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Normally Podcast: BREAKING: Graham Platner Scandal Explodes: Democrats Turn, New Allegations Surface & the Future of Maine’s Senate Race · Normally

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  Speaker 1: Hey, guys, we are back on normally the show with normally.
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  Speaker 2: She takes but when the news gets weird.
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  Speaker 1: I am Mary capin Ham on a special episode because
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  Speaker 1: we got some breaking news.
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  Speaker 2: How's it going, Hi?
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  Speaker 3: And I am Carol Markowitz.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: We had to do a special episode because our friend
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  Speaker 3: Graham Platner in Maine is in some trouble and we
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  Speaker 3: wanted to talk about it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We've talked about this a lot in the past, partially because,
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  Speaker 1: as I frequently disclose, I am personal friends with Lindsay Fifield,
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  Speaker 1: who was the first major accuser of grand Platner. She
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  Speaker 1: accused him of violence within their relationship, although not sexual violence,
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  Speaker 1: and she was sort of nationally dismissed and smeared by
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  Speaker 1: those who assumed she had political motivations. But now we
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  Speaker 1: have another woman named in the New York Times story
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  Speaker 1: who has come forward to Politico with very serious allegations
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  Speaker 1: of sexual assault.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And the thing is is that she alluded to The
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  Speaker 3: New York Times these allegations as well. Did she flat
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  Speaker 3: out tell the Times?
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  Speaker 2: Do we know that? So?
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  Speaker 1: From my understanding, the Times knew that there was more
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  Speaker 1: to that story. I don't know how explicit she got.
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  Speaker 1: She My understanding is that she maybe told it off
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  Speaker 1: the record to them, but did.
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  Speaker 2: Not want to come forward as a.
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  Speaker 1: Rape victim, which is what she accuses her. She says
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  Speaker 1: that on a drunken night in twenty twenty one, he
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  Speaker 1: came into her house, let her into, let himself into
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  Speaker 1: her house when she had asked him not to come,
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  Speaker 1: and then forcibly raped her, and she realized she was
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  Speaker 1: in a situation where she could not fight him off
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  Speaker 1: and was potentially even more unsafe than she already was,
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  Speaker 1: And that he fell asleep afterwards, and she didn't even
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  Speaker 1: she didn't have him leave the house and kick him
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  Speaker 1: out because she was afraid he would drive drunk and
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  Speaker 1: hurt someone. I mean, the whole thing is very graphic,
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  Speaker 1: it's very detailed. Yes, she had given some of those
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  Speaker 1: detail to New York Times. And also my understanding is
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  Speaker 1: that the New York Times leveraged that story, which was
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  Speaker 1: then off the road, to tell Lindsey, see, it's okay
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  Speaker 1: to go on the record. You'll be the least of
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  Speaker 1: the accusations in this story.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, That's the thing is that they used her story
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  Speaker 3: to get Lindsay and then did such a disservice to
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  Speaker 3: Lindsay that it's you know, journalistic malpractice. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: we're so used to it, we don't even think of
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  Speaker 3: it as like, do you have any hope of The
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  Speaker 3: New York Times like apologizing or rewriting anything or issuing
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  Speaker 3: any kind of statement. No, because they don't care about us,
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  Speaker 3: So we're not part of their thing, and they are
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  Speaker 3: not going to care that Lindsay got you know, played
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  Speaker 3: the way that she did by them. Alex Berenson writes,
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  Speaker 3: this may get very ugly for New York Times. A
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  Speaker 3: victim of sexual misconduct at minimum by Graham Plattner explains
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  Speaker 3: in detail how she provided the Times the evidence it
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  Speaker 3: could have used to corroborate her story, and how the
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  Speaker 3: Times or this is deep journalistic malfeasans. I have no
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  Speaker 3: faith that this will get ugly at all of the
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  Speaker 3: New York Times. I don't think they're going to have
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  Speaker 3: any blowback whatsoever from the left. And I'm seeing from
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  Speaker 3: the left that we didn't believe Lindsay. But this new
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  Speaker 3: accuser is one of us, and therefore we will take
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  Speaker 3: her seriously.
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  Speaker 1: Right, she's credible in a way that Lindsay was not.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, One of the reasons that Jenny Rassico, I
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  Speaker 1: believe is how you pronounce her last name, came forward
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  Speaker 1: despite being a liberal who was like, I understand why
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  Speaker 1: people are backing this man, but you got to know
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  Speaker 1: the full story. Is basically her reason for coming forward.
