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#386 - For Azeroth!: “Statistics and Stars" · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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Give me fun and I will engage with that.
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Leave me busy work and I will find a way to circumvent that by
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doing trap cheese or like only going as far as the highest
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reward and then checking out. Victory for the Forsaken.
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For Lauderon. For the Karen tour for.
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Pandaria. For calendar.
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To. The burning region.
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For Gilnaeus, but has not died for the Lich King.
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For the. Sindori for the Alliance, for
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the Horde, for Azeroth Hello and welcome back to another episode
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of For Azeroth. I am your host, the true
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villain, Manny, and we are back to the complete trifecta of the
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Triumphant First from Heart's Unknown, 'cause I can't even
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remember what states I've done. We have Lex Rans.
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Hello Lex, how are you? And I'm sorry that bit is now
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officially over. People can tell us how.
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Well, it was we, we were gonna start hitting walls and I, I do
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think it's very funny that I think we got to none of the
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states that I've lived in the entire time.
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So I which frankly, I kind of doxed myself a little 'cause you
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could process of elimination it down.
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But I'm doing good, Manny. I have been out and about
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traveling the world with my with my lovely family.
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So, you know, not as much World of Warcraft, although I mean,
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have you read the news? We ball, we ball.
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I'm back and I'm ready to go. OK, I kind of want to ask about
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that so. The news.
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No you coming back and how ready to go can you be?
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You've been away for like 2 weeks ish.
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When you came back like with the stuff that had been released
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with like your Guild progressing, how much did it
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feel like you were really behind?
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How easy was it for you to catch up?
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So that's a funny question, Manny, because the real answer
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to that question is every single night I've thought to myself, do
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I want to try to sleep off jet lag or do I want to play World
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of Warcraft? And most nights I've decided to
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sleep off jet lag. And I haven't had jet lag for
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like, so I'm pretty far behind to be completely honest.
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And honestly, my team is the like half the officer team is
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going to be out for the next couple weeks.
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So we're going to have one more night of progression and then
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we're going to take a little bit of a brief rating break so we
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can get everyone back and then we're going to start hitting
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progression again. I have been struggling a bit
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with motivation, which is funny because when I started the
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season I was really, really excited about everything.
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And I do feel a little bit like I've capped what I can get doing
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the content I want to do and I really like.
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I know I need to get into mythic plots, I know I need to start
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pushing there, but I'm having like going on and pugging as
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ADPS just sounds like such a little nightmare.
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And all of my friends go to bed like, you know, two hours.
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Or like I I go to bed 2 hours out before they log on.
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So I have been having a little bit of a rough time driving
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myself to get on and play and I could be making this up.
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To be fair, I do tend to be a little bit of a raid logger
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relatively soon. I feel like I've been feeling
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more of that with other people recently.
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Like I, I, I feel like for this point in the season, I'm, I'm
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seeing potentially a little bit more burnout just in the circles
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I'm running with that I'm used to.
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So I don't know if it's the cadence of the expansion.
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I don't know if it's the content.
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I don't, I don't know if I'm making it up, but it, it, it's
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funny because I really adored midnight going into it.
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I was having so much fun and I am like, I to some degree, I
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think I apologize, need to get myself back on the horse, right?
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But I'm hitting the wall of like, all this really cool
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content is no longer really giving me anything.
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And so it doesn't feel as good to do and not finding myself as
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motivated to like, go do my cute little praise and stuff as
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usual. So yeah, but to answer your
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question Manny, I will have a very good excuse for being
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bottom of the DPS meters for a hot sack.
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I mean, you've got two weeks to sort of make up that gap, so
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perhaps it won't matter when you get back to progress.
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That's interesting. Would love to go into that more.
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But before we do anything, we have to bring in the third part
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of the triumphant. We have, of course, the
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wonderful, the terrific, the sensational.
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Sean. Hello, Sean.
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How are you and how's the World of Warcraft been treating you?
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Hey Manny, I'm doing good. Warcraft's been great.
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I was also away. I didn't go on the same cruise
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that Lex went on. I did my bird watching from
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land. But I I went to LFG London 2026.
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My third time going. I was operating the stream
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production. This time I won't say that I ran
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the production because I did not build the production and did not
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test the production and we had some issues with the production
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that would not we would not have had had I done either of those
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things. But it was a lot of fun.
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I get to hangover some folks. I get to meet Taliassin and
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Evitel, which was cool. I get to meet Preach, which was
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pretty cool. And more important, I get to
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hang out with all of my friends. The group from Fates were
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Forged, Dan, Mr. GM, all kinds of people just really enjoy
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myself to meet or not that she probably doesn't listen to this
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show, but if she does, she was lovely to see again.
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Yes, that was a lot of fun. Then I came home.
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We moved our raid days because I was gone.
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We normally rate Thursday Sunday but I was gone Thursday to
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Monday so we rated Tuesday. That's some good Bellerin
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Prague. I think we talked about that on
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Wednesday before I left last episode and then came home
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Monday just knackered. That's a word I picked up in
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London from the flight and we jumped right into Bellerin
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Monday night and we got the kill.
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So it was lucky for me. I did spend some time at LFG.
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Nate was there, Nate, former Tank from BDGG, formerly from
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Method and currently of this is fine.
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World rank 67 on A2 on a on a 2 day a week schedule.
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They only rate Saturday, Sunday and they got world rank 67.
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It's pretty impressive. Relax.
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Pretty impressive. Just drop.
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I'm just saying just drop 2 ranks man.
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Oh, so it could be 69. I get it.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Anyway, spent some time talking to him.
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He gave me some tips and some pointers and then we came home.
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We just smashed the bird and now we're on Lura Hall of Fame is
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technically still open. I think there's 100 and 91192
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kills as of this recording. It'll close Tuesday.
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That they it will for sure get the 200 needed before the end of
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this week and will likely close on Tuesday, which hopefully
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means nerves for our true Prague start.
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We are going to be rating tomorrow and Sunday 2 full days
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in, in what I assume is a premier of state.
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But hopefully we see some Hall of Fame close and see some
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nerves on Tuesday. I'm not one of those people.
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There's you, you just notice that there's some people who
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like get really, really horny to they're like, I want to fight
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the boss in the raid state. I want to, I want to fight them
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when they're the hardest as they could possibly be.
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I don't want to fight any nerves bosses.
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I'm I'm not one of those people. I have 0 desire to fight a boss
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that I have no shot of killing. Like yeah no thanks.
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So I'm I'm ready for whatever nerves they bring.
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Let's let's get them so we can get our kill and move on with
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the rest of our season. I have been one of those people
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that has killed a boss after like directly after he got
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nerfed and felt disappointed because I would have liked to
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have least tested myself against the unnerved version.
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And there are times where it like could rightly have done it.
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There are times where I'm really just having a better impression
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of myself than I have any right to have.
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But either way, the questions just left up there.
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We had said a couple of episodes back that maybe they should do
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tuning that is there for the entirety of the Hall of Fame.
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And who cares if it gets like killed super quickly by half the
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guilds and then it finally fills out.
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And that kind of goes back to that question like is this
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progressive tuning good for some guilds, bad for other guilds?
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Are you the Guild that is on the wrong side of the nerf and
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therefore feel bad when it gets weaker and hey, one more week
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and we would have gotten it? Are you the on the other side
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and still on the bad side where it's like this boss is
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impossible to prog until that was nerves come in.
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So there's always going to be that question.
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I think that there's many different ways of looking at it
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for sure. I think if you and your team
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were good enough to kill a boss pre nerf you would have.
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Not you specifically, you, no. No, I mean like the general you,
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I do think that some teams have learning curves and they might
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reach a boss just in a point where no, no learning curve is
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going to let them get to it within the time left.
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But yes, it could have gone. So this is definitely one of
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those times where I'm going to be like so much nuance that at
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your take. Sorry guys.
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Yeah, I don't forgive you. Yeah, I mean, you could factor
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in, you can factor in raid days ago.
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Well, we only raid two days a week, so that's why we didn't
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get it post nerf, pre nerf, that kind of thing.
