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Mac & Bone Show - Tom Luginbill Interview · Mac & Bone Podcast

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  Speaker 1: My friend.
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  Speaker 2: Shout out to our next guest, who is dubbed the
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  Speaker 2: Early Morning Hours when you get stuff done the Champions Hours.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know if a twenty five still qualifies
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  Speaker 2: as the Champions Hours, but I know this man as
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  Speaker 2: he prepares to cover another day of ACC Kickoff here
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  Speaker 2: and Charlotte, the final day of ACC Kickoff, I know
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  Speaker 2: he rose early and got it going in the Champions Hours.
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  Speaker 2: It is great to catch up with our guy from
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  Speaker 2: ESPN ACC Network, Tom Lougan, Bill, who joins us here
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  Speaker 2: on the Mac and Bone Show, luges.
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  Speaker 1: What's happening man, How you feeling.
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing good, guys, It's good to be back on
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  Speaker 3: with you. Hope you've had a great week.
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  Speaker 2: But Bone is in Nashville, by the way, So you're
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  Speaker 2: getting You're getting, You're getting me, You're getting Fitty the
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  Speaker 2: Bone man. Bone Man's proud of himself because he drived
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  Speaker 2: from one time zone to another time zone yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: So does that make you a champion?
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  Speaker 3: Luke's well, what an accomplishment? I mean, always smokes. I'm
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  Speaker 3: so proud of the young lad.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't take much for Bone to celebrate, all right,
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  Speaker 2: but he was happy it is kind of like my
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  Speaker 2: wife has for me at the house, a very low
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  Speaker 2: bar declar And thank god for that, Lukes. I was
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  Speaker 2: watching you guys yesterday on the ACC Network. I hurt
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of your radio stuff as well. So,
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  Speaker 2: and I know you're hyped up about this like we are.
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  Speaker 2: The fact that we're getting a talking season, it means
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  Speaker 2: the real stuff. We'll be here before we know it.
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  Speaker 2: One team that was talking real BOWLD this week, I
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  Speaker 2: guess wasn't the team. It was Dave Dorn. It was
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  Speaker 2: quarterback CJ. Bailey, it was NC State. They were real.
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  Speaker 2: They were talking about championships and Doran, Hey, I'm tired
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  Speaker 2: of being second and all this stuff. There's more meat
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  Speaker 2: on the bone for this program. What do you make
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  Speaker 2: of the of the confidence and the way they talked
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  Speaker 2: like that and the way Dorn talked and do you
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  Speaker 2: believe that? But they could be better than people think
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  Speaker 2: this year.
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  Speaker 3: So first of all, I love the aggressive approach in
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  Speaker 3: terms of their narrative because usually they're not like that.
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  Speaker 3: Usually they're kind of sitting back, lying in the weeds.
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  Speaker 3: And yes, I want to believe it. The problem is
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  Speaker 3: that every time you start to believe it, or you
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  Speaker 3: start to tout it, they find a way to come
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  Speaker 3: up empty handed. And so I've been real hesitanting. I
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  Speaker 3: told Roddy Jones I college Football, Yeah Live yesterday or
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  Speaker 3: two days ago. We were talking about said, dude, you
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  Speaker 3: jinxed them. You jinxed them. Don't say it, don't talk
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  Speaker 3: about them. Let them get you know, sit off into
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  Speaker 3: the background and then emerge as the season starts. But
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  Speaker 3: you're right, it's a different approach to me. Clearly, they've
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  Speaker 3: got a significant quarterback advantage, right, I mean CJ. Bailey
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  Speaker 3: is an absolute difference maker. But they've also got a
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  Speaker 3: lot of new faces around him. I think they feel
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  Speaker 3: like they've got the right new faces. They love their
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  Speaker 3: new receiving cores. Even though they lost Hollywood Smothers still
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  Speaker 3: get Duke Scott back, Davion Gobs comes over through the portal.
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  Speaker 3: I think their run game is going to be going
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  Speaker 3: to be good. How much or can they get rushing
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  Speaker 3: the passer? On defense, I think that's the question you
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  Speaker 3: know under DJ Elliott on the defensive side of the football.
