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#25: From Rock Bottom To Recovery | Hello, My Name Is Craig · Collectors MD Features

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Watching your wagers more than the game? Take
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a pause and see what else your gambling could
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be costing you. For free advice and financial
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counseling, visit oasas .ny .gov. The following
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program was pre -recorded. On WFAN, it's time
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for Hello, My Name is Craig. our weekly candid
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conversation about gambling addiction. Now, here's
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Craig Carton. Good morning. Welcome to another
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edition of Hello, My Name is Craig. Craig Carton
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with you for the next 30 minutes or so with a
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frank, open, honest conversation about compulsive
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gambling. Happy to have Alyx joining us this
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morning. Alyx, good morning. How are you? Good
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morning, Craig. I'm doing well. How are you?
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Doing great. How long has it been since your
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last wager? September of 2024 for my last traditional
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gambling wager. So two years. Have you wagered
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in a non -traditional manner since then or no?
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Well, that ties to a lot of the work we're doing,
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and it really comes down to how you define gambling.
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I would say yes, because my compulsive collecting
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extended beyond my last traditional wager. But
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since founding Collectors MD in March of 2025,
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I've shifted my focus to... Collect with intention,
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as we call it. So when you say collect, you're
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talking about memorabilia, cards, that type of
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thing? Memorabilia, sports cards, sneakers, watches,
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you name it. I've been a collector my entire
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life. So it's interesting, the dichotomy between
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the two. Let me go to the sports gambling or
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casino gambling first. I definitely want to dovetail
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back to the collection and how you view it these
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days. What type of gambler were you when you
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were really getting yourself into trouble? Yeah,
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Craig, when I was in the throes of my addiction,
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I was primarily gambling on live blackjack within
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the apps. That was really my kryptonite. That's
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what did me under. Give me an idea of at the
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height of your blackjack play, what would a normal
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day look like for you? Man. Well, waking up in
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the morning, firing up one of the apps and sitting
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down at one of the virtual tables in front of
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a, you know, a live dealer was like my morning
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cup of coffee. And just to have the motivation
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to get out of bed, I'd have to play at least
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a few hands. And quite often, you know, what
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started out as like an innocent 7 a .m. session.
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would uh sort of evolve into hours and hours
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of chasing losses and uh you know it could be
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it could have been on a work day could have been
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on the weekend um it was all consuming it just
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completely took over my life um you know i'd
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be working i'd have a call scheduled for 2 30
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and i'd have this unrelenting desire to uh play
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a few hands and again i'd fire up the app and
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I'd be chasing losses while simultaneously hosting
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a live meeting, which is just insane in hindsight.
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But that was my reality. So your reality is kind
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of something I talk about a lot. I quote the
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movie Mr. Mom, and in that movie there's a line
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that goes, even when you're here, you're not
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here. Meaning you're physically present, but
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emotionally and mentally present. You were checked
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out on anything happening in front of you because
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your focus was on, you know, the little three
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inch by three inch screen in which you're playing
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blackjack with a live dealer. That's exactly
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right. Craig, my dad would often say, you know,
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he'd be having a conversation with me and he
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could just, he could tell. He could tell that
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I wasn't present. It was like lights out, no
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one's home. He would often compare it to a waiter
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trying to keep a million saucers in the air from
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falling on the ground. That was literally me.
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My mind was just constantly on, how do I get
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back what I just lost? How do I place my next
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bet? How do I get back to New Jersey so that
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I can open up the DraftKings app? That was me.
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Got it. Were you single during all this? Were
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you in a relationship or no? No. My wife and
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I have been married since November of 2022. My
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active addiction really started to spiral, I
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would say, around 2021, so about a year prior
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to getting married. So the reason I ask that
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question is, did she know you only as the guy
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that's gambling a lot? were you guys together
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and the gambling got more aggressive and more
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aggressive and more time -consuming after you
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guys had started seeing each other? And the reason
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I ask that question is I always wonder if she
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ever came to you and said, hey, what's going
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on? Like, you're not as social as you used to
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be. You don't like music anymore. Like, we don't
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go out anymore. You're distracted, that kind
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of thing. Yeah, definitely the latter. We met
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in the summer of 2015. So we were together for...
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about six years before things started to really
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escalate with my gambling. And she absolutely
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noticed. She knew I gambled. She knew I participated
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in casual betting here and there. But she didn't
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really recognize or notice that things were starting
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to spiral until it inevitably did. Meaning financial
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problems, right? financial problems, emotional
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distance, you know, canceling plans last minute,
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you know, all of the usual signs that we see
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across the board. I want to answer your question.
