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“Angels from Genesis to Revelation: Their Purpose, Power & Presence Today” With Melissa Spoelstra · She Speaks Life - Christian Women, Strengthen Your Faith, Bible Study, Grow Spiritually In Christ

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  Hey friends, welcome back to the She Speaks Live podcast.
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  I am so thankful you're here listening in today.
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  I am with me author and speaker for Lifeway Ministries, Melissa
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  Spoelstra. She's written an 8 session Bible
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  study all about angels and I'm so excited to bring you her
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  biblical insight and wisdom on this fascinating topic.
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  Together, we'll explore Scripture from Genesis to
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  Revelation to learn who angels are, what they do, and what they
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  have to do with us. Melissa has such a deep passion
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  for studying God's Word. She holds a degree in Bible
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  Theology, has written numerous Bible studies, and is a regular
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  contributor to the Proverbs 31 verse 5 app.
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  I love this conversation so much, especially as we approach
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  the Christmas season when we tend to talk about angels a
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  little more. All right, if you're ready, I'm
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  ready. Here's my guest, Melissa
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  Spoelstra. Hi, Melissa.
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  Welcome to She Speaks Life. I am so excited you are here.
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  Welcome. I'm so happy to be here, excited
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  about this conversation. Yeah, this topic I absolutely am
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  so excited because we're going to be talking about angels and I
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  love angels and I know most people do and we don't hear
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  often on the topic of the message on angels.
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  And so this is going to be a fun conversation.
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  You have written A8 session Bible study called Angels
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  Finding Hope in the God who Reigns over heaven and Earth,
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  and you have published this with Lifeway.
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  You are a Lifeway speaker and I'm so excited for you to just
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  impart to us this message. I just find them angels so
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  fascinating. They're just wooman throughout
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  the Bible from Genesis to Revelation.
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  And I love hearing what the role is for us today, that they
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  weren't just in the Bible there and that was it, but that they
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  do have a role for us today. And I can't wait for us to dive
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  in further with that. And before we do, I love to ask
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  each guest before we begin, what is a Scripture verse that you
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  are currently enjoying and why? Well, I'm going to go to Psalm
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  27. It's the passage that I'm
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  currently memorizing, and it starts with the Lord is my light
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  and my salvation, of whom shall I be afraid?
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  But it's in verse 3, the verse that I'm really holding on to
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  right now. It's where David says even if I
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  am attacked, I will remain confident.
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  And in this conversation about angels, that's one of the things
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  I hear women say, oh, I don't want to study, you know,
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  supernatural beings and certainly fallen angels that are
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  demonic because what if I get attacked?
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  And I always want to remind people, if you're following
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  Jesus with a whole heart attack is just part of the deal.
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  And so studying this will only help us be not scared, but
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  prepared. And so I certainly through this
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  process there have been moments of feeling some spiritual
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  warfare, some attack. But I love how David says even
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  if I am attacked, I will remain confident, not because I know
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  anything great, but because the Lord is my light and my
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  salvation. So whom should I be afraid of?
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  Yeah, I love it. I know.
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  I think being aware of what is going on in the supernatural is
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  so important. It's how you get over fear and
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  things when you understand you know where it's coming from, the
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  root of it, and you're able to push against that and resist the
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  enemy when you're aware of what is going on in the supernatural
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  realm. And so let's just begin with
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  what inspired you to write this Bible study on angels.
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  There is nothing like it. I absolutely loved it.
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  When it came across my e-mail, I was like, Oh my gosh.
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  This is definitely something that would be fun and important,
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  essential and vital to talk about.
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  So for me, it was a couple years ago, I was at my daddy's
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  memorial service and someone made one of those offended
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  comments that is meant to be comforting but is very
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  theologically inaccurate. God needed another Angel.
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  And I remember just thinking, wait, do you think that we
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  become angels when we die? And I didn't say anything.
