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BONUS: Understanding the Shift in the styles of Gospel Music · Music Explored Podcast

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  Of
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  course
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  there's
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  been
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  a
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  change
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  in
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  the
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  style
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  of
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  music
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  over
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  the
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  years
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  and
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  since
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  our
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  upbringing
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  in
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  church
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  to
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  now,
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  you
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  could
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  pretty
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  much
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  say
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  it's
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  night
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  and
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  day.
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  But
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  before
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  we
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  do
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  that,
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  I
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  am
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  still
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  curious
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  though.
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  What
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  has
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  this
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  on
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  your
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  mind?
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  So
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  heavy.
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  What
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  do
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  you
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  mean?
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  What
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  has
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  it
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  up?
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  I
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  guess
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  in
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  like
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  in
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  our
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  conversations,
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  this
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  isn't
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  typically
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  something
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  that
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  comes
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  up.
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  So
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  is
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  it
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  just
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  from
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  like
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  being
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  around
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  it
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  that
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  it's
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  kind
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  of.
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  Yeah,
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  just.
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  I've
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  gone
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  to
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  several
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  different
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  churches
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  over
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  the
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  last
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  couple
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  years.
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  Okay.
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  A
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  lot
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  of
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  them.
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  And
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  I've
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  noticed
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  this
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  like
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  uniformity
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  almost
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  this
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  like
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  the
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  same
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  recipe
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  over
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  and
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  over
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  again
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  when
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  it
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  comes
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  to
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  that
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  praise
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  and
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  worship
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  segment.
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  And
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  I
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  think
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  part
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  of
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  it
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  is
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  just
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  the
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  ability
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  to.
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  What's
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  the
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  word?
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  Just
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  the
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  accessibility
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  to
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  it.
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  Just
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  people
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  and
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  I've
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  been
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  asking
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  questions
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  at
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  different
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  churches.
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  A
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  lot
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  of
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  people
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  use
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  one
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  or
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  two
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  different
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  platforms
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  as
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  their
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  go
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  to
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  for
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  CCM
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  music
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  because
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  of
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  just
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  what
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  it's
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  able
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  to
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  provide
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  in
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  terms
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  of
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  just
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  all
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  of
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  the
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  requirements
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  for
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  a
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  professionally
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  sounding
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  worship
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  team
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  or
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  you
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  know,
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  got
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  you
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  group
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  of
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  musicians.
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  Yeah,
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  no,
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  I
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  know
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  what
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  you're
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  saying.
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  Yeah,
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  I
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  was
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  just
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  curious
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  about
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  that.
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  But
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  that
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  makes
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  sense.
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  And
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  especially
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  because
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  I
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  guess
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  I
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  don't
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  say
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  you're
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  a
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  non
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  church
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  goer
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  but
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  like
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  you're
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  not
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  a
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  every
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  Sunday
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  type
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  of
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  guy.
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  Right.
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  Necessarily.
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  So
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  your
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  perspective
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  is
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  interesting
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  and
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  it
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  actually
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  is
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  pretty
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  interesting.
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  But
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  makes
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  sense
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  that
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  you.
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  That
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  you
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  notice
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  that
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  sort
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  of
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  in
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  visiting
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  different
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  churches,
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  seeing
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  the
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  similarity
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  or
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  hearing
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  the
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  similarity
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  in
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  the
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  presentation
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  of
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  the
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  music
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  and
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  then
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  I
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  guess
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  if
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  you're
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  comparing
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  that
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  to
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  what
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  you
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  knew
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  from,
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  I
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  guess,
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  previous
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  days,
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  years.
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  Yeah,
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  yeah.
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  So
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  you
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  could
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  see
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  that.
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  Where
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  do
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  I
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  begin
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  with
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  that
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  though?
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  Because
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  it
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  is
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  a
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  deep
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  one.
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  I
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  mean
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  being
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  in
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  it.
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  I'm
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  sure
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  our
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  sort
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  of
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  like
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  broad
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  picture,
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  big
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  picture
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  views
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  are
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  the
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  same.
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  Like
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  you
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  see
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  whether
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  you're
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  on
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  the.
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  On
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  YouTube
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  or
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  if
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  you're
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  watching
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  churches
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  online
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  or
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  you're
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  visiting
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  local
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  churches
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  almost.
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  I
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  don't
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  even
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  think
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  it
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  matters
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  much
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  where
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  you're
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  located
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  at
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  this
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  point.
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  You
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  do
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  see
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  elements
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  that
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  would
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  make
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  you
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  believe
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  that
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  there's
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  something,
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  there's
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  a
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  blueprint
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  to
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  this
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  whole
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  thing.
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  Right.
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  Like
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  let
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  alone
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  if
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  you
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  close
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  your
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  eyes
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  and
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  listen,
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  what
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  you
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  hear
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  is
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  going
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  to
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  be
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  very
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  similar.
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  Especially
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  when
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  you're
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  talking
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  about
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  like
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  this
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  specific
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  Christian
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  contemporary
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  style
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  of
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  music
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  and
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  style
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  of
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  worship.
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  Yeah,
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  it
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  has
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  a
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  very
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  specific
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  sound
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  and
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  yes,
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  so
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  does
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  gospel
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  music.
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  And
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  people
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  in
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  my
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  circle
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  and
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  way
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  beyond
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  shy
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  away
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  from
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  this
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  conversation
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  just
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  because
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  it
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  almost.
