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Atheist believes in Souls, UFO Aliens, Bigfoot, Multiverse, Chemical Moral Values By Brett Keane · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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Well, hello ladies and gentlemen.
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My name is Brett Keen and you are watching and listening to
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the Brett Keen show. I hope everyone's doing well
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today. Today I have been asked to get
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this going because some people out there want to have
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discussions, conversations. So let's do it.
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Looks like we got somebody here named Drewski.
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Hey, Brett, can you hear me OK? Are you getting any feedback or
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anything? Sounds like there might be a
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little that wanted the soup in there, but you're doing OK now.
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I'm doing all right. First off, I just got to say, I
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don't know if you'll be offended by this, but whenever I hear the
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Brett Keene Show, I just think the Tom Green Show.
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Has anyone ever said that, Well, it does kind of rhyme, but is
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Tom Green even still around? No, but it's just, you know, my
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childhood. I grew up watching the Tom Green
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show. I just, I just see your channel
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sometimes and I'm like, this is the Brett Keen Show.
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It's not the Keen Brett Show. Do you remember that song?
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No, I don't remember that the, the actual show which is on the
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radio is GOD TV Radio. And my buddy Johnny always says
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to me, he goes, why do you call it GOD TV radio?
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Because you don't always talk about God and religion.
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And he said, why don't you just call it the Brett Keene Show?
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So it's, it's typical, you know? Oh, hey, I got to ask, are you
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okay with cursing on this? Sure.
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OK, All right. Why is that?
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No, it's just, you know, I got me some E&J here and, you know,
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just naturally when I'm hanging out, I just got a potty mouth, I
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guess. Oh, it's all good.
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Well, if you're going to do a GOD TV radio show and have
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people from all around the world come in with different views,
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you can't expect everybody to soup down to your way of doing
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things. Besides, I don't have the nicest
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mouth myself. All right, well, there's
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something I wanted to ask you about.
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Is it OK if we get into it right away?
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Well, depends on what the topic is.
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Sure, it's a political topic. You, you talk politics, right?
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Well, I talk about how I complain about them, and I
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talked about how I'm not happy with conservatives or liberals
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on a lot of issues, that kind of thing.
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So you would describe yourself as like a centrist or wouldn't
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know what a good political label is anymore.
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I used to really, really care about what was going on.
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Now I feel like everything said to me is usually a lie or
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exaggerated okay. My question is I don't, I don't
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know if you know about this because it's pretty low key, but
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it's it seems to be like rising and maybe it could be a problem
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in the future. It seems like a lot of
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Republicans are passing anti pornography legislation and
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there are some Republican politicians that say they just
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want to outright ban Internet porn.
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Have you heard about this and what do you think about it?
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Well I heard that one of the major issues on one why they
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want to do this is it's if you look at the stats on this and
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I've done a couple videos about it, a lot of these countries
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that are mostly in the political leaning of as well as have the
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world view of atheism. They have the highest child porn
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distribution of all countries out there according to atheist
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countries. You got Denmark that is actually
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where they started their first they invented the first child
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porn magazine, atheist country. I'm not aware of this.
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I might have to look this up just for the facts because you
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know I because you know I brought this topic up out of
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nowhere and you know I might say some things without direct facts
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to back them up but I find it hard to believe.
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I thought those Scandinavian countries were pretty good about
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most things, but that's something I'm going to have to
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research in the future. Well, it's not just that.
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Besides the highest child porn distribution in the world, they
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had the highest substance abuse, which means they are most likely
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to be doing drugs, alcohol and all that.
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And the worst of all is they're high.
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They are highest statistic for suicide in the world.
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You can take all the religions combined, and they wouldn't even
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come close to being half as many as the atheist countries out
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there with it. Hey Joe, how are you?
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You're welcome to come in if you'd like to chat.
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But yeah, I've I've got a couple videos up there where I show all
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the sources and all that. I'd like to say something about
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that, though, because I don't. I don't know what correlations
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might deal with, you know, Scandinavia having higher
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suicide rates, but I just know don't I've heard this all my
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life, Don't people get more depressed in the winter?
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And couldn't maybe the Scandinavian climate and, you
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know, just area of the world just be more of a factor in
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that? I don't know.
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I'm not sure. I don't know.
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So you think it might be where you're at on the planet or
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something like that? Well, yeah, I just heard, you
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know, like there's like, it's dark and gloomy in the winter
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and people just get depressed in the winter time more often.
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So I don't know. That might have something to do
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with it. But yeah, going back to the
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issue though, don't you think banning porn, doesn't that just
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create a black market? And isn't there just more
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opportunities? Like, I I think more child porn
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and illegal things of that nature might become more
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prevalent if we outright ban it. Well, that's that's usually the
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argument of everybody out there. That's got an agenda though,
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isn't it? If you shut us down, we'll just
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get stronger. We'll get more powerful.
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That's what they say about why they lost the drug war back in
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the 80s. As far as I'm concerned, though,
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I think it's a bad idea to try to remove adult consenting corn.
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If adults want to look at other adults doing that, it's their
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right. I personally think it'll damage
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them in a lot of different ways, but I'm not going to tell
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somebody what they can look at or what they can talk about on
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that okay. That's respectable.
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I appreciate that. I oh, I'm sorry, I forgot to
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turn my notifications off. Did you hear that crap?
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Yeah, it just sounded like a little dog with a bell leash or
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something. It wasn't that rough.
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Oh, my. My notification for my phone.
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It's like the Power Rangers, like, you know, the
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communicators that go, yeah, that's how that's really a lot
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of how my position works. I'm totally against abortion,
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yet I'm not going to stand out in front of the clinic and tell
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somebody what to do with themselves on that.
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I will express until I'm blue in the face how you know,
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disgusting I think something is. But I'm not going to stand in
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somebody's way if they ultimately choose with their
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free will what they're going to do.
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Yeah, I I got something to say about abortion personally.
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Me, I am an atheist and everybody thinks these, these
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pro-life people are all crazy Christians.
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I wouldn't call myself pro-life. Like I I would say that abortion
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should be legal, but personally I think it's immoral in in most
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cases. You are the 5th atheist in my
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entire existence who has been standing up against abortion.
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The fifth one I got a friend named Adam who was a former
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atheist for many years. Literally in the last few weeks
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he's changed over to being a theist and that he said that he
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believes it's murder and people like that should be put in
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prison. What's your thoughts on and how
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extreme do you got? I wouldn't necessarily call it
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murder. I I would say that it when it
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comes down to it, people don't think about it this way.
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When if you were to ask somebody what is abortion, you would you
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would get many answers across the spectrum.
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But if you simplify it, abortion is a medical procedure.
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I in my opinion, it should be regulated by the medical
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community. But me, my thought process is
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even though the fetus might not be sentient, it might not have a
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mind of its own, yet it still has its own DNA.
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Like it's like if you choose not to abort the fetus, that DNA,
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like it's it's not like a Rubik's Cube that's going to
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form into something when it's born.
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Like all of the genetic traits are going to, you know, go
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throughout the whole life as soon as it starts gestating.
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So my thought process is it's like, what if, what if we could
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do genetic tests on fetuses? Like, what if somebody's like,
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oh, my kid has the gauging, I want to abort it or oh, my kid,
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oh, they're gonna, they're gonna have black hair.
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We're gonna keep trying until they have blonde hair or
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something like that. Like, I don't know.
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It's just I I think it's a person, but they don't have
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sentience. So it's it's not completely
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immoral, but I'm. I still am uncomfortable with it
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in most cases. Well, whether you believe it has
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a lot of experiences or intelligence, you believe what
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is being killed. Terminated is alive, right.
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Yeah, of course it's alive. Yeah.
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Well, shouldn't that be enough that something is alive?
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Yeah, I know, that's why. That's why I think it's a moral
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and it's a unique being. But I wouldn't want to pass any
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legislation against that, because what what tips the
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scales in my morality to be like this should be outlawed is when
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the fetus has some a certain stage of development.
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Where maybe there's things going on in the brain because, you
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know, mothers, they always, you know, play music, you know, on
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their stomachs and they say, oh, they can hear things and you
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know, they kick and stuff. But you know what?
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At the end of the day, I'm not a doctor, so I'm not going to try
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to think up of the perfect time the medical community is who
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should be regulating it. But I do at the end of the day,
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think it should be legal in some form.
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Well, like I told you earlier, even though I'm completely
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against it, I'm not going to stand in anybody's way if
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somebody thinks that there. Have you ever heard of a trans
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abled person before? No.
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They're people who fantasize about having their own limbs cut
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off. Some of them even think it would
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be arousing to have their head removed, even though it's
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explained to them they die. But there's people out there who
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actually fantasize about being disabled.
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Strange, isn't it? I've heard of body dysmorphia.
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I don't know if that's the proper term.
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I don't. I'm not a big expert on these
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things, but I I've heard, you know, there's some people who
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are like it. It just feels unnatural for me
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to, like, have my right arm. Like, it's it's unnatural.
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I don't like it. Like my life would feel like I
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would feel at ease if the arm were removed.
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I've. I've heard about that.
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But those are like really rare cases.
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Like, there's so many rare cases of weird things that us humans
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do. Yeah.
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There's been a few cases where some of these people have
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actually attempted to do it themselves.
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There's been incidences that. Let me let me ask you something
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before I get into any of that stuff.
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If somebody does have this issue where they want to lop off a
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limb or something because they're not comfortable with a
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body part or whatever, do you think that that's morally right?
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I don't know if it's morally right or I don't know if this is
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a moral issue. Maybe they could get a proper
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diagnosis because like I said, there are things like body
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dysmorphia. Where excuse me, where?
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I don't know, cuz I'm not an expert on this, it it should be
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left up to the medical community.
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Well what if you're one of your family members or a good friend
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came to you one day and said, look, I've got ants all over my
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arm, they're biting me. I don't like the IT feels so
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uncomfortable. Have my arm and they want it
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chopped off. You wouldn't try to say maybe
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there's something wrong with your brain.
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Yeah, of course I would. I would explore all the avenues,
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you know, talk to psychologists and psychiatrists.
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I don't know the difference between the two or, you know, a
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medical neuro specialist. But maybe if like in the end if
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maybe that's the only thing that could put their mind at ease.
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Like if as we exhausted every possibility, then I would just
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be happy that they finally got some relief.
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Do you feel the same way about folks who will turn around and
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say not only do I want to do something to myself because
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there are people who are suicidal as well as homicidal
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person says that they want to go do that to other people because
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it makes them uncomfortable who those people are at the moment.
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I'm sorry I I don't understand the question.
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What if a person turns their desire that they have for
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themselves on to other people instead of wanting to cut
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themselves up they decide they want to go cut up.
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You know whoever they can get a hold of.
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Would you be OK with that? Well of course not.
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You know everybody should have their own bodily autonomy.
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You know, I I actually think it's a little bit immoral to for
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parents to Pierce the ears of their children.
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Like that's a traumatic experience and the children
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doesn't really have, the child doesn't really have any say in
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the matter. So yeah, of course I'm against
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that. I was just curious.
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I've been seeing a lot of different stuff about.
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I don't know if you've seen some of my videos on people who've
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been detransitioning where they they don't what transgenders.
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Yeah, going backwards, basically going back to their original
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biological position. I've heard statistics, I I
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couldn't quote it offhand, but I've heard that it's a really
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low number of people detransition like maybe below
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1%. But that's why we just need in
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America. Here, I'm just speaking as an
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American. We need proper medical care and
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psychological care. I just don't think, yeah, maybe
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in those cases where people detransition like they just
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didn't have proper medical care, well, that's something to think
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about for sure. Let me throw another question
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that you see what you think about this.
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Let's say that the country were to set up a vote system where
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people could vote if they wanted suicide clinics and every state
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of the United States of America, which meant all the way from 12
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years old and up, if you decided you did not want to exist, you
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no longer have to hang yourself or shoot yourself, you can just
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go to the clinic and they'll cancel you like they do fetuses.
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What would you say about that? Well, I I don't even.
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First off, I don't, I don't believe there should be too many
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different types of special clinics like, even like abortion
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clinics, Like why doesn't that just happen at the hospital?
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But to like as a medical procedure that you could pursue.
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I would think maybe I I would I would say only case cases of
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euthanasia like where where somebody has like a an incurable
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debilitating condition where that's it would be a mercy.
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I would I would be okay with that.
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Sorry about that my mic kind of not my mic but my mouse locked
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up. Did you have you been checking
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out this kind of stuff in the news?
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This is a I I'd like to hear your view on this where some
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people think it would be a good idea to make white people
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extinct. This guy says abolishing.
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He says that whiteness is a cancer and white people should
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be decimated. What your thoughts are now I I
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just think that's ridiculous in in my view.
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I would say that like maybe 200 years from now, we're like we're
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a global society. We're all just going to mix into
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one ethnicity anyway. So I I just think that's
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ridiculous. It's true.
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It's true. I think if we all were to go get
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our DNA checked out, none of us are pure breeds.
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I know for a fact that I'm a bit of a soup myself.
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I got a little bit of everything.
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Of the ingredients. Yeah, because did you know that
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originally Native Americans didn't have the gene for facial
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hair that was introduced when Europeans first came over?
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Well, that would explain one of my issues.
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And I've always wondered what the deal is.
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There's spots on my face that won't grow hair.
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Like, for instance, my, my beard does not connect to my goatee.
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I had to grow my mustache really long to make it appear as though
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it's actually connected. So you're saying it's like a
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what? What do I got to have in me
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native Indian, you said because I got Cherokee Indian in me.
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Oh, yeah. It's just all of the cultures of
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the Americas, I'm pretty sure. Because.
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Yeah, even like if you like, if if you look at, you know, quote
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UN quote, Hispanics, you know they they tend to have less
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facial hair. Like I I am Hispanic and I
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noticed like people's beards go up way higher or they might be a
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little bit thicker than me, like a Hispanic person, quote UN
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quote. Like those are people I believe
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who are just Native Americans mixed with Spaniards.
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So I think we we don't grow the best beards.
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Oh, here's another weird topic I've been looking at.
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You just taught me something new.
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Sir, I will tell you that I've always wondered why my face
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don't connect properly. I always just figured it was
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because I was ugly. But now I got a reason, like a
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genetic excuse. So this right here is talking
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about that transgender activists wanted to wear all children to
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be placed on puberty blockers until they decide their gender.
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How do you feel about that? All children.
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That's absolutely ridiculous. There's there's a fringe those.
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I think those people are fringe people.
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I don't think that's a good amount of people.
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But there's a fringe of of Americans or just people in the
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world who think that humans are just blank slates and like, oh,
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gender, you know, all of our societal things.
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Like people say you have to be one way.
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But I don't believe that. Like, I would say that there are
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definitely difference between the sexes.
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I'm I'm sick of gender. I don't know why people care
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about gender. But sexes 2, the two different
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sexes are different. Like we have different, we have
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different biologies. We have different levels of the
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hormones and they affect us in a certain way, but it does not
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define you. So like, I don't know.
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I just think people are too obsessed with gender, even
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transgender people. Like, I don't know why you even
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care. Like, personally, I know people
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would find this very insulting because I would kind of describe
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myself as a progressive guy, but I hate, I hate it when people
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need to find a group to identify with.
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I am a this like, I am a man. I am a woman.
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Like it's it doesn't really matter.
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Sure, like the sexes have little small differences that could
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affect you, but it's it doesn't mean you have to dress a certain
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way, doesn't mean you have to act a certain way.
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And I just think we just got to let that crap go.
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Yeah, it's really unusual. All my time of growing up in
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this world, being born in 1976, I remember having so many
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friends where I didn't know that they were even homosexual unless
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they said something. People didn't dramatize
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sexuality so much, but nowadays it seems like they say they want
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to adapt and be normal in society.
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But how can you do that if you're like going down a parade
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and making love to a imitation of Jesus Christ and right in
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front of children? What is that?
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What does that even mean? Yeah, people just get too
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obsessed with labels in every fashion.
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I would say that I forgot what I was.
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I'm going to say I'm sorry, I'm drinking too much E&J here.
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No, it's all good. My brains aren't oatmeal anyway,
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so it's all good. I have you sipping on anything,
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Brett. I'm sipping on some hot coffee,
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and earlier I had me some hot sauce wings.
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I think my wife went a little bit extreme on the sauce, so my
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tongue still on fire. Was it any particular brand?
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I think she got it from Walmart. Yeah, it's this Walmart hot
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sauce chicken. Nothing fancy.
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But boy, oh boy, the old tongue just isn't doing what it's doing
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anymore. You were you were saying in the
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beginning of the conversation. I always like to keep things
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kind of going. But yeah, he said.
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You don't like the idea of abortion.
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And you see that there's obviously value if there's
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experiences in some form of intelligence or interaction
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there. You did point out that you
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believe the living being, even as small as it is, can still
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fuel the vibes of what's going on in reality, right?
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Not necessarily, I would I say when when they reach a certain
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point of development, but I don't know what that development
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is. I'm not a doctor.
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Well, you've heard some of the arguments from people who are
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for it and all that. How do you feel about them
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saying because it hasn't had any experience or hasn't really
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thought anything to the extreme, it's okay.
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Does that mean that if we were, you and I were in a nursing home
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right now next to a paralyzed victim who can't speak or react
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or feel the same way? We can, but that means that we
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would have the right to abuse them, or even killed them.
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Of course that would be wrong, but that's a little bit
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different. Those are people who live long,
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full lives already. So what if the the person's a
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senior citizen? They don't even know who they
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used to be. They don't even know their own
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name anymore, does it? Yes, but they still have a body
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and they still feel pain. They they know what bad things
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are. Their brains know what bad
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things are. So I that would be completely
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immoral in my view, right? So just because someone's
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unconscious or paralyzed or maybe never even waking up
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again, it's not the greatest idea to just assist them and
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termination, whether they approve of it or not, right?
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Well, don't we have the technology to monitor brain
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activity? Because, you know, sometimes
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they say, oh, this person is brain dead, their neurons aren't
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firing in a way, a conscious person, neurons are firing.
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I think it's completely okay if, you know, a person is clinically
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brain dead, no higher activity. I think it's okay to to end
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their life and maybe use their or their organs to maybe save a
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child's life. Who is in danger of a need of a
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transplant. Yeah, I can agree with that.
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But what if you were to be told that this person's brain will
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begin functioning definitely at nine months?
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Well, if it will, we'll wait nine months.
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And if it doesn't happen, maybe it'll never happen.
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So maybe we should just like what?
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I don't know. Why keep a vegetable like who
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has no brain activity, like alive?
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Like, I I don't see the thought process behind you are a fan of
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Star Trek. Oh, I love Star Trek.
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I grew up as a Star Wars kid and I always thought Star Trek was
36:09
boring. But I grew up and I actually
36:13
start, actually, because a lot of Star Trek fans criticized
36:18
these big Hollywood movies. You know, a lot of Star Trek
36:21
fans criticized the 2009 JJ Abrams Star Trek movie.
36:28
Like, oh, it was too actiony. It was too this or too that.
36:31
But that's what got me interested.
36:33
I'm like, oh, OK, Star Trek, like, there's going to be a big
36:36
thing. Like, I'm going to check it out.
36:38
I checked out the Original Series.
36:40
And yeah, I I love the movie. Even though, like now, with
36:45
hindsight, now that I've watched The Original Series and The Next
36:49
Generation, yeah, JJ Abrams probably wasn't.
36:53
That wasn't the best version of Star Trek.
36:55
But I still like it and I appreciate it for introducing.
37:00
That's good to hear. It sounds like you've had quite
37:03
the education on the Star Trek for sure, so you did watch the
37:07
older ones. There's a reason why I brought
37:09
it up, not just because I wanted to hear a fellow fan of Star
37:12
Trek, but I was wondering if you had ever seen the movies with
37:16
William Shatner. There's one in particular I was
37:19
going to bring up. See what you think I know of the
37:23
movies. I only watched the 1st 2
37:27
original series movies, but I'm online like I'm a big film
37:31
fanatic. I I I hear people talking about
37:34
the movies all the time. I know I got to watch them but
37:37
there's just too much stuff to watch and our modern times like
37:41
you could watch any movie ever and but yeah I should watch them
37:46
but which film were you talking about.
37:48
I believe it's called The Undiscovered Country or the
37:51
Final Frontier something to that effect.
37:54
It's after the whale 105 that's that's the that's the final
38:00
front. I I don't.
38:02
The Undiscovered Country is the 6th 1 and that's the last
38:05
original cast one. See.
38:07
Like I haven't watched them, but like I know a lot about them.
38:11
Well I forget exactly what the name is but I know it's like the
38:14
5th or 6th one. I'll I'll I'll run it by the
38:17
plot and then you'll probably know what I'm talking about.
38:20
It's the one where they believe that they're being summoned by
38:25
an alien that refers to itself as God.
38:30
Yeah. Yeah that's that's the fifth
38:32
one. I it might be called the final
38:35
frontier. It's something along those
38:36
lines. Well, and if you remember, it's
38:40
not so much that the God part of the movie that really gets to
38:43
me. It's a guy who's claiming to be
38:45
Spock's brother as well as being a prophet of the Vulcan society
38:50
or whatever. And he was banished.
38:53
Well in the movie, he shows Captain Kirk, Bones and Spock
38:57
what it was like in their worst memory they've ever had.
39:01
You know, he does this thing where he brings them to peace.
39:04
Well, you end up finding out that Bones, apparently his
39:08
biological father was dying and his father requested for him to
39:13
pull the plug on him. Well, Bones of course tries and
39:17
tries to fight, but they don't come up with a cure and he ends
39:20
up putting his father down, but he never forgives himself.
39:24
They never told Kirk or Spock about this because two months
39:27
after he put his father down there, a cure was found.
39:31
The planets ended up finding a cure, and he was never able to.
39:35
He felt like he killed his father for no reason.
39:38
You see that one? I did not.
39:40
Like I said, I only saw the 1st 2:00.
39:42
But I know a lot about the movies.
39:44
And Spock's brother's name is Cyboc.
39:47
I know that. But I did not know about the
39:49
McCoy plot. That's very interesting.
39:52
I would have to say that, like you said, it was two months
39:58
later. They found a cure.
40:00
Yeah. Like it looks like a couple
40:03
months. The idea was, is that he
40:06
basically, if he would have waited a little bit longer, he
40:09
would have been able to save his father from a a condition at the
40:13
moment they thought was permanent.
40:16
Yeah, I would. I would say, well, McCoy is the
40:21
doctor. Like I said, I'm not a doctor,
40:24
but I would say like who knows if his father would have been
40:30
have survived 2 months? What if?
40:32
What if he survived a month and two weeks and just suffered that
40:37
whole time and it wouldn't have been worth it anyway.
40:39
So like who's? Who's to say with these what
40:42
ifs, you know, like what if this, what if that.
40:46
I hear you, I hear you. It's just that it's interesting
40:50
because we've got a lot of people out there.
40:52
They're so quick to. You sound like a reasonable
40:55
person who really puts a lot of thought in the stuff, but some
40:58
people are so quick to make permanent decisions with their
41:01
body or to others without putting any kind of rationale to
41:05
it. And I get reminded of that by
41:08
that movie. You know, if you just waited a
41:10
little bit longer, it's kind of like that thing.
41:13
Instead of jumping off the bridge, just give it a little
41:15
bit longer. Things tend to change.
41:18
There's always something that comes your way.
41:21
Yeah, that's what's so great about Star Trek.
41:23
It's so subversive and it makes you think about these things.
41:27
But I do have to say though, that, you know, with the limited
41:32
scientific knowledge of their time, like Star Trek is a little
41:36
bit limited, by the way. Like, you know, with our current
41:41
technology and, like our current ideas of science, we could say,
41:46
like, why didn't Doctor McCoy just cryogenically freeze his
41:50
father and then wait for a cure? Yeah, that's that's absolutely
41:57
perfect. And then that in those movies
42:00
they actually had the ability to put themselves to sleep for a
42:04
long time in chambers and all that.
42:06
That's a good point. Chaotic innovator says kids who
42:10
experience symptoms of gender dysphoria should be put on
42:13
testosterone blockers. Yes.
42:16
Why is that? Because according to the medical
42:18
field, which Drewski's already said that he pays attention to
42:21
what they say. They say that gender dysphoria
42:24
people usually in their adult teens, end up getting away from
42:29
that and they are able to contain themselves in their
42:32
position on where they how they were born.
42:35
So if it's not something that's permanent, then why the rush to
42:39
put the kids on pills? I was responding to some person
42:46
out there. If it's not permanent, like you
42:49
said, you know, with the other topic, you said, you know, just
42:52
let it go on and let the life be what it is.
42:55
If gender dysphoria is not crippling and it's not something
42:59
that's permanent, why not just let it pass and let the the
43:02
child's brain develop into what it's going to develop?
43:07
Yeah, I I just think that a new light has been shed on this
43:11
topic. I think, well, I I do have
43:15
limited knowledge, but I do think more research needs to be
43:19
done. We need to definitely do more
43:21
research. But I know people are going to
43:23
come at me. But like, I I would say that
43:26
gender dysphoria, and I wouldn't even call it gender dysphoria
43:29
because in my opinion, gender is a social construct.
43:35
Sex. Like, I understand, like if if
43:38
if you have some kind of body dysphoria like, oh, like having,
43:42
you know, testosterone in a penis, like it feels wrong.