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  Speaker 3: But I like them, and the thing I like most
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  Speaker 3: about them is their schedule outside of outside of Virginia,
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  Speaker 3: who I don't know who they paid off or what,
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  Speaker 3: but that is the scheduling got sprinkled. Schedule dust on
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  Speaker 3: Virginia for two years in a row, and NC State
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  Speaker 3: got a little bit of that dust too. So the
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  Speaker 3: schedule plays out well, you know, and they go into
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  Speaker 3: that first game against Virginia and you know, Virginia is
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  Speaker 3: going to figure out is it both Privula? Is it
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  Speaker 3: Eli Holstein? I think it'll be Privula coming over from Missouri.
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  Speaker 3: But they've got a I mean, you're talking about a
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  Speaker 3: roster of Virginia. It's been totally overhauled for the second
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  Speaker 3: year in a row, and can they find that magic?
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  Speaker 3: So when you go into an opener like that and
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  Speaker 3: you have a known commodity and a damage at quarterback,
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  Speaker 3: I think it gives you an edge.
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  Speaker 2: Clemson's another team obviously that we are talking about a
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  Speaker 2: ton and I mean, Dabbo Tabo has talk so much
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  Speaker 2: this offseason, and I give him credit, Lukes. He's been
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  Speaker 2: very accountable about last year. He says is on me,
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  Speaker 2: he wasn't good enough. But he also I love when
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  Speaker 2: he goes into reading off his resume mode just to
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  Speaker 2: kind of remind him. Hold on, do you remember I
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  Speaker 2: did all these things. What's your gut feeling about this
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  Speaker 2: Clemson team? Will they be better than last year? And
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  Speaker 2: if so, how much better?
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  Speaker 3: So my gut feeling is that the best thing that
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  Speaker 3: is happening to them right now is that nobody's talking
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  Speaker 3: about Yeah. I mean, think about it over the last
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  Speaker 3: eighteen years, how many times if we had a preseason
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  Speaker 3: where they're not the focal point of not just the
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  Speaker 3: league but college football. I mean, it's unbelievable. So I
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  Speaker 3: like where they're at, lying in the weeds while everybody's
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  Speaker 3: discussing everybody else, they're kind of doing their own thing.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's maybe a positive reset for them. The
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  Speaker 3: whole thing is going to come down to whether they
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  Speaker 3: made the right choice at the quarterback position, because when
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  Speaker 3: you start having those discussions about do we or do
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  Speaker 3: we not go into the portal, you don't have those
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  Speaker 3: discussions lightly and you're sitting down with a new offensive
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  Speaker 3: coordinator and Chad Morris, and you got to feel and
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  Speaker 3: I've talked to a lot of coaches man that did
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  Speaker 3: not feel like this was a great portal class at quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody was overly excited about anybody, and so the small
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  Speaker 3: sample size. You got at chriss in a and the
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  Speaker 3: true freshman and Tate Reynolds coming in. They had to
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  Speaker 3: be absolutely convinced that they had better options in house
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  Speaker 3: and didn't need to go out and spend or overspend
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  Speaker 3: in the transfer portal. So we're going to find out
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  Speaker 3: if that's true. I mean that at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the day, because their offensive weapons are terrific. Chris Johnson
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  Speaker 3: Junior comes over from SMU. He's an electrifying weapon on
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  Speaker 3: offense and as a return man. Now they're going to
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  Speaker 3: have to replenish some bodies obviously in the offense and
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  Speaker 3: the defensive line, but hell, who isn't ye so, but
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  Speaker 3: I love their linebacking core. I think their secondary is
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  Speaker 3: going to be just fine. We'll see what happens. I
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  Speaker 3: just think they're in a healthier spot with the pressure
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  Speaker 3: off them a little bit to kind of regroup, get
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  Speaker 3: back to the drawing board and figure out a solution.
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  Speaker 3: I do think they'll be better than they were a
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  Speaker 3: year ago.
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  Speaker 2: Tom Lougan Bill ESPNACC Network covering ACC kickoff this week
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  Speaker 2: final day to day talking with us here on the
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  Speaker 2: Mac and Bone Show. How to text or send a
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  Speaker 2: question in this week, it says, Mac, you and Bone
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  Speaker 2: been hyping up Miami so much as if we're the
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  Speaker 2: only ones. Lukes, by the way, no one else talking
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  Speaker 2: about Miami at all, he says, He says, would you
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  Speaker 2: bet are they Are you so convinced they're winning the conference?
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  Speaker 2: You would take them over the field in the ACC?
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  Speaker 2: I think wouldn't most people take them over the field?
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  Speaker 2: Or am I crazy? What do you think about that question?
