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Hear evil movie theater mass killer in his own words · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: for the tall rifle. All right. For the guys going
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Speaker 1: theater nine, I'm working on a backboard right now. For
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Speaker 1: that female suspect, it's gonna be a male number black
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Speaker 1: cameo out type outfit. I believe to be wearing event
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Speaker 1: gaff matt and multiple longer. A country will never forget
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Speaker 1: that Aurora police dispatch communication with officers as they describe
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Speaker 1: a suspect and a vehicle inside the Aurora theater shooting
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Speaker 1: a stunning development. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. I remember so well
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Speaker 1: when this happened because one of my very best friends, Christie,
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Speaker 1: who taught me to dive in the swimming pool at
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Speaker 1: the YMCA in Brooklyn from Aurora, and we went on
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Speaker 1: mini mini dive trips. I remember jumping in the first time,
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Speaker 1: holding her hand. And when I heard this, I felt
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Speaker 1: a chill go down my body. My eyes filled up
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Speaker 1: with tears. I just at a theater, in a dark
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Speaker 1: theater where everybody's looking at the screen, and then shots
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Speaker 1: ring out. You hear the police frantic, they don't know
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Speaker 1: what's happening. They're all running there. It was James Holmes,
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Speaker 1: a new development straight out to John Limley, Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, what's happening? Prosecutors have released hours,
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Speaker 1: and I do mean hours, twenty two twenty three hours
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Speaker 1: of video showing the Colorado theater shooter James Holmes interviews
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Speaker 1: with a psychiatrist about this twenty twelve massacre. The videos
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Speaker 1: show Holmes being questioned by William Reid, a court appointed
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Speaker 1: psychiatrist who was charged with evaluating holmes sanity and ability
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Speaker 1: to stand trial. Most of the videos widely reported, However,
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Speaker 1: this is the first time that all twenty two twenty
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Speaker 1: three plus hours are being released to the public. With
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Speaker 1: me John Limley, Crime online dot Com, investigative reporter Karen Stark,
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Speaker 1: psychologists joining us from Manhattan. You can find at Karen
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Speaker 1: start dot com. We're now detective Stephen and Lampley and
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Speaker 1: judge why're and anchor Ashley Wilcot you can find her
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Speaker 1: at Ashley Wilcot dot com. To John Limley, what do
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Speaker 1: these recordings reveal about Holmes's mindset at the time of
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Speaker 1: the shooting. The viewing is rather slow. It's a lot
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Speaker 1: of really just seeing him sitting there with this now
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Speaker 1: for many of us who have been covering the case,
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Speaker 1: that trademark sort of deer caught in the headlights, expression
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Speaker 1: on his face, almost like he doesn't really know where
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Speaker 1: he is and what's going on. However, the psychiatrist read
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Speaker 1: does get to the heart of what was going on
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Speaker 1: in the shooter's mind, and a little bit of it
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Speaker 1: is to do with his absolute distaste for humanity, every
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Speaker 1: person on the planet, it seems, and he was looking
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Speaker 1: to honestly get rid of some of those people through
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Speaker 1: this shooting. Why does he hate humanity so much? To
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Speaker 1: Karen Start, we need to shrink Karen Start psychologists joining
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Speaker 1: us from Manhattan. She's at Karen Stark dot com. Karen,
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Speaker 1: just an utter hatred and really disdain, not even hatred.
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Speaker 1: It's like hatred is actually a very powerful feeling. Disdain
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Speaker 1: as like when you chase down a roach and you
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Speaker 1: kill it and flush it down the commode and you
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Speaker 1: think nothing of it. That's what do you make of this?
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Speaker 1: I make that he has no conscience, has no empathy. Well,
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Speaker 1: you don't have feeling, Nancy's just what you described. You
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Speaker 1: don't have hatred. Then it's just nothing really matters. It's
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Speaker 1: all game. You want to get rid of people, you
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Speaker 1: want to hurt them, you don't personalize them. They could
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Speaker 1: be a whole road of animals. That's in some of
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Speaker 1: the cases we are about people killing animals that are
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Speaker 1: all age. They're just practicing. It's not alive to them.