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  Obviously it was the time of our family's grief, but I just kept
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  thinking about it. And then I was listening to some
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  of my favorite podcasts and people were talking about the
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  supernatural, about things like the Nephilim and cosmic
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  geography. And I heard on a podcast someone
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  say this. They said God is the king of A2
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  household family angels and the supernatural and humans in the
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  natural. And I can tell you I've never
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  thought of it like that. Like, and I thought, wait, I'm
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  going to spend eternity with angels worshipping God and I
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  know almost nothing about them. I had a very weak angelology is
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  what I would say. And so I just began to study.
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  And really it was the scriptures themselves that, you know, just
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  in my daily reading, everywhere I looked, I saw angels.
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  There's over 300 mentions from Genesis to Revelation of God's,
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  and I think if God revealed that much about them, he would want
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  us to know something about them. And what I found is that angels
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  are always pointing back to the power and purposes of God.
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  It's not that we become enamored with these supernatural beings
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  that we know just get a glimpse of in Scripture, but I think the
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  the benefit in studying them, and certainly for me, and I hope
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  for anyone else who does, is that it will just give them
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  greater hope that their God is amazing.
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  He's Yahweh Sabeoth, the Lord of Heaven's armies, with millions
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  of angels at his disposal. Yeah, I like what you said
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  specifically on page 149 you said that angels are there to
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  inform and confirm the work of God.
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  And I thought that is just just sums it up right there and to
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  point people to the greatness of God also.
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  And I just that was a a paragraph that you wrote.
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  And I thought that was just so just, that's exactly it, you
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  know, summing it up with what angels do.
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  And I know we're going to go into the different kinds of
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  angels and their different roles and stuff.
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  So in your Bible study you had pointed out some misconceptions.
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  I know you just mentioned one that you know if someone dies
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  they turn into an Angel in heaven.
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  What are some other misconceptions that you have
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  seen in the modern? Day the biggest one for me is
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  that angels don't have wings. Like, I mean, look at at at the
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  holiday time, every Angel you're gonna see in the nativity plays
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  in the top of the Christmas trees just on things.
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  Are these winged? And certainly the the fat little
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  chair with wings. There's nothing that's a
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  textless doctrine. I mean, there's nothing that
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  points to that. But now there are some heavenly
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  creatures that have wings. The seraphim and the cherubim
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  are both described with wings, but the seraphim wings are
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  covered with eyes, right? So never seen that in a nativity
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  place. So I think there's a lot of
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  misconception. You know, even our our innocent
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  cute little movies at Christmas, every time a bell rings, you
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  know, another Angel gets its wings.
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  And so I think that's a misconception that I had for
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  sure, that angels mostly when they appear, appear in human
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  form to Zechariah, to married to Joseph, to Abraham.
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  That's mostly how we find them now.
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  People were scared. So many times when an Angel
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  appears, the first thing they say is do not be afraid.
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  I mean, Daniel basically passed out when an Angel, when Gabriel
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  appeared to him. So there must be something about
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  them that's heavenly. The biggest misconception for
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  me, and I think for most of us is that we are struggling with
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  an anti supernatural bias. We live kind of as though
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  there's God and there's people and we forget that there's this
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  whole other thing. There's one theologian who
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  referred to it as the excluded middle, that there's this whole
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  middle category of of warfare that's happening in the
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  heavenlies and it impacts our lives.
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  And a few times in Scripture, you see that certainly with
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  Daniel, where they're like, hey, as soon as you prayed Daniel, I
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  sent this Angel, I was coming to help you, but I was waylaid for
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  21 days because I was fighting the the spirit Prince of Persia.
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  So I think just an awareness of that is a huge misconception for
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  us because we look at everything so logically.
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  No, that's good. I mean, I just, I can't help but
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  think like this is how God operates.
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  He's operates in the supernatural.
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  God is a spirit, We're a spirit. And there's so much more going
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  on in the unseen realm than we can even wrap our minds around.
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  It's not supposed to be logical or reasoning, right?
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  So I think that's important for us to turn our attention to and
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  understand. And so that's so good that you
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  have this study for us. What were some of the surprising
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  things that you found about angels during your research with
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  the study? Lots of, lots of different
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  things. The wings thing was, was a
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  pretty big one for me. I, I was, I was as pressed at
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  that. But I, if you'd have asked me,
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  did an Angel ever pray to God? I would be like, no, we, we pray
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  to God. But actually there is an Angel
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  who prays in the book of Zechariah.