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  It's
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  almost
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  like,
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  as
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  bad
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  as
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  just
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  talking
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  politics
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  in
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  the
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  wrong
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  place.
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  It's
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  just
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  like.
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  It's
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  almost.
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  It's
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  like
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  you're
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  choosing
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  a
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  side.
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  And
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  if
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  you
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  have.
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  What
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  I
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  would
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  say
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  is
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  just.
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  I
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  mean,
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  I
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  have
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  ears,
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  I
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  have
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  eyes,
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  so
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  I
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  have
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  observations,
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  and
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  I
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  have
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  experiences.
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  So
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  in
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  my
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  experience,
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  based
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  on
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  what
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  I'm
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  seeing,
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  I
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  think
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  I
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  could
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  talk
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  freely
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  there
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  and
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  hopefully
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  not
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  offend
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  anybody.
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  And
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  if
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  I
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  do,
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  I'm
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  definitely
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  not
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  out
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  to
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  offend.
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  But
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  just
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  in
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  this
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  conversation
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  alone,
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  I
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  think
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  I've
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  had
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  more
• 3:53
  thoughts
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  than
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  I've
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  said
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  out
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  loud.
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  And
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  I've
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  almost
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  turned
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  back,
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  like,
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  I
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  don't
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  want
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  to
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  talk
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  about
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  this.
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  Seems
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  risky,
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  but
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  it
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  shouldn't
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  because
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  we're
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  just
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  talking
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  about
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  a
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  style
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  of
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  music,
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  which
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  I'm
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  trying
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  to
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  see
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  how
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  I
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  can
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  break
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  this
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  down.
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  So
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  let's
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  start
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  off
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  with
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  maybe
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  the
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  style
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  of
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  the
• 4:06
  music
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  itself,
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  and
• 4:08
  we
• 4:08
  could
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  talk
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  about
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  what
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  I
• 4:09
  see
• 4:09
  and
• 4:10
  what
• 4:10
  you
• 4:10
  see
• 4:10
  and
• 4:11
  might
• 4:11
  be
• 4:11
  interesting.
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  See
• 4:12
  what?
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  Maybe
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  I'm
• 4:13
  missing
• 4:13
  something
• 4:13
  too.
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  Maybe
• 4:14
  you're
• 4:14
  missing
• 4:14
  something,
• 4:14
  but
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  as
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  far.
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  As,
• 4:16
  like,
• 4:16
  this,
• 4:16
  I'm
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  definitely
• 4:17
  missing
• 4:17
  something.
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  Okay,
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  so
• 4:19
  let's
• 4:19
  talk
• 4:19
  about
• 4:19
  this.
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  So
• 4:20
  gospel
• 4:20
  music
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  versus
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  Christian,
• 4:22
  contemporary
• 4:23
  music.
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  What
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  are
• 4:24
  the
• 4:24
  most
• 4:25
  obvious
• 4:25
  differences
• 4:26
  to
• 4:26
  you?
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  That's
• 4:28
  a
• 4:28
  good
• 4:29
  question.
• 4:29
  I
• 4:29
  think
• 4:30
  the.
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  And
• 4:31
  I
• 4:31
  don't
• 4:31
  know
• 4:31
  how
• 4:31
  to
• 4:32
  articulate
• 4:32
  it
• 4:33
  properly.
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  Okay.
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  But
• 4:34
  to
• 4:34
  me,
• 4:35
  there
• 4:35
  seems
• 4:35
  to
• 4:36
  be
• 4:36
  a
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  little
• 4:37
  bit
• 4:37
  more
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  just
• 4:40
  like,
• 4:40
  the
• 4:40
  emotive
• 4:41
  power
• 4:41
  of
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  the
• 4:42
  music,
• 4:42
  you
• 4:42
  know,
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  just.
• 4:43
  It
• 4:44
  does
• 4:44
  something
• 4:45
  on,
• 4:45
  like,
• 4:45
  a
• 4:46
  deeper
• 4:46
  level
• 4:46
  in
• 4:47
  terms
• 4:47
  of
• 4:47
  just
• 4:48
  the
• 4:49
  dynamic
• 4:49
  nature
• 4:50
  of
• 4:50
  black
• 4:50
  gospel
• 4:51
  music.
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  It
• 4:52
  just.
• 4:52
  It
• 4:52
  causes
• 4:52
  like,
• 4:53
  a.
• 4:53
  A
• 4:53
  really
• 4:54
  vibrant
• 4:54
  worship
• 4:55
  experience.
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  You
• 4:56
  feel
• 4:56
  it
• 4:57
  more.
• 4:57
  You
• 4:57
  want
• 4:57
  to
• 4:57
  clap
• 4:58
  your
• 4:58
  hands.
• 4:58
  You
• 4:58
  want
• 4:58
  to
• 4:59
  bounce
• 4:59
  around.
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  I
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  think
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  that
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  to
• 5:01
  me.
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  And
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  I.
• 5:02
  I
• 5:02
  almost
• 5:03
  was.
• 5:03
  I
• 5:03
  don't
• 5:03
  want
• 5:03
  to
• 5:04
  call
• 5:04
  it
• 5:04
  soulless
• 5:05
  because
• 5:05
  I
• 5:05
  don't
• 5:05
  feel
• 5:05
  that's
• 5:06
  fair.