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It's going to seem like it's a joke, and it's
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not. How many times, not the exact number, but
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how often would you pretend like you had to go
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to the bathroom, whether at a social function,
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an event, a house party, etc., just so that you
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could whip out the phone? And get an extra five
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or six hands of black check -in. Craig, my wife
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firmly believed that I had serious stomach problems.
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She would encourage me to go to the doctor to
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seek help because I would literally lock myself
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in the bathroom for hours on end, and I'd come
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out profusely sweating. So it's just something
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to get that up. It was very evident that I was
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either very sick or doing something. Completely
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flagrant. Was there ever an accusation of you
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cheating on her? Yes, definitely. But I think
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it was more than just that. It was like, you
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know, the financial infidelity was definitely
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something that came up. But it was before I think
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she really put two and two together and realized
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that it was the gambling. But like I told you,
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I've been a collector my entire life. I'm 36
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years old today. During my 20s, I was. A sneaker
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head. I once owned over 550 pairs of sneakers.
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So I was already spending beyond my means well
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before gambling entered the picture. But there's
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a difference between, like I'm a sneaker head
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also. There's a difference, I think, between
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collecting sneakers for the purpose of having
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this amazing collection that, you know, you want
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to be on an episode of Cribs kind of thing versus
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I'm now collecting with the point being I'm going
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to start trading. To me, those are two different
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things. Yeah, and there's a third thing. There's
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the validation, right? There's the wanting to
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keep up appearances, becoming a part of my identity
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and ego and needing to showcase this lifestyle
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to my friends and family that made them believe
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that I was this, you know. successful individual
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who could afford to buy whatever I wanted. Was
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collecting your main source of income or did
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you have a real job and did that on the side?
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Oh no, it was totally a side hobby, side hustle.
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I was in media and advertising for about 13 years.
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Got it. So let me get to what happened two years
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ago when you stopped playing blackjack. A lot
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of us have... for lack of a better term, a bottom
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-of -the -barrel moment. Like, there's a reason
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we stop, and it's not because necessarily that
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we want to stop. It's, hey, we ran out of money.
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We got arrested. Our spouse found out. You know,
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there's a million different reasons why you stop.
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Did you have a bottom -of -the -barrel moment
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where, you know, the poop hit the fan, or you
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got outed, or you got in trouble? Like, what
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happened? Yeah, that moment actually really took
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place in April of 2023. basically had gambled
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the most money away that i had ever gambled um
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or i had ever lost we're talking about uh and
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i know we don't talk about dollar amounts um
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but you know i always say this about the amounts
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you can talk about yeah for sure we just don't
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glorify it like we're not we're not proud of
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the fact yeah of course but it's all good so
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you were a couple hundred grand in debt Yeah,
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but it was like six figures of losses in like
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a 48 -hour window type deal. Where, yeah, after
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that bender, my wife was away on a bachelorette
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party and I just went to town. And towards the
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end of that, you know, tilt session, if you will,
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it was Friday morning. I hadn't slept for a minute
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over the span of two days. I was completely delirious.
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Didn't know what to do with myself. um, told
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myself that, uh, I was going to call my dad.
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It's like a, you know, a last cry for help. And,
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uh, if he didn't answer, I'd find a way to end
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it. That was, that was my mindset at the time.
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And so, um, he called my dad at 6 AM on a Friday,
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April, 2023. Thank God he answered the phone.
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He came and picked me up from my apartment in
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Jersey city, took me back to, uh, you know, my
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childhood home. I was, uh, paralyzed to the recliner
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in their living room that entire weekend, just
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not knowing what to do with myself. And did your
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dad, in that moment, start with the questioning
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and challenge you, or did he recognize that you
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were in such a bad place emotionally that he
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gave you space and figured once you kind of get
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some sleep and have something to eat, you know,
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he'll be able to address what's going on? Yeah,
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it was definitely the latter. You know, I went
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back home, and my parents knew that I was in
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a really bad way. They already knew. that gambling
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had become a problem. It was about a year, probably
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not quite a year. It was about eight months prior,
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I would say in August, September of 2022, that
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I came to them and told them that I had a gambling
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problem and that I needed help. But this is something
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that perpetuated over the span of several years.
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And so, um, in this particular moment, uh, my
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parents realized that they needed to intervene
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and, uh, help me get professional support. When
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you said a few moments ago that had your dad
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not answered the phone, you would have considered
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killing yourself. How, how real and tangible
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was that for you? Oh, it was as real as it gets,
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Craig. Um, you know, I, I couldn't, I couldn't
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get life insurance, uh, you know, because I reported
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to a therapist, psychiatrist of suicidal ideation.