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  And this Angel prays because it's the end of the 70 years of
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  exile and God hasn't delivered his people.
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  And Daniel made that prophecy. That Angel was very aware of
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  that. And he, he prays on behalf and
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  he's like, God is, is it time to bring your people back?
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  And he, he just praised his beautiful prayer on behalf of
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  humans. And I think it's so interesting
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  that we are going to spend eternity with these creatures
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  and they seem to have a warm heart toward us.
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  What is it? The New Testament first Peter
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  says they are. They wonder at our salvation.
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  They wonder at redemption. They're the only other created
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  thing that contains personhood, that refers to themselves as I,
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  that has emotions, that has a will.
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  And definitely we're distinct from angels, but we have a lot
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  in common with them. We worship God alongside them.
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  Yeah, that's so good. Now, do you go into the
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  different roles of angels and what they have to do with us
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  today? So I I created what I call some
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  handlebars. I just took an acronym from the
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  name Angels and because, because what I really want to focus on
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  is who they are, what they do and what that has to do with
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  you, right? Like, and so, so I think what's
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  important is to go, what do we find angels doing in scripture?
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  What are their main roles? And so if it's OK, I can just
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  share. Oh, I'd love it.
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  Yeah, I'd like to dive into this because I was just in Judges and
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  I ran into an Angel that had Maura's wife.
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  It didn't even name the woman, but an Angel came to the woman
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  and said that she was going to conceive.
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  So they're everywhere. Yeah, Yeah.
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  They are bringing messages and so the A and angels is adore.
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  They adore God and we see them worshipping God from from
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  Genesis to Revelation. They are they are before God's
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  throne. They are crying holy, holy,
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  holy. And I think what that has to do
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  with you and I is that when we when we talk about God's holy
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  angels, it reminds us that God is holy and that he's worthy of
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  our worship. And we shouldn't let the angels
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  be the only ones worshipping him.
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  We should join them and worship. The end is kind of with a
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  capital because it's notify God's servants.
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  It's just like what you were talking about.
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  So in fact, their name means messenger.
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  It's Malik in the Hebrew, it's Angelos and the Greek, which is
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  where we get the word Angel. It means messenger.
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  They're bringing messages. That's what kind of makes them
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  distinct from the cherubim and the seraphim who are definitely
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  worshipping God. They're guarding, they're doing
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  some other things, but it's the the angels that come in human
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  form that are that are notifying God's servants.
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  Then G, they guard God's boundary.
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  They are in a guardian role. You see that in with the
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  cherubim right out the gate in Genesis.
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  They're guarding the way to the tree of life so that Adam and
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  Eve can't get back at that fruit that they the forbidden fruit
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  that they ate. They're also guarding God's
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  people as they're fleeing Egypt. You see Jesus saying, you know,
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  if I, if I wanted to, I could call down the angels right now
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  to protect us. And so there is this protective
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  measure, this guardian role that they have.
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  So A adore God, adore God and notify God's servants.
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  G guard God's boundaries. E everybody's, everybody's
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  favorite and they enact God's judgement.
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  And we see this a ton. I mean, let's go to Passover,
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  put some blood on the door. Why?
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  So that the Angel of death would pass over.
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  Certainly there's some Old Testament stories where we see
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  God's people up against enemies and God is a rescuer of his
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  people. He's a deliverer and he when he
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  wants to can just, he sent an 1 Angel to kill 185,000 soldiers,
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  Assyrian soldiers that were, you know, coming against God's
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  people. And this goes back to what we
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  were talking about with that anti supernatural bias.
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  You know, we stack up our pros and cons list.
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  And if, if the nation of Judah had done their pros and cons
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  list, they were going to be like, we should run like this
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  doesn't make sense. There's so many of them and
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  there's so few of us but God. But God changes everything.
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  And there he had the Angel. But I think the thing about
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  enacting God's judgment that I think is what that has to do
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  with you and I is I think about the parable that Jesus told of
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  the weed and the wheat, the weeds and the wheat.
