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Credlin | 29 May · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peedo Krandlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, great to have your company. Look a lot
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Speaker 2: of news out of Canberra tonight. Let's get straight into it.
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Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up on Kredline. Over twelve hundred Chinese
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Speaker 2: spies in our meats. At least that's the warning from
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Speaker 2: one former communist spy. Now it turned informant. More warnings too,
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Speaker 2: including one from a former Labour leader, a former defense minister.
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Speaker 2: But Australia now can't even protect itself more with Greg
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Speaker 2: Sheridan hopes for a rate cut two dashed now looking
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Speaker 2: more doubtful. Inflation ticking up again today. Now it's only
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Speaker 2: a month on month data, but it's worrying. The government
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Speaker 2: hasn't been able to deliver on cost of living relief,
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Speaker 2: with fears now it will get worse. Plus, more details
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Speaker 2: emerge about the notorious Ministerial Direction ninety nine, which now
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Speaker 2: has the Prime Minister's fingerprints all over it, as news
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Speaker 2: broke today of more violent foreign criminals allowed to stay
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Speaker 2: in Australia because of this bit of paper from Andrew
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Speaker 2: Giles in another shocking day for Labor, as that week
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Speaker 2: Minister faced the consequences of his decision in the Parliament.
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Speaker 3: My question is to the Minister for Immigration.
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Speaker 4: Can my question is the Minister for Immigration.
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Speaker 5: My question is the Minister for Immigration. My question is
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Speaker 5: the Minister Immigration. My question is to the Minister for Immigration.
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Speaker 6: My question is to the Minister for Immigration.
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Speaker 2: We will stay with that slow motion train wreck that's
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Speaker 2: engulf in the government. Of course, that's the handling of
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Speaker 2: their foreign criminals crisis, which worsened today and by question
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Speaker 2: time at two pm it was dominating the Parliament.
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Speaker 7: Here is what triggered it.
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Speaker 2: Today's front page of the Israelian newspaper and news of
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Speaker 2: the latest case, a British citizen found guilty of eight
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Speaker 2: counts of rape, forty eight counts of sexual assault and
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Speaker 2: three counts of indecent treatment of a child under the
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Speaker 2: age of sixteen allowed to remain in Australia under Labour's watch.
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Speaker 2: This serial predator had his visa restored by the Administrative
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Speaker 2: Appeals Tribunal thanks to that direction ninety nine from Immigration
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Speaker 2: Minister Andrew Giles that foreign criminals should not be deported
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Speaker 2: if they had strong ties to Australia. Now under pressure,
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Speaker 2: all mourning the Home Affairs Minister Clara O'Neil tried to
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Speaker 2: back her junior colleague in and like he's been doing
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Speaker 2: for months, she tried to sheet home the blame to others.
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Speaker 8: It does appear that the decisions made by this independent
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Speaker 8: tribunal are not meeting community expectations.
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Speaker 2: Now, what is it with these ministers? Doesn't anyone have
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Speaker 2: the backbone to own up to anything. It's cowardly, it's weak,
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Speaker 2: and it's wrong to hide behind public servants in this
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Speaker 2: so called independent tribunal when some of the worst decisions
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Speaker 2: of the tribunal have been decisions made by former Labor MPs,
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Speaker 2: former Speaker Anna Burkesh. It was one former Senator Linda Kirk.
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Speaker 2: That's another. But given O'Neill's defense of Giles had even
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Speaker 2: TV Breakfast hosts saying, enough is enough.
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Speaker 8: Actually, Minister Giles has stepped in here. He's taking action
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Speaker 8: as a good minister would do. He's doing the right thing.
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Speaker 8: He's stepped in at the right moment. He stepped in
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Speaker 8: at the right moment.
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Speaker 4: Okay, a lot of people would dispute that he put
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Speaker 4: in this direction, this ministerial direction last January.
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Speaker 7: Then they used the laws, this.
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Speaker 4: Direction that was put in by your government to stay
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Speaker 4: in this country. So do you think it's maybe too
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Speaker 4: late that Andrew Giles is acting now?
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Speaker 8: I just reiterate what Minister Giles has said yesterday. Those
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Speaker 8: visas were canceled by the part that government plays in this.
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Speaker 8: An independent tribunal overturned those decisions.
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Speaker 7: Appalling no surprise.
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Speaker 2: The Opposition then took aim at the man who could
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Speaker 2: remove Giles and clean up this miss but who still
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Speaker 2: refuses to act, and that man is the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 5: Does the Prime Minister still have confidence of the Minister
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Speaker 5: for Immigration? I do, mister Speaker.
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Speaker 2: That might have been the PM's line, but the admission
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Speaker 2: that followed that he has confidence, he says. Then Giles
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Speaker 2: coming out and saying he would now remake this shocking direction,
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Speaker 2: that it would be revised. Well, that's one hell of
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Speaker 2: a concession from a government that's tried for days and
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Speaker 2: days to's tougher this out but failed.
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Speaker 1: I will be updating Ministerial Direction ninety nine, as the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister has just said order.
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Speaker 7: The new direction will ordow that all.
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Speaker 9: Members of the Aart will adopt a common sense approach
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Speaker 9: to visa decision.
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Speaker 2: The real question is why was it ever issued, and
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Speaker 2: why wasn't it changed weeks or even months ago when
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Speaker 2: it was clear how much damage this direction was doing.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister thinks that changing Direction ninety nine will
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Speaker 2: cauterize this issue, but it really just admits the scale
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Speaker 2: of failure. Let's not forget how all of this arose
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Speaker 2: in the first place. Prime Minister Anthony Albanezy wanted to
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Speaker 2: help out his friend and fellow hard left activists. Former
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Speaker 2: New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda r Dern had been complaining
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Speaker 2: for years about kiwis who committed crimes here being deported
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Speaker 2: back to their home country. FI documents from Jiles' department, well,
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Speaker 2: they reference Albanesi's commitments to ar Dern to cut the
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Speaker 2: flow of criminals back to New Zealand. Here is Liberal
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Speaker 2: James Patterson on My show last.
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Speaker 6: Night in a freendom of information, a request that was
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Speaker 6: just released publicly in the last couple of days. It
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Speaker 6: has been revealed that the Department themselves referred to the
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Speaker 6: Prime Minister's joint press conference with Disindra Ardun as the
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Speaker 6: reason why this advice to the Minister was being prepared.
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Speaker 6: So the whole thing started with the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: So that's why Direction ninety nine was issued, and that's
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Speaker 2: how dozens of foreign criminals it should no longer be
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Speaker 2: in Australia are still in the country and in some
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Speaker 2: cases are continuing to murder and rape and commit acts
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Speaker 2: of violence. The nexus between Albanese's commitments to ARDRN and
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Speaker 2: this notorious Direction ninety nine explains why, given all of
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Speaker 2: his manifest failings, Andrew Giles has not been sacked. Because
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Speaker 2: this is really Albanese's direction. The Minister was only acting
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Speaker 2: on the instructions of his faction or mate the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: It's been to try and save the Prime Minister. That
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Speaker 2: ministers have been deployed in force over the past few
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Speaker 2: days to defend Giles and to insist that this disaster
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Speaker 2: is everyone's fault but his, because if Giles was sacked,
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Speaker 2: the real risk is that the firestorm could keep going,
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Speaker 2: engulf the Prime Minister. This is what it's all been about,
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Speaker 2: saving the Prime Minister's hide at the expense of your
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Speaker 2: safety in the community. Now one though he refused to
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Speaker 2: front up and face Nnette Simmons in.