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So, I mean, I was in a really, really bad way.
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Had you, like, given it thought, contemplated,
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other than, I don't want to wake up tomorrow,
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I'm going to kill myself, had you actually processed
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or thought about what you were going to do, and
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had you walked, like, emotionally and mentally
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walked through, hey, my fiance's going to be
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home on Sunday night, she's going to find me,
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like, that kind of stuff, or no? No, no, I didn't
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like process it in a way where I was like planning
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something out or like writing like a suicide
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note or anything like that. I just, you know,
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my mind just kept racing to like, you know, what,
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what do I like looked around the room? Like,
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what do I need to do? What's the easiest way
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out? Like, do I jump out the window? Do I overdose
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on pills? Like that's, that's the type. It was
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just like, it was so fragmented. It was just
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such chaos in my head. Um, it's, it's really
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hard to. recall exactly what i was thinking in
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that moment but logic and yeah there's no logic
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no rational thinking at that point exactly it
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was just completely irrational completely deranged
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so you're uh you go home for that weekend and
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then you kind of have to come to jesus moment
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with your folks for the second time and then
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did you immediately get into some kind of recovery
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program start going to ga like what was your
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process to get into a healthier space Yeah, so
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I had already started going to GA meetings, you
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know, right before the new year. So it was around
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November, December of 2022 is when I started
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going to GA meetings. And it wasn't the second
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time that I had, you know, sort of come to Jesus
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moment with my parents. It was probably the fifth
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or sixth. Right. I kept relapsing. I go to GA.
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I say my last day was this morning. Like, you
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know, it was just this ongoing cycle of. just
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not taking it seriously, trying to chase my losses,
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trying to put myself back in the driver's seat
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and go back to the fantasy land of living life
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in the fast lane. But in that moment, that weekend,
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my parents started doing some research and they
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discovered Right Choice Recovery. in Dayton,
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New Jersey, and I admitted into that program.
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I think they're great. I think Rob and his staff
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there are amazing. They change people's lives
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for the better. I couldn't agree more. Rob Sackowitz
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has very much saved my life in more ways than
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one. I send virtually every single person I counsel
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to Rob as one of the first things I do. The first
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thing I would say is you have to self -exclude
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because if you're not willing to self -exclude,
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I can't help you because you're going to continue
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to gamble. And then the second thing I do is
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I text Rob immediately and connect him and his
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staff. To me, they're saints. We're going to
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take a quick break. Hello, My Name is Craig.
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You can bet on all the sports all the time. Sure.
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But if your gambling is becoming more than a
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game, it might be time to take a pause and find
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out what it's really costing you. Visit Oasis
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.ny .gov. That's O -A -S -A -S .ny .gov to learn
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more. The following is pre -recorded. Back to
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more of Hello, My Name is Craig on The Fan with
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your host, Craig Carton. Welcome back to Hello,
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My Name is Craig. In my head, what I'm processing
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is you haven't played blackjack, casino gambled,
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sports gambled in a couple years, which is awesome.
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So you sound like you probably found yourself.
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You're back to who you are. But you're back to
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collecting. And as I understand collecting these
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days. You know, you're not collecting just to
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show off how many sneakers you got or playing
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cards you got. You're collecting to trade up
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and trade up and make money on it, which is why
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you admitted at the start of this that you kind
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of feel like, in a way, maybe you are gambling.
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So walk me through how you process that reality,
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which you verbalized, and yet you continue to
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do it. Yeah, so there's a lot of nuances here,
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Craig. I want to start out just by explaining
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why I started Collectors MD, which is the organization
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that I've committed my life and my career to
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that I started in March of 2025. And I really
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started Collectors MD because of my own personal
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experiences with not just the gambling, but the
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compulsive collecting, the overspending, the
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gambling -related behaviors that can come with
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modern -day collecting like you're talking about.
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Like I said earlier, I've been a collector my
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entire life, and for a long time, collecting
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was something that brought me a tremendous amount
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of joy. It was all about the nostalgia, the community,
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the friendships, the excitement of collecting.
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But over time, my relationship with collecting
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changed, and something that started as passion
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really gradually became something I struggled
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to control. And as I began navigating my own
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recovery through the traditional gambling, resources,
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I realized that I wasn't alone. There were other
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people that were experiencing similar challenges,
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but very few were talking about them openly.
