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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone, This is Dianasmissing with UK Column. I'm really
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  Speaker 1: happy to be here today speaking with Donald Boyd. He's
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  Speaker 1: a member of the Scottish Christian Party and I look
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  Speaker 1: forward to a great discussion with him today about the
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  Speaker 1: upcoming elections in May twenty twenty six up in Scotland
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  Speaker 1: and a range of topics. So Donald, welcome to UK Column.
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  Speaker 1: It's really great to have you here, and thank you
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  Speaker 1: for getting in touch with me. If you wouldn't mind
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  Speaker 1: just maybe introducing a little bit about yourself and about
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  Speaker 1: the party and kind of just let the viewers get
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  Speaker 1: to know you a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks very much for the injurnet, Diane A. When I
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  Speaker 2: emailed you, I didn't expect this to be the outcome,
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  Speaker 2: but it's a happy outcome and hopefully we'll hopefully a
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  Speaker 2: profitable time for myself. You've obviously called me on because
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  Speaker 2: of the political side of things, but this is the
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  Speaker 2: kin of the end of my political career. I've been
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  Speaker 2: if I have a several political professional careers. I began
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  Speaker 2: as a medical doctor in multiple specialties. Then I went
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  Speaker 2: into the Christian ministry, so I'm a theologian and historian
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  Speaker 2: A wee bit of an author, have got a blog
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  Speaker 2: and where I put out my thoughts in the world,
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  Speaker 2: particularly probably the Christian aspect on the matters in public life.
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  Speaker 2: I'm also the leader of the Scottish Christian Party, a
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  Speaker 2: proclaiming Christ's lordship, and this is a Scottish end of
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  Speaker 2: the Christian Party, just as your listeners may not be
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  Speaker 2: familiar with things in Scotland, but in Scotland the Torius
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  Speaker 2: call themselves the Scottish Toties, Labor called themselves Scottish Labor,
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  Speaker 2: but they are of course the same party, and that's
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  Speaker 2: what we are. We are the Christian Party in Scotland,
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  Speaker 2: England and Wales. I'm the leader of the Scottish Christian
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  Speaker 2: Party and I'm also the nominating officer for the whole party.
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  Speaker 2: So that's a wee bit about me that covers quite
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  Speaker 2: a number of decades, and it's in the latter decade
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  Speaker 2: and a half that I've been involved in the political
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  Speaker 2: side of things a bit, possibly like UK column, which
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  Speaker 2: has just been resulted as a result of just seeing
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  Speaker 2: how bad things are in the country. And this is
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  Speaker 2: why we are. People say we don't need a Christian Party,
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  Speaker 2: but actually yes, I agree with you. We need six
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  Speaker 2: Christian parties, but in the meantime they've got one who
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you want me to go on
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  Speaker 2: to the political side at this point, although that's why
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  Speaker 2: we're here. Maybe when people say they don't want a
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  Speaker 2: Christianity and politics don't mix, what they really mean is
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  Speaker 2: just they want Christianity just to be silent. They don't
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  Speaker 2: want to have a Christian voice out there in the
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  Speaker 2: public arena, a reminding people who ought to be done.
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  Speaker 2: And people often say, well, what do you stand for?
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  Speaker 2: There's two ways that you can describe it quite quickly
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  Speaker 2: what do we stand for? One is a topical way
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  Speaker 2: and another is a visual one. I'll give you the
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  Speaker 2: topic one first and then you'll follow the visual one.
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  Speaker 2: The topical one is we just say, well, we stand
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  Speaker 2: for what every other political party stands for. That's good,
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  Speaker 2: but we take away all the young Christian things, so
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  Speaker 2: that you know, the Tories have got good things, but
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  Speaker 2: they've also got Unchristian things, which we strip out. The
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  Speaker 2: Labor Party's got some good things, but then we strip
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  Speaker 2: out the un Christian things, and so on with the SHNP,
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  Speaker 2: lived Dems and Greens, the whole gamut, and so we've
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  Speaker 2: got manifesto was all the way for the European level
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  Speaker 2: when we were involved in Europe, down to local policy level.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what do you stand for. We'll just think
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  Speaker 2: of all the good Christian things that you might find
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  Speaker 2: in the other parties. Well, that's what we stand for now.
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  Speaker 2: The visual way. When I've been on hustings and trying
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  Speaker 2: to explain things quickly, you know, the different parties have
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  Speaker 2: got their own colors. That Tories have got blue, Labor's
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  Speaker 2: got red, the lib Dems have got yellow, there's the
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  Speaker 2: Greens and so on and so forth. So what we
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  Speaker 2: do is we we will put all the colors together
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  Speaker 2: into a royal purple, and that's the colors of the
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  Speaker 2: Christian Party. The Reform Party have our turquoise, but we
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  Speaker 2: are royal purple, putting it all together because we're standing
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  Speaker 2: for Christian approach. And some people trying to mock things,
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  Speaker 2: they say, well, what's the Christian policy on bananas? That
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  Speaker 2: type of that type of silly comment is thrown around
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  Speaker 2: the place. We just say no, no, that they're listen
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  Speaker 2: to Christian policy in bananas. But we do want Christians
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  Speaker 2: telling us how we should organize these things. And that's
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  Speaker 2: what we're getting at. We're wanting Christians doing it. And
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  Speaker 2: you may say, well there's Christians and other parties, yes,
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  Speaker 2: but they're inhibited by their party managers. They're not allowed
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  Speaker 2: to say what they want to say. I could illustrate
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  Speaker 2: that from the Scottish scene, which your audience may not
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  Speaker 2: be so familiar with, but you may have heard that
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  Speaker 2: the Deputy First Minister of Scotland is an evangelical Christian
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  Speaker 2: and she obviously has got Christian principles. But when she
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  Speaker 2: I could quote directly some of the things on there
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  Speaker 2: was a question time up here in Scotland and when
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  Speaker 2: she was asked about abortion in Northern Ireland. You may
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  Speaker 2: remember a few years ago and she said, well, we're Scottish,
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  Speaker 2: we're SNP. We thinks we should look after Scottish afairs,
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  Speaker 2: so we think Northern Ireland people should look after Northern
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  Speaker 2: Ireland affairs. And so you know she wouldn't want to
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  Speaker 2: interfere with Northern Ireland. Said nothing on abortion, and as
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  Speaker 2: an example of how the party managers silenced their voice.
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  Speaker 2: And she's now now going she will not be standing
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  Speaker 2: in the next election because she's got family commitments. She's
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  Speaker 2: got a young child and to be feared to her.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's that's a good reason, but it's quite difficult
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  Speaker 2: to being the top. The other example is is Tim Farron.
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  Speaker 3: He was the leader of the Dems and they.
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  Speaker 2: Attacked him because he he didn't know what to say
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  Speaker 2: about abortion, and so the media kept at him and
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  Speaker 2: kept atim, get at until he had to fall on
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  Speaker 2: his sword. And he then said it's not possible to
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  Speaker 2: be the leader of a political party in Britain and
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  Speaker 2: be a Christian act of Christian Well, he obviously hadn't
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  Speaker 2: heard about the Christian Party, and maybe we don't blame
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  Speaker 2: him for that, but sorry, there is a Christian party
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  Speaker 2: and we do promote Christian values and the people can
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  Speaker 2: find that out. I think I might have spoken too long, Diane.