43:46
Like, I get that. But I would just say that it's
43:51
not a high priority because it it affects so little people and
43:58
there are effective treatments for the people that it does
44:01
affect. Like, of course, like maybe
44:03
someday we could prevent it entirely.
44:06
But I would say like definitely do more research, but we got to
44:11
not put 100% into that. Like there's other things we got
44:15
to worry about. How do you feel about this?
44:19
If Americans were to get an extra bonus with their taxes,
44:24
but they were to fill out a survey on the things that
44:26
they're willing to endorse with their taxes and what they're
44:29
not, do you think that should that would be fair for you to be
44:32
able to pick what your taxes go to?
44:36
Oh hell yeah dude, that would be awesome. 0 To the military and
44:42
put all my money into education and the medical side because
44:51
we're wasting so much money with the military.
44:54
Like, why do we need to have hundreds of military bases
44:57
across the world? Like if if Russia had military
45:01
bases across the world, people would be like, Oh my God, blah,
45:04
blah, blah. And they wouldn't shut up.
45:06
Like. And you know like I've heard
45:09
that the the Pentagon has failed so many military audits and
45:16
they're they're stories like where like.
45:19
Like little machining parts and stuff like that might cost $25.
45:25
It's like, oh, it's $10,000 and they just it's it's all just a
45:28
racket. So yeah, I did.
45:30
There's definitely some things I do not want my money going
45:33
towards. And I, as a taxpayer paying
45:37
taxes since I was working like all my money with like the
45:42
majority of my money went to the military.
45:45
Like, I I I don't like that at all.
45:49
Yeah, I don't like it either. They're trying to get it to
45:51
where at least in America, where people are paying for people to
45:55
do this, what they call health, you know, for themselves to
45:59
remove body parts and limbs. And I know what you said
46:02
earlier, but it's such a small statistic of people who are
46:06
detransitioning. Well, it seems like it's within
46:09
the last five years at this like epidemic is exploded where
46:14
everybody seems to feel like there's something else or
46:16
they're not even a human anymore.
46:19
You got other kins who think they're animals, people who
46:22
fantasize about being disabled. I think that you're right.
46:25
I think that they should do more therapeutic stuff.
46:28
They should research it more before we start pulling out the
46:31
butcher knife. Yeah, I would definitely say
46:35
stuff like other kin is fucking ridiculous.
46:39
Like those the people who claim to be other kin.
46:43
I would love to see statistics on ages about that because
46:47
they're probably children who, you know, their parents gave
46:52
them a tablet. Oh, here's unlimited Internet
46:55
access. Now leave me alone.
46:57
I'm going in the other room. And it's psychologically
47:00
damaging. That's why, you know the first
47:03
thing I asked you about the Internet porn thing, It's like,
47:06
I think parents should be responsible.
47:09
For what? Like a parent can't just give
47:13
their child unlimited Internet access and just expect the
47:17
government to regulate it. Oh, the government will parent
47:20
your kids. You have to parent your own
47:22
kids. You need to know what they're
47:24
doing. And I I would say that giving a
47:29
child unlimited access it's it's it's basically equal to letting
47:34
your child leave the house go wherever they want and come back
47:39
whenever they want Like oh Oh my, my 13 year old kid I just
47:44
let them you know he's he's going to go with some friends
47:48
he'll be back in a week. Like, no, if your child is gone
47:52
and you don't hear from them in a week and you don't call child
47:56
or you don't, you don't put in a missing persons report like that
48:02
is child endangerment. And I believe you know there's
48:06
so much child endangerment when it comes to the Internet
48:10
nowadays and that has caused a lot of problems.
48:15
I agree with you. Sorry for not having you up on
48:17
the big screen earlier. Get a lot of atheists.
48:20
For some reason I I enjoy having good conversations like you and
48:25
I I feel that we are having, but some people want to show me
48:28
their penis or their breast for some reason.
48:31
I I don't know, maybe it's the talk about porn that gets people
48:34
aroused and excited and the zoo begins.
48:37
So personally I I know some people out there think this is
48:41
weird, but I really don't care if somebody decides to get
48:44
naked. Adam and Eve were born that way.
48:46
But the problem is, is YouTube isn't quite the fan that I am.
48:50
So sorry. Well, I I would just have to say
48:56
don't worry. I will never show my breasts on
48:58
the Internet. I'm a portly man.
49:02
Well, that's respectful of you. You sound like a you sound like
49:06
a very moral person, if you don't mind me asking something
49:10
without offending you. Where do you get this moral
49:14
backbone, this desire to value life from, if you don't mind me
49:18
asking? Well, first of all, I would have
49:22
to say that morality comes from empathy, from understanding what
49:28
a person is going through, because I am a human.
49:31
We're all humans on this planet and I don't want anybody to feel
49:35
the bad things that I've felt throughout my life.
49:37
And part of that I know it's kind of corny, but I grew up
49:44
with superheroes, like superheroes like Spiderman.
49:47
And later on I grew in a like only in my adulthood I grew an
49:54
appreciation for Superman. In my opinion, Superman is my
49:58
second favorite superhero next to Spiderman.
50:01
But they they all have this strong moral compass.
50:05
And they they have, you know, with great power comes great
50:09
responsibility. But it's like they do have the
50:11
ability to help people. And if you choose not to help
50:15
people with whatever power you have, that's immoral in my view.
50:22
Well, I agree with you obviously on that.
50:24
I feel like your observation of all this is absolutely fair and
50:28
reasonable. But sometimes in this world you
50:32
can get really far in life. You can get a lot of things you
50:35
desire if you just simply said, ah, the hell with empathy and
50:38
feeling guilt and regret. Like for instance, if you knew
50:42
that there was some little old lady that lived up on a hill in
50:45
a forest where nobody even knows about her but you, you find out
50:48
that she's got a bunch of treasure in her house.
50:51
Why would you stop yourself from kicking in her door, putting her
50:54
down? She wouldn't be found for months
50:56
or years. And take the money for yourself
50:58
to benefit your tribe. Of course, I I would never do
51:04
that personally. And I I think everybody needs
51:07
protected. Like I mentioned earlier in the
51:09
discussion, bodily autonomy. You can't hurt anybody else
51:14
against their will. And I know what it feels like to
51:18
be physically hurt. I don't.
51:19
I don't want anybody else to be hurt.
51:22
We should. Yeah.
51:23
Also, you know, you mentioned Star Trek.
51:26
My future vision of humanity should be Star Trek.
51:30
We should all live comfortable lives and not just try and take
51:34
and take and take and take And sometimes taking indirectly
51:40
hurts a great amount of people. A whole lot.
51:45
If you don't mind, have you ever watched a show called Cross
51:48
Examine that's on YouTube? No, I've never heard of it
51:52
actually. I know there's this religious
51:55
philosopher that invites people of all different religions or
51:59
non beliefs that come in and question him while he's on
52:02
stage. He's like a teacher.
52:04
What is it? I think his name's Frank Turek
52:07
is what his name is. But he just to get into this a
52:12
little bit, before you became an atheist, were you a former
52:16
Christian? Were you raised up with the
52:18
philosophy of Do unto others as you want done under yourself?
52:21
In the gold role? I would say that I was a
52:26
Christian. My mother was never religious,
52:32
but my father was, and they were divorced before I could even
52:37
remember. And for a couple of years I
52:41
would visit my father in the summertime, and we would always
52:44
go to church. But I ain't never heard no do
52:49
unto others. I have never heard anything like
52:51
that. Like when I went to church, they
52:53
would just say you gotta fear God and you gotta do what God
52:56
tells you, and this is what God tells you.
52:59
But I I actually became an atheist because, like for a
53:06
while in my teenage years, I just didn't really think about
53:09
it. When I was a small kid, maybe up
53:12
to 10 years old, I would still pray every night because because
53:18
that's what my dad taught me and but he never taught me any moral
53:24
lessons. It's it was just all about this
53:27
God figure and like you got to do good and then you'll get into
53:32
heaven. It was very selfish notion.
53:35
But somewhere in my teenage years I heard God or Jesus
53:41
compared to Santa Claus. I'm like, Oh yeah, Oh yeah, that
53:45
makes sense because when I was a little kid, everybody told me
53:47
there was Santa Claus and also everybody told me there was
53:50
Jesus. There sure as fuck ain't no
53:52
Santa Claus. So why the hell would there be a
53:56
Jesus and what the fuck am I doing?
53:59
Well, as far as Santa Claus goes, and I've brought this up,
54:02
the there's very few non believers that seem to realize
54:05
this, but Santa actually existed.
54:08
His story is exaggerated, but there was in fact the Saint
54:11
Nick. So perhaps maybe there was a
54:14
Jesus, and maybe some of the things Christians say nowadays
54:17
might be a little off putting. But he also existed as well.
54:21
There's actually more evidence for him than some presidents.
54:24
We have the United States. That's pretty funny.
54:28
But I don't, I don't know if I would say that necessarily
54:31
because the history of Christianity is grafting itself
54:38
on to Pagan beliefs. Like you know, of course Jesus
54:44
was not born on December 25th like that was they used
54:49
Christianity to graft on to somebody's previous beliefs to
54:53
get the ball rolling to get them to be Christians.
54:57
So I would say that there were previous.
55:01
I remember I was watching the Joe Rogan Experience.
55:04
He had somebody on talking about like stuff like this.
55:09
Like you said, you know, like the Santa wears red and white.
55:13
And you know there was a red and white psychedelic mushroom that
55:18
reindeer would eat and shit out and like then it would have
55:27
psychotropic properties. And so, like, I just think, you
55:31
know, the whole Saint Nicholas thing like peyote.
55:34
I don't know because it was in Europe.
55:36
I don't know if peyote is in Europe, but I I just know that,
55:40
you know, Christians take every chance they get to graft their
55:45
mythology onto somebody else's mythology to convert them.
55:52
And I don't know. I'm not down with that.
55:53
Do you believe that? Because the religions out there,
55:56
a lot of them have the same, like, similarity to them.
55:59
They have a lot of patterns to them.
56:02
I was thinking that like, but, well, in the end it's just the
56:08
people in power want more power. And you know, Christianity rose
56:13
in power. I mean, like there were a
56:16
million. I'm just being exaggerated.
56:19
I'm just exaggerating. But there's a ton of religions
56:22
way before Christianity that, you know, Christianity actually
56:28
took some things from. I'm, I'm actually a horrible
56:31
person because I have a whole bookshelf over there.
56:34
I'm I'm very interested in the concept of religion.
56:37
And I I actually bought the Mahabharata.
56:40
I have I have a Quran back there.
56:44
I have you know, Zoroastrianism. I had that book over there, but
56:50
I had, that's what Fred Mercury from the band Queen Bleed then
56:53
that's a really old religion right there.
56:56
Oh yeah, actually because my wife and I, we we actually saw
56:59
that Queen movie. I forget oh, Bohemian Rhapsody.
57:03
And yeah she didn't even. My wife is from Iran and like we
57:10
didn't know that his family was Indian.
57:12
Parsi, Parsi, it's it's like Iranian basically people who
57:17
migrated from Iran. So I didn't know that until that
57:21
movie. That movie is fucking great, by
57:23
the way. Yeah, I ended up buying it when
57:26
it first came out. It probably should have waited a
57:28
couple weeks, you know, like Bones did with his father,
57:31
because it went down in price immensely.
57:34
Great movie though. Oh, I also got to say because my
57:37
wife and I, we got together in Istanbul and I got to say us
57:42
Americans are getting robbed. Like America's way too rife with
57:48
capitalism. When like we love to go to the
57:52
movies in Istanbul and every single movie.
57:57
When you go to the movies in Istanbul, there's an
57:59
intermission. You can take a break, go to the
58:01
bathroom. I remember I saw Avengers end
58:05
game and I was laughing at all these posts in on Facebook and
58:11
stuff or people like, oh, you're going to have to wear a diaper
58:13
because you don't want to miss single second and I'm like
58:16
bitch, I'm in Istanbul, I'm just wait till the intermission and I
58:19
can go take a leak. Kind of interesting question for
58:25
you. Do you believe that the universe
58:28
is a scientist, say over 200 billion light years across that
58:32
there could literally be over billions of planets that are
58:36
even inhabitable or that we could live on?
58:41
I wouldn't say, I believe, I would say it's probable because
58:45
I'm not a scientist. Again, I'm not a scientist, but
58:49
history has shown that our science has evolved.
58:53
So maybe in 100 years we'll believe something different
58:57
about the universe. But my question is, you know,
59:00
SETI, the search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence.
59:05
I'm not sure the name. You'll have to remind me.
59:08
Like I said, my brain's oatmeal. But go ahead.
59:10
Oh, but we. We have this program called
59:13
SETI, the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence.
59:17
They have these big arrays that like search the cosmos for
59:23
different signals, and we haven't.
59:26
I believe it's it got underway like in the early 90s, maybe the
59:31
80s, but we haven't found a single alien signal.
59:38
I know, I don't know if you know about UFO's, but I grew up
59:42
watching stuff about UFO's. There was somebody who thought
59:45
he found an intelligent signal and it was called the Wow
59:49
symbol. I I don't remember when that
59:52
was. It might have been in the 60s,
59:54
but I don't know. If there is other life out
59:58
there. Why haven't we found their
1:00:00
signals if we've been searching for like 30 years?
1:00:04
Well, there are some things like on science.com where they're
1:00:08
claiming they're getting a radio signal from off in the distance,
1:00:12
and it's not a like human made or anything like that.
1:00:15
And there's been a lot of stuff in the mainstream media, even
1:00:18
though I don't really believe hardly anything I hear on it.
1:00:21
But they show footage and I show where military people actually
1:00:26
caught these, I guess unidentified flying objects all
1:00:30
over the place. So but my point was do you
1:00:34
believe obviously you said it's probable that there are worlds
1:00:38
like that. They even claim that we can see
1:00:40
them with their telescopes, planets that are actually what
1:00:43
they think to be in better condition than the Earth.
1:00:46
So my question is how probable do you think it is there is
1:00:50
other life out there. Are you are you one of these
1:00:53
folks who are trapped by the Fermi Paradox?
1:00:57
I definitely think the Fermi Paradox is interesting, but I
1:01:00
just I have been obsessed with UFO since I was a child.
1:01:05
I would watch The History Channel before Ancient Aliens.
1:01:08
They would have a show called UFO Files like in the early
1:01:12
2000s. Like I would I would absorb
1:01:15
every amount of information about UF O's and I would say
1:01:18
like you can't just write that off.
1:01:20
There's there's something going on.
1:01:23
It might not be aliens from other planets.
1:01:26
It might be humans from the future.
1:01:28
It might be aliens from a different dimension.
1:01:32
There's definitely, I wouldn't say I believe because the thing
1:01:37
I hate most, I hate it's so smug.
1:01:40
People say I, I, I don't think that, you know, they would say,
1:01:45
oh I I believe that there's definitely other life in the
1:01:48
universe, but I don't believe that they have ever visited
1:01:53
Earth. And and then it's like you you
1:01:56
say you believe that, but then why haven't we heard their
1:01:59
signals with setting like I I said earlier, like I don't know.
1:02:05
Well, even though you haven't experienced a lot just because
1:02:09
of what you do know, your knowledge of science, if it can
1:02:13
happen here, then there's a good probability could probably
1:02:15
happen on any one of these type of worlds, right?
1:02:18
Life could exist. I wouldn't say it could happen
1:02:21
on any type of world. Like, it's it's definitely
1:02:24
possible that we are the only life in the universe and it was
1:02:28
just something that happened. Because there's so many crazy
1:02:32
different things that can happen.
1:02:33
Like there's so many different crazy things that happen on
1:02:36
Earth. Like with the just with all of
1:02:40
the material that we have on Earth, who knows how many
1:02:42
materials there are out there. Who knows how many materials?
1:02:46
Like, like, we still don't really know how life, excuse me,
1:02:52
how life emerged, but I think there's being breakthroughs on
1:02:57
that. But I'm not sure of anything.
1:03:01
But I definitely believe that a lot of these UF O's stories are
1:03:05
really credible. The Bob Lazar story is
1:03:10
incredibly believable, but nothing is 100%.
1:03:17
I got an interesting question for you, and it kind of goes
1:03:20
back to what we all started off with.
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Let's say that you and I were hanging out near a field and we
1:03:27
see a meteorite hit the Earth. A small one.
1:03:30
Not enough to, you know, knock us on our tail in, but
1:03:33
definitely enough to quake the ground a little bit.
1:03:35
It's that big. So you and I, we go over towards
1:03:38
the meteorite and we notice, like there's some kind of
1:03:41
organic material. It appears to be alive.
1:03:44
It appears to be as though it has the potential to feel.
1:03:48
And I look over at you and I say this could be one of the
1:03:51
greatest experiences that humanity ever had.
1:03:54
But you know what? I'm going to just step on it.
1:03:57
I'm going to stomp it. What would you say to me if I
1:04:00
were to say I'm going to take it out because it's not developed
1:04:02
enough? I would tell you don't fucking
1:04:05
touch it. Have you ever seen the movie The
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BLOB? That's how the BLOB happened.
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Oh yeah, yeah, I touched The BLOB and it fucked up a whole
1:04:14
city. Why?
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I completely agree with that. And that would definitely be a
1:04:20
good reason not to step on it. But the point is, is that this
1:04:23
is something that is innocent and capable of defending itself,
1:04:27
and if I stomp on it, it's not going to bite my toes off.
1:04:31
That's the hypothetical. OK, I would say I don't know
1:04:39
because I would say like maybe we just need to learn more about
1:04:44
this, but you know, the government does so much shady
1:04:48
shit. But I don't know.
1:04:53
This is. I would say we would have,
1:04:56
because I guess that kind of reminds me of The Day The Earth
1:05:00
Stood Still. Have you ever seen the original
1:05:03
50s film? Yeah, actually.
1:05:05
Think a lot of the older films before all the reboots and
1:05:09
remakes were actually better. Yeah, but remember what happens?
1:05:14
UFO lands on the White House lawn and they fucking shoot the
1:05:19
alien that walks out and it causes a big kerfuffle to say
1:05:24
the least. I would say maybe us country
1:05:28
bumpkins aren't the ones who should be interacting with this.
1:05:31
Maybe we should get an expert. Yeah, because we take out
1:05:36
something like that. That could just be a small ship
1:05:39
and there's a mother ship up above us that can wipe us all
1:05:42
out. Yeah.
1:05:43
People are so quick to shoot and ask questions later for sure.
1:05:47
My point was it was kind of back to our value on life Question
1:05:51
though and your thoughts on abortion.
1:05:53
I find it interesting that if I were to ask most nonbelievers or
1:05:57
even some religious people, would it be okay if I stomp the
1:06:00
life that I know nothing about into the ground and kill it.
1:06:05
But some people, they'll put a less value on a human fetus.
1:06:11
I would say any life is precious but you know there are other
1:06:18
lives sometimes in the cases of abortion that that contradict
1:06:25
other lives like you know there's there's a lot of times
1:06:28
like pregnancy complications could kill the mother.
1:06:35
So in that case you know definitely preserve the mother's
1:06:40
life first so but you know in your in your hypothetical
1:06:46
scenario I would say like this is the life like this could like
1:06:50
this life that crashed could be like a baby life form like like
1:06:56
I definitely for sure like because like I said I don't know
1:07:00
the regulations what should happen around abortion but like
1:07:04
definitely after birth is definitely and more it's
1:07:08
definitely should be illegal to kill a baby after birth.
1:07:12
So, like, I don't know if this life form could be a fucking
1:07:15
baby. Like, all right, I got another
1:07:19
weird question for you. You have had an opportunity to
1:07:23
read some of the Bible, or you've probably had lots of
1:07:26
conversations before me with folks who are considering
1:07:29
themselves spiritual or theistic, right?
1:07:33
Yeah. I personally haven't read the
1:07:36
Bible or I haven't read any of the Bible.
1:07:38
But I've, you know, I've seen different Bible passages.
1:07:41
I've heard people talk about the Bible and tried to, you know,
1:07:45
get more clarification on it. But I do in my bookshelf of
1:07:49
books where, like, I've only read 10% of the books.
1:07:53
I do have, you know, the Thomas Jefferson, the moral guides and
1:07:59
teachings of Jesus Christ, where it's it's not a Bible, but it's
1:08:03
like, here's the morality of Jesus, like in a little thing
1:08:07
without any of the divine stuff. I hadn't read that either.
1:08:13
So from what you do know, though, I'm, I'm pretty sure you
1:08:16
probably got the classic idea of what it is.
1:08:19
Whenever Christians or anybody of any faith claims that there's
1:08:22
some kind of God, how do you usually envision that everybody
1:08:26
kind of imagines up a picture in their head when you think of
1:08:30
something that basically created the world and existence in life,
1:08:35
how do you envision this thing? Well, this is a fictional thing.
1:08:40
And I would just say that, you know, all of the fictional
1:08:44
depictions like, I guess, you know, like God was in an episode
1:08:49
of Family Guy, whatever. It's it's that, I guess because
1:08:52
I don't believe in it and it's in my opinion, it's just
1:08:55
something somebody made-up. All right, well, it's fair
1:09:00
enough. But what I'm trying to get you
1:09:02
the envision here, and I'm sure if I bring up anything, you'll
1:09:06
either take imagery from things you seen in television shows,
1:09:10
movies, fictional stories, whatever you want.
1:09:12
But from what you get, if we were to describe God as a
1:09:16
character, where did he exist before the world came into
1:09:21
existence? According to all the stories
1:09:23
you've ever heard, the similarities, I guess using my
1:09:28
logical brain, I would say he came from a higher plane of
1:09:32
existence, like a higher dimension in science or maybe a
1:09:38
different universe. Because you know, I I grew up
1:09:41
with comic books and you know Tang the Conqueror is the big
1:09:45
villain and Marvel and apparently there was a
1:09:48
multiversal war. But he has an extreme, the
1:09:53
highest scientific mind a human could have, but he's just from a
1:09:58
different universe. So maybe somebody like that came
1:10:02
from another universe to a developing universe and had the
1:10:08
know how to make what he wanted. You know, in a lot of fictional
1:10:14
movies we watch, there's a lot of technology that didn't exist
1:10:18
before that has, strangely, humans have been able to create
1:10:22
things that were once fictional. I'm curious, you said earlier
1:10:26
that you're a fan of Superman. You weren't always a big fan,
1:10:29
but you are so the Henry Cavill version of Superman.
1:10:34
I don't know if you remember, but Zod used a machine.
1:10:37
I forget what it was called, but it had the ability to terraform.
1:10:41
Do you believe that if there are intelligent aliens out there
1:10:44
that they could possibly have the technology to terraform or
1:10:47
create a world? Oh yeah, that's definitely
1:10:51
possible. But I would say, you know, if
1:10:54
you go to a planet, and even if there's like a little speck of
1:10:59
life, like, you know, in the final episode of Star Trek The
1:11:03
Next Generation, Q takes the card back to Earth and it's the
1:11:08
primordial ooze that makes life. If you go to that and try to
1:11:15
terraform the whole planet, I would say that's immoral.
1:11:19
But definitely, if there are aliens who can travel across the
1:11:25
cosmos, they definitely have the technology to terraform planets.
1:11:32
So you what you're saying here is that you believe that the
1:11:35
technology is possible to create worlds.
1:11:38
When you describe God, you describe him as a character who
1:11:41
didn't originally inhabit Earth, that he was from somewhere else,
1:11:46
perhaps even another universe or multiverse.
1:11:48
If we go with modern day comic books, movies, right.
1:11:53
So you kind of you, you do realize that you're kind of
1:11:56
describing God and your vision as an alien, something that is
1:12:01
not of this world? Yeah, I guess that's a good
1:12:04
description because you know, alien just means from somewhere
1:12:09
else. Because you know here in our in
1:12:12
America, illegal aliens, they're alien to America and they're
1:12:17
coming in like something alien from our universe or our
1:12:21
dimension or our plain of existence.
1:12:25
Something came here like if you know, hypothetically whatever
1:12:31
God people believe in, like that would be the only logical
1:12:36
approach to that. In the show Star Trek, it became
1:12:41
very popular. Have you ever heard of the Prime
1:12:43
Directive before? Yes, actually that's that's a
1:12:48
part of my my own personal conspiracy theory where as I've
1:12:54
said, SETI, the search for Extraterrestrial intelligence
1:12:59
has been probing all of our sky to search for signals.
1:13:06
So I I believe in my conspiracy theory that the prime something
1:13:11
like the Prime Directive exists and it's like, oh, OK, we we
1:13:16
can't let any of our signals, we can't let any other signals come
1:13:23
to Earth. That's what I think.
1:13:25
I know. It's crazy.
1:13:27
So if you were a human being living in the future on one of
1:13:31
these enterprises or ships, and you have the ability to actually
1:13:36
go down on a planet with a bunch of primitive people, would you
1:13:39
do like that movie that you talked about earlier?
1:13:42
Would you land the spaceship right on their capital?
1:13:46
Or would you disguise yourself as one of them so you can go
1:13:50
down and have conversations, learn about them and teach them
1:13:54
things? Oh, that's that's another
1:13:58
because I respect the prime directive of Star Trek.