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But I mean, it all comes down to if if you were a team that was
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going to get it, you would raid more days a week.
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I, I just, yeah, I'm, I, I. I, I don't, I don't think so
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like personal circumstances or personal circumstances.
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I'm sure that you are right about a number of groups.
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What that what that looks like is some Venn diagram that I'm
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not personally going to invest time into.
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No, but listen, nobody's going to leave comments for us to read
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if I don't say something incendiary.
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Yeah. I've already covered our our
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bird watchers and our antivirus enjoyers.
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Now it's time. Now it's time for the the no
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nerf bird. I don't believe that's how you
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pronounce that virus name, but that's all right.
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It's a new virus. We'll figure it out.
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Is that not how it's pronounced? Yeah, I did rating this week.
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One of my teams completed it. It was really sad because we
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felt bad about not completing it last week.
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We're like 01 more pool. We'll have done it and we walked
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in this week and one shot it. Nice.
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So maybe we should have done that one last pool just to say
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that we had done it a week, a week prior.
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And I guess that technique is within this week because we
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completed that on Monday before the reset.
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So blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Which is good means that now I
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get to take a step back from five straight hours of rating
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two nights a week and cut that down to 2 1/2 hours of rating
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two nights a week. And that should help a bit, but
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we have a lot of power that is coming our way with this week's
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reset because they have now introduced the Ascendant Void
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course. So Sean, this is the power
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boost, the turbo boost like edition that we were promised.
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How is it working out on servers?
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Because I'm going to be flat honest.
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I have not logged into Wow since I killed the boss on Monday.
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I was like time for me to take a step back so I don't completely
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burn out. So how is this working on
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servers? As of now it is.
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You log in, you get your you get another weekly quest to collect
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3 tokens for the ascendant nil hammer.
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You give those and you get those from doing bountiful delves,
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mythic plus raid, you know that kind of stuff.
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You give those to his name is Decimus, and then you get
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another that unlocks the quest to gather the actual item that
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you need to gather to get. You get your upgrades and it
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requires five of those in order to get a single upgrade.
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So because if you're a 2 handed user, congratulations, you only
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need to get 15. You have to collect 15 of these
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items to upgrade your two trinkets and your weapon.
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You're a sword and shield or sword and offhand or one one
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hand offhand or dual wielder. You need to collect 20 and these
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drop now at 100% rate from mythic plus and and above.
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Is there anything below 10 though?
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Mythic plus 10 and above, Bountiful tier 11 delves and all
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raid bosses. Those are 100% drop rate, and
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it's a high drop rate from tier 5 ritual sites.
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I think it might be, yeah, I don't think it's 100%, but it's
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a high drop rate from tier 5 ritual sites.
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And then they have lowered the drop rate because prior to like
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an hour ago, these were a chance to drop in all content and the
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best way to get them was to spam Tier 1 ritual sites.
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You can complete those in about two to three minutes and then
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your mileage will vary on on the RNG of the drop rate.
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Also, I think Warcraft players are exceptionally bad at
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statistics and I just don't think they know how they work
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because I was seeing people who, and my Guild mentions this as
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well, seeing people who were like, oh, the drop rate of this
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is extremely low. I haven't gotten one in 20 runs
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and other people saying no, it's extremely high.
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I got eight in ten runs and it's like, guys, it's RNG and those
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are extremely small sample sizes and dear God, please.
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And there were like there were people who they were, they would
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get a bunch running them and then they wouldn't get any for a
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few in a row. And they're like guys, they
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nerved ritual sites. They stealth nerfed ritual
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sites. I haven't got like that's
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literally how RNG works. I don't anyway they're 100% now,
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but they lowered the drop rate in in Tier 1 ritual sites to go
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out there get these items. It's just get it and then attach
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it to your weapon and your trinkets and it bumps them up to
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298 and enjoy your power spike mid season.
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It's when it was a random chance in every content.
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I think it was kind of awful. But now that it's guaranteed
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from specific content I think it's a it's a fine bump.
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You were probably going to do, you know, 15 dungeons this week
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anyway on one character and if you weren't you would have like
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clearing the raid once that's 9. You get 9 from clearing the
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raid. So if you're doing LFR, normal,
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heroic, any of those clears. I don't know.
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I assume people are still clearing at this point this
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season. I don't actually know.
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I did. We did unfortunately.
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We did our clear on Tuesday. LFR doesn't drop it, it's heroic
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and mythic raid and mythic 10 and above.
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LFR has a chance to drop it. That's it.
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It's just not guaranteed. Yeah, they definitely did they.
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Were oh OK, they they just hot fixed to make it OK I'm sorry
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I'm. Yeah, it's just not one of the
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100% one. This time I will say I was just
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complaining about how I felt like the content that I like to
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do was useless and this immediately makes the delves and
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prey very useful. So it didn't.
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Come back, I'm super fired up. We're gonna put number and they
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also like stealth bumped nightmare prey.
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Did you or prey in general? Did you?
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I don't know if that's in our notes.
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I'll mention it Now they stealth.
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There are stealth buffed, buffed nerfed.
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I don't know what direction this is for prey.
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They made prey easier. You now they didn't fix
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crabstone spawn again like they used to, but now you get more
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points for completing a world quest, completing a a fight, the
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guy thing or completing one of those little orbs.
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You click and you'd no longer lose progress if you die on
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Heroic Nightmare. What?
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Yeah. Wow.
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I mean, that's a lot of people who were really, well, I think
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this is what Lex is about to say.
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The the reset on deaths was something that was pushing
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people out of nightmare mode. Is this something that will push
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you back into nightmare mode? I OK, I mean, I was doing
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nightmare mode anyway. I had learned how to be careful,
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but like early on in the praise system, I like legitimately
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almost cried multiple times because I would be almost there,
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like almost there and then like 1 like something would go off.
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This is back when I was still trying to figure out how to like
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manage the little dude flying at me that I had to interrupt and
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like the guy was killing me and I had to start over and I was
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like, this is the and I'd already done the world quest.
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I've done everything that could make it quick.
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It was terrible. That is although like, OK, OK,
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baby Lex who had just done this for the first time, that would
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have been a game changer. Have now that I've kind of
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learned how to balance everything.
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My a little part of me is like, I mean, like, what's the
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challenge? Right?
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They who cares? Whatever, I'll just run into the
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guy if I want to. Although I I I do the one that
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really I think they needed to to figure out is this stupid kill
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for me thing, because that can trigger when there is literally
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nothing you can kill around. And I'm like, all right, kill
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me. That I guess I don't know what
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to tell you, man, but that those are those are those are very big
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and it will make nightmare, if nothing else, very easy because
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it was also feeling a little bit like I go do the entire world
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Crest and I get like maybe a tiny bump like all right, sick,
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whatever. I guess I want to play forever.
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Yeah, yeah, they fixed all that. Use my potion.
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Yeah, use your health potions. I would and it would not be
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enough. It could get me from like 100
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down to 0 even like and a little bit.
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It was terrible. Yeah, like when you're get close
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to like 0, that's when you use a pelt motion.
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It does. Like I, I, I don't.
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And it kills me anyway. Maybe some of us have bad.
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Gear, literally fight anything and use your Leech that you have
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innately as a Demon Hunter to keep yourself alive.
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Hey, Sean, if I could fight anything, do you think?
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That you would have killed me. Well.
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Where was this? Where are you at?
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Where there's no enemies around Lex.
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In the Great Sea, but still within the area to trigger it.
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Because if you're in the air, it doesn't go.
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Talk to you as it there's one little chest that like like at
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the very bottom of this stupid pit.
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It's almost impossible to get out of this stupid pit.
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Go find this one stupid little like thing to get out.
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You're sort of stuck trying to figure out how to get out.
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And then all of a sudden you went to get the stupid chest.
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You went to get the chest because chest are good for prey.
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They help in prey. And then you're like, I'm going
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to get the chest and it's going to make it beneficial.
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And you're almost there, right? You're just like you're at the
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like nearly revealed. You're so excited.
