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821. Intentional Leadership: How Clarity, Communication & Responsible Influence Build Trust | Kurt Luidhardt · Daily Influence

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  [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Daily Influence, where we explore the power of positive influence in business, leadership, and everyday life.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host Greg Klenow.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Today's guest is Kurt Ludhart, founder of Liberty Spenders, and President of the Prosper Group.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: a marketing and communications firm known for helping organizations and leaders connect authentically with people and drive meaningful action.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Curtis spent years helping businesses, nonprofits and political organizations communicate with clarity, purpose, and impact.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What makes this conversation especially valuable is Kurt's perspective on influence, not just as persuasion, but as responsibility.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll explore leadership, intentional communication, resilience, and how small daily actions shape trust, culture, and long-term success.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If you're a business owner, leader, marketer, or someone trying to create more meaningful impact in your work and relationships, this conversation will challenge you to think differently about the influence you carry every day.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Kurt, welcome to Daily Influence.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm glad to be here.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for the invite.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You're welcome.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And currently you've worked in environments where communication can shape decisions, movements and outcomes in a very real way.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to start at the beginning.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What experiences or influences early in your life helps shape the way you think about leadership, persuasion and the responsibility that comes with influencing others?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: elementary school, a middle school as a kid.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Being in a small school, and we had all the typical clicks that every school has right back in the 80s, you know, they were the hoods, you know, people who were who were the leather jackets were the hoods, you know, and then you had the jocks, the guys who were good at sports or the girls that were good at sports or cheerleaders,
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  [SPEAKER_02]: popular people and not so popular people.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And I didn't fit real neatly into a group.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And I recognized early on that there was a capacity that I had to come with a attitude that transcended all of this drama.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And that it wasn't so much about how people perceived me.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But what I was bringing to the environment, I can still remember a couple of times deciding to be the leader of all the misfits when we were playing football at recess and just we're gonna have a good attitude about it.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna have fun and I'm not gonna, you know, be upset that Rocky, the best football player on the team, or on the class, wasn't on my team.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And so I think I learned early on,
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  [SPEAKER_02]: that I had the capacity to bring something positive to a situation that so much of what our life experience was was not so much about the circumstances around us, but what we brought to the table and how we were imagining it.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Conversely, I had times when I was, you know, in a bad attitude about all of this, and it's amazing how what I brought to the table inevitably
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  [SPEAKER_02]: flavor the result, right?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And so the first thing I think of, I remember learning some basic lessons like that all the way back at the school yard.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, that's a great story and very observant of you as a young gentleman.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, one thing we talk about often on daily influence is that every leader is influencing people.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Whether they realize that or not, you've built a career around communication and strategy.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What's the difference between intentional influence and accidental influence and how can leaders become more aware of the impact their words and actions have on teams, customers and communities?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: you know, that same experience I had growing up of learning how to impact others around me was a blessing and a curse at the same time because I picked up some skills even at a young age that kind of put me in a more of a leadership role and
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And I remember even in high school, I was the guy that the teachers, you know, you should be leading this, you should be in this, you know, extracurricular activity ought to be doing these things.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And so after a while, you start to develop this opinion that, well, I'm just good at this, right.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: or being incredibly intentional about how I was leading other people, and now that I've run a business for 20 years, you start to appreciate the fact that if I'm not intentional about what we're communicating, if we're not really ensuring that we're creating clarity,
• 6:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: and being very consistent in our communication, that I think at the top of the total poll that everything is clear and everybody knows what they're supposed to be doing and everyone's on the same page.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But as you talk to others, you find that you're not.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: In a few things that I think leaders should get in the habit of doing, you know, my wife and I run our business together.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes we do what we call skip level meetings.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So instead of just meeting with my direct reports,
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, our system's going to select some people at random, and we're going to have a meeting.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes that creates panic in the employees like, why is the boss boss want to speak to me?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But you start to find out what are people's lived experiences.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You're not just talking to the same people who know you better, but the ones who maybe know you more as the guy on the Zoom call, but not somebody who's hung out and had lunch, dinner, coffee.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And as I get older, the more I realize, and this is the toughest thing, and just to set out loud as a good lesson for myself, much more time has to be reserved to prepare for leadership than actually do it.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And that feels so counterintuitive, even on a daily basis is somebody's learned that lesson before, because there always feels like so much that has to be done.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: and taking a step back and having some time to critically think about how things are going to recognize where there's communication breakdowns to think about your business and how to do it better to have a casual conversation.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: All of that feels like a waste of time.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't fit into that to do bucket, but when you don't do it, it's sort of like the guy who doesn't exercise and then you wonder why you're winded when you play basketball.