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  But,
• 5:06
  like,
• 5:07
  I
• 5:07
  feel
• 5:07
  like
• 5:07
  there's
• 5:08
  a.
• 5:10
  A
• 5:10
  completely
• 5:11
  different
• 5:11
  feel
• 5:12
  to
• 5:12
  a
• 5:12
  lot
• 5:13
  of
• 5:13
  the
• 5:13
  songs.
• 5:13
  There
• 5:13
  are
• 5:14
  some
• 5:14
  that
• 5:15
  can
• 5:15
  move
• 5:15
  and
• 5:16
  do
• 5:16
  touch,
• 5:17
  you
• 5:17
  know,
• 5:17
  the
• 5:18
  right
• 5:18
  note,
• 5:18
  but
• 5:18
  I
• 5:18
  feel
• 5:19
  like
• 5:19
  a
• 5:19
  lot
• 5:19
  of
• 5:19
  them
• 5:19
  just
• 5:22
  don't
• 5:22
  feel.
• 5:24
  I
• 5:24
  don't
• 5:24
  know
• 5:24
  what
• 5:24
  that
• 5:25
  word
• 5:25
  is.
• 5:25
  It
• 5:26
  feels
• 5:26
  a
• 5:26
  little
• 5:26
  bit
• 5:26
  too,
• 5:27
  like,
• 5:27
  not
• 5:27
  connected.
• 5:28
  Watered
• 5:29
  down.
• 5:29
  Yeah.
• 5:30
  And
• 5:30
  there's
• 5:30
  a
• 5:30
  disconnect
• 5:31
  there
• 5:31
  in
• 5:31
  terms
• 5:32
  of
• 5:32
  just
• 5:32
  like.
• 5:33
  I
• 5:33
  don't
• 5:34
  know.
• 5:34
  Am
• 5:34
  I.
• 5:35
  I
• 5:35
  don't.
• 5:35
  I
• 5:35
  know
• 5:35
  I'm
• 5:36
  not
• 5:36
  saying
• 5:36
  it
• 5:36
  properly,
• 5:37
  and
• 5:37
  I
• 5:37
  feel
• 5:37
  bad
• 5:37
  for
• 5:38
  kind
• 5:38
  of
• 5:38
  jumbling
• 5:38
  it,
• 5:39
  but
• 5:39
  I
• 5:39
  don't
• 5:40
  want
• 5:40
  to
• 5:40
  call
• 5:40
  it
• 5:40
  soulless,
• 5:41
  because
• 5:42
  would
• 5:42
  be
• 5:43
  it.
• 5:43
  That
• 5:43
  might
• 5:43
  come
• 5:44
  off
• 5:44
  as
• 5:44
  offensive,
• 5:44
  but
• 5:46
  I've
• 5:46
  definitely
• 5:47
  find
• 5:49
  a
• 5:49
  lot
• 5:49
  of
• 5:49
  songs.
• 5:50
  Don't
• 5:50
  Touch
• 5:50
  My
• 5:51
  Soul.
• 5:51
  Got
• 5:51
  you.
• 5:52
  And
• 5:52
  then
• 5:52
  there's
• 5:53
  this
• 5:53
  crazy
• 5:54
  thing
• 5:54
  with
• 5:54
  music
• 5:54
  where
• 5:55
  the
• 5:56
  actual
• 5:56
  music,
• 5:57
  like
• 5:57
  the
• 5:57
  instrumentation
• 6:00
  versus,
• 6:00
  like
• 6:01
  the,
• 6:01
  the.
• 6:02
  The
• 6:02
  lyrics
• 6:03
  and
• 6:03
  the
• 6:03
  melody
• 6:05
  need
• 6:05
  to
• 6:05
  connect.
• 6:05
  But
• 6:06
  there
• 6:06
  are
• 6:06
  a
• 6:06
  lot
• 6:06
  of
• 6:06
  dope
• 6:07
  songs,
• 6:07
  like,
• 6:07
  regardless
• 6:08
  of
• 6:08
  what
• 6:08
  genre
• 6:09
  it
• 6:09
  is,
• 6:09
  where
• 6:09
  you're
• 6:09
  like,
• 6:10
  it
• 6:10
  hits
• 6:11
  and
• 6:12
  you
• 6:12
  might
• 6:12
  not
• 6:12
  even
• 6:12
  know
• 6:12
  the
• 6:13
  words.
• 6:13
  Like,
• 6:13
  it's
• 6:13
  just
• 6:14
  like,
• 6:15
  doesn't
• 6:15
  even
• 6:15
  matter.
• 6:16
  Like,
• 6:16
  so
• 6:16
  there's
• 6:17
  that
• 6:17
  too.
• 6:17
  And
• 6:17
  I
• 6:17
  guess
• 6:18
  that's
• 6:18
  probably,
• 6:19
  in
• 6:19
  a
• 6:19
  lot
• 6:19
  of
• 6:20
  ways,
• 6:20
  that's
• 6:20
  probably
• 6:20
  a
• 6:21
  big
• 6:21
  part
• 6:21
  of
• 6:21
  like
• 6:22
  the
• 6:22
  gospel
• 6:23
  music
• 6:23
  that
• 6:24
  you're
• 6:24
  talking
• 6:24
  about
• 6:24
  that
• 6:25
  you
• 6:25
  really
• 6:25
  feel,
• 6:26
  I
• 6:26
  think,
• 6:27
  versus
• 6:28
  I
• 6:29
  hate.
