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COPS: 'DUI MOM' CRASHES CAR IN CANAL, FLEES SCENE TO TAKE DRUNKEN BATH LEAVING DAUGHTER, 4, TO DROWN IN CAR · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: According to police, the so called dui mom crashes her
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  Speaker 2: car into a canal, then flees the scene to take
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  Speaker 2: a boozy drunken bath, leaving her four year old little
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  Speaker 2: girl to drown in the car back in the canal.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
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  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: Tragedy strikes near Modesto, California, when twenty six year old
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  Speaker 3: juliet Acosta crashes her vehicle into an irrigation canal with
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  Speaker 3: her four year old daughter, Reagan still inside of When
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  Speaker 3: police arrived, Juliette is nowhere to be found, and what
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  Speaker 3: they uncover next stuns the community.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, crashing bad enough with your child in the car,
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  Speaker 2: the car flipped in the water in a canal. Why
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  Speaker 2: wasn't mommy frantically trying to save her daughter?
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  Speaker 4: And why does she flee.
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  Speaker 2: The scene to go take a boozy drunken bath, leaving
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  Speaker 2: the baby in the car. Joining me an all star
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  Speaker 2: panel to make sense of what we were learning right now.
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  Speaker 4: But I want you to listen to this.
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  Speaker 5: So is a baby strapped in it? Or would we
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  Speaker 5: be looking in the water like I didn't know what
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  Speaker 5: to do.
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  Speaker 6: Acosta subru suv is upturned and partially submerged in the canal.
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  Speaker 6: When Acosta's uncle arrives, he jumps into the water, helping
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  Speaker 6: Acosta get out of the vehicle, but is unable to
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  Speaker 6: find four year old Reagan. A neighbor describes seeing Juliet
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  Speaker 6: Acosta and her uncle standing on top of the submerged vehicle,
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  Speaker 6: but there's no sign of the little girl. The neighbor
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  Speaker 6: asks if the child is in the car or in
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  Speaker 6: the water, but Acosta doesn't provide an answer.
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  Speaker 2: That from our friends at CBS thirteen Sacramento, straight out
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  Speaker 2: to special guests joining us, Nina Burns, Reporter kov Our,
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  Speaker 2: CBS thirteen Sacramento. Nina, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, I'm trying to get my mind around
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  Speaker 2: leaving a crash with your child and the backseats trapped
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  Speaker 2: in in the water so you can go take a
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  Speaker 2: drunken bath. But first things first, tell me about the
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  Speaker 2: crash itself.
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  Speaker 4: What happened, Nina.
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  Speaker 7: So it was March eighth, It was a Sunday, and
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  Speaker 7: what we've heard is that she was leaving her uncle's
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  Speaker 7: house right by the canal. It was only about about
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  Speaker 7: nine hundred feet, I would say, and she drove it
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  Speaker 7: straight in. The uncle did dive in, saved her. They
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  Speaker 7: went to the service a. As you heard earlier. The
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  Speaker 7: witness said she saw the uncle jump in and retrieved
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  Speaker 7: the mother. Twenty minutes later she realized the daughter was
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  Speaker 7: still in the car, and that's when the sheriffay.
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  Speaker 4: Whit white, white, white, white, hold on.
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  Speaker 2: Nina, So the uncle that's the home that d ui, mom,
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  Speaker 2: do you I?
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  Speaker 8: Mom?
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  Speaker 2: I had been at and she leaves there the crash occurred.
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  Speaker 2: I want to hear about how that crash went down,
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  Speaker 2: What exactly happened, I mean, driving on and suddenly in
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  Speaker 2: the water.
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  Speaker 4: There has to be something in between, you would assume.
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  Speaker 7: But all of the witnesses heard the crash. I mean
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  Speaker 7: it was pretty late at night. All we know is
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  Speaker 7: when we saw the car go into the canal. That's
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  Speaker 7: what we're still trying to figure out exactly how she
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  Speaker 7: went straight on into that canal. I mean the road
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  Speaker 7: is completely to the right. You do look at the screen.
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  Speaker 7: I mean it is nowhere near.
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  Speaker 4: Now, Nina Burns, I'm learning a little bit.
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  Speaker 6: Listen, Juliette, A consta is driving home from a party
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  Speaker 6: with her four year old daughter, Reagan Herron, buckled into
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  Speaker 6: her car seat in the back of the Subaru Suv.
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  Speaker 6: Driving south on Arlberg Road, Acosta is not in control
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  Speaker 6: of her vehicle as she drives onto the shoulder of
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  Speaker 6: the road on the left hand side, sideswiping a pole,
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  Speaker 6: pushing her vehicle back onto the asphalt. Acosta continues south
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  Speaker 6: and fails to make a turn, driving up an embankment
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  Speaker 6: and crashing into an irrigation canal along Canal Bank Road.
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  Speaker 6: The sound of the crash into the pole and into
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  Speaker 6: the water is loud enough to get the attention of
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  Speaker 6: those living nearby, including Acosta's uncle and a neighbor, who
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  Speaker 6: head to the canal to see if they can help.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, okay, I'm hearing maybe five to seven times the
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  Speaker 2: crash and the daughter's drowning death could have been avoided.
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  Speaker 2: Straight out to joining me, Nina Burns you just her
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  Speaker 2: joining us kov R CBS thirteen. Bill Garcia is with us,
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  Speaker 2: owner of Bill Garcia Investigative Services. In this jurisdiction, critical
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  Speaker 2: Bill and your jurisdiction. What's the blood alcohol necessary for
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  Speaker 2: a duy charge?
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  Speaker 9: It's a point zero eight and obviously she was at
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  Speaker 9: least three times out of a mile.
