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#1650 My Mate Coggers - Gorgi Coghlan · The You Project

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Speaker 1: Good team. It's Harps, it's Georgia, it's Melissa, it's us,
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Speaker 1: it's you, it's the Bloody You project. Ah couldn't be happier.
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Speaker 1: It's Monday. The birds are singing, the bees are buzzing,
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Speaker 1: the grass as green as fuck, the sky's blue. There's
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Speaker 1: good energy in Hampton. I've had my coffee, my sympathetic
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Speaker 1: nervous systems white as fuck up. I'm about indorphins, dopamine.
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Speaker 1: I get paid for this, Melissa. This is my actual job.
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Speaker 2: It's crazy, isn't it. It's crazyiculous. Someone's gonna work it
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Speaker 2: out suited up.
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Speaker 1: And in the last week we had one hundred and
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Speaker 1: ten thousand listeners, half a million people a month tune
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Speaker 1: into this little fucking extravaganza. What is that about?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely crazy? But hey, you keep it coming. We're loving it.
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Speaker 2: So thank you to everybody that he's listening.
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Speaker 1: Mary, my beautiful mother, everyone who most of you know.
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Speaker 1: Mary thinks I still work on the wireless. There's a
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Speaker 1: show on the wireless, bless. I've only told her forty
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Speaker 1: seven times what a fucking podcast is anyway. Georgie Coughlin
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Speaker 1: aka coggas Hi, Oh, good.
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Speaker 2: Morning, Cray good morning, Melissa. You're right. There's a really
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Speaker 2: buzzing here at the moment, isn't there.
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Speaker 3: There's something about I think it's because we're coming out
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Speaker 3: of our third winter of a pandemic, Craig. We are
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Speaker 3: chopping at the bit, and there's something in our spirit
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Speaker 3: that's been reignited.
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Speaker 1: I think there is the energy of nature and us
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Speaker 1: in that energy. Spring is when spring? When is spring? October?
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Speaker 1: We're already in spring. We're in spring.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say spring has sprung, but
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Speaker 1: I thought maybe I got my months wrong. Spring has sprung?
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Speaker 1: How did you go yesterday? Cougar's? Can I call you Cougars?
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Speaker 2: I love that you're calling me Cogo's. I love that
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Speaker 2: you just know straight away what the nickname is.
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Speaker 1: Perfect Cogga's. How did you go yesterday with daylight savings?
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Speaker 1: Did it throw you? Or did you just slide straight in?
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Speaker 2: I just lived straight in, Craig, because you know what
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Speaker 2: I thought it was last night, so I got my
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Speaker 2: days mixed up, so you know, as you would know
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Speaker 2: better than anyone, the power of the mind. I just
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Speaker 2: slept through the night thinking I'll deal with that tomorrow night.
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Speaker 2: I'm when I woke up realized that I'd missed the
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Speaker 2: boat and I was already in daylight savings and so
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Speaker 2: you ripper didn't sort of affect me. So there you go.
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Speaker 2: I just need to sort of kid myself and maybe
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Speaker 2: trick my brain next time when it comes to things
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Speaker 2: that I usually get anxious about.
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Speaker 1: What do you get anxious about? Are you an anxious
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Speaker 1: person typically? And I'm sure it varies because we all
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Speaker 1: have a bit of it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really mixed bag. I don't think I really
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Speaker 2: got into anxiety or it got me until I became mum, right,
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Speaker 2: and then it sort of really hit me. And I
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Speaker 2: think that catastrophizing of what could happen really hit home.
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Speaker 2: And since then I've certainly been very open on my
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Speaker 2: about my mental health. And I'm anxiety is probably the
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Speaker 2: one thing that really can snatch me when I'm least
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Speaker 2: ready for it, and meditation is my absolute savior and
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Speaker 2: life changing all that I use in my life. But
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Speaker 2: I sort of have a fairly my mental health is
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Speaker 2: a which we might go into is a daily routine
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Speaker 2: for me, So it's a daily practice and that's changed
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Speaker 2: my life. But I consider get to the point now
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Speaker 2: where I don't need to manage my anxiety because I
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Speaker 2: do all the other stuff that manages my mental health.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good for you. That's amazing. We have a friend
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Speaker 1: of ours who's on the show frequently. We'll call her
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Speaker 1: an alumni of the You Project. Her name is doctor
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Speaker 1: Jody Richardson, and she's ACE, and she has a show.
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Speaker 1: I just love the name of a show. So whenever
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Speaker 1: I can say it, I say it. The name of
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Speaker 1: her show is well, Hollo, anxiety. That's the name of
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Speaker 1: her I say it like that because it's like, oh, hi, well,
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Speaker 1: hello anxiety. That's the name. What I do?
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Speaker 2: I literally go, oh, good morning, anxiety here today? Are
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Speaker 2: you well? Oh?
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Speaker 1: Get it mate, what's up? What? Why are you here?
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Speaker 1: It's like it, don't you think, I mean, this is
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Speaker 1: a fucking dumb thing to say that. Don't you think?
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Speaker 1: The mind is incredible? Like for good and bad? Like,
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Speaker 1: isn't it amazing that you can be in a situation
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Speaker 1: practically where there's nothing bad? You know, in the moment
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Speaker 1: on that day. Everything's okay, kids, a good husband's good,
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Speaker 1: life's good, business, are good, got some dollars in the bank?
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Speaker 1: Careers go and find there's really it, like compared to
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Speaker 1: some people in the world. Your life's fucking Hollywood. But
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Speaker 1: in the middle of that, you can be a train
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Speaker 1: wreck because there's something going on in that brain slash
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Speaker 1: mind that's telling you, no, this is a problem, something
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Speaker 1: bad's going to happen, despite evidence to the contrary.
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Speaker 2: And that, for me, Craig is the work that for
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Speaker 2: me is the work that I do every day, is
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Speaker 2: to dissociate and separate myself from the thoughts. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you know all about The Untethered Soul. I've just re
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Speaker 2: read it. I absolutely love that book. And so for me,
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Speaker 2: my work all the time is, oh, this is interesting.
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Speaker 2: Why am I attaching to that thought? Is that my
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Speaker 2: state of mind? I repair it myself, I say, you know, okay,
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Speaker 2: let's let's let's have a look before I attached to
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Speaker 2: that thought, whether it be anxiety, whether it be anger,
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Speaker 2: whether it be stress, whether it be fear. Why am
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Speaker 2: I try and see the gap? Sit back? Why am
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Speaker 2: I attaching to that? Why is that thought there? Quickly?
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Speaker 2: Repair it myself? Am I underslept? Have I drunk enough water?
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Speaker 2: Am I having the right foods? What am I anxious about?
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Speaker 2: And then you can obviously go deeper It's like, is
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Speaker 2: this old thinking? Am I buying into old thinking again? George,
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Speaker 2: come on this pattern? Or do I want to be
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Speaker 2: curious and go into new thinking?