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  Speaker 2: I have a habit of going on and on. But
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  Speaker 2: maybe no, no, no, that's great.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's great to hear from you, and we're certainly
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  Speaker 1: here to hear from you today. It is interesting what
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  Speaker 1: you've said about about Christianity and the political parties and
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  Speaker 1: political actions, because one of the things that I've been
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  Speaker 1: thinking about for the last few years actually is that
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the positions on controversial issues don't seem
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  Speaker 1: to follow any sort of religious values whatsoever, whether it's
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  Speaker 1: Christianity or Islam, or you know, any any anybody who
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  Speaker 1: has religious beliefs. For example, one topic that you may
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  Speaker 1: know that my viewers will know that I've covered quite
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  Speaker 1: extensively is transgenderism. And for people who believe, for example,
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  Speaker 1: that a man can't become a woman or vice versa,
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  Speaker 1: you could say that that is a Christian belief, that
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  Speaker 1: that is a religious, mortual, spiritual belief in some way,
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  Speaker 1: to believe that that God has given us who we
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  Speaker 1: are supposed to be, and that that's that's who we
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  Speaker 1: are and we can't change that because that's that's, you know,
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  Speaker 1: sort of let's say, a god given trait that we
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  Speaker 1: are born a man or a woman, and you can't
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  Speaker 1: change that because to do that is to go against
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  Speaker 1: who we are meant to be here and beyond. And
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  Speaker 1: for anybody who says they are a Christian to say
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  Speaker 1: that we can do such a thing, for example, I
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  Speaker 1: believe is against what we could say are Christian values.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel about that, but it
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  Speaker 1: seems as though all of the parties, even if they
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  Speaker 1: say that they are of whatever religious belief are going
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  Speaker 1: along with this because it's the current thing, and it's
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  Speaker 1: you know, going along with this agenda. But those are
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  Speaker 1: that's I think that's similar to abortion potentially in a
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  Speaker 1: way that it's going against you know, let's say, what
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  Speaker 1: God wants us to live or you know, living in
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  Speaker 1: that sort of spiritual religious place that some people do
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  Speaker 1: follow as you do, as I do. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how you feel about that. If that makes any sense.
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  Speaker 2: At all, it makes a lot of sense, Dan, And
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  Speaker 2: almost everything you said you began were saying that the
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  Speaker 2: current policies don't follow any particular religion. Well, what they
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  Speaker 2: are following is secularism. And secularism is a religion of source.
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  Speaker 2: It depends on your definition of religion. But there's got
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  Speaker 2: all the tenets of religion, you know, heresies, which funts
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  Speaker 2: and is got all the tenants And what were they
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  Speaker 2: talking about? Here are worldviews. So you've got a secular worldview,
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  Speaker 2: you've got a Christian worldview, you've got an Islamic worldview.
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  Speaker 2: And these are global, they're not confined to any country.
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  Speaker 2: And therefore what we are seeing around the world is
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  Speaker 2: a warfare, a cultural warfare, and sometimes a physical warfare
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  Speaker 2: between these different worldviews, and the difficulty is how are
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  Speaker 2: we going to get to overlap in any particular place.
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  Speaker 2: And so at that point we probably have to look
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  Speaker 2: a wee bit at not only but a wee bit
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  Speaker 2: of history and see, well, you know.
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  Speaker 3: What caused all these wars.
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  Speaker 2: And the Bible itself tells you that the warfare begins
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  Speaker 2: in the heart. Where do all these where do all
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  Speaker 2: these things come from? They come from your heart. And
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  Speaker 2: that's where Christianity puts forward. It's not simply a worldview
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  Speaker 2: of how to live a good life. Christianity says, you've
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  Speaker 2: got to start at the heart. And that's why Jesus
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  Speaker 2: says you must be born again. What he's getting at
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  Speaker 2: there is and it's a change of heart, and a
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  Speaker 2: change of heart by the Holy Spirit, so that people
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  Speaker 2: will learn the love of God, that experience the love
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  Speaker 2: of God, that want to share the love of God,
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  Speaker 2: and that then comes out at the personal level, the
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  Speaker 2: domestic level, the local level, the national level, and hopefully
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  Speaker 2: the international level. But they haven't learned even at the
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  Speaker 2: international level. They've got all their peace conferences left, right
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  Speaker 2: and center, and they have had for many years, but
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  Speaker 2: in none of these peace conferences do they listen to
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  Speaker 2: the Prince of peace, the one who's telling them how
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  Speaker 2: to how to bring peace. They will quote Mahattanmagandhi, they
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  Speaker 2: will quote Martin Luther King, they will quote Nelson Dundella.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever heard them quote Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 4: That's true. You know, that's kind of the thing where
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  Speaker 4: if you I think you believe.
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  Speaker 1: You saw my interview with Bonnie Wallace that aired a
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  Speaker 1: few weeks ago, where she's the Christian in Texas who's
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  Speaker 1: been fighting the children's books, the evil material that's going
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  Speaker 1: into children's books, and she she did a very good
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  Speaker 1: job of quoting Scripture of saying, you know, it is
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  Speaker 1: our it is our duty to speak out when we
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  Speaker 1: see evil taking place.
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  Speaker 4: Essentially, I'm sure you can quote it better than I.
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  Speaker 1: Can, coming from the ministry, but that's basically what that
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  Speaker 1: is our duty, as you know, citizens of the world.
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  Speaker 1: Even I would say that because I believe that what
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  Speaker 1: we're in is a spiritual battle. And Brian Gerrish, the
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  Speaker 1: founder of U K. Colum, says the same thing all
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  Speaker 1: the time. And so I don't see how we can
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  Speaker 1: how we can do spiritual warfare without coming from that
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  Speaker 1: place of wherever, wherever, that that spiritual grounding is, that
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  Speaker 1: that hopefully resides in those of us who are are
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  Speaker 1: willing to take on this battle.
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  Speaker 2: Is listened to Villians a recent expert of how UK
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  Speaker 2: column began, and I was very interested in it, and
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  Speaker 2: I listened to he gave it at some conference earlier
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  Speaker 2: this year or last year, and it was it was,
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  Speaker 2: it was very interesting and I agree entirely. It's a
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  Speaker 2: spiritual battle from almost from beginning to end. And the
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  Speaker 2: thing that I noticed about UK column, I don't agree
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  Speaker 2: with all the all the views that you find in
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  Speaker 2: the UK column, but what the what I trying to
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  Speaker 2: work out, what what keep pop pools all together? In
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  Speaker 2: the short time that I've been watching the UK Column. Incidentally,
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  Speaker 2: the history of coming to UK column is probably like
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  Speaker 2: most of your viewers.
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  Speaker 3: It begins by.
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  Speaker 2: Watching the BBC and I used to watch BBC News
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  Speaker 2: Night and then of course the BBC had recent changes,
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  Speaker 2: you know, so then we moved on to gb I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know about UK column, and they moved on to
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  Speaker 2: GB News.
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  Speaker 3: Which was in you kid in the block as they say.
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  Speaker 2: And the GB News went on for a while and
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  Speaker 2: they had its own in fighting and all its problems,
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  Speaker 2: which I've done. I've got a blog post at Donald
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  Speaker 2: Boyd dot org. But they have done a blog posts
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  Speaker 2: on what's happened to gb News and so on and
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  Speaker 2: so forth. And then I was told about UK column
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  Speaker 2: and so I come on to UK column, and of
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  Speaker 2: course there were things I agreed with, things I didn't
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  Speaker 2: agree with. I don't think that they're doing all your
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  Speaker 2: contributors agree amongst themselves, but so what was united at all?