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  Speaker 2: You're seeing a shot right now, the so called dy mom,
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  Speaker 2: Juliet Acosta. There she is when pregnant with three friends. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: you know I'm listening to this crash point zero eight.
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  Speaker 2: How is it We've got so many cases where you
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  Speaker 2: mix a mom with a car with booze and water,
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  Speaker 2: and somehow they live and the baby dies. It just
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  Speaker 2: always seems to be that way. Also joining me in
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  Speaker 2: addition to Nina and Bill Garcia, special guest Kimberly Cockrel.
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  Speaker 2: You know her well, victim service manager at Mother's Against
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  Speaker 2: Drunk Driving who lost her best friend to a drunk
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  Speaker 2: driver as well.
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  Speaker 4: Kimberly, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: Did you hear all the points during that scenario where
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  Speaker 2: the baby Reagan could have been saved instead? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I haven't even gotten to the fact that mom goes
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  Speaker 2: takes a drunken bath while the baby's drowning, while the
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  Speaker 2: baby's upside down pinned with a seat belt. Can you
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  Speaker 2: imagine what the baby was going through? What the little
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  Speaker 2: girl screaming for mommy. I'm sure mommy gone. Listen to this, Kimberly, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: the child's buckled into the back seat of the Subaru suv.
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  Speaker 2: Driving south, she drives onto the shoulder of the road
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  Speaker 2: I'm guessing in a boozy fit on the left hand side,
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  Speaker 2: so she crosses across the lanes into oncoming traffic. She
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  Speaker 2: sideswipes a pole that should have been enough right there
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  Speaker 2: for her to hit the brakes, but that didn't happen.
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  Speaker 2: The vehicle gets back onto the asphalt. Kreene's back onto
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  Speaker 2: the asphalt. She then keeps driving, instead of just hitting
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  Speaker 2: the brakes, failing to make a turn, instead driving up
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  Speaker 2: and embankment what you couldn't see basically the mountain. She
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  Speaker 2: drives up an embankment and then crashes into an irrigation canal.
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  Speaker 4: The sound of the crash was so wowed.
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  Speaker 2: The crash into the pole, remember that original crash into
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  Speaker 2: the pole and then into the water that neighbors all
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  Speaker 2: run out to find out what happened. How many points
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  Speaker 2: were there, Kimberly Cockraw in just that scenario where the
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  Speaker 2: baby's life could have been saved by dui.
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  Speaker 10: Mom numerous, the first, the first being that she should
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  Speaker 10: have never put that baby in the car with her. Never,
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  Speaker 10: She should have never been intoxicated behind the wheel. She
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  Speaker 10: should never have had her daughter in that car. As
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  Speaker 10: a mother, I do not understand this. How number one
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  Speaker 10: she would do those actions, but how you would leave
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  Speaker 10: the scene.
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  Speaker 11: With your child.
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  Speaker 10: You know your child is in that water. You know
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  Speaker 10: you put your child in that water, and you leave
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  Speaker 10: there and go take a bath. The irony of that
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  Speaker 10: is something that I have never the circumstances of this
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  Speaker 10: in my thirty two years of dealing with mothers against
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  Speaker 10: drunk driving and representing.
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  Speaker 4: Them that I have ever heard in my life.
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  Speaker 10: I have never heard circumstances this agregious, guys.
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  Speaker 2: Not only did she have so many points during the
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  Speaker 2: driving incident to save her daughter's life just four years old,
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  Speaker 2: but think about the lead up because Kimberly, I often
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  Speaker 2: hear in court it was just an accident. It's not
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  Speaker 2: an accident driving drunk and crashing. It's not an accident.
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  Speaker 2: I've handled plenty of hicular homicide cases, and this is
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  Speaker 2: what I would argue to a jury. Was it an
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  Speaker 2: accident that you went into the bar to start with?
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  Speaker 4: Was it?
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  Speaker 2: Was it an accident you had too much to drink
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  Speaker 2: at dinner? Was that did somebody hold your mouth open
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  Speaker 2: and force the alcohol down your mouth.
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  Speaker 4: No, you did that all on your own.
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  Speaker 2: That was your decision to get another drink, and another drink,
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  Speaker 2: and another drink.
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  Speaker 4: That's not a crime. I don't care.
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  Speaker 2: It was your decision to get the car keys. That
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  Speaker 2: was a decision. That was no accident. It was her
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  Speaker 2: decision to rustle the keys out of her pocketbook or
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  Speaker 2: wherever she kept them, to walk to the car to
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  Speaker 2: strap her daughter into the car.
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  Speaker 4: That was an accident.
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  Speaker 2: No, she strapped Reagan into the back seat in a
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  Speaker 2: car seat for safety. It was her decision to open
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  Speaker 2: her door, get in, put the key in the ignition,
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  Speaker 2: turn the ignition, reverse it, and put it in drive,
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  Speaker 2: and put her foot on the gas.
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  Speaker 4: None of that was an accident.
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  Speaker 2: This is a dui vehiculo homicide crash with intent.
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  Speaker 4: What I don't get, Kimberly.
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  Speaker 2: That's why dui crashes fatalities are not considered to be
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  Speaker 2: murdered because there's so much intent.
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  Speaker 4: I agree with you.
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  Speaker 10: I absolutely wish that every single one of these cases
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  Speaker 10: could be murder. In the state of South Carolina where
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  Speaker 10: I am, we don't have that option. I am very
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  Speaker 10: glad that the state of California, where this woman committed
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  Speaker 10: this crime, has that option, because that's something we just
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  Speaker 10: don't have. But everyone should be considered.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: To Derek Smith joining me, high profile lawyer who has
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  Speaker 2: handled plenty of moms, let me just say that are
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  Speaker 2: not strangers to the criminal justice system. I remember your
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  Speaker 2: last one where mommy went to Puerto Rico and left
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  Speaker 2: her daughter to starve and a playpen. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how you do it, but you do do it, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of people are grateful you do it,
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  Speaker 2: not me but them. Derek Smith joining me, as I said,
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  Speaker 2: high profile lawyer at d W Smith Legal dot com.