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Speaker 10: Perth, I'm not currently scheduled to visit Nenette Simons.
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Speaker 2: Far from being the fault of the Tribunal. All of
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Speaker 2: the aat's decisions to restore the visas of these repeat offenders,
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Speaker 2: they have referenced Direction ninety nine that until now the
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Speaker 2: Minister's refused to change. The latest smoke screen was laid
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Speaker 2: by the head of his department, who told send Estimates
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Speaker 2: that it was her fault. The Minister was not told
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Speaker 2: that his direction had led directly to dozens and dozens
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Speaker 2: of foreign criminals being let loose on our streets.
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Speaker 6: And Joel has essentially thrown the department under the bus
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Speaker 6: in question time today and said it's your fault that
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Speaker 6: he wasn't advised of a number of these cases being
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Speaker 6: overturned by the AAT. Is that right?
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Speaker 11: It's correct that he wasn't informed, Senator. So we had
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Speaker 11: agreed a protocol with Minister Giles to bring to his
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Speaker 11: attention cases of a particular nature, which my colleagues can
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Speaker 11: took you through, and we did not adequately resource that function,
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Speaker 11: and it was not being done in a timely way,
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Speaker 11: and we had not advised Minister Giles of that particular case.
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Speaker 2: Now, that's even though that department's advice to Minister Giles
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Speaker 2: had expressly warned him at the time he made the direction,
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Speaker 2: that Direction ninety nine would have this exact effect. Now,
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Speaker 2: I guess it's to Mischildon's credit that the bureaucrats who
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Speaker 2: aren't accountable, who can't be sacked, are trying to take
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Speaker 2: the bullets for the minister who is accountable and who
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Speaker 2: should be sacked.
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Speaker 7: But it doesn't wash.
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Speaker 2: Okay, the department might not have sent up to the
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Speaker 2: Minister's office and running tally of criminals whose visas had
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Speaker 2: been overturned, But what a competent minister wouldn't have asked
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Speaker 2: for that. What competent minister wouldn't have dragged his officials
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Speaker 2: in said what the hell's going on here and demand
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Speaker 2: a full briefing to get to the bottom of the mess.
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Speaker 2: What chief of staff I've been there? What chief of staff.
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Speaker 7: Wouldn't have followed this up?
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Speaker 2: After all, it's his name on that Direction ninety nine,
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Speaker 2: it's his signature that made this whole fiasco law. Really
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Speaker 2: claiming that it's not my fault because I was never
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Speaker 2: told about something, well, that's a europoom defense, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: That's an excuse right up there with dog ate my homework.
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Speaker 2: But the real reason he didn't chase the answers here
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Speaker 2: is he didn't want to know any of it. And anyway,
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Speaker 2: even if he had the answers, he knows exactly why
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Speaker 2: this direction is there in the first place, because it
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Speaker 2: was made at the bidding of the Prime Minister. That's
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Speaker 2: why the direction wasn't change. That's why the minister hasn't
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Speaker 2: been sacked. Now, decent labor types, they've got to be
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Speaker 2: ashamed at how far the parties fallen in standards of
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Speaker 2: probity and accountability. Here is Giles allowing dozens and dozens
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Speaker 2: of foreign criminals, murderers, rapists, child abuses, violent criminals to
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Speaker 2: stay here in Australia. And it isn't Bob Hawk's time.
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Speaker 2: He forced a Minister Mick Young to stand aside because
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Speaker 2: he'd failed to declare a bloody paddington bear a gift
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Speaker 2: for one of his grandchildren found in his luggage and
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Speaker 2: then play the applicable customs duty.
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Speaker 7: See the difference.
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Speaker 2: Unlike the Prime Minister, Well, he's not going to force
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Speaker 2: this minister out. We could be certain of two things here. First,
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Speaker 2: more is going to come to light about more and
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Speaker 2: more foreign criminals who have had their visas restored and
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Speaker 2: the government's going to continue to bleed on this. And
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Speaker 2: second it'll be the Prime Minister who rightly wears the
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Speaker 2: blame for this because he and Giles there clones of
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Speaker 2: each other, and as leader, it's the standard you walk by,
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Speaker 2: that is the standard you accept. And look, just before
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Speaker 2: we get to some other issues, I want to highlight
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Speaker 2: I do not want you to miss this appalling attempt
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Speaker 2: by coup young Tiomniku Ryan to keep you in the
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Speaker 2: dark about these foreign criminals.
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Speaker 7: Here she is in the Parliament today.
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Speaker 12: The Opposition all week has provided us with unnecessary details
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Speaker 12: of the country of origin and the alleged crimes.
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Speaker 13: Order order.
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Speaker 12: The Parliament does not need to hear the details of
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Speaker 12: the alleged or cross the crimes of these individuals. Imposing
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Speaker 12: those questions. It's unparliamentary and it's dog whistling.
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Speaker 2: Now, there are very clear standing orders around the questions
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Speaker 2: that the Opposition are asking, and there's very established practice
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Speaker 2: around where names are used and where they are not.
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Speaker 2: Now Ryan's been in the Parliament for two minutes. She
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Speaker 2: doesn't know the rules, but.
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Speaker 7: She's trying to turn this back on the opposition.
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Speaker 2: She's trying to run interference for labor because labor needs
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Speaker 2: to do well for her to survive in her seat.
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Speaker 2: Now here's the response from the opposition to her claims.
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Speaker 9: Firstly, every one of these fact situations certainly can be
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Speaker 9: authenticated because they are taken from decisions of the Administrative
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Speaker 9: Appeals Tribunal. And are they strictly necessary to make the
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Speaker 9: question intelligible? Absolutely they are. In each case we have
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Speaker 9: seen appalling acts of violence and this absolutely goes to
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Speaker 9: the public policy question which needs to be determined.
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Speaker 7: Here right here is the umpire's decision. Let's not forget
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Speaker 7: the speaker is a labor man. This is Milton Dick.
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Speaker 1: This question didn't name anyone. It had a reference in it,
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Speaker 1: so it is different to the others. I appreciate the
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Speaker 1: point that you're making when names are issued, but there
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Speaker 1: has been a long practice in the House, whether it
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Speaker 1: be owners of businesses, whether it be community representatives. It's
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Speaker 1: up to the member then to make sure they are
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Speaker 1: accurate and verified. So the question will stand. In this
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Speaker 1: particular case. He didn't mention anyone's name.
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Speaker 2: Now, if you live in the Melbourne electorate of Couyong,
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Speaker 2: I want you to remember that when you vote all right,
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Speaker 2: I said, busy day and Canterra will go then over
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Speaker 2: the headlines sky News political reporter Olivia Cayseley.
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Speaker 3: Immigration Minister Andrew Giles is under fire for the second
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Speaker 3: day as the detain issue dogs the government. The Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister confirming ministerial advice known as Direction ninety nine will
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Speaker 3: be revised. The change, created in January last year, meant
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Speaker 3: that Appeals Tribunal had to give weight to an individual's
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Speaker 3: connections to Australia when deciding whether to overturn a visa cancelation.
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Speaker 3: That direction in part led to the aat restoring visas
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Speaker 3: for rapists, pedophiles and an alleged murderer.