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  Speaker 2: And I think that Brian's story was useful for showing
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  Speaker 2: that because it began, as far as I can say,
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  Speaker 2: and it seems to continue that what is doing is
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  Speaker 2: exposing corruption wherever we find things going wrong, I mean
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  Speaker 2: your own.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't watched everything.
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  Speaker 2: We're doing there, and obviously because I'm relatively new, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm very supportive of what you've done with the school
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  Speaker 2: here in Scotland and just listen to the shocking results,
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  Speaker 2: not surprising, but the shocking results that come out of that.
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  Speaker 2: But he's been you know, it's exposing the things that
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  Speaker 2: are going wrong and calling people to account. And I
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  Speaker 2: think correct me if I'm wrong, because I haven't actually
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  Speaker 2: found anything that says what exactly is UK call Um doing.
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  Speaker 2: But I would if I was asked, I would say, well,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's bringing there is a light as the best
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  Speaker 2: best disinfect and or to use the biblical quotation, whatsoever
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  Speaker 2: makes manifest is light. In other words, you're exposing and
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  Speaker 2: showing things. And so I've almost forgotten what your question was,
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  Speaker 2: but the oh yes, oh yes, you mentioned but the
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  Speaker 2: transgender thing, that's what it all began. And I was
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  Speaker 2: just talking about general world views and then you come
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  Speaker 2: come specifically to the transgender and the children, which is
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  Speaker 2: a thing which you and I was.
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  Speaker 3: Very innest to hear.
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  Speaker 2: Brian Gerrish has been in this for a long long time,
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  Speaker 2: so have I been in for quite a long time.
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  Speaker 2: Our party in Scotland, at the Scottish end of it,
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  Speaker 2: we began about two thousand and six, just after a
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  Speaker 2: UK column. We always didn't know each other at that time,
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  Speaker 2: and I was introduced at that point quite surprised because
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know about it. To what's called forced adoption.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you know that terminology, but taking
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  Speaker 2: children away from say single mothers, or taking children away
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  Speaker 2: from a drug addict and such like things, and that
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  Speaker 2: has taken fifteen years or more to become public, public
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  Speaker 2: publicized and sufficiently well known that there's been apologies made
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  Speaker 2: about the whole thing in the Australian government and then
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  Speaker 2: in Hollywood just recently from one of our active members
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  Speaker 2: was involved in that.
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  Speaker 3: And one of the.
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  Speaker 2: Last things that Nikola Sturgeon did when she stood down
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  Speaker 2: as First Minister of Scotland was to issue an apology
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  Speaker 2: to all these mothers and children who had had forced adoption.
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  Speaker 2: But our children, for some reason, are now the focus
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  Speaker 2: of well, i'll see the criminal fraternity, because your readers
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  Speaker 2: may not, your listeners and audience may not be familiar
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  Speaker 2: with the fact that you know that in America you've
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  Speaker 2: got the drug trade coming from South America to the
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  Speaker 2: rest of the world. You've got the arms trade, You've
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  Speaker 2: got that, but you've now got the sex trafficking trade,
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  Speaker 2: which is even more lucrative, coming from South America even
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  Speaker 2: into North America. This has been on right now. I
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  Speaker 2: mean I can't just remember the name of that. There
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  Speaker 2: are there are films out there explaining all these things,
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  Speaker 2: and it's a it's a shocking stage. So we are
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  Speaker 2: in a pretty un Christian where we're constitutionally a Christian country,
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  Speaker 2: but we're in an un Christian environment and it's being
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  Speaker 2: deliberately knocked down. When you and the UK column point
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  Speaker 2: out to all the international movements that are going on
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  Speaker 2: to try to take control of individual countries, I mean
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  Speaker 2: that's that's just part of the same. Maybe again for
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  Speaker 2: the the way, what what what is our attitude towards
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  Speaker 2: all these international in another U N W H O
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  Speaker 2: and all the Well, the thing is these people are
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  Speaker 2: trying to take control of our country and they are
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  Speaker 2: not elected. We can't do anything about it. And I
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  Speaker 2: think from the political point of view, trying to explain
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  Speaker 2: things to people in the doorstate, you just point out
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  Speaker 2: it's not it's not just that you're as you would
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  Speaker 2: say in England, Little England or so who don't have
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  Speaker 2: that concept in Scotland. But you know what I mean
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  Speaker 2: by you know, you're just looking after yourself and you
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  Speaker 2: don't care about anybody else. It's got nothing to do
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  Speaker 2: with that. It's got accountability. How are you going to
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  Speaker 2: how are these institutions accountable to our own national Parliament
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  Speaker 2: and the thing of the Guard of the who recently
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  Speaker 2: more or less bypassed our parliament if the.
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  Speaker 3: Leader of the World Health.
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  Speaker 2: Organization decideses a new pandemic, he's going to take control
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  Speaker 2: even in this country. This is this is this is
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  Speaker 2: getting as a speechless, I'm losing words to describe what
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  Speaker 2: is going on.
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  Speaker 1: If you continue to watch, you k column as our
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  Speaker 1: members who have watched.
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  Speaker 4: For a long time will know.
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  Speaker 1: The more that you see how the system works, the
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  Speaker 1: more that you will understand.
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  Speaker 4: What's going on.
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  Speaker 1: And when you talk about these globalist organizations and their
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  Speaker 1: desire for control, it really is about them.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I always say a lot of us say divide and
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: conquer essentially, right, It's the same with saying, well there's
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: if there's a say there's a left and a right. Politically,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: that's a divide and conquered rule. If you talk about
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Israel versus Iran, divide and conquer. And then again, we're
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: using religion potentially as an excuse to go in and
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: bomb other countries and kill people, which of course is
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: the complete opposite of what religion should be about. And
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: so they're using all of these tools to take those
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: control over and you have to wonder, you know, what
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: is it that is promoting these things? And those are
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: the questions that we always get in response to, well,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: why is this happening?
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: Why are they doing this? And it's hard for me to.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Not go back to the spiritual aspect of it. You know,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: is it satanic? Is it evil? Is there's very dark
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: forces at play, and those of us who are in
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: the light, so to speak, and want to stay there.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: And want to promote that out to the world.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I think it is also a form of protection as well,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: so that those of us who are attempting to expose things,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: which is bringing the light into the situation, I think
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: very figuratively and very literally, then that is potentially a
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: form of protection.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: That's not to say that it.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Is easy all the time, and I think part of
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: one of well, I think one of the best strinks
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: of UK column is that we don't all agree and
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: that our listeners don't all agree. But the idea of
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: having a free speech platform, a free speech media organization
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: that is member driven, that is the true value of it,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: is that people can express opinions, they can think about things.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: You don't expect anybody to just automatically believe anything that
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: we say.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: The point is, you, you know, we.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Provide all of our sources for everything that we report,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: and you can go look for yourself and see that no,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: we're not making this up.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: This is what the government is doing. This is what the.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: UN is trying to push onto the world, and it's
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: all out there for people to see. It's just a
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: question of whether they're ready to see it and whether
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: they want to actually come to terms with what's really happening.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: And it is so dark at times that it is
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: hard and it is very heavy.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: But I think that.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: What Brian tries to push forwards to everyone is that
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: exposing it and bringing it out into the light is
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: the way to fight it.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: If that makes any sense.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, let's see. That's great. You've broke a few lines
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: of thought there, Diane. And the first thing you said, no,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: what why is it happening? I think, and you've talked
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: with the dark forces that there are two things there.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: There's one that there's the physical side and then there's
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: the spiritual side. And what I do is I go
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: back to Eisenhower just as he was retiring. You probably
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: know the quotation where he warns the people about the
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: military industrial complex, and of course that has just grown
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: and grown and grown. So there's financial incentives. There's all
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: sorts of ungodly. Not that finance is wrong, but there
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: are ungodly voters involved in that military industrial complex that's
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: going on, and he warned about it if we go
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: to the dark forces. It's the same Eisenher who when
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: the concentration camps were being discovered at the end of
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: the Second World War, he insisted on this being filmed
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: for future generations because he says, people will hardly believe
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: that this could happen. And of course we've got a
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Holocaust deniers to the hour, but he wanted it for film,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: and that's of course showing the spiritual, physical, and spiritually
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: dark side. And you're certainly correct as in dark sources
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: when you said about making and the UK call make
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: the sources available. That's absolutely important and it's one of
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: the reasons if I was asked to try to explain
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: why you look at them and follow any particular interview
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: on the UK Call, what I really like is all
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: these sources you have underneath that if people want to
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: check it out. And that's so important because Christianity is
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: based upon truth. It proclaims the truth. Now we're living
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: in an age where people are and they don't know
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: what to believe. Everything's been thrown at them from different sides, so.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: They don't know what to believe.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: And let's remember, belief is central to Christianity. In a sense,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: we should be experts on the subject of beliefs, the
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: abc of Christianity. What must I do to be saved?