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And there really weren't any resources specifically
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addressing what was happening within these modern
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collectibles environments. And so what stood
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out to me was this sort of disconnect between
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the two worlds, right? On one side, you have
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the collectibles industry where activities like
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live breaking, repacks, auctions, randomized
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products have become increasingly popular, but
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the potential behavioral risks aren't always
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recognized or understood. And then on the other
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side, you have the behavioral health and problem
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gambling community, where many professionals
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aren't necessarily familiar with how these activities
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work or why somebody might experience gambling
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-like behaviors or harm in an environment that
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isn't traditionally classified as gambling. And
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so I created Collectors MD to really bridge that
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gap. And so today, Collectors MD is a peer support,
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education, and advocacy initiative that's focused
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on compulsive collecting, overspending, and gambling
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-adjacent behaviors within modern collecting
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environments. And so we offer weekly peer support
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meetings. We put out educational content. We
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have practical tools and resources. We have pathways
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to professional support. And we also collaborate
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with collectibles businesses, behavioral health
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professionals, problem gambling councils. treatment
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centers, recovery organizations to really increase
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awareness and promote healthier participation.
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And something I always emphasize is that we are
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not anti -collecting. I still love the hobby.
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I recognize how much positivity, connection,
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and enjoyment it brings to millions of people.
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And so our approach recognizes that different
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people need different things. And for some, that
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might mean, like I said before, intentional collecting,
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which is our version of harm reduction, which
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means like establishing boundaries, taking accountability
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for your purchasing decisions, staying within
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your means. For others, that might mean abstinence,
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you know, taking a temporary or permanent break
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as the healthiest path forward. But ultimately,
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the goal isn't to tell people whether they should
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collect. It's to help people recognize when collecting
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is no longer serving them in a healthy way and
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really just making sure they have access to the
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education support and resources that they might
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need. Yeah, I'm looking at your website now.
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I'm fascinated by it. I think it's great what
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you're doing because it's real. You know, a lot
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of times, you know, an issue some people have
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with GA is you go into a certain room and the
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first thing you hear is you can never gamble
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again for the rest of your life. And when you're
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talking to people, especially younger guys, you
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know, that's daunting. That's why the first meeting
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is the easiest to go to. The second meeting is
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the hardest because... Yeah, you kind of get
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overwhelmed, and maybe the room doesn't feel
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like it's appropriate for you because of your
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age or whatever the case may be. So I'm just
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navigating your website here, and I think it's
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really smart because you're being real about
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it. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly, and what you just
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explained is exactly what I went through, right?
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I go to a GA, and I talk about my gambling addiction,
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but I also talk about joining breaks and overspending.
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ripping these personals and buying high -end
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singles on eBay. And it just didn't click with
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anybody. They just couldn't wrap their heads
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around how that could have the same sort of impact
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that traditional gambling environments do. And
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for me, the two activities really fueled each
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other. I would gamble. I'd have extra money.
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I'd go buy a box. Or on the flip side, if I spent
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a ton of money and missed on a break, I'd go
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and play blackjack to try to win the money back.
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And I think one of the most important distinctions
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between collecting and gambling is that collecting
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has redeeming qualities that exist independently
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of the financial outcome, right? Collecting is
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rooted in nostalgia, history, family, community,
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personal interests, emotional connections. It's
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something that can bring generations together,
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right? Like a parent and a child opening a pack
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of cards or someone building a collection around
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their favorite athlete or team. collectors forming
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lifelong friendships through a shared passion.
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So I think there's also a tangible component
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to it, right? You're acquiring an item that can
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have not just financial value, but personal,
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sentimental, historical value, regardless of
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whether it's worth more or less than what you
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paid. On the contrary, traditional gambling is
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fundamentally centered around wagering something
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of value on an uncertain outcome. And while gambling
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can certainly have social and entertainment value
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and some people can do it responsibly, more power
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to them, those aren't unique to gambling. And
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the wager itself doesn't create the same sort
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of lasting connection to an object or history
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or personal passion that collecting often does.
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And that's how I distinguish the two and why
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I firmly believe that harm reduction is a possible
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path forward for some people. when it comes to
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collecting versus gambling. Do you guys have
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the ability, because you do, obviously, on this
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website, you're creating a platform for people
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to continue to collect while also providing them
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a safe haven from problem collecting, and there's
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tons of resources here. Is there any concern
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that you guys have? Can you recognize somebody
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that comes to your site because they want to
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collect in a safer way? Maybe they do have a
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problem. that exhibits behavior that you guys
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would recognize as problematic and then let them
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know directly, hey, we're not going to let you
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trade on this site anymore, but we're going to
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connect you to the resources we have to get you
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help? Yeah, absolutely. And I think that's one
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of the most important considerations when we
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talk about harm reduction and intentional collecting,
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right? Intentional collecting isn't necessarily
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the right approach for everyone. And I think
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we'd be doing people a disservice if we suggested
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otherwise, right? For some people, setting financial
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limits and establishing boundaries and approaching
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their hobby more intentionally can be effective.