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Same concept, but it's such a hard thing to do as a hard driving on to where to say I got a step back.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I got to spend some time reading and learning.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I got to spend some time thinking, even that part, the reading and learning and educating part is a little easier because you feel like you're doing something, like I'm going to go to a conference.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: What's harder and harder for me is quiet time, you know, protecting forward a six hours a week to deliberately sit down and say, how can I be better?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Where am I failing?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: where am I, where can I make my efficiency 5% better?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Or how can I communicate more clearly?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So that habit, I think, is essential as well.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Any tricks I'm building that habit into your life?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I have it blocked off on my calendar.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Every Monday morning and Friday morning.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, the temptation, of course, is, well, I got an emergency meeting at an important client.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That's the only time that hasn't already been booked up.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So blocking an office key and then staying ruthlessly committed to it, even if it feels like, well, this is, this other thing is more important.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing, this, in most cases, that urgent meeting is not as important as you think it is.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It can wait till the following week.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So blocking off that time is key and then having sort of a habit, I'm the big fan, I don't think I have it
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  [SPEAKER_02]: call the road less stupid.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And in that book, the road less stupid, he gives you thinking exercises as a business owner that you could take.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You read a chapter of his book, and then he asks a bunch of insightful questions.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So a chapter might be about how you need to be thinking more clearly about human resources and then he'll have questions.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And it creates props for thinking time.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Otherwise, I feel like you just sort of sit there and iterate on stuff you've already or rumenate about things that are already on your radar versus having somebody come into your world and challenge you on something that might not currently be on your radar.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm a big fan of his book and any of his teachings, by the way, Keith Cunningham.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Great.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll put that in the show notes too.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and it's a fun entertaining book and he's a great speaker.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: If you can catch him is YouTube videos.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He's now suit a retired.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So he doesn't speak as much as he is to but a great speaker.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for sharing that Kurt.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Leadership gets tested most during difficult seasons.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Not easy ones.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Can you share a moment where a campaign, a business decision, or leadership challenge did not go as planned and what the experience taught you about accountability, adaptability, or staying grounded under pressure?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, in 20 years of business, we've had several years that weren't very financially
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  [SPEAKER_02]: The mistake generally is, and this I would pull from Keith cutting him to, you know, entrepreneurs tend to be overly optimistic.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We tend to think that everything's going to keep going up into the right in perpetuity.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Or we tend to have a ton of unchallenged assumptions.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And almost always in those moments, I was suffering from unchallenged assumptions and overly optimistic.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just waiting around as a marketing agency for that new big client that's gonna solve everything.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And so less than number one for people or something to think about is to be constantly challenging your assumptions.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Now,
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  [SPEAKER_02]: from a leadership perspective, that's kind of the quiet time moment I talked about.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You need to be challenging your assumptions in the dark of the morning and making sure as a leader that you're not just falling into old habits.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And accepting answers that you might have had to the same question a year ago, because things change.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: People who,
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  [SPEAKER_02]: employees who are super essential a year previous particularly in today's environment with implementation of AI might not be or their job descriptions need to change.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So you need to challenge your assumptions.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: The other thing I think leaders have made mistakes when I have seen this happen.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: is there's they want to be too careful about what they say to employees now I'm not suggesting some I've seen some people to the opposite they word vomit without any plan right and and you get yourself in trouble, but what I see it's more common is people want to kind of spin the bad news.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: and.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Or just leave a bunch of stuff out or not address it all together in my experience in political world that also in running my own business, your employees imagine something ten times worse than what's really happening.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And so, transparency is almost always the right solution when we let somebody go I always tell more than probably some people would.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You gotta be careful, your human resources people will talk you out of transparency, you can't let them run your business, because if you fire somebody for something like maybe you just don't need them anymore, if you don't give a full and complete answer, people assume they stole from the company.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That's just always been my experience.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: People assume the worst or they, if you're having financial trouble and you're not sharing about it, you have a, you're 10% off, they think we're 50% off, right?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: When we're oftentimes, when people are in a moment a challenge of business, we want to hide and not share.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's a mistake.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Share more, be more transparent, be more vulnerable.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That doesn't mean inconsistent and unplanned communication because subtle differences in what you say and what your fellow leadership team members will say will feel like giant gaps.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: but hiding is almost always gonna make the problem worse.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of our listeners and our business owners and leaders who know communication matters, but they struggle with consistency and clarity.