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Said the Philippian jailer to the apostle Paul, and he said,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: It's central to the whole thing. And belief is based
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: upon the truth. You cannot believe something you don't think
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: is true. It is not possible, so that, if you
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: think about it, belief is actually a personal judgment that
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: the thing that you're believing is true. But if you
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: don't know if it's true, how are you going to
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: believe it. Jesus himself challenged his opponents. He said, I've
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: told you the truth. Why do you not believe me?
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Because of course they didn't think it was the truth.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: So that getting the sources and getting the information and
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: listening to both sides. Indeed, that's what a judge has
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: to do. Jesus is who made me a judge. Over
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: you when they wanted them to enter into a domestic dispute.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: You can't form a judgment until you've heard both sides
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: of the argument. And so you've got this phrase which
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: used to hear about the reserving judgment. People don't reserve
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: judgment anymore. They did something on social media in there
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: immediately commenting on it. But we need to hear all
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: sides and then form a judgment, and then when we
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: judge what the truth is, then we will automatically believe
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: it because we think it's true. And so that's why
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: you come back to having your sources and listening and
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: hearing both sides of the argument and so on and
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: so forth, instead of just hearing one side and oh, yes, indeed,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: it will sound terrible the one side that you hear.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: But everybody's going to put forward.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: A report.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Whatever the report is, that's to their own favor. Another
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: thing I'm working on, Dane. I'm hoping to publish something
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: this year. And one of the important things to notice
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: is you often hear people talking about, oh, that's not
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: the whole truth all, as I have truth at all.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: The thing that have truths have truth. Cirrils are worse
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: than lies, because a lie, of course, is something that
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: you've already formed a judgment. It's not true. You've already
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: formed a judgment. It's not true. But I have truth.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: What it does is it uses the truth to convince
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: the person, and then the lie is slipped in along
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: with it. So it's like, you know, the bait on
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: the end of the hook. You've gone for the good
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: bits the bait, but then there was a hook conderneath it.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: So I have truth.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: And this is why it's so important, so important to
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: get both sides of the argument and to really analyze something.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: You can't just form an opinion and a knee jerk reaction.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: So I have truth by definition is going to have
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: something in it that sounds good.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: And remember when I listened to politics and heard all
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: these people talking.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: At the beginning, he said, you agreed with this person,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: and then long came his opponent. You certainly discovers agreeing
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: with this person also, and you thought, what's going on?
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: What's the difference here? And of course what they're doing
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: they're putting forward the bit that they think their audience
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: will believe, which is true, and then they slip in
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: the untruth, which you know the uninitiated or the uninformed
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: might not notice.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: And that's that's why Jesus was so he was.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: He went on about this, the falsehoods and etcetera, etcetera.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: The Bible's full of this topic. Where people don't read
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: their Bible, of course, and they don't know that. But
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: it's important for us to really so when we hear
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: something new, what you do is you park at the
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: back of your mind. You bear it in mind. You
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: don't necessarily believe, do you get more information and then
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: eventually you might see, well, I've got enough information now
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: to form an opinion, and so now I know I
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: can believe whatever it is talking about. I don't know
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: if that makes sense, Dan, but that's the way I
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: tried to explain it.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: It does absolutely, And you might or might not know that.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: I am a librarian by profession originally. And yeah, and
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: so you know when I started watching UK Column, it
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: was during the twenty twenty era, which is when a
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: lot of people actually started tuning into UK Column because
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: they were looking for the truth of what was going
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: on behind what happened in twenty twenty and why they
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: locked us up and didn't allow us to leave the
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: house and churches were closed as I'm sure there are
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: so many things that were shut down that were so
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: essential to humanity and to our connection to each other
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: and to connections to everything. I think that was part
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: of the plan, was to disconnect us from everything essentially.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: But that was when I started. Yeah, so when I
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: started watching it.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: That you said.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: A lot of people is the COVID pandemic and lockdown.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: That started opening up people's eyes. And indeed, that's a
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: sort of biblical expression, to open the eyes to see
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: what's going on. And if you remember, let's go back
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: twenty or so years and you would get these surveys
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: in the newspaper about who's the most trusted profession in
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: the land, and journalists and politicians were at the bottom,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: which is why Christians think they should keep out of politics.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: They don't want to be associated with all that corruption.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: But that's of course why the Christian Party exists to
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: have something different. But you had the tier and at
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: the top, at the top of the list of the
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: most trusted professions would be ministers and doctors, but the
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: pandemic has completely messed that up, and the credibility of
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: the medical profession is seriously under threat now because people
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: don't know can I believe my doctor? And when it
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: was it today I saw a tweet saying that I
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: might be in a UK comment.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: So I don't know.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: That there's this that Ursilla von Delion or Vondelaiers some
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: people call, he has agreed with Bill Gates to have
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: five hundred thousand vaccinations of little children. And I suppose people,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I say, well, as a medical doctor, what's my view
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: and all that. Well, I've followed from a very early
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: stage the thing, and I could see there was something
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: going on. But very quickly I noticed that this was
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: indeed out of the WU lab, and that the genetics
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: was was not natural. And I saw all these things,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: but you couldn't publish that. If you put that in
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: your blog, you would your blog would be pulled down.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: So so, like most people, when the vaccine sorry quote
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: vaccine unquote a team available with I thought, well, this
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: is wonderful because the technology of the mRNA stuff and
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: the technology is certainly very interesting, and it was being
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: used in cancer for things like that, you know, the
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: very dangerous skin cancer melanoma. They were having great results
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: with that. But that's dealing with cancer cells. But this
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: thing had been untested, as we know, and we were
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: meant to just give uninformant consent. But when it came around,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: I just assumed, as most people did, that the medics
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: knew what they were doing. And so, of course many
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: of my colleagues did not take the vaccine that I
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: took first one. But of course all the time there
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: was information being around, and I was learning all sorts
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: of things that were wrong, and I could go on
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: a great length on the subject, but it's just this
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: is the personal journey. So by the time they got
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: to the second one, I said, and stop a second,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: what do you mean vaccines?