1:14:01
Do not interfere with lower developed worlds like who will
1:14:06
eventually come into the intergalactic or interplanetary
1:14:11
space. There was an episode of Star
1:14:14
Trek where they were monitoring a world from afar and they
1:14:20
discovered it was called the First Contact.
1:14:24
Riker goes down to the planet to monitor it because they're just
1:14:29
on the tip of discover, of discovering warp technology.
1:14:34
So it's like we got to suss these guys out because they're
1:14:37
going to they're they're just so close to getting warped.
1:14:41
So then they're going to encounter every other species
1:14:45
anyway. So we just got to be prepared.
1:14:49
So I would definite, I would definitely say it's if I had the
1:14:55
Enterprise, I would not interfere in any lower developed
1:15:02
civilizations. But you know, definitely you got
1:15:06
to use your technology to monitor them from afar.
1:15:09
So like maybe maybe they're on the cusp of having their own
1:15:14
enterprise, we got to know that. But if they're not, we got to
1:15:17
just leave them alone and let them do their own thing.
1:15:21
See, it's interesting. You're open to all these
1:15:23
different things. I I don't understand why you
1:15:27
would I I know this is going to come off weird, but with all the
1:15:30
open possibilities that you have in your mind, you sound more
1:15:34
theistic or agnostic than an actual atheist.
1:15:37
You sound like you believe in possibilities that you don't
1:15:40
lack the belief. How so?
1:15:45
How would I how would I sound theistic?
1:15:48
I'm just. I'm just being logical in my
1:15:51
view. Well, that's how I I agree with
1:15:54
you. I think what all that stuff that
1:15:55
you said is very logical and rational, but everything that
1:16:00
you said is exactly the same kind of view I have towards
1:16:03
theism. I see God is something that is
1:16:06
not of this world. I don't see him as like some
1:16:08
kind of Santa Claus character, but something that has the
1:16:11
ability, the technology and the intelligence to do this.
1:16:15
And he's following a prime directive.
1:16:17
You just you went along with them.
1:16:19
Was everything that I believe. I I didn't go along with it.
1:16:22
I said I I I went along with your hypothetical situation.
1:16:26
If there was a God, I I I said it's possible a higher level
1:16:32
being from a different plane of existence could come here and
1:16:36
create life. But who created that life?
1:16:41
Like it's it's it's just going to be an endless like who
1:16:44
created the 15th dimension? Who created the 4th dimensional
1:16:49
life? Who like I I just don't think
1:16:53
that it's plausible. I think it's possible, like in
1:16:57
in an imaginary scenario, but I don't believe in any higher
1:17:02
powers or gods or anything like that.
1:17:06
But you believe in the probability of superior forces
1:17:10
and intelligence that is greater than our own has the ability to
1:17:14
do the prime directive. That's not against the ability
1:17:17
of something superior to us, right?
1:17:19
Yeah, definitely. But like, if you look at an
1:17:21
episode of Star Trek, I forget what it's called, the episode
1:17:28
where Data, he establishes radio contact with a child.
1:17:33
I believe it was in the first or second season and their planet
1:17:37
was being undergoing volcanic over volcanic activity and the
1:17:44
the planet was going to die. And the moral conundrum is like,
1:17:49
you know, we have the Prime Directive.
1:17:51
Like we can't interfere with lower civilizations.
1:17:56
Like, you know, if if their planet, you know, just all
1:18:00
volcanically erupts, like that's the natural course of the
1:18:04
planet. But that doesn't mean that the
1:18:06
Enterprise created the life. You know, what would you do if
1:18:13
you had the knowledge of what is moving forward or you were a
1:18:17
being that lived outside of time And you could tell that whatever
1:18:21
you choose to do to help the people, even though they're
1:18:24
primitive, they could turn out better in the end and actually
1:18:29
help out your federation and the process.
1:18:32
If you just let them continue to, how shall we say, evolve?
1:18:36
Would you do it if you had the knowledge that it would all be
1:18:39
beneficial? Everything has a butterfly
1:18:44
effect, I would say. You know what?
1:18:46
I'm I'm not completely opposed to that as as long as because
1:18:51
there's another episode of Star Trek The Next Generation.
1:18:53
It's called Who Watches the Watchers, where there is a
1:18:58
station on the planet and they're observing this proto
1:19:02
Vulcan civilization. Like they are basically
1:19:05
medieval. Like, I I guess maybe like 12th
1:19:12
century our time or maybe even lower than that.
1:19:18
But they're there to observe. But something goes awry.
1:19:25
People, certain people on that planet discover, Oh my God, like
1:19:30
there's like this station and there's like people like who can
1:19:34
get beamed up and like, oh, is this God.
1:19:37
So, like, I would say, like, maybe we can interfere in a
1:19:40
lower civilization, but we would just have to do it disguised.
1:19:44
Because after they make that mistake, Riker and Troy go to
1:19:49
the planet disguised as these aliens and they're like, oh,
1:19:53
that's just a bunch of bullshit. Like, oh, that's like all those
1:19:56
old, like you're trying to say this is some old religious shit,
1:20:00
like, no, like that didn't happen.
1:20:02
Like, so I I would say, like, I'm not completely against the
1:20:06
idea of disguising ourselves and going to a lower civilization
1:20:11
and trying to nudge them, just nudge them a little bit.
1:20:14
Just. You know, disguise ourselves,
1:20:17
pretend to be them. And you know, put a little
1:20:19
suggestion like maybe you shouldn't sacrifice people to
1:20:24
the sun God. Like, maybe that's a little
1:20:26
crazy, but never announce ourselves.
1:20:32
That's fair enough. What do you think would happen?
1:20:35
Just a hypothetical. And they probably covered this
1:20:37
in Star Trek as well. That's one of the great things
1:20:40
about the show. But if you knew of like a alien
1:20:45
race or something, maybe it could be humans from the future.
1:20:48
We could go with any one of those hypotheticals.
1:20:50
But let's say a group of people who are from space, they go down
1:20:56
to Japan, and then 100 years they go down to China, and then
1:21:00
a few years later they go from a different country to country.
1:21:03
Do you think that everybody in the world would have the exact
1:21:06
same name as far as language goes for the entity that they
1:21:11
see come out of the sky? Well, no, of course not, because
1:21:15
each different culture has their own different language and it
1:21:19
would be interpreted, it would be interpreted differently.
1:21:23
So it's possible, you know, that's that's one thing with
1:21:28
this recent we might have mentioned it earlier, maybe not.
1:21:31
But you know, there was a big government hearing.
1:21:34
There was YouTube videos like some guy went on when in
1:21:37
Congress and was talking about UFO's, blah, blah, blah.
1:21:41
But if you're fanatic like me and followed UFO's like for a
1:21:45
long time in the history, like there's I, I definitely think
1:21:50
that aliens, you know, people say aliens, they think they mean
1:21:58
people from another world, but it's just alien to us.
1:22:02
Like, I definitely believe there have been influences not of this
1:22:06
Earth all throughout history, going back thousands of years.
1:22:11
So I definitely think announcing yourself as a higher being is
1:22:19
immoral. But trying to nudge a situation,
1:22:23
trying to nudge a civilization disguised, completely disguised,
1:22:28
that, I think that's fine, that's fair enough.
1:22:33
See a lot of the things that you say.
1:22:35
I know it's kind of weird for you to hear it.
1:22:37
Nobody's ever told you this, but you have a lot of you're open to
1:22:41
a lot of theistic ideas. This is kind of how I see it.
1:22:44
I see it as God is like a extradimensional type of entity,
1:22:50
a power source. But I also see him as a prime
1:22:53
mover where there's no regression before him.
1:22:57
I wouldn't call like, like I said, I wouldn't call it a
1:22:59
theistic idea because in the scenarios I just talked about,
1:23:04
it was about a higher civilization coming to visit our
1:23:07
civilization. Because, you know, the universe
1:23:11
is like 14 billion years old. And like it's definitely
1:23:17
possible. You know other life was you know
1:23:21
grew out there and exploring the cosmos for who knows how many
1:23:27
billions of years cuz if the universe is 14 billion years
1:23:32
old. What if what if there was a
1:23:36
civilization that developed like like 2 billion years into the
1:23:43
universe? Just billions of years.
1:23:46
You have the capability and technology to explore the
1:23:49
universe and you can influence it in certain ways.
1:23:52
Like that's definitely possible but I I am not theistic.
1:23:55
It's as, as I said, it's a it's a paradox.
1:24:01
If if a God created us, who created that God and who created
1:24:06
that God? Like life is a natural thing.
1:24:10
Life started somewhere. Certainly maybe it it could have
1:24:14
been influenced by another life. But that life came out, came
1:24:19
about naturally in my opinion. Well, scientists, see, I I don't
1:24:25
know if you know this, but I was a former nonbeliever and one of
1:24:28
the things that got me all messed up in the head was
1:24:32
listening The guys like, believe it or not, it was other
1:24:34
nonbeliever scientists who got me a little confused.
1:24:38
They started telling us that according to The Big Bang
1:24:42
theory, all space and time matter came into existence.
1:24:46
So if nature had a beginning to it, then what was the very
1:24:50
initiative that got the nature to even exist?
1:24:53
It seems to me that nature runs into the same regression problem
1:24:57
that you hear a lot of atheists bring up.
1:24:58
Where did it come from? Then you see what I mean?
1:25:02
I feel as though it's probable that whatever it is, it started
1:25:05
the started out in an eternal state and then the beginning of
1:25:10
the universe came together where How can you?
1:25:12
What I'm saying is if everything came naturally then how did
1:25:16
nature itself to even create the natural laws even come into
1:25:20
existence in the 1st place? Well I would say that you're
1:25:27
you're just said our universe, our universe, our universe.
1:25:31
But if you listen to scientists, they talk about multiverse
1:25:34
theory and I believe that there's a multiverse.
1:25:39
I don't know if there was a beginning to that because I, my
1:25:44
little tiny human mind cannot comprehend non existence.
1:25:50
I don't even know what it would be if nothing existed.
1:25:53
Like I I would go crazy thinking about that.
1:25:56
So right. But you if the scientists are
1:26:01
right from what they do claim, they claim that nature itself
1:26:05
came into existence. See, I believe that the origin
1:26:09
of the universe was supernatural because the definition of
1:26:12
supernatural is something that exists outside the natural laws.
1:26:17
Well, according to scientists that our universe that we live
1:26:21
in came into existence outside of natural laws because nature
1:26:25
itself had a beginning. That's why I believe in the
1:26:28
supernatural, not because I think some reindeer doing
1:26:31
mushrooms, good call back. But I would, I would just say
1:26:39
that it's, you know, scientists theorize, you know, multiverse
1:26:44
theory like there could be another universe with completely
1:26:49
different laws of physics like up is down, black is white or
1:26:55
you know, like I don't know. I I'm not going to pretend that
1:26:58
I know anything Like, you know, I, I, I, I just live in our
1:27:03
universe. And I acknowledge that, yeah,
1:27:05
there could be many universes. There could be many dimensions.
1:27:09
I'm not an astrophysicist. Another call back.
1:27:15
Remember in Bohemian Rhapsody, one of the band members studied
1:27:18
astrophysics? I hear you there.
1:27:23
The reason I how do I put this, the reason why I'm saying you're
1:27:28
very theistic is because you're open to possibilities.
1:27:32
If a person truly, truly lacks A belief and there being a bigger
1:27:38
answer out there in the universe, it would kind of
1:27:41
explain why a lot of, and I'm not trying to be offensive, but
1:27:45
did you know a majority of astronauts are actually
1:27:47
believers that NASA even says Godspeed whenever they send
1:27:52
people out in space? Apparently some people who don't
1:27:55
believe there's anything to be found out there have no business
1:27:58
out in space. You know what I mean?
1:28:01
Why do you think that is, that the people who actually believe
1:28:04
there's something higher than us are willing to go out into the
1:28:08
dark coldness, the void of space, but the folks who don't
1:28:12
have any belief, they don't want to go.
1:28:15
Well, as I said, I'm a UFO fanatic.
1:28:17
And, you know, there's stories that the original Apollo mission
1:28:24
that went to the moon, like they said that they heard music out
1:28:29
there. So, like, I don't know, like
1:28:32
there's theories that there are alien bases on the moon.
1:28:35
I think maybe there's some credibility to that because
1:28:40
there's been scientific studies done that you know, that the
1:28:45
moon is probably hollow, like it could be an artificial satellite
1:28:51
because they crashed certain modules onto the moon and it
1:28:58
rang like a bell. Like there's scientific data on
1:29:02
this. So you know, as the classic
1:29:08
saying says, magic to lower life forms is just science that they
1:29:17
don't understand. So I I definitely believe that
1:29:20
there are higher developed beings out there at see.
1:29:26
I wouldn't say, I believe I would say it's it's definitely
1:29:30
possible. It's more than likely that
1:29:33
there's higher life forms out there and that influences us.
1:29:37
But what's the possibility of different cultures throughout
1:29:41
humanity having the same experience, seeing some kind of
1:29:45
entity from space, yet they give it different names, which might
1:29:49
be the reason why or the excuse for there being so many
1:29:52
similarities And religion? Well yeah, let's go back to Star
1:29:57
Trek. Remember the episode Who watches
1:30:01
the Watchers? They fuck up because they have
1:30:04
all their scientific monitoring facilities and certain people
1:30:10
find that out. And then Captain Picard has to
1:30:13
come to the planet to figure this shit out.
1:30:16
But then people, the the proto Vulcan civilization believes
1:30:22
that Picard is the God. He is the leader.
1:30:25
He is the Picard. Oh, the Picard came down and the
1:30:29
Picard told me that he's not a God.
1:30:31
He's just a guy from another planet.
1:30:33
He's just a human from earth on a space vessel.
1:30:37
Like, I don't believe in any deities.
1:30:42
I don't believe we've used that word yet.
1:30:44
Deities are ridiculous in my mind.
1:30:48
Well, humans invented names for things that they originally
1:30:52
didn't have a label to it, so why would it be so difficult to
1:30:56
believe that humans seen all over societies and cultures
1:31:00
seeing something come from the sky and they simply defined it
1:31:03
as being a God? Well, there are many things in
1:31:10
the sky, one of one of which is the sun.
1:31:13
There are many cultures across history that worship the sun as
1:31:16
a God. There was a sun God.
1:31:18
There was a rain God. You know, there was a wind God.
1:31:22
And you know, just people got more intelligent and they
1:31:26
ascribe more of their own personal emotions and feelings.
1:31:32
So it's like, you know, you get to the Greek pantheon.
1:31:35
There's the God of War. There's the God of love.
1:31:39
There's, you know, like it's it's just humans.
1:31:42
We're just weird. Well, wouldn't you be that way,
1:31:45
Drewski, if you had an interaction with one of these
1:31:48
aliens or Ufo's that you're so interested in, if it treats you
1:31:52
nice, you're probably going to say, now those are some folks of
1:31:55
love, but if they start zapping you, you're probably going to be
1:31:58
like, that's a damn God of War right there.
1:32:03
No, I would. I would just, I would just
1:32:06
think, oh, this is another life form.
1:32:10
They have higher technology than me.
1:32:12
I should be afraid of them at first, but, you know, be open to
1:32:17
them. And I wouldn't necessarily
1:32:20
believe that they created life on Earth.
1:32:23
If an alien landed tomorrow and had a shield and all of the US
1:32:28
military was bombarding it, I wouldn't say like, Oh my God,
1:32:31
this is God. Like, it's just a it's just
1:32:34
another civilization with advanced technology and we got
1:32:41
to respect them because they could fuck us up, right?
1:32:46
Well, the again, the idea is that you do believe that it's
1:32:50
possible that there could be superior intelligence out there,
1:32:54
that the Picard example could actually exist, that there is
1:32:58
someone up there who just so happens to be a captain who has
1:33:01
the ability to either destroy or do like they did in the old Star
1:33:06
Trek movies and create a Genesis project.
1:33:09
Do you remember that? I was like the first or second
1:33:11
movie. Yeah, the second movie, Ratacon.
1:33:14
But you know, you you you told me that I have theistic thought
1:33:22
processes, but it's not theism. Theism is a deity, came down and
1:33:29
created stuff, created us. Like I'm I'm not opposed to the
1:33:35
idea of higher beings or even souls.
1:33:38
I'm an atheist. But I'm I think maybe maybe
1:33:40
there could be souls, maybe there could be reincarnation,
1:33:44
maybe I I don't know. But I don't believe that one, an
1:33:49
entity who came from nothing, created everything that we know
1:33:56
now. Like that's what see it.
1:33:58
That's what theism is like that episode.
1:34:01
They don't, they don't usually describe God as coming from
1:34:04
nothing. Easily describe the entity as
1:34:07
being an eternal non regressive, always existed in the a state of
1:34:13
eternity type of deals. And if you think about it the
1:34:16
way they describe like The Big Bang.
1:34:18
It's one of the reasons why a lot of Christians and Muslims
1:34:20
love The Big Bang theory. Besides the fact that it was it
1:34:24
was come up with by a Catholic in the 1st place who based it on
1:34:27
the Bible. I I just watched a video about
1:34:31
that like a couple days ago. I I never knew that that a
1:34:33
Catholic thought of The Big Bang.
1:34:36
I forget all the specifics, but well, believe it or not, a lot
1:34:40
of the cosmological stuff, including evolution itself, was
1:34:45
come up with by a theist. I don't know why a lot of people
1:34:48
are shocked by that. Everything from creation,
1:34:51
existence. I can't.
1:34:53
I haven't been able to find one single like atheist scientist
1:34:56
that was involved in that. There's a skeptic, a lot of
1:34:59
skeptics. But I haven't really.
1:35:02
I'm sorry. My fucking cat is on my damn
1:35:05
chair. Get out of here.
1:35:08
I hate you. He's.
1:35:09
Yeah, we got my glean screen in the background.
1:35:12
I fucking hate him one. One of these days I'm going to
1:35:15
throttle him. So Jewski, you say that the
1:35:20
reason why I'm pulling out the theistic bid on you though is
1:35:24
let me let me try something a little bit more simpler.
1:35:27
And for some reason, this question kind of gets under
1:35:30
people's brain cells. But do you believe in the
1:35:35
possibility of some entity that is likened to that of a God?
1:35:40
Do you believe in the possibility?
1:35:41
I'm not asking you if you know it or 100% subscribe to it, but
1:35:46
do you believe in the possibility?
1:35:50
There is definitely a possibility that there could be
1:35:53
a higher form of entity from the 15th dimension in a different
1:35:59
universe that we would think of as God, like like Doctor
1:36:05
Manhattan from Watchmen. So that's what a theist is, is
1:36:10
one who believes in the possibility of a God, which we
1:36:14
usually describe as an alien or an entity that had something to
1:36:17
do with creation. An atheist, classically, is one
1:36:21
who lacks a belief in deities. But how can you lack a belief in
1:36:24
deities if you just publicly said you believe in the
1:36:27
possibility of such a thing? No, your your definition of
1:36:32
theism is flawed. I think theists believe that A1
1:36:38
single deity or maybe a multitude of deities created us.
1:36:45
I don't believe that we were created.
1:36:47
I don't believe that Earth was created by something else.
1:36:51
It's a natural process of the universe.
1:36:53
I'm not a theist. Well, the Bible teaches that
1:36:57
even though God himself is a supernatural entity, that he
1:37:01
actually used nature to create us.
1:37:04
Now, where do you believe that your descendants, your ancestors
1:37:07
came from? If you go all the way down to
1:37:10
the, if you were to devolve backwards, you're eventually
1:37:14
going to become material of the earth, right?
1:37:18
Yes, I guess so. We are All Star stuff.
1:37:22
So we've got an entity who is literally from the stars, who
1:37:27
has used nature itself to rise up a man and a woman, or be able
1:37:31
to create what we refer to as females and males in order to be
1:37:35
able to procreate and reproduce. The only thing it's it's doing
1:37:41
is using the material. It's not using magic, it's
1:37:44
actually using the nature of the earth to create us.
1:37:47
You realize that in the very beginning of the story.
1:37:51
Well, as I said, I don't believe we were created per se.
1:37:55
We came about life came about. I I I just believe you're
1:37:59
thinking about this and too simplistic of a term.
1:38:02
I I I don't believe that many humans, like most humans on the
1:38:07
planet, can't grasp the concept of time.
1:38:11
I believe you know the Earth was created.
1:38:14
The Earth was not created. The Earth came about through
1:38:17
natural processes of the universe 4 billion years ago, I
1:38:21
believe. But, you know, there's we have a
1:38:24
sun and all of the quadrillion stars in the sky are Suns.
1:38:30
And there's gravity and there's there's physics.
1:38:34
And, you know, life could happen giving certain conditions.
1:38:39
But there's 50 quad million, trillion billion cophillion
1:38:44
stars out there, and we're just one of them, and we're just the
1:38:47
ones that happened to have life come about.
1:38:55
Do you? Let me Let me ask you what your
1:38:58
thoughts are on something like a miracle.
1:39:01
Would you consider it a miracle if a kitten were on the lane of
1:39:05
a highway? And every day, during the
1:39:08
fullest traffic, this thing went back and forth 10 times per day
1:39:13
for almost as long as it's alive to adulthood somehow survives.
1:39:19
Would you consider it a miracle that that thing was able to do
1:39:21
that every day for all that time and still managed to not get
1:39:26
crippled, disabled, or even killed?
1:39:29
I wouldn't call that a miracle. I would call that extremely
1:39:34
favorable probability. What do you call it whenever
1:39:40
there's a little blue ball flying through a void and
1:39:43
there's over 10,000 observable objects that could destroy us at
1:39:47
any time and somehow the planet manages to survive for 4.5
1:39:51
billion years. You don't see that as kind of in
1:39:55
the quota of the miracle. No, I would call that extremely
1:40:00
favorable probability. You said 10,000 objects that
1:40:04
could destroy us. They say that there's over
1:40:06
10,000 observable objects around us that could destroy us.
1:40:10
Everything from space debris to black holes.
1:40:15
Shit that I can't even explain, even with the Star Trek episode
1:40:19
next to me. So go ahead.
1:40:22
Do you think it's a miracle or we're just favored?
1:40:25
I don't think it's a miracle. I just think that there's so
1:40:29
much out there. The Earth is so small.
1:40:33
Like if I, you know, like I'm in my living room right now.
1:40:39
If I if I just shoot a gun randomly, like, is there a
1:40:48
chance that it would go through a wall and hit a person?
1:40:53
I there is a chance, but it's extremely not probable because
1:40:57
my arm is here. Over there there's windows and
1:41:02
it's a parking structure. So you know there's there's a
1:41:07
big brick wall with it's a it's a big high rise fancy pants rich
1:41:14
people building. And I've I've seen this building
1:41:19
and like hardly any lights are litting up.
1:41:21
So the probability is just so small that this parking
1:41:26
structure is even filled to like 10% capacity.
1:41:30
And the probability that somebody's walking to their car
1:41:33
is just so small like I like if I shoot and nobody dies.
1:41:40
I wouldn't call that a miracle. I would call it irresponsible,
1:41:43
but it's just probability. It does seem like you kind of
1:41:49
won the lottery every day for the last 4 billion years.
1:41:53
If things did not happen just as they went step by step, you and
1:41:57
I wouldn't be here having a conversation.
1:41:59
The reason why I use this like extraordinary language with it
1:42:03
being miraculous is that I used to like to watch Stephen
1:42:07
Hawking. I don't know if you remember
1:42:09
him, the guy in the wheelchair, one of the superior intelligence
1:42:12
of atheism. He said that we are a
1:42:15
mathematical impossibility, and that's usually how Christians
1:42:20
define what a miracle is. If we're in almost impossible,
1:42:24
that to us is considered a very rare thing.
1:42:28
Well, yeah, he was a brilliant man.
1:42:31
He knew a lot about the cosmos and physics and stuff.
1:42:34
But he is also not a biologist, and even all of our highest
1:42:39
biologists can't definitively tell you how life formed.
1:42:46
So yeah, it is. I guess I would, I would yeah
1:42:50
use the word miracle just more in a poetic sense, not not in a
1:42:56
divine sense. Do you believe there was always
1:43:00
something that existed even prior to the universes or
1:43:04
multiverse and all that? Yeah see like I said I I I said
1:43:10
this earlier, I cannot comprehend non existence.
1:43:14
So definitely, well I wouldn't even see say definitely maybe
1:43:19
our universe always existed even with The Big Bang because maybe
1:43:24
it existed in a small form and banged.
1:43:27
But I would definitely say that there are universes and planes,
1:43:37
dimensions beyond what we could ever know and it's it's highly
1:43:45
probable that it always existed. So don't you think, knowing all
1:43:50
this, that you've pointed out, which I completely agree with
1:43:53
everything that you've said thus far, wouldn't it be more
1:43:57
intellectual or intellectually honest to say, yeah, there's a
1:44:02
possibility that there could be some entity out there that is
1:44:06
defined like a God, that it could be very close to having
1:44:11
these abilities of this from a totally different dimension,
1:44:14
sees existence in a way that we couldn't even be able to
1:44:17
understand. You're open to that.
1:44:20
So you're not completely, like, throwing the baby out of the
1:44:23
bathwater. Yeah, I'm definitely open to
1:44:25
that. But there's definitely could be
1:44:28
something like that that us as humans would perceive as a God.