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  Speaker 1: But one of the reasons she came forward is because
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  Speaker 1: she watched the story become Lindsay's possible political motivations, and
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  Speaker 1: it sounds like it ticked her off. Yeah, and she
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  Speaker 1: was like, this should not be the center of this story.
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  Speaker 1: But the New York Times very deliberately made that the
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  Speaker 1: center of that story, with I believe eleven paragraphs about
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay's professional background and one paragraph given to Resco, who
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  Speaker 1: said in twenty twenty one, he arrived at her house
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  Speaker 1: drunk after she had asked him not to come over.
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  Speaker 1: She declined to elaborate, but said she cut off contact
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  Speaker 1: soon after that episode and found his behavior reckless and unsettling.
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  Speaker 1: There was plenty of ellipses there for me to glean
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  Speaker 1: what happened, and I think the New York Times had more.
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  Speaker 2: And she did elaborate right, or she would have. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that they weren't interested in getting to the Bob.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to pursue that. So the question now
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  Speaker 3: becomes is he going to drop out? And there's obviously
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  Speaker 3: Mom Dannie came out against him today and he's sort
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  Speaker 3: of considered somehow the head of this party at this point.
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  Speaker 3: Elizabeth Warren called for him to drop yesterday. Bernie Sanders,
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  Speaker 3: as of this recording, has not said anything but a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of you know, all these people who were defending
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  Speaker 3: him very very recently Rolecanna, are now saying that he
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  Speaker 3: should drop out.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 3: The thing is that he could easily not drop out,
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  Speaker 3: and you're going to see all of these people line
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  Speaker 3: back up to support him.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, So I said today on Fox I wouldn't count
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  Speaker 1: on him dropping out quickly. He put up a video
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  Speaker 1: where he said we're exploring the path forward. It was
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  Speaker 1: not a defiant video, right, which seems to lead people
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  Speaker 1: to think he might eminently drop out. I wouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: so positive, only because this is a man who had
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  Speaker 1: his wife do a straight to camera selfie video response
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  Speaker 1: to his sexting scandal, which was very real, and that
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  Speaker 1: is a brazenness that I think might end in him
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  Speaker 1: trying to extract things from the party to get him
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  Speaker 1: off this ticket. Has Bernie Sanders yet come out and rescinded.
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  Speaker 3: His as of this recording, I have not seen that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so I don't think he has. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: Bernie's got a nice old chip on his show shoulder.
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  Speaker 1: It would not surprise me if the two of them
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  Speaker 1: are working out what they could get out of this
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  Speaker 1: party for the ousting of yet another we must point
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  Speaker 1: out voter chosen person with a lot of baggage who
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  Speaker 1: is a socialist in the model they wish to elect,
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  Speaker 1: and the party now is very happy to oust him
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  Speaker 1: and then install, just as they did with Kamala Harris,
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  Speaker 1: one of their choosing because they still have time to
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  Speaker 1: do that.
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  Speaker 3: Right so on ex Sonny Wright tweets Democrats demanded that
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  Speaker 3: Ralph Northam resign over his black face scandal too. He
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  Speaker 3: said no, and Democrats got over it and went back
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  Speaker 3: to supporting him.
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  Speaker 2: That's correct.
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  Speaker 3: Platner stays, they'll get over all little things like rape
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  Speaker 3: and him being a Nazi. They'll pour in money and
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  Speaker 3: demand people hold noses. They'll even do He's seeking redemption.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what's so beautiful about America media stories. Now,
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  Speaker 3: I could totally see all of that happening. But I
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  Speaker 3: have heard, and I know a lot of other people
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  Speaker 3: have heard, that there is more coming, that this is
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  Speaker 3: not even the worst thing on the docket. And I
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  Speaker 3: think that if I've heard that, you know, our our
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  Speaker 3: friend comfortably smug alluded to it yesterday on Twitter, I
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  Speaker 3: think that the people who are unendorsing him clearly have
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  Speaker 3: heard about it too, and they're thinking, I better get
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  Speaker 3: out now. So if he stays in, I don't know
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  Speaker 3: that they do end up. I mean, maybe I'm being naive,
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  Speaker 3: Maybe I'm giving the Democrats too much of a benefit
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  Speaker 3: of the doubt, because I think that they know that
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  Speaker 3: more shoes will drop.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 3: Again, it's July seventh as we're recording this. The elections
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  Speaker 3: in November. If Susan Collins has stuff on Graham plattn
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  Speaker 3: or she's not releasing it in July. This is not
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  Speaker 3: from Susan Collins. This is all from you know, either
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  Speaker 3: from the Democratic Primary or from the Democratic Party itself
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  Speaker 3: wants him out in time to replace him on the ballot.
