 2: I'll let you get there and gather the news and
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  Speaker 2: if you come, if you find a big scoop or
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  Speaker 2: if indeed anger status starts talking, let's get all over it.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, indeed for staying back so late
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  Speaker 2: in the day to cover it.
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  Speaker 3: It's really appreciated. Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we will have more as the news breaks. Of
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  Speaker 2: course you always have to stick to Sky News to
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  Speaker 2: get the latest.
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  Speaker 3: Here's your spot. We'll be here with.
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  Speaker 2: That, but after the break we'll maybe talk about more
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  Speaker 2: about that. But we'll also talk about labor accused of
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  Speaker 2: letting Australias most lawless unions still fifteen billion dollars. But
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  Speaker 2: why was this news suppressed? Not us, says the Albanezer government.
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  Speaker 2: You decide well for the latest. It's all happening in Canberra.
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  Speaker 2: Angus Taylor's gone to say to Susan lee is On,
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  Speaker 2: I want your job, carry Redden.
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  Speaker 3: What have you got?
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  Speaker 8: But we can't mean with words.
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  Speaker 9: The Liberal Party is at the worst position it has
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  Speaker 9: been since nineteen forty four when the party was formed.
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  Speaker 9: That is a confronting reality and we cannot ignore it.
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  Speaker 8: We have failed to hold a bad labor.
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  Speaker 9: Government to account. We've seen a collapse in Australian's standard
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  Speaker 9: of living. We've seen a failure to protect Australian's.
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  Speaker 8: Way of life.
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  Speaker 9: Australians want better from the Liberal Party. Our supporters, those
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  Speaker 9: that have voted for us and those who might have
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  Speaker 9: voted for us at the last election, as well as
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  Speaker 9: Australians more generally. I think Australians generally understand that a
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  Speaker 9: strong Australia means.
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  Speaker 8: A strong Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 9: We must have a strong Liberal Party if we're going
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  Speaker 9: to have a strong democracy in this country and we're going.
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  Speaker 8: To hold this bad Labor government to account.
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  Speaker 9: The situation right now is devastating for Australians and for
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  Speaker 9: that reason, we need to urgently restore confidence.
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  Speaker 8: In the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 9: That means we need strong leadership, clear direction, and a
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  Speaker 9: relentless and courageous focus on our values as a first priority.
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  Speaker 9: We need to protect Australian's way of life. We need
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  Speaker 9: to focus on restoring their standard of living. I don't
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  Speaker 9: believe Susan Lee is in a position to be able
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  Speaker 9: to lead the party as it needs to be led
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  Speaker 9: from him just a few moments ago attended my resignation.
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  Speaker 9: I will continue to serve the Liberal Party and to
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  Speaker 9: work towards getting it to where it needs to be,
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  Speaker 9: if it is to have the strength to make a
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  Speaker 9: contribution of this great nation, that kind of contribution that
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  Speaker 9: he has conventional traditionally made happy to take U.
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  Speaker 8: This is the biggest gamble career.
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  Speaker 9: Well, as I said, what we need right now is
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  Speaker 9: strong leadership, clear direction and a courageous focus on our
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  Speaker 9: values and the first two priorities probes should be protecting
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  Speaker 9: our way of life and restoring our standard of living.
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  Speaker 9: I think Australians have seen failures on that under this
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  Speaker 9: labor government. They clearly have and they want better and
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  Speaker 9: we see that in our communities. We see that wherever
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  Speaker 9: we go that will be the focus.
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  Speaker 3: What in say in terms of timing that just in
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  Speaker 3: terms of timing, is there a voat tomorrow? Is there
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  Speaker 3: a vout Friday? Did you say I'm.
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  Speaker 8: Not giving not having a spell like this is? This
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  Speaker 8: is about? This is about my resignation. That's what I important.
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  Speaker 8: You know, it's almost seven thirty now about here for
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  Speaker 8: a while.
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  Speaker 6: Why has it taken a few hours quite a few
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  Speaker 6: hours since the Hurtzog meeting.
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  Speaker 3: And so on?
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  Speaker 9: What's been happening over the last three Well, it was
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  Speaker 9: it was important that the Herzog meeting happened without interruption,
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  Speaker 9: I think out of respect to that very important meeting
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  Speaker 9: and that very important visit, I think that that has
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  Speaker 9: that has been important. But look, the process here more
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  Speaker 9: generally for all of us, has been to talk about
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  Speaker 9: the future of our party. As Liberals, we want to
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  Speaker 9: see a strong Liberal Party and we know that means
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  Speaker 9: we need strong leadership, We need clear direction and we
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  Speaker 9: need to focus relentlessly on our values and that that
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  Speaker 9: has been the focus of discussions I've been having in
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  Speaker 9: recent times.
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  Speaker 8: With my credit.
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  Speaker 10: Exactly will you do differently shrom season leaders.
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  Speaker 9: I think I've already outlined much of that. So the
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  Speaker 9: focus will be on restoring our standard of living and
• 18:58
  Speaker 9: protecting our way of life. That's what Australians want to see,
• 19:02
  Speaker 9: and you'll hear, you'll hear. You'll hear more from me
• 19:05
  Speaker 9: and others, I'm sure in the coming days about that.
• 19:08
  Speaker 8: Cam. If just take, we'll take. We'll take one more
• 19:11
  Speaker 8: question from.
• 19:12
  Speaker 11: Cat and the ability of the Weed. What responsibility to
• 19:17
  Speaker 11: you for the decision the Liberal Party is in.
• 19:20
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think we've all got to do better. The
• 19:22
  Speaker 9: party has to do better. We have led Australians down.
• 19:25
  Speaker 9: Whenever we're out in the community. This is all my colleagues.