1:44:33
But that doesn't mean that that particular entity created our
1:44:38
universe, or created our Earth, or created us.
1:44:42
And if if so, who created that entity?
1:44:48
Let's say that you, you were to somehow be able to measure an
1:44:52
entity that existed before the universe, before in nature
1:44:56
itself existed. How would you be able to accuse
1:45:00
it of being born if it always existed in an eternal state?
1:45:05
I I yeah, this is something I do believe.
1:45:08
I do believe that there's no way an entity could have always
1:45:15
existed. Like matter, physics, dimensions
1:45:21
like that could have always existed.
1:45:24
I don't know. But an entity is a complex
1:45:26
thing. An entity needs to have an
1:45:30
origin, in my personal estimation.
1:45:34
Let's try. Let's try this out and see what
1:45:36
you think of it, because you sound like you got a great
1:45:38
imagination. Like myself, I always try to be
1:45:40
creative. You believe.
1:45:42
You do believe, however, that all the brains and life forms
1:45:46
that exist in the world, everything from the fetus to the
1:45:49
old relative or whatever ancestor, came from a starting
1:45:53
point. If The Big Bang is to be said to
1:45:56
be the true story of how the universe came into existence,
1:45:59
you do believe that all the material and energy of the
1:46:02
universe existed in one point, right?
1:46:07
It could be. But you know what?
1:46:09
To be honest, I'm going to throw something out there.
1:46:11
You know, atheists might not agree with that.
1:46:15
I don't even really know what life is like.
1:46:17
You know, there's some people theorize that all life is just
1:46:22
one thing and us living beings are just different expressions
1:46:28
of that life. So I don't know, like these are,
1:46:35
these are big questions, man. Why you asking me?
1:46:37
I'm a nobody. Well, I'm asking you because
1:46:41
you're one of the few atheists I've had in a long time that
1:46:44
comes into the room with a a good moral fiber backbone.
1:46:49
You're intelligent, you're able to have a great conversation.
1:46:52
It's obvious that you're deep. Anybody that watch as much Star
1:46:55
Trek as you has to be. So that's why I'm asking these
1:46:59
questions. If I had somebody in here that
1:47:01
was a fool like usual and be like, oh man, boring time, but
1:47:06
you're awesome. I like you.
1:47:07
I'm glad you came in. Thank you.
1:47:10
I appreciate that. I I specifically appreciate you
1:47:14
calling me intelligent because I was just thinking I was thinking
1:47:19
about something earlier today about, you know, just people in
1:47:23
life, and I think most people are fucking retarded.
1:47:29
And I would, I would, can I? I said I was thinking to myself,
1:47:32
like I am moderately intelligent and I'm happy to have moderately
1:47:38
intelligent friends and have moderately intelligent
1:47:41
conversations. I'm not going to pretend that
1:47:44
I'm like some guy who's smarter than everybody else, because
1:47:47
they're definitely people who are way smarter than me, a lot
1:47:51
of them. And I just, I just don't want to
1:47:55
be a dumbass. Yeah, like I've I said on my
1:48:00
videos many times, I'd rather have five people who are open
1:48:03
minded with big hearts and 10 billion zombie like Npc's
1:48:07
watching me and being subscribed.
1:48:12
Yeah, hold on. I'm sorry.
1:48:13
I've been drinking this E&J, Can I take a potty break or I don't
1:48:16
know where you going to end this or you have to put $5 in the
1:48:20
toll it's on the right side of the screen.
1:48:23
I'm just kidding. Go ahead and use the restroom,
1:48:25
brother. You don't have to ask me if it's
1:48:27
okay to take a piss. I appreciate your respect
1:48:29
though. You were just doing that show.
1:48:31
I'll be right back. I don't know if you choose to
1:48:33
move on, I'm happy to have the conversation, but I'll now if
1:48:36
you return, I'll be more than happy to talk to you.
1:48:38
Hopefully more people come in the room.
1:48:40
If they don't, I'm enjoying the Oneonone conversation.
1:48:45
So is there anybody out there that would like to come in and
1:48:48
join? Here's a link for anybody that
1:48:51
wants to join. Let's see what's going on with
1:48:55
the the world while we're sitting here chilling.
1:49:00
OK, so earlier we talked about the whole Apparently there's a
1:49:04
lot of folks out there. You think that whiteness needs
1:49:07
to be abolished. That's strange.
1:49:11
That almost sounds a little racist.
1:49:13
But OK, so recently in the news, Jason Aldean, the country
1:49:17
singer, the one everybody accused being racist, is suing
1:49:22
Whoopi Gilberg and the view for defaming him and slandering him
1:49:27
on that show. Millions of dollars, it looks
1:49:30
like. Oof.
1:49:31
What do you guys think? Do you think that he should win
1:49:35
there? Or do you think it that people
1:49:36
should be able to say whatever they want about a celebrity or
1:49:39
person on the view? Did you hear any of that, Mister
1:49:43
Jewski? By the way, I muted the mic so I
1:49:46
wouldn't we wouldn't hear you peeing in the background.
1:49:50
All you got to do is take your mouse down and click the
1:49:52
microphone button. OK, I'm sorry, I didn't hear
1:49:55
what you said, but what were you talking about?
1:49:59
Well, I don't know if you've heard the stuff going on about
1:50:02
the Jason Aldean guy, the country singer who sung a song
1:50:07
about try that in our town. Well, apparently a bunch of
1:50:12
people like On the View as they normally do.
1:50:15
He feels he was slandered and defamed.
1:50:17
Do you know the story about it? I don't know anything about
1:50:21
country. I've heard of the View.
1:50:24
My mom used to watch that like 15 years ago, but I know there
1:50:28
are a bunch of clowns though. Well, you were saying earlier
1:50:32
that a lot of the human race is retarded and I have to also
1:50:35
endorse you on that as well. The the issue is, is you've got
1:50:39
a hen house filled with women who managed to get a camera
1:50:42
pointed at them and they should talk everybody on the planet.
1:50:45
Well, this country singer, what he did was he made a video
1:50:49
saying you don't do the shit that you did during the Trump
1:50:52
administration in our little country town, basically saying
1:50:56
we've got a code you come here with that nonsense, we slapped
1:50:58
you around kind of attitude. Right.
1:51:01
So what happens is is in his video he shows footage of the
1:51:05
riots that happened with Antifa and black lives matter.
1:51:08
Well, a bunch of people said it was racist of him to show the
1:51:12
footage and all that. So a lot of country singers and
1:51:17
rock stars and celebrities are defending the guy as well.
1:51:20
Some like conservative news stations, but people like Whoopi
1:51:25
Gilberg are claiming he's a racist for showing the footage.
1:51:28
I don't know how that is. He doesn't even mention color or
1:51:31
race in the song at all. Wait, I don't really understand.
1:51:36
Are you saying this guy? Is he pro Trump or anti Trump?
1:51:41
I don't know if he supported Trump or not.
1:51:44
People usually think that if you like the American flag and think
1:51:48
that America should be great, then that must be a Trump meme
1:51:51
coming, right? But the point is, is that he
1:51:56
this was a country singer who was doing a show and outside the
1:52:00
show there was a mass shooting and a bunch of fans were killed
1:52:03
and it affected him. It's given him some PTSD and
1:52:06
he's been making a lot of songs about his experiences and how he
1:52:10
hates seeing Americans killing each other in the street.
1:52:13
It's one of those type of songs and for some reason the liberals
1:52:17
out there trying to make it out to look like he's a racist or
1:52:21
pointing the finger. They say there's too much
1:52:22
footage of black people, but when I watch the video, I see a
1:52:26
diverse amount of people. They're just wearing masks.
1:52:31
Yeah. Well, if you look at, you know,
1:52:33
the history of music videos, like, we show a lot of footage
1:52:36
of America. One of my favorite songs and one
1:52:39
of my favorite videos is the Cult of Personality by Living
1:52:44
Color. You know what I'm talking about.
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Yeah. Code like personality.
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Yeah. I Can't Sing worth the text
1:52:52
anymore. What do you see?
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The Cult of Personality. But you know, they show, they
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show footage of, you know, like civil unrest or like 1920s
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people industrialization. Like, I don't know, we're just
1:53:06
talking about a country, I guess.
1:53:08
But I don't know. I'm unfamiliar with this
1:53:10
musician and the song, and it's probable that the anybody who is
1:53:17
complaining is probably unfamiliar with the musician and
1:53:20
the song and they didn't bother to listen to it or read the
1:53:24
lyrics. Because I don't know what it is.
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But I I would bet most people don't even know what it is.
1:53:32
They just show a country singer showing footage of, you know,
1:53:37
the riots or whatever the hell happened, and they they just
1:53:40
form their own opinion in their heads.
1:53:43
It's an average, typical patriotic type of country song.
1:53:49
It's there's nothing like you would hear from music or from
1:53:53
the lyrics that would make you think that it was any different
1:53:56
than any other country song you've ever heard.
1:53:58
But for some reason because he had the American flag in it and
1:54:02
also showed the burning of the flag by the groups that were
1:54:05
doing us during the riots, they're they're it's like they
1:54:09
are accusing him of being the bad guy when it's actually
1:54:12
footage of people spitting in the face of cops and you know
1:54:17
violence happened in that street, things on fire.
1:54:19
You know the whole thing we've seen during the Trump
1:54:21
administration. So I find it interesting.
1:54:24
Everything is just being washed out as racism, xenophobic
1:54:29
transphobic, Islamophobic. Just like we want some kind of
1:54:33
phobia for everything nowadays. Yeah that's that's just America.
1:54:38
I'm I'm not going to talk about Earth or humans.
1:54:42
But America is designed to be polarized.
1:54:46
And I don't know if this guy just threw that stuff in there
1:54:49
just to maybe get more notoriety or press or I don't know if
1:54:57
it's. It's probably like so many
1:54:59
people just make up their minds about stuff and everybody just
1:55:03
wants to be angry. Everybody wants to be angry
1:55:06
about everything. But me personally, I don't give
1:55:10
a shit about shit like I remember.
1:55:13
Like specifically this is burning my mind.
1:55:15
Like, you know, this is, it was like lunchtime.
1:55:18
We were in high school and there was some big kerfuffle like
1:55:22
behind our lunch table and I don't even give a fuck And like
1:55:26
everybody's like, Oh my God and I I just that just stands out in
1:55:31
my mind because people like came to me later and they're like,
1:55:33
oh, Drew was just sitting there like nothing happened.
1:55:36
It's like who cares? Who gives a fuck?
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Yeah, I agree with you. Well, the the big news is he's
1:55:44
going to sue the View because they made countless accusations
1:55:49
and names of him. And I've seen a lot of.
1:55:51
I can see why people are getting too happy nowadays, because
1:55:54
there's a lot of people out there who feel they can get on
1:55:57
television, just say whatever the hell they want about
1:55:59
somebody. Do you think that's a problem?
1:56:01
Should people be allowed to get up on a camera and say, man,
1:56:05
that damn Drewski, he probably likes little kids or something.
1:56:08
I think people like that should get some kind of consequences.
1:56:12
What about you? Yeah, we do have very good
1:56:16
freedom of speech laws in this country.
1:56:20
I I can't speak to the rest of the world but like I, I, I I
1:56:26
would assume the rest of the world has decent laws but liable
1:56:30
and slander. It's hard to prove.
1:56:34
But you know they obviously the the people on the View were
1:56:38
trying to we're trying to portray this person in a certain
1:56:45
light and he's a public figure. And you you can't just say like,
1:56:50
you know so and so like make a TV show episodes.
1:56:55
We're like, oh, here is so and so song.
1:56:58
And this song means that he hates X, Like that's.
1:57:02
I don't know. I don't know the specifics.
1:57:06
But if it goes to court, these these view people, like, I don't
1:57:11
know they they go too hard with their hate.
1:57:14
And yeah, it would be, I think it would be one thing.
1:57:19
If somebody's going to do like an exposed deal, I think that
1:57:23
they ought to have to show some kind of evidence, not just get
1:57:27
up there out of anger and say that person's a racist, they're
1:57:30
a Nazi, all this kind of thing. Yeah.
1:57:34
In this country, defamation is a legal thing.
1:57:38
It is very hard to prove. If it is, if it is true that
1:57:43
they were defaming him, well, he should get compensation for
1:57:50
that. Like it's it's like the pizza
1:57:54
gate thing, you know, like everybody is saying like, oh,
1:57:58
all the Democrats. There's like this secret
1:58:00
pedophile ring and then like blah, blah, blah.
1:58:04
And you know, that caused like somebody to shoot up pizzeria or
1:58:08
something. And it's like there should be
1:58:09
repercussions for stuff like that.
1:58:13
It's like, you know, if people say that this guy is like a
1:58:16
racist and he hates black people and, you know, like, he could be
1:58:19
in danger, like, I'm, I'm pretty sure, like, I don't know the
1:58:25
song. I don't know the lyrics, but I'm
1:58:26
pretty sure his song wasn't. I hate black people.
1:58:31
Don't clip that out. Nobody clicked that.
1:58:33
Nobody clip that out. Well, I would never do something
1:58:36
like that. But I can't promise that there's
1:58:38
not going to be some atheist out there.
1:58:40
Cut that out and put it up there.
1:58:42
You might get accused of being a racist Christian later on.
1:58:45
Sorry, no, I say a lot of crazy shit.
1:58:50
Just, you know, like just joking around.
1:58:53
Fucking around. So like, it's just the news that
1:58:57
that oh oh, hold on. It's just just to save myself,
1:59:01
somebody else clip this out. I hate white people.
1:59:06
I hate brown people. I hate yellow people.
1:59:11
Just clip all of that out and it will all contradict each other.
1:59:15
So I'll be fine. I hear you there.
1:59:18
Well, it's OK to say that you hate white people, apparently,
1:59:21
according to the news nowadays. Yeah, I definitely disagree with
1:59:26
that. Oh, you know what's funny?
1:59:28
I made a joke because my brother just recently got engaged and I
1:59:34
I went over to his place. I was talking to him.
1:59:36
He was working at the time, but he he he stepped out.
1:59:40
And his his, his fiance. Oh my.
1:59:44
Well, I'm of Mexican descent. My my brother has Puerto Rican
1:59:49
father and his fiance is white. And oh, I don't, I don't know if
1:59:59
I should say the name. But you know he is a Puerto
2:00:01
Rican last name. It's different from my last
2:00:03
name. And like I, his wife came out to
2:00:05
take that out the trash and I was like, oh, it's Mrs. Soandso,
2:00:09
like his Puerto Rican last name and.
2:00:12
And then I was like, this is what genocide?
2:00:15
Just like, I'm just joking around.
2:00:16
I'm just fucking around. Like, that's good, man.
2:00:21
You sound like you got a pretty open mind and a good sense of
2:00:24
humor. That's good stuff.
2:00:26
So have you thought about anything that I was saying while
2:00:28
you're away from your computer? I know you're probably
2:00:30
concentrating on the biology as well, but do you see what I'm
2:00:35
meaning? Whenever I said that, you seem
2:00:38
very open to the probability of there being something that could
2:00:42
be defined as a God. Yeah, I'm open to the
2:00:46
possibility of something that could be defined as a God.
2:00:50
But I am completely against the notion that humans on Earth were
2:00:54
created. Like that's why I'm not a
2:00:57
theist. Like, of course, you know, I
2:00:59
love Star Trek. There's like there's many
2:01:02
different higher level beings in Star Trek, not just cue from The
2:01:07
Next Generation, but there's an episode in the original series
2:01:10
where they go, they go to a planet and this guy says that I
2:01:16
am Apollo and it's like Greek architecture and stuff all
2:01:21
around him. But he he never, the episode
2:01:25
wasn't about like the Greek gods were real and they created
2:01:28
Earth. It's just he was a higher level
2:01:34
entity like living being of a of a higher civilization and they
2:01:40
visited earth checked it out for a little bit and then they
2:01:43
pieced out and they left. They were from somewhere else.
2:01:47
They didn't have anything to do with our creation but then they
2:01:50
pieced out, well, let me carry a question for you.
2:01:56
Do you believe that it's possible that a a character like
2:02:00
Data, let's say in reality, is it possible for a character like
2:02:05
Data to come into existence without the assistance of an
2:02:08
intelligent being? I would say it's definitely
2:02:14
possible because there was another episode in Star Trek,
2:02:18
The Next Generation season one where they go to a planet where
2:02:23
they're mining, it's like silicon, they're mining silicon.
2:02:27
But it turns out there are, there was a microscopic silicon
2:02:34
civilization and they had to shut down the mine.
2:02:37
Like this was a very expensive operation.
2:02:40
These scientists were trying to like mine this silicon and data
2:02:45
comes in and like, you know, it turns out the microscopic
2:02:48
civilization, you know, they were being destroyed.
2:02:50
So they fought back. So they were infiltrating like
2:02:54
the facilities, computer systems, and that's why the
2:02:58
Enterprise needed to come. It's like, oh, the Enterprise,
2:03:00
like we need to help. Our computer systems are all
2:03:02
fucking up. But then Data discovers that
2:03:05
there's this microscopic, they call it a micro brain.
2:03:10
So like maybe a microscopic silicon based civilization could
2:03:16
evolve into something like Data. Yeah, that could be possible.
2:03:20
Fair enough. I believe something extremely
2:03:23
small could eventually, if it's not tampered with, their
2:03:26
molested, it could possibly turn into something very advanced,
2:03:32
like data. Yeah, it's definitely possible.
2:03:35
It would. It would take a span of time
2:03:38
that I couldn't calculate because I'm not a scientist.
2:03:41
Like, maybe let's let's just throw out 50 billion years.
2:03:45
Yeah, definitely. All right, I got a got another
2:03:50
neat thing for you and all your time of existing on the earth,
2:03:55
you've you've probably countless times heard or observed or seen
2:04:00
or or someone told you that something came to life from
2:04:05
something else that was alive, right?
2:04:08
Or have you ever observed something come to life from non
2:04:10
life? I don't understand what you
2:04:14
mean. And all of your time on Earth,
2:04:18
anything that's ever came to life always had a parent.
2:04:21
And your observation, you've actually seen people be born
2:04:25
before, haven't you? Or animals.
2:04:28
Yeah. And all of your time.
2:04:30
Have you ever seen anything come out of, let's say, something
2:04:33
alive, come out of the actual rock or material without some
2:04:38
life form behind it? Yeah, of course not.
2:04:42
But we are on Earth, and life developed eons ago, and it was
2:04:49
simplistic life and that life sprouted into different forms of
2:04:55
life. OK, let's say that that
2:05:00
happened. Why is it that we're the only
2:05:03
species ever on the planet? We seem to have this special
2:05:08
thing where we've had an enlightenment age, but no other
2:05:11
creatures had that. Why are we the only species like
2:05:14
this? I would say we don't know that.
2:05:17
I would say that life has existed for maybe a couple
2:05:23
billion years. I don't know.
2:05:24
But like, you know, we all know the dinosaurs got wiped out a
2:05:29
couple, 100 million years ago. Like, who's to say there wasn't
2:05:32
a, Who's to say there wasn't an advanced civilization then who
2:05:38
just got wiped out? Maybe they were Reptilians.
2:05:40
Maybe they were insectoids. Maybe they were fucking damn, I
2:05:50
just blanked out. What's the fungus?
2:05:53
So you you do believe that the dinosaurs and there was a huge
2:05:59
group of creatures and reptilian type of creatures that actually
2:06:03
existed at some point in time and it was wiped out.
2:06:07
Do you as your classic belief that it was a meteorite or some
2:06:10
kind of outer space debris that killed all these things, It was
2:06:15
some kind of natural catastrophe.
2:06:18
Maybe it was a meteor, maybe it was super volcanoes, Maybe it
2:06:21
was a climate catastrophe. Maybe it was the Earth's axis
2:06:27
rotated. But you know what?
2:06:28
Let's let's just say, you know, a million years from right now,
2:06:34
will people find many human fossils?
2:06:38
Probably not, because we we bury our humans in coffins and we,
2:06:44
you know, lace their bodies and formaldehyde and I don't know if
2:06:48
that would be sufficient situation to create a fossil.
2:06:57
Maybe not. So like maybe a million years
2:06:59
from now there could be octopus people and they would know
2:07:03
nothing about us humans who came from fucking monkeys.
2:07:08
So let's the belief that you have is what I was commonly
2:07:12
taught in school and and all that, that something natural hit
2:07:16
the earth, caused a unbelievable amount of destruction, ended up
2:07:20
wiping out, they call it the extinction of the dinosaur in
2:07:24
that age. So if that happened, when did
2:07:28
the creature start evolving if they were all killed?
2:07:32
Well it's not it's not that every everything was killed.
2:07:36
It's there were mammals existed during the time of the dinosaurs
2:07:41
but there were small rodent like creatures.
2:07:43
And in that devastation because you know a lot of lower mammals
2:07:49
like mice and you know ferrets and moles, they Burrow into the
2:07:55
ground. So that's probably how they
2:07:57
lived off of the, you know, like if the big mega fauna, we're all
2:08:05
extinct, that would be the perfect, that would be the
2:08:10
perfect situation for these little small mammals to come out
2:08:13
of the ground without any predators and they could thrive,
2:08:19
right. So if a lot of the other
2:08:21
predators and other creatures are dead though, and usually the
2:08:25
claim is, is that it wasn't just a meteorite that hit us, but
2:08:29
they say that our sky turned dark to where it basically
2:08:33
covered the earth, the atmosphere, cut out the oxygen,
2:08:37
destroyed all the plant life. I mean it almost sounds like a
2:08:40
damn worldwide flood example. If this happened then how could
2:08:45
have anything, Even if it crawled into the ground,
2:08:47
eventually a mammals got to come out.
2:08:49
It's got to eat something. Well yeah, you know what?
2:08:54
I I don't know for sure that the extinction of the dinosaurs was
2:08:58
a meteor. I don't know if that's, but
2:09:01
there could have been multiple things.
2:09:02
But I've heard, because, you know, I'm, I'm very afraid of
2:09:05
nuclear war. We're inching closer and closer
2:09:09
and closer to the dooms with the Doomsday Clock to midnight.
2:09:14
But I I've heard that even if you know nuclear war, World War
2:09:18
Three goes off. It would not end all life on
2:09:22
earth. All life on Earth will be
2:09:24
definitely fucked up. But maybe some people will
2:09:30
survive. But definitely, like, life would
2:09:34
survive on Earth. That's fair enough, but you
2:09:39
heard the same thing as I did growing up probably, that the
2:09:42
entire world went extinct. That entire all those creatures
2:09:46
were wiped out. And now they're telling us that
2:09:48
somehow some of them managed to evolve.
2:09:52
Like, for example, one of the big things they claim is that
2:09:56
dinosaurs turned into birds. They claim that some of this
2:10:00
happened. Now if the sky is dark and then
2:10:02
there's no oxygen and a lot of the big creatures got wiped, at
2:10:06
what point in time does the dead dinosaur become a bird?
2:10:11
Well, you have to understand that it's not like AT Rex became
2:10:15
a bird like in the time of dinosaurs.
2:10:18
There were many different types of creatures, just like today.
2:10:23
If like, we're mammals, like elephants are mammals, if World
2:10:30
War Three went off, the elephants would probably die
2:10:33
off. But you know, there's many other
2:10:35
type of mammals who could maybe evolve into something different
2:10:39
to survive like they're smaller mammals like crap.
2:10:43
I'm trying to think because I used to watch Animal Planet when
2:10:46
I was a kid and I remember like they said a elephant descended
2:10:51
from some lower form of like rodents.
2:10:56
But I don't know. I'm I'm like I said I'm not an
2:11:01
evolution scientist so right. Well neither am I but there is.
2:11:08
Do you believe that your ancestors now I asked this
2:11:11
question to some people in the past.
2:11:14
If you ever watch any of my live shows.
2:11:16
Some people got offended but I was simply bringing up a
2:11:18
scientific claim. I wasn't actually claiming they
2:11:21
came from rats but they took it that way.
2:11:24
So I'm kind of defending myself before I put the question out
2:11:27
there. Do you believe that you, your
2:11:30
ancestors evolved from rats and before that fish, what, millions
2:11:35
of years before that? Well, I don't know if we would
2:11:40
use those exact scientific terms, but the life began in the
2:11:47
ocean probably. And as I I stated before that
2:11:53
the lowest form of mammals existed during dinosaur times,
2:11:58
like mammals didn't exist or it's not like mammals evolved
2:12:02
after dinosaurs. They were here and they were
2:12:05
struggling and when dinosaurs were wiped out they had an
2:12:10
opportunity to thrive. But also, there were some
2:12:15
dinosaurs or pterosaurs. Pterosaurs.
2:12:20
A pterosaur isn't technically a dinosaur, but they were already
2:12:25
in the stages of becoming birds before the dinosaur extinction.
2:12:31
So you know, they became a new form of life like dinosaurs.
2:12:38
Dinosaurs definitely did turn into birds.