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  Speaker 1: No, that was the silliness of the accusation of Lindsay
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  Speaker 1: was if Lindsay Fifield is a GOP plant right, Why
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  Speaker 1: is she coming out in June before your primary so
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  Speaker 1: that you could do something about it?
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  Speaker 3: Right exactly? I mean that was the whole thing, is
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  Speaker 3: that it made no sense that she would do that
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  Speaker 3: in June, and yet she was considered this right wing plant.
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  Speaker 3: So if Susan Collins has more on him, and I
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  Speaker 3: think that she probably does, she's gonna hold it till
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  Speaker 3: October and then release it then. So I don't know
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  Speaker 3: that the Democrats get back on board because I think
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  Speaker 3: they know more is coming.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the thing about Platner.
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  Speaker 1: Though he has believed that he's totally fine throughout, he
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  Speaker 1: continues to believe he's fine, like he didn't. He didn't
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  Speaker 1: immediately go oh oh, this is the end for me yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: There is potential for him to just brazen it out
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  Speaker 1: and say, right, I believe what I'm selling. You guys
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  Speaker 1: don't believe what I'm selling. Perhaps you don't believe in
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  Speaker 1: the Great Cause enough. Because he was telling the New
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  Speaker 1: York Times reporters the Democratic Caucus over and over again,
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  Speaker 1: there's nothing out there. In fact, not only is there
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  Speaker 1: nothing out there, I'm friends with all my exes. That
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  Speaker 1: is what he told reporters, right, and I think he
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  Speaker 1: believes it. I think that's what makes him a believable candidate,
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  Speaker 1: is that he thinks he's super cool with ladies.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's yeah. I mean the thing is that the
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  Speaker 3: New York Times believed it too, and a lot of
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  Speaker 3: his supporters believed it, and they want him to be
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  Speaker 3: this working class hero and he's just not that guy
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  Speaker 3: at all. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't guess.
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  Speaker 1: Run through because I think it's always important. I don't
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  Speaker 1: have a problem with even when it's my friend who
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  Speaker 1: is involved. I don't have a problem with people weighing
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  Speaker 1: motivations evidence. I think that's really important, and I think
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  Speaker 1: it's important even when I believe my friend. So in
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay's case, I ran through the four things that I
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  Speaker 1: do to decide whether an allegation is credible. And I've
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  Speaker 1: been doing this the whole me Too era, because during
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  Speaker 1: the med Too era, no one seemed to have a
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  Speaker 1: standard that was consistent, and I was like, I should
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  Speaker 1: have one, so mine where Okay, let's look at four things.
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  Speaker 1: Is there a named accuser, Are there physical details and
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  Speaker 1: corroborations that make it clear these two people knew each
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  Speaker 1: other and were in the same space, at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: Three were there contemporaneous reports not necessarily to police, but
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  Speaker 1: to people and friends before this person was a national figure.
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  Speaker 1: And then four, does this person have a demonstrated MO
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  Speaker 1: that it leads to believe that these things a series
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  Speaker 1: of things could be true. Kavanaugh had one of those,
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  Speaker 1: which was a named accuser. That's their gold standard, right,
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  Speaker 1: there was never any of the other three elements. We
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  Speaker 1: don't even know that those two met each other. And
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  Speaker 1: there was in fact countervailing right, Yeah, there was countervailing evidence,
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  Speaker 1: and they pressured her friend to say she remembered things
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  Speaker 1: that she didn't remember. In Lindsay's case, there were three
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  Speaker 1: if you didn't count an MO. But guess what you
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  Speaker 1: have with Jenny on the record. You have an MO
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  Speaker 1: of a man who gets drunk, crosses boundaries, and forcibly
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  Speaker 1: puts women into bedrooms where they don't want to be.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty decent. And all of these both of these
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  Speaker 1: stories have corroboration. From before he was a senate candidate.
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  Speaker 1: Jenny Rasco was warning a friend who she thought might
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  Speaker 1: be involved with him, to say, like, don't do anything
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  Speaker 1: beyond friends with this guy.
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  Speaker 2: He has problems with consent, like.
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  Speaker 3: Right, that's big, it's big, and motivation, right, I think
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  Speaker 3: the fact is that she has no reason to do this.