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  And it's Jesus said, you know, the, the wheat is those, that
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  the good soil, it's the seeds. It's the true followers of the
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  Lord. And then these weeds are coming
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  and sown among the wheat. And they say, oh, should we pull
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  the weeds? And Jesus says, no, it will
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  damage the wheat. So just leave them in.
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  And at the end of the age, the angels are the harvesters.
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  They're going to come with the sickle.
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  And so there's kind of two things that I think that should
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  motivate us to do. First of all, leave the labeling
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  to the angels. Stop trying to pull the weeds.
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  You're a good person, you're a bad person.
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  You're a good person, you're a bad person.
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  That's not our job. Our job is to follow Jesus and
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  to love on everyone, even our enemies.
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  And then secondly, it should remind us that judgement is
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  coming and God will send his angels to judge the earth and
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  put the separate, the weed in the weeds.
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  And so everyone that we love, anyone that we see because we're
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  supposed to love everyone, we should be sharing with them that
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  there is a God who loved the world so much that he sent his
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  Son Jesus to die for us. That we don't have to undergo
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  the judgement to come if we have answered God's invitation to
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  repent. And so to me, the angels
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  enacting God's judgement should be a huge motivator for all of
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  us to share the gospel message. God's love, we're sinners.
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  Christ paid the penalty. We need to receive him and
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  follow him. So that's our El Angels lead
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  God's people. We see this all the time in
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  Scripture. I love there's an old show
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  called Touched by an Angel, and I'm always like, oh, people were
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  being touched by an Angel in the Bible way before that show came
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  on, right? I mean, Lot was grabbed by an
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  Angel, like let's get out of Sodom, and he's kind of dawdling
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  and the Angel literally grabs him.
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  But one of my favorite led by an Angel is Elijah.
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  He's just had a ministry high and then he has a big ministry
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  low and an Angel leads him and the Angel says you need to eat
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  food and take a nap. So I always say if an Angel
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  appeared and was going to lead me, I hope, I hope it's to to
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  take a nap and eat some food that that would be which is
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  really cool. We see it.
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  We see God an Angel LED Abraham to stop the knife from
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  sacrificing his own son, which is again a picture of Jesus.
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  So, so many examples of angels leading God's people and then
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  the S service God's agents. I hate to say it this way, but
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  it's kind of my catch all because one of my beefs in
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  reading some of the theological books on angels throughout the
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  ages is that people can get real tight in terms of like, if an
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  Angel isn't doing one of these four or five, six, whatever
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  their list of the things angels do, then it can't be an Angel.
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  Like you must be mistaken. And here's the thing, Scripture
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  tells us we can entertain angels unaware.
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  That's why we're supposed to show hospitality to everyone.
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  And I look at scripture and I'm like, angels can do anything God
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  tells them to do. If God wants them to stand in
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  the path of a donkey, they can stand in the path of a donkey.
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  There's even a joke that angels do laundry.
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  And everyone's like, where in the Bible there's this, there's
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  this passage in Zechariah where the priest Yeshua.
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  Has dirty clothes. And an Angel comes and gives him
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  clean clothes, so I don't know if he just zapped it or if he
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  did laundry or if he gave him new clothes, whatever.
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  But my point is, is that they're God's agents.
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  So an agent is someone who goes on behalf of someone else.
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  So anything God asked them to do, they can do.
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  There's really only one thing angels can't do, and that's they
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  couldn't die for our sin. And only Jesus could do that.
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  He is the stairway. The I love Jacob has in the Old
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  Testament Genesis this dream and he has this dream of a stairway
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  between heaven and earth and the angels are going up and down on
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  the stairway. It's such a interesting, you
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  know, visual picture for us. But then in John chapter 1,
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  Jesus says to his disciples, you will all see heaven open up and
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  you will see a stairway with the angels of God going up and down.
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  And he said, and I am that stairway.
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  The Son of Man is that stairway. So it is Jesus who is the
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  stairway, the bridge between the scene and the unseen, between
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  heaven and earth, between being lost and found, between darkness
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  and light. And yes, the angels go up and
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  down, but Jesus himself is that stairway.
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  That's so beautiful, so good, and such an important message.