• 6:29
  I
• 6:29
  have
• 6:29
  to
• 6:30
  use
• 6:30
  your
• 6:30
  words
• 6:30
  watered
• 6:31
  down
• 6:31
  version
• 6:32
  because
• 6:32
  I
• 6:33
  guess
• 6:33
  if
• 6:33
  you're
• 6:33
  taking
• 6:33
  it
• 6:34
  gospel
• 6:34
  music
• 6:34
  in
• 6:35
  itself
• 6:35
  as
• 6:36
  music
• 6:36
  is
• 6:36
  more
• 6:36
  complex
• 6:39
  in
• 6:39
  its
• 6:40
  delivery.
• 6:40
  And
• 6:40
  it's
• 6:40
  not
• 6:41
  like
• 6:41
  complicated
• 6:42
  if
• 6:43
  you're.
• 6:43
  If
• 6:44
  that's
• 6:44
  kind
• 6:44
  of
• 6:45
  what
• 6:45
  you've
• 6:45
  grown
• 6:45
  up
• 6:46
  around.
• 6:46
  Like,
• 6:46
  if
• 6:47
  you're
• 6:47
  a
• 6:47
  gospel
• 6:48
  musician,
• 6:48
  if
• 6:48
  you're
• 6:48
  a
• 6:48
  gospel
• 6:49
  singer,
• 6:49
  still
• 6:50
  a
• 6:50
  musician,
• 6:50
  that's
• 6:51
  second
• 6:51
  nature
• 6:51
  to
• 6:52
  you,
• 6:52
  but
• 6:52
  somebody
• 6:53
  who's
• 6:53
  not
• 6:53
  familiar
• 6:54
  with
• 6:54
  it,
• 6:54
  the
• 6:54
  nuances
• 6:55
  of
• 6:55
  it.
• 6:58
  It's
• 6:58
  complicated.
• 6:59
  It's
• 6:59
  a
• 6:59
  lot
• 6:59
  of
• 7:00
  extra
• 7:00
  notes,
• 7:01
  it's
• 7:01
  a
• 7:01
  lot
• 7:01
  of
• 7:01
  extra
• 7:02
  runs,
• 7:02
  riffs
• 7:03
  when
• 7:03
  you're
• 7:03
  singing
• 7:04
  to
• 7:04
  some
• 7:05
  people,
• 7:05
  it's
• 7:05
  a
• 7:05
  lot
• 7:05
  of
• 7:05
  extra
• 7:06
  movement
• 7:06
  on
• 7:06
  the
• 7:07
  stage.
• 7:07
  But
• 7:08
  we've
• 7:08
  talked
• 7:08
  to
• 7:08
  so
• 7:08
  many
• 7:09
  musicians
• 7:09
  and
• 7:09
  probably
• 7:09
  on
• 7:10
  both
• 7:10
  sides,
• 7:10
  like,
• 7:10
  lj,
• 7:11
  who
• 7:11
  plays
• 7:11
  at
• 7:11
  Elevation,
• 7:12
  is
• 7:13
  from
• 7:13
  Toronto
• 7:14
  Mississauga.
• 7:16
  So
• 7:16
  he
• 7:16
  grew
• 7:16
  up
• 7:16
  in
• 7:16
  the
• 7:17
  same
• 7:17
  sort
• 7:17
  of
• 7:17
  church
• 7:18
  space
• 7:19
  that
• 7:19
  we
• 7:20
  did.
• 7:20
  And
• 7:20
  I
• 7:21
  don't
• 7:21
  know
• 7:21
  if
• 7:21
  we
• 7:21
  ever
• 7:22
  did
• 7:22
  ask
• 7:22
  him
• 7:22
  really
• 7:23
  about
• 7:23
  that,
• 7:23
  but
• 7:23
  I
• 7:23
  know
• 7:23
  he
• 7:24
  kind
• 7:24
  of
• 7:24
  has
• 7:24
  views
• 7:24
  on.
• 7:26
  And
• 7:27
  he
• 7:27
  did,
• 7:27
  actually.
• 7:27
  I
• 7:27
  remember
• 7:28
  he
• 7:28
  said
• 7:28
  he
• 7:28
  would
• 7:28
  sell
• 7:28
  out
• 7:29
  to
• 7:29
  country,
• 7:29
  like,
• 7:29
  it
• 7:30
  doesn't
• 7:30
  matter
• 7:30
  what
• 7:30
  it
• 7:30
  is
• 7:31
  style
• 7:31
  of
• 7:31
  music.
• 7:31
  Right.
• 7:32
  He
• 7:32
  embraces
• 7:32
  it
• 7:33
  for
• 7:33
  the
• 7:34
  reach
• 7:34
  that
• 7:34
  it
• 7:34
  has
• 7:34
  and
• 7:35
  that
• 7:35
  I
• 7:35
  respect.
• 7:35
  But
• 7:36
  I
• 7:36
  guess
• 7:36
  if
• 7:36
  we're
• 7:36
  just
• 7:36
  breaking
• 7:37
  it
• 7:37
  down
• 7:37
  to
• 7:38
  the
• 7:38
  music,
• 7:38
  then
• 7:39
  that's
• 7:39
  a
• 7:39
  whole
• 7:39
  other
• 7:40
  thing.
• 7:42
  So
• 7:42
  the
• 7:42
  CCM
• 7:44
  style
• 7:44
  of
• 7:44
  music
• 7:45
  is
• 7:45
  more
• 7:46
  on
• 7:46
  the.