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Speaker 1: It's just anything. Take a listen to our friends at
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Speaker 1: Kardo TV anchors Colleen Sikoro and Chase Golightly. It's been
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Speaker 1: seven years since the tragic Aurora Theater mass shooting and
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Speaker 1: new disturbing details and what was going through the shooter's
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Speaker 1: mind leading up to the tragic mass shooting that killed
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Speaker 1: thirteen people and injured seventy more. We're getting a look
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Speaker 1: at James holmes psychiatric evaluation. It's several sit downs between
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Speaker 1: him and a judge ordered psychiatrist. KRDO News Channel thirteen's
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Speaker 1: Crystal Story has been digging through to see what we
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Speaker 1: can find out. James Holmes takes a seat in his
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Speaker 1: green jumpsuit. Is that kaiatrist doctor William Reid, who we
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Speaker 1: only see for a second, is there to see if
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Speaker 1: this now convicted killer was sane. You decided that you
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Speaker 1: were a murder that I was going to be guys
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Speaker 1: without any further ado, let's take a listen to the
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Speaker 1: court appointed psychiatrist, doctor WILLIAMS Read speaking with the Aurora
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Speaker 1: Theater shooter James Holmes as the last escape. I don't
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Speaker 1: know what as escapable. I don't read any thoughts. I
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Speaker 1: guess death is the last escape. But you're talking about
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Speaker 1: the what you described as an obsession starting over ten
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Speaker 1: years before and that led to quote the last escape,
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Speaker 1: mass murder at the movies Escape the thoughts for escapism.
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Speaker 1: It was easy depending get out of there. One time.
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Speaker 1: You are hearing there the quarter point of psychiatrist doctor
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Speaker 1: Reid speaking with the Aurora mass shooter who opens fire
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Speaker 1: and a crowded dark movie theater gunning down twelve. And
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Speaker 1: in Holmes's journal he had described the movie shooting the
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Speaker 1: movie Maskers being the quote great escape, the great escape.
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Speaker 1: Guys just released hours and hours of audio and video
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Speaker 1: of James Holmes with his bleached red orange hair calling
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Speaker 1: himself the dark Night k and nightght well the quote
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Speaker 1: dark Night massacred twelve innocent people. You know, just last
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Speaker 1: week I took the twins as a surprise on a
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Speaker 1: Friday night to go see the kid who would be
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Speaker 1: King the new movie about the modern day Arthur, the
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Speaker 1: Modern Day Night from King Arthur's Court. And we were sitting,
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Speaker 1: of course, in their favorites, directly on the front row. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I know my next killing me in the center. And
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Speaker 1: then they are in those seats where you lay all
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Speaker 1: the way back. I'm just looking at up between them
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Speaker 1: and I had my arms over each one of them,
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Speaker 1: and I'm thinking about James Holmes three fourteen and three
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Speaker 1: theaters that Avenue, saying somebody shooting in the auditorium three
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Speaker 1: fifteen fourteen. Hundreds of people just running around six money prisons,
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Speaker 1: jass over here to rescue her hunts You what a
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Speaker 1: guy's shot an inside of Theater nine, good junkie Suter nine.
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Speaker 1: We got another person outside shot in the leg of
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Speaker 1: female hut. They're shot in run nine three eighteen dunks on.
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Speaker 1: Another victim on the north side of the theater in
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Speaker 1: the parkingon. I'm being hold of he's in Theater nine.
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Speaker 1: From what I'm selling inside, I can it sounds like
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Speaker 1: a so sembe two. Get us some damn gas maps
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Speaker 1: from Super nine. We can't get in it. You're hearing
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Speaker 1: mass badlam as Aurora PD race to the theater at
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Speaker 1: the Century sixteen Multiplex. They're in Aurora to try to
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Speaker 1: stop a massacre. They did their best, but twelve people
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Speaker 1: gunned down by the quote dark Night James Holmes. Prosecutor's
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Speaker 1: release audio video of the quote dark Night James Holmes
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Speaker 1: speaking to his psychiatrist listen, I asked briefly about your
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Speaker 1: thoughts the day before the shootings. The day before that,
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Speaker 1: when he started putting together the name Bob and things
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Speaker 1: like that, And I asked, would he had any thoughts
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Speaker 1: as you went to sleep that night that would have
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Speaker 1: been the night of the eighteen things, M well, there
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Speaker 1: wasn't anything dangerous set up at that time, and we
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Speaker 1: talked about it was gasoline when you had the caps
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Speaker 1: on the bottles of prayer, things like that. I guess
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about thoughts you may have had about the
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Speaker 1: mission or about the shooting. I was kind of just
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Speaker 1: another day. Yeah, lots of preview you around you, and
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Speaker 1: I'm not thinking about it, or are your shooting or
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Speaker 1: your preparation. Just that I was going to do a semaphore.