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You're almost done with the stupid thing and then all of a
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sudden someone decides it's time to kill something and there's
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nothing to kill. There's nothing to kill because
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you're in the pit of death. You're in the pit of nothing.
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There's not a single enemy to get and you can't get up because
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it's almost impossible. It's not once I launch.
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Too bad you can only loot that chest when you have an active
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prey, and you can't do it after the prey has been finished.
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The chest. The point of looting the chest.
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It's. Worse, because looting chests
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give you prey you. Know what's worse?
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Sean Lex is on the only class that can spawn something to kill
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with. Like that Feed the demon thing
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where you spawn a demon for the buck?
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That's still exists. That's gone.
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Isn't. It I think it's you know what?
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I I. Don't.
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There's no way they still have to feed the demon.
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I I'm, I don't know. You know what I don't know?
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I think he's still around. I for sure don't know about it,
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but that really does not speak to anything about whether or not
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it exists. Really.
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Yeah, yeah. Can you?
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Another walk the D buff to give yourself 3 seconds of immunity
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I. Don't know, Sean.
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That's a really good point. I don't know that's not, but
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yeah. That's OK D Demon Hunter talk,
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I'm sure. I would actually love to hear
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from like demon hunters. Maybe we can give Lex some help
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so she doesn't have to give up on this like very very precious
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chest each week that gets her killed.
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I'd love I'd love to hear little tips and tricks.
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I have my Demon Hunter that's like level 82 that I'm going to
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like probably run around and start getting up to in 90.
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So I wouldn't mind some tips either.
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So Demon Hunter's out there. Let us know.
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Let us know what the hell we could do with prey.
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Mini tip #1 this is not about prey, but this is about Demon
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Hunter. So you're going to want to get
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an inertia build and you're going to want to keep that on in
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Mythic Plus. And your tank is going to say
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why do you keep butt pulling everything?
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And you're going to say because I know how to play havoc Demon
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Hunter you idiot. So say that you don't love you.
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I'm not a I, I think I'm going to go with Sean on the vengeance
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trip here Plus like Mythic Plus is like when I hit 90.
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I'm trying to get to 90. I just need some general tips.
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Oh yeah. So the general tip is you got an
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inertia build and then you back OK the other egg like.
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Just it's. Demon Hunter is so well made.
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I love Havoc so much because you just, you backflip out and
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nevermind. I'm not going to say a very
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boring thing, but it's very exciting.
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I think you're going to have fun, Manny.
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I think the Demon Hunter is very fun.
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I think you should have an inertia build though.
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I think anyone who doesn't have an inertia is a coward and I'll
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say that with my test. If you're not butt pulling in
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mythic Plus, why are you playing Demon Hunter?
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Maybe they're like remembering what's behind them and turning
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the we. Exist, Manny, We exist to make
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tanks do their job and clear the whole damn room.
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And if you say that's not a tank's job in Mythic Plus,
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you're not playing with a Demon Hunter, you're playing with a
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Demon Hunter. They don't butt pull.
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Anyways, we're gonna move on though.
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I I think that the cords are great because they're not locked
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to like one per week or something like that.
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The fact that you can like, if you want to take the time, just
22:57
grind it out. If you for some reason feel your
23:01
average is doing 15 dungeons in a week per character, then the I
23:05
guess this automatically happens.
23:07
I mean yeah, but between dungeons, so even it like yeah,
23:11
between dungeons and raids, though most people are if you're
23:13
I say most people if you're not different, I don't if you I
23:18
would fill my vault every week. So that's 8 + 10 or higher that
23:23
I would do on each character just from that.
23:25
And then it's only 7 bosses. So not even a full clear of the
23:28
raid. You can just do everything.
23:30
All the easy ones, Skip the two hard ones.
23:33
Yeah, Ballad Bar and the Dragons.
23:36
I, I'm not sure if you were you have been listening to the extra
23:39
episodes, but I just flat out told Larry I'm just like
23:43
average. Means nothing on this show.
23:46
Average means nothing. You mean everybody's not average
23:49
filling their vault with eight plus 10s or better every week.
23:52
That's that's the norm, right? That's what do you.
23:55
Mean we all, we all have our own little circles and our own
23:58
little play patterns and it's great.
24:00
I'm getting kicked out of mythic philosophy because I'm an
24:02
Archibald and I'm butt plugged the entire group, in case you're
24:04
wondering why I don't feel that. But that's the average for the
24:08
average. OK, But these are just for
24:14
weapons and trinkets, as Sean said.
24:16
So that's why it is the the 20 and it's a great little push so
24:22
that you'll have like I believe it goes up to 298 once you have
24:27
the sorry. If it's a mythic.
24:30
It has to be a six out of six heroic or 6 out of 6 mythic.
24:35
The six out of six mythic will be bumped to 298, right?
24:39
If you want to use it on a heroic item because that's the
24:43
item you're getting, it will also bump that up several levels
24:47
as well. I don't.
24:48
Recall there's no reason not to like if you're like, oh man, I
24:51
don't want to waste this because I might get the mythic version.
24:54
You can just fire them more. So send that on your heroic
24:57
trinket, get the power gain, and then just go fire them some more
24:59
and. It'll make it easier to fire
25:01
more because you've threatened the other weapon.
25:03
Yeah, we're. Going to be swimming in these by
25:06
the end of the season because they're still like three months
25:09
left of the season. So every dungeon you do, every
25:14
raid bus you kill is going to drop one of these and they only
25:17
work on weapons at trinkets. You know what I am really
25:21
worried about? The bag space.
25:24
Yeah, they're not going to be able to be deleted.
25:27
They're going to be like the other stuff.
25:29
And then it's just going to be like, I guess I'm putting these
25:32
in the bottom tab of my bank to never think about again even
25:38
after Blizzard hot fixes them to actually be able to be
25:41
Vanderable or something. Yeah, this is what I'd put in my
25:43
void storage if I still had it it.
25:47
Can go right next to your cloak. You're, you know.
25:51
Which cloak Lex? I'm going to need to be more
25:53
specific the. The Nasalt Cloak.
25:57
The Battlefield trap cloak. Which is also beside my Reshi
26:00
wrap cloak. I still have a.
26:04
And my Ratheon cloak from Maha. Damn, they really do not want to
26:09
have seasons where you get cloaks.
26:16
I still have my denier from like season 2 or something that I
26:21
just never ended up spending and I can't get rid of it so I'm
26:26
annoyed by this but it's the smallest inconvenience.
26:29
Overall, I'm really glad that this is not further negated and
26:34
that we can just get that power bump and push push forward.
26:37
So next thing you need to worry about isn't coming until 12
26:40
point 0.7. Go and refer back to episode 383
26:44
if you want Sean and I to give our impressions on that.
26:49
For a super in depth upbeat impression, that's how you
26:52
should sell that episode. Manny No, no, that that I I will
26:56
definitely say that that was one of our most negative episodes
26:59
that we've had on this show. Yeah, bar the bar was definitely
27:05
set there. But I do think that that was a
27:11
product partly a product of like one, it's exactly what I've been
27:15
fearing it would be. Well, mostly what I was fearing
27:18
it would be. And two, we are now so deep into
27:22
this eight week cadence and now everybody is saying is Blizzard
27:27
putting out too too much content, specifically too much
27:31
casual content is what one article put out.
27:34
And I kind of want to talk about this as maybe the topic to end
27:40
this show. I would say that there's a lot
27:46
of stuff coming out. It's coming out at a pretty good
27:49
pace, but the problem isn't that it's too much.
27:53
It's that none of it feels worth worthy half the time.
28:02
Like they're very, it's very shallow systems.
28:05
It's very, you're going to forget about this in X amount of
28:08
weeks unless you feel like you have to go back to get whatever
28:14
prizes they've locked behind it. It's almost like going to one of
28:18
those cheap carnivals and it's like, here's all the games and
28:21
you're like, I don't feel like playing like any of these.
28:23
And then maybe you look at something like, Oh, I want to
28:25
get that transmog shield. I want to get that like mount.
28:30
And so you're like, I guess I'll whack A mole until I can get
28:33
enough coins and so forth. What are you?