• 19:29
  Speaker 9: I hear the same thing when we're out in the
• 19:30
  Speaker 9: community talking to whether it's our branch members, our supporters,
• 19:35
  Speaker 9: were just Australians getting on with their lives. We hear
• 19:38
  Speaker 9: time and time again that the Liberal Party needs to
• 19:41
  Speaker 9: do better. I fully understand that, and that is why
• 19:44
  Speaker 9: I think the current situation is unsustainable, and it's why
• 19:48
  Speaker 9: I've made the very difficult to just hear me out.
• 19:51
  Speaker 9: That's why I've made the very difficult decision that I
• 19:54
  Speaker 9: have tonight. But I tell you what, I am absolutely
• 19:59
  Speaker 9: committed to restoring confidence in the Liberal Party, to ensure
• 20:03
  Speaker 9: that Australians regained confidence in the Liberal Party and steering
• 20:07
  Speaker 9: the Liberal Party back to where it needs to be
• 20:10
  Speaker 9: if we had to have the strong Australia that I
• 20:12
  Speaker 9: so much believe it, so, thank you very much a.
• 20:16
  Speaker 12: Guy.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, so we're going to get as a promise for
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: strong leadership, clear direction, focus.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: On our values. What are those values? I don't know.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Didn't say restoring our standard of living, protecting our way
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: of life. Label would say the same, wouldn't it. Who
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: wouldn't do that? And we got to do better? How
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: didn't say magical? Mystery to it? We shall see. I
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: mean this is what I said. What does he stand for?
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, this was the perfect opportunity.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: I don't get it.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Joining me as the political panel camera Milner form chiere
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: for staff to Labor leader Bill Shorten and now director
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: of g Exos Strategies and Michael cost the former New
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: South Wales Labor Treasurer Cameron. If you had sent out
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: a leader to announce or a potential leader to announce
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: it I want to take over the party, would you've
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: told him to just stick to this message, strong leadership,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: clear direction, focus on our values and not define what
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: the direction was or the values were.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Well, certainly not, Andrew.
• 21:24
  Speaker 13: I mean the opportunity to actually have free air to
• 21:26
  Speaker 13: say what's wrong with the Liberal Party and where you
• 21:27
  Speaker 13: want to take it is surely what's going to bring
• 21:30
  Speaker 13: any sort of wavering votes across the line inside the
• 21:33
  Speaker 13: Liberal Party room. No, it was a vacuous statement, but
• 21:35
  Speaker 13: then Angus Taylor is all about being vacuous. I mean
• 21:37
  Speaker 13: he didn't have a tax plan, he didn't have a
• 21:39
  Speaker 13: teversit plan, he contributed to the ninety four seats of
• 21:42
  Speaker 13: the Albany he's got at the last election. I mean
• 21:44
  Speaker 13: this guy's culpable for giving up on cost of living
• 21:47
  Speaker 13: as the election issue for Peter Dutton. So no, I
• 21:49
  Speaker 13: mean this was just typical Angus, which is merely mouth words,
• 21:53
  Speaker 13: no content and that's the problem for the Liberal Party.
• 21:55
  Speaker 13: It's not about the personnel, it's about having a plan
• 21:58
  Speaker 13: and policy as well.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Andrew Michael Costa these ringing words, we've got to do better.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: How will you do better? Won't say that? Does that
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: enthus you?
• 22:09
  Speaker 11: No, it doesn't, Andrew, it was all waffle. Actually it
• 22:12
  Speaker 11: reminded me a bit of Malcolm Turnbull's challenge, you know,
• 22:15
  Speaker 11: where he just I'm the person that can make the difference.
• 22:19
  Speaker 11: Forget about the policies as just me. It's just sort
• 22:21
  Speaker 11: of born to rule mentality. I thought that was appalling.
• 22:24
  Speaker 11: I mean, he didn't even announce a leadership challenge from
• 22:27
  Speaker 11: what I can gather, unless there was a question that
• 22:29
  Speaker 11: I missed, He's just basically said he's resigned and you
• 22:33
  Speaker 11: know he is going to deliver strong leadership. I don't
• 22:37
  Speaker 11: know what policies are going to underpin the other claim
• 22:40
  Speaker 11: of lifting living standards, but he had that opportunity as
• 22:43
  Speaker 11: Shadow Treasurer and he failed. Look, I think I had
• 22:46
  Speaker 11: to replace Susan Leo if there is a challenge, but
• 22:50
  Speaker 11: I think this is a very short term leader. If
• 22:53
  Speaker 11: he ever makes.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: It, that's weird. You're quite right.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I mean Cameron he says is resigning, and he won't
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: even say if and when it's challenging. I mean, well,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I presume mischallenging because he said they need a new leader.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: But you know, when is he challenging? I didn't hear that.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Did I miss it? Maybe skip, I missed a couple
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: of words at the start, But really, well.
• 23:17
  Speaker 13: As a saying in politics, isn't it you know, real
• 23:19
  Speaker 13: power isn't given, it's taken. Andrew, You've got to take
• 23:22
  Speaker 13: with both hands. And this bloke came out as to
• 23:24
  Speaker 13: your point, Michael merely mouth did wishy washy few words
• 23:28
  Speaker 13: like that. I mean, goodness me, Albanie will be quaking
• 23:31
  Speaker 13: in his boots if this is a challenge from the
• 23:33
  Speaker 13: other side. I mean, look, I think the missed opportunity
• 23:35
  Speaker 13: here is they did a factional backroom deal to park
• 23:38
  Speaker 13: Andrew Hasty, who had been a devastatingly good opposition leader,
• 23:42
  Speaker 13: and plumb for Angus Taylor, who is a proven dud.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, here's the thing, Michael, I mean, you heard Cameron
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: say Andrew Hassey would be devastating opposition. I think he's
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: got the potential to be a devastating opposition leader. That's
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: just as strong as i'd put it. But he's never
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: under department. It hasn't got experience. He gets a little
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: cross under questioning. I don't think he's mounted any case
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: in particular where people say, yes, you are our man.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: And it always seems and I know this is unfair,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: but it seems like he's hearing the voice of God
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: rather than can we just all get together? And you know,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: I'm going to give you what you want, but I'm listening.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I'm malleable. I'm not sure he's that kind of easy
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: going guy. What do you make of Andrew?