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Speaker 1: The incentiar Joys is the next day, you are hearing
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Speaker 1: the quote dark Night James Holmes talking to the shrink
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Speaker 1: about the night before the mass shooting, and he says,
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Speaker 1: quote Ashley Wilcot, judge, lawyer and anchor at Ashley Wilcott
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Speaker 1: dot com. Ashy says, just quote just another day. It
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Speaker 1: was just another day. Here's something that bothers me about
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Speaker 1: this interview. Not only does he say, oh, it's just
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Speaker 1: another day, nonchalant, no big deal, I'm gonna go kill
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Speaker 1: a bunch of people, but he also talks about the
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Speaker 1: feeling of disdain that he had had. I stand by
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Speaker 1: when I speak about prevention. Someone should have noticed, been
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Speaker 1: aware of the fact that this individual was suffering through
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Speaker 1: delusional thoughts to sdain things that could result in something
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Speaker 1: like what he did. Someone should have said something. We
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Speaker 1: are talking about a stunning release of documents, audio and
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Speaker 1: video and the investigation of the Dark Knight James Holmes.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Holmes speaking to psychiatrist doctor WILLIAMS.
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Speaker 1: Reid explaining why he chose a site so close to
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Speaker 1: a police station, the tactics and strategy. We talked a
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Speaker 1: little about how close the police station was, yeah, fight
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Speaker 1: minutes right, Yeah, And we talked a little about what
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Speaker 1: led you to choose a venue that close to a
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Speaker 1: police station. Can you reiterate some of that for me,
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Speaker 1: or think about that again from I just figured I'd
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Speaker 1: be caught because there was a police presence in that area,
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Speaker 1: but I would still have time to do even the
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Speaker 1: same We talked briefly, and I'd like to revisit it
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Speaker 1: about considering places where you wouldn't be caught, or you'd
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Speaker 1: be less likely to be caught, or you could shoot
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Speaker 1: more people before getting caught. Places not supposed to the
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Speaker 1: police station, right part of it? Whether I was comfortable
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Speaker 1: in the movie. Theater is a place I was used to. Okay,
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Speaker 1: tell me more about that. I hadn't heard about that before. Well,
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Speaker 1: I did all the recon there to get familiar with
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Speaker 1: the ways, whatever. But you could have done recun somewhere
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Speaker 1: else further from a police stage. True, but I kind
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Speaker 1: of decided that was the place to be. You chose
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Speaker 1: a place near a police station. Why do you suppose
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Speaker 1: you chose a place near a police station. I didn't
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Speaker 1: choose it for that reason. I disagree. I think that
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Speaker 1: was one of the reasons you chose it, So I'd
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Speaker 1: like to I'd like you to speculate with me, except
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Speaker 1: for a moment, my hypothesis that at least part of
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Speaker 1: the reason you chose that was because it was close
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Speaker 1: to a police station. Why might you have chosen it
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Speaker 1: close to a police stage. I had no idea think
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Speaker 1: about it for the menu because I wanted to be stopped. Well,
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Speaker 1: he took twelve lies before he was quote stopped. Now
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Speaker 1: listen to kr doot based Crystal story. His eyes are wide,
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Speaker 1: but his voice is emotionless. His zie incendiory devices I mean.
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Speaker 1: He recalls the mass shooting he committed at this movie
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Speaker 1: theater in Aurora, thirteen people murdered, seventy more injured, but
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Speaker 1: in these interviews he doesn't know the difference between them.
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Speaker 1: Did you make any attempt to shoot certain kinds of people? Who? Men, women, big, small?
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Speaker 1: I don't know, just people in the theater. He says.