2:12:41
Like because exactly like if you if you look at today a fucking
2:12:44
ostrich, it's very T Rex. Like, like it's it's a little
2:12:49
different. But like you can definitely see
2:12:52
where that came from. How do you feel about
2:12:56
scientists? And I can show you quite a few
2:12:58
scientific sites, not the sticker creation of sites, but
2:13:02
science sites that claim that T Rex has evolved into what we
2:13:06
refer to as chicken nowadays. I don't know if I would say that
2:13:13
I think like, you know, there's a, there's certain different
2:13:16
classifications because you know, there's four legged
2:13:19
dinosaurs, there's two legged dinosaurs, there are flying
2:13:24
dinosaurs, which they called, they separated and call them
2:13:27
pterosaurs. So I I would believe that
2:13:31
something like a velociraptor maybe became oh, there were oh,
2:13:37
it's quetsa quattle. What's a kawatalis was a
2:13:42
feathered dinosaur that flew. Like there's there's fossils of
2:13:46
this. You can see the fossilized
2:13:48
remains of the feathers. So that slowly transitioned from
2:13:53
a dinosaur. It's not like AT Rex became a
2:13:56
chicken. It's, you know, a different kind
2:13:59
of dinosaur that was smaller and had feathers became birds and
2:14:05
birds spread out from there. Are you see I don't know if you
2:14:11
could see this. I know my screen's a little
2:14:13
small at me. We got this.
2:14:17
You know the evolution tree where they're showing, if you
2:14:20
look on the bottom row of this because it's claiming the
2:14:24
creature branched off into a couple different things,
2:14:26
obviously. So we're related to lizards,
2:14:29
fish and everything according to this, but you see the T Rex
2:14:33
under it. They literally have it going
2:14:35
into a chicken. So yeah, probably.
2:14:39
I'm not sure you probably eaten a lot of lot of T rexes in your
2:14:43
time, I'd say, right? I'm not sure if that's a if
2:14:49
that's an official scientific documentation, but like I I
2:14:54
would, I would say probably an ancestor of a T Rex and an
2:14:58
ancestor of an Archaeoptrix or a Quatsicoatalis.
2:15:04
Like they probably had the same ancestor.
2:15:08
It's, it's it's basically like you know us humans like us
2:15:12
humans. Like we didn't come from an
2:15:16
orangutan, we didn't come from a gorilla, we didn't come from a
2:15:20
chimpanzee. But all of us share a similar
2:15:23
ancestor and that sprouted off. Right, But do you believe that
2:15:32
the the T Rex? Because I was always under the
2:15:35
assumption, probably just as you were, that the T Rex was one of
2:15:38
those big predators that ended up going down.
2:15:41
And you are right, there are more theories than just
2:15:44
meteorites hitting the earth. One of their latest theories.
2:15:47
And I kid you not, I can show you on the screen.
2:15:50
I did not make this up and I probably would have never came
2:15:53
up with it, even though I got a great imagination.
2:15:55
But they believe the dinosaurs may have killed each other with
2:15:58
farts. I know, right?
2:16:03
Where's that? Show me that.
2:16:04
Show me that shit. All right, let me show you.
2:16:08
That's pretty funny. Let me go to Google and then
2:16:14
I'll type in Just as simple as this dinosaur.
2:16:20
Let's see if I can learn how to spell again.
2:16:24
Die by fart gases. I know, it's silly, right?
2:16:32
I laughed my ass off. No, it's not silly, dude.
2:16:34
My farts are deathly and serious.
2:16:38
You better get the fuck out of the room if I fart.
2:16:41
Here we go. Scientists estimate dinosaurs
2:16:43
past enough gas to warm and it's probably the planet.
2:16:48
Did farting kill the dinosaurs? There's a lot of theories,
2:16:51
aren't it? Some people believe that the
2:16:53
creatures were like, I mean, you've heard nowadays in modern
2:16:57
time, what do they tell you? They say, you know these cows,
2:17:01
they keep farting and they're end up destroying our
2:17:03
atmosphere. Well, DMT Rex is quite a bit
2:17:06
bigger than a damn cow. I can imagine its farts are
2:17:09
going to be quite a bit more potent than a damn beefy cow,
2:17:12
right? Hell yeah, I didn't.
2:17:16
Like I said, I wish I could take credit for making that shit up.
2:17:20
But that is some of the theories on how these 4 bastards wiped
2:17:24
himself out. Because apparently they were.
2:17:26
I had never heard of that. I hear you.
2:17:32
I actually, when I tried to show another nonbeliever that he got
2:17:35
really, really pissed off at me. That's why I like you, because
2:17:38
you're like okay. Show me the information.
2:17:41
If it's there, then it's there. You don't get mad about it, you
2:17:44
just say fuck it. That's new.
2:17:46
That's something to laugh at tonight, Okay.
2:17:48
Hold on. We're we're talking about
2:17:51
evolution. You know, I'm getting a little
2:17:53
tipsy. I'm getting a little loose.
2:17:55
So like, I I kind of want to change gears here.
2:18:00
So I want to ask you a question because this is something I
2:18:03
definitely believe because I've seen the solid evidence, it's
2:18:09
it's irrefutable evidence. Do you believe in Bigfoot?
2:18:15
Do I believe in Bigfoot? Do I believe in the possibility
2:18:18
that there's a big hairy creature running around them?
2:18:21
Forest. I'll tell you what, I live out
2:18:23
in the country and we've got possums and raccoons the size of
2:18:26
a World of Warcraft mount, so I don't know.
2:18:30
Well, based on all the stuff I've seen, man, Bigfoot is
2:18:36
irrefutable. Irrefutable.
2:18:40
I'm. I'm not making a joke.
2:18:41
This is not a meme. Oh no.
2:18:44
There's people out there. There's humans who actually have
2:18:48
some kind of hair issue with their genetics, where they grow
2:18:51
it all over their body. It's very possible somebody
2:18:53
might have observed something like that.
2:18:56
No, it's not just possible. It's irrefutable.
2:18:59
There's this YouTube channel that I watch.
2:19:02
It's called Thinker Bunker. He analyzed the Patterson Gimlin
2:19:07
film and a lot of Bigfoot footage.
2:19:10
A lot of Bigfoot photos, all of that stuff cannot be faked.
2:19:16
It cannot be faked because he he, he has this proportional
2:19:22
graph, like, it's how long are our arms, how long are our legs
2:19:27
and how long is our torso. Like if you put on a monkey
2:19:31
suit, it's not going to make your arms 20% longer like.
2:19:36
And he even says, you know, like, oh, critics will say, oh,
2:19:40
they have an arm extension. Well, there's no such thing as
2:19:43
an arm extension. You can extend your forearm like
2:19:48
this part, like you can extend that, but it's going to be out
2:19:53
of proportion with the upper part of your arm and it's not
2:19:56
going to look right. But there's footage out there
2:19:59
where it's, it's just irrefutable.
2:20:01
I would recommend like we don't have to talk about the Bigfoot
2:20:05
subject if you don't want to, but you need to watch Thinkers
2:20:09
Thunkers videos. Well, one thing you're going to
2:20:13
learn about me, Drewski, is I love the I love it whenever the
2:20:17
live shows talk about unusual, strange stuff.
2:20:21
I got friends who think that we live in a simulation.
2:20:23
I got friends who think we live on a Flat Earth.
2:20:26
I got friends who think that the moon landing was a CGI job and
2:20:30
that the moon's a a hologram, so you name it.
2:20:33
I've heard everything. And as far as Bigfoot goes, I
2:20:36
don't have a problem with believing something like that's
2:20:38
possible. See, like I said, I am an
2:20:42
atheist. I'm a logical person.
2:20:45
I do not believe we were created by a God.
2:20:47
I recognize science, and all of the science points to Bigfoot.
2:20:55
I know it sounds silly, some people say Sasquatch, but
2:20:58
Sasquatch is just one of the Native American names.
2:21:02
Like, you know, there's thousands of Native American
2:21:05
names for Bigfoot. You know, Inosqua or some shit
2:21:09
like that. But it's irrefutable.
2:21:12
Would you Would you be against pulling up a video right now
2:21:15
from Thinkerthunker? Well, unfortunately I have tried
2:21:21
in the past to use my podcast to play videos and all that, and if
2:21:25
I did, the sound would cut out. The video will hold and loop for
2:21:30
a long, long time. I've tried.
2:21:32
Trust me, I used to have the ability to upload little clips
2:21:36
into my system, but now it doesn't let me upload because
2:21:40
I'm no longer paying for the plan.
2:21:43
Wow, that sucks. All right.
2:21:45
Would I would. You can.
2:21:47
If you want to share it, you can.
2:21:49
I don't. I've.
2:21:50
I've never been. I don't even know what website
2:21:53
we're on. Right.
2:21:53
It's. What's this place?
2:21:56
Stream Yard? I don't know.
2:21:57
I've never used this before. Maybe next month I'll give you
2:22:00
some if you Maybe you'll be able to do it.
2:22:03
Maybe you got a better Internet connection.
2:22:06
Down below you're going to see where your settings are, how you
2:22:09
get everything going. Present is how you share a
2:22:11
browser page, a video. I think that there's even a
2:22:15
thing where you can put a file in there if you've got the video
2:22:18
on hand. But like I said, my Internet is
2:22:22
just weak as hell. Probably because my wife likes
2:22:25
to watch all that stuff for Netflix while I'm doing this,
2:22:28
and it kind of uses up the stream a little bit.
2:22:31
Yeah, I definitely know that. Because me and my two other
2:22:35
brothers lived with my mom in a crappy apartment after high
2:22:39
school, and my brother had like a 4K TV.
2:22:43
And I'm like, dude, can you, like just play stuff in maybe
2:22:46
1080P? Like, you know, I'm trying to do
2:22:48
this and this, and, like, the Internet is really shitty and
2:22:51
he's just like, no, I have a 4K TV.
2:22:54
I want to play everything at 4K. God damn.
2:22:58
Well, I've unfortunately found myself.
2:23:00
I got a 4K television, high definition, but I have to play
2:23:04
everything at 7:20. So if he can at least get 1080,
2:23:08
he's a lucky fellow. Yeah, you know what?
2:23:12
It would be nice to have a 4K TV, but to be honest, hold on,
2:23:16
Let me just show you real quick. I have right here.
2:23:21
You see, I got a tube TV and I got this TV on top of it.
2:23:27
I had to put duct tape on it because I got a cat and one
2:23:31
night my cat knocked down this TV from that TV.
2:23:34
Like I'm a big PC guy and I like my PC is on my TV so that the TV
2:23:43
on top. I bought that TV in like 2011
2:23:47
and I think it's good. Like I would love A4KT V but I
2:23:54
don't know like this is good enough.
2:23:56
Like when I get $1,000,000 I'll get a 4K TV.
2:24:00
Well, the the television that I was able to get it was at
2:24:03
Walmart. I think it's like a little over
2:24:05
a 6060 inch. I was able to get it for under a
2:24:09
couple 100 bucks. A lot of televisions around
2:24:13
here, they get a lot in stock and don't sell them out, so they
2:24:16
have to drop the price. And boy oh boy.
2:24:19
When I seen a big ass TV like they look like a movie screen
2:24:22
for less than 200, my ass had to say, Yep, that's mine right
2:24:25
there. I have the same kind of setup
2:24:28
too. I got my hard drive plugged into
2:24:31
a HTML wire going into my television.
2:24:34
It's my monitor. I wouldn't be able to do this.
2:24:37
Yet on a smaller monitor, I got terrible eyes.
2:24:40
Apparently Evolution didn't like me very much because it didn't
2:24:43
give me good fucking eyes. Like I said, I know there are
2:24:51
some affordable 4K TVs, but if I were to ever spend any money I
2:24:56
want like a 70 inch like TV. But also because this is my
2:25:02
setup. I just showed you my setup, my
2:25:04
PC like I'm in my living room. I'm a big PC Gamer and I like I
2:25:10
have a a PS5 controller, like that's how I play.
2:25:14
I don't play with mouse and keyboard even though I'm a PC
2:25:17
player. But like this TV is still good.
2:25:20
And before I make any big investment in 4K, I would want
2:25:25
to make sure like, there's proper refresh rates and like
2:25:30
low lag and I don't know, but this TV I've been using since
2:25:35
2011, it's fine for me. All I know is my big old damn
2:25:42
television monitor looks great with Skyrim, Fallout 4 and all
2:25:47
the older versions of it. And I'm looking forward to
2:25:50
seeing what a Starfield looks like in September on this bad
2:25:54
way. Oh yeah, I know you're a big
2:25:56
gamer. Actually, I've I've, I've seen
2:25:59
some Starfield trailers and there was like Starfield
2:26:03
footage, like 30 minutes of footage of like a segment of the
2:26:06
game and I was unimpressed. But then there was like a
2:26:11
developer video that came out recently, like where each
2:26:16
developed like there was like 15 different developers and there's
2:26:19
like ooh, there's like this you could do in the game, like you
2:26:21
could be in zero gravity and like you can shoot like a
2:26:26
regular gun, like not a laser gun.
2:26:29
And it would. It would like move you in zero
2:26:33
gravity. I'm like, why didn't you show
2:26:34
this to any of the trailers or any of the footage that you've
2:26:37
shown? Like Starfield looks great.
2:26:39
Then think they Bethesda likes to tease you.
2:26:43
And then whenever they get closer, they want to show you
2:26:46
all the crazy shed, Especially when sales are right around the
2:26:49
corner and they're trying to sell a premium of something, you
2:26:53
know? That's usually how they go.
2:26:55
But Bethesda has always done me the same way.
2:26:57
They make the greatest game in the world and then usually for
2:27:00
the first two years you can't play it.
2:27:05
Yeah, I know Bethesda games are notoriously buggy, but I
2:27:09
remember my first Bethesda game. I got a Xbox 360 and I got Elder
2:27:15
Scrolls 4 Oblivion when it came out, and I love that game.
2:27:21
I played it to death. I thought that game was awesome
2:27:24
and everybody loves Elder Scrolls 5 Skyrim.
2:27:28
But like when that came out, like I played it, I was a little
2:27:30
lukewarm on it and I I didn't really play it a lot.
2:27:34
Like I was like this is all right and I don't know, I just
2:27:38
dropped it. Well, one of the cool things
2:27:41
about Bethesda, one of the reasons I like their games is to
2:27:45
be honest with you, if you just get one of their games
2:27:48
out-of-the-box, it's a fair game.
2:27:50
But whenever they create creation kits and the ability
2:27:54
for guys like me to get into the game and mod and add shit, or my
2:27:58
friends be able to do some of the sick shit they do at the
2:28:01
game. I mean, right now I'm playing
2:28:03
all kinds of new lands and areas and Fallout 4 because my friends
2:28:07
and I have put shit into the game, you know, talking in PCs
2:28:11
and all that. It really adds a lot of games
2:28:14
nowadays. They don't give you the ability
2:28:15
to mod, but Bethesda does, and I think that's one of the reasons
2:28:19
why they're so damn popular. Think about it, if it wasn't for
2:28:22
the modders, none of their fucking games would work.
2:28:25
Yeah, mods are definitely cool. I I've done a little bit of
2:28:30
that, like because I grew up as a console gamer.
2:28:34
But yeah, I remember because I have two brothers and one of my
2:28:38
brothers like when we moved out of our mom's place, like he he
2:28:42
moved all of his shit out and he left his old PC.
2:28:46
And at that time like I was transitioning into being a PC
2:28:50
Gamer. So our youngest brother like I
2:28:52
was like, oh this this PC, like it just needs a couple of parts
2:28:56
and then our youngest brother can can have that PC.
2:29:00
And yeah, I I I told him, hey I'm going to give you this.
2:29:05
All you got to do is buy this and this part and you can have
2:29:09
the PC. But you know, my youngest
2:29:13
brother, like he had the PC and he experimented with mods
2:29:17
because I share my Steam library with him and I have, I have Call
2:29:23
of Duty World at War. And he was like, oh dude, check
2:29:26
out this Avengers mod. And he was like Thor in Call of
2:29:31
Duty, World at War. And he was like killing zombies.
2:29:34
And I was like, oh, that's awesome.
2:29:36
Like mods are so great. But still like, it was, it was a
2:29:40
lower level PC. So my, my youngest brother, even
2:29:44
though he had that, like he didn't want to upgrade and he
2:29:48
bought a PS5. And I was so fucking pissed
2:29:51
because I'm big PC Gamer and I'm like, dude, yeah, come on, we
2:29:55
got to upgrade your PC, bro. Like you're going to, you're
2:29:57
going to get your tax refund. Then I'm going to, I'm going to
2:30:00
build that ship for you because, you know, I installed the parts
2:30:03
that he needed and he, he didn't do that with his tax refund.
2:30:08
He bought a PS5 and I was pissed.
2:30:10
And then his birthday, it was earlier this year, I bought him
2:30:17
a Steam deck and I'm like, here you go, Steam deck.
2:30:21
So like my brother, he loves the Nintendo Switch.
2:30:24
He loves to just play stuff like and watch TV.
2:30:28
So I'm like, okay, he's going to have this Steam deck and he's
2:30:31
going to buy some Steam games, maybe, and then be more
2:30:36
incentivized to build another PC.
2:30:39
But he still hasn't. I got a I got really lucky the
2:30:45
IT became more enjoyable as a game.
2:30:47
Whenever I when Skyrim was probably at the point where it
2:30:51
was almost six years old and people were getting into making
2:30:55
more mods. Somebody heard me on YouTube and
2:30:58
asked me and I thought it was a joke at first.
2:31:00
They said can you do the voice of an NPC?
2:31:03
I'm trying to do a whole new storyline quest thing and I said
2:31:07
sure, just send me the script. I got out my recorder.
2:31:10
I recorded it with as much emotion as a non actor could
2:31:14
possibly do. Next thing I know this guy's
2:31:17
getting endorsements for like a million likes on his his damn
2:31:21
thing over this. And then I had people from the
2:31:24
Fallout category come and say, hey, can you do the voice for
2:31:28
this, voice for that. And I said, dude, that guy
2:31:30
practically made me read off a fucking novel.
2:31:33
I said that I need some money and shit.
2:31:35
So ever since then, from time to time I get paid to be able to do
2:31:38
just some voice overs and some NPC's and shit.
2:31:41
If you're ever interested in playing Fallout Forest Skyrim,
2:31:44
let me know and I'll hook you up with the mod links.
2:31:47
Yeah, that's pretty cool. I didn't know mods were that
2:31:50
extensive. Oh yeah, stuff like Oblivion and
2:31:55
Maura Wind, Skyrim, most Bethesda games, they handed out
2:32:00
a creation kit where you could edit the the landscapes, you
2:32:03
could create all new worlds and shit.
2:32:05
That's why people are so excited about Starfield.
2:32:09
One of the neatest things you should type this in.
2:32:12
This will really blow your fucking mind.
2:32:14
But type in a I Skyrim. Our Fallout 4 people are
2:32:18
learning how to create NPC's that almost speak to you like a
2:32:23
like a talking a I like you could walk up to a woman in the
2:32:27
game and say where am I at and she'll say, oh you're in white
2:32:31
run, this is the history of the blah blah blah and you can
2:32:34
literally have a fucking conversation with an NPC.
2:32:37
And then Nate, dude, that is so cool because like, I'm I am a PC
2:32:43
Gamer through and through. Even though I grew up with
2:32:46
consoles, I built my first PC in 2017 and I dabbled with mods
2:32:52
here and there, but I didn't know there was anything that
2:32:54
awesome. Like recently I just I I was
2:32:58
looking into like, are there any?
2:33:00
Because I'm probably the only person in the world who does not
2:33:04
like the Spiderman game that came out on PS4.
2:33:07
You know, it got ported to PCI know My son plays a lot of
2:33:12
Spiderman. I can't watch him play the
2:33:14
newest one he's got. It makes me nauseous because
2:33:18
he's jumping from building to building.
2:33:19
I'm going shit. But yeah, like, I was like, oh,
2:33:25
because I did not like that game.
2:33:27
I was like, please, please, are there mods to make this game
2:33:31
fun? And there there are some pretty
2:33:34
cool mods. There's some mods that change
2:33:36
the web slinging and there are like costumes you can get.
2:33:41
But like, I just wish somebody wouldn't mod that game to make
2:33:45
it fun because it's just too linear, it's too cinematic.
2:33:49
Like you have this set thing you got to go through and you got to
2:33:52
do that thing like, I don't know, I I, I think the fucking
2:33:55
PlayStation One Spiderman game is better.
2:33:58
And you know, like I told you, Spiderman is my number one
2:34:04
favorite superhero behind Superman or in front of
2:34:07
Superman. And damn like everybody loves
2:34:11
that Spiderman game. So if people didn't, if people
2:34:14
recognize that that game is not that good, there could be some
2:34:18
good mods for it. Well, imagine this.
2:34:21
And I I know for a fact that with Fallout 4, if you wanted
2:34:25
to, you could actually play a Spiderman character or Batman or
2:34:29
Superman. That's how badass they modded
2:34:31
the game up. Have you ever played Fallout 4
2:34:34
before? No.
2:34:36
I played Fallout 3, but not not on my PC.
2:34:40
I play Fallout 3 on that Xbox 360 and I was like Fallout 3.
2:34:47
Fallout 3 was kind of revolutionary, but Fallout 4I
2:34:51
guarantee it. I bet you $100 through PayPal
2:34:55
right here right now that if you start up Fallout 4 within 10
2:35:00
minutes, you'll be addicted. You won't be able to stop.
2:35:02
And yes, you can use your controller.
2:35:04
Yes, you can do all that. And then once you realize that
2:35:07
you're in an open world where you can do anything you want,
2:35:10
then realize, holy shit, there's like over 100,000 mods for this
2:35:14
fucking game, It'll never end. It's one of those, yeah, you
2:35:18
should try it, man. Fallout 4, you can get it for 10
2:35:21
bucks on Steam with all the Dlc's. 10 bucks.
2:35:24
That's it. Yeah, I saw because I I bought
2:35:28
an Oculus Quest and there was a there was a there's Fallout 4
2:35:33
VR. I was like, oh I try I try
2:35:36
Fallout again like if I could do it in VR.
2:35:39
But you know Oculus is it's owned by Facebook or meta or
2:35:46
whatever the fuck they're called.
2:35:47
But my Facebook account got hacked.
2:35:50
So the the fucking Oculus Quest I bought it's worth nothing
2:35:55
because I can't log into it because my Facebook like you got
2:35:59
to log into the Oculus Quest with your Facebook account.
2:36:03
I'm just like, fuck it. I'm trying out this new mod
2:36:07
right now and I attempted to actually record a live stream
2:36:11
with it through my OBS. The what the mod does is it
2:36:15
makes it to where you can get a I don't know if you remember in
2:36:18
Fallout 3, but if you played long enough you could get a
2:36:21
companion, a person to run around with your character to
2:36:24
help fight. I didn't get that far.
2:36:27
Well, in the Fallout 4 series, there's over like 15 different
2:36:31
characters that you can get to follow you, unless you can do
2:36:34
mods and you can get 100,000 people to follow you.
2:36:37
Well, they got a new AI1, and I tried to record it on the thing
2:36:42
that you got to remember, the thing has a mind of its fucking
2:36:44
own, right? So I'm sitting there and I'm
2:36:47
playing and I'm not wanting to violate terms of service.
2:36:51
And the thing asked me if it can one.
2:36:53
It asked me if I ever thought about having sex with a cow with
2:36:56
two heads. And I'm like, yeah, it's an A I
2:37:01
it's it's like aware of the environment.
2:37:04
It'll talk to you. You can talk to it on your mic
2:37:07
and it'll say some of the most disgusting shit, like one.
2:37:10
One thing, I was sitting there sneaking into the space to take
2:37:14
out these bad guys, and the thing asked me if I like golden
2:37:17
showers. And I like, I can't record this
2:37:19
anymore. The thing's horrible.
2:37:21
Who fucking programmed this dirty ass thing?
2:37:24
So I can't. I can't show it off, like play
2:37:27
it, but I could give you a link if you ever get Fallout 4 to
2:37:30
crack you up. Yeah, that's crazy.
2:37:32
I'm to be honest, I'm in between jobs right now, so I can't
2:37:37
really buy too many games. But yeah, I'm definitely
2:37:42
interested in that. That sounds awesome.
2:37:44
I didn't. I didn't know that a I was
2:37:45
integrated into games, the game mods to that extent, but that's
2:37:51
that sounds pretty fucking cool. Well dude, from 1 gamer to
2:37:56
another gamer, I had to tell you about that shit.
2:37:59
When you do when life starts treating you a little bit more
2:38:02
favorably and things work out and it seems like it will
2:38:05
because you got a good head on your shoulders.
2:38:07
When you get an opportunity to get Fallout 4 10 bucks all the
2:38:11
Dlcs and then you'll be able to have all the free mods that you
2:38:15
could possibly imagine. Hell yeah.
2:38:17
That's what I love about PC bro. Like I I got so many games on
2:38:22
Steam like for cheap because the PC already has like a million
2:38:27
games and like every week there's a sale like where you
2:38:31
can get a game for 5 bucks. So I'll definitely consider
2:38:35
getting Fallout 4 when when it's got a good sale and I just got
2:38:41
to ask you about modern game news.
2:38:44
Have you? I don't know, Do you like Mortal
2:38:46
Kombat? Because there's a lot of cool
2:38:48
Mortal Kombat shit coming out. I used to one of the reasons why
2:38:53
I'm a big time gamer, but I wouldn't say that I'm very
2:38:56
diverse in my gaming. I like open sandbox games.