• 7:48
  I
• 7:48
  know
• 7:49
  you
• 7:49
  said.
• 7:49
  And
• 7:49
  I
• 7:49
  do
• 7:50
  feel
• 7:50
  like
• 7:50
  a
• 7:50
  lot
• 7:50
  of
• 7:50
  it
• 7:50
  is
• 7:51
  cookie
• 7:51
  cutter.
• 7:51
  And
• 7:51
  I
• 7:51
  feel
• 7:52
  like
• 7:52
  that
• 7:52
  usually
• 7:53
  happens
• 7:53
  once
• 7:53
  Industries
• 7:54
  is
• 7:54
  heavily
• 7:55
  involved.
• 7:56
  That
• 7:56
  just
• 7:56
  seems
• 7:57
  to
• 7:57
  be.
• 7:58
  I
• 7:58
  don't
• 7:58
  know,
• 7:58
  but
• 7:59
  I
• 7:59
  think
• 7:59
  it
• 7:59
  also.
• 8:00
  It
• 8:00
  touches
• 8:00
  on
• 8:01
  the.
• 8:01
  The
• 8:01
  idea
• 8:02
  that
• 8:02
  it.
• 8:03
  I
• 8:03
  don't
• 8:03
  know
• 8:03
  if
• 8:03
  they
• 8:04
  see
• 8:04
  this
• 8:04
  as
• 8:04
  a
• 8:04
  need
• 8:05
  or
• 8:05
  they
• 8:05
  just
• 8:06
  organically
• 8:06
  happen,
• 8:07
  but
• 8:07
  the
• 8:07
  ability
• 8:07
  to
• 8:08
  reach
• 8:08
  a
• 8:08
  broad
• 8:08
  and
• 8:08
  diverse
• 8:09
  audience.
• 8:10
  So
• 8:10
  by
• 8:11
  watering
• 8:11
  it
• 8:11
  down,
• 8:12
  I
• 8:12
  feel
• 8:12
  that,
• 8:12
  like,
• 8:13
  you
• 8:13
  can
• 8:13
  kind
• 8:14
  of
• 8:14
  transcend
• 8:14
  cultural
• 8:15
  and
• 8:15
  racial
• 8:16
  boundaries
• 8:16
  and
• 8:17
  that
• 8:17
  adaptability
• 8:18
  allows
• 8:18
  it
• 8:18
  to
• 8:18
  Resonate
• 8:19
  with
• 8:19
  people
• 8:19
  from,
• 8:20
  you
• 8:20
  know,
• 8:20
  various
• 8:21
  backgrounds.
• 8:22
  Yeah.
• 8:22
  So
• 8:23
  it,
• 8:23
  it,
• 8:23
  it's
• 8:24
  definitely
• 8:24
  allows
• 8:25
  for
• 8:25
  more
• 8:25
  inclusive.
• 8:26
  Inclusive
• 8:28
  inclusivity,
• 8:29
  which
• 8:29
  is
• 8:30
  important.
• 8:30
  Inclusivity,
• 8:31
  which
• 8:32
  is
• 8:32
  very,
• 8:32
  very
• 8:32
  important.
• 8:33
  Yeah,
• 8:33
  yeah.
• 8:33
  So
• 8:33
  on
• 8:34
  that
• 8:34
  side,
• 8:34
  I
• 8:34
  think
• 8:34
  it's
• 8:35
  a
• 8:35
  win
• 8:35
  that
• 8:35
  I
• 8:36
  guess
• 8:36
  we
• 8:36
  could
• 8:36
  say
• 8:36
  that.
• 8:38
  But
• 8:39
  I
• 8:39
  think
• 8:39
  that
• 8:39
  also
• 8:40
  hinders
• 8:40
  it
• 8:41
  from
• 8:41
  embracing,
• 8:42
  you
• 8:42
  know,
• 8:42
  what
• 8:42
  you
• 8:43
  don't.
• 8:43
  Understand
• 8:44
  and
• 8:45
  what
• 8:45
  you
• 8:45
  can't
• 8:45
  easily
• 8:46
  recreate.
• 8:47
  And
• 8:47
  I've,
• 8:48
  now
• 8:48
  that
• 8:48
  I'm
• 8:49
  thinking
• 8:49
  about
• 8:49
  it,
• 8:49
  I've
• 8:49
  heard
• 8:50
  some
• 8:50
  terrible
• 8:50
  versions
• 8:51
  of
• 8:52
  taking
• 8:53
  a
• 8:54
  piece
• 8:54
  like,
• 8:54
  you
• 8:54
  know,
• 8:54
  if
• 8:54
  you
• 8:54
  have
• 8:55
  a
• 8:55
  recipe
• 8:55
  and
• 8:56
  you
• 8:56
  want
• 8:56
  like
• 8:57
  you
• 8:57
  say,
• 8:57
  I
• 8:57
  don't
• 8:57
  know,
• 8:57
  grandmother,
• 8:58
  grandmother,
• 8:59
  grandmother,
• 9:00
  whatever,
• 9:00
  grandma's
• 9:01
  best
• 9:02
  or
• 9:03
  I
• 9:03
  don't
• 9:03
  know,
• 9:03
  apple
• 9:03
  pieces.
• 9:05
  Yeah.