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Speaker 1: This plot to kill innocent people was meant to be
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Speaker 1: random because it was impersonal and it's something I could
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Speaker 1: actually do. I was more going for the people who
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Speaker 1: were shocked were misfortunate because they're there are like thousands
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Speaker 1: of thousands of theaters and seats, and they were in
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Speaker 1: the long line at the wrong time. His reason for
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Speaker 1: taking the lives of so many. But if you kill them,
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Speaker 1: then you're not dealing with them, ter avoiding them. Just
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Speaker 1: a few weeks later, we find Homes in a different
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Speaker 1: room where he has a lack of empathy for what
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Speaker 1: he did. He was only one amend the rest of
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Speaker 1: an Laden's face, that's okay. The man we see in
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Speaker 1: these rooms is far different from the killer pictured in
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Speaker 1: his mugshot, red hair and wide eyes, but his difference
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Speaker 1: in demeanor didn't change the outcome. Too. Karen Stark Psychologists
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Speaker 1: joining us from Manhattan at Karen Stark dot com. Karen,
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Speaker 1: now that you've heard his voice and you hear him
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Speaker 1: no empathy, it's like he quote didn't want to deal
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Speaker 1: with people. What do you make of it? What's your analysis? Well,
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Speaker 1: that's what I was trying to subscribe to you, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: That's an asset that's such common. If you listen to
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Speaker 1: the tape Bundy takes them for release been recently released,
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Speaker 1: it's the same flash affect, that lack of tone and emotion.
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Speaker 1: I just did it. Maybe it was unconscious that I
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Speaker 1: wanted to be caught. He just doesn't care, that's the
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Speaker 1: whole thing. He's just out there to create as much
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Speaker 1: damage as he can, but without any kind of empathation.
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Speaker 1: It really shows how much feelings have nothing to do
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Speaker 1: with this at all. As they were leaving, he witnessed
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Speaker 1: baby and infant get shot. But yeah, they said gas
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Speaker 1: bombs as they were leaving, and then just gunshots all
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Speaker 1: over the place. He came in and he started lighting
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Speaker 1: a gas can and he threw it into the crowd.
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Speaker 1: At that point, he shot his first fire into the
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Speaker 1: ceiling to scare everybody and they just started scattering and
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Speaker 1: mass chaosks just happened. He pointed the gun at you.
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Speaker 1: Did you see him looking at you? Or was he
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Speaker 1: just pointed the gun directly at my face? I was
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Speaker 1: just terrified and I just jumped into the aisle and
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Speaker 1: just started crying. How far was he standing from you?
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Speaker 1: About four or five feet. It was a few seconds
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Speaker 1: before he started to move, and that those few seconds
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Speaker 1: were when it took best to figure out that he
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Speaker 1: wasn't joking crime stories with Nancy Grace. You are listening
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Speaker 1: to crime stories with Nancy Grace. Our country will never
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Speaker 1: forget that Aurora police dispatch. Listen. I can't hear you.
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Speaker 1: I can't. Oh my stars, take a listen. Unable to
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Speaker 1: find a job, Holmes moved to color At last fall
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Speaker 1: and appeared to be nothing more than a quiet and
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Speaker 1: easy going graduate student. But it was a different Jim
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Speaker 1: Holmes who showed up at the San Diego pawn Shot,
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Speaker 1: where the owner says Holmes sought tips on firing the
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Speaker 1: guns he had planned to use. We carry all of
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Speaker 1: those firearms in stock. Verry specifically remember James Holmes's face
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Speaker 1: last night. Neighbors at his Aurora apartment building, said they
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Speaker 1: heard loud techno music coming from his apartment, with the
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Speaker 1: recorded sounds of gunshots added in. Holmes was already at
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Speaker 1: the theater at the time. What's odd is what really
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Speaker 1: brought up the red flags for us is the apartment
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Speaker 1: complex is very quiet. There's no noise, nothing, and then
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, yesterday night and midnight
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Speaker 1: this morning, music starts about a nowhere. That was kind
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Speaker 1: of odd because no one throws parties from that apartment.
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Speaker 1: And then Holmes apparently attempted to make himself into the
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Speaker 1: Joker character of the Batman series. According to a briefing
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Speaker 1: given to the New York City Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly,
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Speaker 1: he had his hair a painted red. He said he
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Speaker 1: was the Joker. You were hearing our friend at ABC,
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Speaker 1: Brian Ross as he is reporting on the Aurora mass shooter,
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Speaker 1: James Egan Holmes, also known calling himself the Dark Night.
