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Episode 104: Shilling for Dante after Dark · Inside Integration

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  Welcome to the Inside Integration Podcast.
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  My name is Chris. I am joined, as always, by my
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  partner Jason. What's up, everybody?
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  And this is inside integration. After dark, we are, we, we are
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  recording this one at 9:00 PM because Jason's schedule is all
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  over the place and you know, that's here we are.
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  You know what we're we're keeping the dream alive.
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  We're keeping the streak alive. It really doesn't matter what
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  time of day that we record this because we don't know what time
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  of day people are going to listen.
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  It could be early in the morning, It could be in the van
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  on the way to work. It could be a friend of mine
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  somewhere in Cleveland, OH. That's just like, hey, I heard
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  that you had a podcast. I want to listen to what's going
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  on. You guys are.
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  Weird. I don't understand what you guys
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  are talking about, but we like you.
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  Yeah, we need more of that and and you know, more of the
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  absolutely more of the inside, you know, more of the inside
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  stuff that nobody else gets. And maybe it's funny to like 3
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  people, but you know, that's, that's how we roll.
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  That's that's what we. Do hey, you know what I'll, I'll
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  take it. You know, we, we keep, we keep
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  averaging whatever 30 to 40 listens or downloads or whatever
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  it looks like on one platform, I'll take it, take it 10 or 15
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  or whatever on another. Like you know what I'll.
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  Take it. We'll we'll do whatever we can.
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  We're pretty much doing this for ourselves, but we we enjoy the
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  people like to listen and I, I do enjoy the the non sequitur
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  comments like, Hey, I listen to your podcast.
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  I. Forgot to add 1.
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  Which? Which one?
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  Nobody's not supposed? Nobody's supposed to hear that.
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  Yeah, that's just, this is just our private therapy session.
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  Is what we just record and and broadcast out so that people can
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  make fun of us behind our backs? Yeah, absolutely.
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  But yeah, so in in line with that and one of the reasons that
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  we are here in in the PM instead of in the usual AM is we had to
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  keep that streak alive because the streak right now is at 104
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  episodes, which if you can math that is 2 years worth of weekly
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  episodes. So.
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  We're in the terrible twos now, Chris.
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  It's means that we can throw tantrums, we can be completely
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  unreasonable. Yeah, we do not want to go to
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  bed on time, but we want to have a nap.
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  I don't want to eat my vegetables clock.
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  Every day. Consistently, as if on a
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  schedule. Shit my pants.
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  That's how you know, this is, you know, at the most opportune
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  times possible. And I mean, it's it is time is a
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  flat circle. And as we get older, yeah, we
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  are going to have to deal with those things again.
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  Yeah, it's, it's what goes around, comes back around and
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  not necessarily in the way that we want them to, but, you know,
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  it's, it's crazy. It's crazy to think that, you
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  know, again, not neither one of us have been on every episode of
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  this podcast. But I.
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  Missed a couple. Yeah.
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  I mean, it's fine, you know, I mean, you've still got me beat,
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  but, you know, that's fine. We'll one day we'll catch up on
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  the. Show there was there was going
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  to have to work all the buttons that there was an episode that
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  the one the one that pops into my mind is like there was an
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  episode where like you were travelling and I was travelling
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  and there was no way that we were going to be able to you
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  know, hit one bullet with the other and try and get me in
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  space and I was just in a hotel Oh man, where the hell I forgot
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  even what town I was in where. Oh, you've already, you've
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  already climaxed to the I don't know what town I'm in.
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  I don't know what room I'm in. You're already there.
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  I. Was in like San Francisco or
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  something, but basically it was a laptop set up on the thing and
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  it's dark in a room. And like I just kind of poured
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  my heart into this stupid episode talking about this this
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  terrible place that I used to work a long time ago.
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  Not recently, this terrible place that I worked a long time
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  ago. And you know where there's one
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  job went off the rails and yeah, man, just I just needed to we
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  couldn't let this end right. Like this is a lot like there's
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  there's a famous baseball story. I don't know if it's true or sue
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  me. When Cal Rican junior was going
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  to trying to beat Lucard, right, that Iron Man streak.