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Speaker 1: Yes?
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Speaker 2: And then for me, the more I practiced that, the
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Speaker 2: more I'm able to quickly go old thinking, don't need
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Speaker 2: to do that, don't need to attach. That's either trauma
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Speaker 2: from past childhood experiences, past relationships. And then I'm able
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Speaker 2: to really quickly pivot now and go, I'm not going
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Speaker 2: to buy into today anxiety, not going to attach. So
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Speaker 2: this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to exercise,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to meditate, and if it's still there, I'm
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Speaker 2: going to then work out what's Is there a deeper cause?
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Speaker 2: Is there's something in my body that's then in terms
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Speaker 2: of my neurophysiology, is there something manifesting in my body
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Speaker 2: that I need to look at like? That's probably my
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Speaker 2: My biggest key is always my body. What's my body
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Speaker 2: trying to tell me?
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Speaker 1: One hundred and you think about the inevitability of your mind, thoughts, feelings, emotions,
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Speaker 1: and body physiology being intertwined all the time. So when
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Speaker 1: everything's okay in inverted commas on a practical you know,
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Speaker 1: external level, everything's fine, there are no impending problems, but
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Speaker 1: you believe there is. That's cognitive Gogger's and then gogas.
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Speaker 1: So you've got mine. Then the emotions buy in. Now
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Speaker 1: you've got fear and anxiety ramping up. And now that
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Speaker 1: your body buys in. And I apologize to my listeners
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Speaker 1: who have heard of version of this a thousand times,
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Speaker 1: but all of a sudden, now your body has believed
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Speaker 1: your thought, and now your body is also in the process.
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Speaker 1: You know, because anxiety is overwhelmed at times. And you
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Speaker 1: know what you were talking about there, which is really metacognition,
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Speaker 1: is thinking about how you think, like why the fuck?
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Speaker 2: What?
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Speaker 1: Where? Where is this thought coming from? And I think
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Speaker 1: I actually think in schools and beyond, we need to
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Speaker 1: teach people metacognition in that we need to teach people
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Speaker 1: how to think critically and independently rather than tell them
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Speaker 1: what to think. We're very much a this is what
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Speaker 1: you should think culture versus this is how you can
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Speaker 1: create a mental and emotional kind of process that works
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Speaker 1: for you because you know, well one that should be
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Speaker 1: how it is because we're all individual creatures. But stepping
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Speaker 1: out of the the global programming of being told what
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Speaker 1: to think and why, But now where we start having
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Speaker 1: an in the moment awareness of oh, I'm feeling this,
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Speaker 1: where is this coming from? And what is driving it?
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Speaker 2: And I think we're not only told what to think,
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Speaker 2: we're not told to question why are you thinking that? Like?
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Speaker 2: Where is this coming from? And you know, we do
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Speaker 2: a lot of that in my marriage now, our marriage
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Speaker 2: and meditation has changed our lives. We both meditate religiously
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Speaker 2: every morning and I try and meditate at night as well.
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Speaker 2: We just have that beautiful gap of that question of Wow,
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Speaker 2: why am I so attached to this, where's this coming from?
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Speaker 2: Why is this? Why is this causing a reaction in me?
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Speaker 2: Rather than well, that's just me, that's just the way
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Speaker 2: I am, that's just that's just who I am. That's
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Speaker 2: about bringing That's how I think it's like. And I
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Speaker 2: think that then changes the whole context Craig of responding
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Speaker 2: rather than reacting. So much of our world is reaction
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Speaker 2: and just bang, whatever comes in, that emotion, that just
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Speaker 2: comes in. And Brene Brown has helped me enormously also
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Speaker 2: in distilling what those emotions are because a lot of
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Speaker 2: people refer to mainly emotions. I'm happy, I'm sad, I'm angry,
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Speaker 2: or I'm frightened, and her research shows that I need
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Speaker 2: to triple check because I'm not great. But there's eighty
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Speaker 2: three emotions. So when you're just narrowing down to those
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Speaker 2: four or five, missing out on this incredible opportunity and
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Speaker 2: vocabulary to help each other understand where you're coming from.
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Speaker 2: So that's also been a game changer for me. Don't
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Speaker 2: attach to the thought, why is the thought there? Do
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Speaker 2: the work and work out where that thought's coming from.
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Speaker 2: But our communication as a married couple has completely changed it.
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Speaker 2: We'll go into a weekend sometime and say, let's talk
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Speaker 2: about our expectations of what this weekend holds for both
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Speaker 2: of us. Okay, I'd love a bike ride, I'd like
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Speaker 2: at some point just to read a book on the
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Speaker 2: couch for an hour. So you're talking about it, what
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Speaker 2: your values and what you want out of that weekend,
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Speaker 2: rather than both just flying into the weekend crazy, busy,
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Speaker 2: don't get what you want to do done, then get
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Speaker 2: shitty and resentful, and sometime I'm sitting on the couch going, well,
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Speaker 2: that was shit because I didn't get to do this.
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Speaker 2: I didn't get to do that. We didn't articulate it,
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Speaker 2: you didn't express it. So that's changed also with our daughter,
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Speaker 2: even though she's on the eleven. We talk about expectations.
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Speaker 2: The first day back of term, we talk about expectations
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Speaker 2: are coming out of the pandemic? Do you think you're
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Speaker 2: all going to feel a bit whatever, expectations going back
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Speaker 2: in the classroom after being on homeschooling for a while.
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Speaker 2: So then when she has the ship moment during the
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Speaker 2: day when they're all fighting, she goes, ah, that's what
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Speaker 2: Mum and I talked about. There it is. I'm not
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Speaker 2: rocked by it because I go there, it is, It's
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Speaker 2: right there. And then the implications for that in the
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Speaker 2: workplace are phenomenal because you have a greater understanding and
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Speaker 2: better communication with each other. And rather than just saying
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Speaker 2: I'm really mad or pissed off with you, I think
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Speaker 2: you can change your language and say, look, I'm probably
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Speaker 2: feeling disappointed. That's a very different emotion.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so clever and so good. And for somebody
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Speaker 1: who ah, that's right, you've got bloody multiple degrees in science,
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, how is this TV presents a so bloody smart? No, no, no, well,
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Speaker 1: but not I didn't mean that. I meant that, how
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Speaker 1: do you sound so academic? And then I realized you
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Speaker 1: are an academic and you were a teacher.
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Speaker 2: I do you love science? And I love you know,
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Speaker 2: I love how curious you are about the world. And
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Speaker 2: when I listen to your work, I can hear that
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Speaker 2: combination of your curious mind and in the logical mind
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Speaker 2: and the science part. And I suppose that's where you know.
