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#Ep 200 Matty Acton, the 38-year-old Grandad · Two Doting Dads with Matty J & Ash

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  Speaker 1: Ashon, Would you believe that our guest today became a
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  Speaker 1: granddad at thirty seven years of age, So.
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  Speaker 2: He's a doting granddad.
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  Speaker 1: He's a doting granddad.
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  Speaker 2: One of my first ever, first ever wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Maddie Actin. You may know him from Radio B
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  Speaker 1: one oh five from Brisbane. I grew up in Brisbane
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  Speaker 1: as so B one oh five, what I would say
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  Speaker 1: is the best station for radio up there in bris Vegas.
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  Speaker 3: And he is a three time dad and a granddad,
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  Speaker 3: so in.
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  Speaker 2: The hierarchy of dads, he's way up there.
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  Speaker 1: Mad Yeah, he shits on us.
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  Speaker 3: So eldest right twenty three, the next one eleven year
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  Speaker 3: old Xander and eight year old Eden. He definitely has
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  Speaker 3: a lot more experience than you and I put together.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. He became a dad at the age of eighteen
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  Speaker 1: when he got together with his his now wife. So
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  Speaker 1: he talks about unexpectedly becoming a father at such a
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  Speaker 1: young age.
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  Speaker 3: Prefabricated family Matthew, if you will, And he talks a
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  Speaker 3: lot about the teenage years in this episode, which I
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  Speaker 3: am petrified of.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't until this episode.
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  Speaker 1: So I thought parenting was hard now, but it turns
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  Speaker 1: out the older they get, the bigger the problems are.
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  Speaker 1: I can't wait.
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  Speaker 3: It gets real awkward, real quick when they're teenagers.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I can't imagine trying to have a sexual
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  Speaker 1: education type conversation with any of my children, but I
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  Speaker 1: know it's coming. I don't know. I don't know if Maddie, well,
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  Speaker 1: you'd be the decider if he did it the right
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  Speaker 1: way the wrong way.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to listen to find out.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to I'm going to say, two doting dads
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  Speaker 1: and one doting granddad, but you're also a dad obviously.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm Maddi j I'm Ash and I'm Maddie Acton. Grandfather.
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  Speaker 1: Can you give us like your old man impression?
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  Speaker 2: I can give him my dad voice that I go
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  Speaker 2: to and I am Madiactu.
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  Speaker 1: I love the lip quiver as well.
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  Speaker 2: I left a couple swear what do I feel like?
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  Speaker 2: I need to clean my room down now?
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  Speaker 1: And this is a podcast all about parenting. It is
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  Speaker 1: the good, it.
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  Speaker 2: Is the bad and the relatable.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Maddie, we don't give advice, but if you would
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  Speaker 1: like to please.
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  Speaker 2: Go for it. I can tell you what not to do.
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  Speaker 2: How about that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is That's definitely the way we approach this conversation.
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  Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say, this is the
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  Speaker 2: podcast all about grandparenting.
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  Speaker 1: Actually the very first time.
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  Speaker 2: Have we never had a grandparent?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe we have. I'm going to call it first granddad. Yeap,
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  Speaker 1: let's just look it in. We could be here debating
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  Speaker 1: on it being here, Maddie. We always start the conversation
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  Speaker 1: with the simple question, Yes, Maddie, acton.
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  Speaker 3: Do you recall the most trouble you got in as
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  Speaker 3: a child. Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and I had to rat on myself, which made
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  Speaker 2: it the hardest. Do tell. I was at a teenage party,
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  Speaker 2: would have been about fifteen or sixteen at the time.
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  Speaker 2: Backpack of udls, as you do rolling around town.
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  Speaker 1: Particular flavor or was it the mixed pack?
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  Speaker 2: I think they were the great flavored ones that I
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  Speaker 2: went with.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a pineapple king of I'm more of a red
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  Speaker 1: Bear sor to guy, the cheap option.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have to point that out. I remember the
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  Speaker 2: Red Bears. You would get a ten pack for twenty bucks. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the good old days. Drink them in a tent somewhere
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  Speaker 2: in the bush. Yeah. So we were going between I
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  Speaker 2: think a mate's house at a party, and I needed
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  Speaker 2: to go to the toilet, so I was relieving myself
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  Speaker 2: in a park. Number one and number two. Number one,
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  Speaker 2: number two, Yeah, I'd have a few more questions if
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  Speaker 2: it was number two. I hadn't drunk the whole backpacks
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  Speaker 2: worth yet, so that's probably why I got that got
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  Speaker 2: to that point, and so the police saw me doing
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  Speaker 2: what I was doing, and they pull over, of course,
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  Speaker 2: and it's me and my friend to you know, fifteen
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  Speaker 2: year old's what's in the bag? Thing off? For some
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  Speaker 2: they checked a bag, find the booze, get done for
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  Speaker 2: public urination? See can they did.
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  Speaker 3: They ask you to put your cock away before or
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  Speaker 3: after asking what's in the bag?
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  Speaker 2: I think I just saw the lights come on. I
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  Speaker 2: quickly flicked it in.
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  Speaker 1: If you were being really clever here, you have said
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  Speaker 1: you can't search me. Could you have said that? Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: when you're a kids, cops can say anything and you'll
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  Speaker 1: do it because you're just scared.
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  Speaker 2: Is that because you're underaged and I'm how to search
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  Speaker 2: you without a parent there? Yeah? But maybe that's you
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  Speaker 2: not a bag in particular.
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  Speaker 1: Unless you were winging in public, which is a crime.
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  Speaker 2: I grew up in central Queensland, so I don't think
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  Speaker 2: they give a shit in places give us.
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  Speaker 1: Bash you.
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  Speaker 2: There's no witnesses up there. So they're about to put
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  Speaker 2: me in the back of the car and take me
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  Speaker 2: to the police station and bring my parents and be like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: we've got your kids.
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  Speaker 1: I thought they'd just do the poor out.
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  Speaker 2: No, they weren't too happy with me. But then, of
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  Speaker 2: course I had a meat head friend who was with me,
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  Speaker 2: and he decided that he would step in and come
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  Speaker 2: to my aid. Nice of him. He got a little
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  Speaker 2: over aggressive. He got put in handcuffs and there I
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  Speaker 2: am just like what is going on? He gets thrown
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  Speaker 2: in the back of the car and they say to me, right,
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  Speaker 2: you go home. They already taken my details at this point.