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  And there was there's this base that's going around Glee heat
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  life sleeping with her. The game the Baltimore Orioles
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  essentially faked the power outage at the stadium got on and
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  said that Cali was not in the mental state to play baseball
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  that night with the game and miss breaking the the streak
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  record. Yeah if you look up like Cal
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  Rustler there's a lot yeah it's it's it's know if it's true or
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  not to believe that it is one of those wild ass but that's that's
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  basically it's what that episode was.
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  Oh man, I can't miss 1 is out here and throw don't work with
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  any more of them. So go back and look, we're
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  recording. And it was just doing the same
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  thing for me too. Like you were cutting out and
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  you were just like it was you were missing every other word
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  and that kind of thing. So it might have just been, it's
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  probably on my fucking side whatever anyway, but.
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  OK. Anyway, here we go, technology.
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  Here we go. If you can suffer through all of
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  that and you, you, you continue to go and you can still
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  listening. Stick it with us because we're
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  going to make it happen. Yeah, right.
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  And I mean, this might be completely unlistenable in the
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  front of your car. Just just what we are going to.
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  We're going to record it. And if it's slop, we're still
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  going to put it in because that keeps the streak alive.
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  That's here. We are keep the streak alive and
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  it's our second year anniversary.
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  So and you know, typical for our show it it might be a little
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  banged up. We've had some audio challenges
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  in the past. So let's let's see if we can,
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  you know, power through and and keep it.
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  Going So we've been we've. Been on a When you think about
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  two years, yeah, when you think about two years and you think
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  about all the things that we've talked about and I feel like,
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  you know, we've maybe had some of the same conversations over
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  and over again just made in different ways but you know,
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  that's kind of what podcasts are about there's.
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  Nothing new in this. Issue, I was thinking, no, I was
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  thinking a little bit about some of the some of the the changes
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  even that we've seen in the last two years in the industry.
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  And you know, we talked a lot about convergence, we talked a
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  lot about conglomeration, we talked a lot about fall off.
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  I was thinking a little bit today on my drive home about
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  what the next wave of integration in our industry
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  looks like in terms of OK, we're, we're very clearly headed
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  towards the lighting and shade and comfort business and the,
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  the electrical contracting world and the low voltage custom
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  integration world are running, you know, full speed at each
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  other. I'm trying to think of the
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  There's a spider Man villain that looks like a rhyme sort
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  like a rhino. Yes, I'm trying to think his.
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  Name is Rhino. His name is Rhino.
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  Is that? What it is, Yeah.
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  Jack Kirby wasn't very original when he drew that shit, but
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  yeah, no, no, it's, it's Rhino, so yeah.
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  Yeah, Rhino and Rhino are running at each other headlong
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  and like you know, those are our two industries.
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  But you know, I was thinking about kind of the swing again
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  for what the next, you know, pass of entertainment or non
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  furniture, non lifestyle, non lighting technology is going to
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  look like. And I was really struggling to
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  kind of come up with some some thoughts or some ideas.
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  But then I kind of coalesced on some experience that I had here
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  over the last couple of days, playing around with Dante and
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  learning more about Dante and really what that could mean for
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  the integration space. And I think maybe neither one of
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  us are Dante experts, at least not yet.
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  You're you're getting there. For sure, that's my job.
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  But I, I, I kind of thought again, you know, to, to call out
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  a, a product that you know, you, you know, the, the Southwest
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  piece, Southwest 42, right. That's what it's called.
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  Got got a chance to, to look and touch and, and you know,
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  finesse, if you will, that piece in the real world and got to see
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  that connected to our partner product at at Blaze with their
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  Dante products and how that's all deployed.
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  And it sort of brought me back to a spot where I was like, this
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  is what, you know, the promise of decentralized AV looks like
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  this is really delivering on some of those things that I
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  thought maybe it might be good for you and I to kind of kick
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  that around and talk a little bit about what Dante is and
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  maybe what Dante isn't. I I had some misconceptions
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  about kind of what it is and what it's not.