• 24:22
  Speaker 11: Well, look, I think he's the only hope they've got.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Actually, I think that's right.
• 24:27
  Speaker 11: I think that the time will serve him well. He
• 24:30
  Speaker 11: can mature. As for running a department, you know, Bob
• 24:33
  Speaker 11: work went in an inn around department. He ran the ACTU,
• 24:35
  Speaker 11: but he never ran a government department. He made a
• 24:37
  Speaker 11: fantastic prime minister. So really it's about his maturity. I
• 24:41
  Speaker 11: think they've done him a favor by putting him on
• 24:44
  Speaker 11: the bench for a period of time. You know, I
• 24:47
  Speaker 11: think he will grow into the role. I think he
• 24:49
  Speaker 11: is the only one that I see that's got the
• 24:51
  Speaker 11: cut through in the charisma, because that's the other problem
• 24:54
  Speaker 11: with Taylor's charisma.
• 24:56
  Speaker 14: There.
• 24:56
  Speaker 11: He might be really smart, but you know, would you
• 24:58
  Speaker 11: like to spend evening having a meal with him, I'd
• 25:01
  Speaker 11: fall asleep. Look, the bottom line is that the only
• 25:05
  Speaker 11: person that really got is Hasty. But I think he
• 25:08
  Speaker 11: is too green at the moment. But you know that
• 25:10
  Speaker 11: could change it twelve months depending on the balls.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Well maybe that was James Patterson's theory about not tell
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: about telling his friend, look, I'm not going to back
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: you after all that. Maybe they're saving him for a
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: little bit of seasoning.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: I mentioned the polls. I find it amazing.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Here's the Liberals almost stampeded into voting for Angus Taylor,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: who's got half the support of Andrew Hasty in the
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: poll today. But that same pole, Cameron, this is fascinating.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Sky News had the Labor vote down to just thirty percent.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: That's more than two percent less than the lowest vote.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: They've ever recorded in any election.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: We know the Liberals are a shambles, so you'd think,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: you know, whay is Labour's vote high because they've got
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: no competition?
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: But what does that pole tell us about the Albanizi government?
• 26:03
  Speaker 13: Well, it tells us it's a target rich environment for
• 26:05
  Speaker 13: anyone who can stop up as an opposition. I mean,
• 26:07
  Speaker 13: this is not a loved government. It's a prime minister
• 26:10
  Speaker 13: with terrible ratings. I mean, no one actually wants in
• 26:12
  Speaker 13: there in the wider electric Andrew. But at the moment,
• 26:15
  Speaker 13: what's also telling us, I think too, is that one
• 26:17
  Speaker 13: nation isn't just taking from the Liberals. Everyone has this
• 26:19
  Speaker 13: narrative which says, oh, it's the collapse of the Liberals
• 26:21
  Speaker 13: and Nationals all going to know there's actually labor voter
• 26:24
  Speaker 13: shifting to one nation as well.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: There's a churn going on here, Andrew.
• 26:27
  Speaker 13: And it's what happened in the UK when reform came
• 26:29
  Speaker 13: through the middle, and it's exactly what I think is
• 26:31
  Speaker 13: happening with one nation here as well. But no, I
• 26:33
  Speaker 13: mean Alberti's is a target rich environment and the opposition
• 26:37
  Speaker 13: should be just doing so much better against what is
• 26:39
  Speaker 13: a pretty average government.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: I would have thought so too, Michael Costa, What do
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: you make of the thirty percent supporting this letters poll
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: for labor? I must say that other polls have it
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: going up to thirty three percent, which is hardly better.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: But what do you make of that?
• 26:53
  Speaker 11: Well, look, I agree that labor is not popular, but
• 26:55
  Speaker 11: the problem is that even if they're not popular in
• 26:58
  Speaker 11: a preferential system. You know, I can see the strategist
• 27:01
  Speaker 11: sitting there saying, look, we're home at the next election.
• 27:05
  Speaker 11: We need to get our preferences right and do the
• 27:07
  Speaker 11: deals that we need to do. They're not under pressure, Andrew,
• 27:10
  Speaker 11: that's the bottom line. And they won't be under pressure
• 27:12
  Speaker 11: until you have somebody cut through. And unfortunately I can't
• 27:15
  Speaker 11: see it. I can't see the policies. I mean, the
• 27:18
  Speaker 11: other thing was, you know Taylor's announcement, why he mentioned immigration,
• 27:22
  Speaker 11: you know, the driving everybody to one nation. He could
• 27:26
  Speaker 11: have said something, you know, I am going to reduce immigration.
• 27:30
  Speaker 11: You don't underpin that with the living standards argument. Didn't
• 27:32
  Speaker 11: do it hopeless.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Well, and listen, Cameron, you're talking about Ago.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: That was the shadow treasurer. He fancies himself on his
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: financial Now, I didn't hear about interest rates.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: I didn't hear about inflation.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe it's trying to save his hits for
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: a better day, but honestly, repetition is just key.