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  Speaker 2: You go home. We've got your details. If we don't
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  Speaker 2: see you at the police station with one of your
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  Speaker 2: parents on Monday, we'll ring them.
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  Speaker 3: Oh god, that's I don't know whether that's an empty
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  Speaker 3: threat from them, But you don't you don't want to,
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  Speaker 3: you don't want to find out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this was Saturday night. I spent all of Sunday
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  Speaker 2: just contemplating do I tell them, do I like run
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  Speaker 2: the gauntlet? Here and see what happens. Do I what
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  Speaker 2: do I do? The only silver lining was in all
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  Speaker 2: of the commotion, they forgot to take the backpack off me,
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  Speaker 2: so I kept making so I still had the booze.
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  Speaker 2: So I continued on to the party. My mate was like,
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  Speaker 2: where's Timmy?
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  Speaker 1: You would not believe what happened.
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  Speaker 2: I convinced my sister was eighteen at the time, because
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  Speaker 2: she's a couple of years older than me. So I
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  Speaker 2: convinced my sister to come and cover for me. And
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  Speaker 2: then I just got the guilts in the end that
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  Speaker 2: I was like, well, I'm going to be in trouble.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just rip the band aid off, told my mom
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  Speaker 2: my mom had to take me to the police date
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  Speaker 2: and they who are you? Yeah, you're doing it well
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  Speaker 2: that they remember. They were like, oh yeah, we have
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  Speaker 2: your name down here, but I don't think they were
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  Speaker 2: going to call because they didn't seem too concerned. Your
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  Speaker 2: mates in the background like, oh, so I get there.
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  Speaker 2: This is like a Monday or a Tuesday. We go in,
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  Speaker 2: they go all right, we're going to separate you. They
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  Speaker 2: put me in like a question room, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: where they take people who have committed like murders and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: They started to terrogating them. They take my mom out,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, what is going on? Like they're going
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  Speaker 2: to come back here, I'm going to be in dead.
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  Speaker 2: My mum walks in, sits down beside me, and then
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  Speaker 2: the cop goes, all right, tell you what what happened. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I've already told her, so I told her everything. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm really sorry. Blah blah blah, I'll never do it again.
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  Speaker 2: Did it the next week?
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  Speaker 1: I already had a six pack.
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  Speaker 2: Let me tell you something. And they were like, fine,
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  Speaker 2: you get a warning, you're free to go. It was
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  Speaker 2: until I got in the car my mum had said
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  Speaker 2: that the police officer said, look, it's good he's come
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  Speaker 2: down here. If he's a smart ass, when we get
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  Speaker 2: into the room, we're gonna he's gonna be in huge trouble.
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  Speaker 2: But if he just did, you know, it's cool about it.
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  Speaker 2: He'll be sweet. So I got off luckily.
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  Speaker 1: What about at home?
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  Speaker 2: Did you get any punishment at home? Or they thought
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  Speaker 2: that was punishment and ars No, I think they thought
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  Speaker 2: it was punishment. And so I love how parents and
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  Speaker 2: the cops.
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  Speaker 1: They're working together.
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  Speaker 3: When do we get the call up from the cops
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  Speaker 3: and be like, hey you, so you know we've got
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  Speaker 3: your bat when.
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  Speaker 1: I'm waiting for it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. But see the thing I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: I think the reason I didn't get in trouble was
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  Speaker 2: because I didn't tell the cops. It was my mum
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  Speaker 2: who bought me the udls. Yeah, your mum was like,
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  Speaker 2: don't you Yeah, so I think I had a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of leveryge to bend over a barrel because that's
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  Speaker 2: actually illegal.
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  Speaker 1: Your mom's sweating.
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  Speaker 2: Did you mind leaving the room while we talked to
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  Speaker 2: your mum? I'm really quick. That's probably the worst. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that'd be the worst situation. That's pretty bad, Maddie.
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  Speaker 1: I've known you for a little while. Yeah, we spoke
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  Speaker 1: many many years ago when I was on a little
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  Speaker 1: show called The Bachelor. And I mean, this is a compliment.
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  Speaker 1: You've always had such a fresh face.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: You've always looked.
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  Speaker 2: I'm seventy eight.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember finding out that you were a dad
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, but he's very young. How does
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  Speaker 1: that work? Did you always want to be a young dad?
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  Speaker 1: Was that ever on your radar? Did you want to
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  Speaker 1: be a father?
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  Speaker 2: I'd never really thought about it before. When I obviously
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  Speaker 2: I became a dad very young. I was eighteen, but
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  Speaker 2: it kind of happened quickly because when I met my wife,
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  Speaker 2: she was twenty two when I was eighteen.
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  Speaker 1: Where did you meet?
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  Speaker 2: Into Woomba little town west Queensland. I'd moved there. Beautiful
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  Speaker 2: town by the way, great spot i've never been. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: good Rugby school. The cops like up there. Well, let
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  Speaker 2: me tell you a story. So I moved there. I
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  Speaker 2: was fresh out of high school. So it's my first
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  Speaker 2: ever radio gig, like full time radio gig. And I
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  Speaker 2: went off in my Ford Laser with my TV and
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  Speaker 2: my Donner like look at me, man, I'm taken on
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  Speaker 2: the world, ready to roll. And I moved there. We met,
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  Speaker 2: we were only ever, just sort of meant to be
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  Speaker 2: a bit of fun, as you are when you're a
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  Speaker 2: bit younger. But she had a three year old son,
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  Speaker 2: already prefab family. Yeah, so when we met, he was
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  Speaker 2: three and I kind of was just dating his mum obviously,
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  Speaker 2: and we didn't expect it to really go anywhere. And
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  Speaker 2: then next thing, I found myself in love with this
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  Speaker 2: girl who had a child. And what did you.
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  Speaker 1: Make of the fact that she already had a child.
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  Speaker 1: We were like, oh, it's an event because it's not
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  Speaker 1: going to be anything serious.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah at the start, totally. So I met her through
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  Speaker 2: my flatmate. She was really good friends with a girl
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  Speaker 2: who I was flatting with, and we were very from
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  Speaker 2: the start, very much like this is this is just fun,
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  Speaker 2: this is not serious. I think she was kind of like,
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  Speaker 2: obviously you're not going to want this, and I was
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  Speaker 2: not in the market for that either. Yeah, and then yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we just found ourselves. It just kept on progressing and
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  Speaker 2: progressing until I was like, oh shit, here we are
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  Speaker 2: so yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Can I ask you how long it was before you
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  Speaker 3: met your son?
