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One mama, three dads, and a baby (eventually)! · Barnyard Language

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  [Hannah Jungling]: I'm sorry.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: You're fine. Jungling. J-U-M-G-G.
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  [Arlene Hunter]: Jungling.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: Yep.
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  [Arlene Hunter]: Okay got it. Today we are very excited to be talking to Hannah Jungling and
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  [Arlene Hunter]: a few guests who will be popping in and out of the interview. So currently she's
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  [Arlene Hunter]: in Georgia but we're gonna get more context on where she is and what's
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  [Arlene Hunter]: happening. So before we even get into our usual first question I'm gonna
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  [Arlene Hunter]: ask where you are and what you're up to at this very moment.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: So we're hanging out in Georgia at the university hospital waiting on a cute
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  [Hannah Jungling]: little baby to show up.
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  [Arlene Hunter]: Very exciting. So we're gonna get more info on that, but we'll start with
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  [Arlene Hunter]: our inner usual way so that people don't get confused. So we always start
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  [Arlene Hunter]: out with our first question, which is what are you growing? So we know a
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  [Arlene Hunter]: baby, but that can also cover crops, livestock, careers, businesses, all
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  [Arlene Hunter]: kinds of other stuff. So Hannah, what else are you growing?
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  [Hannah Jungling]: So we have a horse farm here in Aiken, South Carolina. And so we breed a
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  [Hannah Jungling]: few horses a year. We do a little bit of selling, a little bit of training,
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  [Hannah Jungling]: lots of showing. We also are currently growing a couple baby goats.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: And there's a bunch of turkeys in the incubator and a couple of eggs sitting
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  [Hannah Jungling]: under a hen. So we're just all sorts of things.
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  [Arlene Hunter]: That's a lot of stuff. What kinds of horses and what kinds of showing?
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  [Arlene Hunter]: I'm not a horse person, but I'm sure there are people out there who are
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  [Arlene Hunter]: curious.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: No, you're fine. So we do mostly Connemara Crosses. So they're an Irish
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  [Hannah Jungling]: bred, smaller horse. And we cross those with warm bloods and sport horses
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  [Hannah Jungling]: at home to do three day eventing and dressage is our main competing style. So
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  [Arlene Hunter]: Very
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  [Hannah Jungling]: it's a lot of
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  [Arlene Hunter]: cool.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: fun.
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  [Arlene Hunter]: Yeah. And so are the turkeys and chickens for your own use? You're selling
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  [Arlene Hunter]: them? Are you, what's?
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  [Hannah Jungling]: The turkey we normally name sometime in the summer, Thanksgiving, Christmas
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  [Hannah Jungling]: and New Year's.
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  [Arlene Hunter]: Yeah.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: And then the chickens are, we have all laying hens right now. At some
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  [Hannah Jungling]: point we'd like to get doing some meat hens. And then we just got into,
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  [Hannah Jungling]: we got two baby goats and the female will be a dairy goat and the male
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  [Hannah Jungling]: is her little companion. He loses his nut nuts here next month.
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  [Caite]: And Hannah, you have one other child, right?
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  [Hannah Jungling]: We do, we have a six year old, almost seven, Tempe.
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  [Caite]: So, I was wondering, I put this in here. I figured out that we've known each other
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  [Caite]: for 23 years.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: That's insane.
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  [Caite]: Were you younger than Tempy when we met?
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  [Hannah Jungling]: No, I probably would have been about the same age. I would probably have
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  [Hannah Jungling]: been seven or eight. So about the same age. Isn't that crazy?
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  [Caite]: For like our super scandalous moment for the week, my mom dated Hannah's dad for
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  [Caite]: a while and that's how we know each other. So Hannah, other question, are you any
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  [Caite]: taller than you were
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  [Hannah Jungling]: Nope.
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  [Caite]: at seven?
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  [Hannah Jungling]: Yeah, nope.
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  [Caite]: No, I didn't think
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  [Hannah Jungling]: It
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  [Caite]: so.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: just all stopped, Katie, I'm telling you.
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  [Caite]: You can't tell from the video, but Hannah is, I don't know, like a foot shorter
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  [Caite]: than I am.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: I barely hit five foot and all my brothers are over six. I'm not sure
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  [Hannah Jungling]: where the bullshit happened, but it did.
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  [Caite]: I think they knew that that much attitude in a bigger body would be dangerous.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: that,
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  [Caite]: So
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  [Hannah Jungling]: I'll
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  [Caite]: they,
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  [Hannah Jungling]: leave out.
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  [Caite]: you know, like a golf handicap or a racing handicap, you know, handicapper a little
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  [Caite]: for everybody's safety.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: I love it.
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  [Arlene Hunter]: So Hannah, did you grow up on a farm or do you have a background in egg?
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  [Arlene Hunter]: What's your farm story?
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  [Hannah Jungling]: We grew up in town, but I grew up on the horse like I was on the horse
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  [Hannah Jungling]: farm all the time. So I grew up at a farm out in Stone City, Iowa, that
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  [Hannah Jungling]: I was at daily, constantly. I mean, I've always been just completely horse
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  [Hannah Jungling]: obsessed. So starting the time I was about six, I was out there constantly.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: But now I
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  [Caite]: So, Hannah.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: grew up in town.
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  [Caite]: that leads in real well to how did you manage to make being a horse girl, like,
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  [Caite]: a real job? You know, for anyone else who's wondering how to make
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  [Hannah Jungling]: Oh,
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  [Caite]: this
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  [Hannah Jungling]: that's
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  [Caite]: transition.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: good. That's good. You don't make money on horses. So you make money other
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  [Hannah Jungling]: ways. So I was a massage therapist for 15 years and then I taught riding
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  [Hannah Jungling]: lessons on the side for 15 years and trained horses. And you had a great
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  [Hannah Jungling]: time doing it. And when we moved to South Carolina, we just decided we
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  [Hannah Jungling]: wanted to take a step back and have more family time. And so we built
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  [Hannah Jungling]: out our farm ourselves. And like I said, we breed a little bit on the side.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: We sell a little bit. Do a tiny bit of training, but I actually do a
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  [Hannah Jungling]: lot more braiding now So I braid horses at night for the hunter jumper
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  [Hannah Jungling]: shows which is extraordinarily lucrative like embarrassingly lucrative and
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  [Hannah Jungling]: You know you're in the with the horses at night and they're quiet and they're
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  [Hannah Jungling]: happy and they know the job and it's just it's really nice and then I have
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  [Hannah Jungling]: my whole week to do my normal life at home with my family and The barn is
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  [Hannah Jungling]: you know our farm is just lovely and quiet and serene. It's just it's
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  [Hannah Jungling]: perfect. So I mean, do I make a living necessarily off the horses? No,
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  [Hannah Jungling]: because that's impossible. They're way too expensive. But we incorporate
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  [Caite]: So,
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  [Hannah Jungling]: life.
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  [Caite]: you're like really living the horse girl dream by getting paid to play with your
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  [Caite]: horse's hair.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: Literally, Katie, it's ridiculous. We finished
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  [Caite]: That's
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  [Hannah Jungling]: the weekend.
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  [Caite]: amazing.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: I finished the weekend, and it's just ridiculous. I mean, it's wild. So
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  [Hannah Jungling]: it's super fun. We absolutely love it.
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  [Caite]: That's bonkers.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: Yeah,
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  [Caite]: I love it.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: right.
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  [Caite]: I'm so here for this.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: Right.
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  [Arlene Hunter]: And
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  [Hannah Jungling]: And
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  [Arlene Hunter]: Hannah.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: Tempe practices braiding all the time.
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  [Arlene Hunter]: Does she have the best hairstyles for crazy hair day?
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  [Hannah Jungling]: No, because I'm terrible at doing human hair. Like terrible.
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  [Arlene Hunter]: Oh
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  [Hannah Jungling]: So
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  [Arlene Hunter]: yeah?
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  [Hannah Jungling]: mine's short, can't
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  [Arlene Hunter]: Yeah.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: cut all that pass together. And so I'm terrible at doing hair. So I can
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  [Hannah Jungling]: braid hers a little bit and stuff, but not a whole lot.
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  [Arlene Hunter]: There's just not quite enough of it. Like there needs to, she
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  [Hannah Jungling]: No,
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  [Arlene Hunter]: needs to grow it for
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  [Hannah Jungling]: so,
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  [Arlene Hunter]: years.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: you know, the funny things to complain about, you know, hers is so soft
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  [Hannah Jungling]: and silky and horses are much more horse
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  [Arlene Hunter]: Yeah.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: and they don't complain.
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  [Arlene Hunter]: Yeah, that's true. And your husband's in the room with you as well. Does
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  [Arlene Hunter]: he work on farm or in egg or what's your story?
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  [Hannah Jungling]: So I have a normal job, project manager for a consumer firm. Normal.
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  [Arlene Hunter]: A normal
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  [Hannah Jungling]: And then
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  [Arlene Hunter]: job.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: I come home and I get to work to the bone fixing all the things that
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  [Hannah Jungling]: the horse girls break through today. So yeah, that's what we do.
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  [Arlene Hunter]: That sounds about right. So, yeah. So Hannah, we talk a lot on this podcast
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  [Arlene Hunter]: about, I mean, Katie and I end up going back to this a lot about becoming
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  [Arlene Hunter]: parents for the first time and that transition from
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  [Hannah Jungling]: Absolutely.
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  [Arlene Hunter]: being a human unto yourself and then, you know, the transition to being
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  [Arlene Hunter]: a parent. What was that like for you with your daughter?
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  [Hannah Jungling]: It was, a lot of it was good and a lot of it was challenging. I think it's,
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  [Hannah Jungling]: I think the evolution of becoming a parent is challenging in every fact
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  [Hannah Jungling]: of the matter. We had, we had complications with our, not complications,
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  [Hannah Jungling]: but just things we had to adapt to. Bryce was working full time and going
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  [Hannah Jungling]: to school full time and I'm self-employed. So Tempe was with me 24 seven
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  [Hannah Jungling]: and, you know, we just had to work through figuring those things out.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: And I was so fortunate that I was able to, I was a very good milk cow.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: And so I produced a lot of milk. It was very simple to just have her attach
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  [Hannah Jungling]: to me all the time. She lived, I mean, she literally lived attached to my
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  [Hannah Jungling]: body for the first two years and was with us at the barn all the time. I
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  [Hannah Jungling]: taught with her constantly. She traveled. She was 10 days old at her first
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  [Hannah Jungling]: tour show, three states away. You know, she just she had to kind of jump
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  [Hannah Jungling]: and just roll with the punches like the rest of us. But it definitely was
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  [Hannah Jungling]: an adaptation. to figure out and then moving down here and figuring
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  [Hannah Jungling]: out school and everything. Our schools aren't as exceptional. And so just
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  [Hannah Jungling]: figuring out the processes of everything. And I think as moms, parents
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  [Hannah Jungling]: in general, we take on the role of you want to produce a kind and gentle
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  [Hannah Jungling]: human to give back to the world because we have to give them back to
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  [Hannah Jungling]: the world. And so Bryce and I have really taken a lot of responsibility
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  [Hannah Jungling]: over that, that we want to make sure we're producing a good little human.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: that will hopefully go on and do good little human things someday in
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  [Hannah Jungling]: the world. But it's, yeah, it's a challenge. I think people that don't
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  [Hannah Jungling]: think it's a challenge are definitely toying with themselves.
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  [Caite]: And Hannah, before we get any further, how many horses does Tempe have now?