• 14:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Can you share a few practical habits or frameworks leaders can use to communicate more effectively and build trust over time instead of just reacting in the moment?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So, and again, this is something we follow to have it from, I know a lot of us hate meetings.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But effective, regular staff meetings is essential for this because it creates the floor for you to address something with the team proactive.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And we get a lot of resistance, people say, all that meeting was a waste.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And so you've got to be intentional about, okay, what are we gonna do at this meeting?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: How are we gonna keep it short?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But we do twice a month now at various moments that times we've done once a week.
• 15:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: I probably prefer once a week or staffs a little smaller now so we can get away with a little less frequency.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But I find if they don't see my face on the regular.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And there's not a check-in point that we lose some of that clarity and consistency and I don't have a place to make an announcement or a regular moment to do it.
• 15:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Also, if you think, well, we only need to do this once a month.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: What ends up happening is employees XYZ are unable to make the August meeting.
• 15:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so the higher frequency is helpful.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So, and it's sort of a trap for you.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You're forced to come up with something to talk about and to say.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And so I think those kinds of habits are essential.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's helpful.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And great leaders do more than sharing information.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They inspire people to make meaningful action.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: When you're helping organizations or leaders create momentum,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What are some key ingredients that move people from passive observers to engage supporters or contributors?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So the number one most important thing is clarity and clear communication, and it's also the hardest thing.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I've been married to my wife for 22 years.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We love each other.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We have problems with clarity and communication.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: When I say, I'll get to this right away.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And she says, we'll get to this right away.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: What's the difference?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: My definition of right away might be, it'll be this afternoon.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Hers might be, you should stop what you're doing right now and do it.
• 17:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's right away.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And so it's so difficult to establish clarity.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, everybody understands exactly what is being said and exactly what you mean by it.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And without it, everything else goes completely.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: If people are confused, they get seized up
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That is particularly true of our younger workforce.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I find my older ex-generation folks, they're more likely to ask questions, they're more likely to kind of push through and make some leeway for just taking orders.
• 17:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: But our younger generation folks, if they're confused, they get locked up, they don't know what to do.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So clarity is absolute number one.
• 17:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I learned this in politics too.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That's why the best politicians give simple messages.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Whether you like them or not, Donald Trump's always been good at this.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Make America great again, build the wall.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Very simple, concise, kind of, he's very good at that.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's something everybody can understand.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's very memorable.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: is so key, and then the thing that you can add onto it once you have that kind of clarity is a good story.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what gets people to buy into the vision.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We have values here.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: How can we relate stories of employees incorporating our values?
• 18:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're at impact-minded organization.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: One thing I have to constantly remind myself of is my employees need to hear the stories that the impact we're creating.
• 18:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: And we can't hide that from them.
• 18:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: They get so caught up in their work that they don't note any of this stuff.
• 18:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: And we need to really be proactive and making sure that they hear those stories that are clients who have a transformational moment because of what we do that they know about.
• 18:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Even though the clients are not working up.
• 18:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so stories would be the next thing, and that's why all of our good communicators are great storytellers.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It did the story go a long way.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So clarity and storytelling so key.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's so key in political marketing, which is our background, but also just dealing with your employees.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And that is great advice.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And as we grow, our definition of success often changes.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If you could sit down with your younger self at the beginning of your career, what advice would you give about leadership, ambition, and the kind of influence that truly lasts?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm a, I have been in, you know, somebody who is a very passionate believer.
• 19:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a person of faith and as a Christian, I'm familiar with the Ten Commandment, that's right.
• 19:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: And one of the, you'll second commandment is thou shalt not create any graven image, right, a funny place familiar.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And I've always interpreted that as,
• 20:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't have a gold statue anywhere that I'm bowing down to, so I'm obedient to this second commitment to not have idols in my life.
• 20:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: As I've gotten older, I've realized that so much of our Christian life, but also I think life in general is about killing the idols in our life that come to take our joy away.
• 20:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: And what I would tell you and yourself about success is success can very easily become an idol in your life.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Something that becomes more important than God in your life, more important than faith, more important in your family and your kids.
• 20:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's no different than putting a gold statue in the basement and bowing before it every day.
• 20:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: One day that gold statue comes for its pound of flesh.
• 20:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: And one day, success comes for its pound of flesh as well.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And I would tell my younger self, spotting that early is so key.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not just that, it's different for everybody.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Some people would success, some people would spare some people to their kids, but something that they put in a position in their life that is more important than God.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And you can see the symptoms of it when you're all the sun and willing to make a compromise.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: in some area of integrity to achieve that thing.