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But for a lot of people, particularly those who
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have repeatedly tried to moderate their behavior
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or maybe have a history with gambling addiction,
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for those people, continued participation may
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actually perpetuate the cycle of harm. And that's
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where really self -awareness and accountability
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and honest assessment have to become so important,
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right? We have to recognize that someone can
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really convince themselves they're collecting
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intentionally when in reality they're still engaging
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in the same compulsive behaviors just under a
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different label. And that's a genuine concern.
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And it's something we take very seriously at
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Collectors MD. We don't want harm reduction to
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become just another justification for continued
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harmful behavior. If someone is consistently
23:58
exceeding their limits or hiding purchases or
24:00
chasing losses or experiencing financial, emotional,
24:04
mental, relational consequences, you know, of
24:07
their actions or from their actions or finding
24:11
themselves like unable to disengage. Those are
24:13
signs that, you know, intentional collecting
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may not be an appropriate strategy. And so in
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those types of situations, we would recommend
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stepping away from the hobby, whether temporarily
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or permanently as the healthier option. And then
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ideally connect them with, appropriate professional
24:33
support. And I mentioned this earlier, but we
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have a fully fleshed out referral network of
24:37
licensed therapists, clinicians, doctors, financial
24:40
advisors, attorneys that we can direct people
24:44
to to get the real professional support that
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they might need. Well, I think what you're doing
24:49
is great. I think it's important. It's funny
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because I never considered, you know, because
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I'm not a collector, that collecting is another
24:56
form of gambling, which clearly it is these days.
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And everyone's chasing the holy grail of a one
25:01
-of -one, this and that. So I applaud you for
25:04
doing it. I'm so glad you shared your story with
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us. And I'm really glad that when the demons
25:08
were coming after you and the walls were caving
25:10
in, you didn't make a decision that's irreversible.
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And I think we need to tell more of those stories
25:14
publicly. And anything I can do to help you guys
25:17
out, please use me as a resource. And I appreciate
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you joining us today very, very much. Absolutely,
25:22
Craig. Can I say one last thing? Of course. So
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kind of full circle moment, I know how much you
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support and respect Right Choice Recovery. From
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September through, I should say, September 2025
25:36
through August of 2026, I actually worked at
25:40
Right Choice leading group meetings in a clinical
25:43
setting for gambling addiction, helping those
25:46
overcome a lot of the challenges that I faced
25:51
during my active addiction. That paired with
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the work I'm doing at Collectors MD. is really
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what I believe step 12 is all about, paying it
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forward, turning pain into purpose, helping other
26:02
people overcome struggles that you once faced.
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And that's what I've committed my life and my
26:06
career to. And I'm not saying everybody has to
26:09
do exactly that or get up on a stage and preach
26:14
from the mountaintops. But I definitely think
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that... Step 12 is one of, if not the most important.
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Not just that. You found what might be your true
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calling and why you're here. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
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I do firmly believe that. And I promise you this.
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I guarantee you that when you look in the mirror,
26:34
you like what you see a whole lot more than you
26:36
did a couple years ago. Yeah, yeah. I found identity,
26:40
purpose, belonging, all in places that, you know,
26:44
I never thought in a million years I would find.
26:47
I'm super grateful for recovery. And while I
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obviously regret a lot of the decisions I made
26:54
along the way, I ultimately have no regrets because
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I now have the opportunity and platform to help
26:59
other people. And you're very blessed that you
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have the parents you have and the woman you have.
27:05
Because without them, you might not be here telling
27:07
this story. So give them an extra hug. Thank
27:10
you so much for joining us. Look forward to meeting
27:12
you one day in person as well. And keep doing
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what you're doing because you're making a difference.
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Thank you. Yeah, likewise, Craig. Thank you so
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much. Take care. Be well. Appreciate you allowing
27:20
us into your homes as always. This has been another
27:22
edition of Hello, My Name is Craig. Watching
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your wagers more than the game? Take a pause
27:28
and see what else your gambling could be costing
27:30
you. For free advice and financial counseling,
27:32
visit oasas .ny .gov.