• 27:51
  Speaker 13: Why no mention of any of that. Well, perhaps he's
• 27:55
  Speaker 13: actually not that very good Andrew. That's the problem. We're
• 27:58
  Speaker 13: expecting huge things from a guy who's been very awful
• 28:00
  Speaker 13: as a shadow treasurer. To be fair, I mean, he
• 28:02
  Speaker 13: had cost of living running away on this previous government
• 28:05
  Speaker 13: and he went to an.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Election with higher taxes.
• 28:07
  Speaker 13: And higher deficits as a shadow treasurer. I mean, you know,
• 28:10
  Speaker 13: you know Jim Chalmer's best mate honestly in politics. Now,
• 28:14
  Speaker 13: I think the Liberal Party got a long way to
• 28:15
  Speaker 13: go and it needs they need a proper plan and
• 28:17
  Speaker 13: a proper set of policies. To your point, Michael, let's
• 28:20
  Speaker 13: hear some values, let's hear some ideas, and then maybe
• 28:23
  Speaker 13: there'll be an electoral contest.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Oh Michael, look, I don't know. Maybe this is a
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: strategy here. What could it be that he is he thinking,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know, he might not even challenge this week?
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Do I don't know? He didn't say. I mean, you
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: know we're all guessing here now. But is he thinking
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: there's going to be a better opportunity to make most
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: set speech and that.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Is there an alternative sort of theory that we haven't
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: thought about yet where it could justify not actually saying
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: what he stands for.
• 28:53
  Speaker 11: No, he's in lept. I mean, Andrew, I mean, this
• 28:56
  Speaker 11: is his one chance. Nobody cares about his opposition in
• 29:01
  Speaker 11: the best of times. Here's a chance to get on
• 29:03
  Speaker 11: the national TV and put a few policy positions that
• 29:06
  Speaker 11: people can say, Oh, I like that guy. He's going
• 29:07
  Speaker 11: to cut immigration. Oh he's going to cut power prices
• 29:10
  Speaker 11: or something. He said nothing. You didn't even say he
• 29:13
  Speaker 11: was challenging. Andrew was pathetic.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: So how's this going to play out? Cameron? Presuming there
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: is going to be a leadership challenge? I don't know.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Quote when Andrew Colonel was fairly clear that he would
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: win it, how will that all them play? How do
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: you think Labour's going to go for him? How do
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: you think he'll sustain that? What they need to.
• 29:36
  Speaker 13: Do well, I think Jim Charles are going ten rounds
• 29:39
  Speaker 13: of the room again, you know, I mean, I mean that.
• 29:41
  Speaker 13: The trick here is the Liberal Party actually need to
• 29:44
  Speaker 13: reset their values, Andrew. They need to reset their connection
• 29:47
  Speaker 13: with the electorate. And to your point, Michael, they need
• 29:49
  Speaker 13: to do with policy ideas, they need to do with
• 29:50
  Speaker 13: some promises. And so Taylor just thinks words at He's
• 29:54
  Speaker 13: one and only big press conference where he could have
• 29:56
  Speaker 13: announced all these things and actually set the agenda.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: He's missed that up.
• 30:00
  Speaker 13: If that's what he's going to be like his opposition
• 30:01
  Speaker 13: leader Alberiez has got at home and host how about he.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Is, Well, what do you think, Michael?
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Is there a chance now that the Liberals looking at
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: that will think some of the waivers, Oh, you know,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: we can't have that as our leader.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Will stick with Susan Lee? Could she limp on? Oh?
• 30:19
  Speaker 11: I don't think so, Andrew. I think those poles have
• 30:21
  Speaker 11: killed her. There's no chance of them with Susan Lee.
• 30:25
  Speaker 11: I think they're going to have to back him in.
• 30:27
  Speaker 11: But the problem is is what I said right at
• 30:29
  Speaker 11: the beginning, he just feels like turnable to me. He
• 30:33
  Speaker 11: thinks that just the very fact that he's the leader
• 30:36
  Speaker 11: is going to transform it. No policies, no strategy. I mean,
• 30:39
  Speaker 11: let's talk about the elephant in the room, the organizational
• 30:43
  Speaker 11: structure of the Liberal Party and the coalition in terms
• 30:45
  Speaker 11: of on the ground electioneering. I mean, they're incompetent, as
• 30:49
  Speaker 11: we saw in the last election. Where's the strategy to
• 30:51
  Speaker 11: turn all around? If they can't turn around, sorry, they're
• 30:55
  Speaker 11: not going to win the next election. All the one
• 30:57
  Speaker 11: after one after that.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: The way they're looking, well, I'm going to just suggest
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: something that one of the players suggests are probably more
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: like a hail Mary fingers crossed that let's hope.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: How about this? Will it fly? Susan Lee.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Offers Andrew Hasty a senior job to give him this
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: season in Cameron that you talked about, give him the experience,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: get him match ready, offers him a senior position she
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: lives on. They both didn't have a chance that buy
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: sometimes she'd approved his leadership material. He did become leadership material.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: What do you think of that?
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 31:37
  Speaker 13: Look, I think to Michael's point, she's just damage goods.
• 31:39
  Speaker 13: I mean, you know, electric voters don't fall back in
• 31:42
  Speaker 13: love with with leaders. They just let them go. And
• 31:45
  Speaker 13: they've let let They've let let Lee go. I mean,
• 31:47
  Speaker 13: she's she's basically put her put her out of misery.
• 31:50
  Speaker 13: You know, let's step away from the leadership, give it
• 31:52
  Speaker 13: someone else and go. But goodness me, the choice is
• 31:54
  Speaker 13: pretty horrible. That's Angus Taylor, Cameron and Milner Michael Costa.
• 31:58
  Speaker 13: Thank you very much to you both.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: I'm joined again by Andrew Clanel, who's been covering the
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: latest Andrew. Look, I have to say that was one
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: of the most amazingly underwhelming speeches I've ever heard from
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: someone putting up their hands wow to challenge, who's had
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: a chance even to think about it, And he won't
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: say when is challenging what he stands for? What are
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: these valueses? Fighting for? What he'll do different? Nothing? What
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: on earth was that?