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  Speaker 4: Derek, how are you gonna explain away the boozy bath?
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  Speaker 2: Mommy leaves the scene and goes.
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  Speaker 4: Runs a hot bath. Nobody did that for her, strips
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  Speaker 4: down and takes a bath.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the baby is still out there hanging upside down
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  Speaker 2: from a car seat in a canal.
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  Speaker 12: Those actions aren't necessarily the easiest to defend. Obviously, However,
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  Speaker 12: we need to get into actually.
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  Speaker 2: How if you're not going to say that to the jury, Derek, Well, really,
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  Speaker 2: how to explain what she did?
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  Speaker 4: But let me give it a stab.
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  Speaker 12: How the intoxication happened. Now you mentioned before, you know,
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  Speaker 12: maybe somebody wasn't pouring booze down her throat.
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  Speaker 8: Maybe they were.
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  Speaker 12: Maybe something was slipped into her drink that we don't
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  Speaker 12: know about.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, wait his demeanor when he says she was force
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  Speaker 4: fed alcohol? Okay, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Would you repeat that? Maybe she was force fed the
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  Speaker 2: alcohol by who?
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  Speaker 4: Her uncle?
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  Speaker 13: No, we don't know yet.
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  Speaker 12: It's still early in the investigation, isn't it. I mean,
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  Speaker 12: there could have been a new medication that she was on.
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  Speaker 12: There could have been some other factors that led into
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  Speaker 12: her getting to that state that she was in prior
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  Speaker 12: to operating the vehicle. Well, like I said, whether it's
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  Speaker 12: new medication, whether something was in her drink, whether she
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  Speaker 12: was involuntarily taking something she thought was something else that
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  Speaker 12: caused this reaction chemically inside her body. And then the
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  Speaker 12: second part, after the crash, was there some trauma, did
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  Speaker 12: she sustain any injuries that maybe she had no idea
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  Speaker 12: where she was after that crash happened. She didn't know
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  Speaker 12: what was going on. That's the other possibility that we
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  Speaker 12: don't know yet. That's why you kind of got to
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  Speaker 12: get into these cases. I understand the frustration and the
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  Speaker 12: just anger. Absolutely you shouldn't be drinking and driving. Absolutely
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  Speaker 12: you should not be having a child in your car
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  Speaker 12: after consuming alcohol and then driving. However, was she fully
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  Speaker 12: understanding what was going on inside her body at that time?
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  Speaker 8: What do we know?
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  Speaker 12: Was there a toxicology report? Was there kind of blood
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  Speaker 12: work done? Do we know what was actually happening inside
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  Speaker 12: her when this was going on? And that's what we
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  Speaker 12: need to find out.
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  Speaker 4: We do know that toxicology was run.
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  Speaker 2: It's a point one five. That's almost double the legal
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  Speaker 2: limited point zero eight.
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  Speaker 4: Now, hold on.
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  Speaker 2: I love to interrupt you, but I held back because
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  Speaker 2: I was taking notes. So furiously, let's just go down
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  Speaker 2: your list. Okay, do you I mom force fed alcohol? Okay,
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  Speaker 2: let me just scratch that off right right at the beginning. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: Now here's something that the state better be ready for
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  Speaker 2: a new medication. However, if it didn't show up in
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  Speaker 2: the toxicology report, I can go ahead.
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  Speaker 4: Scratch that off. Now you've got head trauma.
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  Speaker 2: You're brilliant, like dtor evil, brilliant trauma to the head.
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  Speaker 4: That might work.
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  Speaker 2: But was her head examined at the hospital, and if so,
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  Speaker 2: and it wasn't injured. I must scratch that off. But
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  Speaker 2: you've got two things going for you right now. You've
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  Speaker 2: got a new medication argument and you've got trauma to
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  Speaker 2: the head. I'm totally as I'm sure you understand Derek
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  Speaker 2: Smith discounting that her uncle held her mouth open and
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  Speaker 2: force fed her alcohol. I'm also discounting that he slipped
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  Speaker 2: a Ruthie in her drink. Yeah, that's too far out there. Plus,
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  Speaker 2: you can bring the uncle on the state will bring
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  Speaker 2: on the uncle to rebut such a claim. But as
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  Speaker 2: to new manage and trauma to the head, at least
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  Speaker 2: you've got something to say to the jury. But as
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  Speaker 2: a prosecutor, I would count how she left the scene
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  Speaker 2: on her own, went to the bathroom, took off her clothes,
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  Speaker 2: ran a bath.
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  Speaker 4: Did she put calgan in at her bath? Salts?
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  Speaker 2: I'm just curious anyway gets to the bath, did you
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  Speaker 2: take a bit? And you know, I don't know because
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  Speaker 2: every move she makes adds intent.
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  Speaker 4: For all I know, she clipped her toenails.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what happened in that bathtub, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to find out, and when I do find out,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to make a big poster of everything she
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  Speaker 2: did that shows she knew what she was doing, goes
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  Speaker 2: straight to the bathroom, stops up the tub, turns on
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  Speaker 2: the hot water, strips down. Yet sin that shows a
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  Speaker 2: certain degree of coherence to me. That said, back to
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  Speaker 2: the facts, something that will not raise my blood pressure
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  Speaker 2: like Derek Smith is right now, what else do we
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  Speaker 2: know about the night that four year old Reagan drowned
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  Speaker 2: dead suspended from a car seat in mommy's car while
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  Speaker 2: mommy was clipping her toenails in the bathtub.