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  Speaker 2: Would have been probably four months after we dated. It
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  Speaker 2: was quite like a little bit of time. But it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't until we'd had the con sation, like we said,
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  Speaker 2: let's try and make a go of it, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean when it wasn't until I guess you
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  Speaker 2: have the are we together conversation? Yeah there's more to
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  Speaker 2: this than just casual. Yeah. But even then esther very
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  Speaker 2: much was kind of like separated our relationship and what
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  Speaker 2: I guess my relationship with Ethan was at the time,
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  Speaker 2: because she was never like, oh, you have to be
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  Speaker 2: a father figure. You know, she already had her dad
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  Speaker 2: and her brother and a lot of you know, great
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  Speaker 2: men in her life who were feeling that sort of void,
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  Speaker 2: and so she was never like, you know, if you're
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  Speaker 2: with me, you've got to remember this is what you've
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  Speaker 2: got to be, or anything like that. So it kind
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  Speaker 2: of my relationship with him.
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  Speaker 1: Where was your mindset at? Were you like, yeah, cool, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'll meet the little guy and I'll see
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  Speaker 1: what he's like. When you met him, do you think, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I've got to step up to the plate now.
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  Speaker 2: No, I didn't. I don't know. I kind of for
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  Speaker 2: a long time just treated him like a friend, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: if that makes sense, Yeah, like.
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  Speaker 1: An uncle type, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: So. Yeah, Like he used to always call me mum's
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  Speaker 2: friend to people, like not like mum's boyfriend or anything
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  Speaker 2: like like, oh, Matt's mum's friend sort of thing. And
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  Speaker 2: I remember the first time I met him, like she
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  Speaker 2: picked him up from her parents' place because they were babysitting.
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  Speaker 2: He gets into the back of the car and I
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh hey, and he just kind of looked
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  Speaker 2: at me and looked at his mum goes, who's your friend?
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  Speaker 2: Who's this guy? What the hell? So that was my
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  Speaker 2: main goal at the start, was just to I think,
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  Speaker 2: just befriend him and have that kind of relationship. Obviously,
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: once you've been together a long time, you do move
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  Speaker 2: into the fathering role a bit more so. He never
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  Speaker 2: really started calling me dad for quite a few years
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  Speaker 2: into our relationship.
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  Speaker 3: Being so young, going from you were trying to just befriend,
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  Speaker 3: really this child, how was your transition from friend to.
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  Speaker 2: Into that father fit? Because I mean it's sort of
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  Speaker 2: a really blurred line and there's.
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  Speaker 3: No set like, Okay, well now I'm going to be
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  Speaker 3: you know, from Monday.
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  Speaker 2: And it's true. I think Estra and I had a
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  Speaker 2: lot of conversations about it because I wanted to also
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  Speaker 2: make sure, you know, she had raised him up until
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  Speaker 2: this point and she was his mum, Like how much
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  Speaker 2: did she want me to parent? How much did she
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  Speaker 2: want me to be involved in the fact of like,
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: you know, can I call her out on stuff if
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: I do something that's parenting? Is she allowed to say
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: to me, I don't like the way you do that.
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: It can get tricky. So many blurred line.
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  Speaker 1: How did you figure that out? Was it fluid or
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  Speaker 1: did you guys have to sit down and talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: We did have a lot of conversations about it, but
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  Speaker 2: mainly I think Esther was brilliant in it that she
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: let the rains go and let me kind of figure
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  Speaker 2: it out the way I wanted to. I can remember
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  Speaker 2: the very first time. I think I first sort of
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: stepped in as the dad sort of roll what happened,
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  Speaker 2: and then I freaked out, like she was going to
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  Speaker 2: get up, like across the line. So she was putting
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  Speaker 2: him into a car seat and he was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: cracking a nana as they do, and I remember I
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: was in the driver's seat looking over and he had
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: hit her on the back, just you know, like a
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: four year old throwing a bit of a tantrum. And
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  Speaker 2: I remember like I just turned around and blew my
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  Speaker 2: nana aut him and I was like, you do not
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: hit your mom, and you do not hit people. And
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: then I just it just came out, and then she
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: kind of looked up, and I looked up and I
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  Speaker 2: was like, I'm sorry, am I in travel now another?
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  Speaker 2: And she didn't say anything, and then so we kind
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  Speaker 2: of just went on. And then later we talked about it,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, look at it across the
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  Speaker 2: line and she's like, absolutely not. How did he take that?
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  Speaker 2: It's the first time I yelled at him, so even
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  Speaker 2: he was like, oh shit, yeah, maybe he's not just
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  Speaker 2: my friend.
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  Speaker 1: It was an awkward car rider.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, any should we drove all the way to Sydney.
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  Speaker 4: I remember the first time that he called you dad, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: because we had had the conversation with him and said,
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: if that's something that you want to do, really yeah,
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  Speaker 4: So it wasn't it.
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  Speaker 2: We've gotten engaged. So we've been together a long time,
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  Speaker 2: like six years, and we actually had the conversation Estherra
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: and I talked about it and I said to her, look,
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: if that's what he would like to do, I'm totally
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: open to that. Said if he says no, that's totally
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: fine as well. A little bit home, Oh, totally fine
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  Speaker 2: with that kid. No, because it was kind of at
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: the point explaining our dynamic to people, to be like,
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: I've been the only father figure he's ever had, We've
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: been together all this time, having to just explain, oh, well,
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: were mad and we did this and we did dad,
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: which you have to do anyway because of the massive
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: age gap. But it just seemed easier to have a
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: label on the situation. So we had that conversation and yeah,
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: it just sort of started calling me dad. Do you
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: remember how it made you feel? Oh? I was like
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: like hit me in the fields hard, you know, and
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: even now like Ethant like I cried everything that that
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: all my kids do, but he makes me cry all
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: the time, like with what a great kid has turned
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: out to be. But it's pretty. And I said this
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: in his speech at his wedding, you know, it was
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: it's really special. You're obviously when you help birth a child. Well,
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: I guess you did the ten seconds of yeah, yeah.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: I was like, I was there, how many people women
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: listen to this.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Autrician? I was like, get on the way helps.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Sitting on the couch like, oh, hang on, do I
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: have to do it?