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  [Hannah Jungling]: Oh, well, let's see. So she's got her hot sauce pony, who is the cutest pony
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  [Hannah Jungling]: in the entire world that's ever existed. Arlene, Katie will have to send
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  [Hannah Jungling]: you pictures on Facebook. It is like literally cutest pony. And then
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  [Hannah Jungling]: she recently hijacked my husband's horse. And then she's got her eyes
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  [Hannah Jungling]: set on one of my yearlings that she seems to think is going to be hers.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: So, but she's, you know, going back to that, you know, raising children,
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  [Hannah Jungling]: I think it's so important to raise them around animals. And I always
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  [Hannah Jungling]: tell Bryce, my favorite thing in the whole world is when she doesn't hear
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  [Hannah Jungling]: me behind her or see me and you hear her talking to the animals. She's
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  [Hannah Jungling]: so sweet and gentle and she's at the fence and the babies have their head
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  [Hannah Jungling]: over the fence and she's smooching them and telling them how beautiful
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  [Hannah Jungling]: they are and talking in baby voices to them and snuggling the cats and all
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  [Hannah Jungling]: of that. It's really special to see that relationship growing.
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  [Caite]: So part of why we're talking to so many of you today and in the hospital, do you
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  [Caite]: wanna just tell us why there are so many people in this room with you, Hannah?
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  [Hannah Jungling]: So we've got a bit of a party going on right now. We only ever wanted one
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  [Hannah Jungling]: child, and we felt very fortunate that we had a very healthy pregnancy and a
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  [Hannah Jungling]: very healthy birth, and we have a wonderful little girl. And we always
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  [Hannah Jungling]: talked about being surrogates and that it would be a really cool experience,
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  [Hannah Jungling]: and it just kinda never panned out for us, and we've talked about it for about
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  [Hannah Jungling]: six years. And so then we just, life was a bit crazy and busy, and we
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  [Hannah Jungling]: thought maybe it just wasn't in the cards. And I don't know, it was over
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  [Hannah Jungling]: a year ago now, about a year and a half ago, I started thinking about it
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  [Hannah Jungling]: again, but I didn't really wanna say anything to Bryce until I'd sat with
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  [Hannah Jungling]: it for a bit. So I kinda sat with it for like three or four months.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: And then poor Bryce, I like just dumped it on him one day. I was like,
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  [Hannah Jungling]: so I really wanna be a surrogate. And I, if you're in for this, then let's do
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  [Hannah Jungling]: it. If you don't, then like we won't. But like, I really wanna do this.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: And being the ever supportive guy that he is, he was like, well, hell yeah,
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  [Hannah Jungling]: let's do it. So. we found an agency, which is a bit of a challenge. I
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  [Hannah Jungling]: live a very active life, obviously, and a lot of the agencies want you
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  [Hannah Jungling]: to be very, yeah, very sedentary. I mean, it's crazy. They just, they don't want
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  [Hannah Jungling]: you doing anything. And so I finally found an agency that was okay with
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  [Hannah Jungling]: me riding through the pregnancy and living our normal active life, running
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  [Hannah Jungling]: a busy farm. And they immediately set us up with a couple from Australia. and
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  [Hannah Jungling]: they didn't realize our parameters and our parameters were that we weren't gonna
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  [Hannah Jungling]: carry for anyone that was straight. So they set us up with this lovely
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  [Hannah Jungling]: couple from Australia and I wish I could have been a fly on the wall
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  [Hannah Jungling]: when they had to call them back and say, actually the surrogate won't
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  [Hannah Jungling]: carry for you because you're not gay. But the very next couple they paired
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  [Hannah Jungling]: us with was Chris and Jose who were here with us and we absolutely fell
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  [Hannah Jungling]: in love with them the moment we talked to them on the phone and immediately
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  [Hannah Jungling]: became friends on Facebook and got each other's numbers. It's a very long
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  [Hannah Jungling]: process. We met in January last year, and the transfer actually wasn't
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  [Hannah Jungling]: until September? September. And so through that time, you know, I had to
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  [Hannah Jungling]: make lots of trips up to Indianapolis, and we got to spend a lot of
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  [Hannah Jungling]: time together and get to know each other really well. And it was like
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  [Hannah Jungling]: icing on the cake when we first met them, and we, Bryce immediately started
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  [Hannah Jungling]: stalking them, and they had an Airdale on their website, their dog groomers.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: And as Katie knows, we love Airdales. We lost our beloved Airedale two
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  [Hannah Jungling]: years ago. And so Bryce called me the moment he saw it on their website and
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  [Hannah Jungling]: he was like, it's them, it's gotta be them. Like it's meant to be, we need
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  [Hannah Jungling]: to stick with them. So it's just been, it's been really fun. We've had
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  [Hannah Jungling]: a blast. They've become some of our very best friends. We talk every day.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: And now we're at the point where little Emma has decided to come a week
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  [Hannah Jungling]: or two early, but she's good and cooked and she's ready. So we're just hanging
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  [Hannah Jungling]: out in the hospital.
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  [Caite]: Yeah, for our listeners, we did not schedule this interview anticipating quite
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  [Caite]: this level of excitement. But, you know, Hannah's a... She's a trooper, and she
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  [Caite]: makes me look really low-key and calm. So, you know, she said, well, I'm, you know,
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  [Caite]: I'm at the hospital, but we can still do the interview. And I was like, hey, are
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  [Caite]: you sure? Yeah, fine. That's really cool, though, that you got to have this...
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  [Caite]: love it for sight connection with the parents of your child in such a different way
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  [Caite]: than we normally think of.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: Yeah, it's been super awesome and it's been really exciting. It's been really
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  [Hannah Jungling]: exciting and we were thrilled. They only had Chris' biological to this child
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  [Hannah Jungling]: and he only had one little girl embryo. And so it was very exciting that
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  [Hannah Jungling]: little Emma took because they really wanted a little girl. So it's been
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  [Hannah Jungling]: super fun.
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  [Arlene Hunter]: That is really neat. How have you explained it to your daughter and how does
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  [Arlene Hunter]: she understand the process of what's been going on?
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  [Hannah Jungling]: So that's actually hysterical. We, depending on how much people do with breeding,
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  [Hannah Jungling]: they're familiar or not with the term, but we do a lot of breeding with
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  [Hannah Jungling]: horses, right? And we had three Ixie babies last year. Well, Ixie is
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  [Hannah Jungling]: the exact same process. So although my daughter has zero idea about natural
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  [Hannah Jungling]: birds and the bees, artificial insemination and Ixie and embryos are like
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  [Hannah Jungling]: right up her alley. So she has been fortunate enough to be at the vet
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  [Hannah Jungling]: clinic when we've done a lot of the processes. And so she's gotten to
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  [Hannah Jungling]: see the eggs, the sperm, all of it under the microscope, and then see
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  [Hannah Jungling]: the embryos before we insert them into the mares and then follow the ultrasounds
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  [Hannah Jungling]: in the process. And eventually she's there when we birth out the foals. So
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  [Hannah Jungling]: for her, it was a no brainer. I mean, I just told her, we talked about with
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  [Hannah Jungling]: her with her to make sure she was comfortable with it. And we just told
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  [Hannah Jungling]: her that it's the exact same process, that we're caring for some very dear
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  [Hannah Jungling]: friends that aren't able to carry for themselves. And our family's gonna
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  [Hannah Jungling]: help make another family. And as soon as we said icksy, she was like,
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  [Hannah Jungling]: oh, so we're making petri dish babies. I was like, yup, that's what we're
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  [Hannah Jungling]: doing. So it was easy peasy explaining it to her.
• 15:27
  [Arlene Hunter]: Yeah, that's a good point. We live on a dairy farm and so, you know, one
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  [Arlene Hunter]: of my kids' first jobs when they're out in the barn with my husband is,
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  [Arlene Hunter]: you know, like carrying the lube for him to do artificial insemination
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  [Arlene Hunter]: on cows. So, yeah, breeding and talking about semen and all those kinds
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  [Arlene Hunter]: of things are, you know, pretty typical for our kids. So, it probably is easier
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  [Arlene Hunter]: for them to understand than kids who aren't in agriculture or used to dealing
• 15:51
  [Arlene Hunter]: with livestock.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: Absolutely. Well, now that being said, there has been a time or two where
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  [Hannah Jungling]: she's asked like, so is this how I was made? And Bryce and I very politely
• 15:58
  [Hannah Jungling]: are like,
• 16:02
  [Arlene Hunter]: It's a little different.
• 16:05
  [Hannah Jungling]: conversation for a bit.
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  [Caite]: So... I just totally lost track of where I was, sorry. What's the going forward,
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  [Caite]: what are you anticipating your relationship being like with this family? Because I mean,
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  [Caite]: obviously, rather than like an open adoption or something, like, you came at this
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  [Caite]: whole situation very differently than a lot of families who end up... mixing two
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  [Caite]: families together like this.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: I don't think we anticipated, I don't think Chris and Jose or Bryce and I
• 16:47
  [Hannah Jungling]: anticipated having such a close relationship. I think this was a hope.
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  [Hannah Jungling]: I had told Chris when we initially talked that I thought it'd be really
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  [Hannah Jungling]: cool if maybe like, we'd get a picture once a year of her as she grows,
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  [Hannah Jungling]: because she's not biologically related to me at all. She's a donor egg and
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  [Hannah Jungling]: Chris is sperm. But, you know, we've... just we've become so close and
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  [Hannah Jungling]: they're literally a part of our family. After Emma's born we'll actually
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  [Hannah Jungling]: all go back to the farm for a week, a few days to a week to settle and
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  [Hannah Jungling]: get milk supply up and in so we should milk off to them and help them
• 17:21
  [Hannah Jungling]: get their feed under them with a newborn baby and just spend time together
• 17:25
  [Hannah Jungling]: and enjoy time together. But no, I know it's definitely not the norm
• 17:31
  [Hannah Jungling]: and I'm still not quite sure how we got so fortunate to. have the relationship
• 17:35
  [Hannah Jungling]: that we do, but I'm incredibly thankful for it because we definitely want
• 17:38
  [Hannah Jungling]: to watch Emma grow up. And Tempe calls her her little cousin and she's
• 17:43
  [Hannah Jungling]: been sleeping with a little stuffy for the past month because she wants
• 17:46
  [Hannah Jungling]: the stuffy to smell like her so that Emma can take it home and remember
• 17:50
  [Hannah Jungling]: her smell. So it's been really sweet. It's been really, really sweet.
• 17:55
  [Arlene Hunter]: That is so cute.
• 17:58
  [Caite]: I love talking to families that come together more intentionally or with more luck
• 18:07
  [Caite]: and less.
• 18:10
  [Caite]: normal, I guess. I don't know
• 18:12
  [Hannah Jungling]: Yeah.
• 18:12
  [Caite]: what to... You know, there's a lot of folks who do things kind of the boy meets
• 18:18
  [Caite]: girl, boy and girl get drunk, boy and girl have a baby kind of way. You know, but
• 18:26
  [Caite]: it's so cool to think about all the ways that families are made and how many people
• 18:31
  [Caite]: that can involve and
• 18:34
  [Hannah Jungling]: Absolutely.
• 18:36
  [Caite]: what a gift to be able to give someone.
• 18:38
  [Hannah Jungling]: Absolutely, and they've waited far, I mean, how old were these embryos? Four
• 18:43
  [Hannah Jungling]: years? Well, we started this process, sorry to talk about it. Talk loud.
• 18:47
  [Hannah Jungling]: Hi, this is Jose.