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Speaker 2: My husband laughs at me all the time because I've
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Speaker 2: always got some sort of book on the bedside table
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Speaker 2: that's challenging me or testing me or pushing me or
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Speaker 2: helping me grow. And one day you just laughed. He said, God,
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Speaker 2: you just bloody love it, don't you. You just don't
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Speaker 2: let up, Like why don't you just read some sort
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Speaker 2: of crap romance novel. And I said, because my mind
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Speaker 2: is a growth I've got a growth mindset. And I said,
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Speaker 2: if you've got well in interesting science, there's always a
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Speaker 2: beautiful growth mindset of Oh my god, that it shiftshit thinking.
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Speaker 2: I love having the moving sands under me the whole
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Speaker 2: time to shift my thinking to a higher place.
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Speaker 1: And also when you realize that and this is not
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Speaker 1: about ego or vanity or but when you realize that, wow,
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Speaker 1: I'm not optimizing me. I'm not optimizing my genetic potential,
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Speaker 1: my cognitive potential, my resources, my time, my energy. And
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Speaker 1: would I like to be a bit better at this
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Speaker 1: or that?
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Speaker 2: Well?
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Speaker 1: Yeah I would, Okay, So what's required? Would I like
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Speaker 1: to be leaner or stronger or less back pain? Would
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Speaker 1: I like a PhD? Would I like to write a book?
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Speaker 1: Would I like to make more dough? Would I like
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Speaker 1: to help people? Would I like to be the calm
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Speaker 1: and the chaos greater equanimity? Would I like to be
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Speaker 1: the person that people want to be around? Not for
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Speaker 1: my self esteem, but because I have fucking great energy? Good?
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Speaker 1: What does that look like? How do I do that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: And I mean I'm I'm as curious now, probably more
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Speaker 1: than when I was a kid, and as excited you
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Speaker 1: can probably tell now as then. And it's just for
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Speaker 1: me that I think, Also because I talk to a
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Speaker 1: lot of people Georgie who don't think as much of
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Speaker 1: themselves as I see in them, Like if you could
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Speaker 1: see and I'm not being positive, I'm not being a cheersquad.
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Speaker 1: I literally see in people such amazing fucking potential, and
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Speaker 1: they just think I'm being supportive and encouraging. I'm going,
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Speaker 1: if you know me, you know, I wouldn't lie, I
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Speaker 1: wouldn't say I think you shit, but I'd find some
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Speaker 1: way to encourage you about something. But I genuinely think
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Speaker 1: you have got so much potential and so much scope
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Speaker 1: and so much room for growth and fun and happiness
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Speaker 1: and joy. Because I think we tend to or yeah,
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Speaker 1: we often live in like a groundhog danus of everything,
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Speaker 1: of relationships, of communication, of eating, of you know, work,
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Speaker 1: and then we wake up, oh fuck, I'm fifty Oh,
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Speaker 1: and we're not where we want to be. And it's
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Speaker 1: not because we've consciously been working to be somewhere else.
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Speaker 1: We've just been almost swept. We've almost been a passenger
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Speaker 1: in our own life, you know. So this is where
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Speaker 1: we start to think above the I guess the momentum
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Speaker 1: of our current existence and operating system and get that
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Speaker 1: higher kind of level view of, well, how's my life going?
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Speaker 1: Is it fucking awesome? How am I going in the
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Speaker 1: middle of that? How's my diet going, how's my body going?
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Speaker 1: How my relationships going? And we do get a bit strategic,
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Speaker 1: but also You're not going to accidentally end up awesome, right,
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Speaker 1: You're not going to accidentally end up calm and joyful,
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Speaker 1: and like, there's work to do.
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Speaker 2: So much work to do, and it's hard, Like it's
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Speaker 2: really hard. I'm yet to meet someone who is enlightened
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Speaker 2: who hasn't done the work. And obviously, if we could
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Speaker 2: get there without the pain and the trauma, sure there
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Speaker 2: are few, there are very rare individuals that can get there.
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Speaker 2: But usually that's what is it's the uncomfortableness, and it's
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Speaker 2: sitting in that pain, and it's sitting in that moment
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Speaker 2: where you go, my life is shit, Like I don't
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Speaker 2: love this person I'm married to, or I have a
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Speaker 2: really bad relationship with most people my like, what's wrong
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Speaker 2: with me? You know what? When you were talking then
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Speaker 2: I think what really resonates with me? I'm so passionate
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Speaker 2: about making and helping people get a greater sense of self.
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Speaker 2: Nothing gives me more joy than not telling someone what
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Speaker 2: to do, not telling them how great they are, but
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Speaker 2: either modeling or showing them to empower themselves to be
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Speaker 2: the best version of who they are for them, not
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Speaker 2: for anyone else, but for them. And I love Mary
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Speaker 2: and Williamson's quote that our greatest fear is not our failures.
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Speaker 2: Our greatest fear is how magnificent we can be. I'm
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Speaker 2: paraphrasing here, but that one day when I was in
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Speaker 2: my life a really tough time, that just hit me
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Speaker 2: in the heart. Because we are constantly turning our volume
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Speaker 2: down and adjusting who we are often keep everybody else happy.
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Speaker 2: And the greatest gift I've given myself is realizing that
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Speaker 2: external validation and everything out here never ever going to
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Speaker 2: give me joy. Deepak Chapra's most powerful quote for me
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Speaker 2: is everything I desire within me. And so as soon
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Speaker 2: as I do the work and I go in, even
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Speaker 2: now when I have moments of insecurity, when you're in
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Speaker 2: the media and you're constantly you know you never won't
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Speaker 2: get a worse industry where comparison is the death of joy.
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Speaker 2: As soon as you start to step outside yourself and
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Speaker 2: you're getting out into someone else's and you're staying to
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Speaker 2: compare and whatever, it's like, whoaa, well stop, gone back in,
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Speaker 2: do the work. Back in, Do the work like it's
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Speaker 2: not about what's out here, about what's in here. And
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Speaker 2: as soon as you can tap into that beautiful well
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Speaker 2: of power and sense of self, which of course not
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Speaker 2: everyone can have because not everyone was nurtured when they
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Speaker 2: were young. But it is there in everyone. It's just
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Speaker 2: trying to help them to get there, to tap into it.
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Speaker 2: That for me, is when you get not only the peace,
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Speaker 2: but the creativity, the joy, the tranquility, the power really
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Speaker 2: of who be well.
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Speaker 1: That need that drive for external validation and approval and
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Speaker 1: please like me, please want me, please love I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's social heroine. You know, it's destructive. It just fucks
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Speaker 1: you up. And if somebody does like you or approve
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Speaker 1: of you, that's nice. Or if somebody thinks, if somebody
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Speaker 1: loves this podcast and thinks Georgie's Ace, which of course
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Speaker 1: she's Ace, but that's great, But you don't need that.