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Are you know? You need one?
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: A couple of months later, and so I reluctantly, at
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: the timing different, I reluctantly took the second one. But
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: that was that was the end of it. I took
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: no more after that, because by then I had enough
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: information to know that this was this was this was
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: poor stuff.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: And the.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: I wrote to the Oxford the Astrosenica people, and I'll say, plainly,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, is plainly what the question The question I
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: put to them was, I know about what you're doing
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: with your MRND virus vaccine. I said, what I want
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: to know is how does the body get rid of this?
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: How does it leave the body? All were told the
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: mRNA is not a very stable thing. It all collapses
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: and falls apart. I didn't ask that. I said, how
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: does the body get rid of it? We now know
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: several years later the body doesn't get rid of it.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Several months later the Oxford Astrogeneica thing closed down. I
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: don't actually know the reason why they stopped, but I
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: put that question to them. I also wrote to the
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: person in the an article is either in the Lanswert
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: of the BMG, the British Medical Journal for those who
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: don't know these abbreviations, are asking.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: The same question.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: The answer I got back is that this was an epidemiologist,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: that's a person who studies the movement disease and no
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: actually medical as such. And he said a very good question.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: He said, you need to put this to to the
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: to the relevant person. So that person couldn't answer the dizer.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: So I went to a local hospital and I put
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: it there to one of their infectior's diseases person. And
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: I didn't get an answer, at least the satisfactory answer.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: But what I did learn at the local level, but
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: some of the alternative medications you probably know about them,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: particularly I've maked in that. I was in contact with
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Pierre Corey over there in America over this. I pointed
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: out to him that after he'd given his testimony at
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: the US A Congress or whatever committee, it was about
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: their regime that they were using over the the COVID
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: and getting success. And I put that, I put a
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: link to that onto Wikipedia. That link that I put
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: on Wikipedia was taken down within five minutes. Within five minutes,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: you know, you know you can time things, you can
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: go back in Wikipedia.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: So I gave.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Screenshots of this Pierre Corey. I said, this is what
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: and of course it was taken down as you know.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Point of view.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Sorry, sorry, this was testimony before the US Congress or
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: committee wherever it was. This was taken down. So I
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: sent it so amy only back with one word, capital
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: letters wo W exclamation mark. So that's what you were
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: up against in the very middle of everything. And this
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: has destroyers too strong a word, but it's certainly for
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: particular particular individuals, has destroyed the credibility of the medical profession.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: And I could give you more as you probably expected,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: and I give you lots of examples of not just COVID,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: but how there is an article in the British Medical
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Journal talking about how what they call evidence based medicine,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: that was a thing that come in in the early
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: two hundreds, that you now to have an evidence base
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: for everything you were doing, and pointing out how all
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: this was just being manipulated as well, not by the
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: military industrial complex, but you might call it the pharmaceutical
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: medical complex or whatever phrase you.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Want to use.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: But you know, money speaks, and that's why you know this.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: This comes back to the Christianity. That's why you need
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: what I call a Christian a Christian conscience. You need
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: people in these boardrooms, in these committee rooms who have
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: got a Christian conscience and who will speak up when
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: something is dodgy. And I remember when I was preaching
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: in the nineteen nineties, that's a long time ago. There's
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: two things I could think about there, but stick sticking
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: to this one. I pointed out that what's going to
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: happen to this country when the last Christian retires from
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: the boardrooms of our companies up and down this country.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: What's going to happen when that Christian conscience disappears. Now
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: they're free to do what they want to do. The
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: other thing, I said, Diane in the middle of nineteen nineties,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: as I said then, I said, we're only halfway through
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: the sexual Revolution. And I said, by the way, I
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: don't know what the next half is going to be. Well,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: here we are through the thirty years later, and we're
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: certainly seeing where it's going. Well, no, we don't know
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: where it's going. But you know what I mean. I mean,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: in those days, I was just postulating because I had
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: written various reports and various things, and I was just postulating.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: And the whole subject of the family, you know, in
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: vitro fertilization is the only Sorry, let me start, let
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: me turn it around. I don't know, Diane, if I'm
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: rabbiting on too much. Interrupt me if you want me to.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: But they when you had there's so many things one
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: could talk about. But you know, when you redefine what
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: a family is, you know, then all the previous legislation
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: suddenly suddenly changes because you would redefined what a family is.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: So the European Convention of Human Rights says you've got
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: a right to a family. But if you're then change
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: the definition of a fact that means you've got a
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: right to have a family and to have children, which
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: means you've got a right to have in vitro fertilization
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: if you want to, or you can be pushed up
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: the list for adoption, and so on and so forth.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Now I'm not going to say whether the things are
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: bad or differently. I'm just saying that you've changed everything
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: just in the stroke of a pen, and the people
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: don't realize these unintended consequences, and so that way I
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: was saying in the middle of the nineteen the nineteen nineties,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: you know, we're already halfway through this, We're halfway through
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: the sexual revolution, and I don't know what the other
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: half is going to be like.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, and I think it's interesting what you
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: were saying as well about the doctors having influencer, not
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: having influence over kind of what happens to the health
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: of their patients, which I think ties into this as well,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: because you know, if you go back to the we'll
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: call them the COVID injections, and if people had actually
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: spoken to their doctors, maybe they would have been able
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: to have a more honest conversation if the doctors felt
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: that they were allowed to do so, because it seemed
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: to me at the time that it was really just
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: the government. It was, you know, Hancock or how's the
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: use of for Borce Johnson, Nicholas Sturgeon telling everyone to
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: go get these injections when they're not medical professionals. Whereas
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: I actually had a very honest GP at the time,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: and I went to him and I said, do I
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: need this?