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  Speaker 3: I think on paper, you have to right now, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, if you're going to sit there and you're
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  Speaker 3: a look at concerns in relationship to Miami. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think they are talent related. I don't think they are
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  Speaker 3: depth related. I don't think their experience related. The biggest
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  Speaker 3: concern is have you spent all off season reading your
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  Speaker 3: press clippings? Have you been listening to the accolades, accepting
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  Speaker 3: the paths on the back that stuff. It's psychological, but
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  Speaker 3: it matters and it happens. And you know, remember when
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  Speaker 3: Mac Brown had that great initial season with Sam Hawe
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  Speaker 3: and all of these expectations. They thought they were going
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  Speaker 3: to just rip through the next year, and they stunk.
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  Speaker 3: I think they went three to nine or something. I
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  Speaker 3: mean it was unbelievable, and so that's where I get
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  Speaker 3: worried about with Miami. I think they're going to be
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  Speaker 3: upgraded at quarterback with Darien Menza coming over, the offensive weapons,
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  Speaker 3: the running back, Mark Fletcher, defensive secondary, and the linebacking
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  Speaker 3: corps very strong. Obviously, you've got to replace a keem
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  Speaker 3: Mezadorn and Ruben Bain on defense. But what Miami's done
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  Speaker 3: is good a job, if not better than anybody in
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  Speaker 3: college football will last two to three years. Is they
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  Speaker 3: have been able to develop and retain their high school
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  Speaker 3: prospects and get them engaged early as their foundation of
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  Speaker 3: their roster, and then sprinkle in experienced, older transfer portal
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  Speaker 3: players to supplement it, and that blend. You know, they're
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  Speaker 3: not too transfer portal heavy, They're not too young and
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  Speaker 3: inexperienced heavy. They kind of have that right Nick, right
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  Speaker 3: there in.
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  Speaker 2: The middle, Lukes, I would love for my tar Heel
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  Speaker 2: fan friends that listen. I would love for them to
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  Speaker 2: get it going, for Belichick and company to get it going.
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  Speaker 2: And I do love Bobby Patrino coming in. But I'm
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  Speaker 2: reading the Phil Steel magazine and there they are. I'm
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  Speaker 2: looking at toughest schedules thirteen, toughest schedule in the country,
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  Speaker 2: hardest schedule in the ACC. They had a cake one
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  Speaker 2: last year and won four games. I mean, is it like,
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  Speaker 2: can they handle that schedule and have a better record
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  Speaker 2: than last year or no?
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  Speaker 1: What do you think? Well?
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  Speaker 3: I think a lot of that's going to depend on
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  Speaker 3: whether or not they get the quarterback position right this
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  Speaker 3: time around, whether that's Billy Edwards, whether that's Texas and
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  Speaker 3: m transfer mile Zoneal or even the freshman Travis Burgess,
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  Speaker 3: who I know Bobby Petrino does not want to play
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  Speaker 3: with a freshman. You're right, the schedule is different, and
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  Speaker 3: while I think they're probably going to be improved, are
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  Speaker 3: they going to be improved enough because you're talking about
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  Speaker 3: having to get into the fourth quarter and get into
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  Speaker 3: one score matchups with a lot of the teams on
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  Speaker 3: that schedule that they're not as talented as so. I
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  Speaker 3: think that's you know, a pretty tall order. The thing
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  Speaker 3: that's interesting, nobody really wanted to acknowledge it, but down
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  Speaker 3: the stretch, when you consider how abysmal they were on offense,
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  Speaker 3: the defense actually held up.
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  Speaker 1: Oh played real good, late, real.
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  Speaker 3: Good, played really good. I mean, think about it, they
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  Speaker 3: were zero to eight when the defense gave up fifteen
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  Speaker 3: points to more. Well, what does that tell you about
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  Speaker 3: your offense? Right? So they you know, I think if
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  Speaker 3: they can get any help from the offensive side of
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  Speaker 3: the football, they're gone. I mean, now, listen, there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of new faces on defense. Don't get me wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Most of their best players went off to somewhere else
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  Speaker 3: in the transfer portal. But the interesting note on offense
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  Speaker 3: is they when they ran for one hundred and forty
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  Speaker 3: five yards or more last year, they were three and
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  Speaker 3: oh baby Petrino at Arkansas last year. The only two
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  Speaker 3: teams they didn't rush for one hundred and forty five
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  Speaker 3: yards of more against were Auburn and I want to
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  Speaker 3: say Missouri. So they're gonna want to run the football.
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  Speaker 3: But can the quarterback make the plays in the passing
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  Speaker 3: game and make them better?