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  And you being the expert more so than me, maybe send me up for
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  failure. Can, can help, can help sort of
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  illuminate some of that. Yeah.
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  Take another vape. You'll be you'll be good.
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  My 3D printer is right next to me so it's all micro plastics.
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  It's all micro plastics that you're breathing in right now.
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  So you're getting it on both ends.
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  But the yeah, the the the thing that I learned that I, I guess I
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  wasn't super sure about or didn't really know.
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  And maybe we can queue this up as like the things that you know
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  or didn't know about what Dante is sure.
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  I guess I kind of didn't know. I had a misconception that it
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  needed to maybe live, you know, in a residential setting at
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  least maybe on a, on a subnet or on a maybe even a completely
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  different network or required like a server or something like
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  that. And I found out, I think pretty
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  quickly that none of those things are true.
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  No, I. Know so your, your realization
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  was the same as mine. Like honestly, like that was
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  that was kind of my impression. And like, I had done work in
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  commercial spaces with Dante before and you're, you had the
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  same realization as I did recently, you know, same thing.
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  It's like, no, these things coexist.
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  They can all, they can all roll together.
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  Not a big deal. It's pretty wild.
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  Yeah, that's that's pretty exciting.
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  So for for anybody that's like a networking person out there, you
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  know, if you're doing, we'll just say you've got a 192.1
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  network, right? So you, you've got your 255
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  addresses that are associated with that 1.2 or, you know,
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  whatever it is, right? You know, one dot 1.168, blah,
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  blah, blah. Like whatever your hexadecimal
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  math is, you change that, you know, you change that third
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  integer to A2 and now you've got 255 or 254, excuse me, usable
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  addresses for streams or for content that you could park on
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  the same network as the router or the switch or the whatever
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  that you've got in your system and have that basically be a
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  completely separate VLAN with its own data traffic.
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  You can monitor it, you can, you know, ping it, you can talk to
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  it. You can see what's going on.
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  That just solely is doing your music streams or doing your
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  video streams or doing whatever you're using Dante for.
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  So that was kind of an aha for me.
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  And if I'm if I misspeaking please please correct.
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  Me No, no, I'm, I'm just, I'm letting you go because this is
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  yeah, you're you're in it. And it almost seems like like
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  once you learn, once you learn a lot more about it and like once
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  you kind of immerse yourself in it, you know, and kind of get
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  familiar with what it is and what it isn't, It's almost like
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  a moment. And you're like, man, I've been
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  doing this in residential for as long as Dante has been, right?
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  Like, you know, think about all the, you know, think of audio
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  matrices, right? Think about all of the, you're,
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  you know, using balance to get audio back from ATV into your
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  whole house audio system, right? And think about, you know,
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  running, you know, mux lab balance and BLDBLRS audio
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  control, you know, unbalancers and balancers and that kind of
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  stuff. And we could have been using
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  Dante's been around in commercial space for a long
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  time, you know, for that kind of thing where you know, it's just
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  it's, it's a good solution. You know, you kind of think
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  about it and then and stop me, you know, stop me.
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  If this wasn't your experience, you really start thinking about
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  like, holy shit, this is, this is super powerful.
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  This is like, I could literally, you know, put a Dante widget
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  wherever I want it. I can, you know, I could pull
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  multi track audio out of an E arc signal at whatever
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  amplifiers I want in the house while also, you know, and
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  compressed. It's completely, you know, you
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  know, full digital fidelity. The clocks are all synced up so
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  that you're not going to, you know, weird echoey bullshit.
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  So you know, the, the, the use case is like, you know, master
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  bedroom TV, you're pushing audio.
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  You know, if if you're, you know, you're in your master
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  bedroom, right, and you want to hear the master bedroom TV or
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  master bath, that's a pretty common use case, right?