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: I thought the most Okay, I'd probably give him an
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: easier time than you are, Andrew. But what I would
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: say is the most puzzling thing is not sort of
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: saying I'm challenging now and I expect a ballot on
• 32:42
  Speaker 7: Friday or Thursday or whatever. Right, So he's just saying
• 32:45
  Speaker 7: I'm resigning. So maybe Susan Lee has just gone, well,
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: we'll decide when the ballot is thank you very much.
• 32:54
  Speaker 7: So I guess the system is now. The whips written
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: to first and second and Aaron Violi. He's probably seen
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: as someone who'd vote for Taylor and he's got to
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: organize it. So Taylor might get his wish of Friday,
• 33:06
  Speaker 7: unless Susan Lee says to the whip or no, thanks,
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: I'd like it tomorrow evening. So even at this stage,
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: after taking so long Ingus Taylor to bring it on.
• 33:17
  Speaker 7: We still can't say when the actual ballot is but
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: you know, all we know is it's busy a couple
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: of days for us again in Canberra. We've been mading low.
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: I crossed the day a to am this morning. I'm
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: still crossing now because it's been eleven hours to come
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: to what I said. What I revealed would happened yesterday,
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: that he would resign today. And as I said to
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: you earlier in the show, I do believe that's about
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: the timing of the ballot. Angus Taylor doesn't want to
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: get the leadership tomorrow morning and then walk into question time.
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: Apparently he wants to make sure all the senators are
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: there to vote. He wants to make sure all the
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: senators are there to vote. But look, I mean, I
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: know what he's saying, and I think the polls show
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: that even though Hasty is more of a gamble in
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: terms of experience, he's he's the one that people would
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: like to see tested out. And so that's that's going
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: to be a big part of the commentary around this. Nevertheless,
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: Taylor has the numbers, I believe, and he'll get a
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: chance he'll get a chance.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: It will be tough for him.
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: The government are going to come after him big time
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: and look at his performance as Shadow Treasurer and part
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: of that disastrous s election campaign, and they're just going
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: to continue to whack him.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: But that is.
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: That's the challenge for Angus Taylor going forward. The whole
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: thing though, from the coalition split on even to how
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: long this process is taken to get the spill up,
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: speaks to a very sort of messy environment, doesn't it
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: not really professional? You know, I can't say, lady person
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: said to me, Andrew, you can't say to resolve this strong.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Leadership, But I don't dare to challenge and I don't
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: dare go in front of a question term tomorrow and
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: I can't tell you. I mean that was a performance
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: of ham on Burlie Griffin right if the Liberals.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: Want to hamlet, oh, I don't know. I'm a bit doubtful.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: I can't say what I really think of to be
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: or not to be in favor of. I mean, seriously, mate,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: he's got a liberal party. Right from what you said,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: it's not even clear that how much how many numbers
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: he needs, you know, some of the Senators and blah blah.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: When you've got that, you've got this rare opportunity with
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: the country of gog and watching every step and passing
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: every sentence, you know, to tell the wavering liberals what
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: you stand for. And he did not. And even if
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: all that what you say is true about you know,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: we need to delay it. We want to go to
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Friday instead of Thursday, and all that. That doesn't explain
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: why you wouldn't say what you stand for and why
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: it'd be better.
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: Well, we've really teed off there, Andrew, Look, I will
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: offer this defense, I mean this initial press so you
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: just say, I'm standing right. He's probably more to be
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: charged on if he gets the leadership his first press
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: conference and the big statement there, or if he gets
• 36:08
  Speaker 7: the leadership, hopefully you'll come on Sunday agenda and talk
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: to me and let's see what he has to say.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: But I do I just like that only pitch.
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: But I do agree with you that whatever he says
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: in those environments has to be something special because the
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: biggest fear of everyone, including those who are going to
• 36:25
  Speaker 7: vote in this ballot, is that you get a new
• 36:28
  Speaker 7: leader and nothing changes with those numbers and man, that
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: would be a disaster.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: But the thing is, with that speech, nothing will change.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: That's my point.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: He didn't explain why it would change.
• 36:41
  Speaker 7: But you're right, Andrew, give my show, Andrew, give me
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: a show.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Well, here's look. If he turns up really, you know,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: surprising me, I'll say so.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: I will say so.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: But I will also say this, Andrew, because I always
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: watch your show. Obviously, any liberal watching knows that I'm
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: mister bad and Andrew's mister good is mister kind. So
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: I would say to Angus Taylor, don't go on my show.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Go and Andrews. Go and Andrews on Sunday, give him,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: give him the go. And Andrew, Colonel, very much appreciate
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: you spending the whole day on this story. Finally the
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: ice has melted. You've given us the scoop. I really
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: appreciate it. Thank you so much. After the break, why
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Grace Thames call for intifada is so dangerous, but why
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: this moment in Monday's protest is even worse. Taylor has
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: just quit as from the front. Penge of the Liberal
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Party told Susan Lee he was off. That frees him
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: up to challenge, but he hasn't actually said he will
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: do it or if he will when, So it's all
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: very confusing. I was very tough on his speech each
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: if you can call it that, announcing his decision was
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: I too tough.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Here's a little bit of it.
• 38:07
  Speaker 9: The Liberal Party is at the worst position it has
• 38:11
  Speaker 9: been since nineteen forty four when the party was formed.
• 38:16
  Speaker 9: That is a confronting reality and we cannot ignore it.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Well, no one is ignoring it.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: But the problem is what was he going to do
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: about it, and that he didn't say anyway. We'll have
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: more to say about that later in the show, but
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: for now, you know, the focus has all been on
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: the Strand of the Year Grace Tame leading chance for
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: into FADA in Australia as well.
