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Jeff Legwold joins Moser, Lombardi and Kane 7-31-25 · Jeff Legwold ESPN Broncos Reports

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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure Jeff Legot was listening to this exact
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  Speaker 1: song of the way to the stadium today, this exact one.
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  Speaker 3: You'd be stunned.
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  Speaker 4: What do you listen to when you're in your car?
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  Speaker 3: You'd be stunned.
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  Speaker 5: Look, obviously our show, No jeez, come out and say it,
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  Speaker 5: not even for a second.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so stuff, I'm gonna be on.
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  Speaker 3: I want to be surprised.
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  Speaker 4: Stun us. What what are you listening to?
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  Speaker 3: Your own little internet shows are driving me crazy? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I listened to my own little internet show.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I listen to what my kids listen.
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  Speaker 4: To, so do I. Yeah, So like, uh, I.
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  Speaker 3: Don't do any of that. If I show you, if
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  Speaker 3: I show you my playlist, you I once one a
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  Speaker 3: bet with uh. I was walking through the Titans locker
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  Speaker 3: room one time and they were all busting my chops
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  Speaker 3: for a variety of things, and they were like, who's
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  Speaker 3: favorite rapper? You know, the typical old dude joke? And
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  Speaker 3: I said Chuck d and they were like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: they were yelling at me. I'm sorry, I almost so
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  Speaker 3: I had to show him. I got all excited. I
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  Speaker 3: got all excited now. Then then he was like, you
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  Speaker 3: wanted to pay me? But I said I can't take
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  Speaker 3: him all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jeff Lagel at ESPN dot com.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry almost cussed, but I cussed too much anyway. You
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  Speaker 3: know this.
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  Speaker 1: No, you had a good catch though. But Jeff, this
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  Speaker 1: is sort of the question I've had when we first
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  Speaker 1: got to camp, which.
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  Speaker 3: Is why you put me on the air. I have
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  Speaker 3: no idea.
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  Speaker 1: No, I love talking to you, Jeff, Come on now.
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  Speaker 1: It's that there isn't really a theme to the camp,
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  Speaker 1: at least heading into it, which is weird. It's always
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  Speaker 1: been like what's the quarterback battle? Look like how's the
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  Speaker 1: first round? Yeah, so what is it to you? Like,
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  Speaker 1: what is your main question of camp?
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  Speaker 3: I don't have a question. My theme is the head
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  Speaker 3: coach thinks this team's pretty good. Yeah, so that's your theme,
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  Speaker 3: and that's gonna be the theme. And I think, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the players better be ready for that. You could tell
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  Speaker 3: us when a guy like him who thinks his team
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  Speaker 3: is good, the screws will be tightened.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, what are they going to do or how
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  Speaker 5: are they going to use Evan Ingram Because he's not
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  Speaker 5: a conventional tight end.
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  Speaker 3: He's not gonna he doesn't look like he can block
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  Speaker 3: to me, you know, somebody, a GM from another team
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  Speaker 3: asked me the other day and I said, I I
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  Speaker 3: think he's essentially w R two. Yeah, this team, I agree,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and I think he'll be all over the formation.
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  Speaker 3: He blocks well enough, you can play him in line
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  Speaker 3: and not be giving up your you know, not be
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  Speaker 3: tipping your hand by you know, you're running these sets
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  Speaker 3: of plays. Because he's in this in the slot you're
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  Speaker 3: running these, they won't have that problem. He can play
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  Speaker 3: the position well enough. But he's going to get a
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  Speaker 3: lot of and we've seen it out here. That's a
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  Speaker 3: spot on the field. They have not had impact in
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  Speaker 3: the passing game for a pretty long time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm curious about that.