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Help conceive?
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: I should say my favorite part. You know you're automatically Dad,
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: I guess. But if a kid has chosen to call
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: you that, I guess there's a proud feeling in going
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: you've earned it, yeah, you know, or that you have
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: enough of their love that that's I guess the category
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: they want to put you in.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I never thought of it from the perspective of
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: you've really got to earn that title. We just get
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: given it, Yeah, regardless of how good or bowbi Area's parents. Yeah,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: so you don't appreciate the weight behind that simple term.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: It's like when my kids call me by my first name.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I earned that. I fucking that. There has
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: been so much neglect to get called out.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: You mentioned that you moved around a little bit, just
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: with what you do for work as well.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: How did I mean for me?
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: My kid has moved six times in six years, not interstate,
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: but I did notice that on the sixth time it
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: was sort of becoming the norm for him.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: How did the kids deal.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: With that when you were moving a lot?
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Well, only Ethan's had to deal with it. Our younger
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: two have. We've been in Brisbane for nine years now,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: so they've pretty much established themselves there. But Ethie we
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: moved every two years. You know. We went Brisbane a
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Gold Coast and that was he was only there for
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: six months because he was living in Brison with his mum,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: And then we moved in together on the Gold Coast
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: and then we went Melbourne. We've been to Sydney, back
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: to the Gold Coast, then Melbourne back to Brisbane, like everywhere,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: and he the same thing. It was all normal for him.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: There was a couple of times when he'd really established himself,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: especially here in Sydney, had a good group of mates
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: because he was around that sort of nine ten years
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: old where they start to, I guess build who they
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: are as a person, a bit more, a bit more independence.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: And he said, I can remember it broke my heart
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: when we said, oh, we're going to move back to Queensland.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: He started crying and he goes, I knew this was
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: going to happen, So that kills you, you know. But
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: it was easier for him because all of our family
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: in Queensland, so you could kind of sell, well, we're
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: going back to Nanny and Poppy and Grandmara and all
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: the cousins and stuff, so that made it easier. Then
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: we moved to Melbourne when he was about twelve, and
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: that was a bit harder because he was starting high school.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's when I yeah, that's when I relocated
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: to It's tough.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: So he started that and then that was you know,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: working through a lot of that was a bit tough.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Once again, he established himself and then we were like.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: We're on the shoulder.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: But that was back to Brisbane, which again was that
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: whole family thing that we could use, but we kind
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: of explained it to him in that position. We're in
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: a really weird one because we had Xander at the
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: time was two Esther was pregnant with Eden and he
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: was about to go into Grade ten and if I
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: signed on in Melbourne again for another two or three years,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: he would have been eighteen when that contract finished. So
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: we had to decide if we were going to move
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: back to and where we wanted to be, Like long term,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: we were probably going to be leaving him behind in Melbourne.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah wow, because he gets a girlfriend, gets a job,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: he's an adult that it moves out, that's his life
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: will be there, and so we were like, we want
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: to keep him as close to us as long as
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: we can.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, story as a whole.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: So yes, we had to make that. That was sort of
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: the decision on that.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's hardy. Do you remember how it was mentioning
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: to him that you're going to have more kids?
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: He was so ecstatic about it. Yeah, he was really excited.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: So how old was he before? When when you when
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: he would have been twelve when we fell pregnant with Xander. Yeah,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: so he'd had our full attention for a long time.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: He was the only grandchild for a long time as well. Yeah,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: now there's like seven hundred of them. But he was
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: he was so ecstatic. I remember we took him to
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: a scare and that we had after we told him
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: and we're finding out the sex of the baby that day,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: and he just couldn't sit still. And you know, like, mate,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: just sit still. He goes, you don't understand, this is
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: the best day of my life. And wow. So yeah,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: he was really excited.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: It must be so wild to obviously those moments for
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: me have been with my wife, but to be able
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: to share that with another family member, I can't imagine it.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, especially a twelve year old boy.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: And it's like for him to be excited, it must
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: have been really special because you could imagine that you
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: worried it might go the other way.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: He's like, well fuck, it's like, oh, my eleven year
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: old now would be like, oh what you guys are disgusting.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: I knew when you locked your door you were doing something.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I just knew it. You're not slick, bro.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I've heard you speak before about the fact that one
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: of your kids is the non sleeper. Was Eeden the
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: non sleeper?
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she was. I love her to death, but
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: she was a nightmare of a baby. What happened we
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: don't even know, if I'm gonna be honest with you,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: I don't even think the pediatrician knew. They were just
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: hoping to give us things to try seeing what it
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: would do. They think she had an acid reflux and
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: maybe colic, which I think if you read into it,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: they like, I.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Feel like everyone was like Lola was then on sleep,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: and I feel like everyone's just like I was just colic.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Silent reflex, yes, right, And I think do they just
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: do you reckon? They just say that to be like, oh,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: you've got a label.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say, we don't know reflex.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: No. I remember vividly a nurse turning him on his
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: side to sleep, and he just went.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: She was pinching him. She was silent, So that's what
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: it is on the side.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Child, and he went and it was like a silent reflex.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: On the esophagus is on a particular side. So if
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: you put them on the other side, get some rest.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Because obviously we're taught as new dad and your parents
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: in general.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Kid goes on their back of course. Yeah, yeah, she
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: put two towels and then you slept like an absolute dream.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: But don't do this at home. You're not allowed to
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: do it at home. To do it here, but I
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: definitely did it. But I think as she got older,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: we realized it was probably just her personality because she's
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: very specific in the things that she likes. So she's
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: very much like, has her matching outfits, has her places
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: things need to go. She has an idea in her
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: mind of how the day should be, and if it
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: changes slightly from that, it can really like derail her
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: from time to time. You describe sounds like my wife,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, definitely not my life. So it was it
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: was really tough because I was doing breakfast radio, so
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: I was getting up at three point thirty four in
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: the morning, and the only thing sometimes it would come
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: her down would be standing in the shower with her.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: And I don't even know how it happened, whether I
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: got up to have a shower for work and I
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: was like, just give it to me, give it me.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: But there were times at like two o'clock in the
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: morning after my wife hadn't slept a wink, and I'm like,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: I've got to get up in two hours anyway, so
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: I as well just get up, give me the baby.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: And I drained that hot water. I just just took
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: every last drop of it just to keep her quiet.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Or you put her in the bath or like a
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: change of scenery. I don't really know what it was,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: but yeah, would she just sleep on you, like in
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: the shell, or she just has just content, just content
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: with the water sort of running over her. It's weird. Yeah, yeah,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know what.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: It's just a sensitive way of approaching that.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Thank you. I stand by it. Super weird and so
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: different because the two boys were like, give them boob,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: give them food, they'll sleep. Yeah, that's like me now yea.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: But yeah, how was it then with you and esther?