• 18:51
  [Caite]: I was gonna say I can only see the ceiling, but
• 18:52
  [Arlene Hunter]: Hahaha
• 18:52
  [Caite]: okay. Hahahaha.
• 18:55
  [Hannah Jungling]: So, technically we started this whole process like around four years ago.
• 19:03
  [Hannah Jungling]: And it wasn't until the end of the, I would say probably 2018, beginning
• 19:10
  [Hannah Jungling]: 2019, that we decided to go forward cause we weren't really sure if
• 19:16
  [Hannah Jungling]: this is what we really wanted to do. We were not sure if we were ready for
• 19:20
  [Hannah Jungling]: kids, but then like most of our close friends started having kids throughout
• 19:25
  [Hannah Jungling]: COVID and then we were like, we looked at each other and they were like,
• 19:28
  [Hannah Jungling]: yep. This is the path. I mean, all of our friends are having babies.
• 19:32
  [Hannah Jungling]: So I think it's just, I don't know what it is, the universe. whatever you
• 19:37
  [Hannah Jungling]: want to call it. But I think it doesn't. And then, so yeah, we started the
• 19:42
  [Hannah Jungling]: whole process at Midwest Fertility. We called our, an agency close to
• 19:49
  [Hannah Jungling]: where we live by, and which by the way, we still on their waiting list,
• 19:53
  [Hannah Jungling]: waiting for a surrogate. They don't even know that we're actually having
• 19:57
  [Hannah Jungling]: a baby. But we, we created embryos and we, like Hannah mentioned, that
• 20:05
  [Hannah Jungling]: we, they were frozen for a while. because we were still looking for
• 20:08
  [Hannah Jungling]: a surrogate. And then Chris called Andrea, a wonderful person from Midwest
• 20:14
  [Hannah Jungling]: that was helping us throughout the process and desperately called her and
• 20:20
  [Hannah Jungling]: asked if she knew anything or of any agencies that we can call. So she
• 20:26
  [Hannah Jungling]: mentioned one from Texas, that's based in Texas. And what's it called
• 20:31
  [Hannah Jungling]: Chris? Newborn. Newborn. Newborn, yeah. Newborn advantage. Newborn advantage.
• 20:35
  [Hannah Jungling]: And then we called to... Mindy who is
• 20:43
  [Hannah Jungling]: the coordinator. Yeah, you call it. And then we talked to her and that
• 20:46
  [Hannah Jungling]: was like in around 20 towards the end of 2021, November around that time.
• 20:57
  [Hannah Jungling]: We talked to them and we're just like, pretty much we're just like looking
• 21:01
  [Hannah Jungling]: for someone that can help us and guide us the right way. And then January
• 21:07
  [Hannah Jungling]: of 2022, that's when She was like, I think I found the right person.
• 21:11
  [Hannah Jungling]: And that's when we met Hannah. We had a phone interview with them. No, a video
• 21:15
  [Hannah Jungling]: call. We met on a video call. And then it was kind of like, it was kind of
• 21:19
  [Hannah Jungling]: like meant to be. And then, yeah, everything just went great since then.
• 21:27
  [Arlene Hunter]: That's really neat.
• 21:28
  [Caite]: I think. Sorry, you're never ready for babies. Like, it seems a little rude to
• 21:33
  [Caite]: tell you that now, like a little, you know, closing the door after the horses are
• 21:37
  [Caite]: out, but you'll never be ready. But it's the best thing I've ever done.
• 21:44
  [Hannah Jungling]: Yeah,
• 21:44
  [Caite]: And
• 21:44
  [Hannah Jungling]: we have
• 21:44
  [Caite]: hopefully
• 21:44
  [Hannah Jungling]: a,
• 21:45
  [Caite]: it'll.
• 21:45
  [Hannah Jungling]: I mean, I can, that is true because we're not really ready, but I think
• 21:51
  [Hannah Jungling]: we have a lot. Well, we're really not ready for her to come yet.
• 21:55
  [Caite]: I'm
• 21:55
  [Hannah Jungling]: But
• 21:55
  [Caite]: sorry.
• 21:55
  [Hannah Jungling]: I mean, we have a lot of help back at home and a lot of help. I mean,
• 22:01
  [Hannah Jungling]: Bryce and Hannah and even Hannah's family have been just wonderful and
• 22:05
  [Hannah Jungling]: we know we'll be okay. We'll make it through.
• 22:10
  [Caite]: I think it's really cool, too, that you can start your time with this baby without
• 22:16
  [Caite]: one of you being, um, dealing with the physical after effects of having just produced
• 22:22
  [Caite]: another human too,
• 22:24
  [Hannah Jungling]: this.
• 22:24
  [Caite]: because
• 22:24
  [Hannah Jungling]: Yeah.
• 22:24
  [Caite]: that was, I think, the hardest part is trying to heal and deal with the new baby
• 22:29
  [Caite]: who doesn't sleep. I
• 22:31
  [Hannah Jungling]: That
• 22:31
  [Caite]: mean,
• 22:31
  [Hannah Jungling]: is
• 22:31
  [Caite]: your
• 22:31
  [Hannah Jungling]: so.
• 22:31
  [Caite]: baby will totally sleep and cause absolutely no problems ever, but...
• 22:37
  [Hannah Jungling]: Katie, I made it. Feral. It is feral.
• 22:40
  [Caite]: Yeah, I feel okay about saying this because my kids are totally feral and I've
• 22:45
  [Caite]: known you for a long time, Hannah. Feral is an accurate description.
• 22:49
  [Hannah Jungling]: I have told them from the beginning. I was like, I don't know what it
• 22:52
  [Hannah Jungling]: is. It's me, it's me. It's something I do. This thing is wild all the
• 22:55
  [Hannah Jungling]: time. I, I'm sorry guys.
• 22:59
  [Caite]: My daughter asked last night if she ever kicked me while I was pregnant with her.
• 23:04
  [Hannah Jungling]: No,
• 23:04
  [Caite]: And this
• 23:04
  [Hannah Jungling]: never
• 23:04
  [Caite]: is,
• 23:04
  [Hannah Jungling]: honey.
• 23:05
  [Caite]: I have five hernias down the middle of my abdomen from her kicking me.
• 23:10
  [Hannah Jungling]: Oh my
• 23:11
  [Caite]: Like
• 23:11
  [Hannah Jungling]: god.
• 23:12
  [Caite]: literally destroyed my body. And she's like, I never kicked him. Okay, kid, okay.
• 23:21
  [Caite]: So I'm just gonna add a question in here. Hannah, since you are braiding horses
• 23:27
  [Caite]: and you said that. Chris and Jose are dog groomers. Have you thought about like combining
• 23:32
  [Caite]: forces and then perhaps like a reality show
• 23:36
  [Hannah Jungling]: I
• 23:36
  [Caite]: or?
• 23:36
  [Hannah Jungling]: mean, we're trying to convince them to move down to South Carolina, but I
• 23:39
  [Hannah Jungling]: don't think it's going to happen. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able
• 23:40
  [Hannah Jungling]: to do that.
• 23:41
  [Caite]: I'm just picturing the show that you could create from this. And
• 23:46
  [Hannah Jungling]: Ed-
• 23:46
  [Caite]: I mean, I would totally watch that, so.
• 23:49
  [Hannah Jungling]: It would be epic. It would be epic. They run, so not only do they run
• 23:53
  [Hannah Jungling]: a dog grooming business, they do doggy daycare too and dog boarding.
• 23:57
  [Hannah Jungling]: And one of the first times I went to their house, the, so the whole basement
• 24:02
  [Hannah Jungling]: is set up as their dog grooming and boarding area. And one of the first times
• 24:06
  [Hannah Jungling]: I went to their house, they opened up the basement door and there had to
• 24:10
  [Hannah Jungling]: have been, there had to have been 30 dogs all just like coming and peering
• 24:14
  [Hannah Jungling]: around the corner and they're like, Oh, hello. And that's
• 24:18
  [Caite]: That
• 24:18
  [Hannah Jungling]: the reason.
• 24:18
  [Caite]: is GOLES.
• 24:20
  [Hannah Jungling]: It is hysterical, but people love boarding with them because the dogs are
• 24:23
  [Hannah Jungling]: treated like family, and they're not left in kennels, and you know,
• 24:27
  [Hannah Jungling]: they're out and about and hanging out with everybody, and it's really
• 24:30
  [Hannah Jungling]: cool. It's a really cool situation.
• 24:33
  [Caite]: Do you think that dog grooming leaves them better prepared for dealing with little
• 24:36
  [Caite]: girl hair than horse grooming does?
• 24:38
  [Hannah Jungling]: Definitely. What do you think? Oh yeah. Yeah? Yeah? Okay. I've been practicing
• 24:42
  [Hannah Jungling]: with, so whenever we groom dogs, mainly girl dogs, like females, and they
• 24:48
  [Hannah Jungling]: like poodles, they're like, oh, they're long hair and stuff like that.
• 24:52
  [Hannah Jungling]: Are you putting bows in? Yeah. I
• 24:53
  [Arlene Hunter]: Hehehehe
• 24:54
  [Hannah Jungling]: put bows in. So I specifically, like, we specifically order like, like, like
• 25:00
  [Hannah Jungling]: cute bows. And then I think I got the hang of it. So I'm all set
• 25:04
  [Arlene Hunter]: Yeah,
• 25:04
  [Hannah Jungling]: for that. Jose's.
• 25:05
  [Arlene Hunter]: yeah, perfect. Watch this baby be
• 25:08
  [Caite]: I
• 25:08
  [Arlene Hunter]: the
• 25:08
  [Caite]: have
• 25:09
  [Arlene Hunter]: baldest
• 25:09
  [Caite]: to say it's...
• 25:09
  [Arlene Hunter]: child ever. Like, you know those babies that don't have hair till they're
• 25:13
  [Arlene Hunter]: like two.
• 25:15
  [Hannah Jungling]: We did an ultrasound, a 3D ultrasound. We had the best, they did a big
• 25:19
  [Hannah Jungling]: baby shower, what was that, two weeks ago? It wasn't that long ago. April
• 25:22
  [Hannah Jungling]: 1st. They did this huge baby shower back in Indianapolis. And it was amazing.
• 25:28
  [Hannah Jungling]: It was so much fun. Jose's family is obviously Hispanic and cooked up
• 25:32
  [Hannah Jungling]: the most incredible food. And they have so much family and everybody's
• 25:38
  [Hannah Jungling]: so excited. And we had such a great stinking time. And I can't remember
• 25:43
  [Hannah Jungling]: where I was going with this.
• 25:44
  [Arlene Hunter]: something about hair. Bows.
• 25:47
  [Hannah Jungling]: Oh, and that's right, we did a 3D ultrasound while we were there. And,
• 25:51
  [Hannah Jungling]: um,
• 25:54
  [Hannah Jungling]: it was, oh my god, the food was so good. Sorry, the food got... Oh, Katie,
• 25:59
  [Hannah Jungling]: it was lamb. And it was amazing.
• 26:00
  [Caite]: Oh my god.
• 26:01
  [Hannah Jungling]: It was
• 26:01
  [Caite]: Yom.
• 26:01
  [Hannah Jungling]: so good. It was so good. But, um, they did a 3D ultrasound. We had so
• 26:06
  [Hannah Jungling]: much fun. But she has so much hair on the ultrasound already. And I
• 26:10
  [Hannah Jungling]: was like, well, that's where all the heartburn came from. So hopefully,
• 26:15
  [Hannah Jungling]: hopefully there'll be some good hair for Jose to play with.
• 26:17
  [Arlene Hunter]: Yeah, that's right.