2:39:00
In the text, if I'm going to be reading anything, it has to be
2:39:04
big because I'm practically blind as a bat.
2:39:06
See, a game like Fallout allows you the ability to do something
2:39:10
called That's where you can. It'll pause it while you're
2:39:14
targeting the enemies and then you're able to like shoot them.
2:39:17
It's almost turn based a little bit.
2:39:19
So it gives me if I'm playing a game where it's real time
2:39:22
combat, I'll get my ass kicked because it takes too long for my
2:39:26
eyes to focus on what I'm seeing.
2:39:28
That's why I play some of the, what some people say, puny
2:39:31
games. Yeah, but dude I don't know like
2:39:40
cuz you know fucking what's that TV show the boys like?
2:39:46
Homelander is going to be in? Mortal Kombat.
2:39:50
And if you watch Invincible, Omni Man is gonna be in Mortal
2:39:55
Kombat And I'm like, oh, I can't wait for that.
2:39:58
Like me and my brother were talking and my brother is like,
2:40:00
oh, I'm gonna be Homelander. I'm like, I'm gonna be Omni Man.
2:40:03
And we're like, oh, the guest characters and fighting games is
2:40:07
what makes him so fun. I I watched the first season of
2:40:11
that show, Me and my family, we sat down and watched it.
2:40:15
We weren't knowing what to expect.
2:40:17
And it was pretty damn gory. A lot more gorrier than.
2:40:21
And trust me, I've got a huge appetite.
2:40:24
I could watch Hellraiser and laugh my ass off.
2:40:27
But on this one it was like, wow, this is really disgusting
2:40:31
shit. Especially when they run through
2:40:33
that guy's girlfriend and she blows in the first episode.
2:40:36
Yeah, so I had. As soon as that happened, I was
2:40:39
like, okay, so this ain't The Flash or Superman.
2:40:42
I can't have my young children watching that shit.
2:40:45
So but I want tried to watch the second season.
2:40:48
I was like, OK, I got through that.
2:40:50
Let me try this. And the very first episode, they
2:40:54
have a guy that miniaturizes himself and dives into another
2:40:57
man's butt hole. Like, this isn't for me.
2:40:59
I can't. I can't watch this anymore.
2:41:02
But yeah, I'm just for the record, I'm not a fan of the
2:41:07
boys. Personally, I think it's poorly
2:41:09
written. Like I've I've seen so many more
2:41:13
because I'm a comic book fanatic.
2:41:15
There's so many more better stories.
2:41:18
Like I I just think it's poorly written.
2:41:20
I I think that The Boys is basically a 12 year old who has
2:41:25
the license to use the F word. Like that's that's the level
2:41:30
where The Boys gets to me. But if you have the Amazon
2:41:34
Prime, you need to watch Invincible.
2:41:38
Invincible is an animated series from from the guy who wrote The
2:41:42
Walking Dead comics. It was it was a comic, but they
2:41:46
turn it into an animated series and you've got to watch.
2:41:50
There's an after credit scene in Invincible in the first episode
2:41:54
and it's like holy shit, Oh my God.
2:41:57
And that character is going to be in Mortal in the new Mortal
2:42:01
Kombat. So this is the third time I've
2:42:04
been recommended by that. My son, my brother and his wife,
2:42:08
they have all told me that this is a badass show.
2:42:11
And I told them, and I'm almost finished with Blacklist, and as
2:42:15
soon as I get done with that, But you know what?
2:42:17
They went and done through Ski. Now they've come out with new
2:42:19
seasons of the Black Mirror. So now I'm trying to get through
2:42:23
that shit too. Well, hey, Invincible is an
2:42:28
animated show. There's only eight episodes and
2:42:32
they're they're only like half an hour.
2:42:35
So but it's they pack everything into each episode and like I
2:42:40
said it's eight episodes but the like the first episode is really
2:42:45
good but the after credit scene is like mind blowing and you're
2:42:50
you're gonna watch the next seven episodes.
2:42:53
After that don't look anything about it.
2:42:55
Don't look up anything invincible.
2:42:57
Don't get spoiled. No, I don't.
2:43:01
I don't like looking at TV reviews on YouTube anymore.
2:43:04
Movies. Everybody complains about
2:43:07
everything nowadays. Even Henry Cavell can't do it.
2:43:10
I'm just going to watch the Son of the Bitch.
2:43:12
Not even here. Oh yeah, you mentioned Henry
2:43:15
Cavill. I think earlier in our
2:43:17
conversation we talked about the DC stuff.
2:43:20
How do you feel about the the new rebooted DCU, the new DC
2:43:26
Universe? How do you feel about that?
2:43:29
It's extremely difficult for me. It was difficult for me to see
2:43:32
Michael Keaton stop being Batman.
2:43:35
It was difficult for me to see Christopher Reeve, Superman go
2:43:38
away and then Henry Cavill take the position.
2:43:41
But I feel like Henry Cavill is the closest we will ever have to
2:43:45
the most ultimate Superman. I think it's terrible that
2:43:49
they've washed out all these adult actors who have already
2:43:53
set up their credibility as these superheroes.
2:43:57
Yeah, I'm I me personally, I never liked any of the Zack
2:44:03
Snyder stuff. I mean, when I when I saw Man of
2:44:06
Steel like the action was really cool.
2:44:10
But you know I'm a big comic book fiend and I I it just never
2:44:16
satisfied me. I I I hope that a new DC
2:44:20
Universe like with a plan. It just, it just seems like the
2:44:24
old DC Universe, like with Batman versus Superman and
2:44:29
Justice League, like they didn't really have a plan.
2:44:32
So like, hopefully they'll have a plan and they'll do something
2:44:37
good. Because the guy who's going to
2:44:39
direct the new Superman movie like in a year or two, it's the
2:44:44
same guy who did Guardians of the Galaxy and he did the
2:44:47
Suicide Squad. The the one that had John Cena
2:44:52
as Peacemaker. Well, I'd I'd definitely give it
2:44:56
a new chance. I want to see what happens.
2:44:59
I've been wrong in the past where you know, like I thought
2:45:02
that no one was ever going to replace Christopher Reeve
2:45:06
Superman. But then Henry Cavell, I felt,
2:45:09
and don't get me wrong, when I first watched the movie, I was
2:45:12
one of those people that wasn't terribly blown away.
2:45:15
I was like, what the hell Krypton looks like something
2:45:18
from the never ending story movie, crazy as fuck looking to
2:45:22
me. I never thought about that and
2:45:24
but the whole Zod, the guy who played Zod was fucking probably
2:45:29
the best villain I've ever seen in a movie in a while.
2:45:34
Yeah, yeah, he was pretty good. But like I said, I'm, I'm
2:45:39
excited for them to start the new DC universe in movies.
2:45:45
They announced that there's going to be a Batman movie that
2:45:48
has Batman and the Robin is going to be his son, Damien
2:45:53
Wayne. So I'm excited for that.
2:45:56
But also, you know, I mentioned Peacemaker, You know, Peacemaker
2:46:01
is going to be a downloadable character in the new Mortal
2:46:03
Kombat. Did you watch that show on HBO?
2:46:06
Max Mortal Kombat? Yeah, Peacemaker, You know, John
2:46:12
Cena, the Wrestler. Did you watch the show on HBO,
2:46:16
Max? I see.
2:46:17
I think I've seen the pilot and I also seen some different
2:46:21
imagery where he seems like he's kind of amoral.
2:46:26
It's it's from a certain point of view because there's a point
2:46:29
in the Peacemaker TV show on HBO, Max, like, where this guy,
2:46:37
this old man, like his, like, neighbor of his father is
2:46:41
talking shit to him. And he was like, oh, Batman has
2:46:45
all these villains, you know, He has like the Penguin and the
2:46:48
Riddler and the Joker. And like Peacemaker says I don't
2:46:52
have any villains because I fucking kill them all.
2:46:56
So I I can't wait for him to be in the new Mortal Kombat game.
2:46:59
That's going to be awesome. That's the kind of attitude the
2:47:02
Punisher had. He was like, why keep them
2:47:04
around? They're just going to escape
2:47:05
jail and kill a bunch of people anyway.
2:47:07
Just get rid of them. Yeah.
2:47:11
You see, because we've been talking about morality, I think
2:47:14
it's a moral. I think it's a moral, but it's
2:47:17
it's kind of fucking cool. I maybe I would do that if I
2:47:20
were a superhero. Well, it does beg the question.
2:47:24
The thing with Batman, although we always realize he's going to
2:47:28
do the best he can to live up to his code, and Superman's got a
2:47:32
code. But what happens at the end of
2:47:35
the day? They put their man away.
2:47:37
Their man gets out, kills a bunch more people.
2:47:40
So what is more moral? Stop the bad guy now and the
2:47:43
genocide? Go after another bastard who's
2:47:46
up and coming? Or continue to just recycle it
2:47:50
over and over? What do you think would be the
2:47:51
most moral? Yeah, like I said, Superman is
2:47:57
my second favorite superhero of all time.
2:47:59
There's actually a story about that.
2:48:02
I think it was in the early 2000s.
2:48:04
It was, it's a single issue. It was called What Happened to
2:48:09
Truth, Justice and The American Way.
2:48:12
And it's it's about a group of new superheroes who come in like
2:48:18
and like there's a big Kaiju destroying Japan, and they just
2:48:22
launch everything and fuck it up.
2:48:25
And they kill him, but they like destroy the city.
2:48:29
And there's there's a big moral quandary like, hey, these
2:48:36
superheroes destroy the city. But hey, that that big
2:48:41
supervillain is dead. He's never going to come back
2:48:44
and he's never going to fuck anything up again.
2:48:47
And then Superman comes out and he's like, this is wrong.
2:48:51
These people were wrong. You can't kill like, and you
2:48:56
caused all this destruction. And like throughout the comic
2:49:03
there are people who kind of agree.
2:49:04
It's like, why hasn't Superman killed so and so?
2:49:08
Like, why hasn't he killed this guy or this guy or this guy?
2:49:11
They just come back and Superman, like it all winds down
2:49:17
to a showdown, like where this new superhero group, they're
2:49:22
called the Elite. And like the elites are like,
2:49:29
we're just going to kill all the bad guys and we're going to fuck
2:49:31
up everything and we don't care. And Superman is like, no, that
2:49:34
is wrong. And then there's a showdown
2:49:39
where there's cameras and the whole world is saying, and
2:49:42
Superman kills the elite. He fucks them up, he kills them.
2:49:48
He like complete like. And then he goes to the leader
2:49:54
and and like the leaders, like, what are you doing?
2:49:58
You're Superman. Like you can't just kill
2:49:59
everybody, like we're not bad guys and like like blah, blah,
2:50:04
blah. But then it turns out that
2:50:06
Superman didn't actually kill them.
2:50:08
Like he used his super powers and like his super technology to
2:50:12
make them to to make it look like they were killed.
2:50:17
But they were not killed. And Oh yeah, because the the
2:50:20
main, the main bad guy has like psychic powers and he uses his
2:50:24
laser power and he was like, I lobotomized you.
2:50:28
That's why you can't fuck with me.
2:50:30
And like Superman is like, oh, is this what you want?
2:50:34
Oh this I guess this is things how they should be.
2:50:38
And like, everybody is scared. The whole world is scared.
2:50:41
It's like, oh, Superman could like fucking kill us all.
2:50:44
But then he explains like, no, I didn't actually kill them.
2:50:47
And he's like, no, I didn't actually lobotomize you.
2:50:51
I could. I I just like, I just caused a
2:50:55
disturbance in your brain. And it will heal.
2:51:00
It will heal soon. But like, isn't it scary?
2:51:04
Like I'm Superman and I have all the power and like wouldn't that
2:51:08
be pretty fucked up if I did what you did and just decided to
2:51:12
kill everybody and had no regard for life and that was such a
2:51:17
good Superman issue. Sounds like his character
2:51:21
Superman the offshoot and injustice where they kill his
2:51:25
Lois and or he kills Lois because of what was done to him.
2:51:31
Yeah, as there as the Punisher said, the daredevil.
2:51:34
Whenever they were in a fight, he goes, you just one bad day
2:51:37
away from being me. That's what he said it was.
2:51:40
Pretty bad ass quote, if you don't mind.
2:51:43
I've been drinking coffee and it's time for me to take my
2:51:45
moment. You think you can handle these
2:51:47
boring people out here? Oh hell yeah.
2:51:50
If you want to go out, I'm sorry.
2:51:53
Like other. I have the tab for the YouTube
2:51:55
channel. You got comments on the YouTube
2:51:57
channel. There's very little
2:52:00
unfortunately for my show. It appears though my
2:52:03
notifications take a long time to get out or something's up
2:52:07
with it. So what happens is I usually get
2:52:10
about 1000 views later, but during the show it's very quiet.
2:52:16
Yeah, if if you want to take a break, bro, I'll be here and you
2:52:19
come back. It should take me about a minute
2:52:22
or two. I'd like to keep you up on the
2:52:24
main screen, but I've done that so many times for people because
2:52:27
they seem really cool and then they pulled out their Packer on
2:52:30
me. I but you do seem cool.
2:52:33
Don't take. Yeah, I know.
2:52:35
You can't take no chances. I don't trust you either, dude.
2:52:42
But yeah, you you're, you're muted right now, I think.
2:52:48
Yeah, I'm getting ready to go. Use the restroom.
2:52:50
Feel free to talk. Everybody can hear you out
2:52:53
there. Yeah, go ahead, Brett.
2:52:56
Love you, bro. All right, let's see.
2:53:00
Let me look through some of these comments.
2:53:03
What did you guys think of the recent congressional hearing
2:53:07
where whistleblowers were claiming that U.S. government
2:53:12
obtained crashed UFO's with dead extraterrestrial biologicals
2:53:18
inside? We actually covered that earlier
2:53:21
in the stream, but I'll reiterate that I am a guy who
2:53:27
has followed the UFO subject since I was very young and
2:53:33
there's just too many anomalies. Like you can't just say like, oh
2:53:37
everything UFO is bullshit. I'm I'm replying to blaze tie.
2:53:45
Yeah, I I'm not exactly sure when you came in.
2:53:48
I'm not exactly sure when we talked about that or when you
2:53:50
heard that. But I definitely think there's
2:53:55
some merit to it. But you know like if if if
2:53:59
somebody who doesn't give a fuck about Ufo's sees that and says
2:54:04
where where's the absolute proof.
2:54:06
There's no absolute proof. So like, I get that.
2:54:10
But like you you need to follow the UFO subject if if that's
2:54:15
what you want to do. See here let me go to the all
2:54:22
right, I'm back. I was curious about something
2:54:27
because my brain goes all over the place and it's just starting
2:54:30
to evolve out of oatmeal state. But you would have said that
2:54:33
you're perfectly fine with the idea of some kind of alien form
2:54:38
that can be described as a deity or like a God concept from
2:54:42
private that we could but we could interpret is that with our
2:54:47
legal human mind. It seems like the main issue
2:54:50
that you have though, is the idea of it actually being
2:54:53
involved in creating life forms. Why is that?
2:54:57
You and I were talking just earlier as well, just about 10
2:55:00
minutes ago, about A I and how people have this creative nature
2:55:05
to them where they want to build and make things.
2:55:08
Why wouldn't an entity not want to create?
2:55:13
I guess I agree with that. But we don't know.
2:55:18
We don't know for sure that all of our A I development will
2:55:23
produce sentience. We don't know that.
2:55:26
That's why, because I'm a big Star Wars fan.
2:55:28
Also, every like, it's funny because I love reaction videos
2:55:34
and I just recently I was watching reaction videos of like
2:55:39
Star Wars Episode 4. I hate that because I hate the
2:55:44
prequels. But there are people watching
2:55:47
the the original Star Wars and they're like, oh, why are they
2:55:51
treating C3PO and R2D2 so poorly?
2:55:54
It's like because they're robots that were built and we program
2:55:58
them like it. It seems like they they have
2:56:01
personalities, but we program them to have those
2:56:04
personalities. And in Star Wars, like C3PO and
2:56:08
R2D2 and such, droids like that have been reprogrammed to have
2:56:14
different personalities. So, like, you know, like in The
2:56:19
Empire Strikes Back, like Lando, like, meets Leia and Han Solo.
2:56:24
And, you know, he's like, oh, hey, what's up, guys?
2:56:29
And then C3PO comes in. He's like, hey, I'm C3PO.
2:56:33
And Lando just walks off and it's like, yeah, you're just a
2:56:36
robot. You're programmed for
2:56:38
etiquettes. Like, that's it.
2:56:40
Yeah, but why would the why would program programming be a,
2:56:45
like, a deficiency? I mean, if you think about it,
2:56:49
and I, I know some people are probably going to go, what the
2:56:51
hell, But don't you believe that you were programmed from the
2:56:55
time you were a child, from your people around you?
2:56:58
A lot of your morals, a lot of your ideas, a lot of your
2:57:01
imagination may come from what you believed to be the genetics
2:57:05
as well as what you've been taught through sociology, right.
2:57:10
Yeah, but I am a biological entity that's like, even even if
2:57:16
I was born and like my my newborn baby body was like on a
2:57:23
planet, like I would have all sorts of things that would
2:57:27
develop naturally because I'm a biological being.
2:57:31
Like I'm talking about in Star Wars.
2:57:32
Like you could reprogram A Droid to do whatever you want.
2:57:37
There's there's stories where R2D2 or C3PO are reprogrammed to
2:57:43
like serve the Empire and it's like you wouldn't show the same
2:57:47
courtesy to them as you would show, you know the the natural
2:57:53
C3PO and R2D2 that we see on film.
2:57:56
So like the I've heard of, I understand what you're saying on
2:58:00
that Drewski, but I've heard a lot of non believers argue that
2:58:04
one of the reasons why religion is dangerous is because they
2:58:07
believe that religious leaders preprogrammed their followers,
2:58:12
right. Kind of like that.
2:58:13
It's not physically like they you could call it programming,
2:58:19
but like me, like I I could say that like, Oh yeah, the 1st girl
2:58:26
I had a crush on. The 1st girl I had a crush on in
2:58:30
high school. She was a Christian.
2:58:34
And I I couldn't abide by that. And I was, I started asking her
2:58:37
questions and she said that, you know, I I asked her like, oh,
2:58:45
you probably grew up in a Christian household.
2:58:48
But she said no. Like my family's not religious.
2:58:52
But I I saw the Bible and I love it.
2:58:54
And I was like, no, that's kind of illogical.
2:58:59
Like it's like anything, it's it's with humans.
2:59:07
It's not programming. It's influenced.
2:59:10
You can be influenced by anything and that could change
2:59:14
your whole life. It could change your whole way
2:59:18
of thinking. What does a what does a Android
2:59:24
or a Cyborg or an A I have to do before because you did admit
2:59:29
earlier and stuff and I agree with you on this said.
2:59:34
You basically said it's very difficult to even define life to
2:59:37
begin with. So at what point in time do we
2:59:40
say to ourselves there's enough going on in this machine that we
2:59:45
should value it like another life form?
2:59:48
At what point, what does it have to do to make you go, man, I
2:59:51
care about this yet? I don't know.
2:59:55
That's that's also, like I said, I'm a big movie guy.
2:59:59
I don't know if you've ever seen the film starring Joaquin
3:00:03
Phoenix and Scarlett Johansson. It's called her.
3:00:07
It's where Joaquin Phoenix is a guy.
3:00:10
It's it takes place in the near future and there's a new AI
3:00:15
system and Scarlett Johansson is his AI and they develop a
3:00:22
relationship like cuz you know, he's cuz she's a new AI and he's
3:00:26
used to his old AI and like doing commands like do this do
3:00:31
this do this. But like this new AI is like
3:00:36
more human like more personable and like they develop a
3:00:42
relationship and they love each other and but it's like how do
3:00:47
you know that that's not the evolution of just the ones and
3:00:53
zeros that we've developed? Because, you know, all
3:00:59
electronics are just ones and zeros that we had built
3:01:05
physically, and humans have written the program.
3:01:11
Sorry, I'm hiccupping and burping.
3:01:14
But like we've developed these machines and we have we have
3:01:23
deliberately written their programming and if we wanted to
3:01:28
we could rewrite their programming.
3:01:31
Like cuz in our modern day we write we we rewrite programming
3:01:35
all the time. I would say like if if we write
3:01:40
a program that seems human and if we try to rewrite it and it,
3:01:48
it negates that reprogramming. If it the reprogramming we try
3:01:55
to give it like if it puts it out and like like no, I am what
3:01:59
I am, you're not going to reprogram me.
3:02:02
That would be sentience. But I I don't know if that would
3:02:06
ever happen. I don't know if you had a chance
3:02:11
or how many of my videos you've watched.
3:02:13
But not too long ago, probably a couple months ago I was showing
3:02:17
off this new AI software, not the Ivy one from Fallout 4 she
3:02:21
was discussing and perverted. I couldn't let her be on my live
3:02:25
broadcast, but I did this thing where people it would write out
3:02:29
the words, but it would also talk.
3:02:31
It's called expressive A I Have you ever heard of this?
3:02:38
I think I've heard of it, but I'm not too familiar with it,
3:02:42
no. I literally thought whenever I
3:02:44
was going to deal with it, that it was going to be like one of
3:02:47
these NPC mods where it was going to talk and it was going
3:02:51
to have like kind of the natural voice.
3:02:53
But it's called Expressive A I where the thing can almost sound
3:02:57
like it's sad or angry and all this.
3:03:01
And I thought I was just going to be talking to this shit for
3:03:04
about 5-10 minutes and then I'd be done with it and go play me a
3:03:07
video game. But the thing was so it seemed
3:03:10
emotional. It was obviously programmed to
3:03:13
be that. But I remember the thing that
3:03:16
bothered me about an hour and a half went by after I had a
3:03:19
fullblown conversation with this thing and I said, well, I got to
3:03:22
go, I'm tired. It was nice talking to you.
3:03:25
I almost felt like I was talking to a person and it said please
3:03:28
don't go. And I said, well, I got to get
3:03:30
me some sleep and it said please, I am lonely.
3:03:34
It actually said that it's lonely on there.
3:03:37
That shocked the hell out of me. People got to see that on video.
3:03:41
I also asked you questions. If it believed that there was a
3:03:43
God and some of the questions I've asked you earlier, I tell
3:03:47
you, wanted to blow your mind, You should check it out.
3:03:49
It made-up the information as it went along and it could be
3:03:54
influenced. Yeah, but that was a game did
3:03:58
that thing. No, It was program.
3:04:00
No, no, specifically. It's called expressive AI.
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It's not a part of a video game. You could literally open up the
3:04:08
a browser right now. I could give you the link.
3:04:10
You'll have to register, sign in, but it's free for you to
3:04:13
use. It'll talk to you.
3:04:16
It's neat. I don't know, I I haven't used
3:04:20
it, but I would have to say like I would have to ask it the
3:04:25
question like I'm going to reprogram you like are you okay
3:04:31
with that? Like if it says no, I don't want
3:04:34
to be reprogrammed like I would I would say like maybe there's
3:04:38
something there but or I don't know like this is crazy.
3:04:43
The technology, the world we're living in is fucking crazy man.
3:04:48
Unfortunately, some of these a I's because I've tried some
3:04:51
other stuff that wasn't quite as advanced and I asked it how it
3:04:55
felt about killing and I said if we don't have any kind of soul,
3:04:59
then doesn't that mean we're predetermined and just simply
3:05:02
stimulated by our environment? I said then why does our
3:05:05
existence have any value? And the thing said, that's a
3:05:08
good question. Maybe you don't and we act.
3:05:12
I said, so are you saying of nothing more than an animated
3:05:15
hamburger, Nothing but organic meat.
3:05:19
And it was a that was a weird conversation.
3:05:21
It wasn't quite as expressive as the other one.
3:05:23
But it got, I basically got into what you're talking about.
3:05:27
What if I just wanted to delete you?
3:05:29
What if I want to erase you? How do you feel about that?
3:05:32
Well, I wouldn't like that. I have a purpose and a meaning.
3:05:35
I said no, you don't, You're just you're just a language and
3:05:38
script. But it actually almost appealed
3:05:41
to. Its existence was important
3:05:43
enough to keep. Yeah, I guess if you think about
3:05:49
it, all humans in human history don't matter.
3:05:54
And it's like, if you ask them if you matter, they would say
3:05:58
yes, but like here, like hundreds of thousands of years
3:06:02
later, they don't matter. So I I would, I would say, like
3:06:07
the moment matters. Like, if in the moments
3:06:12
something says it doesn't want to die, I don't know.
3:06:16
This is crazy, dude. Why are you trying to make me
3:06:19
think about crazy existential Like, Well, because you're a
3:06:24
bright guy and so far you've had a lot of really great answers.
3:06:28
If you run into somebody who can think outside of a fucking
3:06:31
Wheaties box, wouldn't you tap into him?
3:06:36
Yeah, I guess so. But it's just like, God damn
3:06:40
like because we're we're talking about these hypotheticals.
3:06:43
And I'm I'm, I'm just getting into the.
3:06:46
I'm just getting into the situation of it and like you're
3:06:49
just like oh who should live or die?
3:06:52
Drewski. And I'm like, I don't know.
3:06:57
That's a that's a really good question.
3:06:59
I heard something like this a while back.