• 9:06
  But
• 9:06
  you
• 9:06
  want
• 9:06
  to
• 9:06
  take
• 9:07
  a
• 9:07
  version
• 9:07
  of
• 9:07
  it.
• 9:08
  So
• 9:08
  you
• 9:08
  put
• 9:08
  your
• 9:09
  own,
• 9:09
  you
• 9:10
  have
• 9:10
  your
• 9:10
  own
• 9:10
  recipe,
• 9:11
  but
• 9:11
  you
• 9:11
  might
• 9:11
  take
• 9:11
  a
• 9:12
  couple
• 9:12
  pieces
• 9:12
  that
• 9:12
  don't
• 9:13
  really.
• 9:13
  Because
• 9:13
  you're
• 9:13
  not
• 9:13
  even
• 9:14
  making
• 9:14
  an
• 9:14
  apple
• 9:14
  pie,
• 9:14
  you're
• 9:15
  making,
• 9:15
  I
• 9:15
  don't
• 9:15
  know,
• 9:16
  a
• 9:16
  shepherd's
• 9:16
  pie.
• 9:17
  So
• 9:17
  if
• 9:17
  you
• 9:17
  take
• 9:17
  a
• 9:18
  couple
• 9:18
  of
• 9:18
  the
• 9:18
  pieces,
• 9:19
  they
• 9:19
  kind
• 9:19
  of
• 9:19
  stand
• 9:20
  out
• 9:20
  in
• 9:20
  a
• 9:20
  weird
• 9:20
  way.
• 9:21
  I've
• 9:21
  seen
• 9:22
  that
• 9:22
  a
• 9:22
  lot
• 9:22
  for
• 9:22
  sure.
• 9:23
  So
• 9:23
  I've
• 9:23
  seen
• 9:23
  some
• 9:23
  CCM
• 9:24
  that
• 9:24
  will
• 9:24
  take
• 9:25
  like
• 9:25
  some
• 9:25
  gospel
• 9:25
  chord
• 9:26
  changes
• 9:27
  and
• 9:27
  throw
• 9:27
  them
• 9:27
  in
• 9:29
  or
• 9:29
  almost
• 9:30
  use
• 9:30
  them
• 9:30
  out
• 9:30
  of
• 9:30
  context.
• 9:31
  Like
• 9:31
  they're
• 9:31
  there,
• 9:32
  but
• 9:32
  doesn't
• 9:33
  makes
• 9:33
  sense
• 9:34
  if
• 9:34
  you
• 9:34
  are.
• 9:35
  Maybe
• 9:35
  it's
• 9:35
  better
• 9:36
  to
• 9:36
  use
• 9:36
  language
• 9:36
  than
• 9:37
  it
• 9:37
  is
• 9:37
  for
• 9:37
  apple
• 9:37
  pies.
• 9:38
  So
• 9:38
  if
• 9:38
  your
• 9:39
  native
• 9:40
  language
• 9:40
  is
• 9:40
  English
• 9:42
  and
• 9:42
  that's
• 9:43
  what
• 9:43
  you
• 9:43
  speak
• 9:43
  well,
• 9:43
  but
• 9:44
  now
• 9:44
  you're
• 9:44
  learning
• 9:45
  another
• 9:45
  language,
• 9:45
  let's
• 9:46
  just
• 9:46
  say
• 9:46
  French
• 9:46
  since
• 9:47
  we're
• 9:47
  in
• 9:47
  Canada.
• 9:48
  So
• 9:48
  you're
• 9:49
  learning
• 9:49
  French,
• 9:50
  you
• 9:50
  might
• 9:52
  speaking
• 9:53
  to
• 9:53
  a
• 9:53
  French
• 9:54
  person,
• 9:55
  French
• 9:55
  speakings
• 9:55
  person.
• 9:56
  It's
• 9:57
  very
• 9:57
  likely
• 9:57
  that
• 9:57
  you're
• 9:58
  going
• 9:58
  to,
• 9:58
  number
• 9:58
  one,
• 9:59
  mess
• 9:59
  up
• 9:59
  the
• 9:59
  accent
• 10:00
  or
• 10:00
  the
• 10:00
  dialect.
• 10:01
  But
• 10:01
  also.
• 10:02
  Right.
• 10:02
  Mess
• 10:03
  up
• 10:03
  how
• 10:03
  you
• 10:04
  use
• 10:04
  some
• 10:04
  words
• 10:05
  or
• 10:05
  terms.
• 10:05
  And
• 10:06
  that's
• 10:06
  how
• 10:06
  I
• 10:06
  feel.
• 10:07
  Right.
• 10:07
  When
• 10:08
  I
• 10:08
  sometimes
• 10:08
  hear
• 10:09
  some
• 10:09
  songs
• 10:09
  that
• 10:09
  are
• 10:10
  CCM
• 10:10
  that
• 10:11
  let's.
• 10:11
  I
• 10:11
  want
• 10:11
  to
• 10:11
  say
• 10:12
  borrow
• 10:12
  from.
• 10:14
  I
• 10:14
  totally
• 10:15
  understand.
• 10:15
  I
• 10:16
  know
• 10:16
  it's
• 10:16
  the
• 10:16
  intentions
• 10:17
  are.
• 10:17
  Well,
• 10:17
  I
• 10:17
  don't
• 10:18
  think
• 10:18
  anyone's
• 10:18
  trying
• 10:18
  to
• 10:19
  do
• 10:19
  anything
• 10:20
  that's
• 10:20
  not
• 10:20
  sincere.