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  Speaker 1: That's a big question, no doubt about it. All.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So we have a Texter that's a nole stand
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  Speaker 2: So let's let's humor this guy. He wants to know
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  Speaker 2: do we get can we get eight wins this year?
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  Speaker 2: But then he also asked, or will Norvell be fired
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  Speaker 2: by by week five? What's your projection for Florida State.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting. I think their offensive skill, the
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  Speaker 3: running back position, the tight end position, the two receivers,
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  Speaker 3: and Micah Dancy and Deuce Robinson are really really good.
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  Speaker 3: But until you figure out the solution at quarterback and
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  Speaker 3: in the offensive line, they're going to have five to
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  Speaker 3: starters in the offensive line, all out of the transfer portals,
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  Speaker 3: no developed guys that they brought in, all somebody else's guys.
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  Speaker 3: And then Ashton Daniels. You know, he might be an
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  Speaker 3: upgrade over Tommy cast Solanos, certainly an upgrade over dj Uyongola.
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  Speaker 3: But how much of an upgrade is he is he?
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  Speaker 3: Is he a guy that won't screw it up? Or
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  Speaker 3: is he a guy that can win games for you?
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  Speaker 3: It's an absolute difference maker. I don't know if I
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  Speaker 3: believe he's a difference maker now. Defensively, they showed some
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  Speaker 3: promise last year, and they made some strides under Tony White.
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  Speaker 3: I think in year two they'll get better in that regard.
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  Speaker 3: But man, the schedule that you back to back weeks
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  Speaker 3: with SMU in Alabama, the schedules not overly forgiving. And hey, listen,
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  Speaker 3: the heat is on in Tallahassee and Mike Norvel knows
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  Speaker 3: that it's just been frustrated to watch them because they
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  Speaker 3: are the example in college football that when you make
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  Speaker 3: the right choices in the transfer portal, you look like
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  Speaker 3: a genius. When you make the wrong ones right, you're
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  Speaker 3: an absolute idiot. And that's just the perception that comes.
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  Speaker 3: That's the perception that because people they don't realize that
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  Speaker 3: that twenty twenty three team, every star on that team,
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  Speaker 3: including the quarterback, was a transfer, every one of them.
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  Speaker 3: The receivers, the tight end, the running back, the quarterback,
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  Speaker 3: Bradon fifths, the defensive end. The defense then on the
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  Speaker 3: other side is playing for the Rams. Right now, all
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  Speaker 3: of those guys are transfers. And then they went what
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  Speaker 3: two consecutive cycles and we'll see if it's three. Were
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  Speaker 3: they made all the wrong decisions in the portal? Then
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  Speaker 3: we saw the result.
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  Speaker 1: The variance there was crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Same people evaluating that that was that was crazy, man,
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  Speaker 2: it's not. But it's not an exact science. You evaluate
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  Speaker 2: for a living, right, you evaluate these recruits. Yeah, I guess,
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  Speaker 2: I guess you can't do it right every time. I'll
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  Speaker 2: just say this though, if you evaluated my one year
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  Speaker 2: of pee wee football tape. I will say this that you,
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  Speaker 2: without certainty would say that that guy is not a player.
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  Speaker 2: I know that you would not mess up that about it.
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  Speaker 2: I was the guy that played basketball my whole life.
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  Speaker 2: Tried football one year to play with my friends and
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  Speaker 2: asked my dad Lukes if I could quit by week
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  Speaker 2: five And he told it said and it said hell no, Hell,
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  Speaker 2: you guys are crazy playing that sport.
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  Speaker 1: Bro crazy, I love.
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  Speaker 3: But it was a good dad that didn't let you quit.
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  Speaker 2: No, taught me a lesson, man, man, But I love
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  Speaker 2: watching y'all. But man, that support is for me to watch,
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  Speaker 2: you know, except great to watch.
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  Speaker 1: Brother.
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  Speaker 2: Although you play quarterbacks, it whatn't like you were into
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  Speaker 2: trenches though, but you had to take a hit though
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly I depended on those trenches.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to act like you're like you're not
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  Speaker 2: a tough guy. All right, brother, Hey, it's good to
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  Speaker 2: talk to you. Man. Hope to talk to you a
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  Speaker 2: couple of times once things get going. Great seeing you
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  Speaker 2: on TV yesterday. To keep up the good work, brother,
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  Speaker 2: all right, we'll do thanks.
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  Speaker 3: Man,