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  So, you know, typically you could use, you know, you would
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  send that signal and a log or whatever, you know, back down to
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  the rack to the audio distribution system.
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  And then it makes that route and it comes back.
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  And now there's like, you know, there's a snout between your
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  bathroom speakers and your TV that's on the other side of your
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  master bedroom, right? Not a big deal if you're not
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  looking at the picture. But as soon as you are, it's,
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  it's horrible. You know, it's, it's very first
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  of all problems, obviously, but you know, it's, it's, it's, it's
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  an issue. It becomes more of an issue
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  where, you know, you've got a surround sound system in in your
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  space and you've got 7.1 and Atmos and everything else and
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  you want to feed that audio to the bar, you know, which is, you
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  know, yeah man, you don't have to down convert.
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  You don't have to do anything weird.
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  You can just here's this audio signal here's that audio signal.
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  I can route it here. I can route it there.
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  It's it starts to kind of fill you with like this of wow.
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  I can you know, I can do so much with this right.
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  Like I can, you know, I just plug this thing into the
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  network. Jack works.
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  Yeah. And that's the whole, the whole
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  key thing about Dante is it's, it's synchronized clocks, right?
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  Like there is a, there is a signal so that every piece of
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  device if if you're familiar with like film and that kind of
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  thing, time code is key, right? That syncs up the audio with the
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  video, how many frames, how many whatever Dante is the same
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  thing. It's got a there's a master
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  clock. It synchronizes with all the
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  constituent clocks. And that's how it knows what
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  slow down audio here or here to to compensate for, you know,
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  the, the distance instead of travelling and, and what it's
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  doing. And yeah, man, it is pretty
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  slick and it really makes you look at a lot of these products
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  like, you know, matrix switchers and that kind of thing, you
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  know, audio matrices and, and you're like, man, that can all
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  be done in a piece of software. I don't.
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  Even need right, I mean, depending you got the right
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  gear, right, You like it's, you know, I think it's it's
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  important to point out like it's not a control system.
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  It's not it's not a true audio matrix, at least in from the
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  standpoint of, you know, it's not MVX from Crestron, right,
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  like it's not those things. So you you do have to have kind
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  of an understanding of, hey, like these are my limitations
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  without those kinds of products. Can you incorporate them, those
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  with Dante? Absolutely.
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  But like, to your point, like for the integrator, that's gets
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  the question of, yeah, my client wants to have the game on in
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  their house and they've got pool in the backyard or they've got
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  a, you know, where I was out here, where we're at the lake
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  house where they've got audio system outside.
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  And maybe they've got boats and they've got some other stuff.
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  They're goofing around in the water.
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  And you know, the game just came on.
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  We'd love to hear the audio from the TV out here in the backyard.
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  And in a lot of cases in the old days, you'd fire up this, you
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  know, you'd fire up your, you know what, your Zone 2 output or
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  whatever. And you know, to pick the TV as
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  a source, you mix all these things around.
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  I mean, with with Dante, you can just basically have these
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  presets and you know your, your ability to share those audio
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  sources or video sources to other places with 0 latency bit
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  perfect is a extremely powerful tool and extremely flexible
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  tool. And the fact that the boxes are
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  not, you know, 18 by whatever the standard width is, you know,
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  17 1/2 by 8 by 14 deep or whatever, right.
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  With the standard component, you've got something that really
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  changes the, the nature of, of what integration means.
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  And I think for the, for the AV people out there that are still
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  looking to keep that as part of their bread and butter, that and
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  it's not something that just, you know, Joe Schmuckatelli can
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  go grab from the deli and slap into their system DIY.
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  I mean, maybe they could, but they've got to be, and they've
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  got to be network centric. They've got to be capable and
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  understanding. But I mean that that ERC encoder
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  to be able to share that stream to one Dante piece for a local
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  source, but also be able to share that over multiple units
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  on the same network. You know, maybe you've got
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  multiple buildings on the same, you know, on the same network
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  and or you're doing it Wi-Fi or you've got some, you know, some
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  way to join these things together in an enterprise way.