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Speaker 1: He was speaking with David Casper Or the owner of
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Speaker 1: the San Diego Pawn Shot where Holmes purchased some of
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Speaker 1: the weapons and ammunition. To Stephen Lampley, former dutative, what
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Speaker 1: do you make of him decorating himself to be the
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Speaker 1: joker in Batman. I'll answer this guy's obviously as as
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Speaker 1: the psychiatrist said, he's mentally unbalanced, but he's saying I mean,
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Speaker 1: he was saying that he's got some mental, obvious mental
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Speaker 1: issues that he's had back from I think eleven years
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Speaker 1: old when he tried to commit suicide the very first time.
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Speaker 1: He's obviously wanting to. He was into action figures. He
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Speaker 1: was into that, realm into that thing anyway, as he
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Speaker 1: told the psychiatrist, I assuming he was just wanting to
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Speaker 1: portray himself and perhaps go out as that character. Listen
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Speaker 1: to this police a. Holmes told them he was extremely
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Speaker 1: calm throughout the evening because he had taken the powerful
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Speaker 1: painkiller vicodin about two hours before the attack. His final step,
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Speaker 1: police say, was to booby trap his apartment, which they
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Speaker 1: say was so full of chemicals and incendiary devices that
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Speaker 1: it may be days before the bomb squad can figure
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Speaker 1: out how to diffuse them. I see an awful lot
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Speaker 1: of wires, trip wires, jars full of ammunition, jars full
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Speaker 1: of liquid, some things, things that look like mortar rounds.
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Speaker 1: We have a lot of challenges to get in there safely,
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Speaker 1: as with all mass shootings victims and their families are
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Speaker 1: left wondering why. Experts say in such cases, parents often
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Speaker 1: know without specifics that something is wrong. You're hearing the
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Speaker 1: Aurora Police Chief Daniel Oates speaking to Brian Ross at
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Speaker 1: ABC News. He had the place so booby trapped, Karen
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Speaker 1: Start and any plood insanity, He claimed. The defense was
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Speaker 1: insanity here and start. How can you go do rec
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Speaker 1: on at a multiplex? How can you go to the
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Speaker 1: pawn shop and buy all these guns and Ammo? How
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Speaker 1: can you booby trap your apartment to play disorienting techno
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Speaker 1: music with gunshots laid in booby trapping for when the
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Speaker 1: cops finally do get there and be insane? Karen's dark, Oh, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: he was having a bob. This has nothing to do
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Speaker 1: with insanity. He picked the Joker because the Joker was
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Speaker 1: such a deepous character, and this guy was joining getting
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Speaker 1: it over the police, booby trapping and making everybody wonder
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Speaker 1: what was going on. That's not insanity. He knew exactly
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Speaker 1: what he was doing, and he wanted to get as
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Speaker 1: many people as he could, and he wanted people to
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Speaker 1: see him as this ingenious, devious character. That's why he
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Speaker 1: caused him just a joker. To John linly, what more
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Speaker 1: can you tell me about how he dressed up as
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Speaker 1: the Joker and about that arsenal of weapons. Well, there
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Speaker 1: at the theater, you could see none of the joker
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Speaker 1: costume that he had because he was completely covered in
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Speaker 1: essentially tactical riot gear. He was all in black. You
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Speaker 1: wore a gas mask, a ballistic helmet, bullet resistant legging's,
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Speaker 1: throat protector, groin protector, tactical gloves. And he threw these
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Speaker 1: two canisters into the theater as soon as he walked in,
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Speaker 1: And of course everybody thought this was part of a show,
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Speaker 1: that it was part of some sort of sort of
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Speaker 1: publicity stunt for the movie. But then very quickly they
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Speaker 1: realized these canisters of smoke, they are making their eyes
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Speaker 1: burn and their skin itch. He then starts firing, first
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Speaker 1: into the ceiling, then into the crowd. He fired as
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Speaker 1: Smith and Wesson MMP fifteen semi automatic rifle that eventually malfunctioned,
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Speaker 1: so he switched to a Glock twenty two forty caliber.