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Speaker 1: It's nice, but you don't need it. And the moment
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Speaker 1: that we need external validation, I need you to tell
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Speaker 1: me I'm amazing. Look at my It's analogous to the
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Speaker 1: six year old bringing you the drawing. That's what it is.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's like love me, like me, want me,
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Speaker 1: need me, tell me, I'm amazing. Now I've just created
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Speaker 1: a new addiction. Yes, and I'm further away from self sufficiency,
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Speaker 1: you know. And it's great, I mean connection and love
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Speaker 1: and kindness and all of those things are awesome. But
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Speaker 1: in the middle of that, we still need to be
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Speaker 1: able to an extent be self sufficient and able to
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Speaker 1: self regulate, you know. And that and back just before
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Speaker 1: that you were talking about it's hard. You know. The
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Speaker 1: stuff that we need to do is often not the
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Speaker 1: stuff that we want to do right to grow and
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Speaker 1: learn and evolve. The shit that I need to do
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Speaker 1: isn't comfortable, convenient, quick, sexy, or painless. But that stuff
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Speaker 1: that you have done, the work that you've done on
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Speaker 1: you and continue to do, that's where skill happens. That's
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Speaker 1: where development and awareness and growth and resilience happen. In
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Speaker 1: the middle of the shit.
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Speaker 2: That's the best growth ever. Yes, shit, it's hard. It's
19:05
Speaker 2: really uncomfortable, and there's so much there's so many pressures
19:12
Speaker 2: and opportunity to not do it because it's so.
19:14
Speaker 4: Much easier for me just to get on Instagram and
19:16
Speaker 4: put up a post that oh that's amazing and I'll
19:18
Speaker 4: get all the lights. Well, that's so much easier for
19:21
Speaker 4: me to do. When people say to me, gosh, you know,
19:24
Speaker 4: you make good choices in your career, Georgie, your career
19:26
Speaker 4: is great.
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Speaker 2: Whenever it's like yeah, But you don't see the months
19:28
Speaker 2: that I sit at home and do all the work
19:30
Speaker 2: where I question what I'm doing and I question why
19:34
Speaker 2: I'm doing it, and I have the days when I
19:36
Speaker 2: don't feel like me, but I push through them and
19:38
Speaker 2: learn from them. Like no one puts that stuff. I
19:41
Speaker 2: try and put a really honest accounts on my social
19:44
Speaker 2: media so people know at least that it's not all
19:47
Speaker 2: because it's not everyone that's living like that. They all
19:49
Speaker 2: have their ship days, they all have their tough days.
19:52
Speaker 2: And I think one thing that I'm really passionate about
19:55
Speaker 2: being a former teacher.
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Speaker 1: Is I'm following you right now. Hey, everyone Georgie g
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Speaker 1: o rg I g o r G I Coglin all
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Speaker 1: one word and give Georgie you follow Well.
20:07
Speaker 2: Look, my life is pretty much if you want to
20:09
Speaker 2: follow me on mister, you'll see a lot of the farm,
20:11
Speaker 2: Like you'll just see my life on the farm with animals, nature,
20:14
Speaker 2: because that's that's my life. That's what makes me happy,
20:17
Speaker 2: the most happiest. But I think with kids, you know
20:21
Speaker 2: that external validation with social media. Now, as a former
20:24
Speaker 2: secondary teacher. That's what I'm really passionate about. I really
20:28
Speaker 2: I can't wait till the laws change and we can't
20:30
Speaker 2: have as many kids on social media at the age
20:33
Speaker 2: that they're on because when you're trying to work out
20:36
Speaker 2: who you are with a brain that's not developed and
20:39
Speaker 2: you're relying on external validation, that's dangerous. That's so dangerous,
20:44
Speaker 2: and it's tough as an adult. I find it tough
20:46
Speaker 2: as a forty seven year old. So God help the
20:48
Speaker 2: kids that are thirteen trying to navigate this minefield. And
20:53
Speaker 2: one thing that's really helped me is are mantrews. Mantras
20:56
Speaker 2: are so helpful for me, so I do both guided
20:59
Speaker 2: meditation and just music. But one that was really quite
21:02
Speaker 2: empowering a couple of years ago was I don't need
21:06
Speaker 2: their approval. And I think if we put ourselves in
21:10
Speaker 2: that mantra into our head, even into social setting, if
21:12
Speaker 2: you go into a social setting where you're anxious, even
21:15
Speaker 2: just saying that your self in the car and as
21:16
Speaker 2: you walk in, I'm walking into this party. I'm here
21:19
Speaker 2: because I want to be here, and I do not
21:21
Speaker 2: need anyone's approval. You don't you don't need their approval.
21:24
Speaker 1: One percent. We just have a story that we do yeah.
21:27
Speaker 2: Or a validation. So mantras are really helpful for me,
21:30
Speaker 2: and even I surrendered the need to prove myself to anyone,
21:35
Speaker 2: including myself, because I am a recovering perfectionist and I
21:39
Speaker 2: have a growth mindset. I'm first born, I'm alpha. I've
21:43
Speaker 2: always been a person that's achieved a lot in my
21:46
Speaker 2: life instead of the first half of my career was
21:48
Speaker 2: quite insanely busy and ambitious, and sure people would perceive
21:53
Speaker 2: that as successful, but that always comes at a cost,
21:58
Speaker 2: and for me mentally, I think it was you know what,
22:01
Speaker 2: that just stuff doesn't make me happy anymore, and so
22:04
Speaker 2: those matches are really important to me to remind myself
22:07
Speaker 2: that I don't need approval from anyone else, including myself.
22:11
Speaker 2: I'm present, I'm a spiritual being living in a human body,
22:15
Speaker 2: and I am only in control of this moment. Now.
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Speaker 1: Yere completely true and completely relevant for you know, all
22:24
Speaker 1: of us, isn't it? Isn't it funny that like when
22:29
Speaker 1: you you know, in that moment where we're seeking approval
22:31
Speaker 1: and validation and all of that, if you can, which
22:35
Speaker 1: is emotion driven, fear driven, usually it's cognitive, but it's
22:39
Speaker 1: driven by fear. What if they don't like me, What
22:41
Speaker 1: if I don't fit in? What if I look like
22:43
Speaker 1: a dickhead? What if I say something dumb? What if
22:45
Speaker 1: I you know everything? All that bullshit, right, But what's
22:50
Speaker 1: funny is when you go, okay, I can chill for
22:53
Speaker 1: a second. Just what's going on? Okay, So what's going
22:56
Speaker 1: on is you are and think about online it's more ridiculous. Yes,
23:01
Speaker 1: you are trying to get the approval of people who
23:05
Speaker 1: don't fucking know you, don't love you, don't care about you,
23:11
Speaker 1: and you're desperate to get there. What am I doing?
23:15
Speaker 1: What is that? You know? And that's a good like pause.