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Speaker 14: A new revised direction, which the Minister will be doing.
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Speaker 3: The Department has conceded it failed to flag those decisions
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Speaker 3: with the Minister and at least thirty cases are under review.
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Speaker 3: Sky News revealed a senior official within the Department of
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Speaker 3: Home Affairs had raised concerns about the potential pitfalls of
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Speaker 3: creating Direction ninety nine. Amid the political firestorm, it'll now
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Speaker 3: be torn up. The monthly inflation indicator has risen from
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Speaker 3: three point five percent to three point six percent in April,
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Speaker 3: which was higher than what economists were expecting. The largest
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Speaker 3: contributors to the rise were housing, food and drinks, tobacco, insurance,
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Speaker 3: and fuel. Electricity prices rose four point two percent over
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Speaker 3: the year to April, but the ABS says this would
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Speaker 3: have been much higher at almost fourteen percent, if it
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Speaker 3: were not for the government's energy rebates.
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Speaker 5: A shocking set of numbers.
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Speaker 9: Our expectations for inflation and our forecast aren't changed by
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Speaker 9: today's data.
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Speaker 3: The data will be watched closely by the Reserve Bank,
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Speaker 3: who meets in mid June for its next cash rate decision.
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Speaker 2: All right, for more and all of that and other things,
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Speaker 2: I'm joining now by Sky and his host national affairs
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Speaker 2: editor at the Dandy Telegraph, James Morrow, and one of
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Speaker 2: our senior reporters, I wonderful Caroline Marcus from Sydney. I'll
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Speaker 2: start with that moment I played at the end of
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Speaker 2: my editorial there James question time today the commentary from
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Speaker 2: the TLMP for cou Young Monique Ryan basically to say
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Speaker 2: implying she was saying that the Coalition was rolling out
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Speaker 2: the details of all these foreign criminals because it was
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Speaker 2: dog Whistley and I make the point. She needs to
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Speaker 2: protect labor because that's the best chance she's got to
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Speaker 2: survive at the next election. All of this information is
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Speaker 2: in court documents or tribunal documents, and they are a
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Speaker 2: matter of the public record. I mean, every Australian has
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Speaker 2: got to know, should know she'd be allowed to know
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Speaker 2: exactly what's going on.
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Speaker 15: Well, yeah, Peter, I was watching question Time today and
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Speaker 15: I was absolutely stunned to see that intervention by Monique Ryan.
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Speaker 15: I kind of felt like, you know, my TV had
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Speaker 15: switched over and had gotten the Sydney Writers' Festival feed
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Speaker 15: instead of question Time. You know, it had this sort
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Speaker 15: of like full vibe about you know, oh this is
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Speaker 15: also racist and terrible that we're talking about these things.
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Speaker 5: But she even was wrong in her question.
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Speaker 15: She said, the alleged crimes, these are all crimes that
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Speaker 15: have been proven prosecuted, and that's why the view were
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Speaker 15: initially canceled, and that's why they'd wound up in front
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Speaker 15: of the Administra of Appeals Tribunal. And it's just been
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Speaker 15: shocking to see the way she tried to run cover
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Speaker 15: there and you know what they say about dog whistling,
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Speaker 15: but also the way that you know, we've tried to
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Speaker 15: blame the AAT for something, when in fact the AT
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Speaker 15: was only following the directive the Giles in Albanisi put
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Speaker 15: forward about being sympathetic to criminals with ties. However reluse
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Speaker 15: you wanted to define them to the country.
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Speaker 2: We saw Clara O'Neil, so she's the senior portfolio minister,
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Speaker 2: she's in cabinet. Go out there, Carolina and try and
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Speaker 2: defend Giles. But just like him, she's blaming everyone, not
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Speaker 2: taking any responsibility, and blames her department. They blame the tribunal.
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Speaker 2: It all comes back to the minister's own direction. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I find this lack of accountability. I mean I made
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Speaker 2: the point there before about Mick Young. He gets rolled
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Speaker 2: because of a teddy bear and customs duty, and yet
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Speaker 2: nothing is happening to any of these appalling labor ministers.
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Speaker 7: I mean, there's no accountability.
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Speaker 13: There's a real double standard when it comes to what
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Speaker 13: side of politics you're on, isn't there? But in this case, Peter,
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Speaker 13: don't you know that Andrew Giles is the victim in
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Speaker 13: all of this. I mean, clearly he's been misled here
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Speaker 13: by not just the Administrative Appeals Tribunal, which, as Clara
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Speaker 13: O'Neil pointed out, had failed to meet community expectations. He's
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Speaker 13: also been let down by his department, who didn't bring
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Speaker 13: him these cases fast enough. In fact, everyone is to
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Speaker 13: blame here, except for the Immigration Minister himself, despite this
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Speaker 13: being his own direction, and despite the Tribunal at least
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Speaker 13: on one occasion explicitly citing that direction as the reason
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Speaker 13: that they couldn't revoke someone's visa. And we're talking about
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Speaker 13: some of the most serial, serious kind of offenders here.
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Speaker 13: And as you point out, these are not alleged offenders.
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Speaker 13: They are convicted offenders. A man who was found guilty
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Speaker 13: of raping his fourteen year old stepdaughter while his wife
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Speaker 13: was at hospital giving birth. Another attacked twenty five women
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Speaker 13: and a child. And yet here is Clara Neil defending
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Speaker 13: the handling of these types of serious offenders slipping through
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Speaker 13: the net back into the community. It is inexcusable.
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Speaker 2: I'll come back to this a little later on with
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Speaker 2: Dan Tee, and he's a shadow minister, the Liberal in
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Speaker 2: this area. There is more we'll get to that, but
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Speaker 2: we'll go to the other news out today. Inflation data.
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Speaker 2: It's ticked up, it ticked up slightly. It's gone from
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Speaker 2: three point five to three point six. It is a
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Speaker 2: movement up. There is monthly figures. It tends to sort
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Speaker 2: of be not as not a sound if I can say,
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Speaker 2: not as informative in terms of forecast as the largest
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Speaker 2: set of numbers. But it's going in the wrong way,
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Speaker 2: that's clear. We've also got numbers out of retail our sales.
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Speaker 2: They've fallen to their lowest levels in two years. That's
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Speaker 2: people shutting up their wallets. And the insolvency right in
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Speaker 2: New South Wales James's that's climbed by forty three percent
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Speaker 2: this financial year. Now, Jim Chalmers has made some big
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Speaker 2: calls with the budget. Everyone but Charmers. So all the
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Speaker 2: experts over here and the RBA are saying there's real
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Speaker 2: problems with inflation. I have to say there's a real
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Speaker 2: risk if you look at that number today that he
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Speaker 2: is denying us a potential rate cut in our mortgage.
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Speaker 15: Now, well, Peter, you know it's not just the potential
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Speaker 15: rate cut here. I mean I think a rate cut
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Speaker 15: right now is off the table, and I think the
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Speaker 15: RBA sees through a lot of the chicanery of this
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Speaker 15: government when it comes to artificially making power prices look
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Speaker 15: lower to bring down the inflation numbers. And I don't
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Speaker 15: think Michelle Bullock's going to fall for that. But beyond that,
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Speaker 15: you know, you mentioned some other really key numbers there.