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  I know as we get closer to Christmas, we start talking
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  about angels, angels because Angel Gabriel coming to Mary,
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  Jesus, mom and all of that. So I just love how timely the
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  study is. And do you have, I'm just
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  curious, do you have a favorite chapter of this Bible study
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  have. You maybe?
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  Gone through it. Yeah, that's hard and.
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  Maybe not. Oh, it might be this one, but.
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  Rather than a favorite chapter, I think one of my kind of
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  favorite side benefits of doing a study like this because
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  typically I write in a book of the Bible.
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  Like my last study before this was the Gospel of John and
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  before that was the book of Isaiah.
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  I normally like to camp in a book and really get to know the
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  author and God's heart and the message and what was going on in
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  history at at that time. So this was different because it
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  was tracing a theme. It's what we call biblical
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  theology where we start at the beginning.
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  And so it's this isn't organized like here's the chapter on
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  angels guarding. Here's the chapter on angels
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  notifying. It is let's start at Genesis and
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  look at Angel mentions and say, what did God reveal about
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  himself progressively over time? And we work our way in the study
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  from Genesis to Revelation. But one of the side benefits and
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  one of the favorite things for me along the way is studying
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  genre of literature. And what I mean is that like the
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  first week is angels in the beginning, it's the Pentateuch,
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  the first five books of the Bible.
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  That's a lot of narrative, that's a lot of history.
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  So fun. Then we went into the historical
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  books, you know, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, all of those.
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  Then the wisdom books, which there's a lot of poetry there,
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  there's Psalms, there's a job has a lot of supernatural
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  activity going on behind the scenes that we learn about.
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  So I think. I got to do a little teaching on
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  like when we got to the prophets.
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  Here are 5 things you should know about apocalyptic
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  literature before we dig in. Or here's when we look at a
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  parable, here's some things we need to keep in mind or poetry,
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  you know that some of this is allegory, metaphorical.
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  We need to keep our ears up. So like one of my favorite
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  things because I'm a Bible nerd is that I loved getting to teach
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  genre of literature along the way in this study.
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  And so to me, that's a a little side benefit that just really
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  needed to happen as we came along.
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  Yeah, he had a wide variety going from Genesis through
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  Revelation. Yeah, lot of terrain.
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  Lot of lot of terrain to cover. Lots of cover.
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  Yeah, I love the format. I love everything about this
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  Bible study. And I am so excited that you got
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  to share this important, vital message on angels and us, to be
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  more aware of them and their supernatural activity.
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  And before we close, I'd love for you to have an opportunity
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  to share a take away for us, something that the listener can
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  putter on or take action in. Well, I think about coming into
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  the Christmas season, you're going to see angels, you're
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  going to see them on your decor, you're going to sing about them
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  in our beautiful Christmas songs.
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  So I've just prepared 7 free devotions on Christmas Angels on
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  my website and you can just go sign up for free and put in your
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  e-mail address. And then just for the next 7
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  days you'll get delivered to your inbox.
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  A little teaching on, you know, day one.
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  I think it's that the Angel that came to Zechariah and what do we
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  learn? What is God's message for us at
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  at Christmas time, time to marry to Joseph, to the shepherds.
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  And then a little bit about spiritual warfare, because I do
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  think the holidays is a time also of spiritual warfare that
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  we want to be prepared and eyes wide open.
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  This is the time that, you know, conflicts and families happen as
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  we all get together or there's financial strain for a lot of
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  people during this time of the year.
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  And so so yeah, this is just a way to continue to dig a little
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  bit deeper into angelic activity in a biblical way.
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  That's good. And that's on your website.
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  It's on melissabolster.com. If you just click on Christmas
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  DeVos, put your e-mail in, it'll happen.
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  Yeah, so good. Well, thanks, Melissa, for
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  coming on here. It was a joy to have you.
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  Yeah. I really appreciate the
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  opportunity. Thank you so much for listening
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  today, and I trust that God has encouraged you through this
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  That's JAYME elizabeth.com. And let's connect beyond this
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  She speaks life or Facebook. Until next time, my friend, I
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  hope God reveals himself through your own life story.