23:20
Speaker 2: It's a massive pause, and an important one because they're
23:22
Speaker 2: not real, particularly online. They are not real connections. No,
23:28
Speaker 2: they are not. Half the time they're bots. You're adjusting
23:34
Speaker 2: your life and who you are for a bot and
23:36
Speaker 2: even a human being. Sure, if I'm going to be
23:39
Speaker 2: in the public eye, if I was going to adjust
23:41
Speaker 2: my life when I was on the project from people
23:43
Speaker 2: weren't happy with what I was wearing, what I was saying,
23:47
Speaker 2: you know, how I interacted with other guests, whatever, If
23:50
Speaker 2: I was constantly going to adjust myself. Oh shit, I
23:53
Speaker 2: better okay, a better change for Nancy over here, and
23:55
Speaker 2: then I'll change for Joy over here. Oh and then
23:57
Speaker 2: Ron's not happy here.
23:58
Speaker 1: I mean, who the fuck am I? Nah? Did you?
24:02
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that, because that's funny, you know.
24:04
Speaker 2: I remember, like one lady one night was just all, hi, Georgy,
24:08
Speaker 2: don't mean to You know when people start with I
24:10
Speaker 2: don't mean to offend or don't.
24:14
Speaker 1: It's like, never start something with don't take this the
24:17
Speaker 1: wrong way, but.
24:18
Speaker 2: And you go, well, just don't. I think someone said
24:20
Speaker 2: to me once at a party, hate I don't, don't
24:22
Speaker 2: don't try and take this the wrong way and I
24:23
Speaker 2: don't mean to offend. And I said, oh, we just
24:24
Speaker 2: don't say it there, and they just said, oh no,
24:26
Speaker 2: I just wanted to. I said, no, no, no, just don't
24:28
Speaker 2: say it, like you you clearly know you're going to
24:30
Speaker 2: offend me, so don't say it. And they almost like,
24:32
Speaker 2: couldnt not say it. They're like, oh, but it's yeah.
24:36
Speaker 2: It's just fascinating that I see that even in social media,
24:40
Speaker 2: and I'm so aware of it, having an eleven year old,
24:43
Speaker 2: I'm like, sweetheart, you are the boss of you. You're
24:46
Speaker 2: the boss of your sense of self. Yeah, don't adjust yourself.
24:51
Speaker 2: And I sort of one day it broke my heart.
24:53
Speaker 2: She was she used to always wear her pigd haut
24:55
Speaker 2: like little two little pig taels here and she went
24:57
Speaker 2: to the start of grade six and I went to
25:00
Speaker 2: do the little plats, sorry, two little plats? She said, no, no, no, no,
25:04
Speaker 2: just do one at the back. And I said, why
25:06
Speaker 2: don't you want to do the two plats anymore? And
25:09
Speaker 2: I got it out of her that, you know, one
25:10
Speaker 2: of the girls at school had said, you look like
25:12
Speaker 2: a baby when you do that, and I was just like,
25:14
Speaker 2: you know, mama line, and I said, right, so is
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Speaker 2: this same girl going to be happy with the plat
25:21
Speaker 2: at the back? And what she's not happy with the
25:24
Speaker 2: plat at the back? What do we do? Then we
25:27
Speaker 2: then cut our hair? And then what if she's not
25:28
Speaker 2: happy with that? Like, what do we do? Then we
25:31
Speaker 2: keep changing who we are to keep someone so happy?
25:34
Speaker 2: Or do you dance to the beat of your own
25:35
Speaker 2: drum and know that that's what you want and it
25:38
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what they And obviously in that age it's
25:41
Speaker 2: really difficult because they're trying to work out who they
25:43
Speaker 2: are and get their try. But that message, particularly for girls,
25:47
Speaker 2: I think, needs to be dance to the beat of
25:49
Speaker 2: your own drum. You don't need their approval.
25:53
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you a hard question. Right, we
25:56
Speaker 1: all know like everyone's listening to us, most people listening
25:59
Speaker 1: to us now except that one person. Most people are
26:02
Speaker 1: listening to us now, going makes sense. I'm with you,
26:06
Speaker 1: you know, I get that I don't need approval or
26:09
Speaker 1: I don't need to get my identity from others, or
26:12
Speaker 1: I don't need to fit into every group. But nonetheless,
26:17
Speaker 1: there's that drive there. There's that insecurity because most of
26:20
Speaker 1: us don't feel good enough, pretty enough, smart enough, anything enough.
26:25
Speaker 1: So therefore we do want all that. How do we
26:28
Speaker 1: mitigate that? Because it's one thing to say don't seek approval,
26:31
Speaker 1: but that's like saying to in a way. One of
26:36
Speaker 1: my favorites is telling a worried person don't worry. I'm like, Wow,
26:40
Speaker 1: that's fucking groundbreaking. You know.
26:42
Speaker 2: It's like an anxiety and someone goes just relax.
26:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, chill out. Like telling a worried person not
26:48
Speaker 1: to worry is literally ridiculous. It's not a strategy, it's
26:53
Speaker 1: not helpful, and if anything, they'll feel worse because if
26:56
Speaker 1: I could just fucking turn it off, it'd be turned off.
26:59
Speaker 1: How do we get people to that place? Because that
27:02
Speaker 1: there's the difference between intellectually understanding what we're talking about. Like,
27:07
Speaker 1: I'm old as fuck and I teach this stuff and
27:09
Speaker 1: I've written books and I'm not a dummy. I'm not
27:12
Speaker 1: a genist, but I'm not a dummy. Am I ever insecure? Yes?
27:16
Speaker 1: Do I ever look for approval? Fuck an oath? Am
27:19
Speaker 1: I aware it? Yes? Did my ego ever get in
27:21
Speaker 1: the way?
27:22
Speaker 3: Oh?
27:22
Speaker 1: Only when I'm awake?
27:23
Speaker 2: Right?
27:24
Speaker 1: So there's all that shit that we know. But then,
27:28
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts around how do we self regulate
27:31
Speaker 1: so that like none of us are Oh, I don't
27:34
Speaker 1: think any of us are ever going to be completely
27:37
Speaker 1: devoid of self doubt or the moment occasional moment of
27:41
Speaker 1: self lout loathing or overthinking, or insecurity or anxiety. I
27:45
Speaker 1: don't think anyone's immune to that, you know, forever and
27:49
Speaker 1: all day, every day. But how do we turn down
27:52
Speaker 1: the volume and how do we move closer to where
27:55
Speaker 1: we want to be?
27:57
Speaker 2: Well? I can only talk from my truth, Mike's experience,
28:01
Speaker 2: and like everyone else, I have my days that of
28:03
Speaker 2: course you doubt yourself, and that's where your daily practice
28:07
Speaker 2: becomes more important than ever. So my response to that
28:11
Speaker 2: would be, you can't just say, as someone, well, don't
28:14
Speaker 2: get their approval. It doesn't matter, of course, it doesn't
28:16
Speaker 2: matter exactly what you're saying. Two things that just come
28:20
Speaker 2: from my truth would be run the experiment, So try
28:27
Speaker 2: and get the approval and see how that feels. And
28:32
Speaker 2: when you continue to put yourself in that situation where
28:35
Speaker 2: you're seeking the approval, what do you get at the end.