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  Speaker 8: Listen, how zethus aknel and it is lossible that the
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  Speaker 8: four year old.
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  Speaker 6: Is still later vehicle Juliet Acosta is already gone by
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  Speaker 6: the time of Stanislaus County deputy arrives, but her daughter
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  Speaker 6: has him been located. The deputy immediately jumps into the
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  Speaker 6: water to see if the little girl is still inside
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  Speaker 6: the vehicle and finds Reagan heron still buckled in her seat.
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  Speaker 6: With help from Acosta's uncle, the men are able to
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  Speaker 6: break the little girl free and bring her to the surface.
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  Speaker 6: The deputy performs CPR as an ambulance arrives, so rush
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  Speaker 6: the little girl to the hospital.
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  Speaker 2: All of this occur wrying while mommy is letting Calgon
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  Speaker 2: take her away. That from our friend CBS thirteen, Sacramento.
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  Speaker 3: After police find Juliet Acosta drunk and soaking in a baptize,
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  Speaker 3: but her blood alcohol level three times the legal limit.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I would call her missing so
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  Speaker 2: much is having a drunken, boozy bath while her daughter
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  Speaker 2: is submerged in water. Joining me an all Star panel,
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  Speaker 2: but right now straight out to Ben Dobrin joining US
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  Speaker 2: Emergency Response diving instructor. Wow, you've seen a lot I
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  Speaker 2: know that, Ben, But I don't know how often you've
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  Speaker 2: seen a child strapped in a car seat submerged in
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  Speaker 2: water while.
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  Speaker 4: Mommy flees the scene.
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  Speaker 2: She's not missing, she's out taking a bath, a nice
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  Speaker 2: hot bath after all she's been.
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  Speaker 4: Through, while the baby drowns.
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  Speaker 2: Ben, explain to me how the EMTs race to the scene,
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  Speaker 2: they see what's happening. They can't find the mom, the dad,
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  Speaker 2: no adult. They jump in and try to save the child.
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  Speaker 7: Is it?
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  Speaker 4: You know when we see on TV.
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  Speaker 2: In movies, you can never unbuckle the car seat. They
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  Speaker 2: always have to cut the seat belt. I always have
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  Speaker 2: to cut the seat belt, and it's so hard underwater.
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  Speaker 2: Just describe the nightmare scenario that these amts and divers
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  Speaker 2: were going through.
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  Speaker 8: You're correct, it is a nightmare. Cars underwater are horrible.
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  Speaker 8: And you know when you watch on TV, they always
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  Speaker 8: do filming at a pool or in some very clear
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  Speaker 8: water situation and then people have a mask on and
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  Speaker 8: can see. So you've got dark water, you don't have
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  Speaker 8: a mask on, you don't have it's dark. You're feeling
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  Speaker 8: around and a car seat is hard enough and dry land.
• 18:40
  Speaker 8: I mean, if you've been a parent, you know that
• 18:42
  Speaker 8: getting a child in and out of a car seat
• 18:45
  Speaker 8: is always some sort of struggle. But then when you're
• 18:48
  Speaker 8: in the water, anything that is in your car, I
• 18:50
  Speaker 8: want you to go to your car this afternoon and
• 18:52
  Speaker 8: later today and just look around that anything is loose,
• 18:54
  Speaker 8: A box of kleenex, a soda can you, a coffee cup, whatever,
• 18:58
  Speaker 8: anything that's loose in a is could be floating around
• 19:02
  Speaker 8: and it's gonna be getting in your way and it's
• 19:03
  Speaker 8: gonna be bumping into you. And so now you've got
• 19:06
  Speaker 8: you know, you're in the water, it's dark, you're trying
• 19:10
  Speaker 8: to feel your way into the back seat, You're trying
• 19:14
  Speaker 8: to figure out where the buckles are. You've got clothing,
• 19:17
  Speaker 8: you've got a jacket, you have a blanket that's blocking.
• 19:20
  Speaker 8: It's just the word nightmare is very appropriate. That's the
• 19:24
  Speaker 8: situation that you're going into and you're working against the clock.
• 19:28
  Speaker 8: You're trying and we've all done this. We've all tried
• 19:31
  Speaker 8: to do things very very quickly or fast, and you
• 19:35
  Speaker 8: make mistakes. So you have to slow down to be
• 19:39
  Speaker 8: more effective. But you want to be moving as quickly
• 19:42
  Speaker 8: as possible to also be effective, and you know you're
• 19:45
  Speaker 8: racing against the clock. You're hoping you can get this
• 19:48
  Speaker 8: person out, this child out, you know, to do life
• 19:52
  Speaker 8: saving measures, and you're fighting against all of these hazards.
• 19:55
  Speaker 8: You're fighting against the dark water and nothing. I've read
• 20:00
  Speaker 8: that they were on scuba. It was, you know, people
• 20:02
  Speaker 8: just coming in and jumping up and down. So they're
• 20:04
  Speaker 8: doing this while holding their breath and trying to do
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: this and then having to go back up and then
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: breathe and breathe and breathe and go back down. Sticking
• 20:11
  Speaker 8: your head inside of a car, you know, is dangerous.
• 20:14
  Speaker 8: You can get stuck, and if you're doing it on
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: a breath hold, it's a horrible situation. In my hat
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: is off to any person that did that. They were
• 20:22
  Speaker 8: brave and they took control of the situation and they
• 20:26
  Speaker 8: were trying to save a life. And my hat is
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: truly off to those people that did that.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: Now, I'm just trying to take in what you just said.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Ben Dobrin.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Dobrin Er, Emergency Response Diving instructor, instructor, trainer, police diver,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Emergency Services diver. You're right, it's actually easier if you're
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: equipped with a dive suit than to free dive, in
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: other words, without any air sustaining equipment. You can only
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: be in as under the water as long as you
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: can hold your breath and you're in the waters. My
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: understanding that the suz was upside down with the little
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: girl hanging suspended upside down from her seat belt. You
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: have to go in and you see the little girl
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: amidst what you just said, the box of Kleenex, the shoes,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: the jacket, all the things that children travel with in
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: the car. It's all floating around, and then you see her.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: But you can only stay under for so long. I mean,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: how long then can you stay underwater without coming up
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: for air.