• 10:21
  But
• 10:22
  as
• 10:22
  I,
• 10:23
  I
• 10:23
  have
• 10:23
  a
• 10:23
  funny
• 10:24
  story
• 10:24
  about
• 10:24
  this
• 10:24
  exact
• 10:25
  thing
• 10:26
  which
• 10:26
  is
• 10:26
  interesting
• 10:27
  because
• 10:28
  I,
• 10:29
  I've
• 10:30
  studied
• 10:30
  French
• 10:31
  for
• 10:31
  over
• 10:32
  many
• 10:32
  decades
• 10:33
  and
• 10:34
  my
• 10:34
  wife
• 10:34
  is
• 10:35
  actually
• 10:35
  bilingual,
• 10:36
  legitimately
• 10:37
  bilingual
• 10:38
  and
• 10:38
  actually
• 10:39
  trilingual,
• 10:40
  but
• 10:41
  fancy.
• 10:43
  I,
• 10:43
  I
• 10:43
  would
• 10:43
  always
• 10:44
  try
• 10:44
  and
• 10:45
  think
• 10:45
  I'm
• 10:45
  doing
• 10:45
  my
• 10:46
  best
• 10:46
  at
• 10:46
  a
• 10:46
  French
• 10:46
  accent.
• 10:47
  When
• 10:47
  I
• 10:47
  go
• 10:47
  to
• 10:47
  Montreal,
• 10:48
  I
• 10:48
  purposely
• 10:48
  try
• 10:49
  and
• 10:49
  speak
• 10:50
  French
• 10:51
  and
• 10:51
  they
• 10:51
  would
• 10:51
  always
• 10:52
  just
• 10:52
  go
• 10:52
  to
• 10:53
  English
• 10:53
  knowing,
• 10:54
  nice
• 10:54
  try,
• 10:55
  but
• 10:55
  we
• 10:55
  know
• 10:55
  your
• 10:56
  English.
• 10:56
  Basically
• 10:57
  fraud.
• 10:57
  I'M
• 10:58
  doing
• 10:58
  everything.
• 11:00
  I'm
• 11:00
  doing
• 11:00
  everything.
• 11:01
  How.
• 11:02
  How
• 11:02
  do
• 11:02
  you
• 11:03
  and
• 11:03
  the
• 11:03
  guys,
• 11:03
  like,
• 11:03
  you
• 11:04
  know,
• 11:04
  it
• 11:04
  would
• 11:04
  be
• 11:04
  like
• 11:05
  me
• 11:05
  trying
• 11:05
  to
• 11:06
  pretend
• 11:06
  to
• 11:06
  be
• 11:06
  English.
• 11:07
  Like,
• 11:07
  no
• 11:07
  matter
• 11:08
  how
• 11:08
  well
• 11:08
  I
• 11:08
  speak,
• 11:09
  you're
• 11:09
  going
• 11:10
  to
• 11:10
  hear
• 11:10
  a
• 11:10
  hint.
• 11:12
  My
• 11:12
  accent.
• 11:13
  And
• 11:13
  I
• 11:13
  hear
• 11:13
  that
• 11:13
  when
• 11:14
  you
• 11:14
  try
• 11:14
  and
• 11:14
  speak
• 11:14
  French.
• 11:15
  And
• 11:15
  I
• 11:15
  feel
• 11:16
  like
• 11:16
  that
• 11:16
  is
• 11:17
  an
• 11:17
  analogy
• 11:18
  to
• 11:18
  what
• 11:18
  they're
• 11:18
  trying
• 11:18
  to
• 11:19
  do
• 11:19
  sometimes
• 11:19
  when
• 11:20
  they
• 11:20
  add.
• 11:21
  Right.
• 11:21
  Their
• 11:21
  twist
• 11:22
  to
• 11:22
  that
• 11:22
  makes
• 11:22
  sense.
• 11:23
  An
• 11:23
  element.
• 11:24
  Yeah.
• 11:24
  And
• 11:25
  I.
• 11:25
  I
• 11:26
  think
• 11:26
  you
• 11:26
  nailed
• 11:26
  it.
• 11:26
  I
• 11:27
  just
• 11:27
  thought
• 11:27
  it
• 11:27
  was
• 11:27
  funny
• 11:28
  because
• 11:28
  I
• 11:28
  had
• 11:28
  that
• 11:28
  exact
• 11:29
  same
• 11:29
  experience
• 11:29
  with.
• 11:30
  Yeah,
• 11:30
  yeah,
• 11:30
  yeah.
• 11:31
  So
• 11:31
  to
• 11:31
  the.
• 11:31
  To
• 11:31
  the
• 11:31
  person
• 11:32
  that
• 11:32
  you're
• 11:32
  speaking
• 11:32
  to,
• 11:33
  other
• 11:33
  people
• 11:33
  in
• 11:33
  Montreal
• 11:34
  that
• 11:34
  you're
• 11:34
  speaking
• 11:34
  with,
• 11:35
  they
• 11:35
  hear
• 11:35
  it
• 11:35
  right
• 11:36
  away
• 11:36
  to
• 11:37
  me.
• 11:37
  Right,
• 11:37
  exactly
• 11:38
  right.