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  Speaker 3: It's it is just doing the right thing. And I
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  Speaker 3: think that that's a big part of it. And she
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  Speaker 3: makes you know, she says that the reason she didn't
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  Speaker 3: do it before is because she shares this guy's politics
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  Speaker 3: and she didn't want to destroy his chances, and then
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  Speaker 3: she thought that he's a bad person, and I need
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  Speaker 3: to do this. So you know, the thing is that
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  Speaker 3: the Democratic Party is heading in a really insane direction,
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  Speaker 3: and Republicans are sort of letting them go off that
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  Speaker 3: cliff right now. But I'm always worried, and we've talked
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  Speaker 3: about it on here, that these crazy people can win
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  Speaker 3: and somebody like him. You know what else is interesting.
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  Speaker 3: The two socialists who like recruited him to run, and
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  Speaker 3: they did that interview in the Wall Street Journal where
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  Speaker 3: they just sound deranged. But they hired a firm to
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  Speaker 3: look into his background and they didn't find any of this.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, it's somebody like this could slip in
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  Speaker 3: pretty easily, and we should all be worried about that.
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  Speaker 3: You know, today this isn't about specifically Platiner, but today,
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  Speaker 3: Brianna Joy Gray, you know, far far far left podcaster,
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  Speaker 3: she says, she tweets about AOC. She says AOC ran
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  Speaker 3: cover for genocide is terrible and hostile interviews and at
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  Speaker 3: best is being pushed by Dems, so she can sheep
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  Speaker 3: doll the left, but that doesn't stop certain leftists from
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  Speaker 3: manufacturing consent for her. AOC is no longer left enough,
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  Speaker 3: like that.
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  Speaker 1: Think, and one of her reasons for that would be
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  Speaker 1: she didn't endorse the guy with the Nazi tattoo right
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  Speaker 1: because like just utter stupidity and vileness as long as
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  Speaker 1: it points to. For Brianna Joy Gray, a dislike of
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  Speaker 1: Israel right right, which a Nazi tattoo does indicate sort
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  Speaker 1: of a tell like it's all fine. In fact, I
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  Speaker 1: would argue many of these candidates outright anti Semitism is
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  Speaker 1: a feature not above in animating the left flank of
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  Speaker 1: this party, and they don't want to deal with that.
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  Speaker 1: I had a conversation with John Favreau in May where
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  Speaker 1: I said, you know, he was making an excuse for
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  Speaker 1: the Nazi tattoo and say that there's no indication that
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  Speaker 1: this man has ever been a white supremacist, and like
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  Speaker 1: Why are you guys, Why are you guys coming after
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  Speaker 1: Manor's choice?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 1: And I said, like, I think if one's trying to
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  Speaker 1: figure out if a candidate is sympathetic to Nazis, an
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  Speaker 1: important test would be whether he got a Nazi tattoo
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  Speaker 1: like permanent body art.
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  Speaker 2: And he continues to.
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  Speaker 1: Say that doesn't make any sense, that's a dumb theory
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  Speaker 1: of the.
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  Speaker 2: Case, and I said, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I remain convinced the Nazi tattoo is a useful heuristic
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  Speaker 1: for Dulm and bat in the extreme, and I was correct, right,
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  Speaker 1: And the issue is in the future, are they going
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  Speaker 1: to continue to listen to John Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, of quest they are.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no lessons will be learned at all. And
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  Speaker 3: so the thing about the Platinum accusations now is like
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  Speaker 3: all these people are jumping ship. But the things that
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  Speaker 3: they had on him before, even not just the Nazi tattoo,
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  Speaker 3: And think about how crazy that sentence is. Not just
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  Speaker 3: the fact that he had a Nazi tattoo on his chest,
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  Speaker 3: they had more than that, and they still didn't care.
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  Speaker 3: And I think some of the Reddit posts are completely disqualifying.
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  Speaker 3: He rooted for the enemy, He praised soldiers get American
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  Speaker 3: soldiers being shot. I mean, he had some really gross
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  Speaker 3: commentary and the fact that nobody cared about any of this.