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: And he said, no, well that's rare, Diane, as you
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: probably very well away, that's rare.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I was doing my
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: own research. I probably knew more than the GP did.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: And I'll tell you something else. Ivermectin is one of
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: the safest drugs in the world. I don't know, maybe
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: your audience don't know that, but it was. It's used
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: for in Africa because they've got so many different infections,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: et cetera. Just to put it in a general sense,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: is used everywhere. But when I asked my own local
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: GP practice, could I just have a stock of a
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: box of ivor meketin, they got furious with me that
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: I was asking for something that was out of the
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: normal way of doing things, and even the reaction, even
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: the reaction is enough to make you suspicious. Sorry, I
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: just asked a question, you know, and I had that
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: several things. I could change the topic at this point
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: and say, well, I asked another GP about just a
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: broad spectrum antibiotic for my wife, and his answer to
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: that was that it was dangerous. Sorry, we give antibiotics
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: all the time to people, but this is dangerous. And
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: on the subject of dangerous, actually.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: We were also a.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Major religion magazine in Scotland several years ago, the Scottish
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Christian Party. We were told that a Christian party was dangerous.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: So I've been called dangerous several times that I could
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: give you another example, but I won't keep multiplying them
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: that it's dangerous. Of course, I got no offer of
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: a right of reply in this magazine. The same magazine
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: which two years ago, when we were fighting an election
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: in the Outer Isles, in the Western Isles is repeated
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: the same sort of idea that you don't want a
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Christian party, and the Western Isles is almost dominated by
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: this particular church. It's not the Church of Scotland, it's
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: a free Church of Scotland, which is very strong in
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: the Western Isles. And so in their magazine in the
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: very month of the election, they were saying saying to
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: this effect, so you know you don't with friends like that,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: who needs enemies? And so the Christian Party has got
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: an uphill battle. But we carry on just pointing out
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: that the come back to what they said a while ago,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: what will happen when the Christian voice retires from the
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: boardrooms and the various places up and down, up and
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: down the country. Well, you know you're beginning to discover
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: what happens. Christian prayer, care, Christian compassion, Christian conscience. That
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: does not mean that people don't have conscience. It does
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: not mean that they don't have compassion, don't have care.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, sorry, but Christian care is different, Christian
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: compassion is different. It comes from a different motive and
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: the Christian conscience. You've probably had your your audience will
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: have heard the phrase that what makes religious people think
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: they've got to monopoly on morality? Well, the answer is,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: I've never met a Christian person yet whoever said that
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: we had a monopoly on morality. All we're saying is
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: that our morality is different from yours, And that's a
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: bit similar to what I'm saying. Our Christian care or
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Christian compassion or Christian conscience is different from yours. And
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: by the way, our Christian politics is different from their
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: politics because of all the unbound Christian things they put
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: into it. So I don't know, Diane that hopefully that's
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: giving a sort of impression to your listeners as to
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: where we're coming from.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that that's helpful. You know. I think
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: if we go back.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: To let's say, the COVID era and what happened when
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: all of the churches closed, which I mentioned earlier, But
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: what was interesting to me was remembering that the churches
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: and the masques and all of the other religious organizations
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: and their physical homes in Scotland, because I was still
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: living in Scotland at the time, they were all closed
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: for worship, but they were open for testing and vaccination centers,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: which I thought was quite interesting that we couldn't go
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: in and go to a service on Sunday morning, but
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: we could go in there to get vaccinated. Just a
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: final thought on that was I remember going back into
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: a parish church in the Church of Scotland, when all
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: of the whole thing was apparently ending, slowing down, and
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: then there was still a restriction on singing hymns because
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: apparently singing hymns would make you sick, and they sort
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: of said, well, we'll build up to our hymn singing gradually.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Eventually we'll bring the choir back. For now, we'll just
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: listen to a recording of a hymn. We won't be
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: singing because that's not safe. And it was interesting for
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: me because to me, the musical part of a service
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: is always very spiritual for me, and I always find
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: it quite moving. So it felt like something was really
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: missing for me personally in the service when we weren't
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: allowed to see or listen to the choir. So it
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: just kind of felt like that whole thing was continuing
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: by shutting the churches but then opening them up to
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: get your vaccinations.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: The singing is the thing.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: I was going to mention just yourself, and you said,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: you're spreading all this stuff around the place.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: But on the subject of churches.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Being closed, maybe people don't know this because it was
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: all it happens in such a brief period of time.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: But there was challenge there was a challenge to the
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: churches being closed, which actually reached the Court of Session.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: And I won't go through the arguments. All I'm saying
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: is the churches won the argument, and it was agreed
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: that the state could not shut down the churches if
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: the churches wanted to stay open. That was agreed. I
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: might say, well, why didn't it happen? Why didn't we
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: know about it? Because it was the same week in
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: which the churches were going to be allowed to open anyway,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: and so the force of that, the force of that
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: argument was lost on the general public. Of course it
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: was reported, but the force was because the churches were
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: opening anyway. I picked up a word from you there, Diane.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: I'm going to use. You slipped back into saying that
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: the churches were open for the vaccines, but earlier on
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: you used the word the injection. And I think I'm
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: going to work on that, and I think instead of
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: calling it a vaccine, I'm just going to call it
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: the COVID injection. I think that's probably a bit more accurate.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: I don't even know if the word COVID's accurate, but
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean now, it's it's not a vaccine.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: In the normal sense the term.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: There's two things that I would like your audience to
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: make the distinction that I at least I have in
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: my mind. Anyway, the technology of messenger RNA stuff is
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: actually very I mean, I'm not a lad. I agree
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: with all the research that people are doing. What's happened
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: here is well, there's lots of things have happened here,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: but this was not properly research. They did not have
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: proper consent. They didn't even try to get proper consent.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: They indemnified the government, indemnified the pharmaceutical companies so they
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: could produce as much of the stuff as they wanted
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: to and do what they liked with it, and they
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: make lots of money out of them. But I think,
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: to be fair, they thought they were helping people and
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: they trying to sort out their own problems. So I'm
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: not against medical advances and the correct use of these things. So,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: as I said, the mr NY stuff is a huge advance,
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: and the technique done. Blog posts on this and the
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: the what they call gene editing and all these things
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: where you've got Huntingdon's career and all these dangerous malformations
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: in a genetic level which is not the same as
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: abortion at all. It's a completely different thing. These are
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: these things are showing themselves to be successful. But remember
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: we talk about the half truth, the success of these things,
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: it's being used to pull in the other thing. And
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: people if they don't notice the distinction between these things,
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, I I there's so many things to say,
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: but I just wanted to get that across that there's
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: a distinction between looking at and making use of proper
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: medical advance And then, as you know, the use of
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: the abuse of a thing needs to needs to be
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: distinguished in all situations. You can use a knife for
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: a good thing or for a bad thing.
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. And you know, I think the importance
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: of sources, which ties.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Into this as well as what we were saying earlier,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: is so important, and the quality of the sources as well,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: which is why you know, if we think about deciding
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: to put something into your body, who is a better source?
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: What would be you as a medical doctor rather than
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: Matt Hancock.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Or someone else who really doesn't know what you know,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: what they're actually talking about in their area.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: The avery's doctor is busy and probably did not have
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: the real time to look into things and it was
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: depending just like me at the beginning. Well, surely they
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: know what they're talking about, and the answer is no,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: they don't. And that's why the credibility of the medical
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: fation is seriously under threat now, complaining of people questioning everything. Well,
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: I've got good reason to question. The problem is you've
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: got an answer, surely, you know, if it's also easy,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: as they try to make out, that you should be
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: able to give me an answer to my simple question.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: And if you can't give me an answer, then it's
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: not such a simple question. And we'll wait, we'll hold
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: five until we get an answer.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Well, and you know, with the internet as well, you know,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: people go to all kinds of places to find answers
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: for medical problems, for making their own decisions. And you know,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: it gives people a lot more power maybe than they
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: used to have because all of these things are available.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: But the question is the quality of the sources and
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: what are they telling them to do? And as some
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: of this actually beneficial or is it going to harm
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: them worse? And it should always be about risking benefit.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not a medical doctor, but risking benefit seems to
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: be a very important idea and to have that information about,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: you know, if I need a particular trait or have
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: a certain condition. Just like every medication has side effects,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: so one thing can make something better, but it also
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: might make something worse. And that's where I feel like
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: we need to have those conversations with the people who
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: are qualified to do so to make those decisions for ourselves.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: And that's what I think what was missing in twenty
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: twenty one. When they really started rolling them out in
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, everyone needs it, no questions asked. If
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: you don't get it, you're an anti vaxxer and you're
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: a mean, awful, terrible person if you don't get it.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: And that was the message coming from the governments, which
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: was to me, you know, absolutely disgusting because that's not
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: allowing you to have those conversations with your doctor to
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: make those decisions to look at the evidence. And that
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: is one place where UK Column was certainly far ahead of.
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: The curve at the time.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: And I at that time, I was still just a
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: listener like you before I worked for UK Column, but
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: they were the ones showing the MHR yellow cards and saying,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: here's all the reports that are coming in through the
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: yellow card system.