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  Speaker 6: Jeff and and I'm not going to give away anything
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  Speaker 6: so that they don't get reprimanded in the trouble. But
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  Speaker 6: he's been where he's going to line up on any
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  Speaker 6: given play is going to be different, I think, right,
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  Speaker 6: So it's like a new toy for Sean Payton. I
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  Speaker 6: guess my question is how much does the offense change
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  Speaker 6: with that sort of weapon and that sort of new
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  Speaker 6: toy all over the formation as opposed to what we've
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  Speaker 6: seen the clunkiness of the tight end position the last
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  Speaker 6: several years.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think it just enables Nicks to have a
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  Speaker 3: bigger variety of where he can go. Because this year
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  Speaker 3: for bow Nicks will be about what everyone is trying
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  Speaker 3: to take away from you. Last year, everyone's just sort
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  Speaker 3: of learning him what you like, what you don't like,
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  Speaker 3: how far will you develop in your rookie season all
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  Speaker 3: those things. This year will be far more what his
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  Speaker 3: career will be moving forward, which is this week, we
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  Speaker 3: are not going to let you do these four things.
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  Speaker 3: Ingram and Sutton. They now now you can do things
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  Speaker 3: with those guys to force defenses to have to respond.
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  Speaker 3: I did not talk to one defensive coach last year
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  Speaker 3: who believed they had to give up a lot of
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  Speaker 3: resources to handle the Broncos tight end. They just didn't think,
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  Speaker 3: you know, if you were yeah, they didn't have to
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  Speaker 3: do anything special or even worry about it. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: the stat I've told everyone is that their tight Lucas
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  Speaker 3: Crowle leads to the tight ends last year with nineteen catches.
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  Speaker 3: There were sixteen teams that had two tight ends with
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  Speaker 3: more catches than that. Crazy, and there was one with
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  Speaker 3: three tight ends with more catches than that.
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  Speaker 2: That.
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  Speaker 3: You can't in today's NFL against nickel defenses across the board,
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  Speaker 3: you cannot have that limited of production from the title.
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  Speaker 3: That's the matchup you can win consistently. You know.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things that I want to go back to,
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  Speaker 1: because you said your theme is the head coach thinks
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  Speaker 1: this team is pretty good, and I think that's that's obvious.
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  Speaker 1: What I think is interesting, though, is I know they
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  Speaker 1: improve the running back room. They went out and they
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  Speaker 1: got Evan Ingram, but they invested all of their highest
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  Speaker 1: end capital in both free agency and the draft in defense.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think Sean Payton just kind of thinks to himself,
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  Speaker 1: my scheme, in my mind, is good enough that I
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  Speaker 1: can make this work with they don't need to go
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  Speaker 1: out and get high priced guys.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah and nah, I wouldn't say not yet high. I
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  Speaker 3: mean they gave something. Ye's pretty good deal. I mean
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  Speaker 3: they're gonna pay people what they think they need to
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  Speaker 3: pay people. But an offensive coach, Mike Shanahan thought that way.
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  Speaker 3: I mean offensive coaches think that way. But I also
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  Speaker 3: think it showed a pretty good aware of Look, are
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  Speaker 3: you gonna win the AFC West If your strategy is
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  Speaker 3: our quarterback will be better than it ain't gonna happen.
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  Speaker 3: Then the guy in Kansas City? You know, are you
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  Speaker 3: consistently gonna be better in the two minute drill than
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  Speaker 3: they are? So I think it showed a really good
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  Speaker 3: awareness on their part to say, all right, you know
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  Speaker 3: we'll win the twenty four to twenty game because the
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  Speaker 3: defense gets a style and they should.
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  Speaker 4: Have won last year in Kansas City playing that exact style.
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  Speaker 3: And if they have this defense, who's to say? I mean,
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  Speaker 3: green law changes everything. If they somehow keep him healthy
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  Speaker 3: and they get good fortune.
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  Speaker 4: Is it just me? Or does he just drip intensity
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  Speaker 4: when he's out there?
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  Speaker 3: Him the first snap of the run series yesterday, he
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  Speaker 3: craters the guy the whole drill has changed for the
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  Speaker 3: entire rest of the time. I was just gonna say
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  Speaker 3: that they haven't had that kind of sizzle in the
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  Speaker 3: middle as it were since al.
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  Speaker 4: Back to the offense.