• 26:19
  [Caite]: I love Hannah as the mom of a pretty girly child myself, and she's like, why can't
• 26:24
  [Caite]: you do hair better? And I'm like, kid, look at me. Like, my hair is real short too.
• 26:29
  [Caite]: Like,
• 26:29
  [Hannah Jungling]: Mm-hmm.
• 26:29
  [Caite]: you know why my hair is short? Because I am not the one you want for this baby.
• 26:34
  [Hannah Jungling]: No! And who's got time for that? I'm sorry, I do not have time for that.
• 26:37
  [Caite]: Yeah. I'm trying to find one of the moms at daycare that I can like legit just
• 26:42
  [Caite]: pay off to deal with my kids hair because
• 26:44
  [Hannah Jungling]: That's amazing.
• 26:45
  [Caite]: I am not, I am not here for this.
• 26:47
  [Hannah Jungling]: That's
• 26:47
  [Caite]: Just
• 26:47
  [Hannah Jungling]: amazing.
• 26:48
  [Caite]: not.
• 26:51
  [Arlene Hunter]: So I know that probably every, oh, Katie's got more, go.
• 26:56
  [Caite]: Arlene, I forgot the second half of my question because I
• 26:58
  [Arlene Hunter]: Okay,
• 26:58
  [Caite]: got
• 26:58
  [Arlene Hunter]: sorry.
• 26:58
  [Caite]: all distracted by Jose's family's food.
• 27:01
  [Hannah Jungling]: So you would
• 27:03
  [Caite]: So
• 27:03
  [Hannah Jungling]: have been kidding,
• 27:03
  [Caite]: you-
• 27:03
  [Hannah Jungling]: trust me.
• 27:05
  [Caite]: You said you were a total milk cow for the first kid, and I think you already
• 27:10
  [Caite]: partly answered this, but What's the plan for feeding this baby? Let's talk about
• 27:16
  [Caite]: food, Hannah. Let's just circle back to food
• 27:20
  [Hannah Jungling]: So we've got a really cool situation with Chris and Jose that they've
• 27:24
  [Hannah Jungling]: been very open about breastfeeding and birth and everything and just figuring
• 27:32
  [Hannah Jungling]: out what is going to A, be best for Emma and B, what's going to be feasible
• 27:36
  [Hannah Jungling]: for all of us. So that was kind of how we came to, you know, let's...
• 27:42
  [Hannah Jungling]: get Emma here and safely and then go back to the farm and settle and
• 27:48
  [Hannah Jungling]: we can all kind of help each other. I mean, forehands are far better than
• 27:51
  [Hannah Jungling]: two and all kind of help
• 27:53
  [Caite]: I think
• 27:53
  [Hannah Jungling]: each
• 27:53
  [Caite]: you
• 27:53
  [Hannah Jungling]: other.
• 27:53
  [Caite]: have eight hands between the four of you, right?
• 27:55
  [Hannah Jungling]: Yeah,
• 27:56
  [Caite]: Okay, good. I
• 27:57
  [Hannah Jungling]: yeah,
• 27:57
  [Caite]: just thought
• 27:58
  [Hannah Jungling]: you're
• 27:58
  [Caite]: I'd
• 27:58
  [Hannah Jungling]: right.
• 27:58
  [Caite]: check.
• 27:59
  [Hannah Jungling]: Yeah. I can't, I don't know. Hard. But just kind of get everybody settled
• 28:03
  [Hannah Jungling]: and that'll give me time to get my milk in. And I was very fortunate
• 28:07
  [Hannah Jungling]: that I was an absolute cow last time. So hopefully if they're here for
• 28:12
  [Hannah Jungling]: about a week, we can get a bunch of milk frozen up for them to send
• 28:14
  [Hannah Jungling]: off with and then we'll be shipping milk up north for them weekly. So
• 28:19
  [Hannah Jungling]: that should be a pretty good situation. And last time I produced, I fed
• 28:25
  [Hannah Jungling]: Tempe, obviously, and then I also pumped, I had a girlfriend who did not
• 28:29
  [Hannah Jungling]: nurse well. And so I pumped and fed her baby half of his milk as well.
• 28:34
  [Hannah Jungling]: And then I also donated about 600 ounces. So it was, I was very... Good milk
• 28:40
  [Hannah Jungling]: cow. Yeah.
• 28:41
  [Arlene Hunter]: Yeah Good supply for sure.
• 28:44
  [Hannah Jungling]: So, yeah, fingers crossed that happens again. I know it's not always
• 28:48
  [Hannah Jungling]: the same and pumping will be different obviously than having a baby on
• 28:52
  [Hannah Jungling]: the breast all the time. So we'll see, we'll see, but that's the hope.
• 28:56
  [Hannah Jungling]: That's the hope.
• 28:56
  [Arlene Hunter]: Mm-hmm.
• 28:57
  [Caite]: I like that you're setting up a meal train now. You know,
• 29:00
  [Hannah Jungling]: Right? Right?
• 29:01
  [Caite]: for the baby.
• 29:01
  [Hannah Jungling]: Why not? I'm sorry.
• 29:05
  [Caite]: Can you call?
• 29:07
  [Arlene Hunter]: So I'm sure that every surrogacy experience is different, but can you talk a
• 29:11
  [Arlene Hunter]: little bit about the steps like medically that you go through? Like say
• 29:15
  [Arlene Hunter]: someone else was interested or curious about how it works. So what did
• 29:20
  [Arlene Hunter]: it look like for you? And you've talked a lot about kind of the delays and how
• 29:23
  [Arlene Hunter]: long everything takes. So I'm also kind of curious about what happens along
• 29:27
  [Arlene Hunter]: the way.
• 29:29
  [Hannah Jungling]: I think the longest process was probably legal, wouldn't you say? The attorneys?
• 29:34
  [Hannah Jungling]: Yeah, it was a long, because I don't think it was, I think it was like April
• 29:38
  [Hannah Jungling]: before, or May even, before we started on the actual process, a physical
• 29:43
  [Hannah Jungling]: process. So the attorney portion took a really long time. And I feel
• 29:50
  [Hannah Jungling]: like we were all very simple on the contracts. Like we were like, we were
• 29:53
  [Hannah Jungling]: pretty easy. Like whatever you guys say, I just think it takes a long
• 29:57
  [Hannah Jungling]: time to. get everything squared away. And we have the challenge too, that you're
• 30:02
  [Hannah Jungling]: dealing with all these different states, right? So they're from Indianapolis,
• 30:07
  [Hannah Jungling]: but and we're from South Carolina, but the laws in Georgia are actually
• 30:10
  [Hannah Jungling]: more agreeable for surrogacy. And we're thankfully about 15 minutes from
• 30:16
  [Hannah Jungling]: the border of Georgia. So that's why we're in Georgia to have the baby.
• 30:21
  [Hannah Jungling]: So that was kind of the longest process. And then after that, it was. I mean,
• 30:28
  [Hannah Jungling]: blood draws and lots of ultrasounds to kind of start tracking cycles and seeing
• 30:32
  [Hannah Jungling]: where everything's sitting. Very similar to an IVF process. And then we
• 30:38
  [Hannah Jungling]: did, I would go up to Indianapolis and they would do scans up there and check
• 30:45
  [Hannah Jungling]: everything. And then we did a mock trial, which was super interesting because
• 30:50
  [Hannah Jungling]: we had to time when we needed to do implantation. And so most women you implant,
• 30:57
  [Hannah Jungling]: I believe it was seven days, and they did a mock trial where they actually
• 31:01
  [Hannah Jungling]: scraped some of the uterine lining and they test the cells to see when
• 31:05
  [Hannah Jungling]: you're gonna be most fertile to accept an egg or an embryo. And they said,
• 31:10
  [Hannah Jungling]: you know, there's just, there's a few women that are a little before or a little
• 31:13
  [Hannah Jungling]: after, and thankfully they did that because my day was actually day nine,
• 31:16
  [Hannah Jungling]: not seven. So if we had just gone for the first one, we probably wouldn't
• 31:20
  [Hannah Jungling]: have had little Emma. We'd probably have a little boy instead. So it was
• 31:24
  [Hannah Jungling]: great that we did the mock trial and kind of knew. what day they need
• 31:27
  [Hannah Jungling]: to do the transfer on and then The next cycle I went back up for the
• 31:33
  [Hannah Jungling]: transfer and then same as IVF It's tons of tons of shots and I don't
• 31:37
  [Hannah Jungling]: do needles. So that was kind of a struggle, but we got through it But it
• 31:43
  [Hannah Jungling]: was actually really amazing. We had a We had a mare last year lose a foal
• 31:48
  [Hannah Jungling]: tragically she was having a canter with the herd and she Ran into a fence
• 31:55
  [Hannah Jungling]: post and broke her neck And so it was absolutely heart-wrenching. And we
• 31:58
  [Hannah Jungling]: were with the foal, obviously, until the vet got there and had her sedated
• 32:02
  [Hannah Jungling]: and quiet and everything. And the mare, the mom of the foal, is one of
• 32:07
  [Hannah Jungling]: my homebreds. So I had pulled her from her dam. And so her and I are obviously
• 32:11
  [Hannah Jungling]: very close. And so the situation was very challenging and heartbreaking for
• 32:16
  [Hannah Jungling]: all of us to go through. And when the transfer happened, it was about
• 32:19
  [Hannah Jungling]: two months after we had lost the baby. And she actually came up into the
• 32:23
  [Hannah Jungling]: field. When I got home, I was out doing some stuff. and she came up and
• 32:27
  [Hannah Jungling]: it was still three days before I could take a positive pregnancy test. And
• 32:30
  [Hannah Jungling]: she put her head on my chest and put her nose on my stomach and just stood
• 32:33
  [Hannah Jungling]: there. And you know, I was just loving on her. I didn't really think anything
• 32:36
  [Hannah Jungling]: of it. And then mom kind of, I think it was, I don't know if it was
• 32:39
  [Hannah Jungling]: mom or Bryce was like, you know, do you think, do you think she knows
• 32:41
  [Hannah Jungling]: something? And I was like, you know, I didn't even think about that. She's
• 32:44
  [Hannah Jungling]: a very affectionate animal anyway, but it was just interesting how she
• 32:47
  [Hannah Jungling]: came over and really just rested on my stomach. And then that night,
• 32:51
  [Hannah Jungling]: one of our cats who we've had for forever, who was also, with me during
• 32:56
  [Hannah Jungling]: my last pregnancy and is obsessed with incubating babies, obsessed with
• 32:59
  [Hannah Jungling]: it, immediately started incubating my stomach. And so I texted Chris and Jose
• 33:04
  [Hannah Jungling]: and I was like, I think we're pregnant. And they were like, really? There's
• 33:08
  [Hannah Jungling]: no way we can know yet. And we knew long before we took the pregnancy test
• 33:11
  [Hannah Jungling]: that we were pregnant. It was really cool. But it was so fun to have
• 33:14
  [Hannah Jungling]: the animals being the one to tell you, you know, that they were all like,
• 33:17
  [Hannah Jungling]: oh yeah, there's a bun in the oven. Let's get this thing going. So, but
• 33:21
  [Hannah Jungling]: yeah, the process was. Other than that, it was pretty smooth. I went back
• 33:25
  [Hannah Jungling]: up for an eight week ultrasound in Indianapolis. And at that point I was released
• 33:29
  [Hannah Jungling]: from Midwest Fertility. And then I started with a midwife here in Aiken,
• 33:36
  [Hannah Jungling]: who actually kind of counseled us into not doing a hospital birth, because
• 33:40
  [Hannah Jungling]: our first birth was a home birth. And so then we went to Savannah and
• 33:45
  [Hannah Jungling]: got in with a birthing center there, which we absolutely loved. And then
• 33:50
  [Hannah Jungling]: Emma decided that, you know, it's not really anybody's decision other than
• 33:52
  [Hannah Jungling]: hers anyway. So here we are at the hospital.