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Because I like you were describing lolled to a tea right,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: And I remember we used to get anxiety as a
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: couple leading up to six seven o'clock because we're just
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: like we're going to just go through hell. It was
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: like nighttime was just harder and worse. And when you're
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: working and you're frustrated because you're tired and you you know,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: you just take it out on each other.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, we probably said some things we didn't really
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: mean it all sorts of times in the morning. I
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: don't know, man, it's like you're just in it and
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: you just think it's never going.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: To end, right, Yeah, yeah, there's no you don't see
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: the light at the end of the tunnel like sometimes
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: you do and you're like, this is such a really
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: nice moment.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: It can be like this all the time, of course,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: but we kind of we just knew every night was
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: going to be a fight, you know, you just knew.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: You do everything to plan properly, you think you were
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: going to be fine.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: But so then did you reach out for help when
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: you guys were struggling with the sleep.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: We went to the doctor a few times, and I
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: remember them when they said it was collic or reflux
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: or whatever. They gave us this medicine that had to
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: be compounded at the chemist, and I don't know, I
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: know exactly it probably have vile, yes, yeah, yeah, right,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: And it was like when you say compounded as in
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: mixed or yeah, they make it there so you can't
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: it's not pre made. You go to a special chemist
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: and they make it for you. Oh wow, Yeah, I'm
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: convinced it's just water. I thought so too, right, Yeah,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: but I don't know if I told you the same thing.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: The doctor was like, look, it may work, it may
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: not work. It takes like three months to start working.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: So if you think it's working and you take them off,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: it'll take another three months for it to start up again.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: So you kind of just got to decide whether you
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: want to risk it or not. And I was like,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: give me fifty fucking now. Yeah. I was like, I
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: don't care, give it to me. But you're like, I
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: don't know, I love that.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: It might or mind not where it's like science completely
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: skip this medication.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Is that at all? It might not work. Yeah. It's
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: also one thousand dollars a meal, so keep it refrigerated.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So did it make any difference?
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Couldn't tell you. Yeah me either, No idea it could have,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: but then again it couldn't. She's still on it now
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: and she's eight. It's great.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: So when did you guys come out of those trenches?
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: I think probably around four long time. Look, it gradually
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: got better, but yeah, I think three to four is
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: when it just it got more consistent. She's a fabulous
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: sleep in our touch?
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Would Lola put herself to sleep last night? She was,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: It's weird.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: She actually went to bed said I'm asleep.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Was she? I literally got pajamas on, was fapping around
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: with the book and the next thing, looked down and
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: she was asleep, and Marley's like, where's my book? And
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I was like, just the contrast if she you know,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I was looking at her asleep being like the pain
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: you put me.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Through, that's what we were promised. When did she kind
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: of come out the other end?
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I think it was around and it's all a blur.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I think the two year mark, Ryan, But yeah, we
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: used to put her in a cot in the hallway
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: so she was just as far away from all the
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: bedrooms as possible.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, because she.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Would just scream from like sunset to sunrise.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: It's so exhausting, isn't it. Like, and you said that before,
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: it's all a blur because your brain's like, I.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Don't want to remember that. Yeah. Yeah, And like we
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: were the same.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: I think we were like one and a half two
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: when Oscar started to actually sleep, and you know, he
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: was such a cranky baby, which, like we everyone hated
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: each other for so long. Yeah, and like you mentioned
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: about your daughter, now she's like such a good.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Sleeper and it's like, okay, you've had your torture. Yeah,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: how are you going now with the new bub Yeah?
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Great? I mean I like you, I want to jinx
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: every time I say things are great, I'm tempting fate
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: and feels like but just unreal. That's just world's apart,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: and I think it's kind of nicer. Marley was easy.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: So we were like, oh, why the fuck do parents
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: can plain so much? Yeah, Lolla just the other end
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: of the spectrum that we were like, oh my god,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: what have we done? And so we're just firmly fixed
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: embrace position for Poppy to arrive. And then so it's
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: just been our expectations were so low for what life
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: was going to be like that it's it's been a lot.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we recorded with the baby like right there, and
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: like a whole.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Episode with Laura. The baby made a couple of coups
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: and like and then that was it. It set. Isn't
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: it funny though, when you're a bit smug as a parent,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: how that just like rains down all fury on you.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Like I remember vividly speaking to Laura and being like,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: why do parents complain You're going to get us canceled
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: mat which I now regret.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I know, yeah, we would do that. My
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: sister in law has four kids, and she, you know,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: like at that point when i'd met esther, idn' been
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: through the baby thing, right, because Ethan was three, you know,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: have these toddler things you were killing. It was easy,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: as I used to think all the time, she'd be
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: real stressed about sleep times and eat times and naptimes.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: I'd be to and be like, oh my god, your
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: sister's so crazy. And then you get a newborn baby
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: and you're like, why.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Why we always talk about ash and I there's like
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: a parenting hierarchy when you meet a new parent and
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: you compare ages of their child versus your child, and
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: whoever has the older child is obviously the more dominant parent.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Of course, all the more kids, like I haven't convinced
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: that had a third so he could be the more
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: dominant out of the child's.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Work, more masculinity than me. So I was just like, Laura,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: come here, so far it's working. It is working, but
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: you are you are the alpha in this environ. You
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: are as granddad, granddaddy.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: When did you become a grandad? Let's start with that.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Just over a year ago and you were the age
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: of thirty seven. Got to be a record.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Do you know what the youngest grand grandchild, youngest grandparent is?