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  Speaker 5: Quick question regarding do you think with Dobbins and Harvey
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  Speaker 5: and what he sees now, do you think Peyton will
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  Speaker 5: make more of a commitment to the run game And
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  Speaker 5: how do you see that commitment unfold?
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  Speaker 3: You know he wants to now, you know, when the
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  Speaker 3: play sheets in his hand and the game's going. We
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  Speaker 3: don't know that answer yet because he he kept saying
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  Speaker 3: it last year and he wrote it down. He kept
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  Speaker 3: drifting away even in the game. He wrote it down.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's why he was so mad we all
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  Speaker 3: saw it. It's because he I think they had like
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  Speaker 3: six carries.
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  Speaker 4: Wrote He wrote it pretty big.
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  Speaker 6: Jeff, Yeah, I mean the Space Shuttle of the space
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  Speaker 6: the Space station with the camera.
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  Speaker 3: I told him that, you know, if if we can
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  Speaker 3: see it from the International Space Station, it's a good
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  Speaker 3: bet where we're gonna be able to. You know, they're
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  Speaker 3: going to see it on TV, but I think they
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  Speaker 3: want to. I think he thinks it needs to happen
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  Speaker 3: because I think ultimately It's like, you know, Mike Shanahan,
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  Speaker 3: there's probably no bigger believer in play action than Mike Shanahan.
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  Speaker 3: But Sean understands with this quarterback. Play action is a
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  Speaker 3: really really good RPOs. Yeah, those are, but they don't
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  Speaker 3: work really. I mean, play action gets a reaction from
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  Speaker 3: the defense even if you stink at running the ball,
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  Speaker 3: But its real impact is if you can really run
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  Speaker 3: the ball. And again, you know a lot of their
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  Speaker 3: free agency bets are if a guy is healthy. Well,
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  Speaker 3: if Dobbins is healthy, he changes Cherry offense a little bit.
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  Speaker 6: We had an interesting discussion yesterday about the Broncos offense
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  Speaker 6: and about Sean Payton and basically his confidence in his
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  Speaker 6: playbook and his confidence in himself to call the right
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  Speaker 6: place and that's what he wants. Run the play correct.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you run the play that I call and
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  Speaker 6: run it effectively and it's going to work. And we
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  Speaker 6: look around the offense, Jeffen, is there any player on
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  Speaker 6: the Broncos offense who's the best at his position in
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  Speaker 6: the AFC West?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean I think, okay, quick quit.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, so you're your Pro bowlguard, Okay, okay, But in
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  Speaker 6: terms of skill position. You know, we were talking about
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  Speaker 6: that and.
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  Speaker 1: Portland's Scortland's at least in the discussion, he's probably He's
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  Speaker 1: probably up there, But you can't make a definitive case
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  Speaker 1: that this guy is the best.
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  Speaker 6: So I guess my my question is do you believe
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  Speaker 6: that too, that you know, you don't need all this
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  Speaker 6: flashiness in all of this high end talent on the
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  Speaker 6: offensive side at least supremigh end to make this thing
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  Speaker 6: working and have the quarterback be able to run it
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  Speaker 6: effectively and be very good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you need talent. I'm never gonna say
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  Speaker 3: any coach and.
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  Speaker 4: They have talent the don't get me wrong.
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  Speaker 3: No, No, they're a talented team. I think I think
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  Speaker 3: this is the most talented team we've seen potentially again
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  Speaker 3: if everyone's healthy and all that. But there's the most
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  Speaker 3: talent one to fifty three on this team that we've
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  Speaker 3: seen in a long time. So, uh, you know, do
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  Speaker 3: they have the all pro level of guy? You know,
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  Speaker 3: maybe one or two spots. You know, I think I
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  Speaker 3: think Cortland's underrated, you know, as a player, because he
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  Speaker 3: does more than catch the ball, and he does things
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  Speaker 3: maybe people don't care about. But it's important in the offense.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, minors is probably their elite level talent.