• 33:58
  [Caite]: Chris and Jose, I know you know Hannah well enough by now, but y'all are screwed if
• 34:03
  [Caite]: she comes out with even like half of her attitude. You're just up a creek.
• 34:07
  [Hannah Jungling]: Oh,
• 34:08
  [Caite]: I mean,
• 34:08
  [Hannah Jungling]: love it. Yeah, I will.
• 34:09
  [Caite]: you're lucky, cause... Hmm.
• 34:16
  [Caite]: Sorry, we totally missed that.
• 34:18
  [Hannah Jungling]: Oh, you're fine. We were saying that if Emma, it's just like, we will
• 34:23
  [Hannah Jungling]: love it. What's not to love about Emma? I don't know about that, but they're
• 34:31
  [Hannah Jungling]: pretty great guys.
• 34:34
  [Caite]: I mean, my daughter's a sassy little critter too, so I fully... I love it.
• 34:41
  [Hannah Jungling]: You wouldn't want it any other way though. I mean, the stuff that comes
• 34:44
  [Hannah Jungling]: out of Tempe's mouth most of the time leaves me like peeing my pants.
• 34:47
  [Hannah Jungling]: So like, I'm game.
• 34:51
  [Caite]: figure it's got to be easier to try and get them to chill a little bit than it
• 34:55
  [Caite]: is to deal with a kid who is just, you know, can be told anything and will go
• 34:59
  [Caite]: along with it. So,
• 35:01
  [Hannah Jungling]: Well...
• 35:01
  [Caite]: at least that's what I tell myself to deal with the
• 35:04
  [Hannah Jungling]: Absolutely.
• 35:04
  [Caite]: tremendous amount of attitude. Um, what...
• 35:14
  [Caite]: I know you said there are other embryos remaining. I was about to say on file, but
• 35:20
  [Caite]: I don't think that's really what I meant.
• 35:22
  [Hannah Jungling]: They're in a-
• 35:23
  [Caite]: Have you guys talked about doing this again?
• 35:29
  [Hannah Jungling]: So we have.
• 35:30
  [Caite]: Not... It's like... Go ahead.
• 35:34
  [Hannah Jungling]: We have, and I mean, we don't have any details or anything. It's just a thought,
• 35:39
  [Hannah Jungling]: I think, right now. And Hannah and Bryce are, I think, agreeable to it. And
• 35:46
  [Hannah Jungling]: we're on board with another one. So, you know, obviously, this is a little
• 35:50
  [Hannah Jungling]: girl, and we'd like to have a little boy. But we just want to have success.
• 35:59
  [Hannah Jungling]: We want Emma to come and get... We want to get through this one before
• 36:04
  [Hannah Jungling]: we start really venturing down another path. Planning the second one.
• 36:08
  [Hannah Jungling]: So yeah, that's where I'm with that. I had no desire to do another surrogacy
• 36:18
  [Hannah Jungling]: until they brought it up. I don't think I would. I wanted to do this
• 36:21
  [Hannah Jungling]: once. If it was for another couple, I would not be interested. But we've
• 36:25
  [Hannah Jungling]: had so much fun. And It's been great and it's been so fun to get to know
• 36:29
  [Hannah Jungling]: them. They're going to be the best daddies in the world. This little
• 36:31
  [Hannah Jungling]: girl is so lucky. So I think we're, we're game to do it again.
• 36:42
  [Caite]: So how has this pregnancy been different, physically and emotionally, than the last one?
• 36:49
  [Hannah Jungling]: Honestly, not at all. The only frustration I had with this one in the
• 36:54
  [Hannah Jungling]: beginning was they had me on restricted activity, which I understand
• 36:58
  [Hannah Jungling]: why. But that was challenging. Again, Katie and I have known each other for
• 37:03
  [Hannah Jungling]: years. Sitting is not a common part of my life, nor is sleeping.
• 37:10
  [Caite]: I don't know that I've ever seen you seated,
• 37:13
  [Hannah Jungling]: Yeah,
• 37:13
  [Caite]: and
• 37:13
  [Hannah Jungling]: I
• 37:13
  [Caite]: I don't
• 37:13
  [Hannah Jungling]: don't
• 37:13
  [Caite]: think you actually do sleep, so...
• 37:15
  [Hannah Jungling]: know. Really not a cup of tea of mine. So. So that part was a little
• 37:21
  [Hannah Jungling]: challenging in the beginning. It wasn't bed rest or anything, but it was
• 37:23
  [Hannah Jungling]: the simple things of like, I couldn't go out and throw 15 bales of hay,
• 37:26
  [Hannah Jungling]: which, you know, I'm taking care of your farm. And so Bryce and my parents
• 37:32
  [Hannah Jungling]: were very accommodating and helpful to do the heavy lifting on the farm
• 37:36
  [Hannah Jungling]: that I couldn't do for a few weeks. But after that, I was back to my
• 37:40
  [Hannah Jungling]: normal activity level. I've been riding three horses four to five days
• 37:44
  [Hannah Jungling]: a week still, running the farm, throwing, you know, a bunch of hay. And...
• 37:48
  [Hannah Jungling]: Um, it's honestly, physically, it's been exactly the same up until this little
• 37:53
  [Hannah Jungling]: entertaining blip on Saturday morning. Um, but, uh, and emotionally, it's,
• 38:00
  [Hannah Jungling]: emotionally, it's been absolutely fine. Um, I really, like I said, I really sat
• 38:05
  [Hannah Jungling]: with this for a long time before I even talked to Bryce about it, um,
• 38:08
  [Hannah Jungling]: and made sure that I felt like I was, uh, emotionally and mentally capable
• 38:12
  [Hannah Jungling]: of carrying someone else's child and being comfortable, you know, knowing
• 38:16
  [Hannah Jungling]: that this was not my baby. even though your body thinks it is when it
• 38:19
  [Hannah Jungling]: comes out, it's not my baby. And so we've all talked about it. It's so funny
• 38:24
  [Hannah Jungling]: because people bring up the comment a lot, like how do you make a baby
• 38:28
  [Hannah Jungling]: and then give it up? And I'm like, it was never mine to give up. It's
• 38:32
  [Hannah Jungling]: always been Chris and Jose's little girl. So it's just my job to incubate
• 38:35
  [Hannah Jungling]: the little cutie and bring her into the world. So I feel like rationally,
• 38:40
  [Hannah Jungling]: I've been very good on that level. That being said, one of the reasons
• 38:44
  [Hannah Jungling]: we went with this agency is they have a really good counseling program
• 38:46
  [Hannah Jungling]: afterwards. because we're all moms and we all know the hormones that
• 38:51
  [Hannah Jungling]: come in after you give birth. And I want to be prepared for that. I definitely
• 38:56
  [Hannah Jungling]: want to be. And we had, we unfortunately had a lot of heartache the first
• 39:00
  [Hannah Jungling]: half of the pregnancy with some dear friends passing. And just a, it was
• 39:05
  [Hannah Jungling]: a hard, hard fall. And so I'm very aware that that's probably gonna hit
• 39:08
  [Hannah Jungling]: me as well. And so we're gonna be prepared for that. But at the same
• 39:13
  [Hannah Jungling]: time, you know, rationally, like I said, I'm sitting with it very well
• 39:15
  [Hannah Jungling]: rationally. I just. I know hormones are a beast, so I want to make sure
• 39:22
  [Hannah Jungling]: I'm prepared for that when it comes around.
• 39:25
  [Caite]: Do you think it helped the mental part of the process, that it started as an embryo
• 39:31
  [Caite]: and not with your, I mean, not with your egg, but also not with your immediate
• 39:39
  [Caite]: biological involvement in the actually making an embryo, if that makes sense.
• 39:45
  [Hannah Jungling]: I think yes and no. I don't know. I'm pretty good at compartmentalizing.
• 39:54
  [Hannah Jungling]: I feel like from the get-go I just emotionally and mentally understood
• 39:57
  [Hannah Jungling]: it's not my child. And I feel like that part sat, that part sits well
• 40:02
  [Hannah Jungling]: with me. We have no desire to have another child. We feel like we have
• 40:06
  [Hannah Jungling]: a jackpot. I mean she is beautiful and wonderful and she's smart and
• 40:10
  [Hannah Jungling]: she's kind and she's gentle. she's giving, you know, she's just everything
• 40:13
  [Hannah Jungling]: we ever could have wanted for a child. And so we always knew we only
• 40:18
  [Hannah Jungling]: ever wanted one, and I'm sure the next one will be a demon. And so we
• 40:23
  [Hannah Jungling]: just, we sat tight with that. And that was actually the really funny part.
• 40:28
  [Hannah Jungling]: We were going through some of this paperwork and stuff, you know, Bryce
• 40:30
  [Hannah Jungling]: was very adamant as we were talking with our attorney, he's like, but how
• 40:33
  [Hannah Jungling]: do we make sure that this child does not accidentally come to us? Because
• 40:36
  [Hannah Jungling]: we don't want another one.
• 40:38
  [Arlene Hunter]: Don't make us guardians of any kind.
• 40:42
  [Hannah Jungling]: It was so funny, I mean, he was like, no seriously, what if something
• 40:45
  [Hannah Jungling]: goes wrong with our birth certificate and they try to give us the baby?
• 40:47
  [Arlene Hunter]: Thanks for watching!
• 40:49
  [Caite]: Just like, return policy, there is not one. No
• 40:52
  [Hannah Jungling]: Right.
• 40:52
  [Caite]: returns without a receipt, no returns with a receipt. It's your
• 40:55
  [Arlene Hunter]: Yeah.
• 40:56
  [Caite]: problem now, guys.
• 40:59
  [Hannah Jungling]: So it was pretty funny, but no, it's been a really cool process. It's been
• 41:04
  [Hannah Jungling]: super cool. And for the most part, it's gone very smoothly other than this
• 41:08
  [Hannah Jungling]: little hiccup. And I think this was kind of one of the ways the universe
• 41:12
  [Hannah Jungling]: does sometimes, you need to accept how things are going to go and you
• 41:15
  [Hannah Jungling]: need to be willing to adapt and evolve. And so this was definitely not
• 41:18
  [Hannah Jungling]: the plan, but we have been willing to adapt and evolve. And at the same
• 41:22
  [Hannah Jungling]: time, we're going to spend all this time with Chris and Jose. They've
• 41:24
  [Hannah Jungling]: been here since Sunday. and we get to spend every day together and we're
• 41:27
  [Hannah Jungling]: all just hanging out. We've got dominoes on the floor and Tempe's been
• 41:31
  [Hannah Jungling]: ripping up some uno with everybody and we've just been having a good
• 41:34
  [Hannah Jungling]: time.
• 41:36
  [Arlene Hunter]: That's great.
• 41:36
  [Caite]: It feels like a good introduction to parenthood, too. This is kinda...
• 41:42
  [Hannah Jungling]: I think so.
• 41:43
  [Caite]: you know.
• 41:44
  [Hannah Jungling]: Yeah, I really
• 41:45
  [Caite]: About
• 41:45
  [Hannah Jungling]: do
• 41:45
  [Caite]: what
• 41:45
  [Hannah Jungling]: think
• 41:45
  [Caite]: it's gonna
• 41:45
  [Hannah Jungling]: so.