28:38
What are your take on the content cadence, the content
28:43
that we've been getting at this cadence in midnight?
28:48
Let's start with you Lex, because you've been away 2 weeks
28:52
and I'd love to hear from you again.
28:54
Oh yeah, I think, I mean, I, I'm well on record saying I think
28:57
it's, it's coming too fast. And also that I do think I, I
29:00
was really confused with the .5 because it was a ton of filler.
29:05
They gave us all sorts of like actual urgent stuff to do, but
29:10
only in my like without a ton of depth to the urgent stuff that
29:14
would actually gear you and get you the, you know, stuff you
29:16
need. And then they were like, also,
29:18
in case, you know, you're bored, despite the fact that it's only
29:21
been a few weeks and you know, we have a a ton left to do.
29:25
And we also gave you some urgent hearing.
29:27
Do you want to just screw around for a few hours?
29:30
And it, it felt unfocused. It it felt like something though
29:37
I would have really loved and enjoyed like a a lot of the
29:41
content that was put out in the .5 would have been incredible in
29:47
a like season 4 right? If if we'd gotten a season 4 and
29:51
had decor duel, people would have been over the mood.
29:54
If I still don't fully understand the angler thing, but
29:56
like probably also I'd something I would have tried out if it was
29:58
a season 4, right? That is the I don't know to give
30:02
you guys right now. We don't really have the time
30:05
and energy to put into real content because we're building
30:08
you something really cool and exciting.
30:10
So here's the fun thing, right? Here's the little dinky thing
30:12
and you and your raid are going to go play around and ha ha, ha,
30:15
look, I'm a table and you're going to have so much fun at a
30:20
.5. It doesn't make sense and it
30:22
also doesn't it it it didn't make sense to me either because
30:27
it felt like I who who I again, I OK, I love the chord duel.
30:35
I I I enjoyed playing it while we were playing it, but also
30:37
like it didn't feel like it was like it won't.
30:39
It didn't feel like people were like Blizzard.
30:40
We don't have enough screw around activities in this game.
30:43
You know what I'm saying? So I am personally not super
30:50
happy with the cadence. I think it's too fast.
30:53
I think they're putting I think they're biting off way more than
30:55
they can chew pretty consistently.
30:57
Have I have. I even mean about the like
31:00
things you get at the end of the raid in housing.
31:02
I feel like they Yeah, OK, I've already been.
31:05
Mean about that because they are very low, low effort.
31:08
Right. And it just feels like one of
31:11
the consistencies with Midnight is that they have all of these
31:14
amazing, fun ideas that would be really, really cool.
31:17
And for some reason they're acting like they have, you know,
31:21
three months to put out the entire video game.
31:23
And so they're trying to shove everything in instead of like,
31:25
Oh yeah, it would be cool to do to core dual.
31:28
Let's do that, you know, in a few months.
31:31
Oh, we have this really fun idea of putting in trophies at the
31:35
end of raid, but we're trying to put out so much housing decor
31:39
that we like nobody can really sit and like, build it out.
31:42
What if that was, you know, a Titan thing that's going to be,
31:45
you know, that'll make housing feel like a continuous thing
31:47
instead of saying we, you know, put all of our resource into
31:49
midnight. I, yeah, I think that's, I, I, I
31:55
feel like they feel like anything they come up with, they
31:57
just have to immediately throw out and they have to immediately
31:59
give it to us and put it on the timeline, figure it out and just
32:01
shove it at us. And it's just too much.
32:04
And it's, it's in my opinion, very clear that people are
32:06
getting overworked and can't like things are just not being
32:10
put out of the quality or the timing or with the like strategy
32:14
that I would expect. And I think that that's not like
32:16
a hot take. I don't.
32:17
I have any. I'm not of the opinion that I'm
32:19
the first person who's come up with that idea, but that is my
32:22
biggest concern with Midnight. OK, John, what's your take?
32:30
I it's weird, I was talking to some people today and I was
32:34
like, by all of the metrics that I'd find joy in, this should be
32:38
my favorite expansion. Mythic Plus feels good for the
32:43
most part. Raid feels good for the most
32:46
part. You know class balancing is
32:49
pretty pretty good. Thanks.
32:51
Just got a nice little bump. They did the thing that people
32:54
have tried for for years and buffed the other tanks instead
32:59
of nerfing brewmaster. Although then when they buffed
33:02
then people still cried. It was weird.
33:04
People are weird but they did the thing right.
33:07
So it's like all all of my characters got stronger and on
33:10
this reset. So I was like, oh, wow, and this
33:14
cost. So the .5 content is exactly
33:17
what I would want in open world, quote UN quote more casual
33:24
content. I can ignore it means nothing.
33:27
There's if if you don't find joy in the void assaults and you're
33:34
not chasing achievement points like some people do, that's your
33:37
if that's your thing, cool. But if you don't find joy in in
33:42
in void assaults, don't do them. What do you lose when not doing
33:45
them? Absolutely nothing.
33:49
I did 1 Angel Lamont. I did 1 and never song just to
33:52
say I did them. I will never do one again.
33:55
I will lose nothing from this. That might be the perfect
34:00
example of an open world content piece that's added for me
34:05
because I don't want to be given chores that I don't want to do
34:08
that I, I don't feel I need to ritual.
34:10
Ritual sites, which are worst elves.
34:15
You could do those to farm your transmog.
34:19
It took me 4 ritual sites to get enough of the ritual site tokens
34:24
to buy all of the transmog from the random vendor.
34:27
So I did them and I've done a couple cents because I have a
34:30
friend who's a mount collector and he's like, hey, I'm going to
34:31
do this for this mount or he's going to, he's finishing up
34:34
achievements and I like playing with my friends.
34:35
So I just tag along. But I'm not there for the
34:38
rituals, but there if you want gearing, shelves are a much
34:42
better way to gear than a ritual site is and already accessible.
34:45
So if you're not chasing that transmog and you don't care
34:49
about achievements, you can do one and call it call it a day.
34:53
And that's, I mean, that's, that's exactly what I want.
34:58
Now, I would say, I don't know who these are for.
35:01
So in my mind, it's like, why are we spending development time
35:06
on the like? Why do these exist?
35:09
And somebody said, Hey, you know, you like to do dungeons.
35:13
If you could only do one dungeon over and over again, that would
35:17
get boring. This is similar to that.
35:19
You like to do delves. People like to do delves.
35:21
Well, they don't want to just do the same for delves every day.
35:23
Now you can mix in a ritual site and it's something to another.
35:25
OK, cool. I don't I guess that logic sort
35:28
of makes sense to me, but it's still a worse, it's still a
35:33
worse a worse delve as far as gearing goes.
35:38
So I mean, I'm and I have not having done Abyssal Anguish
35:42
because there's absolutely nothing I want from it.
35:44
So that purple triangle is going to stay in the corner of my as
35:46
well. I'm on map until I fucking die.
35:50
So yeah, I don't know. It's to me that's like a
35:55
perfect. Those three things are the
35:59
perfect example of a .5 patch open world content that I could
36:04
ask for because I can just ignore them and I think that
36:11
should make me happy, right? I should be like, oh great, they
36:14
are giving me exactly what I want.
36:17
But for some reason my brain is like, why did you release these
36:22
things I don't want to do? Why didn't you make this content
36:25
for me? I don't care like, but I don't
36:26
have that same hang up with housing.
36:28
They released housing. I was really excited about it.
36:30
I got really hot and heavy into housing early on.
36:32
I was watching a bunch of videos and I haven't been back to my
36:35
house since December in game and I haven't watched a housing
36:40
video in two months. So I've I've completely housing.
36:44
Might as well not even exist for me now.
36:45
It might as well be, but that doesn't bother me.
36:49
I'm not upset by that. It might as well be and it seems
36:53
like you cut out for me the. Yeah, Riverside.
36:56
Riverside censored your punchline there.
36:59
Yeah, that's weird. OK, I was, I was like, did I?
37:01
Did you actually not hear it? Did you not?
37:03
Hear it? Oh, I said it might as well be
37:05
pet battles. That's so weird.