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Speaker 15: That insolvency number is really worrying. Small businesses are really
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Speaker 15: hurting and people the mood in every survey you see
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Speaker 15: people are shutting up their wallets, They're worried of what's
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Speaker 15: coming next. And we're going to wind in kind of
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Speaker 15: a stag fleation situation here where praisers keep going up,
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Speaker 15: they keep pumping money into the economy, seems to be
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Speaker 15: the current plan here, but people are just terrified about
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Speaker 15: what's coming next and they don't spend, so businesses will
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Speaker 15: want to being hurt and it'll be a vicious cycle.
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Speaker 15: I'm very concerned about this, and I think this just
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Speaker 15: does not auger well for where the economy is going.
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Speaker 2: So we're just talking there, Caroline, about businesses going to
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Speaker 2: the war and insolvencies. We're talking about businesses losing revenue,
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Speaker 2: spending being down. And we get a survey out today
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Speaker 2: with a whole lot of millennials and gen zters saying
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Speaker 2: we don't want to go back to the office. And
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Speaker 2: if you want to make us come back to the office,
21:43
Speaker 2: you're going to cover our cost of child care, our transport,
21:46
Speaker 2: and our parking. These are all the reasons, right down
21:50
Speaker 2: to what we have to wear in the office, is
21:52
Speaker 2: why they're reluctant to get back to work. So clearly
21:55
Speaker 2: they want to wear their pajamas there, they want a
21:57
Speaker 2: free buffet lunch, and they want the boss to take
21:59
Speaker 2: care of their kids. Honestly, what on earth do they
22:03
Speaker 2: think they've paid a salary for.
22:05
Speaker 13: I am embarrassed to admit, Peter that I actually fall
22:10
Speaker 13: within the category of millennials. Apparently I just scrape in,
22:13
Speaker 13: but that is by name only because I do not
22:15
Speaker 13: relate to any of this bludging or grifting that is
22:19
Speaker 13: going on here. I mean, the COVID lockdowns have so
22:22
Speaker 13: much to answer for here. These are all expenses that
22:26
Speaker 13: before the pandemic, we would never have dreamed of asking
22:30
Speaker 13: our employers to fork out for. And these are not
22:34
Speaker 13: reasonable work expenses. Our childcare is already largely subsidized by
22:39
Speaker 13: the government. In any case, transport to and from work,
22:43
Speaker 13: clothes if they're not a uniform. Any of us who
22:46
Speaker 13: have been working long before the pandemic, are well used
22:49
Speaker 13: to having to pay for these sorts of things. Look,
22:52
Speaker 13: I understand there are cost of living concerns that we
22:54
Speaker 13: are all feeling it, but so are small business owners.
22:57
Speaker 13: And if employees were to take on all these extra expenses,
23:00
Speaker 13: you can bat that there would be a whole lot
23:04
Speaker 13: fewer jobs going in the first place. So these people
23:06
Speaker 13: could well find themselves out of a job at all.
23:11
Speaker 2: I'm sure James and I are very happy to declaire
23:13
Speaker 2: we have nothing to do with that generation all beyond
23:17
Speaker 2: around Gen x's who just get on with it all right,
23:20
Speaker 2: I'll leave it there, thank you both for your time.
23:23
Speaker 7: We'll go back to Canbra to defense.
23:25
Speaker 2: We've had some pretty sobering assessments of Australia's defense capability
23:29
Speaker 2: and growing hostilities in our region coming out of a
23:32
Speaker 2: big defense summit in Canberra hosted by The Australian newspaper
23:36
Speaker 2: a number of high profile speakers, including defense experts, former
23:40
Speaker 2: and current political leaders, even a former Chinese spy. This
23:45
Speaker 2: is interesting. Let's get Greg Sheridan's assessment of it all.
23:48
Speaker 2: Foreign editor of course at The Australian. I made a
23:50
Speaker 2: mention top the show Greg about this spy he's worn
23:54
Speaker 2: the summit. There's some twelve hundred plus Chinese spies, including
23:58
Speaker 2: two hundred professional spies. Others are perhaps just informants in
24:02
Speaker 2: Australia collecting information, surveiling Chinese born Australians. I presume they
24:09
Speaker 2: are now or permanent residents living here. And just to
24:12
Speaker 2: drive the point home, the interpreter for this former spy
24:16
Speaker 2: who was meant to interpret his presentation before this group
24:19
Speaker 2: in Canberra, well, he quit just minutes before his appearance.
24:24
Speaker 2: This is the interpreter quitting because they were worried about
24:28
Speaker 2: the communist regime and some sort of payback.
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Speaker 7: Weren't they.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, that's right, Peter, so very revealing this. We've published
24:37
Speaker 16: this figure several times before at the Australian. Of about
24:40
Speaker 16: a thousand Chinese spies in Australia, twelve hundred sounds about right.
24:45
Speaker 16: And most of those, of course are not full time professionals,
24:52
Speaker 16: and their predominant role is to surveil and harass the
24:58
Speaker 16: Chinese diaspora, special the student community, especially the student community.
25:04
Speaker 16: And I think it has been a failure of Australian
25:07
Speaker 16: institutions and a failure of governments. On both sides of
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Speaker 16: the Aisle politically to allow this huge Chinese intelligence establishment
25:16
Speaker 16: to get established in Australia. I don't think our institutions
25:20
Speaker 16: or our governments have done enough to protect the Chinese
25:24
Speaker 16: diaspora from interference, manipulation and intimidation by the Chinese state.
25:29
Speaker 16: Now we know Chinese intelligence does all the traditional things
25:33
Speaker 16: that intelligence does. It spies and tries to steal our secrets.
25:37
Speaker 16: It it engages in political interference and tries to suborn
25:42
Speaker 16: people of political influence and so on. But I think
25:45
Speaker 16: this very large number of people is essentially about monitoring, manipulating,
25:50
Speaker 16: controlling and intimidating the diaspora. I have no idea at
25:55
Speaker 16: all why Western governments continue to allow such huge Chinese, Russia,
26:00
Speaker 16: and Iranian diplomatic establishments in their respective countries, far more
26:05
Speaker 16: diplomats than we have in those countries, and I can
26:08
Speaker 16: see no argument for.
26:09
Speaker 5: It at all.
26:09
Speaker 16: The Czech Republic fort in a brilliant policy a few
26:12
Speaker 16: years ago it said there can be as many Russian
26:14
Speaker 16: diplomats in Prague as there are Czech diplomats in Moscow,
26:19
Speaker 16: which resulted in about ninety percent of Russian diplomats going home.
26:25
Speaker 2: I have a bit of the same view about Chinese
26:27
Speaker 2: ownership of Australian property. When we can own over there
26:31
Speaker 2: what they want to own here. I don't mind a
26:34
Speaker 2: bit of reciprocity, but it's certainly not the cases it is. Now,
26:37
Speaker 2: let's go to what I said with some of those
26:39
Speaker 2: sobering assessments out of the summit. This comment from former
26:42
Speaker 2: Labor leader. Of course, former Hawk government Defense Minister Kim Beasley.
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Speaker 17: If we have a really detailed understanding of the character
26:50
Speaker 17: of our strategic situation and the capacity of our forces,
26:55
Speaker 17: we could not defend ourselves now without the Americans. When
26:59
Speaker 17: I was the Defense Minister against the likely threats in
27:04
Speaker 17: the region, absolutely we could defend ourselves now.
27:08
Speaker 7: No.