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  Speaker 3: And you know if a guard is your elite level talent,
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  Speaker 3: is that you know confetti can in time? I don't
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  Speaker 3: think so, but you know it's still you still got
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  Speaker 3: to have good players. Yeah, nobody's going to coach their
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  Speaker 3: way into the playoffs anymore. Maybe that happened when I
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  Speaker 3: first started covering the league a little bit. But scouts, analytics,
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  Speaker 3: scouting everything, the size of coaching staffs now, the ability
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  Speaker 3: to evaluate the available video that you're not going to
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  Speaker 3: coach mid level talent to high level wins.
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  Speaker 6: But one little thing to Quinn Miners, how does a
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  Speaker 6: guy from Wisconsin Whitewater come in and a couple three
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  Speaker 6: years later he's he's a great draft pick? I mean
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  Speaker 6: it was a great draft pick. Behind How does a
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  Speaker 6: guy like that go to wisconsint of Whitewater of all places.
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  Speaker 3: Well, linemen, you see it a lot every You know,
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  Speaker 3: he was one of those guys at the Senior Bowl
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  Speaker 3: from the smaller school who goes down and shows and
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  Speaker 3: shows everybody. Hey, but maybe they weren't that big when
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  Speaker 3: they were high school seniors. You know, some guys especially linemen.
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  Speaker 3: You see in the draft process a lot.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: Most often the small school guys at the Senior Bowl
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  Speaker 3: of the Shrine Game are offensive linemen because they had
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  Speaker 3: the I grew, you know, four inches taller and I
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  Speaker 3: got a lot bigger in a weight room. You know,
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  Speaker 3: maybe they went to a rural school. You know, there's
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  Speaker 3: just linemen that seems to happen to a lot.
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  Speaker 5: I'm so excited about this defense, Jeff Flickweld, because they
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  Speaker 5: have all the complimentary pieces.
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  Speaker 4: Defensive line is as solid as it gets. They've got edge.
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  Speaker 5: Rushers, the linebackers have approved now with green Law, the secondary,
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  Speaker 5: you can't say enough about the secondary. I'm looking at
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  Speaker 5: Jade Baron and the first thing that came to my
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  Speaker 5: mind when I saw him out.
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  Speaker 4: He is smaller than I thought. How would they you
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  Speaker 4: him out there?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think initially it'll probably just be outside corner nickel.
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  Speaker 3: But as the season goes on, I bet we see
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  Speaker 3: him in a lot more things. He'll be in the dime.
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  Speaker 3: He can play deep safety. You know. He maybe he
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  Speaker 3: looks smaller, but he was one of the best tacklers
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  Speaker 3: on the draft board. I had a couple people call
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  Speaker 3: me before the draft just to ask me about them.
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  Speaker 3: You know where you got him? What do you think?
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  Speaker 3: And I told everybody at that time, even in March,
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  Speaker 3: I said, in all the years of this is my
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  Speaker 3: fortieth draft, all the years I've been doing this, I
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  Speaker 3: couldn't remember another guy I didn't chart with a mistackle
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  Speaker 3: and I did not really I did not have him
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  Speaker 3: for one thing, mind you of anybody. No, he is
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  Speaker 3: a modern player. This is a This is a modern safety, slash,
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  Speaker 3: nickel corner.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, so they didn't make those nose.
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  Speaker 3: I was not evaluating this kind of player in nineteen
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  Speaker 3: nine or even two thousand. This is this. He is
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  Speaker 3: the where it's going in the secondary. You can't include
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  Speaker 3: certain in the discussion because that they made one of him. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know forever, not since Rod Woodson have I seen
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  Speaker 3: a guy with that combination.
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  Speaker 1: I have a Brian Branch. He does a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of that.
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  Speaker 3: Does this is it's that's the position. Yeah, the star
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  Speaker 3: A lot of college coordinators call it the Saban especially
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  Speaker 3: call it the star position. Safety, corner, dime, linebacker, all
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  Speaker 3: in one run a four four you know, tackle, do everything?
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  Speaker 1: Uh, what do you think?
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  Speaker 4: You know?