37:08
Yeah, it literally cut out. I was like.
37:10
That's hilarious. Yeah.
37:13
So I don't know. But something is.
37:16
There's something's rotten in Denmark, basically.
37:18
I don't know. I should be as happy as I've
37:21
ever been. Playing the game right now and
37:24
I've I the only thing I can think is that my everything
37:27
about the UI still feels a little bit off losing the
37:30
information we don't have it's and I feel like that has somehow
37:34
it's like Grima worm tongued its way into my brain to make me ate
37:39
midnight because of the way the narrative flowed over this whole
37:43
thing. But as far as as far as this
37:45
content goes, like I I, I I'm I'm good for a break or whatever
37:50
because I'm not doing ritual sites.
37:51
I'm not doing assaults, void assaults, you know, and I can't
37:56
swim, so I won't do a Bissell Angler.
38:00
But yeah, I don't know. I like even the people that I
38:02
know that are collectors that do them for achievements, they're
38:04
not like, I don't know anybody who's like gagging to get into
38:06
to void assaults. Oh man, I can't wait to log on
38:09
and do a 45 minute void assault or 88 marl or whatever.
38:14
Whatever you get from it, I don't know, but yeah, it's it's
38:19
and it's crazy. It's crazy to me.
38:21
Like Blizzard, you gave me exactly what I want.
38:23
This is exactly what I should want.
38:25
So thank you. I'm not going to complain about
38:27
it. Thank.
38:31
You I really like that. That is a well that is a self
38:35
aware take. I appreciate that.
38:39
I think that when I look at this content and I want to be excited
38:45
for it, it's like Blizzard, why aren't you doing something to
38:47
make me excited? But I, I 100% agree with you.
38:52
I don't want the wow chores return of Wow chores.
38:55
Hey guys, you need to like farm six of the small things to get 3
39:00
of the medium things to get one of the thing that actually
39:03
matters. And we're going to have you do
39:05
that every week so that you can do this stuff.
39:08
I, I'm, I'm happy about that. I just dislike that the stuff
39:12
that I do need to engage in is constantly having a little more
39:20
track added to it, a little more track added to it, right?
39:24
That's the point that like, just absolutely irritates me with
39:29
this content. What I want from it isn't a lot,
39:35
isn't for it to like not exist or be good for me.
39:39
I want it to be good, period. I want it to like get the space
39:43
that it deserves. If you're going to have the
39:47
Decor duel, I think that Lex did a great analogy if that was in.
39:53
I completely forgot Decor duel when I was talking about the
39:56
things that came because it was a 2 day thing.
39:58
I was two days when I was done. You were like, oh, OK, I'm on
40:02
the decor duel next week. Now I'm done with decor duel.
40:04
It's like, oh. Literally literally took me two
40:07
days and that was it was like 2 short sessions and I had all of
40:10
the transmog and I'm out. I'll never be a plant again.
40:15
I think that they could have that come again.
40:17
I would love if the core duels got assimilated in the
40:21
neighborhoods. I think that there's a lot of
40:23
spaces in the two neighborhoods that could be areas to do decor
40:27
duels that hey, if teams want to do that and then it gives out
40:31
decor for a decor duel. Oh, wow, look at that theming.
40:35
Maybe a lot of this stuff is things that they were testing
40:39
systems and might come in later. I'm hoping that with the
40:44
general, because you're not the only person that I've heard
40:49
saying that like virtual sites are just worse delves.
40:53
So I'm hoping that like they tested it, they're like, OK,
40:55
people don't like putting affixes in delves.
40:57
We'll leave Delves alone. But so this is I, I'm so excited
41:04
about all of this. I was so excited about it.
41:06
And I like, I feel like I was the person who was supposed to
41:09
like ritual sites and the the void assaults.
41:13
And I, I mean, like, first of all, I'll go back to what I said
41:17
ages ago, which is that all of this would have been about a pre
41:19
patch. Just like even before this.
41:21
I, when I heard them talk about it, I was like, oh, that's gonna
41:24
be pre patch. But no, I think ritual sites had
41:29
so much promise. And then they gave us one and it
41:33
was like 1 at a time and it was very boring.
41:36
And like, like it did, it was I, I thought it was very funny that
41:39
Sean was saying that his friend was like, oh, well, if you only
41:41
had one mythic plus and you did it again and again and again,
41:44
wouldn't you find that boring? They gave us and I honestly kind
41:49
of like, yeah, I think they probably are going to take away
41:51
the lesson. Nobody wants affixes in delves
41:55
and I wish they wouldn't. I wish they would take away the
42:00
lesson. Nobody wants to run one scenario
42:03
over and over again until the day they die because I think
42:07
ethics is in Dallas can be really sick.
42:08
I think outdoor Dallas can be really sick right, like I think
42:10
that could have been a really cool idea and I'd love to see
42:12
them experiment with it more when I don't have to do 1
42:15
outdoor kill all the not a that are standing in the same stoop.
42:18
I clearly I did this day one and I was like, I do not want to do
42:20
this ever again. So I don't know what the other
42:22
one is because I simply do not want to do one thing a million
42:26
times. However.
42:27
I would love to find out. I would love to be a family on
42:30
the wall. When they look at like
42:31
engagement, they look at numbers and like, how do they measure?
42:34
Because if you look at the, the engagement statistics for ritual
42:38
sites, like they took a huge spike yesterday.
42:41
People were spam writing them and I guess they take, oh, look,
42:43
people like virtual sites. You were wrong.
42:45
They just needed some time to cook.
42:46
Like, well, no, obviously it's, it's for these, these things
42:49
we're trying to get the drop. That's why these we're doing.
42:51
I want to know because I'm with you.
42:52
I think the idea of affix is to add affixes to delves could be
42:55
fun give people who are delve only players or people who just
43:00
enjoy delves a challenge. But that's that needs to not be
43:03
the take away from the rituals like that.
43:05
The the challenges aren't why they are why it's worst elves.
43:08
Worst elves because you just get worse gear and worse rewards
43:12
from doing it and there's only one of them.
43:14
And Speaking of statistics, I just refreshed Twitter and the
43:17
top tweet from one hour ago is T5 ritual sites aren't good for
43:23
shards. We went O for seven.
43:29
OK, well, you know what, like a lot of Warcraft statistics and
43:34
stars, we're never going to touch them.
43:36
I would say that the that there's definitely multiple ways
43:42
that they get feedback. We've seen them put out
43:44
questionnaires. We've we know that they do focus
43:47
groups. We know that they have like all
43:49
the analytics that they have for the in game and they're reading
43:53
forms and and people tweet at them.
43:55
So I'm not, I suspect that they get a more robust thing than
43:58
they look at like a spike in it and can't see that there's like
44:02
4 Wowhead articles that are like run your run your ass into like
44:06
the voyage rituals 20 times to get your stuff.
44:09
This stuff, if it is a test bed, I think that like because like,
44:14
hey, we're not getting enough testing on the PTR because it's
44:16
so fast. So let's, let's be more free
44:18
with this experimental content. It's even more reason to let
44:22
that experimental content breathe.
44:24
Like when you have thunderstorm, thunderstorm is the highlight
44:28
and it gets its time. When you have remix, remix is
44:32
the highlight and it gets its time.
44:35
The same thing with this, we are about to go into 12 point O 7
44:39
and one thing that's coming from remix is this heroic and mythic
44:43
tier of world content. And now it's going to be
44:47
specifically for these areas that we were talking about.
44:51
But like, is that something that they're like, OK, let's do a
44:54
bigger test here And then in the next expansion or something, it
44:59
becomes more ubiquitous. I would think that that's a good
45:04
way of doing it. But they like, I just feel like
45:06
the earlier testing needs to breathe more because like abyss
45:10
anglers, you're right. It's going to be a purple
45:14
triangle in the corner of a zone for as long as I can deal with
45:21
that annoyance because I am one of those people that will like
45:23
start going like, I'm just going to clear this out, just get
45:27
through the initial thing just so that triangle's gone.
45:30
Can I make it taste so spicy? Am I going to be kicked off the
45:32
show? No, you can.