• 21:37
  Speaker 8: You know, if you sit in a pool and hold
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: your breath and are really calm, you know you can
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: hold it for thirty seconds a minute. Whoever, that's not
• 21:44
  Speaker 8: the situation. They're diving down into a stressful situation. I
• 21:47
  Speaker 8: didn't know the car was upside down. Upside down is
• 21:49
  Speaker 8: a whole different ball game. So they're having to pull
• 21:51
  Speaker 8: themselves down to the window or to the door. You
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: burn up your air very quickly. If they could do
• 21:57
  Speaker 8: this for thirty seconds or forty five seconds out of time,
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: I'd be impressed. You know, your body is burning through
• 22:03
  Speaker 8: all that oxygen. Your body is saying you have to breathe,
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: you have to breathe, and you can't do it, and
• 22:09
  Speaker 8: they're burning it. They're under stressed. They're using their muscles,
• 22:11
  Speaker 8: they're physically pulling themselves down to look in that car.
• 22:15
  Speaker 8: The seat is not where you expected. An upside down car,
• 22:18
  Speaker 8: upside down anything, everything. Our brains are not wired to
• 22:21
  Speaker 8: handle things upside down, So their brains are trying to
• 22:25
  Speaker 8: look for a car seat and a car that's a normal,
• 22:28
  Speaker 8: you know, up upright. They were in a horrible situation
• 22:33
  Speaker 8: trying to do this, but they're burning through that. You know,
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: if you hold your breath you can't do it very
• 22:37
  Speaker 8: long sitting still. They weren't sitting still, and so it's
• 22:41
  Speaker 8: impressive that they did that.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: Guys, what more do we know?
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I can imagine the EMT's jumping in the water, and
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: the dead of night, the neighbor shows up screaming, where's
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: the little girl? Where's the little girl? Mommy is gone
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: taking a bath. It's beyond comprehension.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: Listen to this.
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: I can't get it out of my head. So every
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: time I close my eyes, as all I can see
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: it's a little girl coming out of the water with.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Four year old Reagan heron in the back of an ambulance.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Deputies search for the mother, the driver of the car
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: at Juliet Acosta, even though her uncle lives nearby. A
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Costa is found at a nearby residence, reportedly taking a
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: bath while her daughter is still missing.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: From CBS thirteen Sacramento. Nina Burns is joining me reporter
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: k VRCBS thirteen. They're in Sacramento, Nina, Uh, where is
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: the report coming from that cops found her taking a bath?
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Still waiting for that answer.
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: They told us if it was in the uncle's house
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: nearby resident. I mean this did hacken happen in Hickman,
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: which is only about fifteen minutes away.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: From her hometown Oakdale, So she could have had a friend.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: We're not sure.
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: The defense attorney in the DA neither of us are
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: exactly telling us where she was taking that bath, just
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: as she was taking a bath.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Also trying to figure out how deep the canal is,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Nana at that juncture, because it can be It can
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: be very deep twenty thirty feet deep at one spot
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: and less so at another spot.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: We understand the car was upside down? Is that correct.
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: We have heard as well from the DA that the
• 24:20
  Speaker 7: car was not upright. Now I'm not sure if it
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: was exactly upside down on its side.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: We just know it was not upright.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: So Ben Dobrin, how would that add to the confusion
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: of the e mts of the cars upside down and
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: the child's hanging upside down?
• 24:33
  Speaker 8: That add a lot of confusions. You know, your brain
• 24:35
  Speaker 8: is wired. We see things every day. We see cars upright,
• 24:38
  Speaker 8: we see people, you know, babies in car seats, and
• 24:41
  Speaker 8: a particular you know, orientation upside down changes everything. And
• 24:45
  Speaker 8: then in dark water, you know you're feeling around, We
• 24:48
  Speaker 8: naturally feel on the floor for the seat. We put
• 24:51
  Speaker 8: our hand on the floor and ride rub our hand
• 24:53
  Speaker 8: up to the seat. Once we're in the seat, and
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: then we're gonna be searching for the car seat. Once
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: we find the car seat, we're gonna be looking for
• 24:58
  Speaker 8: the buckles. That tation change and now I'm not searching
• 25:01
  Speaker 8: on the floor, I'm searching on the ceiling basically for
• 25:05
  Speaker 8: that car seat. And so it just changes everything. Your
• 25:08
  Speaker 8: mindset has to completely change. And one of the things,
• 25:11
  Speaker 8: you know, the cars, when cars go in the water,
• 25:14
  Speaker 8: you know, it depends on what type of car is
• 25:15
  Speaker 8: the Most cars have an engine in the front that
• 25:18
  Speaker 8: will sink first, depending on the type of car. You know,
• 25:21
  Speaker 8: car with a trunk, the trunk will float for a while,
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: and suv doesn't have a trunk, but you're going to
• 25:26
  Speaker 8: have an air bubble that will make it float for
• 25:28
  Speaker 8: a while, and then when it starts to settle, they
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: usually don't settle on all four tires. A lot of
• 25:33
  Speaker 8: times they will roll over just because of the orientation.