• 41:45
  [Caite]: be like.
• 41:47
  [Hannah Jungling]: Right?
• 41:48
  [Arlene Hunter]: So I know you've said that Emma's dictating how things are gonna go in
• 41:51
  [Arlene Hunter]: terms of the birth, but you know, in like detail wise, is everyone going
• 41:57
  [Arlene Hunter]: to be in the room when she's born, or what are your plans for kind of those
• 42:02
  [Arlene Hunter]: final
• 42:03
  [Hannah Jungling]: Well,
• 42:03
  [Arlene Hunter]: moments?
• 42:04
  [Hannah Jungling]: that's the plan. We're not quite sure about Chris. He doesn't do, we've
• 42:10
  [Hannah Jungling]: been very honest that it's loud and it's messy.
• 42:12
  [Arlene Hunter]: Yep.
• 42:13
  [Hannah Jungling]: And he doesn't mess bodily fluids very well. So Tempe might be holding
• 42:19
  [Hannah Jungling]: his hand in the corner. You know, that's fine.
• 42:23
  [Arlene Hunter]: She's seen birth before,
• 42:23
  [Hannah Jungling]: But
• 42:24
  [Arlene Hunter]: right?
• 42:25
  [Hannah Jungling]: I've seen her plenty of times. She's very, they've been very kind. they were
• 42:30
  [Hannah Jungling]: more than willing to have her in the room with us. Obviously if it's
• 42:32
  [Hannah Jungling]: in the middle of the night and she's not here, you know, we're not gonna
• 42:35
  [Hannah Jungling]: scramble to try to get her here, but hopefully she'll get to be here for
• 42:38
  [Hannah Jungling]: it too. But for now we're planning in the room will be Chris and Jose
• 42:43
  [Hannah Jungling]: and Bryce and me obviously, and Tempe and my mom. So it'll be kind of a
• 42:49
  [Hannah Jungling]: roomful and we're kind of just gauging who, you know, it's ebb and flow
• 42:54
  [Hannah Jungling]: of hopefully one of us are gonna catch her. I think it'd be cool to have
• 42:58
  [Hannah Jungling]: someone in the family catch her rather than, you know, the doctors or the
• 43:01
  [Hannah Jungling]: nurses. But it should be really fun. Yeah, the only one we're a little
• 43:06
  [Hannah Jungling]: concerned about is Chris over there. We might have him sitting in a
• 43:08
  [Hannah Jungling]: chair.
• 43:09
  [Arlene Hunter]: Yeah, you don't
• 43:10
  [Hannah Jungling]: We just
• 43:10
  [Arlene Hunter]: want
• 43:10
  [Hannah Jungling]: don't want him to hit the floor.
• 43:12
  [Arlene Hunter]: to, yeah, don't let the baby or Chris at the floor. Maybe he shouldn't be
• 43:18
  [Arlene Hunter]: catching either. Take him off the list.
• 43:20
  [Hannah Jungling]: Right, right,
• 43:21
  [Arlene Hunter]: Yeah.
• 43:21
  [Hannah Jungling]: right. I think, I think he's going for.
• 43:26
  [Arlene Hunter]: So if this is too personal, then you can skip it or tell me that you're
• 43:31
  [Arlene Hunter]: not going to answer this question. But as a Canadian, I know that here you're
• 43:36
  [Arlene Hunter]: not allowed to pay someone to be a surrogate. And I don't know if money
• 43:40
  [Arlene Hunter]: is part of the arrangement that you guys have, but I'm just curious about
• 43:45
  [Arlene Hunter]: the money side of things, I guess even in terms of, you know, like paying
• 43:48
  [Arlene Hunter]: for medical expenses and all that kind of stuff. How does how does
• 43:51
  [Hannah Jungling]: Yeah.
• 43:52
  [Arlene Hunter]: the financial side work?
• 43:54
  [Hannah Jungling]: So there is a financial side to it. I'll be the first one to say that wasn't
• 43:58
  [Hannah Jungling]: what brought us that direction. It's something we've always wanted to do. It
• 44:02
  [Hannah Jungling]: was something we were actually going to do for some very close gay friends
• 44:04
  [Hannah Jungling]: of ours growing up, or not growing up, but like initially. And they found
• 44:10
  [Hannah Jungling]: out that one of them was infertile and he was the one that wanted to
• 44:12
  [Hannah Jungling]: be biological and they had selected a donor egg and everything. So the
• 44:17
  [Hannah Jungling]: financial part wasn't as big for us as it was. just is something we
• 44:20
  [Hannah Jungling]: want it to do. The financial part definitely helps and like the agency said
• 44:26
  [Hannah Jungling]: Mindy was like the most beautiful balance you find between a surrogate woman
• 44:31
  [Hannah Jungling]: that appreciates the money and uses the money obviously to improve things
• 44:36
  [Hannah Jungling]: that they need to improve in their lives and all that but also is just
• 44:39
  [Hannah Jungling]: compassionate and caring and really just wants to do this. So there's
• 44:43
  [Hannah Jungling]: definitely, yes the monetary side is helpful for sure but... And then they
• 44:48
  [Hannah Jungling]: do cover all the medical expenses and all of that. But that's not terribly
• 44:54
  [Hannah Jungling]: what it's about, if that makes sense.
• 44:56
  [Arlene Hunter]: Yeah, that totally makes sense. Yeah, and just being from somewhere where you're
• 45:01
  [Arlene Hunter]: not allowed to pay someone, it just, you know, I understand the ethics
• 45:08
  [Arlene Hunter]: of that, but you know, as someone who has born children, I also can appreciate,
• 45:13
  [Arlene Hunter]: you know, like, there are something,
• 45:14
  [Hannah Jungling]: Yes.
• 45:16
  [Arlene Hunter]: you are doing something with your body that has value, right? And you know,
• 45:22
  [Arlene Hunter]: that can't be done in any other way. So.
• 45:27
  [Hannah Jungling]: No, and it does definitely take a physical toll. I hadn't thought about
• 45:30
  [Hannah Jungling]: what Katie said earlier, which is such honestly a brilliant statement.
• 45:34
  [Hannah Jungling]: The beauty of, we have three completely healthy individuals after a baby
• 45:40
  [Hannah Jungling]: is born, where normally you have one. And the mother is a bit, it's a process.
• 45:47
  [Hannah Jungling]: Giving birth, it's a big process. And it's strenuous on your body and
• 45:50
  [Hannah Jungling]: it's hard. whether it's natural, whether it's C-section, it doesn't matter,
• 45:54
  [Hannah Jungling]: it is a hard process and your body goes through the wringer. And to
• 45:58
  [Hannah Jungling]: have able-bodied individuals when you're recovering is huge. And I honestly
• 46:03
  [Hannah Jungling]: hadn't even thought about how helpful that will be for all of us as we
• 46:07
  [Hannah Jungling]: kind of get going and get settled with little Emma.
• 46:11
  [Arlene Hunter]: Mm-hmm. I was wondering if the dads wanted to chime in again about what
• 46:17
  [Arlene Hunter]: the plan is. Are they both self-employed? Like, are we both taking some
• 46:23
  [Arlene Hunter]: time off? What does your paternity leave look like in the next
• 46:29
  [Hannah Jungling]: They're
• 46:29
  [Arlene Hunter]: little
• 46:29
  [Hannah Jungling]: getting closer
• 46:29
  [Arlene Hunter]: while?
• 46:29
  [Hannah Jungling]: so you can talk.
• 46:30
  [Arlene Hunter]: Sure.
• 46:32
  [Caite]: I say, Arlene, I want to interject too that Hannah, a large part of my thought
• 46:37
  [Caite]: with that was actually that as new parents, they will have experienced parents
• 46:42
  [Caite]: who are not their parents helping with the baby.
• 46:48
  [Hannah Jungling]: Absolutely. Well,
• 46:48
  [Caite]: Because
• 46:49
  [Hannah Jungling]: and
• 46:49
  [Caite]: that, that being
• 46:51
  [Hannah Jungling]: that
• 46:51
  [Caite]: a
• 46:51
  [Hannah Jungling]: helps.
• 46:51
  [Caite]: first-time parent is a mindfuck, to be
• 46:55
  [Hannah Jungling]: It's
• 46:55
  [Caite]: sure.
• 46:56
  [Hannah Jungling]: a challenge. Yeah, it is. It's a total mind-boggling. It's a challenge.
• 46:58
  [Hannah Jungling]: And they're very fortunate, too, where they're at. Jose has a beautiful
• 47:02
  [Hannah Jungling]: extended family with cousins and sisters and family that are so excited
• 47:06
  [Hannah Jungling]: to help. And Chris does, too. And the amount of support they have is
• 47:10
  [Hannah Jungling]: really incredibly beautiful. It was so touching to be—their baby shower
• 47:13
  [Hannah Jungling]: had like 150 people, I swear to God. There were so many people. And it was
• 47:19
  [Hannah Jungling]: a majority that was family. And it was just so touching to see how much
• 47:22
  [Hannah Jungling]: support they have. It's gonna be a really beautiful experience for them.
• 47:25
  [Hannah Jungling]: But I'm passing it over to them.
• 47:28
  [Caite]: And I feel like I'm scaring them. I hope I'm not. I'm an only child and didn't
• 47:32
  [Caite]: grow up with babies, so being sent home from the hospital, we're like, somebody
• 47:36
  [Caite]: else is in charge and knows what the fuck they're doing, and then they just let
• 47:40
  [Caite]: you take this thing home, and they just assumed that you know what you're gonna,
• 47:45
  [Caite]: like... They assume you'll figure it out, which you will. It'll be fine. But it
• 47:52
  [Caite]: would have been awesome to start out with somebody who'd already done this. That's
• 47:55
  [Hannah Jungling]: Yeah.
• 47:55
  [Caite]: all I'm gonna say about that.
• 47:59
  [Arlene Hunter]: Yeah, so I guess my question was for you guys, what are the next weeks and
• 48:02
  [Arlene Hunter]: months look like? What are you most excited about and what are your plans
• 48:07
  [Arlene Hunter]: with your new little one?
• 48:09
  [Hannah Jungling]: You know, I don't know. I don't know. So like Hannah said, we have tons
• 48:16
  [Hannah Jungling]: of support. We have tons of family. We have so many friends and everybody's
• 48:22
  [Hannah Jungling]: so supportive. And we have Jose's sister, one of the sisters works for
• 48:28
  [Hannah Jungling]: us full time. So she's with us, you know, five out of seven days a week.
• 48:33
  [Hannah Jungling]: And another sister works with us one day. So we always have. We're always
• 48:40
  [Hannah Jungling]: gonna have so much support. I always think back to what Hannah has told
• 48:46
  [Hannah Jungling]: us several times that when they had Tempe, when Tempe was born, they had
• 48:52
  [Hannah Jungling]: all this support at their home. And then at a certain point, everybody
• 48:57
  [Hannah Jungling]: kind of left and they were home alone with a baby. They're like, oh shit,
• 49:03
  [Hannah Jungling]: what do we do now?
• 49:04
  [Arlene Hunter]: Yep, that sounds familiar.
• 49:07
  [Hannah Jungling]: Yeah. And you know what? They made it through and they just took it.
• 49:12
  [Hannah Jungling]: They figured it out and took it day by day. And I think we're going to do
• 49:15
  [Hannah Jungling]: the same thing, you know? So we're just so damn excited and just over
• 49:22
  [Hannah Jungling]: the moon and can't believe this is happening. And I have to pinch myself
• 49:26
  [Hannah Jungling]: to. I just don't.