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: Here she is again from Gadigal to Gaza Globalize the
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: ANGI final won my.
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: Time, from Galligol to Gada Globalize.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Now I understand the rage at Grace Tame, even though
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: there's something else that day that I think is more serious.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: In fact, I think Tame should not be stripped of
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: from Australia of the Year title. She should be investigated
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: for inciting violence. That's because just two months ago we
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: saw what an Interfada actually looked like fifteen people shot
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: dead at a Jewish festival at Bondai. And I don't
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: fall for the smirking excuse that anti Israel protest is
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: off a gift for oh no into Farda. I just mean,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: you know, it's uprising in Arabic, that's all. In fact,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: it's more familiar as the name given to two wars
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: terrorist wars by Palestinian extremists against Israeli Jews and Palestinian collaborators,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: hundreds of whom have been killed. The second into Farda
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: included more than one hundred and thirty suicide bombings in
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Israel on buses and shops, cafes, the university, and a
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: disco where twenty one people were murdered.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: That is into Farda.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: And it is beyond disgusting to hear Australians openly demanding
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: into Farda here too? Are they nuts for something else?
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: That Sydney town Hall protest could be even more dangerous?
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Someone to the men were there lied by sheikh some Chaikawi.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: They dropped to the knees and started to pray and
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: were then cleared away by police for ignoring orders to
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: clear the area after other protests that attacked police and
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: threatened to break their cordon, which is only about seven
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: hundred meters from where Israeli President was addressing.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: A crowd of Jews.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Now that prayer and those police inspired the coverage, I
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: suspect some protests the organizers actually welcomed the Greens were poisonous.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: We have known that we are second class citizens in
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: this country for a very long time, and now everyone
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: can see that Muslims are not just gaslighted, they are
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: not just scapegoarded, but they are actually assaulted by the
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: very people who are supposed to protect us.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: And the Lebanese Bison Association announced the forceful suppression of peaceful
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: religious practice austrain and nationals Immams counseled blasted a breach
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: of religious sanctity. And suddenly then an anti israil protests
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: led by artist agitated Josh Lees had become an Islamic
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: crusade crushed by supposedly anti Muslim police of a colonialist state.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: And I checked the social media reaction now means yes,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: sure a lot of Australians are backing the police. The
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: new Southwest premier has been brilliant at standing up to them,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: he's standing against the anti Israel haters, is standing by
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: the police as well. But I also saw a lot
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: of posts, an awful lot of posts, often by people
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: with Arabic names, repeating those claims the police and the
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: government are again being mean to Muslim's joining me, as
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: David added from the Strange Jewish Association, David, thanks for
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: joining me. This is this is scary stuff. I mean,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: here is the confrontation. I don't think that Bussom prayer
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: session should have been held at the front line of
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: a political protest that seemed to be quite deliberate, provocative
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: and gave maybe predictably these headlines.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: They're dangerous.
• 41:58
  Speaker 12: Well, Hendra good to join new as always, and we
• 42:02
  Speaker 12: have seen this strategy in the UK and the EU,
• 42:06
  Speaker 12: where outdoor Muslim prayers are conducted in a way that
• 42:13
  Speaker 12: obstructs public spaces. Now no one has the slightest concern
• 42:17
  Speaker 12: about holding Muslim prayers in mosques in Islamic scenes. Probably
• 42:24
  Speaker 12: I haven't counted to be honest, but obstructing public spaces
• 42:30
  Speaker 12: in such a way is unusual for Australia. In the EU,
• 42:36
  Speaker 12: it is interpreted not as a religious exercise but as
• 42:42
  Speaker 12: a political one, which signals domination, which signals power. So
• 42:47
  Speaker 12: I think that's at the basis of the concern that
• 42:50
  Speaker 12: a lot of people are expressing.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: This is a shift.
• 42:54
  Speaker 12: Where it's being used in a political context to send
• 42:58
  Speaker 12: a message.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Well, talking about colonial listeners, like colonizing a public space.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: It's a flex, it seems to me. I do know
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: the Sheik Shaikhawi is a founder of the Muslim Vote,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: which ran candidates in the last selection. It's this mixing
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: of politics and religion that I think is really dangerous
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: and I wonder where.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: That's going to lead to.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: But you've seen, and no doubt being as as raged
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: enraged as I am, by a group purporting to speak
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: for Jews right, getting a lot of friendly interviews of
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: the ABC, the Australian Jewish Council, with people like Louise
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Adler on it.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: No relation. I've got a decline. I checked that before
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: I invited you.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Again, I'm sure the right handler, I said, get the
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: right Andler here. She ran the Adelaide Writers Festival, right,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: and she stacked it with anti Israel writers, including one
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: that seemed to support defend how musteris tacking Octoby seven appalling.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: I suspect you'll be pleased as I am that they're
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: now being called out, I mean about being loose with
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: the truth and all that kind of stuff. After today
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: had to apologize for the full page ad it ran
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: in the Age in the Sydney Morning Herald, claiming it
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: spoke for more than one thousand Jews saying no to
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: the visit of Israel's President Isaac hertzelg In fact that
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: I had listed a fewer than six hundred names, not
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: a thousand, and people signing this petition could also be
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: non Jews that didn't actually have to be Jews. And
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: what's more, several Zionists have said my name's on that
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: I never agree to that. They've had to remove twenty
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: names so far because you know they were false names.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: One name was actually Hebrew.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Phrase from excuse me, kiss my ass, and three names
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: were of Jews who worked as capo guards in Nazi
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: concentration camps. One was a woman who posted that HiT's
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: only mistake was that he stopping too soon, and one
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: was named after a Marvel cartoon character whose secret superpower
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: is running away from danger.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: What do you make of all this?