45:34
You can get spicy as long as you don't talk about wild head.
45:36
OK, Hell yeah. I think that they should bring
45:40
back Season 4. I think having a stupid little
45:43
season at the end when the doves can kind of breathe and use that
45:47
time to be prepping for, you know, the the next big thing, I
45:51
think that's great. I think it gives us an
45:53
opportunity. I think they clearly have a lot
45:55
of devs, devs who are very good and I do not mean this as an
45:58
insult, who are very good at Dick around content.
46:01
And I think, sorry, maybe I, I don't know if I can say that on
46:04
air. Yeah, it's my Coco.
46:06
I but but like I think they have a so many people who are like,
46:09
oh, this would be a fun little time waster and they're good at
46:13
it. I think.
46:14
I love decor rules. I thought it was thick and so
46:17
that would that if we had a Season 4, that it's like you
46:21
guys are all a little sleepy because we just pushed content
46:23
at you so fast. Go hang out with your Guild, go
46:26
do silly little goofy things. We have all these silly little
46:27
goofy ideas who we want to test with you guys and maybe if
46:30
they're good we'll bring them back, but if not, then who
46:32
cares? It's Season 4.
46:33
We're all having fun. I think that was good.
46:35
I think it gave people a chance to rest.
46:36
I think it gave jabs a chance to reset.
46:39
I think it was a as much as everyone whined about it, I
46:42
think it was a positive for the game.
46:44
I like having a season that doesn't matter.
46:47
I I disagree because I don't like season fours.
46:51
I felt they were the like absolute like why am I
46:58
subscribed to this kind of game sort of time?
47:01
And I would prefer that the the quote UN quote Dick around
47:04
content, the the let's just have some fun content be coming out
47:12
as we're going through stuff. What I yeah, I I just feel like
47:19
maybe the eight week cadence is making it that like I never feel
47:24
like I have the time to like explore this fun, fun content.
47:29
And I, and I also think that like I wouldn't mind if it was
47:33
like pushed to an area where it's like, OK, here is the 2 new
47:38
zones coming in 12 point O 7. And in those zones that we also
47:43
have the two, the two new levels of world content, but that's
47:50
going to be put on all world content and that'll help people
47:54
catch up to Ward's stuff, right. And so that becomes like, oh,
47:57
OK, cool. That's the invention of of 12
48:01
point 0.7. And then that can like go on.
48:04
And now I have like heroic content that I could put into
48:07
put into stuff going forward. And then the 12 point O 5 is
48:12
like, here's the housing stuff and we're doing a bunch of stuff
48:16
with housing and hey, you can go back to go back and check out
48:18
housing. And so all that stuff goes in,
48:21
like I said, decor duel and all of that.
48:23
And then in the 12 point 1.5 they're like they say we're
48:29
refreshing pet battles and pet battles are a big thing.
48:32
And so like, if I don't care about pet battles or I don't
48:35
care about housing or I don't care about world content, now I
48:38
have the time to catch up on that other thing that I may not
48:40
have had time from before X in the like point X season from
48:45
before, right? And do that.
48:48
So or I go like, OK, maybe now I've got time, time for housing.
48:52
Like what's the what's the spotlight, Blizzard?
48:54
What do you got me focused on here?
48:57
And love it or leave it like each week we have.
49:01
Do you want to do time walking? Do you want to do PvP?
49:03
Do you want to do do this? They could do a similar sort of
49:07
theme of focus with patches and I think that would at least make
49:11
me take notice of it more. So I hear that.
49:17
I think the first thing that I would say immediately is nobody
49:21
does content like does filler content.
49:23
Maybe that's OK. I do not do filler content when
49:26
it's not shiny and new. It's possible that you guys are
49:29
more like locked into the rewards of the content versus
49:33
the fun silly game of the content.
49:35
And therefore you're less concerned of like, oh, is this a
49:38
fun, exciting, shiny new thing? So maybe I'm wrong.
49:41
Maybe everyone would actually go back and do it.
49:42
But OK, I, I, I do, I will say I do think a lot of the issue is
49:47
the cadence. I really think 8 weeks is too
49:49
short. I feel constantly underwater,
49:52
which kind of makes me just want to check out like, all right,
49:54
sick. I can't keep up anyway, So best
49:57
of luck. And I think it also makes me
50:02
feel honestly, especially because I kind of like filler
50:04
content. I kind of like having silly time
50:06
that it's like, Oh yeah, I'm geared up, but now I get to go
50:08
play my silly little video game for fun and would.
50:12
You play Secrets of Azeroff back in Dragonflight.
50:15
I don't think so, no. The the like get the hat that
50:20
like sends you in a different direction.
50:23
So like you never touch that. OK, Did you ever do the I forget
50:30
what what they were called the they they were like the
50:33
archaeology group that would like dig up the place in in the
50:39
Azure Span I. Think they maybe do a little.
50:43
Bit of that. But not a ton.
50:47
OK, So maybe what we're learning is I don't actually do failure
50:48
content. OK.
50:50
Sean, did you do any of those? I did the dig site one because I
50:54
wanted the trans mob. OK, that was it.
50:58
I don't so I would rather shoot myself in the face than have
51:01
another season 4. Just I want to make sure I'm
51:06
super clear on that. I get it.
51:08
I understand why you like it, but season so I don't.
51:11
I I will never ever ever ever ever ever ever want to have to
51:18
go back and reprod bosses I've probed and that's all that
51:21
season 4 was. I I hated I this.
51:24
I had a visceral hatred for season 4.
51:27
I would rather a 10 month final season where they put this
51:34
content in to give people time to breathe than a season 4.
51:38
I cannot possibly say I want that.
51:41
I think that's actually more what I want.
51:43
I think I have no or limited interest in that being a true
51:47
new season with new like goals and stuff.
51:49
It really actually what I should say is not that I want a season
51:52
4, it's that I want a plunderstorm season.
51:54
Like like conceptually, right? Not plunderstorm exactly, but
51:57
like so a. Season where rating and mythic
51:59
plus isn't updated but it's specifically like here is the
52:03
fun marquee content outside of instance content.
52:07
Exactly, yes. Yeah, I'm OK with that.
52:11
I just, I am all about the anything that's not mythic plus
52:15
or rating, it's, it's always going to be a, both the reward
52:18
for me and once I have attained the reward, I, I don't know how
52:23
Plunderstorm I think is the closest I will have gotten to
52:26
doing something out of pure fun. But even Plunderstorm, once I
52:32
got to the end of the reward track, it was like 6 more
52:37
matches and then I, I never touched it again.
52:41
I am, I am 100% a carrot. Like it's the reward needs.
52:45
And decor duels is the same thing.
52:47
I didn't dislike decor duels. It was kind of fun.
52:49
I found myself laughing and enjoying myself in the 8 hours
52:53
of playtime that I had with it that it took me to farm enough
52:55
currency to buy the stuff. But once I had bought the stuff,
52:58
there was no I, I need a reason to do it.
53:03
I need a reason to want to do. I don't, I'm not going to just
53:05
do it for fun. If I want to do something that's
53:06
just for fun, I got to be honest, I'm playing a different
53:08
game. Yeah, and I mean like World of
53:12
Warcraft does have a little I, I, I, I don't know how like
53:17
World of Warcraft does have a little bit of a given kids
53:20
stickers for coloring problem where I also feel like I can
53:23
really, really enjoy content within the 2nd that I see that
53:26
there's no, there's nothing attached to it that I'm
53:28
interested in. I just sort of lose interest.
53:31
I'm like, Oh well then I guess it's not worth it If I I'm not
53:34
getting if I'm not getting my sticker for coloring, why would
53:37
I color? Yeah, but under that same token,
53:41
I don't, sorry, I just want to finish this under that same
53:43
token, I don't do like I never got into the platinum trophy
53:47
chasing or the achievement chasing on Xbox or PS345.
53:51
Like I, if you, and it's like there's, there's exactly 1 game
53:57
where I did ever do the extra stuff because the game was that
54:03
much fun in this breath of the wild and the 999 Clorox seeds,
54:07
which you at the end, you get a golden poop.