• 49:30
  [Arlene Hunter]: Yeah.
• 49:31
  [Hannah Jungling]: Yeah, I would. I just I would just add like as far as the. how the next weeks
• 49:36
  [Hannah Jungling]: will look for us. Definitely we'll take in some time off from work. We'll
• 49:41
  [Hannah Jungling]: still be taking some dogs here and there. The main reason we're doing
• 49:46
  [Hannah Jungling]: that is because I want Emma to start feel comfortable with dogs being around
• 49:52
  [Hannah Jungling]: her. Like as far as like barking or crying, whatever it is. Cause even
• 50:01
  [Hannah Jungling]: Hannah agrees, and probably every mom will agree with that. with it is
• 50:06
  [Hannah Jungling]: that your home, you have to make it feel comfortable for her. So whatever
• 50:11
  [Hannah Jungling]: noise, whether it is loud or not too loud, it will be eventually become
• 50:20
  [Hannah Jungling]: like comfort for her. So that's what the next week will look for us.
• 50:27
  [Hannah Jungling]: Busy but not too busy. Enough busy to make some money but not too busy to
• 50:34
  [Hannah Jungling]: make her. feel comfortable if that makes any sense.
• 50:38
  [Arlene Hunter]: Yeah. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
• 50:44
  [Caite]: Sorry, I was just thinking about what a lucky kiddo this is to be born into so many
• 50:50
  [Caite]: families and so many people that love her and worked this hard to make this happen.
• 50:57
  [Caite]: I mean, it's really... The best possible thing a kiddo can have is to have more people
• 51:03
  [Caite]: who love them. And that's...
• 51:04
  [Hannah Jungling]: Yeah.
• 51:07
  [Caite]: What a wonderful thing. So I'd really like
• 51:10
  [Arlene Hunter]: Katie,
• 51:10
  [Caite]: to hear from all...
• 51:12
  [Arlene Hunter]: just one more question, Katie, before we go on. I know that you guys have
• 51:16
  [Arlene Hunter]: probably told Hannah these things lots of times, but what do you feel
• 51:22
  [Arlene Hunter]: about her and the gift that she's giving you? Are there words to put behind
• 51:28
  [Arlene Hunter]: what she's doing for you guys?
• 51:31
  [Hannah Jungling]: You know, for me, I try to wrap my head around this whole, from the very
• 51:37
  [Hannah Jungling]: beginning, how we ended up so damn lucky. Hannah and Bryce and Tempe,
• 51:47
  [Hannah Jungling]: they're all just angels to me. I just can't. I just still don't understand
• 51:56
  [Hannah Jungling]: how we managed to be so lucky. And
• 52:04
  [Hannah Jungling]: we just, we're like, me and Jose and Hannah and Bryce and Tempe, we're
• 52:09
  [Hannah Jungling]: like peanut butter and jelly. I mean, I just, yeah. And I think it, you know,
• 52:17
  [Hannah Jungling]: yet to be seen, but I think it's going to be lasting. I think. And I think
• 52:22
  [Hannah Jungling]: they're gonna be in our lives for a very long time, so. Yeah, I couldn't
• 52:28
  [Hannah Jungling]: agree more. I think we talked every day, so. We're getting a little bushed
• 52:34
  [Hannah Jungling]: up. But.
• 52:42
  [Hannah Jungling]: Sorry.
• 52:42
  [Arlene Hunter]: That's okay. I'm tearing
• 52:44
  [Caite]: I just feel
• 52:44
  [Arlene Hunter]: up too.
• 52:45
  [Caite]: bad that Hannah volunteered for this podcast and then we've just roped all of you
• 52:48
  [Caite]: into it.
• 52:51
  [Hannah Jungling]: I mean, I texted them, I don't know how many times I told them, like,
• 52:56
  [Hannah Jungling]: I cannot find words of how to explain to be thankful to her, to Bryce,
• 53:03
  [Hannah Jungling]: Tempe, you know, it's just like, we're just so happy. There will never
• 53:07
  [Hannah Jungling]: be enough words for me to explain how thankful I am for them. And like
• 53:15
  [Hannah Jungling]: Chris mentioned, they... By now, they're family. They're not even considered
• 53:20
  [Hannah Jungling]: friends or any people that we just met. But they're definitely part of
• 53:28
  [Hannah Jungling]: our family now. And I know it will last forever. We'll eventually come
• 53:36
  [Hannah Jungling]: visit them, or they can go up north and visit us, vice versa. So we're
• 53:40
  [Hannah Jungling]: here. Yeah, we'll keep it up. Where? But we know Hannah hates the cold,
• 53:46
  [Hannah Jungling]: so that's why she ran away from Iowa. So more than that, Google I like
• 53:50
  [Hannah Jungling]: last time we were here towards the end of March, was it? Yeah, I think it
• 53:57
  [Hannah Jungling]: was sometime in March, the fifth week. Yeah, and I just love that because
• 54:03
  [Hannah Jungling]: it was, you know, like we live in the city and it's loud all the time.
• 54:09
  [Hannah Jungling]: We're fortunate that we don't live close enough to where there's too many
• 54:14
  [Hannah Jungling]: cars, but there is enough cars to you can still hear it. traffic all
• 54:18
  [Hannah Jungling]: that and when we're at their farm it was just like peaceful you don't hear
• 54:23
  [Hannah Jungling]: anything but the horses the chickens and but yeah i enjoyed it so i'm looking
• 54:29
  [Hannah Jungling]: forward for more of those days like that and of course sharing it with
• 54:34
  [Hannah Jungling]: Emma and all of them too.
• 54:41
  [Caite]: So, we ask all of our guests, and I'd love to hear from all four of you, if you were
• 54:46
  [Caite]: going to dominate a category at the county fair, what would it be? Any categories
• 54:50
  [Caite]: can be real or made up to ensure that you win. And maybe we should start with Hannah,
• 54:54
  [Caite]: since I think she's the only one who saw these questions ahead of time.
• 54:58
  [Hannah Jungling]: I didn't look at him.
• 55:01
  [Caite]: I never look at him and I'm a co-host of the show.
• 55:07
  [Hannah Jungling]: dominate? What would you dominate? What would I dominate?
• 55:14
  [Hannah Jungling]: I mean, lack of sleep, I could definitely dominate that one. I could
• 55:17
  [Hannah Jungling]: slice that one up.
• 55:20
  [Arlene Hunter]: Well, your horses must
• 55:21
  [Hannah Jungling]: I don't
• 55:21
  [Arlene Hunter]: have
• 55:21
  [Hannah Jungling]: know.
• 55:21
  [Arlene Hunter]: the best hair, so I mean, a certain kind of braid
• 55:24
  [Hannah Jungling]: day.
• 55:24
  [Arlene Hunter]: are you the best at?
• 55:27
  [Hannah Jungling]: Pretty luxurious. It's pretty luxurious. Yeah, I have no idea. I have no
• 55:32
  [Hannah Jungling]: idea. Something with animals, obviously. What do you have Bryce? I think
• 55:38
  [Hannah Jungling]: I would dominate the pie eating contest.
• 55:41
  [Arlene Hunter]: Sweet. Quantity
• 55:43
  [Hannah Jungling]: Yeah,
• 55:43
  [Arlene Hunter]: or speed?
• 55:44
  [Hannah Jungling]: I think. Um, quantity. Yeah, I would wanna enjoy it. Yeah. Definitely.
• 55:53
  [Arlene Hunter]: Yeah.
• 55:55
  [Caite]: What kind
• 55:55
  [Arlene Hunter]: Nice.
• 55:55
  [Caite]: of pie are we talking there, Bryce?
• 55:56
  [Hannah Jungling]: Oh, I knew you were gonna ask that.
• 55:58
  [Arlene Hunter]: Hahaha
• 55:58
  [Hannah Jungling]: Um, probably lemon pie or lemon meringue. I really want a lemon meringue
• 56:03
  [Hannah Jungling]: pie. I, we were thinking about this and nobody will make me one. So
• 56:07
  [Hannah Jungling]: maybe they'll have some in the cafeteria.
• 56:10
  [Arlene Hunter]: Oh, hospital
• 56:10
  [Caite]: If I could
• 56:10
  [Arlene Hunter]: cafeteria
• 56:10
  [Caite]: think of a way
• 56:11
  [Arlene Hunter]: pie
• 56:11
  [Caite]: to ship
• 56:11
  [Arlene Hunter]: is probably
• 56:11
  [Caite]: one,
• 56:11
  [Arlene Hunter]: pretty
• 56:11
  [Caite]: I'd
• 56:12
  [Arlene Hunter]: bad.
• 56:12
  [Caite]: do it, because I love lemon meringue.
• 56:15
  [Hannah Jungling]: Or they have it here in the hospital. So maybe I'll have to go down there
• 56:18
  [Hannah Jungling]: and look. All right, Chris, what do you got? I'm gonna piggyback on what
• 56:25
  [Hannah Jungling]: Bryce said and it's the eating part of it because I just love all the food
• 56:31
  [Hannah Jungling]: at the fair. Whatever it is, fried. Funnel
• 56:34
  [Arlene Hunter]: Yeah,
• 56:34
  [Hannah Jungling]: cakes. I'll eat it. Yeah.
• 56:36
  [Arlene Hunter]: all the fried stuff.
• 56:40
  [Hannah Jungling]: Yeah. Yeah, probably me too, because I love to eat. I
• 56:42
  [Arlene Hunter]: Hehehe
• 56:43
  [Hannah Jungling]: love food. We're very. Yeah, we're very fluid motivated.
• 56:45
  [Arlene Hunter]: Very food focused.
• 56:46
  [Hannah Jungling]: This is why we all get a lot of help. So,
• 56:48
  [Arlene Hunter]: Yeah, that's right. So
• 56:51
  [Hannah Jungling]: anything from you.
• 56:51
  [Arlene Hunter]: are you eating from the cafeteria or are we Uber eating into the hospital tonight?
• 56:57
  [Hannah Jungling]: We- They brought, what, what, last- two nights ago they brought us steaks
• 57:02
  [Hannah Jungling]: and mashed potatoes and all sorts of yummy stuff. Last night we had- Last
• 57:06
  [Hannah Jungling]: night we had Thai, that was fantastic.
• 57:08
  [Arlene Hunter]: Oh delicious.
• 57:10
  [Hannah Jungling]: So, yeah, we've been having a good time.
• 57:13
  [Arlene Hunter]: That's great. So we're gonna go ahead and move into our cussing and discussing
• 57:18
  [Arlene Hunter]: segment. So this is anything goes, it can be from a minor pet peeve to major
• 57:22
  [Arlene Hunter]: societal issues, whatever you want to talk about. And listeners, if they
• 57:27
  [Arlene Hunter]: want to submit their cussing and discussing, you can go to our speak pipe
• 57:30
  [Arlene Hunter]: or our email, they're both in the show notes. You can leave us a voice
• 57:33
  [Arlene Hunter]: memo or send us an email and we'll read it out. Katie, what are you cussing
• 57:37
  [Arlene Hunter]: and discussing this week?
• 57:41
  [Caite]: I hadn't prepared anything, but I'm just gonna wing it. I am not the most emotionally
• 57:49
  [Caite]: adept person. I'm not good at deep feelings. And so when I had my kids, you know,
• 57:58
  [Caite]: people say things like, "'A child is your heart walking around outside of your body.'"