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  It's a lot easier to run a CAT5 in a piece of conduit than it is
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  to like try to send a digital signal or, or an analog
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  syncopated. So now you're connecting
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  buildings over a single piece of stranded cable or twisted pair
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  cable. Excuse me.
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  And I mean talk about powerful interconnect and a way to
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  deliver an experience that I don't think really has existed
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  in at least in a residential space up until now.
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  Very. Fun and it's it's a it is it's,
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  it's super fun and what's cool is that it just is the
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  limitations of your network, right and and that could be you
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  know that could be as many feet as you want, right So if you're
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  running fiber to your outbuildings, you got a building
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  that's a quarter mile away, it can absolutely be part of that
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  your main house with that the switch in the other house over
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  fiber if you wish. And on the network, you know,
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  it's another network device. If you got network connectivity,
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  you've got and you can pick, you know, you could pick those
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  streams out of thin air, right? So in other words, you know,
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  you've got you've got access to whatever source you want.
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  So if you got, again, we're talking about, you know,
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  palatial estates here. But if you've got 15 TV's that
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  all have that have a feed into Dante, you can pick any one of
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  those 15 TV's and send out audio anywhere you want to without
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  running into the limitation of, you know, analog jacks or
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  matrices or whatever it is, right?
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  You're not limited by 16 by 16 anymore and loop outs and that
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  kind of thing. You can do 128 by 128 if you so
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  desire, right. And you know, it's, it's pretty
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  slick. It also kind of opens up the
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  world because it came from commercial and because the stuff
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  is used in use and commercial spaces and like having stuff and
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  a lot of those things too. So, you know, we had a couple of
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  projects out here in in California and Orange County
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  where, you know, they would these folks had giant homes and
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  they'd love to entertain and they would have, you know, a DJ
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  come by. Well, if the DJ can just plug
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  his board into a pair of XLRS, he can pipe his set throughout
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  the house. You could also have a mixer and
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  a microphone off of that if you wanted to do, you know,
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  whatever. If you're, you know, if you're
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  having an event in your yard and somebody's walking around with a
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  microphone and you know they're MC dude, you can horse on the
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  audios net anywhere you want to. You've got APA on your you're
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  you're you're like presenting like you're, you know, Patrabet
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  or you know, Pat Sajak yard like there's no there's no extra
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  equipment to buy. You know, you're you're already
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  there. And I think one of the things
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  that I didn't offers out there for free, you go to the Autonate
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  website, you can download the the Dante software and you can
• 19:03
  pull the network and you can look over all the things and
• 19:05
  it'll pull the network that you've got and it'll pull up all
• 19:07
  the devices. And you can, if you've got them
• 19:09
  named already or you can configure all that stuff.
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  Like it really changes, I think the nature and the skill set for
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  what, what integrators are doing.
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  That's something that nobody's seeing right now, but it's
• 19:21
  basically like a like a pivot table where you've got your,
• 19:24
  your outputs devices streamed to there.
• 19:26
  Every time I want to see, you know, I've got this speaker, you
• 19:28
  know, this amp goes to this speaker or what you figured out
• 19:31
  in your mind. I mean, an extremely powerful,
• 19:35
  extremely flexible tool. And I'm really excited to see
• 19:38
  what the next five years brain space because I think that is
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  the. Future.
• 19:43
  Where AV receivers kind of are going, right.
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  I think that's where back into the realm of the residential
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  space, you know, whether they're Genelecs or they're some other,
• 19:55
  you know, Dante enrolled categories for manufacturers as
• 19:58
  well as integrators to tap in and and bring solutions to
• 20:01
  client. 100% you know it's described as anywhere else is
• 20:08
  that it's a verdict right? Like Dante's just it's a patch
• 20:11
  bank and it's almost want and just there you can imagine BC to
• 20:16
  you know, there's annotators Erk to Dante, there's and and I
• 20:20
  mean, that's the ones that I make, you know, like that's and
• 20:23
  that this, you know, this show isn't necessarily a reward.