28:40
Speaker 2: Do you get wholeheartedness, fulfillment and living by your values
28:47
Speaker 2: or do you feel empty? And my experience is, because
28:52
Speaker 2: that's human nature, prob I'm going to definitely I should
28:55
Speaker 2: say be doing this again while where I'll try and
28:57
Speaker 2: get approval, I'll feel empty at the end of it.
29:02
Speaker 2: And the reason I'll feel empty is because I'll realize
29:05
Speaker 2: that my life or that choice or that moment is
29:07
Speaker 2: not in alignment with my value system. So for me,
29:13
Speaker 2: helping myself to distill my values has been really important
29:18
Speaker 2: to me. And even at forty seven, you know, I've
29:20
Speaker 2: got some friendships that I'm just gently releasing and letting go,
29:23
Speaker 2: which is a really painful experience and a whole other
29:26
Speaker 2: podcast that we could talk about. And that's because I
29:31
Speaker 2: personally feel that when you do the work, you don't
29:34
Speaker 2: get better than anyone, because we're no one's better than
29:37
Speaker 2: anyone else. But when you do the work, you become
29:40
Speaker 2: more connected to yourself, your values. For me, boundaries are
29:45
Speaker 2: really important in friendship, and suddenly when you do the work,
29:49
Speaker 2: there are certain boundaries that pop up and become even
29:52
Speaker 2: more highlighted, and you go, WHOA, that's not aligning with
29:55
Speaker 2: me anymore. If you've done so much work on yourself,
29:58
Speaker 2: So you sometimes have to gently release those friendships. Now
30:00
Speaker 2: that's confronting because there's part of you that's been friends
30:03
Speaker 2: with those people for twenty years that still sort of
30:06
Speaker 2: maybe wants their approval. You still want them to say,
30:09
Speaker 2: I love George. She's so great, she's so non judgmental,
30:12
Speaker 2: she just takes me as I am. But when I
30:15
Speaker 2: did the work and I sat back in it, and
30:17
Speaker 2: I then kept pushing myself into that approval process, and
30:20
Speaker 2: I'd keep going and i'd visit them and i'd catch up,
30:23
Speaker 2: I'd walk away feeling like I betrayed myself.
30:27
Speaker 1: And so.
30:29
Speaker 2: That betrayal feeling is not very nice. So I would
30:32
Speaker 2: just suggest for me what's worked as run the experiment
30:36
Speaker 2: and then when it's not aligning, that becomes so powerful.
30:41
Speaker 2: And I think that can be in marriages, it can
30:43
Speaker 2: be in friendships, it can be with family that becomes
30:46
Speaker 2: so powerful and uncomfortable that then the decision is easier
30:51
Speaker 2: to then sit back and go, you know what, this
30:54
Speaker 2: is not working for me, and that's okay.
30:58
Speaker 1: I love it so practical. How is a forty seven
31:03
Speaker 1: year old Georgie different from twenty seven year old Georgie.
31:07
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Well, that woman doesn't exist anymore, both physiologically,
31:13
Speaker 2: as you know, which I love. I love thinking that
31:16
Speaker 2: my body this week has completely new cells.
31:19
Speaker 1: Your brand new, You're updated, You're updated or downdated that
31:24
Speaker 1: we look at it.
31:25
Speaker 2: I've completely updated, like in so many ways, mentally, spiritually, physically,
31:32
Speaker 2: through hard work, and through a lot of pain. And
31:35
Speaker 2: so that woman doesn't exist anymore. But gosh, I have
31:38
Speaker 2: compassion for her. I hold her in my heart and
31:42
Speaker 2: I tell her you were doing the best you could
31:45
Speaker 2: at that time with the tools that you had and
31:48
Speaker 2: with your awareness at the time, and I give her
31:53
Speaker 2: a lot of love and support, and I don't judge her,
31:57
Speaker 2: and I often I often reflect on her a lot. Gosh,
32:03
Speaker 2: I just feel like it was a totally different human being.
32:08
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of love and compassion and wisdom
32:13
Speaker 2: and a lot of work, like sitting in a lot
32:15
Speaker 2: of pain. And that was for me the game changer.
32:19
Speaker 2: Like when I was sort of thirty and came out
32:21
Speaker 2: of a really toxic, bad relationship, didn't even know who
32:25
Speaker 2: I was, to be honest, and I discovered Louise Hay
32:28
Speaker 2: and my life changed forever when she gave me the power.
32:32
Speaker 2: I had this lighthol moment pray when I realized that
32:37
Speaker 2: I can't control anyone but myself and that I had
32:41
Speaker 2: the power to heal myself. That was mind blowing for me,
32:45
Speaker 2: mind blowing. And then I was so lucky to be
32:49
Speaker 2: surrounded by incredible healers practitioners and they just I did
32:53
Speaker 2: the work and it changed my life, changed my life,
32:58
Speaker 2: and I manifested what I wanted. I was able to
33:01
Speaker 2: write down what I had been attracted to and a
33:03
Speaker 2: partner and why, and then I was able to manifest
33:06
Speaker 2: what I wanted in a partner and why, and happy
33:09
Speaker 2: to say today is my thirteen year wedding anniversary with
33:12
Speaker 2: my darling, soul mate, best friend, growth companion, Simon and.
33:17
Speaker 1: The anniversary dude, yeah, thank you.
33:20
Speaker 2: And I just you know, we have such a wholehearted
33:22
Speaker 2: relationship where we're constantly growing, pushing, growing, pushing. It's uncomfortable.
33:27
Speaker 2: I love you, but I don't like you, and now
33:29
Speaker 2: I love you again. But that's that's for me and
33:32
Speaker 2: for us. That's the true definition of love is when
33:34
Speaker 2: you're pushing yourselves to grow and evolve together as a couple.
33:40
Speaker 1: And I think like an inevitability of life and all
33:44
Speaker 1: the bits of life, including marriage, is that like life
33:50
Speaker 1: is messy and unpredictable and uncertain and uncomfortable and hard
33:55
Speaker 1: and beautiful and joyous and fucking amazing and incredible and terrifying,
34:00
Speaker 1: and then it's lunchtime, right, Yeah, that's that's that's life.
34:05
Speaker 1: And in the middle of it is us. Fuck, it's
34:07
Speaker 1: trying to navigate it, going oh how do I shit?