• 11:39
  Native
• 11:39
  English
• 11:40
  speaker,
• 11:40
  I'll
• 11:41
  be
• 11:41
  like,
• 11:41
  man,
• 11:41
  your
• 11:41
  French
• 11:42
  is
• 11:42
  fantastic.
• 11:42
  This.
• 11:43
  This
• 11:43
  is
• 11:43
  crazy,
• 11:44
  man.
• 11:44
  Did
• 11:45
  you
• 11:45
  live
• 11:45
  in
• 11:45
  a
• 11:46
  Paris?
• 11:46
  Like,
• 11:47
  how
• 11:47
  you.
• 11:48
  So.
• 11:48
  And
• 11:49
  I
• 11:49
  think
• 11:49
  that's
• 11:49
  what
• 11:49
  it
• 11:50
  is.
• 11:50
  Right.
• 11:50
  So
• 11:53
  let's
• 11:53
  just
• 11:53
  agree
• 11:53
  on
• 11:54
  this
• 11:54
  for
• 11:54
  the
• 11:54
  sake
• 11:55
  of,
• 11:55
  you
• 11:55
  know,
• 11:56
  future
• 11:56
  work
• 11:56
  for
• 11:56
  myself
• 11:57
  and
• 11:57
  the
• 11:58
  fact
• 11:58
  that
• 11:58
  I
• 11:58
  do
• 11:58
  believe
• 11:59
  that,
• 11:59
  you
• 11:59
  know,
• 12:00
  like
• 12:00
  you
• 12:00
  said,
• 12:00
  the
• 12:01
  music
• 12:01
  has
• 12:01
  been
• 12:01
  written
• 12:02
  in
• 12:02
  a
• 12:02
  way
• 12:02
  that
• 12:03
  transcends
• 12:04
  race
• 12:04
  and
• 12:05
  everything
• 12:05
  else
• 12:05
  and
• 12:06
  is
• 12:06
  in.
• 12:07
  Is
• 12:07
  embraced
• 12:09
  globally.
• 12:10
  Really?
• 12:12
  Yeah.
• 12:12
  But
• 12:12
  yeah,
• 12:13
  just
• 12:13
  from
• 12:13
  a
• 12:13
  musical.
• 12:14
  That's
• 12:14
  important.
• 12:14
  That
• 12:15
  part
• 12:15
  is
• 12:15
  important.
• 12:15
  So
• 12:15
  is
• 12:16
  that
• 12:16
  sense
• 12:16
  of
• 12:16
  unity,
• 12:17
  the
• 12:17
  sense
• 12:17
  of
• 12:17
  unity
• 12:18
  that
• 12:18
  it
• 12:18
  provides,
• 12:19
  you
• 12:20
  know,
• 12:20
  you
• 12:20
  know,
• 12:21
  Australia,
• 12:21
  you
• 12:22
  know,
• 12:22
  vast
• 12:23
  majority
• 12:23
  of
• 12:23
  South
• 12:24
  America,
• 12:25
  they're
• 12:25
  all
• 12:25
  vibing
• 12:26
  to
• 12:26
  some
• 12:26
  of
• 12:26
  the
• 12:26
  same
• 12:27
  songs.
• 12:27
  And
• 12:28
  that
• 12:28
  is.
• 12:29
  That
• 12:29
  is
• 12:29
  incredible
• 12:30
  that
• 12:31
  what.
• 12:31
  That
• 12:32
  contributes
• 12:33
  to
• 12:33
  the
• 12:33
  sense
• 12:33
  of,
• 12:34
  like,
• 12:34
  community
• 12:35
  from
• 12:36
  a
• 12:36
  bunch
• 12:36
  of
• 12:36
  different
• 12:37
  cultural
• 12:37
  backgrounds.
• 12:38
  That.
• 12:38
  That
• 12:39
  should
• 12:39
  not
• 12:39
  be
• 12:40
  understated
• 12:40
  because
• 12:41
  that
• 12:41
  impact
• 12:41
  is.
• 12:42
  Is
• 12:42
  really,
• 12:43
  really
• 12:44
  important
• 12:44
  and
• 12:45
  it
• 12:45
  allows,
• 12:46
  you
• 12:46
  know,
• 12:47
  that
• 12:47
  familiar
• 12:47
  sound
• 12:48
  and
• 12:48
  structure
• 12:48
  of
• 12:49
  CCM
• 12:49
  can
• 12:50
  make
• 12:50
  that
• 12:51
  singing
• 12:51
  along
• 12:51
  or
• 12:52
  that
• 12:52
  worship
• 12:52
  more
• 12:53
  approachable
• 12:53
  for
• 12:53
  newcomers.
• 12:54
  Do
• 12:54
  you
• 12:54
  know
• 12:54
  what
• 12:54
  I
• 12:55
  mean?
• 12:55
  So
• 12:55
  I
• 12:55
  think
• 12:56
  those.
• 12:56
  Those
• 12:57
  are
• 12:57
  definitely
• 13:00
  just
• 13:01
  like,
• 13:01
  good
• 13:01
  points
• 13:02
  in
• 13:02
  terms
• 13:02
  of
• 13:02
  just
• 13:03
  like
• 13:03
  the
• 13:04
  contributions
• 13:04
  of
• 13:04
  CCM
• 13:05
  in
• 13:05
  this
• 13:06
  church
• 13:06
  space
• 13:07
  that
• 13:07
  can't.
• 13:08
  That
• 13:08
  can't
• 13:08
  be
• 13:08
  understated
• 13:09
  and.