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Speaker 1: He shot first at the back of the room. One
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Speaker 1: witness said that she was hesitant to leave because someone
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Speaker 1: yelled that you know, someone was at shooting in the
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Speaker 1: lobby two. All said Holmes fired seventy six shots into
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Speaker 1: the theater, six from the shotgun, sixty five from that
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Speaker 1: semi automatic, and five from the forty caliber with me
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Speaker 1: John Linley Crime online dot Com, investigative reporter, Karen Start
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Speaker 1: psychologist at Karen dot com, Stephen Lampley, renowned detective, and
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Speaker 1: Ashy Wilcot judge, lawyer and anchor. You can find her
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Speaker 1: Ashy Wilcott dot com. Take listen to our friends Colleen's
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Speaker 1: Koro and Chase go lightly at Kardo. It's been seven
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Speaker 1: years since the tragic Aurora Theater mass shooting, and new
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Speaker 1: disturbing details and what was going through the shooter's mind
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Speaker 1: leading up to the tragic mass shooting that killed thirteen
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Speaker 1: people and injured seventy more. We're getting a look at
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Speaker 1: James holmes psychiatric evaluation. It's several set downs between him
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Speaker 1: and a judge ordered psychiatrist. KRDO News Chown thirteen's Crystal
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Speaker 1: Story has been digging through to see what we can
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Speaker 1: find out. James Holmes takes a seat in his green jumpsuit.
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Speaker 1: Is that chiatrist, doctor William Reid who only see for
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Speaker 1: a second, is there to see if this now convicted
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Speaker 1: killer was seen? Do you decided that you were a
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Speaker 1: murder that I was going to be? Guys, we are
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Speaker 1: discussing the release of hours of audio and video of
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Speaker 1: the so called Dark Night James Holmes, who massacred twelve.
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Speaker 1: I've been saying twelve, but there was an unborn child
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Speaker 1: who also died, so you sometimes hear the number thirteen
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Speaker 1: at a cineplex in the small town of Aurora, Colorado,
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Speaker 1: sending shockwaves through the country. James Holmes calling himself the
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Speaker 1: Dark Night, dressing up as the Joker that evening in
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Speaker 1: tactical gear. He was armed to the teeth. He had
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Speaker 1: been amassing weapons for some time. Prosecutor's release audio video
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Speaker 1: of the quote Dark Night James Holmes speaking to his psychiatrist. Listen,
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Speaker 1: I think you said you had never fired a gun
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Speaker 1: before you ordered these these reds. Is that? Um? I
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Speaker 1: fairly like a paintball gun, but no like a firearm, Hope,
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Speaker 1: which was the very first one that you fired? The
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Speaker 1: guns that you're going um, it was either the handgun
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Speaker 1: or will celebrate that would have been added buyers or
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Speaker 1: added buyers. Virus was the only that was the only
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Speaker 1: place that something except for this year, So it was
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Speaker 1: a block twenty two. Next one was the shotgun. Next
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Speaker 1: was the second clock or the A the R, the AAR,
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Speaker 1: and then and then the second clock. Right, No other
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Speaker 1: wed friends were purchased, and I believe no more firearm? Right? Um,
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Speaker 1: do you think that you didn't fire any of them
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Speaker 1: until you had the AAR? That depends on when the
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Speaker 1: ammunition came in, because I think I started buying the
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Speaker 1: ammunition after a month the AAR. Okay, did you purchase
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Speaker 1: any ammunition level? Um? Like cartridges, a box of chocoun chills?
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Speaker 1: And I guess, I guess what I'm trying to to
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Speaker 1: understand it is the first time you went to buyers.
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Speaker 1: How many of the weapons did you have a lot
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Speaker 1: of them? Are just a couple of all of them? Are?
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Speaker 1: I would say all of them? So you had all
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Speaker 1: or nearly all the weapons before you fired any of them, right,
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Speaker 1: you know? Karen, Despite the fact that he pled insanity
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Speaker 1: because where else could he go? It wasn't me. Despite
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Speaker 1: him claiming he was insane, after all of these hours
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Speaker 1: of psychiatric interviews, he was deemed to be sane. Karen,
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Speaker 1: start why because he knew exactly what he was doing
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Speaker 1: and he enjoyed it. Nancy, it took months for him
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Speaker 1: to set that up, and it was very dramatic. This
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Speaker 1: was fun for him. This is how he gets us
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Speaker 1: just going out there killing people. He knew what he
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Speaker 1: was doing. We all can see that. We are dissecting
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Speaker 1: hours and hours of audio video of the so called
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Speaker 1: dark Night. James Holmes, the Aurora Cineplex mass shooter, claiming
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Speaker 1: the lies of thirteen, He said, quote he didn't know
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Speaker 1: whether to die or drive away or where he would go.