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  Speaker 3: It just, oh, it was youthful things that he said,
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  Speaker 3: oh three years ago. It just it makes no sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes no sense. And a lot of this
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  Speaker 1: stuff happened within the last decade. The other thing that
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: rubs me the wrong way about some of his specific
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: responses is that he's made part of his sympathetic bio
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  Speaker 1: the idea that he had alcohol fueled problematic PTSD accompanied
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  Speaker 1: by blackout drinking on the regular. And then he says,
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  Speaker 1: I categorically deny that any of these things could ever
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  Speaker 1: have happened. Now, in the case of miss Rasko's terrible,
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  Speaker 1: terrible incident that she relays, he passes out and then
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  Speaker 1: the next day she tries to hug her and she says,
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  Speaker 1: do you remember what happened last night? And he does not,
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  Speaker 1: like he can't to count for his behavior.
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  Speaker 3: Right, maybe that's not who you want to put into Senate,
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  Speaker 3: But what do we know?
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  Speaker 2: What do we know?
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  Speaker 3: Especially against moderate Susan Collins, Like they're not fighting some
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  Speaker 3: crazy right winger. They have like the most moderate member
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  Speaker 3: of the US Nate. But that's not enough, And we
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  Speaker 3: have to overlook a Nazi tattoo and rooting for the
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  Speaker 3: enemy and all these gross things that he's done and
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  Speaker 3: now rape in order to accept him as the candidate.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I think one of the things that,
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  Speaker 1: of course I would I would prefer that he had
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  Speaker 1: never been nominated or raised up to this profile, and
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  Speaker 1: that these women had never been through this. However, going
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  Speaker 1: through this is useful for illustrating that on the issue
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  Speaker 1: of white supremacy, or sexual violence or just domestic violence,
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  Speaker 1: as Lindsay alleged, like they were.
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  Speaker 2: Always full of it. Totally, these things don't matter to them.
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  Speaker 1: The idea that a Nazi tattoo is not indicative of
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  Speaker 1: some sort of problematic white supremacy.
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  Speaker 2: It's just the most wacky idea. Like I need something
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  Speaker 2: a little more concrete than that, said John Favreau.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy, and I do think I do appreciate there
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  Speaker 1: are a lot of people online of the sensible left
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  Speaker 1: and center saying it seems like Sheldon Whitehouse and others owe.
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  Speaker 2: Apologies to Lindsay Fifield, who's.
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  Speaker 4: And this is the other thing about New York Times
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  Speaker 4: if The New York Times knew some of the details
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  Speaker 4: of Jenny's story and New Lindsay's story, that's a through
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  Speaker 4: line in the style of behavior over a ten year period.
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  Speaker 2: And they're just like the.
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  Speaker 3: No dot's connected. What is journalism anyway?
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  Speaker 1: Ugh?
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  Speaker 2: I do think just I hope that her.
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  Speaker 1: Rasico getting ticked off and making sure this story gets
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  Speaker 1: out might quell the temptation of journalists to do that
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  Speaker 1: kind of soft landing, catch and kill reporting on this
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  Speaker 1: stuff in the future.
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  Speaker 3: That's right. I look for the public in side, learn
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: lessons here. Don't support a candidate who has all these
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: obvious skeletons in their closet because he's on your side.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: It's just it's not the way to go.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Well, And their answer is always but Trump right, right right,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: And Trump has many liabilities, many many flaws, all of
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: which we have acknowledged in the past. And also one
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  Speaker 1: must contend with the fact that no one else is
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  Speaker 1: Trump like it just politically speaking, is different, as is
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  Speaker 1: the fact that like much like the Kavanaugh stuff, I
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: weigh each and every accusation and some of them are
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  Speaker 1: with merit and some of them are without Like that's
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  Speaker 1: just that's what the left was unwilling to do during
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  Speaker 1: all of me too, and suddenly they got very interested
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: in it during Lindsay Fifield's accusations, right.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: I get a lot of because I defended Pete Hegseth
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  Speaker 3: during his nomination process very openly. I get a lot
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  Speaker 3: of comments about him, like, oh, you didn't care about Hegseth.
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  Speaker 3: His The accusation against him did not sound believable to
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  Speaker 3: me at all, and it.
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  Speaker 2: Also had video evidence.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, to rehash you know what happened there, but going
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: up to his room while her husband was in a
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: different hotel room, I don't know a lot of things
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: there just did not ring true to me at all,
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  Speaker 3: and that's why I supported him despite that accusation. Some
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: accusations are going to be untrue and you can parse
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: them as you want.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I do wish Raska is the best.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: I think you know, she lives main It's a small
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: state with a small population. She said, I didn't really
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: want to be known for this, and now she will be,
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  Speaker 1: and that's not easy.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: No, it's not.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we wish her the very very best. Well, thanks
• 20:41
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• 20:44
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