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: What's I think it's like horrific, like twenty Yeah, I
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: could doone that it would be some legalities, I think
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: in the youngest.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: But it was funny because it got picked The story
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: got picked up by a couple of you know, news outlets,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: and there was some over in the UK, and you know,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: the comments are always like, how is this possible with
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: the maths and blah blah blah blah blah. She looks
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: so young, I know, right because.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: People use a photo of you with no facial hair.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: You were just talking about this.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: I was like, who is that?
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: I'm sure we're all the same. We grow facial hair
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: to get some sort of respect, right.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Talking to you guys with mustache, that's all great.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: And so it was funny because in the comments you'd
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: see the people who are like, his wife's four years
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: older than him. If she was eighteen, he must have
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: been fourteen. That's illegal. And then you know, then you
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: get people who go coughing and she's just like, I
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: know right, She was saying to me, can you get
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: in there and say something. I'm like, no, popcorn, let
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: the speak. And then you get people from the UK
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: who be like, oh, that's completely normal my Auntie Bethel
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: and like you know, so yeah, An, Yeah, Auntie Bethel.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: She was always up to no good Auntie Bethel behavior.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so I was. I would was thirty seven,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: and yeah, it was a It was pretty crazy like it.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Even when Ethan so Ethan called me to say he
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: was proposing to his girlfriend and they'd only been dating
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: a very short time. They weren't pregnant at the time,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: but my first thing was is she pregnant? You've knocked her?
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: And he's like, why would you ask that. We've got
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: a couple of things on the go here. I'm at
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: a food and wine festival and I've had two bottles
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: of Chirats, So that's the first thing.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: Let me second question is you've just started dating mate,
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: Like that's but no, he was, Yeah, he'd fallen in
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: love and they wanted to get married, so wow.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I knew after that, I knew if
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: they moved that quick to get married. I was like,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: they're definitely you want to have kids quickly. Because he
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: was twenty three when he had his he would have
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: been twenty year two. Two. Oh, I can't think the
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: mass No, twenty three. You're right, you know him better
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: than I do.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Think.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I think. I came. I became a dad of what
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: twenty nine? And I was like, oh, that feels young,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: like he must have I mean, he mustn't. You must
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: know what he wants, which is a good quality to have.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Actually, I became another as you're becoming a granddad. I
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: had a third child.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Yeow, well, I said to esther, how crazy if we
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: went back for a third and you and our daughter
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: in law were in the hospital at the same time
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: and baby, God, modern family stuff, you like, let's do it.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: There's no chance of that happening. Yes, me too.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: So what's it like being a granddad at thirty seven?
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: It's actually really cool, right, Like it's funny because it's different,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: I guess because you know, like your grandparents they've got
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: a little bit more or your parents they've got a
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: bit more time because the kids at home. Right, So
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: the difficulties are if Maddie and Ethan want us to babysit,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: like we're still in the middle of Just throw me
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: in with the rest of them as well. Yeah, you
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: know kids who do dance and go to school and
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: football and parties and all the stuff, you know, and
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: then we take along our grandchild, you know. So and
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: then I think, like, what's it going to be like
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: when she goes to school and they have grandparents Day.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: You're getting roped into the double and you're skipping in,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to be forty two. You can be
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: helping them down the stairs. It's grandparents Day when I
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: go along.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: So what a flex you know, right, the only one
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: there with all your hips and knees and.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: There's so there's so much material in this it's amazing.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: We were talking.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: I'm like, what's the end goal? How many greats do
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: you want in front of grandfather? Before you You're.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Like, man, I could go if they keep it, if
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: all of my grandchildren they keep having them younger and younger,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: like you could be great great great great grandfather. Yeah,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: that might be some sort of record that I could crack. Surely, surely,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: very expensive Christmas, Please let me die. I kind of
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: all this, but yeah, it's it's yeah, it's crazy. And
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: obviously if I'm pushing the pram with her in there,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: people would assume she's my daughter. Yeah, totally, have you corrected?
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Just oh, I love it. Oh. It's if someone says, oh,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: your daughter's so cute. Okay, this is my granddaughter, and
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: then they go ha ha, No, she's my granddaughter, and
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: then you see their mind ticking, and then they're like,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: am I lad to ask? Should I ask? Yeah? How
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: did that happen? Like, yeah, I'm very young, I'm only
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: thirty eight. Anyway, have a great day, and I just
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: walk off. I did the opposite.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Remember I missed grandparents and someone else I was like, oh,
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: so this is your granddaughters Like oh yeah, I felt horrible.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: I just moved on with my day real quick. That's
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: that's like a woman could be nine months pregnant, the
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: baby could be halfway out, and I would still be like,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: oh are you pregnant? I did that too. That is
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: two godlets, I will did that part of Yeah. She
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: was like huge, I'm so sorry. Yeah, no you don't.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: You don't run there.
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: No.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, at the moment, the things that we have to
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: worry about his parents. Like my eldest Maley is six
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: and Oscar's six six at the same time a week apart, man,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: you know where, just to remind you.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Me, all right, So it's on you to remind him,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: don't you worry? I remind you. I know, his whole
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: family's birthdays. He doesn't even know mine.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: That's August twenty six, wrong.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: It's part of the stick.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: But the things that we have to worry about at
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: the moment are like, you know, teaching the kids how
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: to read, you know, having like little play dates. And
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I often try and imagine what it's going to be
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: like when my kids are in high school, in that
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: next stage of their lives.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: What is that like, It's a whole different ballgame.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: What do we have to watch out for.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: It's probably even changed a little bit more since like
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Ethan was in high school. But I mean, the social
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: media thing is a huge thing, right, Like that was
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: only just kicking off when he was in high school,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: like with Facebook and Instagram was a new thing, you know,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: like and we were like, we I know what I
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: was like as a teenager, so I would we'd check
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: his phone a lot, you know, he got catfished on
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Facebook by someone. Yeah, this very attractive girl was sending
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: him messages. And this is before AI too, so there's
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: a lot of effort that goes into this one. And
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, yeah, classic, you know, chatting da
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: da da. But then as I went through the messages
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: more and more they were asking him to send explicit
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: picks to her. Wow, And I was like, this is full.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: On, and can I just ask would you check his
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: phone regularly or correct?