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: Mike Robinson and Brian.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Carrish they had their own the Yellow Card database where
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: you could search the Yellow Card address reactions to the injections,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: and that was obviously a very important piece of information
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: that the MHRA and the government and the BBC and
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: all the rest of them were certainly shutting down and
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: you couldn't access it, and that was obviously heavily censored.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: So that did not allow people to make decisions about
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: what they were going to put into their bodies, or
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: even allow the doctors to be correctly informed to help
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: their patients make decisions. And I think that that denying
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: of that access to information was just absolutely, absolutely ridiculous.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: You said, you know, there's two things that followed off
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: on You talked about risk and benefit. That's the same
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: thing as informed consent. You know, the doctor tells you
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: what are going to do here, there is city 's
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: the benefits, but they couldn't form consent, was of course
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: just ignored. You didn't need to get it. You just
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: recommended that you would get it. In other words, trust me,
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: trust me, I'm a doctor.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: The second thing is I found quite interesting because I
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: haven't heard it before. Dane you said that when you
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: were a listener, the UK column was reporting on the
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Yellow Card system. Now I did not know that. Obviously
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: I wasn't watching the UK Call that didn't even know
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: about it at that time. But I'd have found that
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: very interesting to have discovered the UK column was actually
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: reporting on what was happening in a Yellow card system
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: for those your audience benefit. That's the system where people
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: can volunteer, can volunteer of the side effects and the
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: effects of any medicine and it just gets recorded on
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: what is it called the Yellow card system is what
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: they want. So that's interesting. I wonder. I don't think
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: it would have stopped me. I mean, I really didn't
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: want to take the second vaccine because I saw no reason.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: They hadn't given me any They had given no reason.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: So the first one was just they told you know,
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: this is where you're good, and all sort of stuff
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: and get on with it. The second and they didn't
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: even attempt to give you any reason, and there was
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: no reason given. And I thought to myself, well, you know,
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: and this is I've heard many people you probably come
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: across so many people who went along the same journey.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: But then I mean, I think I don't know if
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: they're up at five, six or seven now. And incidentally,
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: I did listen to a whole series of learnt, a
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: series of an immunologist in Australia, all these things of
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: course on YouTube, and he went through the whole immun
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: and then gave me an update on modern immunology. And
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: you know, he was basically saying, you know, but the
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: type of you know how if you're driving a car,
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: there's an optimum spe bead for driving your car. You know,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: if you above sixty miles an hour, it goes down.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: But you've got the same sort of thing. I'm using
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: that as a simple illustration. It's not true. It's not
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: a true reflection of if you're needing vaccines, any vaccine
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: up to five times is losing all this effect and
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: in actual fact the body then this is an immunoledged
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: professor of immunologists saying that the body then gets acclimatized
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: to the fact that along comes it's vaccine for the
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: fifth time, you know, and it doesn't have that effect
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: and it down regulates your immune system. I mean absolutely shocking.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, you say, well, who these guys listening to
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: I have quote a member of the public in the
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: sense that I'm retired from active medicine novel I'm constantly
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: telling people what to do. But if I can pick
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: these things up, why do the people in the profession
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: not know or are they not learning these things?
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Possibly they are, but some of them are too frightened
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: to speak out. And I watched just recently. I can't
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: remember the man's name, but it's more or less in
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: the front page of the UK website. There's a doctor
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: who has been completely canceled. And I heard an earlier interview,
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: then I heard a more recent Yes, yes, doctor is
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: a David Cartland. It's a shocking, shocking story. And who
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: are the losers the British public. We are the losers
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: for losing doctor Cartland. And I mean he's one of
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: many you know, as you know, there's lots and lots,
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: but this is one that your own audience can go
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: and listen to. It's it's a shocking state of affairs.
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: He judge. There's another thing.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: There's here's a bit of a crossover between this and
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: children's panels and stuff, which we've know what you're finding
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: and you've you've hinted at already with mat with Matt T.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: Handcock.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: People who are not who have not been trained to
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: be judges, are forming judgments. And that's what these people
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: were doing with doctor Cartland. They were in no position
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: to form a judgment, but they were forming judgments. And
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: the same thing happens in children's panels. We've got no
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: time to talk about that, but just in general, you've
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: got social workers. If they take a dislike to something
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: or other, they will form a judgment, and then the
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: children's panel have got nothing else to go by but
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: what they say. And it comes back to this business
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: what I said about reserving judgment. There's no reserving judgment.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: It's forming a judgment, and often a prejudicial one. And
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: again that comes back to just Christian thinking and a
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: Christian what we might call Christian training. I'm trying to
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: remember the word is just with my mind. I use
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: it all the time, just flip my mind about the
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: capacity to critique things intelligently. I just can't get the word.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: It might come back. But Jesus was into that from
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: the beginning. I mean, if you just study what he
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: has to say in his questions and answers with people
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: or more, you'll find that the Christian training should teach
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  Speaker 2: you not to be forming prejudicial opinions. You can certainly
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  Speaker 2: hold something in the back of your brain and it
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  Speaker 2: might help to influence your own personal decision or a thing,
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  Speaker 2: but you can't just form a judgment just because someone
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  Speaker 2: has told you something. I call that on a blog post.
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  Speaker 2: I've got a blog post which I call that proof
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  Speaker 2: by assertion. I've said it, so it must be true,
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  Speaker 2: and you've got to believe in. If you don't believe me,
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  Speaker 2: you're calling me a liar. I mean, it's just I
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  Speaker 2: just make a statement. There's so many examples of this.
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  Speaker 2: I've said it, so it must be true, and you
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  Speaker 2: should do it because it's true.
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  Speaker 1: And that's that's what they say about the experts saying yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the experts at the time saying, well, the experts said
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  Speaker 1: it was safe and effective, so we should all get it.
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  Speaker 1: And who are these experts and how do they know
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  Speaker 1: it's safe and effective?
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  Speaker 4: And why do we need it? Yeah, it's the.
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  Speaker 2: Kind and why don't they put their name to it
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  Speaker 2: instead of Matt Hancock's name, and et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we've got in Scotland, things are so bad
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  Speaker 2: that I don't don't know, dare if we're running out
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  Speaker 2: of time. But in Scotland the education system is now
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  Speaker 2: so bad that one of our Scottish Christian Party men,
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  Speaker 2: the chairman of our Scottish Executive, he's he's in the
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  Speaker 2: forefront of Christian education. They're starting up new schools in
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  Speaker 2: Scotland to promote Christian education, teach them, teach some Christian
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  Speaker 2: values properly in our schools, because Scotland is pretty is
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  Speaker 2: pretty poor under the current administration. And I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: try to cut my scenes.
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  Speaker 3: Sure.
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  Speaker 1: No. I always like to say that the curriculum for
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  Speaker 1: excellence is not excellent as well. That's the that's the
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  Speaker 1: you know, that's the title for the Scottish curriculum.
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  Speaker 4: But it is not excellent.
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  Speaker 1: And I do know of I do know personally of
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  Speaker 1: someone who is involved in setting up.
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  Speaker 4: Actually it's an Orthodox school in Edinburgh that.
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  Speaker 1: Has been being set up, and the idea is a
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  Speaker 1: return to Western education, to the canonical literature and teaching
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  Speaker 1: of actual subjects, of actual facts, instead of all of
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  Speaker 1: the indoctrination that's happening, you know, the climate fear and
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  Speaker 1: the you know, the sexuality education these things that don't necessarily.
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  Speaker 4: At all belong in a school. But as you said,
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  Speaker 4: we're running out of time.