• 58:02
  [Caite]: And I was like, the fuck's the matter with you people? You know, like... It is. You
• 58:09
  [Caite]: guys, I'm... I'm... I love that Hannah's snorting
• 58:12
  [Hannah Jungling]: I'm sorry.
• 58:12
  [Caite]: over here.
• 58:17
  [Caite]: Chris and Jose, I'm so excited for you guys,
• 58:20
  [Hannah Jungling]: it.
• 58:20
  [Caite]: I've never met, so I can't even imagine how excited you guys are. To get to experience
• 58:26
  [Caite]: that, because it's unlike anything else, the
• 58:31
  [Hannah Jungling]: Yeah.
• 58:31
  [Caite]: love that you will feel for your child. And
• 58:34
  [Hannah Jungling]: Thank you.
• 58:36
  [Caite]: now that I've done it for a while, I wish I could go back and experience that
• 58:41
  [Caite]: first. that first experience of it, again, because it's, for me at least, being
• 58:50
  [Caite]: the emotionally stunted little weirdo that I am, I frequently try really hard not
• 58:56
  [Caite]: to think about how much I love my children, because it sends me into a very uncomfortable
• 59:01
  [Caite]: place very quickly. And I'm just so excited for all of you
• 59:09
  [Hannah Jungling]: Thank you.
• 59:10
  [Caite]: to get that. And if it's overwhelming, just don't think about it because it'll just
• 59:18
  [Caite]: break your heart real quick. Because it's... Yeah. Anyway. Um, are- Well, now, how
• 59:26
  [Caite]: are we gonna do this with all four of them, Arlene?
• 59:28
  [Arlene Hunter]: We'll just ask if anyone wants to cuss or discuss anything and they can jump
• 59:32
  [Arlene Hunter]: in. They're pretty good at that. Anybody have anything you want to talk
• 59:35
  [Arlene Hunter]: about? Cussing? Discussing? Hannah, you've got something.
• 59:42
  [Hannah Jungling]: Yeah
• 59:47
  [Arlene Hunter]: You
• 59:47
  [Hannah Jungling]: discussed
• 59:47
  [Arlene Hunter]: must have
• 59:47
  [Hannah Jungling]: plenty.
• 59:47
  [Arlene Hunter]: something
• 59:48
  [Caite]: Hannah,
• 59:48
  [Arlene Hunter]: to
• 59:48
  [Caite]: can
• 59:48
  [Arlene Hunter]: complain
• 59:48
  [Caite]: we see this
• 59:48
  [Arlene Hunter]: about.
• 59:49
  [Caite]: belly real quick before we get off here too?
• 59:51
  [Hannah Jungling]: Ugh!
• 59:52
  [Arlene Hunter]: Oh yeah,
• 59:52
  [Hannah Jungling]: It-it-it-
• 59:52
  [Arlene Hunter]: this is great
• 59:53
  [Hannah Jungling]: Honestly,
• 59:53
  [Arlene Hunter]: for an
• 59:53
  [Hannah Jungling]: it's
• 59:53
  [Arlene Hunter]: audio
• 59:53
  [Hannah Jungling]: like- I don't
• 59:54
  [Arlene Hunter]: medium,
• 59:54
  [Hannah Jungling]: know. It is
• 59:54
  [Arlene Hunter]: Katie. Our listeners are gonna
• 59:55
  [Hannah Jungling]: a little-
• 59:56
  [Arlene Hunter]: love
• 59:56
  [Caite]: Yeah,
• 59:56
  [Arlene Hunter]: this.
• 59:56
  [Caite]: well,
• 59:56
  [Arlene Hunter]: Ha ha.
• 59:57
  [Caite]: awww. Baby.
• 1:00:02
  [Hannah Jungling]: No, she's a good girl, she's just chugging along.
• 1:00:08
  [Hannah Jungling]: No.
• 1:00:08
  [Caite]: Alright, anybody got anything?
• 1:00:11
  [Hannah Jungling]: I just was gonna go off of what Katie said about that first love and I
• 1:00:14
  [Hannah Jungling]: was gonna say I've already warned him about the first meconium poop. That's
• 1:00:17
  [Hannah Jungling]: what I've been hitting him hard for.
• 1:00:19
  [Arlene Hunter]: All the firsts.
• 1:00:23
  [Caite]: I will
• 1:00:24
  [Hannah Jungling]: I
• 1:00:24
  [Caite]: save
• 1:00:24
  [Hannah Jungling]: had nothing
• 1:00:24
  [Caite]: in
• 1:00:24
  [Hannah Jungling]: to burn.
• 1:00:24
  [Caite]: the-
• 1:00:25
  [Hannah Jungling]: Good old tar.
• 1:00:28
  [Caite]: When the girl child was like ten days old, we took her to a young farmers meeting
• 1:00:33
  [Caite]: in a church that for some unholy reason did not have changing tables.
• 1:00:37
  [Hannah Jungling]: Oh god.
• 1:00:37
  [Caite]: And so I was like ten days post C-section and trying to change a baby who was... It was
• 1:00:42
  [Caite]: like the first poop after the meconium where it just looks like they've exploded.
• 1:00:46
  [Caite]: I assume this is a common thing. And I had to change her like in a sink in this
• 1:00:52
  [Caite]: church
• 1:00:52
  [Arlene Hunter]: No.
• 1:00:52
  [Caite]: bathroom. And I... I have never questioned... whether I should have had children before or
• 1:00:59
  [Caite]: after like I did that night. Um, yeah. So, there's that poop. So much poop.
• 1:01:10
  [Caite]: That's a lot of poop. Arlene, what do you have to custom discuss?
• 1:01:14
  [Arlene Hunter]: So since we decided to move this up and have it be our Mother's Day episode,
• 1:01:19
  [Arlene Hunter]: I am going to cuss and discuss or mostly cuss the fact that Mother's Day and
• 1:01:23
  [Arlene Hunter]: planting line up so perfectly so that there's unless it rains and then people
• 1:01:30
  [Arlene Hunter]: are grumpy about the fact that it rains. There's never any chance that Mother's
• 1:01:33
  [Arlene Hunter]: Day is going to be like the relaxing, like go to brunch and get flowers
• 1:01:37
  [Arlene Hunter]: situation that non-farm families apparently get. So I wanna say happy Mother's
• 1:01:44
  [Arlene Hunter]: Day to any of the moms out there who are maybe, you know, making meals
• 1:01:49
  [Arlene Hunter]: for people out in tractors or looking after kids by yourself or on a tractor
• 1:01:54
  [Arlene Hunter]: with your kids, or maybe you could put the kids on the tractor with your
• 1:01:58
  [Arlene Hunter]: partner. You could drive the tractor by yourself and listen to a podcast
• 1:02:03
  [Arlene Hunter]: instead of listening to people ask when planting is done or whatever. Anyway,
• 1:02:08
  [Arlene Hunter]: it's just, we could move Mother's Day to like January or something and then we
• 1:02:12
  [Arlene Hunter]: might actually get a day off.
• 1:02:14
  [Hannah Jungling]: And Ray, those are the best, unfortunately.
• 1:02:19
  [Caite]: I'll say to that if it's someone who is not a mother listening to this, chances
• 1:02:24
  [Caite]: are that you know a mother and you should go do something nice for that person,
• 1:02:29
  [Caite]: even
• 1:02:29
  [Arlene Hunter]: Yeah,
• 1:02:29
  [Caite]: if they're not your mother or the mother
• 1:02:30
  [Arlene Hunter]: do
• 1:02:31
  [Caite]: of your
• 1:02:31
  [Arlene Hunter]: that.
• 1:02:31
  [Caite]: children. It's rarely a bad idea to do something nice for someone.
• 1:02:36
  [Arlene Hunter]: There you go. So.
• 1:02:40
  [Hannah Jungling]: conversation here. I just have a funny little note that I found out about
• 1:02:43
  [Hannah Jungling]: the other day that I think you will find entertaining. So we grow roses
• 1:02:47
  [Hannah Jungling]: beautifully down here which we did not we're not able to grow up north
• 1:02:50
  [Hannah Jungling]: and so I was chatting with I've planted a few and they really just grow
• 1:02:55
  [Hannah Jungling]: beautifully down here but I was chatting with a gal at the flower shop
• 1:02:58
  [Hannah Jungling]: a couple of weeks ago and I was asking her like I need to learn more
• 1:03:01
  [Hannah Jungling]: about how to prune them and keep them beautiful here and all of these things
• 1:03:05
  [Hannah Jungling]: right and I said do you cut them back like in the fall or something and
• 1:03:08
  [Hannah Jungling]: She looked at me and she goes, we're talking about roses, right? And
• 1:03:10
  [Hannah Jungling]: I said, yeah, like roses. And she's like, yeah, so Valentine's Day is
• 1:03:14
  [Hannah Jungling]: the perfect day to cut them down to the ground. And I was like, Valentine's
• 1:03:18
  [Hannah Jungling]: Day?
• 1:03:18
  [Arlene Hunter]: That's a good way
• 1:03:19
  [Hannah Jungling]: Really?
• 1:03:19
  [Arlene Hunter]: to remember.
• 1:03:19
  [Hannah Jungling]: I know, I was like, that's kind of savage.
• 1:03:27
  [Hannah Jungling]: Not highly.
• 1:03:27
  [Caite]: I like that.
• 1:03:31
  [Arlene Hunter]: It's a date you can remember. That's good.
• 1:03:34
  [Hannah Jungling]: Seriously.
• 1:03:34
  [Arlene Hunter]: So yeah, I want to thank everybody in the room for talking to us today. And we
• 1:03:40
  [Arlene Hunter]: I know Katie has already said it and we're both going to say it again. We're
• 1:03:43
  [Arlene Hunter]: so excited for all of you. And by the time this episode comes out, there's
• 1:03:49
  [Arlene Hunter]: gonna be an Emma in the world and we will hopefully be able to share some
• 1:03:54
  [Arlene Hunter]: pictures or whatever you guys are comfortable with sharing with us and our
• 1:03:59
  [Arlene Hunter]: listeners after she makes her appearance. But good luck in the next few hours
• 1:04:04
  [Arlene Hunter]: and days and weeks. And yeah, we're just so thankful that you came on with
• 1:04:09
  [Arlene Hunter]: us today and we're so open to sharing with us. So thank you.
• 1:04:13
  [Hannah Jungling]: Thank you for having
• 1:04:13
  [Caite]: Yeah,
• 1:04:13
  [Hannah Jungling]: me.
• 1:04:13
  [Caite]: thank you guys so much. And I, Hannah, I know I said, but I hope that this is the
• 1:04:18
  [Caite]: most uneventful and boring delivery that could possibly happen, because
• 1:04:24
  [Hannah Jungling]: My last.
• 1:04:24
  [Caite]: I feel like that's really the like, you
• 1:04:27
  [Hannah Jungling]: I'm
• 1:04:27
  [Caite]: know.
• 1:04:27
  [Hannah Jungling]: really hoping so. My last one totally was, but this is just a whole hiccup.
• 1:04:30
  [Hannah Jungling]: I don't know. I don't see. But thank you. We appreciate it. Thank you.
• 1:04:38
  [Arlene Hunter]: Thanks
• 1:04:38
  [Hannah Jungling]: It was
• 1:04:38
  [Arlene Hunter]: everybody.
• 1:04:38
  [Hannah Jungling]: nice
• 1:04:39
  [Caite]: Thanks.
• 1:04:39
  [Hannah Jungling]: meeting you.
• 1:04:39
  [Caite]: Thank you guys so much for coming on.
• 1:04:41
  [Hannah Jungling]: Yeah, thank you.