27:10
Speaker 2: Of course, he's a former US Australian Ambassador to the US,
27:13
Speaker 2: so his assessments about US capability and the ANAS treaty
27:19
Speaker 2: are pretty frank, aren't they Greek?
27:23
Speaker 5: Well, they sure are so.
27:24
Speaker 16: Kim Beasley is certainly the best defense minister that any
27:28
Speaker 16: Labor government has ever had in Australian history, and he's
27:30
Speaker 16: one of the best defense ministers altogether. A very fine man.
27:34
Speaker 16: He loves Australia, is a very loyal labor man and
27:37
Speaker 16: he doesn't say things to disoblige the government, but he
27:42
Speaker 16: is just the latest figure. Paul Dibb was another, but
27:44
Speaker 16: there are a thousand others to just blow to smithereens
27:47
Speaker 16: the happy talk coming out of this government about defense,
27:50
Speaker 16: And again Peter let me furnish my bipartisan credentials by
27:55
Speaker 16: saying that I think the decade of Coalition government was
27:57
Speaker 16: utterly catastrophic for Australian defense, with all the different submarines
28:02
Speaker 16: that came and went and never appeared. But what we've
28:05
Speaker 16: got now is a reduced defense capability from what we
28:09
Speaker 16: had even two years ago when Albanezi came into government.
28:13
Speaker 16: The government is not putting the money into defense it
28:17
Speaker 16: needs even to maintain existing capabilities. Now there's one slight
28:22
Speaker 16: savor in what Kim said. When he was Defense Minister.
28:25
Speaker 16: It was inconceivable to imagine an attack on Australia by China,
28:32
Speaker 16: whereas you could imagine that attack today. So when he
28:35
Speaker 16: says we could defend an invasion then, but we can't
28:38
Speaker 16: defend one now, he's talking about both our declining capability
28:43
Speaker 16: but also the increased threats. But in the face of
28:46
Speaker 16: increased threats, we are having declining capability and all this.
28:50
Speaker 16: You know, I support nuclear submarines. I love nucleus submarines.
28:54
Speaker 5: I want us to have them.
28:56
Speaker 16: But the idea that we're going to get three nuclear
28:58
Speaker 16: submarines in the twenty thirties fight more in the twenty
29:01
Speaker 16: forties or fifties, means that we don't have to do
29:04
Speaker 16: anything at all about defense in the next ten or
29:06
Speaker 16: fifteen years is completely crackers and it shows the Albanese
29:10
Speaker 16: government is not and I would say, just like its
29:13
Speaker 16: previous coalition predecessor in the previous decade, is simply not
29:17
Speaker 16: serious about defense.
29:21
Speaker 2: I want to say too, a lot to do with
29:22
Speaker 2: Beasley over sixteen years in camera. I share your admiration.
29:27
Speaker 2: I want to go before we go, Before you go,
29:29
Speaker 2: I want to move to some comments made by the
29:31
Speaker 2: Shadow Defense Minister Andrew Hasty. This was about this new
29:35
Speaker 2: Defense Joint Parliamentary Committee and his view that it's critical
29:39
Speaker 2: to maintaining by partisanship given the long long lead time
29:44
Speaker 2: around orcast.
29:46
Speaker 7: Here's a bit of what he had to say.
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Speaker 18: Something that many of us have lobbied for for many years.
29:50
Speaker 18: And I think this will be established by legislation. It
29:53
Speaker 18: will have secrecy revisions. It will look a lot like
29:56
Speaker 18: the Intelligence Committee, and the strength of the committee is
29:59
Speaker 18: that will be a training for future Minister for Defenses.
30:02
Speaker 18: It's Joint Defense Committee, but I think it's almost the
30:04
Speaker 18: Joint orcert Committee.
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Speaker 9: Now.
30:07
Speaker 2: I think it's a good idea, Gregor, I'll get your
30:08
Speaker 2: view in a moment. Provided they strike the legislation. And
30:13
Speaker 2: I was involved in the legislation under Defense Minister Robert
30:16
Speaker 2: Hill about the Intelligence Committee.
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Speaker 7: As long as they draft that.
30:19
Speaker 2: Legislation in a way that excludes the Greens, I think
30:24
Speaker 2: it's got promise.
30:25
Speaker 7: What do you think?
30:28
Speaker 16: Yeah, look, I think it's useful. Peter, I agree with
30:31
Speaker 16: you absolutely. It's got to be the parties of government,
30:33
Speaker 16: the Labor Party and the Coalition. You can't have Greens
30:36
Speaker 16: on an Intelligence committee. That that would be better not
30:39
Speaker 16: to have the committee, or on a Defense committee. Better
30:41
Speaker 16: not to have the committee at all if you're going
30:43
Speaker 16: to have Greens on it. But although I admire Andrew
30:47
Speaker 16: Hasty a great deal and think that it is important
30:50
Speaker 16: that we maintain by partisanship on Orcus, the problem with
30:53
Speaker 16: defense now is not a lack of bipartisanship. It's a
30:56
Speaker 16: lack of scrutiny and a lack of energy. Dennis Richardson
30:59
Speaker 16: at the Australian's Conference said, neither side of politics is
31:03
Speaker 16: being remotely honest with the people about what a proper
31:07
Speaker 16: defense force will cost, and they're kind of pretending that
31:12
Speaker 16: they can get Even the Liberals are just as bad
31:14
Speaker 16: as Labor on this. They're kind of pretending they can
31:16
Speaker 16: slide through on more or less the existing funding base,
31:20
Speaker 16: whereas they certainly can't. I am not so concerned that
31:24
Speaker 16: this committee provide by partisanship as I would hope that
31:29
Speaker 16: it provides real scrutiny. The other thing is it will
31:33
Speaker 16: be a good training ground for future defense ministers.
31:36
Speaker 5: That's true.
31:37
Speaker 16: But whereas the government has a grotesque ministerial structure, a
31:41
Speaker 16: part time Defense Minister who's also Deputy Prime Minister and
31:44
Speaker 16: a halftime junior minister as Defense Industry Minister, the Coalition,
31:49
Speaker 16: I think a bit weirdly, has also abolished the Defense
31:53
Speaker 16: Industry Minister and rolled that into Andrew Hasty's personal responsibility.
31:57
Speaker 5: Now he's well up to it.
31:58
Speaker 16: He's a very capable guy. But that means they're not
32:01
Speaker 16: training another shadow minister to go into that portfolio. So
32:06
Speaker 16: if they should get into government next time. Instead of
32:08
Speaker 16: having two cabinet ministers who are trained in the massive
32:13
Speaker 16: amount of information and ideas that you need to master
32:16
Speaker 16: in defense.
32:17
Speaker 5: They'll only have one.
32:18
Speaker 16: So even I think they're a little suboptimal in what
32:22
Speaker 16: they're doing. Having said all that, I think this committee
32:25
Speaker 16: is a good idea and it should go forward, but
32:27
Speaker 16: I think it's a reasonably marginal development.
32:32
Speaker 2: I do think you scrutin Your point's absolutely right. I
32:35
Speaker 2: wish we had some of the powerful committees you see
32:36
Speaker 2: in the United States in the defense area, but we'll
32:40
Speaker 2: be waiting for a long time there.
32:41
Speaker 7: Thanks Greg.
32:42
Speaker 2: All right after the break that claim by Andrew Giles
32:46
Speaker 2: about the ministerial direction and all the stuff in the
32:48
Speaker 2: Parliament today, very little of it stacks up liberal immigration shadow.