• 25:36
  Speaker 8: That motor goes down first, and then it'll just roll
• 25:39
  Speaker 8: onto its roof. That's a very common thing for cars
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: when they go in the water, depending on the depth
• 25:46
  Speaker 8: of the water. If the water shallow enough, you know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 8: shallower than the length of the car. Oftentimes when that
• 25:53
  Speaker 8: the motor will hit before while the back end is
• 25:55
  Speaker 8: still floating, so then it will just rest on the
• 25:58
  Speaker 8: four tires. But if it's deeper, very often they will
• 26:01
  Speaker 8: roll and like you just said, sometimes they'll roll on
• 26:05
  Speaker 8: the roof, but a lot of times they'll just roll
• 26:06
  Speaker 8: on their side, which makes it even more difficult because
• 26:09
  Speaker 8: now you're going down into a car and looking you
• 26:13
  Speaker 8: don't have access to both sides of the doors. You
• 26:15
  Speaker 8: only have the doors that are exposed on what is
• 26:17
  Speaker 8: now the top end. So I mean the orientation of
• 26:20
  Speaker 8: the car makes it, you know, an unknown is what
• 26:22
  Speaker 8: you're going to find. And so whether it's on its
• 26:25
  Speaker 8: roof or on its side, it makes it very difficult
• 26:27
  Speaker 8: for people coming in, especially if those people are free diving.
• 26:30
  Speaker 8: That just is an extreme situation.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: I can't get it out of my head. So yeah,
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: the time you close my eyes, as all I can
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: see it's a little girl coming out of the water.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: Our friends CBS thirteen.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: Sacramented police responding to a vehicle submerged in a Modesto
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: area Canal are stunned to find a young girl trapped inside,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: but no adult in sight. The child's mother, twenty six
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: year old Juliet Acosta, is later found intoxicated in a bathtub.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Amts desperately performed CPR on four year old girl Reagan
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: and then load her into an ambulance and race her
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: to the hospital.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: This is what happens.
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: Juliet Acosta is not at the accident, is seen when
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: deputies and rescue personnel arrive as her daughter is still
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: trapped in her car seat underwater. Acosta has gone to
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: a nearby home and reportedly when deputies arrive, she's taking
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: a bath. Acosta is arrested in charge with felony dui
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: when she's found to be nearly three times over the
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: legal blood alcohol limit. Her daughter, four year old Reagan Heron,
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: dies the next day at an area hospital. Acosta is
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: initially jailed in the felony dui charge and released on bond.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Moms plus children, plus car plus water the seminal case,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: combining all of those into a deadly recipe.
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: This good, my love. That is a lady.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: You come on Onda and some guy, a gentleman, to
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: a red light with her car with her two kids
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: in it. It tookf and she got out of call
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: here at Ohio.
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: In her call it I don't see your vehicle.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I need to go along down here, Susan Smith. Her
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: name will live in infamy forever. There's so many, there
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: are almost two many to count. Of course, there's Ebony
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Wilkerson can't have the conversation without throwing her in.
• 28:33
  Speaker 14: Different video captures the moments a mini van drifts deeper
• 28:37
  Speaker 14: and deeper into the Atlantic off Daytona beach. Inside the van,
• 28:41
  Speaker 14: a pregnant mom and her three small children. Witnesses say
• 28:45
  Speaker 14: the vehicle was moving along the water's edge, then suddenly
• 28:49
  Speaker 14: plunged into the ocean. The children can be heard screaming,
• 28:52
  Speaker 14: help help us. By Standers rush toward the scene, pulling
• 28:56
  Speaker 14: two children out before realizing there is a baby in
• 29:00
  Speaker 14: her seat. The children tell police Mom tried to kill us.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: F f from our friends at ID Investigation, Discovery and
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: of course Diane Schuler.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: I have a family here that thinks that they might
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: have a medical emergency of their sister. There's three kids
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: in the car.
• 29:15
  Speaker 7: Five are trying to locate her.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: The girls just called in distressed.
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: She said that the ants is driving very radically. We
• 29:21
  Speaker 8: think she's sick, and we're trying to.
• 29:24
  Speaker 14: Locate the kids.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: She lives, the children die joining me.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: In addition to the guest you met so far, doctor
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Angela Arnold, a renowned psychiatrist in the Atlanta jurisdiction at
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Angela Arnold md dot com, Doctor Angie, thank you for
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: being with us. The mixture of Mom's cars alcohol, it
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: never goes away.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: It happens over and over and over. Dottr Angie, I.
• 29:48
  Speaker 11: Know, I mean the people and every time we hear
• 29:52
  Speaker 11: a story like this, it's heart Riching. There is a
• 29:56
  Speaker 11: comment that I would like to make about the child
• 29:59
  Speaker 11: being wrapped in the car seat Nancy, who put the
• 30:03
  Speaker 11: child in the car seat? Because if that mother straps
• 30:06
  Speaker 11: the baby in the car seat, then she knew enough
• 30:09
  Speaker 11: to put the baby in the car seat, even in
• 30:13
  Speaker 11: her drunken state. So what made her forget about the
• 30:16
  Speaker 11: baby between the time she put the baby in the
• 30:19
  Speaker 11: car seat and she crashed the car. No one's talked
• 30:24
  Speaker 11: about that.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Joe Scott Morgan with me, death investigator, Professor Forensics Jacksonville
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: starvia Hitting You series Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: I would say you've probably performed over one thousand death
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: scene investigations. Could you explain what the child goes through
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: in a drowning? Many people believe drowning is the single
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: worst death possible, much less.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: For a four year old child. Joe Scott.
• 31:09
  Speaker 13: Yeah, we're talking about a vehicle that has inverted, Nancy.