34:11
Speaker 1: How do I? I've told this a few times, but
34:13
Speaker 1: I spent the first three or four months of my
34:16
Speaker 1: PhD Georgie sitting in a cubicle at Monash Neuroscience Lab,
34:20
Speaker 1: which is called Brain Park completely feeling like the dumbest
34:26
Speaker 1: person ever to undertake a PhD and like I just
34:30
Speaker 1: definitely shouldn't be there, and it was only a matter
34:32
Speaker 1: of time before someone tapped me on the shoulder. And
34:34
Speaker 1: when harps, You've had a good run, you know, all
34:37
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you gave it a go. You're just
34:39
Speaker 1: a next bodybuilder who rides motorbikes. Don't be silly, go home,
34:43
Speaker 1: you know that. That's like wildly I mean depending. I
34:48
Speaker 1: think also insecurity can be situation dependent, you know, like
34:54
Speaker 1: in some places pretty confident, pretty calm, in other places
34:59
Speaker 1: fuck terrified. You know, like I literally present all the
35:04
Speaker 1: time to audiences. That's my job, right and this so
35:08
Speaker 1: I'm you know, talking is my job. But every year
35:14
Speaker 1: or so, when you're doing it, doing a PhD, you
35:16
Speaker 1: have to do like a review of sorts where you
35:20
Speaker 1: stand in front of an academic board and you have
35:22
Speaker 1: to tell them about your research. Where you're at. You know,
35:25
Speaker 1: you probably get it, you know what it and but
35:27
Speaker 1: you're in front of a bunch of well some familiar people,
35:31
Speaker 1: but they don't make the decision whether or not you
35:33
Speaker 1: get the green light to continue. And it's like going
35:36
Speaker 1: to court now I talk for a living. Those twenty
35:41
Speaker 1: minutes that I have to present my research and data
35:43
Speaker 1: and findings and justify why I shouldn't be kicked out
35:47
Speaker 1: and why it should. I am so fucking terrified, George.
35:51
Speaker 1: I'm dripping like a motherfucker from the arm, like I'm
35:54
Speaker 1: swimming in my own sweat to talk for twenty minutes. Now,
35:58
Speaker 1: this is the guy who talk for a day to
36:01
Speaker 1: corporates with one page of notes and has fun and
36:05
Speaker 1: has no nerves, just excitement. But twenty minutes talking to
36:10
Speaker 1: these boffins, it's fucking terrifying.
36:13
Speaker 2: I get it, I get it, and it's but what
36:18
Speaker 2: gets you through, I imagine, Craig, is your ability to connect.
36:22
Speaker 2: You know, at the end of the day, they're humans.
36:24
Speaker 2: I don't know not to mention your intellect and your talent,
36:28
Speaker 2: your hard work and everything else, but when it comes
36:30
Speaker 2: down to it, it's we are humans. It's like when
36:34
Speaker 2: I've interviewed prime ministers and I've interviewed the biggest superstars
36:36
Speaker 2: in the world, and you get that moment of going,
36:38
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm just sitting there next to Walid
36:40
Speaker 2: on the project is going this manic's so smart. What
36:43
Speaker 2: am I doing here, And all I have to do
36:47
Speaker 2: is rely on a combination of trusting that because I've
36:50
Speaker 2: done the work, and I've put in the hours, and
36:52
Speaker 2: I've connected on an emotional level, all those things that matter,
36:56
Speaker 2: all those at all one percents have led you to
36:59
Speaker 2: that point in your life. And you've also got to
37:01
Speaker 2: trust it.
37:02
Speaker 1: Who's the person that you sat next to her in
37:04
Speaker 1: front of to interview and you went, what the fuck
37:07
Speaker 1: am I doing here? How did this happen? Well? Look
37:12
Speaker 1: the intellectually, I mean, obviously this is the pinnacle of
37:15
Speaker 1: your media career. I mean, you've done a lot of
37:17
Speaker 1: good shit, but you're on the project. But other than this,
37:21
Speaker 1: other than today.
37:23
Speaker 2: Or probably the one where I where for the first time,
37:27
Speaker 2: I imagine you know when you've worked with a lot
37:29
Speaker 2: of athletes, Craig, you know when they talk about that
37:31
Speaker 2: race and the lead up to the race where everything
37:33
Speaker 2: goes perfectly, and every decision that that athlete has made
37:38
Speaker 2: with their diet, they're training, their sleep, their nutrition has
37:40
Speaker 2: made sense. For me. I had that that moment when
37:44
Speaker 2: Will Farrell walked on as Ron Burgundy project and we've
37:48
Speaker 2: blown up to Sydney and we were doing Anchorman two,
37:53
Speaker 2: and we were all just it was electric. We had
37:56
Speaker 2: a live audience, we knew that Will was in the
38:00
Speaker 2: changer and getting ready as Ron Burgundy. We had the
38:03
Speaker 2: rest of the cast on. It was Charlie Pickering and I.
38:06
Speaker 2: We had Ray Martin next to me as an anchorman
38:08
Speaker 2: off and I still remember looking over and here comes
38:13
Speaker 2: Will Ferrell walking out as Ron Burgundy, and he just
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Speaker 2: looked at me and says, GEORGI and taps me on
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Speaker 2: the shoulder and I didn't stop laughing for two hours.
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Speaker 1: Great.
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Speaker 2: I just remember having that moment of going every decision
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Speaker 2: I've made in my career makes sense right now, right now.
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Speaker 1: That's so good.
38:31
Speaker 2: And it was just magical. I was able to It's
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Speaker 2: like when I perform and you have that like an athlete,
38:37
Speaker 2: we have those nights where you sing and it's an
38:39
Speaker 2: out of body experience. You sort of can't remember the
38:41
Speaker 2: night much because something bigger than you is happening. When
38:45
Speaker 2: I've performed and I haven't even had to sort of
38:47
Speaker 2: think about notes, I haven't even It's like the runner
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Speaker 2: that just can't remember the race. They're the nights that
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Speaker 2: are just so magical and they don't happen all the
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Speaker 2: time they're actually quite rare, and when everything is in
38:58
Speaker 2: alignment and there's that beautiful flow.
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Speaker 1: Bloody hell, I could talk to you for a long time. Shit,
39:05
Speaker 1: why did you have to be so good?
39:08
Speaker 2: It's so joyous though, talking to people that understand and
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Speaker 2: you know, and so many different levels of it.
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Speaker 1: I want to be your friend, like I didn't even
39:17
Speaker 1: give a fuck about the podcast. I wish you lived here.
39:19
Speaker 1: I want to hang.
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Speaker 2: Out my friend, Craig. You can come to the farm anytime.
39:25
Speaker 1: Well that's the other thing that excuse my ignorance. But
39:28
Speaker 1: I mean I knew, I always knew who you were.
39:30
Speaker 1: I had an awareness of you, but I hadn't done
39:32
Speaker 1: a deep dive, so I knew. Oh, didn't know you
39:34
Speaker 1: were a farmer, didn't know your love for animals and nature.
39:37
Speaker 1: Didn't know that you were a fucking singer. So you're
39:41
Speaker 1: a classically trained singer, do you? And you know I
39:44
Speaker 1: read about all the stage shows you've done, of which
39:47
Speaker 1: there are many and lots of amazing gigs. Do you?