54:09
That's what you get a little golden poop for getting them.
54:13
I that's the only game I've ever done the extra.
54:16
Like if you're, if you're needing to inject achievements
54:20
and trophies to make your game, to have longevity in your game
54:25
and replayability. I don't, I that's not for me.
54:28
I have no interest in any of that.
54:29
So maybe it's just the way that I'm wired and that's why like
54:33
the, the filler stuff doesn't hook me.
54:35
You know, I, I don't know what they would have to do for it to,
54:39
to, to actually become something I do regularly for fun alongside
54:43
because I'm not doing mythic plus for rewards either.
54:45
I'm doing that because I like doing mythic plus.
54:47
You know they don't give you a reward for having done 700 plus
54:50
twelves. Though I think that like the
54:54
problem with Wow is that the mastery is if there is something
55:01
that's the mastery, it's infinitely scaling.
55:03
And I now I need like the only way I can show mastery is if I'm
55:07
in that top 1% right or .01% to get the glad or whatever it is.
55:14
I think that I really enjoyed mage tower.
55:17
I know people said, oh, it was easy when it got like super
55:20
nerfed and and so forth or like that sort of thing.
55:25
But like I'd love to do in challenge modes like challenge
55:28
mode. Do it beyond the.
55:29
Rewards. Sorry.
55:31
Did you do it beyond the reward once you beat mage tower on
55:35
elemental shaman? Did you keep doing it or did you
55:37
stop? I did it on enhancement because
55:40
I was playing enhancement and I did that in the same tier that
55:47
it was released. I then was like, this is really
55:51
cool. OK, I'm going to try and push
55:54
and do elemental right and on the same character.
55:58
Don't know. I had to go farm out all of the
56:00
like the stuff stuff for it, but I was also like, you know,
56:04
because you had to get all the points to put in and all of
56:07
that. But I had the knowledge and
56:08
stuff. So it wasn't that bad, but I
56:09
wasn't really touching elemental before that.
56:11
So I actually was like, OK, you know what, I really do want to
56:14
get show this mastery sort of thing.
56:16
And so I did that. I and I did those two and then
56:20
every sorry, I did resto, but I did that when like things were
56:25
like crazy, like I did it. I tried to do resto in the tier
56:31
afterwards and then I wasn't able to do it until not when
56:36
everything was maxed out when the weapons start were
56:38
completely overcharged, But when they were starting to get like
56:40
more powerful, I did it within that progress and I was like,
56:43
OK, fine. I I I didn't get to do that in
56:45
time, but at least I got the cool little flashy, flashy thing
56:48
right. But you, didn't you?
56:51
Stopped as soon as you got the reward.
56:52
You didn't keep doing it. You didn't go back in and do
56:55
anything for no for for no reason.
56:59
No, because I moved on to the next challenge to see if I could
57:01
do it in that way. If I did, I do challenge mode
57:05
after I gotten a goal and and therefore done it.
57:09
Yes, I did do that with other people.
57:11
I was a healer and it was like, oh, we need a healer.
57:13
I'm like, OK, I've done this before, let's do this again.
57:16
Right. And TN like was like taught like
57:20
it was two other people, the tank and myself and one DPS were
57:24
from the group that had done it. And we took two other people
57:26
that wanted to do it and got through and we got the challenge
57:30
modes for that One was like, miss a Pandaria warlords.
57:33
I only did it the one time because we got it done and we're
57:36
like, oh, wow, OK, we did it, man.
57:39
There's there's no content in this in this game.
57:43
Plus like Gildrom and all that sort of stuff.
57:44
ANYWAYS, So like that's I do think that like getting the
57:50
achievement and getting it done is something that Warcraft can
57:55
do where you like push for stuff.
57:58
And I've I have said I think on this show, I think that
58:01
challenge mode should come back that there should be like a your
58:04
gear is locked to this. It's not going to get any
58:07
harder, but you are going to have to fight with like this
58:10
gear level to push through this thing and I think that the game
58:15
would allow that pretty well. But like I also think that they
58:20
just are really addicted to this.
58:23
Like let's keep extending this tail.
58:24
Let's make this the the long thing that you have to like keep
58:28
on top to to actually succeed in.
58:32
And so like that eats up the all the air in the room, which means
58:38
that you don't have time for other things.
58:40
If rating is going to be done on week, whatever, what you need to
58:47
keep coming back to get all this year so that you can be ready
58:50
for next season, which is coming on in in eight weeks.
58:54
Why do you have time to like smell the roses, right?
58:58
Let completely divorce yourself from that.
59:00
And for people who are looking at that, we had that
59:02
conversation with Josh where she's like, wow, like, I can
59:04
actually enjoy this and these side stories and stuff.
59:08
Sean, you loved the War Within side stories and early access is
59:15
always it is something twice in a row now that you've said has
59:18
been a joy because you get to enjoy things that I don't think
59:22
you'd have time for otherwise. Yeah, I definitely wouldn't.
59:25
I would throw on wrested XP or Zygor's and blast through and
59:28
that would be it. I would.
59:29
I wouldn't read a single quest if we did.
59:31
Never really access. Please keep giving us early
59:33
access, Blizzard. I'll pay so much more than
59:35
you're asking me to pay now. Sorry, I guess I'm going to
59:41
leave that in. I just feel like feel bad
59:43
putting that out in the world. On the same note, note, do you
59:47
do the local stories in the successive patches?
59:52
So like, OK, so there are things that like even though they're
59:57
obviously not giving you like great rewards, there are things
1:00:01
that you do before the enjoyment of it that is.
1:00:04
Yeah, I mean myth. I do mythic plus for nothing.
1:00:07
Like I legitimately will do 700 plus twelves this season
1:00:11
probably. And like, I don't like to get
1:00:15
like I feel my fault at 8 a week.
1:00:17
You know, I don't have to keep doing them.
1:00:18
I do them because they're I do mythic plus because I enjoy it.
1:00:21
I, I legitimately I don't like pushing.
1:00:24
I don't, I'm never going to get point on percent.
1:00:25
So I don't see the value. I like, I just like running
1:00:27
dungeons and seeing how fast we can go.
1:00:29
That's it. I, I that's why the current
1:00:32
format of the MDI is my favorite.
1:00:34
I would much rather see if I can do a + 12 and 8 minutes and then
1:00:37
see if I can do a + 23 because spoiler alert I can't do one of
1:00:41
those but I might be able to do the other.
1:00:45
And I do the raid. I keep running the raid on
1:00:47
heroic even though there's nothing I need from it.
1:00:49
I pulled mythic Chimeris 2 weeks now.
1:00:54
I've pulled mythic Chimeris and there's not a single piece of
1:00:56
Lupin. And then it's not like I'm doing
1:00:58
in Guild groups. I'm, I'm literally pugging a
1:01:00
raid boss. I'm pugging it so it's not even
1:01:03
Guild clears. I'm pugging a raid boss with
1:01:06
strangers that doesn't have any loot that I need just because I
1:01:11
like raiding, just because I like that boss.
1:01:15
It's crazy. Yeah, so I there is lots of
1:01:21
stuff I do stuff I do for fun all the time.
1:01:24
I would love challenge modes. The way you described the
1:01:26
challenge modes sound great. I I missed them.
1:01:28
Unfortunately it was during my break.
1:01:29
I'm not going to say unfortunately, I enjoyed my 10
1:01:31
year break. It was definitely healthy for me
1:01:35
and it has given me the freedom to know that I can walk away at
1:01:37
any time. But yeah, challenge was I think
1:01:39
would be great. I don't know that the mage Tower
1:01:41
is, I think the mage tower is just another carrot.
1:01:44
I think it's nobody's doing. You show me if you are somebody
1:01:48
out there, I'm certain somebody will say that it's them.
1:01:50
I I won't believe you, but I don't believe anybody is like
1:01:54
once they've unlocked, once they've beaten the mage tower on
1:01:56
a spec, I don't think anybody's going back to do it again
1:02:00
because it was so much fun. I don't think anybody's doing
1:02:03
that. They're doing it to get they're
1:02:05
doing it. They've said that they've maybe
1:02:06
they've had fun frogging it, but once they've gotten the reward,
1:02:10
that's it. It's it is reward based content.