• 20:25
  For. It's, you know, yeah, this is.
• 20:29
  I'm really glad you looked. The commercial today.
• 20:31
  Happy. Anniversary Here's a commercial
• 20:33
  No. Here's a commercial for our two
• 20:35
  year anniversary where we talk about all the self-serving
• 20:37
  things that we really want to have happen, right?
• 20:40
  For our for our integration partners and for our for
• 20:43
  ourselves. Thankfully, we want everybody to
• 20:44
  adopt this stuff. So we've got new categories and
• 20:47
  new things to sell to people. Come on, let's go.
• 20:48
  Yeah, we, we really, yeah. We've just, we've exposed
• 20:50
  ourselves as shills and I promise in, you know, in we're
• 20:53
  not going to be sponsored or anything, even though it sounds
• 20:56
  like we probably are, but. Yeah, no, but but I think it's
• 21:00
  an important thing to talk about.
• 21:01
  I do think in our channel, because Dante is a, is a very
• 21:04
  common question. It's a very top topic.
• 21:07
  You know, it's a it's a often mentioned feature.
• 21:09
  I think it's not well understood and I'm still on the on the low
• 21:13
  end of the learning curve. But I was really excited to to
• 21:17
  kind of walk through all of the insurance and the outs and some
• 21:20
  of the capabilities there. And then when you look at what,
• 21:22
  what some amplifiers can do digitally to those streams with
• 21:26
  notch filters and and contouring for sound, like people kind of
• 21:31
  balk, I think at network audio like, oh, it's not high
• 21:34
  fidelity. It's not those things.
• 21:36
  I'm like it's. Uncompressed.
• 21:37
  Oh shit, it's uncompressed. I don't think you really know
• 21:40
  what, what you're what you're talking about because I mean, if
• 21:44
  you're, I mean, you can do like with this little tool.
• 21:47
  Hey, let me see like where the dashboard starts to wobble or
• 21:50
  where I need to slap dynamite to keep get house hits to 215.7
• 21:55
  Hertz. The light fixtures start to
• 21:57
  dance. They're not going to be able to
• 21:58
  hear that narrow bandwidth of, of drop out.
• 22:02
  But the the reality is you didn't hang us down.
• 22:04
  All you did was drag a fader down on a certain frequency and,
• 22:07
  and pull that down. So now all of a sudden I'm like
• 22:10
  that, right? Like there's not a lot you can
• 22:12
  do about subwoofers or or deep bass, but in terms of high
• 22:15
  frequency stuff, there's a a lot you can do to to and get rid of
• 22:18
  moating and stuff like that. So I was, you know, pretty
• 22:21
  excited to see the the the veil could really mean for for true
• 22:26
  audio files, for true custom integrators for guys and for
• 22:30
  neat flexibility that again, is lossless, is bit perfect, is
• 22:34
  time aligned. I'm not throw it out.
• 22:36
  There now it's I'm really happy you brought it up that if
• 22:39
  there's anything too sure of CI that's that's pretty a
• 22:42
  distribution at least in big homes, right.
• 22:46
  You know, kind of a kind of on this thing, right.
• 22:48
  Like it is remarkable because of time sinks and what you needed
• 22:51
  to do, you know, don't have more flexibility pretty slick.
• 22:54
  And again, it's network. That means you could use the
• 22:57
  device over Ethernet. You know, it's it's Dante plug
• 23:00
  NP, and these could be an amplifier.
• 23:03
  This could be that could be you don't need plug free arc to does
• 23:07
  it's powered with and it's all centrally network.
• 23:09
  It's all whatever. But yeah, I think you're right.
• 23:12
  As future technologies go on, you know balls, I think that's
• 23:16
  Dante for audio edition something I think we're going to
• 23:18
  especially with fires things and more in the challengery, like,
• 23:22
  you know, like the pulled off of our this is something that we
• 23:25
  even really had into pretty recent and I would custom
• 23:29
  integrated probably isn't even on their map.