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  Speaker 1: It's funny we were talking about how everybody's got to
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  Speaker 1: like when you're dating. People have a type. Sean Payt
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  Speaker 1: has a type for wide receiver, and everybody looks the same.
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  Speaker 1: They're all six foot three, six four, same guy.
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  Speaker 3: No, he's If you're going to be a smaller receiver
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  Speaker 3: for Sean Payton, you better show him. Yeah, a lot
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  Speaker 3: of tenacity and a lot of don't put the ball
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  Speaker 3: on the ground and all those things.
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  Speaker 1: That feels like a really crowded room. Though before they
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  Speaker 1: added some of these undrafted guys and other people to camp.
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  Speaker 3: I think that'll be the hardest spot for a surprise,
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  Speaker 3: So that's what I've told people. I think Sherfield's probably
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  Speaker 3: the last receiver who makes it because of special teams.
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  Speaker 3: I think it'll be sick. But that you know, put
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  Speaker 3: the running spot. That means probably four.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, somebody is going, yeah, have you seen you know?
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  Speaker 3: I think and again, you know, coaches love to tell
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  Speaker 3: me I'm wrong a lot, but uh, I'm hoping they
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  Speaker 3: give him the look he deserves because I think that
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  Speaker 3: is a good player. And Sean Payton always talks about
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  Speaker 3: you don't want somebody else to find out you got
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  Speaker 3: rid of a good player and I think there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of potential for that there with estimate. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I think he was unlucky, you know, made a mistay
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  Speaker 3: or whatever. Put the you know, he puts two fumbles
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  Speaker 3: on the ground early, early. And if there's one thing
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  Speaker 3: some people have a hard time forgetting, it's putting the
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  Speaker 3: ball in the ground. And this coaching staff is you know,
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  Speaker 3: they have a hard time forgiving that.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, how are you with uh? With losing things?
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  Speaker 3: Like I don't have a lot of things that That's
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  Speaker 3: how I deal with it.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, Like these classes, Jeff, these classes I've had, this
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  Speaker 6: is a world record for me.
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  Speaker 3: These are prescriptions a week and a half.
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  Speaker 6: But you've had those shades for an awfully long those
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  Speaker 6: because he's got the little V on the side.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a man of consistent.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Hello, is that just the same pair you've lost? Other
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  Speaker 6: ones are broken? Or is that this is I mean is.
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  Speaker 3: That these are these are new for me, which means
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  Speaker 3: they are only a few years old.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the same way. I don't get well, I
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  Speaker 1: lost my shades, you know, those shades that we got
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  Speaker 1: to the golf.
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  Speaker 6: You know what, I got a pair I'll give you.
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  Speaker 6: I'll give you my pair I got. I got the
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  Speaker 6: same ones I found them.
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  Speaker 4: Please, I'll bring them. I need some.
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  Speaker 1: You got it, Jeff. Last couple of questions for you.
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  Speaker 4: I have some old shoes if you want them.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, No, that's okay. You're a shoe guy.
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  Speaker 4: I got a key. It's a key.
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  Speaker 1: Last couple of things.
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  Speaker 3: About donut holes going around the video.
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  Speaker 4: It's how Quinn Miners got so big.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: You shoul transfer to Scotts and Whitewater. What about around
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  Speaker 1: the league? You know, it's funny we look at the
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: offensive skill position talent and we say, okay, there's not
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: like names that really pop. It doesn't feel like the
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: AFC West has a lot of those in general, Like
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: there's some guys that you think, Okay, brock Bowers is
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: a really good tied end and obviously Travis Kelcey. But
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  Speaker 1: if I'm just looking wide receiver running back, who do
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  Speaker 1: you think are the elites in this division?
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: That's a good question.
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  Speaker 4: Gent What about Hampton?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, what's his story. I did not have him
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: rated as highly as where they took him, but he
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: was the big back in this draft. He was the
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  Speaker 3: guy that you know Hardball was going to Harball was
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: going to like that back.