• 21:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's what you know, okay.
• 21:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so afraid of not being a successful as I wanna be that I will need to tell a lie to a client or misrepresent something financially.
• 21:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I saw those things kind of hitting in my life that came in when my wife and I had kids later in life and then everything changed overnight.
• 21:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: I used to have all this freedom to work all this time and all the sudden I've got kids and they demand my attention and that God in the way of me being more successful with my own mind and it created resentment like I'm upset at my kids kids who aren't we don't know what they're doing because I can't
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  [SPEAKER_02]: agenda and my schedule.
• 22:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: And she's not asking my permission.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so I think that's one thing I'll tell my younger self.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: The other thing I've learned recently, which I think we've got out of habit of is thinking generationally.
• 22:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're so, um, intent on accumulating wealth in our lifetime.
• 22:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: And we've been taught some things about, well, don't pass on to your kids because
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But there is a way to build true generational success and your family and financial utility.
• 22:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: And if you can think that way, you make less stupid decisions.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Because most of our stupid business decisions and stupid investment decisions come because we feel like we need to make a giant return overnight because we need to have $70 million in the bank to do X, Y, or Z.
• 23:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: And if we say, you know what, I'm here, not just to build for myself, but for my kids and my green kids, it just makes those decisions better.
• 23:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for sharing that.
• 23:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I like to leave listeners with something they can carry into their own lives immediately.
• 23:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: What's one intentional action?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: People can take this week to become a more positive and responsible influence whether it's in their business, their family or their community.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And why does that action matter more than people realize?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it's funny as a guy in politics.
• 23:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would disconnect from the most,
• 23:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: the just deflating thing in life today is watching too much of news.
• 23:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Disconnecting from, uh, from constantly following all the drama happening in the political space during the sports world, whatever you're obsessed about, getting off of social media feeds, which fill us with all the reasons we should be mad at our neighbors.
• 24:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: is probably the number one most important thing to do.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I have a device called the brick, and I can tap myself onto it, and it turns off all my social media.
• 24:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I have to go back to to the same device to turn it back on on my phone, and I put it in my kitchen on the ovens, kind of it's there, and I can only do it a certain amount of times
• 24:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: And just keep you off of it, get that particularly at night when you're trying to you're laying away that sort of deem scrolling.
• 24:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that would be the number one thing, get off of all of that stuff.
• 24:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: It does such a, it's such a bad diet for your heart.
• 25:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: In, in that conversely, you know, my morning, my morning reading time Bible study time is so important for
• 25:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: that same is giving a good diet of good stuff to my heart.
• 25:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Tim Keller, who's a great preacher, who's now passed away, died of cancer a couple of years ago.
• 25:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: He used to be pastor of a church in New York City.
• 25:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: He used to call it preaching to your heart.
• 25:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you read scripture and you preach to your heart, right?
• 25:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: You hear good, you hear and read good things.
• 25:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: That gets into your brain, but you have to change your heart, just so you're the kind of person who immediately defaults to something more positive
• 25:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: which takes this sort of like, you know, like preaching to your heart kind of not just in your head.
• 25:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I read this book and it's impacted my thoughts, but it's also changed my heart.
• 25:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: heard thank you for such a thoughtful and practical conversation.
• 26:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: One of the biggest takeaways from this discussion is that influences not just about visibility or communication, it's about responsibility, consistency, and the choices we make every single day.
• 26:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: If our listeners want to get in touch with you, what is the best way to do so?
• 26:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm great via LinkedIn.
• 26:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can find Kurt Luthart there.
• 26:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you can spell my last name, which is L-U-I-D-H-A-R-D-T. And then you can find a little bit more about what we do at Libertiespenders.com.
• 26:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Great.
• 26:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll put that information in the show notes for our listeners.
• 26:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Kurt, thank you so much for joining us and sharing your stories and advice.
• 26:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so grateful for you.
• 26:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, thank you.
• 26:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: And to everyone listening, remember this, your influence is already impacting someone.
• 26:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: The real question is whether you're using it intentionally.
• 26:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Take one action this week that creates clarity, encouragement or opportunity for someone else.
• 26:55
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• 26:58
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• 27:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Remember, small actions create big impact, keep showing up, leading and growing one day to time.
• 27:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Until next time, stay inspired and keep having a positive, responsible, influence.
• 27:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Bye-bye!