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Speaker 1: He left it up to the spur of the moment.
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Speaker 1: Then he says he felt quote uncomfortable being handcuffed when
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Speaker 1: police found him. Let's take a listen to the so
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Speaker 1: called dark night in his own words, Among the things
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Speaker 1: that you right as symptoms or things that were happening
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Speaker 1: to you in June and July, in terms of symptoms
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Speaker 1: or brief periods of invincibility, Remember that, Yeah, when I
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Speaker 1: was like driving to the gym and I could of
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Speaker 1: revolt invincibund in my car. Tell me about that, Um well,
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Speaker 1: I just didn't tell me in more than half a sentence.
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Speaker 1: Brief periods of invincibility would usually happen when I was driving,
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Speaker 1: So I go hold the speedlet invincibility and quite context
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Speaker 1: or that I couldn't be hurda in terms of having
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Speaker 1: an accident, during terms of bulletproof, or in terms of superhero,
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Speaker 1: any of those. Right after that, brief periods of Min's
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Speaker 1: ability come up. Actions are in hyper speed. Yeah, time
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Speaker 1: would seems to speed in d way. Tell me what
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Speaker 1: I would just seemed much? I was going places? Faster?
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Speaker 1: Anything faster? How much faster? Twice is fast? Twice is faster?
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Speaker 1: No faster than that? Not too hyperspeedi, I guess, And
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Speaker 1: you're getting it exactly what I was getting at. If
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Speaker 1: I watch a video at twice speed, it looks a
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Speaker 1: certain way, the movements are recognizable. You can figure out
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Speaker 1: what's going on, right, So it would still be the
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Speaker 1: one speed. What it would feel like the hyperspeed. Okay,
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Speaker 1: these audio video recordings just released. But how did we
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Speaker 1: get here? This is an ABC News special report. Least
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Speaker 1: fourteen dead, fifty injured. A lot of those injuries are
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Speaker 1: severe after a lone gunman opens fire in a theater
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Speaker 1: outside of Denver, Colorado, and Aurora. And we want you
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Speaker 1: to listen actually to this cell phone video that's just
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Speaker 1: now coming into the ABC newsroom. This will be the
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Speaker 1: first time that we've actually seen or heard this video,
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Speaker 1: So take a listen. I don't think we're not not
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Speaker 1: moving here. You can hear the penic and hear the chaos.
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Speaker 1: You can see kind of the folks scrambling to get
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Speaker 1: out of almost have been a horrible scene, and it
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Speaker 1: just brings back these memories of Columbine, It brings back
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Speaker 1: memories of Virginia Tech, these other mass shootings that the
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Speaker 1: country has seen in recent years, and just makes you again,
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Speaker 1: as always, wonder what could have been the motivation, Who
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Speaker 1: was this guy, why would he do this? And what
33:52
Speaker 1: appears at this point again to be a very well
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Speaker 1: planned attack, not only because of this explosive device he
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Speaker 1: brought in, this cannist which reportedly could have been tear gas.