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah? And we were open with him about that because
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: he had an iPhone and we're like, you know, we
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: to give you this to have, but we will check
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: it like and frequently. So the scariest flag in the
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: whole thing was they were asking for the photos of him,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: but they were wanted his face in them. They were
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: very like, make sure your faces in them. We want
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: your face. Your face has got to be in it.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: And luckily we caught it in time because then when
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: I sort of looked into it, they use it to
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: blackmail the kid, to go like, hey, we have this
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: photo of you. We're not this chick. You know, We're
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: going to send it to all your contacts on Facebook
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: unless you do yeah, you know, And you've heard stories
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: about it before. It didn't get that farther, Like we
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: knew that's where it was going to go.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: But and had he mentioned to you those messages were
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: there or did you?
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: We found them. I found them.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Fuck imagine if yeah, later, you're making parenting right now
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: for me seem really easy.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that seems like really like oh man, yeah,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: totally right, And so we caught that. Luckily, iPhone straight
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: off him went to Big w and bought the shittiest
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Nokia phone you could possibly get. That was just texting
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: and calling, and he had to earn back the phone.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: But it's a hard one to manage because when we
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: took that away from him, all of his basketball team
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: and stuff they were all on Messenger, so he missed
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: out on a whole heap of things to do with
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: his friends and stuff because they don't really text, so
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: it's hard to.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: We don't want to isolate.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Them, correct, So we had to manage that. That was
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: probably one of the scariest moments.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: It's also hard too, because it's like he's a teenage
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: boy thinking he's talking to a girl, which is completely
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: normal and it's.
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: Exciting, and then all of a sudden you're being punished
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: for it, and it's like because you don't understand what
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: you were actually the rabbit hole you were going down
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: because you are still a teenager.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: And then you've got to navigate that as a parent.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Oh man, I'm freaking out already in my kids. He's
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: away from that.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: So that stuff, that stuff is scary to navigate. But
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: you know, I think my only advice to people, and
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: you know, whether it's try to wrong, is just be
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: like so grossly open and honest about things that you
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: can catch it if it makes sense.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I look back now when I was a
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: teenager and how gross and honest my mum was with
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: me all the time.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Now that I.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: Think it's you know, like what she spent half an
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: hour telling me what an orgasm was, and I'm like,
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, Mum, I'm.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Fourteen, probably a little too open. Let me show you
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: whoa whoa whoa Wow. We'll take it out.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: That's right, that's good, get just out of curiosity. What
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: is an orgasm? I don't know, but they feel good.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: I'll say. This is another one which was another wild
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: story was as Ethan got older, he had a girl
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: who was his girlfriend was real. This one was real nice,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: but that was obviously also starting to take like some
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: of the messages were starting to take a bit of
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: a sexual turn, as they do when they're chatting or whatever.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: And I said to Estogo, you know, he's fifteen, We're
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: going to have to have the talk. We obviously talked
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: about how it all works before she goes, in what way?
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: I said, he needs to know how to put on
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: a condom. Yeah, she goes, how are you going to
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: teach him that?
• 41:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm glad you asked. It's like, hold my bee,
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: grab one out, one of the extra large ones.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Of course, of course, grab it out. Come storm to
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: go down the down the hallway. Kick probably wasn't this dramatic,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: but I feel like, kick the door open. It's like,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: we need a chat. He's on like chatting playing games online.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Of his mates say, oh, my dad's here. Boys will
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: be a second anyway, say, when we've seen the messages,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: we don't think you should obviously you know, be going
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: you know, doing that still too young or uh, anyway,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: let's learn how to put a condom on. Grab his
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: PlayStation remote, tear it open.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: I was like, what are you doing?
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you need to know, you need to and
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: you rolled it over it? Did you get it back
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: to him? Yeah? So he was like half traumatized, half educated,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: perfect all perfected parenting.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: All the boys in the game are like, what the
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: is going on.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: While they're on Xbox playing Papal Mansion. So I probably
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: could have done that in a in a better way,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: but I was only in my twenties. Yeah, you just
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: learned how to put it, You're right, you know, so
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: you you never really know how to do something, You
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: just I think it just it's like a band, you
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: do your best.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: I think, oh man, I'm I'm petrified now thinking about it.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: But then at the same time, I like the idea
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: of approaching.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: It with a bit of humor. Yeah, get help. I
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: think it helped.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: And I know I remember me as a teenage boy
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: and you would have been the same the same.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Embarrassment is the worst punishment. So I think I've been
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: able to have it.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: And that's that's my mum was trying to tell me
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: what an orgasm was, and I'm like.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I just don't.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: But I think if it was made to be about
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: to be a bit more fun and funny, Yeah, it
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: would have sunk in a lot more.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: I would know what it is, you know what I mean? Yeah,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: I definitely, I definitely know. I mean it kind of
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: breaks the ice a little bit.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know what, he'll tell that story down
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: the line too, and it's like, that's an amazing story
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: to have.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's quite girthy though, those controllers.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Well he's used to it. I'm not.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Anyway, moving on, my god, we love kids books. What
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: a segue?
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Hey, well, you know what, you've got to take the
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: condumn off to make the kids, to sell them the books.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: You have a kids Yes, I believe we're a table
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: of authors, right, that would be we're all.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Didn't do that all.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. We still write it.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: We were published.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know what?
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: The library down at my place has heaps of copies
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: of it and they're all out all the time.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: So that's a good sign. Excellent something too.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Hey, that's every time I tell that story, is yours out?
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, it's called Bumble, the bum Stinger and ours
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: we kind of did it. The proceeds all going to
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: the Make a Wish Foundation, So people will buy a
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: book if you guild them. We've found away, So yeah,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: why make a wish we did on our radio show,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: like it was all part of the like all the
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: listeners would have got involved helping us write it. You know,
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: the best thing about a radio show on the podcast,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: you can outsource it to the listeners, which is good
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: and we wanted to do. Sometimes it's really hard, you know,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: when you do charity stuff. It can be for people
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: everyone's going through something, you know, and it can be
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: hard to pick one cause sometimes like that's where we
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: put it. You know, we've done a lot of things
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: on our show before where we've helped people individually and stuff.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: So we wanted to just do something a bit more joyful,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: if that makes sense. And I just love make a
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: wish like what they do, not just for the kids
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: who've gone through really hard time. A lot of the
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: wishes are for the whole family, because you know, they're
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: siblings of those kids who've had to deal with a
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: lot of trauma, who've had to give up a lot
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: of their stuff to help their brother or their sister
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: through that time. And Abby, who I'm on air with,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: had a friend of hers who had had a child
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: get a wish granted before and we just thought like
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: that was the perfect charity to support, So that's why
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: we picked them.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Can I ask. I don't want to give away any spoilers,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: but what does the bum stinger get up to?