32:53
Speaker 7: Dantee up next.
32:54
Speaker 2: Plus how on earth is ob a plan I'm building
32:56
Speaker 2: over a million homes If they still haven't fixed the
33:00
Speaker 2: list about the critical trades, we need big revelations there.
33:04
Speaker 7: They are asleep at the wheel.
33:11
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the County. ABC finally responding to the
33:14
Speaker 2: extraordinary spray from Laura Tingle. I'll bring you the ABC's
33:18
Speaker 2: comments a little later on, but let's go back to
33:20
Speaker 2: Andrew Jarleskin. A day seems to go by where we
33:23
Speaker 2: don't learn more about his epic failure to keep Australian safe.
33:27
Speaker 2: The pressure was on him again in the Parliament today,
33:29
Speaker 2: but only because the House of Reps is one of
33:32
Speaker 2: the few places where the Minister can't hide and someone
33:36
Speaker 2: they're putting the pressure and trying to keep him at
33:39
Speaker 2: least honest. Shadow Minister for Immigration Victorian and Liberal Dante.
33:43
Speaker 7: And well, thank you for your time, Dan.
33:47
Speaker 2: You and the Coalition today have demanded that Giles resign.
33:51
Speaker 2: I make the point the peems hard to get a
33:53
Speaker 2: sack him because we now know that this direction ninety
33:56
Speaker 2: nine is actually an alban easy direction. It goes all
33:59
Speaker 2: the way the Prime Minister's office, on his desk, It
34:02
Speaker 2: comes out of his deal with Jainda r Dern. And
34:06
Speaker 2: we know that because the Immigration Department themselves have referred
34:09
Speaker 2: to the PM's joint press conference in the brief that
34:13
Speaker 2: went to Giles with this instrument to sign.
34:17
Speaker 7: So he owns this. The Prime Minister owns this as
34:21
Speaker 7: much as Giles doesn't.
34:22
Speaker 19: He absolutely he does, and he was warned at the
34:28
Speaker 19: time that this would have real consequences for the Australian
34:33
Speaker 19: safety or the safety of the Australian community. He chose
34:37
Speaker 19: to ignore those warnings and this is the consequence we
34:41
Speaker 19: now have. So the Prime Minister absolutely has a lot
34:46
Speaker 19: to answer for, but so does Minister Giles, because Minister
34:50
Speaker 19: Giles was the one who signed the directive. He signed
34:54
Speaker 19: Ministerial Direction ninety nine. He war gained it, he department
35:01
Speaker 19: wargamer to see what the consequences could would be and
35:05
Speaker 19: then after he'd signed it and it came into force,
35:08
Speaker 19: he closed his eyes, went to sleep and did nothing.
35:13
Speaker 19: He didn't put in a six month review. He didn't
35:16
Speaker 19: put in a twelve month review. He didn't ask for
35:19
Speaker 19: feedback as to whether he's changed his real change to
35:23
Speaker 19: make your ties to Australia a primary reason that the
35:28
Speaker 19: Administraive Appeals Tribunal had to take into account. He didn't
35:32
Speaker 19: ask his department to give him a six month or
35:34
Speaker 19: twelve month update as to how it was going. It
35:38
Speaker 19: is one of the greatest ministerial failures you could see.
35:42
Speaker 19: Yet the Prime Minister continues to hang on to him.
35:46
Speaker 19: And he's only doing it because he is a mate.
35:50
Speaker 19: He's only doing it because he is a factional ally
35:53
Speaker 19: and he's only doing it because he is weak. And
35:57
Speaker 19: I think the Australian community is starting to wake up
35:59
Speaker 19: to that.
36:01
Speaker 2: Oh look, I think they absolutely are, and you can
36:04
Speaker 2: hear it in the Labor talking points to you know,
36:06
Speaker 2: the opposition should be asking us about the economy, the
36:09
Speaker 2: opposition should be asking us about domestic violence. Why aren't
36:12
Speaker 2: they asking us about all these other important things. They
36:15
Speaker 2: are doing that because they are bleeding on this issue.
36:18
Speaker 2: They don't want the focus of the coalition of the
36:20
Speaker 2: opposition on this issue today and yesterday, which you.
36:23
Speaker 7: Know, my advice you would have heard that before, is
36:26
Speaker 7: keep it up. I mean, keep it up.
36:27
Speaker 2: Austrainings need to understand that they don't care about their
36:30
Speaker 2: safety at all.
36:31
Speaker 7: I mean we saw this direction.
36:33
Speaker 2: Sure, you talk about warnings, you talk about no due diligence,
36:36
Speaker 2: but you also pursue them pretty hard today about the
36:40
Speaker 2: fact that there's a lot of these criminals out there,
36:42
Speaker 2: and we've got some detail on that, but there's a
36:44
Speaker 2: lot of these criminals out there that don't even have
36:46
Speaker 2: the monitoring that was promised. They said Labour said for
36:51
Speaker 2: months that they would be kept under watch by the police.
36:54
Speaker 2: Or we've learned that there's two murderers out there could
36:57
Speaker 2: be as many as six. They are not being monit Tonight,
37:01
Speaker 2: there's twenty six sex offenders. They are no longer being monitored.
37:06
Speaker 2: I mean that's a big issue.
37:07
Speaker 5: Too, Dak, Absolutely it is.
37:11
Speaker 19: And Andrew Giles told the Federal Parliament that these people
37:17
Speaker 19: would be closely monitored. Now, what I'd love to hear
37:21
Speaker 19: from Andrew Giles if he would ever do a press conference,
37:25
Speaker 19: is the answer to this question. What is his version
37:29
Speaker 19: of closely monitored? Because I can tell you it's not
37:32
Speaker 19: the version that most Australians would expect. They would expect
37:37
Speaker 19: that someone would have to wear an ankle bracelet, they
37:40
Speaker 19: would expect that someone would have to have a nightly curfew.
37:45
Speaker 19: They would expect that someone would have to report to
37:48
Speaker 19: the police on a daily basis. Yet it would seem
37:52
Speaker 19: that Minister Giles and the Prime Minister are quite happy
37:56
Speaker 19: for closely monitoring to mean that once a fortnite you
38:00
Speaker 19: might have to ring the local police station.
38:04
Speaker 5: Now, when you've got.
38:05
Speaker 19: At least two murderers and at least twenty six sex offenders,
38:10
Speaker 19: including child sex offenders, who are being closely monitored by
38:15
Speaker 19: having to ring in once a fortnite. I think the
38:18
Speaker 19: Australian people would be absolutely alarmed at that definition of
38:23
Speaker 19: closely monitored. And Andrew Jolls should have to explain himself
38:27
Speaker 19: how he can think that that is being closely monitored.
38:33
Speaker 2: I might add too, for taxpayers at home, you were
38:35
Speaker 2: paying for them, you were housing them, you were giving
38:38
Speaker 2: them financial support, because that's all part of the deal
38:42
Speaker 2: that Labor's put on the table. The minister says today,
38:46
Speaker 2: you know, I think this is just because he's bleeding
38:48
Speaker 2: on the issue and he's under pressure from you blokes
38:51
Speaker 2: on the other side of the aisle. He says that
38:53
Speaker 2: he's going to remake this direction. Do you trust him
38:57
Speaker 2: to get it right?