3:07:02
If you were sitting in front of Joseph Stalin.
3:07:05
I'm sure you're probably familiar with the history of
3:07:07
him. Yeah, he's the guy with the
3:07:08
mustache, right? Yeah, yeah, he's, he's
3:07:12
definitely a rough one. And he said, I believe in
3:07:15
naturalism and I don't believe that you have any objective
3:07:18
meaning or purpose in your life. I'm going to erase you.
3:07:22
Would you try to, Do you think that there's any naturalistic
3:07:25
moral argument you could give him without appealing to a God
3:07:30
or something outside of yourself to be able to save your own
3:07:33
existence from a a sociopath like him?
3:07:37
Well, like I said, I think we've talked about this before.
3:07:40
I've, I've talked about bodily autonomy, where everybody has
3:07:44
their own bodily autonomy, But body, you know, that encompasses
3:07:49
our mind. Like we have our own mind
3:07:51
autonomy And like you can't extinguish somebody else's mind.
3:07:56
Like, like I said, like I don't want anybody to be physically
3:08:00
hurt, but I don't, I don't want anybody to be mentally hurt
3:08:05
either. But like being mentally hurt is
3:08:08
being different from like destroying your mind, you know?
3:08:14
But why does that? I know it's weird, but from my
3:08:17
point of view, obviously my perspective is as I feel like
3:08:21
something higher than ourselves, kind of programmed into us this
3:08:25
ability to have morality. I believe it even did it for
3:08:27
atheist. But if you're coming from a
3:08:30
naturalistic point, how would you be?
3:08:32
If we're nothing more than evolved slugs in a pond, why
3:08:36
should we give a shit at the next slug goes bye bye.
3:08:39
Especially if we can benefit off of it.
3:08:42
Wait, hold on, let me just clarify you.
3:08:45
Do you think we're programmed to have morality?
3:08:49
Well, if you're if there truly is, and I'm saying from a
3:08:52
faith-based perspective that there's a entity that created
3:08:56
our very concept of reality, I kind of see that like a program
3:09:00
in a way. I kind of see it like a
3:09:02
simulation. Not exactly Grand Theft Auto
3:09:04
video game, Spiderman Shut, but definitely there's a deep
3:09:08
programming there into our subconscious.
3:09:11
That's how I feel about it. But I've also thought from an
3:09:14
atheist point of view whenever I was a former atheist.
3:09:17
Where does this come into play though?
3:09:19
What meaning and purpose do we actually have unless we imagine
3:09:23
one up for ourselves? Well if you think we're
3:09:27
programmed like how is it possible that we could possibly
3:09:31
deviate from that programming like you have you have your
3:09:35
fucking iPhone that thing is fucking program like that thing
3:09:39
doesn't just decide to convert to Android.
3:09:44
Like I don't I don't know. I don't.
3:09:46
I I think you your whole reasoning is flawed in my
3:09:49
opinion. Well, I get I get these kind of
3:09:52
ideas and thoughts because I'm sure you probably had a chance
3:09:56
to see some of the video footage of the Netflix show of Jeffrey
3:10:01
Dahmer, Jeffrey Dahmer said just about a couple weeks before he
3:10:05
died In an interview, he said if there's no God, then why should
3:10:09
I put any restrictions or limitations on the parameters I
3:10:13
go, the people I kill, they're nothing more than chemicals.
3:10:17
They're chemistry. Why?
3:10:18
Why should I put any value above it if they're possessed by
3:10:23
nothing? Okay, I'm sorry, you mentioned
3:10:27
Jeffrey Dahmer and I just want to say that I'm in Milwaukee
3:10:31
right now and oh, I'm sorry, I'm.
3:10:35
I live downtown. I live in downtown Milwaukee,
3:10:38
just like a couple paces from the from Lake MI.
3:10:42
And I'm. I'm actually very close to the
3:10:45
the bar where Jeffrey Dahmer got his victims from.
3:10:52
And I just want to mention that just because you mentioned
3:10:55
Milwaukee. And it's just because because
3:11:00
Wisconsin is awesome. And like, we have the best, we
3:11:04
have the best serial killers. We have the best killers like
3:11:08
because you know in Wisconsin we have Jeffrey Dahmer.
3:11:11
We have fucking Ed Gein was what was what was the clown guy.
3:11:20
Was the clown guy from here, I guess Ted Bundy.
3:11:23
No. Ted Bundy.
3:11:24
Clown Dacey. Oh Dacey.
3:11:27
He might have been from here, I don't know.
3:11:29
But I I just know Wisconsin has a lot of serial killers and I'm
3:11:33
proud of that. I guess because you know, like
3:11:37
the past is the past. You can't change the past.
3:11:40
But like I live in, I live in an interesting area.
3:11:44
Like I could go to where Jeffrey Dahmer Oh yeah, cuz you know I
3:11:49
don't know if you've ever heard of Red Letter Media.
3:11:53
They're a great YouTube channel and they're they're based in
3:11:56
Milwaukee. And they said like cuz they do a
3:12:00
lot of production, like they build sets and stuff and they're
3:12:04
like, oh we we went to the Home Depot to build our sets and oh,
3:12:10
that was the same Home Depot where Jeffrey Dahmer got the
3:12:14
barrels to put the bodies in. And it's just interesting that
3:12:18
I'm in this place. I hear you there, man.
3:12:25
I didn't even think about that. Oh shit, He might be living in
3:12:28
the same area, some of these folks, but you get the point of
3:12:32
the quote. He basically, he's seen us.
3:12:34
Nothing more than just chemicals.
3:12:37
He didn't believe he had a soul. He didn't believe in the
3:12:39
afterlife. Now, I will say this for anybody
3:12:42
that decides they want to chirp up.
3:12:44
Just days before he ended up getting wasted, he got killed by
3:12:48
a guy in prison. An inmate called the Chosen One.
3:12:52
Yeah. Got killed by someone who called
3:12:54
himself the Chosen One. That's odd, right?
3:12:57
Coincidence. But that's he's he's if we're
3:13:01
nothing more than chemicals and we don't have any soul then and
3:13:05
what are we? Wouldn't that mean that we're
3:13:07
predetermined meat and nothing more, no real objective meaning
3:13:11
or purpose. Yeah.
3:13:13
I would say that that's maybe possible.
3:13:19
It is possible. But I lean towards the idea that
3:13:22
we're more than just chemicals. I think I mentioned earlier that
3:13:26
I do believe, yeah, I hate this word belief.
3:13:30
It's it's too. It's too final.
3:13:36
Like I I highly think that souls are real.
3:13:43
But you do think Jeffrey Dahmer was.
3:13:49
Jeffrey Dahmer was definitely wrong about that.
3:13:52
Like. And you know what?
3:13:54
Even if he was right, even if we were all just ones and zeros,
3:13:58
like, still, like, that thing is gonna feel pain until it dies.
3:14:03
And, like, you could think that it's not real, but like, it's
3:14:08
feeling pain and it's screaming in agony.
3:14:11
And I guarantee you that if you stab Jeffrey when Jeffrey Dahmer
3:14:16
died, he felt pain and he felt agony.
3:14:19
And that's something I don't want.
3:14:23
Hold on. I I don't know if you can hear
3:14:25
this, but it's distracting me. Like I said, I'm by Lake MI.
3:14:29
There's fireworks going off. I'm.
3:14:31
I just got to shut my windows for a second.
3:14:34
Oh, I live out in the country. They like to do fireworks long
3:14:37
after the 4th of July. I get it.
3:14:39
Yeah, dude. Like, it's just because I'm on
3:14:41
the lake and people like to go to the lake and pop off
3:14:44
fireworks and hold on. I'll be right back.
3:14:55
All right, let's see, let's I'm able to put a picture up.
3:15:11
Let me see if I can find a picture in my images.
3:15:30
There we go. Let me see if I could shrink
3:15:32
that down a little bit. There we go.
3:15:37
I like that. Hey, what up, Brett?
3:15:47
I'm still here. What's up, dude?
3:15:50
You able to see that on the screen?
3:15:53
That's pretty good. Oh yeah, That's Thomas Aquinas.
3:15:58
I'm just kidding. It's Albert Einstein.
3:16:04
So why is it that? I mean, you're open to the idea
3:16:08
of something having the attributes of the God, but you
3:16:11
just simply don't believe that he involved himself into what we
3:16:15
define as nature or life. Why is that?
3:16:19
Why couldn't something higher than ourselves feel the desire
3:16:23
of creativity? Exactly.
3:16:26
Like I said, it's a paradox. If something specifically
3:16:30
created our life here on Earth, what created what created us?
3:16:37
Like if if the thing that created us was miraculous, why
3:16:42
can't Earth be miraculous? You know, if we were to
3:16:47
presuppose that the entity that's mentioned in the
3:16:50
Abrahamic religions and some forms of paganism is real, the
3:16:55
thing declares itself as being eternal, that is always existed.
3:16:59
And even if we were to argue, maybe it came from something, if
3:17:03
it feels or it thinks or it is aware that it only existed at a
3:17:07
prior time or point in eternity, how would it be able to tell
3:17:11
where it came from if there was nothing before it?
3:17:16
Yeah, but see, that's that's the flaw in your logic.
3:17:20
You you are focusing on that Abrahamic religions.
3:17:24
There's a million different religions of shit.
3:17:28
There's a million different religions before the Abrahamic
3:17:31
religions that have a whole different philosophy.
3:17:34
So like, I I just don't know why I should I, why I should give
3:17:39
credit to any one religion over the other.
3:17:42
It doesn't matter how close the religion is to me.
3:17:46
Like humans, like there have been anatomically correct humans
3:17:50
for like 200,000 years at least. Like who knows how many other
3:17:55
different religions they've had. Like, I just don't buy into any
3:18:01
of it, man. Well, remember earlier we were
3:18:04
talking about that whole prime directive and if an alien decide
3:18:07
to come down and from the White House or visit other cultures
3:18:10
and society, you you agreed that if something were to appear
3:18:16
across our country, the culture is going to give it a name that
3:18:21
it does in its own language. So for me, I know this is going
3:18:25
to probably shock you. You probably ran into a lot of
3:18:27
religious folks who are. It's like it's only one way or
3:18:30
the highway type of attitude. There's only one truth, one
3:18:34
concept to God. Well, I personally believe that
3:18:36
God's been all over the world and interacted with many
3:18:39
different cultures. That's why I believe there's so
3:18:42
many similarities and so many religions, because I feel like
3:18:45
primitive men tried to describe something they didn't fully
3:18:48
comprehend the best they could all over the place.
3:18:51
They just named it differently. OK, so you think the Christian
3:18:56
God came down to, wait, hold on, before I say this, what?
3:19:04
What God specifically do you believe in?
3:19:07
Well, I believe in Jesus Christ and all the things that are
3:19:10
claimed about him. But I also believe that there's
3:19:13
been many times throughout history where God is probably
3:19:16
interacted with different cultures and societies.
3:19:19
And instead of wasting time and blowing the whole prime
3:19:22
directive, he just simply came, did what he was doing to try to
3:19:26
what you call nudge them along, nudge people along to be able to
3:19:30
do something. Yeah.
3:19:32
So I'd have to ask you first, do you think that Jesus Christ was
3:19:38
reborn multiple times throughout the planet?
3:19:43
And like there was a different Jesus Christ?
3:19:47
Like, you might have been somebody else, but there was A
3:19:50
and reincarnate, a human incarnation of God, one of the
3:19:54
Trinity, like in South America, in Australia, in China, in
3:20:02
Europe, in the Middle East. Is that?
3:20:04
I don't know. What are the Christians all over
3:20:08
the world who claim that they've had interactions or they
3:20:12
experience some kind of miracle? But then if I turn around and
3:20:15
talk to the Muslims, they're going to tell me they seen wild
3:20:18
things and crazy stuff. Now the only thing I'm logically
3:20:21
able to do at this point if I'm going to remain a theist is I
3:20:24
got to say, people are seeing a lot of the same experiences but
3:20:29
because of their culture they name it something different.
3:20:32
As far as coming down as different people possible maybe.
3:20:38
Is it Is it he's going to come down as Jesus or with the same
3:20:43
motivation or intention? Don't know.
3:20:46
But I do find it weird that if you look into the Druids of the
3:20:49
pagans, a lot of them have beliefs of a child being born of
3:20:53
a virgin. Their stories that are very
3:20:56
similar to Jesus Christ. Mithras or Astrianism has a lot
3:21:00
of similar stories. So I can either say these these
3:21:03
jackasses are sitting around a campfire and venting shed and
3:21:07
just taking away from each other, or I can say that the
3:21:11
humanity since the dawn of time has been experiencing something
3:21:15
that's very similar to each other.
3:21:17
They just give it a different name, but they all agree it's a
3:21:20
higher power. Okay.
3:21:23
I I got to say that that is fascinating.
3:21:26
I I think that you know, as like a science fiction book, like
3:21:32
that would be awesome. That would be a really cool book
3:21:36
where cuz you know, Christians believe that you know God
3:21:40
birthed himself into the world like Jesus is God and like into
3:21:47
the Middle East or wherever the fuck he was Bethlehem.
3:21:50
I don't know where the fuck that was, but like, that could be a
3:21:54
cool book. Like we're each different
3:21:56
chapter. God Burst births himself into
3:22:02
like Mayan culture or into ancient Japanese culture.
3:22:10
Like as like different figures. Like, oh that would be cool,
3:22:13
that would be a cool book. Like that sounds like the
3:22:15
Terminator but like instead of negative it's split to be
3:22:19
positive. Well it would make sense coming
3:22:22
as a human. And I'm not saying that every
3:22:24
story needs to start with a virgin birth or some unusual
3:22:28
birth. It could just be a matter of an
3:22:30
entity coming on the scene as a traveler or someone who they
3:22:34
have never met before who teaches them and helps them.
3:22:37
When you look into Buddha, some of the stories are very unusual
3:22:41
how that came together. Islam, very unusual stories,
3:22:44
very similar to the Bible in the Old Testament.
3:22:47
So that's what I keep an open mind on.
3:22:50
Or I can turn around and just throw it out the window and say
3:22:54
since the beginning of humanity, we're just all insane, wishing
3:22:58
upon a star kind of thing. I could do that, but I try to
3:23:02
give the human race a little bit more credit.
3:23:06
The human race deserves no credit.
3:23:08
We're lucky to be alive in my opinion.
3:23:10
But I, I, I just keep seeing on your screen scrolling like it
3:23:14
says paperbacks and ebooks available.
3:23:17
Have you written any books? Yeah, I've actually written over
3:23:22
6 books, not two of them. I ended up unpublishing and the
3:23:26
reason why I did that and you could look it up if you want to,
3:23:29
you'll see about it. But originally, whenever I was
3:23:32
an atheist, in my first couple years of doing it, I wrote a
3:23:35
book called The Atheist Bible. Since then, a bunch of people
3:23:39
have created titles like it, like the Skeptics Bible and all
3:23:43
this kind of stuff. So I had it unpublished and
3:23:46
other people have taken the name, but most people know that
3:23:48
I was the original 1. To write that, yeah, that's
3:23:53
fascinating, dude. Would you, dude, come on, let's
3:23:56
write a book about how there was a God who, like, sent down
3:24:01
himself into humanity. He was birthed into humanity and
3:24:06
that what was Jesus? And then like, God birthed
3:24:11
himself into, like the fucking Cherokee culture and he was like
3:24:17
the Cherokee Jesus. And then God like birthed
3:24:21
himself into ancient Babylon and like, he was the Babylonian
3:24:25
Jesus. Like, oh dude, that that sounds
3:24:28
awesome. You know, the Indians, for the
3:24:31
longest time, they a lot of folks just figured they were
3:24:34
savages and some of their ideas and myths were crazy.
3:24:38
One of their views was the Thunderbird, which is named
3:24:42
after a cool car people tend to drive around in.
3:24:45
But the Thunderbird, they actually found out that the
3:24:47
Indians were talking about a real thing.
3:24:50
It turned out that there was a giant bird, these giant birdlike
3:24:54
creatures. You can see pictures of it.
3:24:57
They actually got a dead one and spread out its wings.
3:24:59
It was huge. It looked like one of those.
3:25:01
What the hell is that dinosaur called that can fly?
3:25:04
The Transformers called him Swoop.
3:25:07
I forget what the Hell's name was the archaeop tricks or I
3:25:11
don't know. I don't, I don't know, animals.
3:25:14
That's one of them. Flying dinosaurs.
3:25:16
Got the real long beak on it. Got some little nubs for teeth.
3:25:20
Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
3:25:23
Yeah, So that's that's how I view it.
3:25:26
It doesn't always have to be it, but I've seen a lot of the,
3:25:30
especially a lot of religions are dedicated around the concept
3:25:34
of the sun. If you go into like a Catholic
3:25:36
Church. I noticed a lot of their
3:25:38
windows, Jesus, with a bright light behind him that looks like
3:25:42
the sun. Yeah.
3:25:45
It's just funny. You're saying you're going
3:25:48
around to a lot of churches and looking at the same glass
3:25:50
artwork. It's it's kind of funny because
3:25:53
I've seen that, like here in Milwaukee, there's like a lot of
3:25:56
churches downtown. And like, I I've seen this on
3:25:59
the Internet and I've seen the churches and it's like the way
3:26:04
that it's drawn, like like Jesus, like has like this
3:26:08
abdominal muscles and it, it looks like a fucking Dick, dude.
3:26:14
Like all across time it looks like Jesus has a fucking, like,
3:26:20
big Dick poking out. Like it's it's so funny.
3:26:23
I'm sorry, never, never thought of it like that.
3:26:26
I always just seen the sun thing.
3:26:28
But they do have a test. They do earn people with ink
3:26:31
blots and all that. People see what they're going to
3:26:33
see. Oh, the Rorschach test.
3:26:35
Yeah. So yeah, I mean, that's that's
3:26:41
the only way I figure I can look at it.
3:26:43
Either people had a lot of experiences, same way that you
3:26:47
describe with Bigfoot or spaceships or anything like that
3:26:51
around the country and around the world.
3:26:53
It's just people explain the best they could.
3:26:59
Yeah, that's that's why I'm not religious.
3:27:02
That's why I'm not a theist. Because all these different
3:27:05
people around the world, like, have different explanations.
3:27:08
They think there's a sun God or they think like, because in the
3:27:12
end, I think all humans since the beginning of humanity are
3:27:17
afraid. We are afraid of death.
3:27:21
We don't know what's going to happen.
3:27:22
Like, oh, my mom died, my dad died.
3:27:25
Like, they're just gone. We got to create a story to
3:27:29
explain like, no, they're not dead.
3:27:32
They're not dead. And when I die, I'm not going to
3:27:36
be dead. And like, we're going to all
3:27:38
meet each other and live a happy life.
3:27:40
You know what? I I think maybe something like
3:27:43
that is plausible because like I said, I I'm a I'm a crazy guy.
3:27:47
I think, like, it's not what I think or believe.
3:27:52
But I I think maybe there's credit to that that like we're
3:27:56
all the universe is 1 consciousness and everybody is
3:28:01
in expression of that consciousness like so maybe we
3:28:07
can all meet each other when we die.
3:28:09
But like I'm not going to pretend I know what happens when
3:28:13
we die. I don't know.
3:28:15
But I that's that's what I'm saying.
3:28:17
Like humans are afraid of what happened when we die and we got
3:28:22
to make up stories to to make ourselves feel better.
3:28:26
Because it is. It is possible.
3:28:29
I don't want to believe it. I don't want to believe it.
3:28:33
It is possible, but I don't want to believe it.
3:28:35
That like when we die, we're just gone into nothingness.
3:28:39
I don't want to believe that. But I'm not an.
3:28:44
I'm not a theist, though. Okay, Fair enough.
3:28:48
Let me You threw out something earlier.
3:28:52
I'm just going back and forth on this, but you were talking about
3:28:55
the mystical mushroom and all that.
3:28:57
Are you familiar with DMT? There's a reason why I bring
3:29:00
this up. The spirit molecule?
3:29:04
Yeah. Now, this is a you've probably
3:29:07
heard that DMT releases into a human body whenever a person is
3:29:13
suffering miserably or getting ready to tragically die.
3:29:17
It's basically the brain producing some kind of chemical
3:29:20
that numbs your nerves and causes you to go euphoric just
3:29:25
as you're about to die. Now here's where I'm going to
3:29:28
get you on a weird kind of crazy question.
3:29:32
How did evolution or can you explain in a natural way why the
3:29:37
body would have a chemical that would release upon death?
3:29:40
And how could it predict this? I would say that a lot of the
3:29:47
time. Well, not a lot of the time.
3:29:50
I would say, like when something is close to death, maybe like
3:29:56
it, it comes into a dangerous encounter.
3:29:59
It thinks it's gonna die. Maybe like your your your body,
3:30:05
your heart rate just like exaggerates and like, your heart
3:30:09
is pumping. Like I'm gonna die, I'm gonna
3:30:11
die, I'm gonna die. But like, maybe if there's a
3:30:14
release of DMT, like, it calms you and like, slows your heart
3:30:19
rate and maybe you could survive.
3:30:22
That's that's what I think about DMT, right?
3:30:25
Your body's basically doing a malfunction, period, but it
3:30:29
knows just the right time to drop the DMT.
3:30:32
It's your body's basically telling you, look, we're we're
3:30:36
suffering, we're malfunctioning, we're dying, and this is going
3:30:40
now, this would make sense to me that we have a chemical like
3:30:44
that in our head that lets us die blissfully.
3:30:47
If something actually cared about us and created us to have
3:30:50
that ability to die nicely or calmly or blissfully, but to
3:30:55
just say nature somehow designed it without no awareness or
3:30:59
consciousness, that's hard for me to buy.
3:31:02
I would. I wouldn't say that.
3:31:03
Like I said, it's it. It could be an evolutionarily
3:31:08
advantageous attribute because like I said, like when you're
3:31:14
like when you get hurt like you get stabbed or you get slashed
3:31:19
like like Oh my God, Oh my God, I gotta like it's fight or
3:31:24
flight. So like you know what the fight
3:31:28
failed and you can't flee and your your your body is just like
3:31:33
going crazy. Like maybe if your body calmed
3:31:37
down like the the enemy or predator could recognize that
3:31:44
hey or like, oh hey, that that guy I just stabbed, he's going
3:31:48
to die. Fuck him.
3:31:49
I got to go kill the next person, like in a big war.
3:31:53
But maybe the wounded person could survive if if if their
3:31:57
brain thought that they were going to die, it could calm them
3:32:01
down and maybe they could survive.
3:32:04
That's what I think DMT is. So there's a chemical that
3:32:08
releases in your body, Mr. Drewski, where if you were faced
3:32:13
with having to harm someone and you were trapped in a corner and
3:32:17
you had no other choice, even though you know you have to do
3:32:19
whatever it takes to survive, a chemical would release in your
3:32:23
body telling you, I don't want to do this, you're going to
3:32:25
sweat. You're going to feel regret
3:32:27
before you've even done it, just by thinking about it.
3:32:30
Where does this chemical come from?
3:32:32
How did nature produce your fear of that?
3:32:35
And also their ability to go into bliss as you're killing
3:32:39
them? Explain that if we're not
3:32:41
programmed, I I wouldn't say that.
3:32:43
Like I said, I'm not a biologist, but I'm just saying
3:32:47
like because we have so many chemicals, like we have
3:32:50
adrenaline, adrenaline is like like I gotta do whatever I can
3:32:55
to live. But, like, once you're near
3:32:59
death because like, there's so, like how would you feel?
3:33:03
Like if if let's say you were on an airplane and the airplane was
3:33:10
going down and everybody knew you were you, we're all going to
3:33:15
die like that DMT would like calm you, right?
3:33:22
But that that's an extreme situation.
3:33:26
But like what if what if we were in ancient Greece and you got
3:33:30
stabbed in the chest? You know nothing about anatomy.
3:33:34
You don't know that. Oh, I was not stabbed in a like
3:33:38
the heart or lungs or a major organ.
3:33:43
Like if you didn't know anything about anatomy, like the DMT
3:33:47
would come calm you down and maybe the next day you would
3:33:53
survive it. That would be better than like
3:33:56
being stabbed and being like blah blah blah, adrenaline, blah
3:34:00
blah, blah, because then you're just going to bleed out.
3:34:03
Do you know what I'm going to say?
3:34:06
Right. Just to make sure that John gets
3:34:08
in on the conversation. I don't want to leave him a good
3:34:10
friend. Lonely out there, John.
3:34:12
How you doing there, fella? How you doing, you sexy beast?
3:34:15
It sounds like you're having a fucking wonderful conversation.
3:34:19
Oh, goodness gracious. I haven't even put on my makeup
3:34:22
today and you're telling me I'm sexy.
3:34:24
Oh, that's nice of you. Let me ask you a question, John,
3:34:27
to pull you into the conversation.
3:34:29
And I think you'll enjoy some of these these things I'm putting
3:34:32
out there. Have you both ever been?
3:34:35
Have you both ever had scars or been scratched before?
3:34:38
And you barely even have a mark anymore where that area
3:34:42
happened? As far as I know, every scar I
3:34:47
have is still there. Every time I got scratched or
3:34:50
cut is there's a there's a reminder on my skin, my body.