• 45:04
  Speaker 12: Well, firstly, let me make it one hundred percent clear.
• 45:07
  Speaker 12: This organization is not representative at all of mainstream Judaism,
• 45:13
  Speaker 12: which does have a spectrum of political views. But this
• 45:16
  Speaker 12: is really very, very fringe group. There's another issue which
• 45:21
  Speaker 12: deserves attention. It's very expensive to take full page advertisements
• 45:26
  Speaker 12: in newspapers.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: There's the money.
• 45:28
  Speaker 12: Where's it coming from? You know, these are fifty to
• 45:32
  Speaker 12: seventy thousand dollars a pop and it's not the first
• 45:34
  Speaker 12: time they've done a full page advertisement. I think there
• 45:37
  Speaker 12: needs to be some examination.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: It's very expensive. I'd like to know that as well.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: But I think this group has been discredited by this
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: ad and I think the two newspapers who had to
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: pull it because they probably get sued for falsely listening
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: people that David, I'm sorry, I've got to go because
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Canberra has overwhelmed us. Thank you so much for coming in,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: really appreciating you. After the break, we'll get the panel
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: in our next panel to talk about these strange doings
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: in Canberra and more. Angus Taylor, Okay, I thought it
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: was a hamlet on the Burley Griffin saying, you know,
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: I wasn't quite sure if it's going to challenge or
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: wouldn't tell us when to be or not to be
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: a politician of conviction.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: You thought it was too rough.
• 46:32
  Speaker 10: GEMONI nice to see you in the flesh.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Yes And David Adler, my Skunesh presenter, you did another
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: great job yesterday.
• 46:41
  Speaker 8: Was that too rough?
• 46:42
  Speaker 10: A little bit?
• 46:42
  Speaker 14: And I'll tell you that first first of all, cuts.
• 46:46
  Speaker 10: To angers for having a haircut look very sharp. That's
• 46:49
  Speaker 10: a good thing.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Picked the treasurer picked that question, said haircut.
• 46:54
  Speaker 10: That's exactly right.
• 46:55
  Speaker 14: Look, I think he's come out, and obviously he was guarded.
• 46:58
  Speaker 14: But to expect him to come out with as your
• 47:01
  Speaker 14: previous guests did, and I know their labor, their labor guys,
• 47:04
  Speaker 14: but their sensible lefty labor, so.
• 47:05
  Speaker 10: I don't mind them.
• 47:07
  Speaker 14: To expect him to come out with fully formed policy
• 47:09
  Speaker 14: ideas is unrealistic.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: That's exactly what I know.
• 47:13
  Speaker 10: I said, it was unrealistic to expect him to come
• 47:16
  Speaker 10: out fully formed policy. It is right now.
• 47:19
  Speaker 14: I didn't it just says I felt like he said
• 47:22
  Speaker 14: exactly what I expected him to say at this juncture
• 47:24
  Speaker 14: of the process.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: Keep yours doesn't expect much. He looked, ner.
• 47:29
  Speaker 10: I am so not nothing about me. That's easy, my friend.
• 47:32
  Speaker 15: He looked nervous, and he looked hesitant. And they're in
• 47:35
  Speaker 15: such dire trouble at the moment they had to have
• 47:38
  Speaker 15: someone come out and make an immediate impact, make a splash.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: Me.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I thought it was.
• 47:43
  Speaker 14: Barely a ripple, says I'm a I'm a liberal voter,
• 47:45
  Speaker 14: And I looked at that and went, that's about what
• 47:47
  Speaker 14: I would expect.
• 47:47
  Speaker 10: You do you know why involved here? How much do
• 47:50
  Speaker 10: you expect You're power to dry? And you need to
• 47:52
  Speaker 10: blow the damn thing up and light the fuse. That's
• 47:54
  Speaker 10: my advice.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Good heavens, I mean, the only swarm the enemy swarming
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: of the ramper.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: Don't think this is the time for the power.
• 48:01
  Speaker 10: I am that you play a long game, play a
• 48:03
  Speaker 10: medium game. In a long game, the first turtle ever
• 48:05
  Speaker 10: get her out of the house, got to get her
• 48:06
  Speaker 10: out of the house.
• 48:07
  Speaker 15: You've got a blaster out of the house, don't sort
• 48:09
  Speaker 15: of you.
• 48:09
  Speaker 10: Know she's an eighteen eighteen percent.
• 48:12
  Speaker 14: Do you think that those politicians who are about nothing
• 48:14
  Speaker 14: else other than self preservation are going to go, Yeah,
• 48:16
  Speaker 14: we're going to back the woman who's on eighteen percent.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: We're going to lose out everyone.
• 48:20
  Speaker 15: As if everyone who's telling pulses there will be for
• 48:22
  Speaker 15: one nation would have watched that and thought more of
• 48:25
  Speaker 15: the same.
• 48:26
  Speaker 10: I don't agree.
• 48:27
  Speaker 14: I fundamentally it needs leadership. I'm in corporate life every
• 48:31
  Speaker 14: day and that's the way.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: What did you get out of it? Then?
• 48:34
  Speaker 10: As I said that is easy, he said he.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: Didn't expect much. I didn't expect much either.
• 48:38
  Speaker 14: So I've never seen I've never seen any one of these.
• 48:41
  Speaker 14: And I'm old thirty years in this game, in and
• 48:44
  Speaker 14: around media or in corporate life and TV and whatnot.
• 48:46
  Speaker 14: I've never seen any challenger come out and say this
• 48:50
  Speaker 14: is my policy on tax, this is my.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Poslic I didn't say policy values between values.