1:02:13
Nobody is. Please let me know.
1:02:15
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think I am
1:02:19
the enhancement. 1 was so random that yeah, just like I, I feel
1:02:23
like I got the, why would you write the layout?
1:02:25
And I was like, perfect, I got it.
1:02:27
I'm done. I'm out.
1:02:28
Yeah, nobody's going back there. And man, I really enjoyed that,
1:02:31
Maestro. I'm going to do this again for
1:02:32
fun, for nothing. Nobody's doing that.
1:02:34
Maybe a content creator recording a video?
1:02:38
Do you guys enjoy story elements of Warcraft?
1:02:42
Like if they were more like if there were more quests that came
1:02:49
out, there were like putting the story story forward that were a
1:02:54
little bit more voice acted that were more similar to the
1:02:58
levelling campaign. Would you like that to show up
1:03:01
in like .5 and .7 patches? Would that be something that
1:03:04
you'd be like, great, here's a little bit of content that I can
1:03:06
get to. Yeah, big yes for me, Yeah, Even
1:03:10
if it was just a new local story popped up.
1:03:13
Give me a breadcrumb that sends me.
1:03:14
You know, we have finished .7 comes out, we've stopped
1:03:19
Xalatas, we've renewed the sun. Well, we turned it into the
1:03:22
rainbow. Well, whatever it's called now,
1:03:24
the dawn, well, the dawn, well, sorry, it's the dawn.
1:03:27
Well now. And we get a pop up that says,
1:03:30
hey, something's going on in in forest Rider village.
1:03:32
We go down there and it's the aftermath.
1:03:34
A new local story popped up for what has changed and just how
1:03:37
it's affected the people. I would love that.
1:03:39
I that's fun, but it's not repeatable content and it's
1:03:42
something I'm going to do once, but I would take that for sure.
1:03:45
And I'm certain the Lord, well, actually, I don't know what the
1:03:47
Lord will want. They're the they're anyway.
1:03:50
I'm not going to, I'm not going to say anything incendiary Will
1:03:53
Delore people and how awful they've been.
1:03:55
We're going to move on to Lex. Lex, would you, What about you?
1:03:58
What condo would you like? So I'm admittedly less of a
1:04:04
story girl. I think I'm realizing I like the
1:04:07
novels, but the like the way that the World of war like in
1:04:11
game story is fed to me is actually really hard for me to
1:04:13
internalize. Like I, I, I get so into like a
1:04:15
clicking mode that I don't even realize that I would read
1:04:18
something until I'm like, wait, why am I doing this?
1:04:22
I really like I World of Warcraft for me is for the
1:04:26
people. Like I don't even think of the
1:04:28
rewards that come with rating. Like I when I'm logging in
1:04:31
people like, oh, who needs a trinket on the spas?
1:04:33
I'm like, oh, I forgot spas. Like that's cool.
1:04:36
I do delves for that. So I always like content that is
1:04:43
fun for the sake of fun and specifically that I can get my
1:04:48
guilt to do with me. That's the big one for me.
1:04:50
And I think that's one reason why Decor Duels was really fun
1:04:52
for me for a day. And I'm not anytime after that
1:04:55
because it's kind of like I you can't queue with people I would
1:05:00
like. And I think that's also honestly
1:05:02
why. Definitely 100% can queue with
1:05:04
people. You can queue with up to seven.
1:05:06
You can queue with up to seven people.
1:05:08
Oh did they change that? I used to.
1:05:09
You couldn't queue at all. You have to, it's always, you
1:05:12
have to go to the person. You can't.
1:05:15
Queue from the menu in a group. You have to go to the person so
1:05:19
that she sees that you're actually friends.
1:05:21
Gosh. Oh, wait, fair enough.
1:05:22
In that case, I guess we can all bully my raid chewing decor tool
1:05:25
with me. Yeah, I I and I think that's
1:05:29
actually one reason why I say things like I'd like a season 4
1:05:32
because I would love a time. I, I, I love the periods of time
1:05:35
when my raid team was like, well, I mean, it's long enough
1:05:37
that we don't want to just take a break.
1:05:39
So I guess we'll go do something silly together, right?
1:05:42
Like we'll just, everyone, we're going to do a random draw for
1:05:44
different roles and just, you know, see what happens.
1:05:46
It's going to be a crappy tea or whatever, who cares?
1:05:49
We'll have fun. And so I that that is the the
1:05:54
type of like additional content that I would like is the type of
1:05:57
thing that I can coerce my friends into being goofy little
1:06:01
idiots with me about. OK.
1:06:05
What about you, Manny? What do you want to see?
1:06:09
I think I was leading with that story.
1:06:11
I would love additional stories. I really love Sean's suggestion
1:06:15
of additional local stories. Yeah, OK.
1:06:18
You don't want to push the main story forward, but like being
1:06:21
able to like get more stuff on the Harnar because they feel
1:06:24
very empty. I'd love to see to get more
1:06:26
stuff with that. It's the reason that I do the
1:06:30
artifact thing that you do for them is like, OK, maybe this
1:06:34
will tell me more about it and it like it does give you more of
1:06:38
that story and I'm happy for that.
1:06:41
But like now that we're like a little bit further along, maybe
1:06:46
that's there. I would love if when you do a
1:06:52
endeavour in housing that they go back to that zone and there's
1:06:58
new local stories there. That's a great way of like
1:07:02
giving an update to the to the world.
1:07:04
Make it a living world. OK, we went, now we're back in
1:07:07
Mechagon. It's years after King Mechagon's
1:07:11
being dead. And so the resistance is doing
1:07:14
stuff. Maybe that maybe that's too much
1:07:16
work for them. But like if it wasn't a matter
1:07:22
of work, would I love that content?
1:07:24
Yes. I would love to see the world
1:07:27
moved forward in that, in that way that doesn't have to be some
1:07:30
like life threatening thing to show that the world isn't all
1:07:34
about like the next big bad. It's a cool thing.
1:07:37
Like we go to, there's one part where you're doing these stories
1:07:42
in the Tavern, the Argentina, and you're going to all these
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different things. You go to Gilnaeus and it's
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like, Oh yeah, like I'm I'm taking over here.
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Well, tell me more. How are things going in Gnaeus?
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Like have you have you torn down the wall?
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Have you rebuilt the wall? That like what's going on?
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Like I would love to explore more of that.
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So all of that story sounds great, especially when Sean
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mentioned like local stories and I think it ties in a lot with
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stuff because like you want a reason for them to have the
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decor. Sure, right.
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But like it, I think that rewards aren't necessarily like
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some shiny thing that I put up in that I like I wear or I have
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a title or stuff. It can just be like the
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adventure. So if they make the adventure
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worth it, I love playing my warlock.
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I I would play my play my warlock if I had the time to
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like maintain it. But like maintaining it as a
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raid character is a lot more effort than maintaining it as
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something that can do these these sort of stories and this
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sort of content. I don't know, give me fun and I
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will engage with that. Leave me busy work and I will
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find a way to circumvent that by doing trap cheese or like only
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going as far as the highest reward and then checking out.
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Yeah. Anyways, that was a bit of a
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conversation. Any last thoughts just before we
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wrap it up? I'll give you a chance, Sean.
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No, I'm feeling better this week than I was last week.
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I think being surrounded by so many people at LFG who were just
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like passionate and love the game helped contribute to that.
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And today I went into Speaking of things, you know, doing
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things for fun. I went to her and a zone that I
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still cannot stand. Music is lovely though, and did
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all of the treasures and good. Found all those stupid moths and
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did you know that in French there is no word for moth that
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instead they call them Papillon de Nuy, which is butterfly of
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the night. And that's my, that's my closing
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thought. Yeah, in French they also make
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you do math when they're just trying to like, say, the number
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80. Yeah, that's right.
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What could they be? A lot more like America, where
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nobody does math? Yeah.
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Well, that's our quota for political takes today, so until
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next time, may all your hits be grits.