• 31:12
  Speaker 13: So it's on the roof. Just imagine, if you will,
• 31:16
  Speaker 13: You're laying on a table on your back and your
• 31:18
  Speaker 13: head is hanging off of it. Someone takes a picture
• 31:21
  Speaker 13: of water and pours it directly into your nostrils and
• 31:25
  Speaker 13: into your mouth. That's the position she would have been in, Nancy,
• 31:29
  Speaker 13: because water is going to seek the lowest point of
• 31:32
  Speaker 13: gravity in that vehicle. It's not like some movie where
• 31:36
  Speaker 13: you have this air bubble above the head and people
• 31:38
  Speaker 13: are kind of gasping for air up there as the
• 31:40
  Speaker 13: water rises. That's not going to be the case. And
• 31:43
  Speaker 13: one more thing about this. Do you remember you had
• 31:46
  Speaker 13: mentioned early on, I know you do, where she apparently
• 31:49
  Speaker 13: struck a utility pole prior to going in the canal.
• 31:53
  Speaker 13: That's going to compromise the structural integrity of the vehicle.
• 31:57
  Speaker 13: So now I don't know for a fact, but she
• 31:59
  Speaker 13: might have a gap in the car already when she
• 32:02
  Speaker 13: goes in. And when we talk about baby Reagan, here,
• 32:05
  Speaker 13: the thing about it is this, upon that initial impact,
• 32:10
  Speaker 13: that child, if she was asleep at that time, she
• 32:13
  Speaker 13: will be awakened with a jolt. She's going to start
• 32:16
  Speaker 13: shallow breathing already out of fear. And then when the
• 32:20
  Speaker 13: car goes into the canal and begins to invert, now
• 32:24
  Speaker 13: she's going to be tasked with trying to fight for
• 32:27
  Speaker 13: her life. While being strapped in and inverted as water
• 32:31
  Speaker 13: begins to fill the cabin. Now, I can tell you
• 32:34
  Speaker 13: this at autopsy. One of the things that we're going
• 32:38
  Speaker 13: to see with this child is that her lungs will
• 32:42
  Speaker 13: be heavier than normal. And here's something that people don't
• 32:45
  Speaker 13: think about as well. There would be water actually in
• 32:49
  Speaker 13: her stomach because she's going to be ingesting water. She's
• 32:53
  Speaker 13: gulping like this, just trying to do anything she can
• 32:56
  Speaker 13: to survive, and of course there's no way that she
• 32:59
  Speaker 13: can being in this compromise position.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: How long would she have lingered there? J Scott calling
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: out for her mother with the water coming up around her.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: I mean I always think of Susan Smith's boys as
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: the water came up, people could I mean, they apparently
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: were screaming for their mother.
• 33:20
  Speaker 13: Yeah, and those kids were strapped, they were upright. Remember
• 33:23
  Speaker 13: her car went down the ramp, she just kind of
• 33:26
  Speaker 13: let it glide down into that lake. It's not the
• 33:29
  Speaker 13: case with Reagan. This was a very violent event that happened,
• 33:32
  Speaker 13: and the car kind of twisted in the air and
• 33:36
  Speaker 13: in the water, and so it winds up this way.
• 33:39
  Speaker 13: I would estimate that it would not have been I
• 33:43
  Speaker 13: want to be very clear about this. She's not going
• 33:45
  Speaker 13: to immediately lose consciousness. And the reason I know that
• 33:48
  Speaker 13: is she's strapped in a car seat. So unless the
• 33:51
  Speaker 13: integrity of the vehicle is so compromised that she sustains
• 33:54
  Speaker 13: blunt force trauma and strikes her head, she's going to
• 33:58
  Speaker 13: be awake during this Nancy certain point when she begins
• 34:01
  Speaker 13: to lose consciousness. I'm thinking probably top end, maybe about
• 34:06
  Speaker 13: a minute to minute thirty seconds. Remember, her little lungs
• 34:09
  Speaker 13: don't have the same capacity as ours do.
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: Expecting to arrest Juliet Acosta in Stanislaus County, the California
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: Highway Patrol tries to serve a nobail warrant for second
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: degree murder. A Coosta has been free on bail on
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: the DUI charge, and investigators don't find her in Stanislaus
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: County as expected. Chief Deputy District Attorney Wendall Emerson says
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: investigators apprehended a Costa at a San Francisco hotel as
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: she is trying to flee the area. A Costa's father,
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: in Clifford, Acosta Junior, is detained on suspicion of aiding
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: his daughter's flight. Acusta's attorney Gil Samara says his client
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: was not on the run.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Kyle, lawyer's got.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: A lot more to worry about than his client hold
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: up in a hotel with her dad on the run.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: That from our friends at CBS thirteen is Sacramento. So
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: the lawyer is focusing on she was not attempting to flee.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: That's completely false. Why would you say that? Okay, then
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: why she hold up in the hotel in a different city?
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: And then he focuses on another issue? Or is he
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: not focusing on the fact that four year old Reagan
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: is dead?
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: But listen to this.
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: Julie had A Costa's attorney, Gil Samara deny she was
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: taking a bath after the accident, claiming the timeline is
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: almost impossible, telling the Independent quote time wise, you can't
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: go take a bath while your daughter's drowning.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: So I don't quite get it.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Derek Smith, you're the veteran trial lawyer, defense attorney. Why
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: is the attorney focusing on she didn't flee the same
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: she did not and I will convince a jury she
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: did not take a bath. Okay, what about driving drunk
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: and killing your daughter? Shouldn't that be his priority?
• 35:41
  Speaker 8: Well?
• 35:41
  Speaker 12: Yeah, but we're talking about, you know, intent and culpability here.