39:00
Speaker 19: No, I don't trust him to get it right, and
39:04
Speaker 19: we will scrutinize it like we have every single thing
39:07
Speaker 19: that he has done. We're still waiting, for instance, those
39:11
Speaker 19: rush laws that came in that they put in the
39:14
Speaker 19: last Parliament, which we scrutinize and we're very concerned it
39:17
Speaker 19: was going to lead to the people smugglers.
39:20
Speaker 7: They do.
39:24
Speaker 5: Have produced them.
39:26
Speaker 12: No.
39:26
Speaker 19: Well, then there's the Preventative Detection Order which was rushed
39:29
Speaker 19: in before Christmas, which they haven't used, although Minister Giles
39:34
Speaker 19: from his office today in a media interview because he
39:37
Speaker 19: didn't want to walk the corridors of the press gallery
39:40
Speaker 19: here in Parliament House from his office today said that
39:44
Speaker 19: he is starting the process and I think there's five
39:47
Speaker 19: or six that he's now looking at once again moving
39:52
Speaker 19: at absolute snail's pace when it comes to keeping the
39:56
Speaker 19: Australian community. Say, there are so many things that this
40:00
Speaker 19: minister has done which he has botched. Why would we
40:04
Speaker 19: in any way trusting to get a revised Ministerial Direction
40:09
Speaker 19: ninety nine right? Because when he put this one in place,
40:13
Speaker 19: he put it in place and then forgot about it,
40:15
Speaker 19: went on started campaigning on the voice, doing all other
40:19
Speaker 19: things other than doing his main responsibility that he's there
40:24
Speaker 19: in trusted to do as Minister for Immigration, and that's
40:27
Speaker 19: keep the Australian community safe.
40:31
Speaker 7: And he's farthing it that.
40:32
Speaker 2: I'll leave it there, dwan teen, thank you keep it
40:34
Speaker 2: up after the break the ABC And that responds to
40:38
Speaker 2: the tingle comments we're.
40:39
Speaker 7: All racists austraight as a racist country. We'll get to that.
40:43
Speaker 2: Plus while we're at it, what about limiting welcomes to
40:46
Speaker 2: country to indigenous events only welcome back still to come,
40:55
Speaker 2: as always the wonderful kelt Richards on a Wednesday. But
40:59
Speaker 2: let's get into things with my panel, LPMP Keith Pitt
41:02
Speaker 2: and senior fellow at the Men'sies Research Center, Nick Cator,
41:05
Speaker 2: who joins us tonight from Berlin.
41:07
Speaker 7: Well, welcome to you both. Want to start with the ABC.
41:11
Speaker 2: Laura Tingle, there's been a final release, finally a released
41:15
Speaker 2: statement on the racist country remarks. It's interesting the ABC
41:19
Speaker 2: says that the discussion was more free flowing, that ABC
41:25
Speaker 2: analysis and extra context wasn't always possible. Says something there
41:29
Speaker 2: that claiming all the strains are racist, but that the
41:31
Speaker 2: country instead has an issue with racism.
41:34
Speaker 7: This comes from Laura Tingle.
41:36
Speaker 2: Now that's led, of course, the ABC News director to
41:38
Speaker 2: release his own statement that says Tingle's comments would not
41:42
Speaker 2: have met the broadcasters editorial standards. Nick, you've made a
41:48
Speaker 2: study for many years about the ABC and claims of bias.
41:53
Speaker 7: What do you make of this?
41:57
Speaker 14: I think what we've seen is inside Laura Tingle's head, Peter,
42:01
Speaker 14: and she's obviously somebody with deeply held political views that
42:05
Speaker 14: are strongly antagonistic to the curlistion, not just a little
42:09
Speaker 14: bit and strongly pro labor. I mean, she's made that
42:12
Speaker 14: abundantly clear, and I think that really disqualifies her for
42:15
Speaker 14: both her role as as a political commentator at the
42:18
Speaker 14: Financial Review, but very certainly at the ABC, which is
42:21
Speaker 14: taxpayer funded. I mean I always thought that the people
42:24
Speaker 14: that I admired growing up who covered politics were people
42:27
Speaker 14: like Paul Kelly, and they're like football commentators commentating for
42:32
Speaker 14: Collingwood versus Hawthorne, but you've no idea what team they
42:36
Speaker 14: barratt for. That's as it should be when you're covering
42:39
Speaker 14: politics and for the national broadcast. That fail on that
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Speaker 14: basic standard is appalling. I think tingles position is untenable,
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Speaker 14: but that doesn't mean to say she won't continue for
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Speaker 14: many years to come in the ABC. Of course.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't mind a commentator having a political opinion.
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Speaker 7: Now, of course I don't.
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Speaker 2: I'm a commentator and you can see where I sit
43:01
Speaker 2: on a lot of issues. But my concern is the
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Speaker 2: ABC is a very different beast. It has a charter
43:06
Speaker 2: and it's payful by the taxpayer that it's meant to
43:09
Speaker 2: guarantee it's independent, not necessarily that it has no politics,
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Speaker 2: but it has to be even handed.
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Speaker 7: It has to be.
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Speaker 2: Shrewd in its analysis and all those things, which at
43:19
Speaker 2: Tingle of course is not.
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Speaker 20: That's the problem, Keith, absolutely, Peter, and like you, I
43:26
Speaker 20: deal with a lot of people in the press gallery
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Speaker 20: and they overwhelming majority. I couldn' tell you they vote
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Speaker 20: for I've got no idea, And to be honest, I
43:31
Speaker 20: don't care as long as they have balanced views and
43:33
Speaker 20: they report on facts. But if the ABC staff collective
43:37
Speaker 20: want to run the ABC and set how it operates
43:40
Speaker 20: and what it says and who it backs and supports,
43:42
Speaker 20: well let's make them shareholders. Let's turn it into a cooperative.
43:46
Speaker 20: They can pay their own way, they can buy in,
43:47
Speaker 20: they can do whatever they like. But it is a
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Speaker 20: taxpayer funded organization. It has a charter that must be
43:53
Speaker 20: adhered to. And I think a line has been stepped
43:55
Speaker 20: over here and I think there does need to be
43:58
Speaker 20: a stronger response. What sounds strange, but I've got a
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Speaker 20: lot of time for Laura Tingo.
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Speaker 5: She's a tough interview.
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Speaker 20: But the reality here is when you are funded by
44:06
Speaker 20: the taxpayer, you have to be very very clear that
44:08
Speaker 20: you are unbiased. You base your decisions on facts, and
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Speaker 20: you put forward facts for people to make their own
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Speaker 20: decisions on and that's what the Australian people rely on.
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Speaker 2: Look, I'm fast to the view and I used to
44:19
Speaker 2: be the ABC advisor for Richard Alsten when he was
44:21
Speaker 2: the minister, and I was chief of staff to Kernan
44:23
Speaker 2: when she was the Communications Minister, so I have a
44:25
Speaker 2: long history here looking at the ABC. In policy terms
44:29
Speaker 2: for government, I think we're at the point a billion
44:31
Speaker 2: dollars per annum gets paid to them. Make them pay
44:34
Speaker 2: for you pay per view. If you're a taxpayer you
44:38
Speaker 2: want to watch them, put a coin in the top
44:40
Speaker 2: of your TV and away you go. If you're not
44:43
Speaker 2: as a tax payer, you don't want to watch them.