• 48:54
  Speaker 10: He spoke about that.
• 48:56
  Speaker 14: He said, we need cost of living, we need this,
• 48:59
  Speaker 14: we need the liberal body. Voters want the Liberal Party
• 49:01
  Speaker 14: to do better. He talked to the things fundamental core
• 49:04
  Speaker 14: issues right.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Now that was a bit of doubt with her and
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: say we need the liberal padage of worse.
• 49:10
  Speaker 10: Well, there's still time. It not impossible for.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Malcolm Turbo when he said, you know away with Abbott now,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: he said, you know, we need to communicate better. He
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: heard a couple of things. He was going to Susan
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: legal It rough to think that Malcolm Turba is going
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: to be a better communicator.
• 49:27
  Speaker 15: Susan Lee believes in Australian values, and she believes in
• 49:30
  Speaker 15: reducing the cost of.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Living, does she though, of course she does, and.
• 49:33
  Speaker 15: She believes in doing better exactly, and she believes in
• 49:36
  Speaker 15: vagaries and process. This looks like a lot more process
• 49:39
  Speaker 15: to me.
• 49:39
  Speaker 10: I don't agree. But you know, he'sn't even not the leader.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Yet no one.
• 49:44
  Speaker 15: Saw that and got excited.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: Not a single liberal person saw that press.
• 49:49
  Speaker 15: Conference and thought, wow, this is what we need.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Everyone yawned, Okay, well, look since I've been too unfair,
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: and what do you you think?
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: But what do you think he should do? What do
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: you think he offers that Susan Lee does not?
• 50:02
  Speaker 10: Well, time will tell right right now, right, you.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Can't even say that he would love for something better.
• 50:07
  Speaker 10: I continue what he offers.
• 50:10
  Speaker 14: That's he's not her, right And I said this year,
• 50:13
  Speaker 14: this year, this week, I watched on this program all
• 50:16
  Speaker 14: week when liberal leaders, when Andrew Wallace people like that,
• 50:19
  Speaker 14: were asked, well, why should she keep her job?
• 50:21
  Speaker 10: And they were like, oh, it's really hard.
• 50:23
  Speaker 14: Poor Susan, it's a hard job and she hasn't had
• 50:26
  Speaker 14: enough time spare me, spare me. Of course, it's a
• 50:30
  Speaker 14: hard job. Don't do it if you can't do it.
• 50:32
  Speaker 14: She's had a year in a bit, so she's on
• 50:34
  Speaker 14: eighteen percent. You look to the Liberal Party slim pickings.
• 50:38
  Speaker 14: Obviously no one's sitting there going wow, what a wealth
• 50:40
  Speaker 14: of talent.
• 50:41
  Speaker 10: We have to choose from. So does Angus Taylor have
• 50:44
  Speaker 10: what it takes?
• 50:45
  Speaker 14: We don't know, but I'm willing to back that. Then
• 50:47
  Speaker 14: stay on the horse that's got.
• 50:49
  Speaker 10: You're on anyone, but no, not anyone but no.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: But I mean, okay, for example, we talked.
• 50:54
  Speaker 14: About we talked about hastely right, we talked about hasty
• 50:57
  Speaker 14: and a lot of people believe he's a better option person.
• 51:00
  Speaker 14: I don't think he's ready mature enough. And also I
• 51:04
  Speaker 14: know personally the punish commuting from Perth to the West
• 51:08
  Speaker 14: Coast to the most regularly when you've got a young family,
• 51:11
  Speaker 14: which I obviously never have, they are very difficult.
• 51:14
  Speaker 15: The danger of the Liberal Party of God is if
• 51:15
  Speaker 15: they get this change wrong, they are completely stuffed. You
• 51:19
  Speaker 15: get one chance to turn this around when your polling
• 51:22
  Speaker 15: is so bad, and so they don't need an incremental change,
• 51:25
  Speaker 15: they need a radical shift. Angus Taylor is not a
• 51:28
  Speaker 15: radical shift. Hasty would have been Angus Taylor.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: But a Gema's point.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, this will be Andrew Hasey some time to
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: sharpen up. Yes, probably knowing that he's not going to.
• 51:41
  Speaker 14: Still after the it's not even that interesting one, so
• 51:44
  Speaker 14: giving him time, although that does give him time, absolutely,
• 51:48
  Speaker 14: it's about do you go, sorry, take a step sideways.
• 51:52
  Speaker 10: I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying. There is there
• 51:54
  Speaker 10: is a lot at stake here, right, but.
• 51:56
  Speaker 14: The choices I saw it was someone who is experience
• 52:00
  Speaker 14: in parliament, has a better presence on this side of
• 52:02
  Speaker 14: the country, all of that sort.
• 52:03
  Speaker 10: Of stuff, or someone who is still green. It's like
• 52:06
  Speaker 10: putting it's like putting a.
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  Speaker 14: Green reporter in the Parliamentary Press gallery and saying do
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  Speaker 14: it all yourself.
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  Speaker 3: Andrew Hasty, you would be the man.
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  Speaker 14: But do you not think that they would have canvassed
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  Speaker 14: the Parliamentary Party on this.
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  Speaker 10: This is not something that just happened like that.
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  Speaker 2: That is true because his best friend politics he told him,
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  Speaker 2: you're not ready yet, James mcperson James Patterson, who once
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  Speaker 2: said that Andrew Hasty is about my closest friend in
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  Speaker 2: politics and in said I'm not backing you too.
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  Speaker 3: Green.
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  Speaker 10: That's a good friend, right, good friend could.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: Be a good friend.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: Jemmy Toonini, James McPherson, thanks again for last night doing
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: the show for me, Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 3: Coming up next, Sherry Maxon. But for me it's good night.