• 35:45
  Speaker 12: If you're running, if you're fleeing, you're alluding to the
• 35:48
  Speaker 12: point that you might have some kind of liability or
• 35:51
  Speaker 12: some criminal intents here. But if you're just going to
• 35:55
  Speaker 12: focus on the fact that, hey, you know, she wasn't
• 35:57
  Speaker 12: taking a bath, she wasn't fleeing, she wasn't a right
• 36:00
  Speaker 12: you can start to build a defense around intent, around
• 36:03
  Speaker 12: what her mental state was during the accident, during I
• 36:07
  Speaker 12: guess prior to drinking, while she was drinking, or other
• 36:10
  Speaker 12: circumstances around that. But if you can create some kind
• 36:14
  Speaker 12: of narrative within the public or within the prosecution, No,
• 36:19
  Speaker 12: she wasn't fleeing. She was just doing what she had
• 36:21
  Speaker 12: to do to kind of come to grips with the
• 36:23
  Speaker 12: fact that her daughter is gone, because that's the main tragedy.
• 36:26
  Speaker 12: Hear that she had a beautiful child that.
• 36:28
  Speaker 8: Is not with us anymore.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, So as they go to arrest her on a
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: nobel warrant on second degree murder, they find her slung
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: a hiding out at a San Francisco hotel. Okay, Bill Garcia,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: how far would that be away from the canal crash?
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: If she's in a hotel in San Francisco.
• 36:48
  Speaker 9: Yeah, this sence, it's right about one hundred miles, so
• 36:51
  Speaker 9: it's quite a significant distance.
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  Speaker 13: From the Oakdale area.
• 36:57
  Speaker 9: And I'm not really sure why was that far from
• 37:01
  Speaker 9: her home.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: And what they want to put Please, I just have
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: to see Bill Garcia. Bill, you don't know why she
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: was hold up in a hotel?
• 37:10
  Speaker 9: No, And that's a significant distance away from where she
• 37:13
  Speaker 9: lived and from where the incident occurred. So there has
• 37:18
  Speaker 9: to be some kind of reason why she was that
• 37:20
  Speaker 9: far away and why she was with me.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're telling me you don't think you know
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: the reason. She leaves the scene where her daughter is
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: dying upside down in her suv in a canal as
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: the water slowly engulfs the little baby. Everybody else is
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: out there trying to save the baby while she's taking
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: a warm bath. And now, I mean, Bill, have you
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: ever heard this phrase when you don't know a horse,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: look at her track record. When you don't know what
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: somebody's going to do, look at what they've already done.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: She's already fled the scene with her daughter dying years old.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: So you're telling me the straight face, you don't know
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: why she was snugged up in a hotel over an
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: hour away near a major airport.
• 38:09
  Speaker 9: As an investigator, I do have my suspicions as to
• 38:13
  Speaker 9: why she was doing it.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: And what only my stars man, I'm a JD, not
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: a DDS. I can't pulltate. Why please blurt it out.
• 38:21
  Speaker 9: Well, she's trying to get away from the situation. And
• 38:25
  Speaker 9: whether she was trying to flee to a different region,
• 38:28
  Speaker 9: another country, we don't know. But all of these things
• 38:31
  Speaker 9: put together do show the intent that she was trying
• 38:35
  Speaker 9: to flee.
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: The day Scott Peterson is arrested, he has dyed his
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: brown hair blonde and grown out of goatee. His Mercedes
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: is stuff with survival gear, camping gear, several changes of clothing,
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: two driver's license, his and his brothers, four cell phones,
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: fifteen Granny cash, and twelve Viagra pills.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Families trying to help their loved one. In that case,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: it was Scott Peterson. He goes on the run, bleaches
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: his hair, U is a car in his mother's name,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: and Mercedes as I recall with ten thousand dollars cash,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: camping equipment, water filtration equipment, and a technical legal term
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: crap ton of viagra with fake IDs using his brothers.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: I believe driver's license. But the family says, no, no,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: he wasn't fleeing. He just wanted to go play a
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: round of golf and he didn't want the media to
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: follow him. He needs viagra for that family helping their
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: loved one. In this case, the father is found with
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: the so called duy moms. Juliet Acosta joining me, as
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: you know from CBS thirteen kov R Nina Burns, Nina,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: what have you learned?
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: You were in court yesterday? What did you learn?
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: I did talk to Acosta's defense attorney, who told me,
• 39:55
  Speaker 7: for starters, the reason she was in San Francisco was
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: she was accompanying her father on business trip, his business.
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: She wanted to be a family, That's what she was there.
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: And he says his qualm with the DA then releasing
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: the stement that she was trying to flee, is that
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: he was informed the day before that she was going
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: to be charged with second degree murder. He told them
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: she would turn herself in at eight am on Friday.
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: They came in much earlier to San Francisco that Friday
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: and then arrested her.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Nina, I'm sure you've heard the name Sean Combs. He
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: was going to turn himself into but the fans arrested
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: him at a five star hotel for a reason.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: They thought he was going to flee.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: So I appreciate what the father is doing here, but
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: do you recall the two gorgeous Kansas moms that were
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: on their way to pick up children for a children's
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: birthday party as Veronica Butler and Jilly and Kelly. They
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: were brutally murdered over a custody issue by who family members?
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: What Emily won't do to save their loved one. Was
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: dad really on a business trip? Well, I'm sure we'll
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: find out. Nana Burns, where does the case stand now?
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: It's started off with just a felony dui and then
• 41:12
  Speaker 7: she was arrested on second degree murder. Right now, the
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: DA off the record has some ideas and why they're
• 41:20
  Speaker 7: going to nail her for that. But the defense attorney
• 41:23
  Speaker 7: also says that you know, in his exact words for
• 41:27
  Speaker 7: Beatam is that the dui felony charge was already a
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: horrible felony charge. Adding a second degree murder charge doesn't
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: really change much.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: We wait as justice sun falls. Nancy Grace signing off
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: goodbye friend,