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  Speaker 1: But really doesn't seem like there's too many.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: I'll give you a good clue to that him. And
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: how often did people say, oh, the Patriots don't have
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: elite wide receipt who's throwing the ball? Yeah, I mean,
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: if the better you are throwing the ball, the more
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: you're gonna make roster building concessions more about how a
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: player fits rather than what's his ultimate talent level. And
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: that's that's always the question of scouting. What's the most
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  Speaker 3: important the fit or the talent. You know, you get both,
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  Speaker 3: that's the ultimate That's but I think I think you
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: can say that because the quarterbacks, sure, you know you
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: have the man. Herbert's really good. You know, Bo is accurate.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: So when you have an accurate quarterback, it's.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: But you think about white outs. It's it's what it's
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: that's from Courtland, It's where she Rice, It's Maconkey.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: That's where these teams have made their decisions. You know,
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: they've got elite quarterbacks. You know, Bowers is an elite
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: tight end. Kelsey has been an elite tight end for
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: a long time. So that's that's where the talent. You know,
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: they chosen that those schemes to be that.
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: Fitf do you do you keep tabs on the rest
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: of the AFC West with your your fellow colleagues, I mean,
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: do you do you know how those camps are going?
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: And that's what I get.
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: I've tried not to worry too much about the rest
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: of the division, but I'm trying to think of where
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: the Broncos are going to slot in and from what.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: I red a cat fight, I mean, you got yeah,
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: it seems like.
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: Everybody's kind of happy, even Raiders people are kind of
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: happy outside that stupid Wilkins discration distraction. Everybody's kind of
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: happy with how things are going with their team.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Well, I think that the thing in this division now,
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: like you know, Broncos make the playoffs last year because
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Sean runs rough shot over the NFC South right right,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: you know, overmatched, coached better than they did. You know whatever,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: You're not gonna have that in the AFC West. You've
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: got four coaches who all know what they're doing. They've
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: all been to the Super Bowl. You know you're You're
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: not gonna get a cheap afternoon in the AFC West.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: I think that's to me is what strikes I mean,
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: and I think Pete Carroll going to the Raiders when
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: John Fox got here. If even if their talent levels
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: the same, they'll play better than the than the team
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: that did the the year before.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Thirty seconds, Maybe you can't answer.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: I can't answer anything in thirty seconds.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: You know, the hell's going on with Christian Wilkins stuff
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: in Vegas?
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Pretty nutty?
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: What is it about?
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: I agree, I'm not sure I've seen a grievance for
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: a kiss on the head.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there feels like, well, who was it? Was it?
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: That looks to me like you know, his and his
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: representatives are gonna chance. You can't release an injured player. Man,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: that's just the bottom line. Yeah, they're going to say
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: you released an injured player.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Anyway, Okay, the next time we have we have young.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: We don't have time.
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: I want to talk Hall of Fame this upcoming year
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: in Mike Shanahan because I know you.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: Have a big hand in hold and doesn't get in
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: this upcoming season. My goodness.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: Then waiting they put the coaches back in the in
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: the deeper pool. That's the problem. Well, and we think
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: some of us argued for that, but anyway, it's.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: Like in a hand it. Look at us.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, look at the entire resume from day one,
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: including the two Super Bowls.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: But look at.
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: Everything else, you know, the coordinator, the coordinator jobs, and
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: everything else he did. For crying out loud, this guy's
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: damn Jeff, he was damn good.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I got a pretty good up close look
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: at him.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: Because I guess you did.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: I like, you know, I appreciate you telling.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: You, but it just you know me, you're talking to
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: the guy who is advocating.
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  Speaker 6: I get frustrated, Jeff. There, I get frustrated. He needs
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: to be in like that.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm in the grocery store now I
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: get I get hit up.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: You might not know about this. John Elway was a
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: hell of a player.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Now you know. I'm gonna I'm gonna write that down.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: That's why I carry my notepad because I write stuff down.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Like sometimes Vick will tell me stuff and then I
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: write it down.
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  Speaker 1: Underrated, I think, Yeah, Jeff.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: I appreciate a chance. As they used to say.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly right, Jeff Lakewell at ESPN dot com. Always appreciate it.
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