44:45
Speaker 2: You think they're biased. Like Laura Tingle, you don't have
44:48
Speaker 2: to pay for it either. Don't watch, don't pay, Hey Nick,
44:51
Speaker 2: welcome to countries. There was a story this week about
44:55
Speaker 2: someone who went for an interview in Brisbane. It was
44:57
Speaker 2: an insurance company. They fronted up for the interview and
45:01
Speaker 2: it opened not with the interviewer saying, gee, John, you've
45:04
Speaker 2: got a terrific CV. Give us a sense of your career,
45:07
Speaker 2: but they opened with a welcome to country.
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Speaker 7: Now.
45:11
Speaker 2: I think these ceremonies are becoming irrelevant. I think they're
45:15
Speaker 2: close to being ridiculed. I think they've got to go
45:18
Speaker 2: back to where they initially were when they were appearing
45:21
Speaker 2: in the public sort of square and indigenous events.
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Speaker 7: Only a lot of people have that view.
45:28
Speaker 14: What do you think, I agree, Peter. I mean they've
45:33
Speaker 14: become totally meaningless. And I've spoken to friends in the
45:37
Speaker 14: public service and in the corporate sector who say, well,
45:40
Speaker 14: it's just part of the routine. It's on the checklist.
45:42
Speaker 14: Any meeting at all, even a zoom gathering, you have
45:46
Speaker 14: to do this. It's just and if you don't, you're
45:48
Speaker 14: considered somehow, you know, unsympathetic to Aboriginal people. I think
45:52
Speaker 14: it's doing them a great diskservice. I've heard, you know,
45:55
Speaker 14: I've sent the price on this topic saying, you know,
45:57
Speaker 14: she's sick of being welcomed the country. She's secret being
46:01
Speaker 14: on it. She just wants people to get on and
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Speaker 14: fix fix issues. I think this craze has surely got
46:07
Speaker 14: to die out eventually. But you know, thank goodness, you
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Speaker 14: don't start with one, by the way, Peter, the day
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Speaker 14: you start with the welcome the country, I don fragments,
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Speaker 14: I'll know we're in trouble.
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Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever done one in my life,
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Speaker 2: and I won't be welcoming Australians to their own country.
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Speaker 2: Let me tell you that, hey, just quickly Keith revelation today,
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Speaker 2: Laby's supposed to have a skill set in all the
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Speaker 2: tradees that we can't skill up quickly enough to build
46:33
Speaker 2: all the.
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Speaker 7: Homes we need in Australia.
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Speaker 2: They're supposed to be on a fast track list held
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Speaker 2: by the Immigration Department. Of course, under Andrew Giles, we
46:41
Speaker 2: find out that none of them are on there. So
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Speaker 2: how are they going to build these one point two
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Speaker 2: million homes if we haven't got the trades?
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Speaker 5: Well, easy, they won't.
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Speaker 20: I will never deliver the target. We don't have the people,
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Speaker 20: and you have some nine hundred thousand additional immigrants into
46:58
Speaker 20: the country.
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Speaker 5: There's just no way to do this.
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Speaker 20: And the skills lister is I know, you know, Peter,
47:04
Speaker 20: people used to fight to get their trades onto the
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Speaker 20: skills list to try and help the businesses where the
47:08
Speaker 20: shortfalls work because it actually mattered. It meant you had
47:11
Speaker 20: did potentially garner some of the skills that you need.
47:14
Speaker 20: But you are not building all of these houses in
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Speaker 20: this country with the available skills that we have now
47:19
Speaker 20: and once again, Minister Giles, time for him to go.
47:24
Speaker 7: All right, I leave it their quick break. Nick.
47:26
Speaker 2: We'll catch up with you about your European energy sojourn
47:31
Speaker 2: next week after the break. Kel Richards, see Keith too.
47:34
Speaker 2: We'll see you next week as well, after break, kel Richards,
47:42
Speaker 2: without delay, let's bring him in, my good friend Wordsmith
47:46
Speaker 2: broadcaster kel Richards.
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Speaker 7: We've got an interesting one.
47:50
Speaker 2: I've put this off the list you give me in
47:52
Speaker 2: the morning on the list for tonight because I sort
47:55
Speaker 2: of wanted to get an understanding of it myself. Lynn,
47:58
Speaker 2: one of our writers, says, as a mathematics professor, she says,
48:02
Speaker 2: I'm frustrated with the misuse of the term amount by
48:06
Speaker 2: journalists and others.
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Speaker 7: Can you comment on this please?
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Speaker 21: I think we can clear it up, and you're quite right.
48:13
Speaker 21: Amount is misused. Amount is a mass noun, but you
48:17
Speaker 21: only use it when it's looking at some mass that
48:20
Speaker 21: cannot be counted. If it can be counted, never use
48:23
Speaker 21: amount so you can talk about the amount of water
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Speaker 21: in the glass because you can't count that, but never
48:28
Speaker 21: talk about the amount of people in the stadium because
48:31
Speaker 21: you could count them. It's got to be the number
48:33
Speaker 21: of people in the stadium. So it's a mass noun
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Speaker 21: for a mass only when it can't be counted. And yes, yes,
48:41
Speaker 21: people do get it wrong.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, they do when they get fewer and less wrong.
48:49
Speaker 2: We'll get to that another day. Hey, David wants to
48:52
Speaker 2: know what's the origins of chip on the shoulder?
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Speaker 5: Oh, it started off as been quite literal.
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Speaker 21: Nowadays we talk about someone with ship on the shoulders
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Speaker 21: being someone who's a bit resentful, who bearing a grudge.
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Speaker 21: But originally it meant being belligerent and aggressive. It started
49:07
Speaker 21: off in the mid eighteen hundreds as American schoolboy slang,
49:10
Speaker 21: and I am told that what used to happen was
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Speaker 21: a schoolboy looking for a fight would put a literal
49:17
Speaker 21: wooden chip on his shoulder and then challenge them someone
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Speaker 21: to knock it off, and he got his fight.
49:22
Speaker 5: So it was actually a literal chip on the shoulder
49:25
Speaker 5: to begin with.
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Speaker 2: Now I'm with Sue on this one, she says, increasingly
49:31
Speaker 2: I seem to hear commentators using the expression abdicating their
49:35
Speaker 2: duties with respect to politicians.
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Speaker 7: She says, isn't the more correct word abrogating.
49:41
Speaker 5: Yes, she is exactly right. Just a bit of background.
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Speaker 21: Abrogate came into English in the fifteen hundreds and originally
49:48
Speaker 21: meant repealing a law. Only in the twentieth century did
49:51
Speaker 21: it mean neglecting a duty, neglecting a responsibility. So we
49:56
Speaker 21: could say, you know, Andrew Giles abrocated his duty to
49:59
Speaker 21: the you keep this on the people safe. Abrogate abdicates different.
50:03
Speaker 21: It means quitting your position. So if people say abdicate,
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Speaker 21: they're just suffering from a poor vocabulary.
50:09
Speaker 5: Let's be honest.
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Speaker 2: I will see you in a couple of weeks time.
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Speaker 2: I'm off on leave, Thank you very much.
50:17
Speaker 7: Kel.
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Speaker 2: I'm doing something with a bit of a military flavor.
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Speaker 2: I want to tell my viewers a military history flavor.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you all about it when i'm back, and
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Speaker 2: you'll have the wonderful Steve Price in the chair, all right.
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Speaker 7: Up next, the Bolk Report.