• 23:31
  So it was similar something called which is format.
• 23:35
  It doesn't happens that that Dante does or, you know, AES 6
• 23:38
  the initial spec or whatever. You know, savant did something
• 23:41
  like it proprietary switch. You know, it wasn't a straight,
• 23:46
  but this is going to breakthrough that back.
• 23:48
  You know you're going to see it. More stuff with a Dante end,
• 23:53
  less wires. The pool makes it easier, you
• 23:54
  know. Yeah, I think, you know, the,
• 23:58
  the fact that there's there's going to continue to be a a
• 24:01
  lifeblood for, for wired, you know, connections and or, but
• 24:06
  you know, the the reality of, of the the changes in our industry
• 24:10
  are reflected in that. And I you know, I would have
• 24:13
  never thought that in the on a network switch.
• 24:15
  I, I never really, I honestly never really gave that a whole
• 24:18
  lot of credence and I have to, so I can, you know, chew that
• 24:22
  down because I would have swore that, you know, and if it is,
• 24:26
  it'll sound like crap. And I think I've been proven
• 24:28
  wrong on every one of those freakins.
• 24:30
  I'm I'm happy to be proven that. It's kind of.
• 24:34
  This isn't actually true. You you you feel this way, but
• 24:36
  you know it. It works in live sound.
• 24:38
  It works in commercial spaces. A Rob and Shirley's, you know,
• 24:42
  boathouse or whatever, you know whatever we're working on this a
• 24:45
  new Ave. for for revenue. It opens up a new skill set and
• 24:48
  it is not something that, you know, with AV receivers, but
• 24:52
  most people can plug in an HDMI cable.
• 24:54
  This makes it much more specialized.
• 24:56
  This makes it much more custom and offer solutions that, you
• 25:00
  know, I think in the past have been kind of talked about, but
• 25:03
  not really, really cluesy in a situation where you've got
• 25:08
  again, a clock that's telling everybody this time, right?
• 25:12
  That's that's something that's way more capable than an E did
• 25:16
  say fussy about, you know, syncs and what what's the end point
• 25:20
  going to be and what's that residue?
• 25:21
  You know, go, go to this, you know, URL or go to this IP
• 25:25
  address and this is where the the stream is, you know, for,
• 25:28
  for anybody that doesn't know what we're talking about, again,
• 25:30
  I would encourage you guys to look at look at what that
• 25:34
  flexibility looks like on a large scale commercial.
• 25:38
  I've got an ERC encoder and I've got a box here that can do some
• 25:42
  video switching that I need to feed some other amps in the
• 25:45
  house or, you know, another solution in the house.
• 25:47
  And now your components go down to or of that system goes up
• 25:50
  exponentially because you're not limited to physical and you
• 25:54
  know, your centralized system kind of comes back around and
• 25:58
  becomes cool again I'm I guess around the 1st circle so.
• 26:01
  For for sure, yeah, absolutely. And, and and it's super
• 26:05
  flexible, right? Like this is, you know, this is
• 26:09
  everything that you could ever want in audio distribution.
• 26:11
  The name of this podcast is the Dante After Dark podcast I work
• 26:14
  at. Right.
• 26:16
  I mean, yeah, that here we are. Happy anniversary, here's a
• 26:19
  commercial and you know, we're Shields now, so you.
• 26:23
  Know that's. That's that's working out for
• 26:24
  us. But, you know, we, we should be
• 26:26
  drinking, you know, maybe that's why we're having technical
• 26:28
  problems. We got, yeah, I shouldn't have
• 26:30
  spilled all that, like around my laptop, yeah.
• 26:32
  Exactly. That's probably not the best
• 26:34
  thing for the electronics or you know, whatever.
• 26:36
  Sure. Right.
• 26:37
  No. But so, yeah, thanks for joining
• 26:41
  us and we'll see you next time. OK, keep your fingers crossed.
• 26:44
  If this worked, everybody take care.
• 26:46
  Bye bye.