39:51
Speaker 1: It is music for you? A is it? Is it
39:56
Speaker 1: a love? Is it a passion? Is it? Is it
39:58
Speaker 1: a thing you do to make? I'm sure it's not like,
40:01
Speaker 1: where does that rank in all the shit that you
40:03
Speaker 1: do these days?
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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's been it started off, it is
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Speaker 2: my absolute passion. I think I push it to the
40:10
Speaker 2: side as the side hustle. It was really it wasn't
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Speaker 2: that I didn't It wasn't that I lost. Someone asked
40:16
Speaker 2: me that why haven't you been seeing why what about
40:18
Speaker 2: all this broadcasting? And I said, well, it was really
40:21
Speaker 2: that the broadcasting just all took off so well and
40:24
Speaker 2: had and they were just such incredible opportunities. So when
40:28
Speaker 2: I did the Circle and I did the Project and
40:29
Speaker 2: I did all these great shows, it was more that
40:32
Speaker 2: that was so fulfilling on a spiritual and a creative level,
40:36
Speaker 2: and a particularly an emotionally intelligence level, because I really
40:39
Speaker 2: connected with Walid and had a great relationship with my colleagues,
40:43
Speaker 2: that singing just sort of took a bit of a
40:45
Speaker 2: back seat, not deliberately, but like any passion and dream,
40:48
Speaker 2: that little flame just won't go out. So about eighteen
40:52
Speaker 2: months ago was when I made the decision to leave
40:54
Speaker 2: project because I realized after doing the Mass Singer that
40:57
Speaker 2: when I was on stage and that flow and that
41:00
Speaker 2: that I just couldn't ignore it anymore. I was like this,
41:02
Speaker 2: come on, George, if forty six gets your shit together
41:06
Speaker 2: and get back into singing, So I knew I had
41:07
Speaker 2: to jump off the cliff Quit project and immerse myself
41:11
Speaker 2: in performing to now get back to what I really
41:14
Speaker 2: want to do. It's just singing, performing as well as
41:18
Speaker 2: the sidebarris as well as helping people, particularly women being
41:22
Speaker 2: the best version of themselves with workshops at the farm
41:25
Speaker 2: and so I really want to combine those two creative loves.
41:27
Speaker 1: Now hang on workshops at the farm steady on tell
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Speaker 1: us about those Well, I just.
41:36
Speaker 2: Want to be able to give people that might have
41:38
Speaker 2: the opportunity and the resources to do what they want
41:41
Speaker 2: to do with their lives what I've been lucky enough
41:43
Speaker 2: to do with And so we're hummy and I in
41:46
Speaker 2: the pandemic. Running a hospitality business in the pandemic was
41:49
Speaker 2: pretty tough, I'm going to be honest, and we decided,
41:53
Speaker 2: you know what, we're going to go insane if we
41:54
Speaker 2: keep looking at a restaurant that's closed and watching all
41:58
Speaker 2: the money not coming in and just the stress of
42:00
Speaker 2: running it. So we built some stables as a nice
42:02
Speaker 2: physical I suppose outlet, and then we just got you know,
42:08
Speaker 2: we're big. I suppose I've got a big I'm a
42:10
Speaker 2: person that sits above things and tries to always look
42:12
Speaker 2: at vision and I always love helping people. So we're
42:16
Speaker 2: planning six workshops next year Brene Brown Workshops, and they'll
42:20
Speaker 2: be based on everything from vulnerability boundaries, dare to lead
42:24
Speaker 2: Atlas of the Heart. Also want to do a lot
42:26
Speaker 2: of work on the mother wound and the father wound,
42:30
Speaker 2: which I'm really passionate about and looking at vision boards
42:34
Speaker 2: and working with so with all bays with a professional psychologist.
42:37
Speaker 2: I'll host it, but we'll have a professional psychologist there
42:39
Speaker 2: and you come for the day on the farm and
42:41
Speaker 2: you have a full day of psychology with an amazing
42:44
Speaker 2: lunch in the middle. And I'm visualizing that I want
42:47
Speaker 2: the people to lead with this incredible mental and physical
42:50
Speaker 2: toolbox to go, oh my god, I've got the tools
42:53
Speaker 2: to start changing my life.
42:55
Speaker 1: Amazing. Good for you, such a good idea and such
42:58
Speaker 1: a good space to do it. You have, I'm sure
43:02
Speaker 1: you do. What does your spiritual philosophy look like like?
43:07
Speaker 1: Give us the sixty second snapshot. It's different things for
43:10
Speaker 1: different people. There's no universal definition. But what is it
43:14
Speaker 1: for you? No pressure, No pressure, No pressure, hardest question
43:19
Speaker 1: of the day as we're stumbling towards the finish line.
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Speaker 2: My spiritual philosophy would be to grow daily, to give back,
43:30
Speaker 2: to always stay aligned with my intention, and I hope
43:36
Speaker 2: is to model what it's like to be connected to
43:43
Speaker 2: your own spirit and provide an energy that inspires other people.
43:48
Speaker 2: Because I love the quote of people won't remember what
43:52
Speaker 2: you did and what you achieved, but they will always
43:54
Speaker 2: remember the way you made them feel.
43:58
Speaker 1: I love that too, So Georgie Coglan on Insta do
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Speaker 1: you what else do you want to share? Point people towards,
44:07
Speaker 1: direct them towards.
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Speaker 2: Just keep keep an eye out for these workshops. So
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Speaker 2: I'm going to be putting them up soon on my Instagram.
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Speaker 2: Really exciting at the farm, not till next year, so
44:17
Speaker 2: they'll be launching. We'll be launching them soon, but they're
44:19
Speaker 2: aimed at the start of twenty twenty three and they're
44:22
Speaker 2: just a beautiful introduction if you want to grow, evolve,
44:25
Speaker 2: nourish your spirit and yourself both physically and through good
44:30
Speaker 2: food on the farm. I think they're really going to
44:33
Speaker 2: resonate with a lot of people. So watch this space
44:36
Speaker 2: and yeah, we're going to be doing a lot more
44:38
Speaker 2: singing too.
44:39
Speaker 1: So now that we're friends, let me know when that's happening,
44:42
Speaker 1: because we're pretty much besties, so let me know when
44:45
Speaker 1: that's happening. And well, we've got a bunch of followers
44:47
Speaker 1: across all our platforms and obviously lots of listeners, so
44:51
Speaker 1: let us know and we'll give it a plug for you.
44:54
Speaker 1: Thank Georgie, your ace stay there. Will say goodbye affair.
44:57
Speaker 1: But thanks so much for hanging out with us at
44:58
Speaker 1: the U Project.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. What a joyful
45:02
Speaker 2: conversation to have. And thank you, Mel, Thank you so much.
45:05
Speaker 1: It was such a wonderful conversation to listen to.
45:07
Speaker 2: So thank you. Oh you're welcome, You're right crave.
45:10
Speaker 1: We could keep talking for hours, Yeah we could. I
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Speaker 1: think we're getting your back. Thanks everyone, Love you.