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Stings all of his friends. He's just pretty much a pest,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: can't get anyone to like them, And then the three
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: friends had to plan to protect themselves from the bum Stinger.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: I know what we're reading at bedtime tonight. My kids
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: are going to love that. The word bum is well play.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, that was my contribution to the book. So the
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: other three characters are Stave, Abby and myself, my co
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: hosts on the radio show It's Cool and It Rhymes,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: which was the other thing, and that One of the
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: main things we decided on the book was we wanted
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: to make it long enough that you didn't have to
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: read two books, but short enough that you didn't have
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: to skip a page and accidentally skip a page that
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: they really love and they go, you missed a page,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: go back to the start. We went wrong there.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: We didn't think about that, did we, Because now it's
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: like ours is like a bit too long, and.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: People are like, dare you do this to me?
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: It's a marathon. Every book reading.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is cool, really colorful.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: I like, and where is it available?
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: So book topia dot com dot au is we can
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: get that. But it's a different world making a book
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: because you guys know they need time to do stuff. Yeah,
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: But it's also it's like, here's my analogy. If you're
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: going to be in a play where you've got heaps
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: to say, you don't stress so much of each word
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: because you've got so much of them. But when you're
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: writing a kid's book and you've only got a really
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: finite number of words, agonize over every single one, it's harder.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: I reckon, Yeah, definitely. Even when we wrote ours and
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: then we sent it off to the editor to check
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: and they send it back and we're obviously done because
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: we changed a lot of those words.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: Matt.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Matt actually rewrote most.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Of our book off the back of a ghostwriter because
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: he had a much better vision.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: I would say, and.
• 47:25
  Speaker 7: He could, and the micromanager in me was like, I
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: need He was like, do you mind if I rewrite?
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: It was like, I'm not much of a writer, but
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: you're right, Matt, trying to get your message into only
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: a finite amount of words and keep the engagement of
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: a child is so much harder than trying to well
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: as I would imagine. I've never written a play.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Maybe we should do that. I just wish my English
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: teacher was alive to see it, because I handed in
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: no assignments in year twelve. I think she would be
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: so proud that I've actually got something written down.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: My English seachure said I would be a used car salesman,
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: and I was, and then I wrote a book, So
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: fuck you.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: We always end the episode on a hypothetical, but this
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: is a little bit different because you've, as a granddad,
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  Speaker 1: experienced this. But now that your first son has flown
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  Speaker 1: the nest, he's no longer living at home, And tell me,
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  Speaker 1: if you've achieved this or not, what is the one
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  Speaker 1: thing you want him to remember about the house he
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  Speaker 1: grew up in.
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  Speaker 2: I think you want them to remember it as somewhere
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  Speaker 2: they could always come back to. Now. I know that
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  Speaker 2: is probably the cliche answer. Everyone gets you. Everyone probably does.
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, usually like once they go, they go on get
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  Speaker 2: out of here, right, Yeah, I thought we would think
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  Speaker 2: that too. You know, he moved out. He had the
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  Speaker 2: biggest bedroom downstairs, and I was like, sweet, I'm getting
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  Speaker 2: that real estate. But then after a couple of nights,
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  Speaker 2: you're kind of sitting around thinking where are they and
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  Speaker 2: what are they doing? You know. So I would always
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  Speaker 2: want him to remember that it's his house so he
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  Speaker 2: can come back anytime he wants, and he does. He
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  Speaker 2: walks through the door, He's like, oh, mom, hod it
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  Speaker 2: opens up the fridge, take something out. And I guess
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  Speaker 2: in my situation that he is as equal as all
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  Speaker 2: the other kids. That's always been really important to us that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he's never felt like, you know, he's a
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  Speaker 2: step child or anything like that. And I would hope
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  Speaker 2: that he felt like that growing up, that that's how
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  Speaker 2: he was treated, and that's how I see him anyway,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like I never even say, oh, he's my
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  Speaker 2: step son. I always just call him my son. I
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  Speaker 2: love that. Yeah, that would be my main, main thing.
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  Speaker 1: It's great man, I acted, and it's been a pleasure.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you boys. This has been a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks so much for spending some time with us and
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  Speaker 3: gifting us a book for us to read tonight to
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  Speaker 3: our children.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I wouldn't even hold it against you if you
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  Speaker 2: read it once and then it got regifted or throw
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  Speaker 2: it in the bin. You know. It's like I always
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  Speaker 2: say to my wife, if there's incoming into the house,
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  Speaker 2: there needs to be something outgoing. Yeah, be careful because
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  Speaker 2: it'll be you one day.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks, thank you much. Do you know what I kind
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  Speaker 1: of wish? I kind of wish I was a granddad.
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  Speaker 2: Really thirty seven?
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  Speaker 1: I want to be a young granddad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like a guilf.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah I think so, Yeah, I think so. No, I
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  Speaker 1: just want to be amongst the other granddads being like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: can you do this?
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  Speaker 2: It's like run can you walk? Unassisted?
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  Speaker 1: We'll show on you guys.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The only thing you won't be able to keep up
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  Speaker 3: with them is their memory because you have a similar memory.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, if you've a job this episode, leave us
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  Speaker 1: a review, because let's get out of here. I'm very offended.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, and YouTube yep.
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  Speaker 1: And if you would like us to interview any mom's
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  Speaker 1: dad's granddad, granddad's grandmothers, give us some suggestions. We've got
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  Speaker 1: some great guests lined up for this year, but obviously
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  Speaker 1: if there's one that you're itching to hear from, we
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  Speaker 1: would love to scratch that for you.
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  Speaker 3: The good thing about the word, Gilf Matthew is it
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  Speaker 3: works both ways for grandma and granddad.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well let's get out of here anyway. We'll see
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  Speaker 1: you later. Two Doting Dads podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians
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  Speaker 1: of country throughout Australia and the connections to land, sea
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  Speaker 1: and community.
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  Speaker 3: We pay our respects to their elders past and present
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  Speaker 3: and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torrestraight Islander
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  Speaker 3: peoples today.
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  Speaker 2: This episode was recorded on Gadigal Land