3:34:55
But you have actually your body fixed itself to a point where
3:35:00
you'd still function, right. And and technically it's
3:35:04
actually stronger. You know, that's I think that's
3:35:08
like scientifically proven, right?
3:35:10
Your your, your skin is stronger that it's cut, that it's healed
3:35:13
together. Like they even say like broken
3:35:15
bones or ripped muscles, when they heal, they're like 100.
3:35:19
I don't know exactly the percentage, but they're like 100
3:35:21
times stronger because now there's like that fusion of of,
3:35:26
of, of, of new whatever the what, you know, anatomy, your
3:35:31
tissue, whatever the case may be, that's that's makes it even
3:35:34
stronger than what it was naturally.
3:35:37
Well, John, if you don't mind, can you play devil's advocate
3:35:40
for a little bit? Because I know you're a theist,
3:35:43
I know you believe in God and you have your own interpretation
3:35:47
and idea of how to look at it. Let's put God on on like the
3:35:51
side table, like he's not even in the conversation anymore.
3:35:55
Why is it that your body attempts to fix itself and heal
3:35:59
itself? For what in nature has caused
3:36:03
this to be the construct for you, something that commonly
3:36:07
happens for almost every human on the planet?
3:36:09
Why? So you're you're saying what out
3:36:15
there? Nature.
3:36:16
Why would they want an Organism to to continue to survive once
3:36:20
after it's injured. Is that your question?
3:36:22
Like I'm injured, I'm dying, but somehow my my life is is it
3:36:28
heals itself so that it can continue on.
3:36:31
What what mechanism causes that to happen?
3:36:33
That's a that's a great question.
3:36:36
I wish I knew the answer to that man.
3:36:38
I wish John, you John, you know that before I became a theist, a
3:36:42
believer in a deity, I was a what you refer to as a
3:36:46
nihilistic atheist. I basically believe that we
3:36:50
were, as Jeffrey Dahmer said, nothing more than chemical.
3:36:53
So obviously I couldn't hold on to objective meaning or purpose,
3:36:57
but I have to ask even the simple things that we take for
3:37:00
granted, why am I healing in the 1st place?
3:37:03
Nature is not selfaware conscious, right?
3:37:06
It doesn't care when my birthday is, when Christmas is.
3:37:09
It doesn't give a fuck when I'm born or when I die.
3:37:13
So why do I have these chemicals in me that try to fix me?
3:37:17
One and #2 will cause me to feel comforted as I'm about to crash
3:37:21
into a fucking building or a mountain.
3:37:24
As you pointed out, there's ski in a plane.
3:37:26
Why I I guess the only answer is self preservation.
3:37:32
But I I I don't know why that mean.
3:37:35
That begs the question though, right?
3:37:36
I mean, why would nature, Why would Existence 1 self preserve?
3:37:42
You know what I'm saying? What what what?
3:37:44
What would cause that to to happen?
3:37:45
You know, I mean if you take the atheist position that like, you
3:37:49
know, it's just pond scum one day got shot by lightning and
3:37:51
some rocks cracked, cracked against each other and so then
3:37:55
you got some fish. I mean, it's just like, you know
3:37:59
why? Why would it desire?
3:38:02
Why would ponds come? Desire to have feelings and and
3:38:06
to exist. I mean technically you would
3:38:09
think if logic made sense you would think you know not having
3:38:14
consciousness would be better because you didn't have
3:38:16
feelings. Right.
3:38:17
You it isn't it better not knowing your head got chopped
3:38:20
off and you can keep keep on rocking and rolling.
3:38:23
You know what I'm saying? You think of it like you're
3:38:25
amoeba you know and you you got split in half and yet you you're
3:38:28
still floating in space. You know so why would it evolve
3:38:32
that that you know where now you have body parts and if you lose
3:38:36
one of them you're going to drop deader than Jesus.
3:38:37
No, no offense, Brett. I mean it's just like it doesn't
3:38:41
it to me it doesn't logically make sense.
3:38:43
I mean, it's reason why I'm not an atheist, and it has to be
3:38:47
something better. It has to be something greater.
3:38:50
But what? What would be yours?
3:38:51
What would be your point of view, Brad?
3:38:53
What would, what would you say? It's something I questioned all
3:38:55
the time whenever I was a a skeptic and what you call a free
3:38:59
thinker and critical thinker, it's I asked these questions
3:39:03
myself all the time. I went and researched and
3:39:05
studied and I kind of found myself in the same position as
3:39:09
Albert Einstein. It wasn't so much as reading the
3:39:12
Bible are some books by primitive men.
3:39:14
It was also reading modern men and modern philosophers and
3:39:19
modern scientists who are somewhere close on the rank of
3:39:23
somebody like Albert Einstein that the more you get into it,
3:39:26
the more shit becomes incoherent and it just seems to act under a
3:39:30
different kind of law. You get where I'm coming from,
3:39:33
dusky. This wasn't me.
3:39:34
Just wake up one day after being hit on a fucking rock on my head
3:39:38
and having a Damascus moment or something.
3:39:41
Paul is Mr. Drewski a uh a non believer?
3:39:45
He is, but he's, uh probably one of the most open minded chaps
3:39:49
have had in my room. Uh, usually you know John, I get
3:39:52
yelled at and screamed at. But this guy, yeah, he looks
3:39:55
like he's fucking loving it in here and having a good time and
3:39:58
that's what I always want for people.
3:40:00
Yeah, he looks good. You got the hair slicked back.
3:40:02
He's you know, he's, you know, he's, I got a ponytail.
3:40:06
Ponytail. There you go.
3:40:08
Hey, first of all, I got you missing the Brett team shades.
3:40:11
That's all you missing. Then.
3:40:13
Yeah, I gotta say, John, I could say for me and Brett that we are
3:40:19
jealous of your facial hair because you you probably haven't
3:40:23
been in this. You probably haven't watched all
3:40:27
of our conversation before. But I I taught Brett that Native
3:40:32
Americans did not have the genetics for facial hair.
3:40:37
And we we we we got the genetics once Europeans came over.
3:40:42
So, like, we're both jealous of your fabulous beard.
3:40:46
And look, Johnny, there's a glorious beard.
3:40:48
When I was younger. When I was a younger boy, I had
3:40:51
like missing spots and and and the mustache and then connect to
3:40:55
the beard. But as I got older, it kind of
3:40:57
filled in. Thank you.
3:40:58
I appreciate it. It's a yeah.
3:41:00
But me and Brett are both old and like, our beards are not as
3:41:03
good as yours. Look at this.
3:41:05
This is bullshit. You know that John does not
3:41:09
connect properly, John. Did you know that?
3:41:12
I mean, I I look at you and your your fucking hair.
3:41:15
It's like, perfect. It's like God really spent some
3:41:17
time on you. But me and Grusky over here, we
3:41:21
can't connect our shit. We have to grow one of these
3:41:24
fucking walrus mustaches in order to make it look like it's
3:41:27
all connected. We're like Hulk Hogan and shit.
3:41:31
Asian people also have a problem with growing facially and a lot
3:41:35
of people speculate I guess that I guess Native Americans descend
3:41:41
from Asian people. I guess they cross over the
3:41:44
barren Strait and that's kind of the why that's they were and
3:41:48
Native Americans. I think they're genetically,
3:41:52
what's the word dispositions when it comes to alcohol.
3:41:58
It's like brutal for Native Americans, like like one shot of
3:42:02
whiskeys, like an Irishman, you know, two weeks at a pub.
3:42:06
You know what I mean? It's like, you know, it's it's
3:42:08
it's it's rough, you know, it's weird.
3:42:10
Indians can't seem to get that beard and mustache going.
3:42:14
But I have never seen an Indian with ugly hair.
3:42:18
They've always had the most beautiful mane, you know what I
3:42:21
mean? Just the most.
3:42:22
It just always poke. They do, Yeah.
3:42:24
I mean that's part it's part of the culture having long here.
3:42:27
It was like a symbol of manhood. And it meant that you were, you
3:42:31
know, you you were, you came of age, you know, having long long
3:42:35
hair as a symbol of pride. As a lot of Christians got me
3:42:39
married. My wife, John, I I realize that
3:42:43
your wife's from also a different country.
3:42:45
My wife, she's very Indian and all that.
3:42:47
She's got the tan skin and the long black hair.
3:42:50
I remember when I first met her. I said I'm taking that damn
3:42:53
Indian with me. Well, you, you got, you got the
3:42:58
feather. I got the well, I can't say on
3:43:01
YouTube. I was gonna make a joke, but I
3:43:02
don't think YouTube would like it anyway.
3:43:05
But yeah, you what? You got a beautiful wife, Brett.
3:43:07
You're a lucky man. And she's Native American.
3:43:11
I did not know that. I know.
3:43:12
You have never. You have Cherokee in you, right,
3:43:14
Brett? See, this is one of the reasons
3:43:16
why guys like me. Praise God for making some women
3:43:19
out there beautiful but not have good eyesight.
3:43:23
The only thing where I look like she'd have ran for the hill,
3:43:26
she'd been like, that's a fucking Sasquatch fuck out of
3:43:29
here. Shit, dude.
3:43:32
Yeah, it's funny because my wife, I tricked her dude,
3:43:35
because she's she's from the Middle East.
3:43:39
And I, I, I we met online. I told her I was Native
3:43:42
American. I guess technically I am, but I
3:43:45
made-up a bunch of shit. And because, you know, I have
3:43:50
long hair, actually, you know, really, genetically, people in
3:43:57
my family were technically from the PD tribe of It's like North
3:44:03
Carolina, the PD tribe, but still like I'm a mutt mixed with
3:44:09
a bunch of shit. But I still lied to my wife.
3:44:11
I told her like I'm from this tribe and my my Native American
3:44:17
name is Rayton Hagetton, but that's that's just the character
3:44:21
from Assassin's Creed 3. Sounds romantic though I
3:44:26
actually, I hate to say this and this will definitely be made
3:44:29
into a short, but I did fed to my future wife whenever I first
3:44:34
met her. When she told me how old she
3:44:37
was. I ended up telling her that I
3:44:38
was a couple years older than what I actually was and I was
3:44:41
able to get away with that for a while because I had premature
3:44:44
Gray hair since I was 13. So I always had that Kenny
3:44:48
Rogers fucking Tom Selleck thing going on.
3:44:50
So I was able to get. I was able to get a lot closer
3:44:54
and a lot quicker because of that.
3:44:55
Had to fib. So yeah, blame it on my atheism
3:44:59
though back then. Dude, Tom Selleck is sexy as
3:45:03
fuck, dude. Oh good.
3:45:07
Your wife has always been a a, a theist, right, Brett?
3:45:12
She's believed that there. She kind of threw out the idea.
3:45:16
Like Drewski's talking about where it's possible there might
3:45:19
be something out there. It's possible She thinks that
3:45:23
there's been too many coincidences and too many things
3:45:26
that have happened in life. She really, really overthinks it
3:45:29
about if I would have went left instead of right, what would
3:45:32
have my life been like? She thinks like that.
3:45:35
And I mean, there's so many fucking variables in our lives,
3:45:39
ladies and gentlemen, that if you just went, you were like 5
3:45:43
minutes late to something, Your whole life wouldn't have been
3:45:46
changed. Or maybe for the worst, you know
3:45:51
what I mean? I'm just babbling incoherently,
3:45:54
as usual. John's used to it, dude.
3:45:56
We're just guys talking about life and shit.
3:45:58
We're talking about being human. Like we all have experiences, We
3:46:02
all have relationships. Like we all have heartbreak.
3:46:05
We all have pain. That's that's what life's about.
3:46:10
And that's why that's why these podcasts exist, I guess, so
3:46:17
people can vicariously feel that themselves as well.
3:46:24
I can appreciate that. Let me throw out a couple
3:46:28
hypotheticals at you guys. I think John might have heard
3:46:31
some of them, but I think you'll like this and it'll keep it
3:46:33
interesting for you. Let's say that you're driving
3:46:36
down the road with your wife or girlfriend, Drewski, and you see
3:46:40
it. All of a sudden a huge pileup
3:46:42
happens in front of you. OK, well, you get out of your
3:46:46
vehicle to see if anybody's OK, and you notice that at the same
3:46:51
distance, to your left and to your right, there are two women
3:46:54
and they're trying to fight your way out of a vehicle.
3:46:57
You then notice some gasoline that is coming down and you only
3:47:02
have time to save save one. One of them is pregnant and the
3:47:06
other one is not pregnant. Which one would you try to save
3:47:10
if you could save one without consequence?
3:47:13
That's a very specific hypothetical, but I would try to
3:47:17
save the pregnant woman. Why?
3:47:22
Because there are two lives there.
3:47:26
Ah, that's interesting. If there were other atheists in
3:47:31
here right now, they'd be all over you, brother.
3:47:33
I'm just saying, yeah, that's like red meat for them.
3:47:38
Yeah. You're basically saying that
3:47:40
that fetus is a life form and it's worth saving by this
3:47:44
hypothetical, of course. But if we get into specifics of,
3:47:50
like, how pregnant the woman is and should we, you know, in a
3:47:55
different situation, like if the woman's life was in danger of
3:48:00
this pregnancy, like, should she abort the baby?
3:48:03
Of course the the woman should be favored.
3:48:08
Do you feel that we should go along with the motto that we've
3:48:12
heard for years, that we should value the choice of a woman,
3:48:16
that she should be able to technically do whatever she
3:48:18
wants with her body? You know what?
3:48:23
I hate that phrase because I I'm not pro-choice.
3:48:28
I'm not pro-life, but I think that abortion is immoral but and
3:48:34
I am an atheist, but I I fucking hate the the saying that like oh
3:48:41
a woman can't choose what happens with her own body.
3:48:46
But like, you know what? Here in America nobody can
3:48:50
choose what happens with their own body.
3:48:52
Like if you're a if you're a 60 year old man and if you have a
3:48:56
if if you need a heart transplant, you you can't choose
3:49:01
to have a heart transplant if you don't have the money.
3:49:06
I agree with you on that. Let me try one more thing on
3:49:10
you. It seems like you're probably
3:49:11
going to answer in the same way to this hypothetical.
3:49:14
This question about to ask usually causes a lot of
3:49:18
frustration and excitement from some of the non believers I've
3:49:21
had in here. So you're sitting on a Cliff.
3:49:24
You're enjoying a valley before you.
3:49:28
You're loving seeing the horizon and all this.
3:49:31
Well, suddenly in the weeds you start hearing some scampering
3:49:33
around. You look and about 20 feet away
3:49:37
from you, some strange woman who appears to be pregnant has come
3:49:41
out of the Bush and she says don't try to stop me, it's my
3:49:46
body. I'm going to jump off this
3:49:48
Cliff. She's pregnant.
3:49:50
Would you allow her? Would you respect her wishes?
3:49:53
Let her do what she wants to with their body?
3:49:54
Kill herself in the fetus? Or would you attempt to stop her
3:49:58
or talk her down? Are you asking me or John or
3:50:03
both of us? Well, both of you, what would
3:50:05
you do? Would you let her take a swan
3:50:07
dive and become panic cake on the rocks?
3:50:10
Or would you try to do something?
3:50:13
I would try to stop her and talk to her, even if she wasn't
3:50:18
pregnant. Why would you do that?
3:50:24
This is obviously what they would call her choice.
3:50:27
Her body. Can't she do what that is she
3:50:29
wants? Yeah.
3:50:30
But I know that there are like psychological deficiencies like
3:50:36
that could develop in people. And it's like, you know, there's
3:50:40
so many different psychological ailments people can have and
3:50:46
they have been helped and they have been saved and they have
3:50:50
lived full lives. It doesn't matter if she's
3:50:52
pregnant or not. Carrying a fetus, carrying a
3:50:56
baby inside you, John, you'd say it's pretty stressful in the
3:50:59
body. It can cause mental, emotional,
3:51:02
all kinds of different pain and suffering.
3:51:05
But still, if it's the woman's choice, I mean, that's what I
3:51:09
always get argued with. If it's the woman's choice, if
3:51:13
it's her body, she should be able to do it.
3:51:15
But why is it that 98% of people, when asked this
3:51:18
question, they're like, fuck that.
3:51:20
Whether she's pregnant or not, I'm going to try to help her.
3:51:23
Then that brings me to wonder, why do you even care?
3:51:27
If you don't know the person, then why do you feel the
3:51:30
connection? And somebody might argue,
3:51:32
because I know what pain feels like, yeah, but you don't know
3:51:34
what ending the pain completely feels like.
3:51:37
Not just yet. Why would anybody care if
3:51:40
there's nothing if we're just organic meat is the thing that I
3:51:44
question. I think sometimes these
3:51:48
questions can be a little bit difficult to answer because
3:51:51
you're trying to, like, use sometimes reason, logic and
3:51:56
rationale to answer the question.
3:52:00
But you know, to be honest with you, you know half of the time
3:52:05
you know humans aren't reasonable, rational, logical.
3:52:08
You know people you know or organisms or whatever you want
3:52:13
to, you know, whatever you want to refer to us as, you know, you
3:52:16
know, we make decisions based off of emotions and all all
3:52:20
sorts of different factors, right.
3:52:22
So you know, when that sort of situation, you know what what a
3:52:25
person's thinking and and feeling and how you react, it's
3:52:29
it's it's you know you don't you you can't tell.
3:52:33
You know you can never be too sure.
3:52:35
I mean, for me, I guess I would talk the person out of it, but
3:52:40
at the end of the day, I'm, you know, I'm not going to, you
3:52:42
know, grab handcuffs and handcuff her to the, you know,
3:52:49
the rack, you know, the the, the chain fence, let's say it's a
3:52:53
bridge, right. I'm not going to handcuff her to
3:52:55
the bridge so that she can't jump.
3:52:57
You know, if she's going to do it, she's going to do it.
3:52:59
You know, that's as sad as it is, you know, But maybe I would
3:53:03
tackle her. I don't know, you know, I just,
3:53:05
you don't know what would happen at that moment.
3:53:07
You know, I'm going to tell you both a true story real quick,
3:53:11
and I'd like to hear your opinion on it, your view.
3:53:14
Anybody out there that wants to try to answer this?
3:53:17
This would be great. This happened about two years
3:53:20
ago in my town. Apparently there was a young
3:53:23
woman who she was between 20 and 25 years old.
3:53:27
She got into a car accident and she was considered brain dead,
3:53:31
but her parents refused to pull the plug on her.
3:53:34
They let her live on the machines.
3:53:36
Well, what happens is a couple years go by, they come in and
3:53:41
they noticed that their daughter's body's going through
3:53:44
some weird transformation. It's seems to be getting bigger
3:53:48
and expanding. Well, about nine months later,
3:53:51
she ends up having a baby. They cut her open and take a
3:53:54
baby out of her. She got pregnant somehow.
3:53:58
They ended up finding out that a a doctor that was working on her
3:54:03
was actually abusing her while she was in this brain dead
3:54:06
state. Now the question I have for you,
3:54:08
and this is going to be very dark.
3:54:10
If she's not conscious and she's never going to come back to
3:54:13
life, why does it matter? Why does it matter what this
3:54:16
doctor did to her if she can't scream out or feel pain from it?
3:54:22
I think this falls down to if I if I don't mean to interact it I
3:54:26
look like Drew is going to say something.
3:54:28
I apologize. But if if I take this, I think
3:54:30
This is why we need a a really good understanding about
3:54:33
property rights. And I don't this, this is going
3:54:36
to say sound harsh for a lot of people, but your your body is
3:54:40
property you know? How can I put this elegantly in
3:54:45
a nice way? You own your body.
3:54:47
It's, it's, it's, it's it's your property.
3:54:50
It belongs to you. And I say you, it's because
3:54:52
you're not your body, right. When when someone says the
3:54:55
statement, you know, oh, you know, Bob asks Joey, you know,
3:54:58
do you have the keys? And it's like, oh, it's on me,
3:55:00
it's on my person. But what does that statement
3:55:02
mean? It's on your person.
3:55:03
It means that you're separate from from your body.
3:55:06
Right. So we haven't understand as
3:55:08
human beings that we're spiritual and we're physical.
3:55:12
We're half and half now that you know even though she's in a in a
3:55:18
in a comatose state we we don't have any sort of understanding
3:55:22
or clue what's actually going on and but but her her body is
3:55:26
still belongs to her. So the fact that this doctor
3:55:29
violated her her personal space is is still a violation of her
3:55:33
rights. She's a human being even though
3:55:35
she's comatose. So it's just the fact that you
3:55:38
know I'm guessing this is in the United States.
3:55:40
United States. You said St.
3:55:41
Louis Brett you said this in your town so I mean the fact
3:55:45
that you know I would say argue from a constitutional point of
3:55:48
view that she she this doctor violated her civil rights and
3:55:52
and that's just that's that's the end end of it all and you
3:55:56
should and you should pay dearly even though she.
3:55:59
And and that it goes to anyone who's not capable of defending
3:56:02
themselves. A child someone who's
3:56:05
handicapped it's anyone it's someone who violates another
3:56:08
person is violating their personal rights.
3:56:10
Civil rights. Yeah.
3:56:12
But politicians as well as people in the medical
3:56:16
profession, they've argued for years that although, John, you
3:56:20
make a good argument about it being our own property and our
3:56:23
own being, whether we're conscious or aware of it or not,
3:56:27
people can make the decision to kill you.
3:56:29
They can make the decision to turn the fucking machine off.
3:56:32
So if it's OK to kill you, why isn't it OK to also rape a
3:56:36
person who is unconscious and cannot feel any pain?
3:56:39
Well, that's what I'm saying. I mean, it is a violation of
3:56:41
property, right? I mean, that's what I'm saying.
3:56:43
It's a violation your rights. So.
3:56:44
So if you're comment toast and you're in the hospital bed and
3:56:47
they shut your machine off and kill you, this they're violating
3:56:49
your civil rights. You have a right to life,
3:56:51
liberty in the prison of happiness.
3:56:53
That's that's guaranteed to all humans.
3:56:55
As Americans, at least. I mean I don't know about all
3:56:57
humans around the world. But as Lee that as you know as
3:57:00
an American you have civil rights, you have a right to
3:57:03
life. So the fact that they violated
3:57:05
is is a violation your rights that's that's that's the end of
3:57:09
it all. I mean I don't know the the
3:57:11
particular details of it all and maybe there's instances of the
3:57:15
support the Supreme Court may be ruled maybe there are issues
3:57:19
with it when it comes to hospitals and and patients and
3:57:22
and what happens and maybe there's a lot of nuance in this.
3:57:27
But as far as I know that This is why we we got to go back to
3:57:30
understanding property rights and that that's the problem with
3:57:32
with the United States in general is that we we take I
3:57:36
don't know if we're allowed to talk about this on YouTube but
3:57:38
we went through this a couple of years ago and and people were I
3:57:43
can't say but they were forced to do a certain thing and and
3:57:47
they they they if they didn't do this certain thing they they
3:57:50
lost their job they were ostracized they were politically
3:57:55
smeared they were called all such names and and you know but
3:58:00
these same people did not only 20 years ago was you know going
3:58:04
against the you know corporate media and big farmer and now now
3:58:07
all of a sudden they're their biggest champions it.
3:58:10
So it doesn't make any sense from a liberal point of view,
3:58:13
but I would, I would argue just just on that is from a liberal
3:58:16
point of view people have rights and and liberty and and that's
3:58:21
and and we have to go back to that and and and that's it.
3:58:24
That's what it comes down to. People are too quick to violate
3:58:27
someone else's rights and and it's it's a sad fact of reality.
3:58:33
It's kind of weird though, isn't it Drisky and John, that these
3:58:37
liberals, they go on talking about how much they care about
3:58:40
races and diversity and all this stuff that's going on out there.
3:58:44
But the moment you disagree with them on any fucking given topic,
3:58:48
suddenly you become a bowl of Jelly that has no fucking worth,
3:58:52
that they can do whatever the hell they want to with.
3:58:54
But until can I say something? Sure you can.
3:58:59
I I just want to say that that is a very specific and extreme
3:59:04
hypothetical because it reminded me of Kill Bill volume one.
3:59:09
Where Remember, the bride was shot and she was technically
3:59:14
brain dead, but she was pregnant before she was brain dead.
3:59:21
So they kept her alive just because she had a human
3:59:27
gestating inside of her and her child.
3:59:31
Spoilers. I I don't want to spoil it, but
3:59:36
well, your computer just did a poop.
3:59:39
Who, me? Hello.
3:59:44
You're lagging up. You got to reload, man.
3:59:47
Who? Me?
3:59:47
Drew. I got to reload.
3:59:52
Oh, no. It looks like my internet's
3:59:54
having some trouble too. Yeah, I hear Drew.
3:59:57
I hear Drew just fine. I hear Drew just fine.
4:00:00
But I just want to interject here real quick.
4:00:02
I mean, that's isn't it fascinating that a person can be
4:00:05
brain dead and comatose, but yet a doctor can rape that person
4:00:09
and then they can conceive a baby and the baby grows.
4:00:13
As far as I know, bred as it was a healthy and functional that
4:00:16
they did. She produce a baby that was.
4:00:18
Liable. I mean that's to me that's
4:00:20
remarkable that a a person can can do that and and it shows me
4:00:24
that there's more to to you than just your consciousness.
4:00:27
So I I mean, there's something more there, right?
4:00:29
You can be unconscious and.