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Speaker 1: He came where it came with multiple weapons. He had
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Speaker 1: explosives allegedly back in his apartment. This was obviously not
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Speaker 1: someone who snapped almost spur of the moment. This was
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Speaker 1: someone who plotted this for whatever reason we do not
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Speaker 1: know just yet, but this was someone who deeply intended
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Speaker 1: to inflict harm and take life in so far he
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Speaker 1: was taken fourteen or you're in the third row, and
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Speaker 1: so was he as he's coming? Did he stand there
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Speaker 1: or does he continue to move the entire time? He
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Speaker 1: continued to move, But it was a few seconds before
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Speaker 1: he started to move, and that those few seconds were
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Speaker 1: when it took best to figure out that he wasn't joking,
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Speaker 1: because I did immediately think that he was joking. I
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Speaker 1: thought that the canister that he threw into the audience
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Speaker 1: was like a smoke bomb or like some firework. I
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Speaker 1: thought that the rifle was maybe like a Roman candle
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Speaker 1: that he was shooting off. And then I realized that
34:44
Speaker 1: as you looked at the rifle, it wasn't a piece
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Speaker 1: of flame shooting from the barrel. It was the bullet
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Speaker 1: igniting out of the barrel. And did you then start
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Speaker 1: to ingest whatever was in that canister? No, he threw
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Speaker 1: it behind the lower section of the theater, so it
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Speaker 1: all much rose to the higher the lifted seats um
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Speaker 1: We were really really lucky to not get that in
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Speaker 1: our faces. Eventually traveled down, but at the very very end,
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Speaker 1: and it wasn't as it was diluted at that point,
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Speaker 1: so it wasn't as strong. Did you guys get any
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Speaker 1: injuries at all? Any nothing too big. I just have
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Speaker 1: scrapes and stuff, but nothing like. So you're in front
35:19
Speaker 1: and there I mentioned, there aren't as many people that
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Speaker 1: are as close as you are. People usually sit back.
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Speaker 1: So are you witnessing? Are you seeing what's going on?
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Speaker 1: Are you seeing people falling and people being injured? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: If you as, if you looked back, you could see
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Speaker 1: all the people getting shot. I mean you could see
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Speaker 1: people falling, you know, down the stairs, people you know,
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Speaker 1: kids and women and children screaming. You could hear it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, even though it was really loud and the
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Speaker 1: movie is still going and there's a lot of gunshots,
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Speaker 1: and it was really hard to tell what was happening where.
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you were to looked back, you could
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Speaker 1: see at all. But I came my head down. There
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Speaker 1: was this one guy who was on all fours crawling.
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Speaker 1: There was this girl's spitting up blood. There were bullet
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Speaker 1: holes in some people's back, some people's arms. There was
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Speaker 1: this one guy who was stripped down to like just
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Speaker 1: his box series. It looked like he had been like
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Speaker 1: shot like in the back or something. It was. It
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Speaker 1: was crazy. I'd say we were out fifteen minutes in
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Speaker 1: and there was a chase scene where there was gunfire
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Speaker 1: on screen, and right then, out of nowhere, on the
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Speaker 1: right side of us, we just heard a low, very
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Speaker 1: distinct pop pop pop pop, and you know, my wife
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Speaker 1: jumped and I kind of sat there. I was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: it's probably just really good special effect, you know, sound effect,
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Speaker 1: because my wife said, no, that's really distinct. She said
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Speaker 1: that a man about six feet tall, taller than her
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Speaker 1: kicked through the door and he was in a like,
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Speaker 1: she said, a riot helmet, she said he was. It
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Speaker 1: had a bulletproof vest on, you know. She said that
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Speaker 1: he was completely covered in all black with goggles. And
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Speaker 1: she said that after that point, when she saw that
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Speaker 1: he was holding a shotgun, her and her boyfriend dropped
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Speaker 1: to the floor and just kind of started to crawl
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Speaker 1: to see if they could get away. They got up
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Speaker 1: and they started to run through the emergency exit. Um.
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Speaker 1: She said that when she turned around, all she saw
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Speaker 1: was the guy slowly making his way up the stairs
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Speaker 1: and just firing people, just picking random Karen Stark, this
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Speaker 1: has got to be like salt being poured in the
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Speaker 1: wound of all the victims families. Yet on the other hand,
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Speaker 1: it's public information and the public has a right to
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Speaker 1: know this. But how will this affect the crime victims families.
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Speaker 1: It's hard to imagine that it could be any worse
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Speaker 1: for them than it already is. Natty, I mean that
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Speaker 1: what they can see is that there was no particular
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Speaker 1: reason for why this happened. This was the highlight of
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Speaker 1: this guy's life. He did this, he wanted to create
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Speaker 1: this sensation, and unfortunately for them, their family was part
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Speaker 1: of a plan that had nothing to do with human beings,
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Speaker 1: with continued life, with a love of life, and it
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Speaker 1: was just terrible, terrible agony and misfortune that they were
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Speaker 1: a part of this. Nancy Race Crime Stories signing off
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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,