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  Speaker 1: But what I do want to have just a quick
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  Speaker 1: question here that I wanted to sort of ask you
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  Speaker 1: to summarize. With the elections coming up, and one thing
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  Speaker 1: that we try to do at UK column is give
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  Speaker 1: platforms to people who are not part of what we
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  Speaker 1: call the uniparty, which is essentially you know, labor and tories.
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  Speaker 4: Where do you see things going in the.
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  Speaker 1: Scottish elections and what's happening now and how do you
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  Speaker 1: see the result coming out at the end.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the SEDB who are running the administration at the
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  Speaker 2: moment in Scotland were really on their back foot when
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  Speaker 2: over all the gender issues and falling apart and shouting
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  Speaker 2: at each other, and so they were seemed to be
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  Speaker 2: on the way down. And the people who were thought
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  Speaker 2: to benefit from that with labor. But of course labor
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  Speaker 2: have now got the problem of keere Stammer and all
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  Speaker 2: those going on with the mandels and affair at the
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  Speaker 2: moment to such an extent your English audience may be
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  Speaker 2: surprised to discover the Scottish labor leader is distancing himself
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  Speaker 2: from Kyo, Standard and Westminster, so they must have a
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  Speaker 2: hard job on the doorstep.
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  Speaker 3: The other thing that's happening is that you've now.
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  Speaker 2: Got because of the Reform UK Rising, it's a new
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  Speaker 2: force and it's it's quite untested in Scotland. We don't
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  Speaker 2: know what is going to do, but it's certainly going
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  Speaker 2: to have some impact. But the public are now beginning
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  Speaker 2: to see that you can actually break the two party system.
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  Speaker 2: Now in Scotland we've got a three party system because
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  Speaker 2: of SNP and people are becoming aware of that. So
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  Speaker 2: what you're now doing is you're getting new independent and
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  Speaker 2: new parties for Scottish independence. So instead of the SNP
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  Speaker 2: having it all their own way as really the party,
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  Speaker 2: the Greens Scottish Greens were also the same. They were
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  Speaker 2: in an alliance for a show while instead of just
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  Speaker 2: these two. But you're now getting three and four people
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  Speaker 2: in the ballot paper. So just as in the past,
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  Speaker 2: the unionist parties were split trying to get support and
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  Speaker 2: therefore the SNP came through the middle. The independence SNP
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  Speaker 2: groups they're also split, so who's going to come through
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  Speaker 2: the middle. In all this, it's really quite an intriguing scene.
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  Speaker 3: To watch.
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  Speaker 2: Of course I'm involved in it because I'm standing in
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  Speaker 2: the Highlands and Islands region, the Scottish chairman is standing
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  Speaker 2: in the Glasgow region, and we've also got someone the
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  Speaker 2: leader of the party in Wales is actually standing in Wales.
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  Speaker 2: And if people want to support or find out more
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  Speaker 2: about us, they can go to the main website, which
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  Speaker 2: is UK Christianparty dot org and you can see your manifestore,
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  Speaker 2: you can see your policies and if you really want
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  Speaker 2: to even join up there are you can the system,
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  Speaker 2: you can you can do all that through there. So
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  Speaker 2: that so between those two that's the UK Christian Party
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  Speaker 2: dot org. But there's there's also my own blog which
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  Speaker 2: I blog all the time, which is just Donald Boyd
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  Speaker 2: dot org, which does everything from science through to medicine,
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  Speaker 2: through to politics, through to all this going on. Is
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  Speaker 2: it's just a Christian a view of what's going on
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  Speaker 2: and and and applying Christian principles to public life. And
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  Speaker 2: at the international level, we've we've we've we we As
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  Speaker 2: I said, we've got manifestos covering lots lots of different things.
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  Speaker 5: Well, we always put out a short ride up with
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  Speaker 5: each of our interviews, so I'll put links to all
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  Speaker 5: of those things in the ride up, so our viewers
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  Speaker 5: can go ahead and just click on those if that's easier.
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  Speaker 5: So with that, unfortunately we do have to wrap up.
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  Speaker 5: It's been the time has gone so quickly.
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  Speaker 1: It's been so great to speak to you this morning
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  Speaker 1: about so many different things, and I really do appreciate
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  Speaker 1: your time.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure you're busy with the election coming up.
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  Speaker 1: So I always ask my guests, is there any final
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  Speaker 1: thing that you would like to say that you didn't
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  Speaker 1: have a chance to say already.
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  Speaker 2: I suppose what I want to do is, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: many of your audience will be Christians, and those who
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  Speaker 2: aren't Christians might begin to realize it's actually there's more
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  Speaker 2: to this Christianity than meets there.
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  Speaker 3: I but just to remember.
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  Speaker 2: That they I would encourage them to get to know
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  Speaker 2: Jesus better by just reading. There's only four Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke,
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  Speaker 2: and John. I mean, the Bible is a big book,
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  Speaker 2: but the four Gospels gives you the life of Jesus.
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  Speaker 2: And in actual fact, I'm told you can put the
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  Speaker 2: Gospel of Mark on the front page of a big newspaper,
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  Speaker 2: so it's not as if it's not as if it's
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  Speaker 2: a big read.
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  Speaker 3: The whole Bibles might be a big feed.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, you can learn about Jesus and learn
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  Speaker 2: what he says, and stop and look and study and
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  Speaker 2: think about what he says. He's the most influential person
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  Speaker 2: in the whole of history. There are more biographies written
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  Speaker 2: about Jesus Christ than anyone else upon the face of
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  Speaker 2: the earth, in the whole of history. And I could
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  Speaker 2: challenge your audience for who's the second what's the second
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  Speaker 2: biggest one. Well, I'll tell you the second biggest largest
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  Speaker 2: biography is the Apostle Paul. You know so, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, these are not people to be ignored, although
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  Speaker 2: international peace conferences regularly ignore them. They would feel embarrassed
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  Speaker 2: to mention the name of Jesus. Or people are embarrassed
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  Speaker 2: by the word Christian. They would rather just get the
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  Speaker 2: word Christian out of Christian party. They're embarrassed by it. Well,
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  Speaker 2: Jesus said, whoever's ashamed of me and of my words,
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  Speaker 2: I'll be ashamed of them on the day of judgment.
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  Speaker 2: Stop and think about this. This is why we need
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  Speaker 2: to read what Jesus actually says and listen to it.
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  Speaker 2: And so I would encourage him read your Bible and pray,
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  Speaker 2: of course, because you're only going to It's all about
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  Speaker 2: having a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ's I
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  Speaker 2: suppose the last important message I would finish.
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  Speaker 4: Off with, thank you very much.
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  Speaker 1: Yet, we have a range of beliefs of from UK
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  Speaker 1: Column viewers and members, and some are Christians and some
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  Speaker 1: are not. But I think that we are all united
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  Speaker 1: at least in our desire to seek the truth and
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  Speaker 1: the facts and make our decisions from there. So thank
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  Speaker 1: you once again for your time. Doctor Boyd. Really appreciate
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  Speaker 1: all of this and it's been a wonderful conversation, and
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  Speaker 1: thank you for your support of UK Column as a
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  Speaker 1: relatively new viewer.
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  Speaker 4: I hope you will continue to support.
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  Speaker 1: Us and that you can help us as well as
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: you continue to discover things on your own journey. So
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  Speaker 1: thanks again, and I hope we can continue this conversation
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  Speaker 1: as we go forward, and bless you and the work
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  Speaker 1: that you have done throughout your life and continue to do.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Jan, it's been nice to speak to you.