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Credlin | 3 December · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Great to have your company. Here's what's coming
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Speaker 2: up in a program tonight, the grim reality of trying
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Speaker 2: to run a business in Victorian revealed a new report
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Speaker 2: card writing the state did last in the country.
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Speaker 3: Set to get worse as well.
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Speaker 2: One leading businessman's shutting out shop in the state. He's
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Speaker 2: going to Adelaide, he joins me, to explain why he
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Speaker 2: has to leave. The riff between the PM and time
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Speaker 2: to pleversec seems to be growing. Senior labor figures called
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Speaker 2: in to say votes in Tasmania a mid fears of
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Speaker 2: PLEVASEC will shut down the salmon industry. Meanwhile, communities are
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Speaker 2: in limbo while the political games play out. I speak
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Speaker 2: to a local mayor as this issue looks set to
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Speaker 2: drive votes away from labor plas Donald Trump stern warning
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Speaker 2: for HUMMAS to release the remaining hostages before he's sworn
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Speaker 2: in or as he said today, they'll be hell to
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Speaker 2: pay for those responsible. Keith harder, he says, than anyone's
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Speaker 2: been hit the long and storied history of the United States,
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Speaker 2: and with the national accounts out tomorrow and that per
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Speaker 2: capita recession expected to continue. Today, we learned the shocking
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Speaker 2: number of Australians on hardship plans as they struggle to
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Speaker 2: pay for their electricity. So much for Labour's power bill.
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Speaker 4: Promus reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 1: By twenty twenty five, two hundred and seventy five dollars
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Speaker 1: a year.
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Speaker 4: Two hundred and seventy five dollars a year will get.
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Speaker 1: Power prices down by two hundred and seventy five dollars
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Speaker 1: a year.
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Speaker 2: But first on a day, it seems, goes by without
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Speaker 2: more warnings on energy. You know, the electricity and the
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Speaker 2: gas that we once could take for granted that was
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Speaker 2: affordable and available, The energy that's now demonized for supposedly
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Speaker 2: putting the planet at risk from climate change. Hence the
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Speaker 2: push to end the household use of gas for heating
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Speaker 2: and cooking and to generate all electricity.
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Speaker 3: From renewable wind and solar.
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Speaker 2: The electricity that the element is government assures us must
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Speaker 2: be cheap because wind and solar are free. It's somehow,
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Speaker 2: you know, our bills just go up and up. The
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Speaker 2: electricity that's supposed to be abundant, We can't use our
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Speaker 2: dishwashers when it's too hot or heaters when it's too cold,
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Speaker 2: because that'll just overload the system. I mean, it can't
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Speaker 2: be much of a system at all, can it.
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Speaker 3: Or more bad news today.
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Speaker 2: First, the Australian Energy Regulator has revealed that more than
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Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty thousand households are on what's called
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Speaker 2: household payment plans, so payments for people in financial stress
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Speaker 2: because they can't pay their power bills. Now that's up
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Speaker 2: about a third from twelve months ago.
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Speaker 3: We learn also that.
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Speaker 2: The average power bill debt these households oh is nearly
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Speaker 2: fifteen hundred dollars. And the second bit of bad news
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Speaker 2: today is the warning from the Australian Energy Market Operator
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Speaker 2: to the four million or so Australian households with solar
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Speaker 2: panels that they might soon lose the benefit of the
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Speaker 2: feeding because solar power is overloading.
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Speaker 3: The grid during the middle of the day.
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Speaker 2: We don't have enough batteries, of course, to absorb all
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Speaker 2: that excess power. Now, this is what happens when ideological
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Speaker 2: fervor drives a giant energy experiment. It's not being thought
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Speaker 2: through and that is inherently unachievable. It's what happens when
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Speaker 2: activism trumps engineering. There is just no way we can
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Speaker 2: run the first world electricity system. It's largely based on
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Speaker 2: generation that only works when the wind blows and the
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Speaker 2: sun shines. Certainly it can't work without an abundance of gas,
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Speaker 2: which we also lack because the same green zelotry that's
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Speaker 2: anti coal is also anti gas, even though gas is
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Speaker 2: about half the emissions of coal. But don't worry, all
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Speaker 2: these problems are due to what the Energy Minister, Chris
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Speaker 2: Bowen says. It's a fossil fuel crisis, the heat reckons
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Speaker 2: he can solve with yet more renewable Even though it's
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Speaker 2: only thanks to cole it still supplies sixty percent of
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Speaker 2: the East Coast grid that we have any electricity at
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Speaker 2: all on some of those windless and overcast days. It's
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Speaker 2: no wonder that energy is already shaping up to be
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Speaker 2: a key campaign of vulnerability for the Prime Minister as
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Speaker 2: we start to head to the next election. With this
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Speaker 2: add out today from the Liberals.
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Speaker 1: Remember when Anthony Obernezi promised to cut your power bills
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Speaker 1: by two hundred and seventy five dollars a year. That
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Speaker 1: was three years ago to the day, and he didn't
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Speaker 1: just promise at.
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Speaker 5: Once two hundred two hundred, two hundred and seventy five.
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Speaker 1: Dollarss Labour said at ninety seven times before the last election.
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Speaker 6: But what's it delivered?
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Speaker 1: Well, electricity prices are now up to one thousand dollars
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Speaker 1: more than what Labor promised.
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Speaker 2: I used to call our energy policy in Australia a
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Speaker 2: slow motion train wreck, but business journalist Terry mccrann I
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Speaker 2: think set at best. He said it's an economic suicide
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Speaker 2: note and one look at the nation's balance sheet, I
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Speaker 2: suspectably worse tomorrow says that mccran is right, all right,
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Speaker 2: from one labor disaster to another. After ten years of
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Speaker 2: labor rule, Victoria is now the worst state in the
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Speaker 2: country for doing business thanks to ten years under Premiers
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Speaker 2: Daniel Andrews, and now he's understudied just into Alan, says
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Speaker 2: the Business Council of Australia. Victoria has some of the
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Speaker 2: least competitive property tax settings, payroll taxes and business licensing
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Speaker 2: requirements in the country. Here's the boss of the BCA,
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Speaker 2: Bran Black.
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Speaker 7: We know that Victoria's got more work to do with
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Speaker 7: respect to stamp duty, it's got the highest stamp duty
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Speaker 7: rate in the country. Land tax it's got the third
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Speaker 7: highest land tax rate in the country. It's got significant
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Speaker 7: business licensing requirements, and its payroll tax rate is high.
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Speaker 7: And it's also a pretty low threshold as well, just
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Speaker 7: sitting at nine hundred thousand.
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Speaker 6: So there's work to do.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: This comes on top of a report last week from
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Speaker 2: the Victorian Order to General that forecast state debt to
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Speaker 2: rise to two hundred and twenty eight billion dollars by
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight. Now, a decade back, Victoria's debt was
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Speaker 2: just thirty three billion thirty three billion, and according to
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Speaker 2: the Order to General's annual report, the state has no
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Speaker 2: plan for long term fiscal management. Current strategies, said the
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Speaker 2: Order to General, are and I quote short term reactive
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Speaker 2: and do not address both the existing financial challenges and
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Speaker 2: emerging financial risks. Who would have thought Victoria would be
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Speaker 2: in worse financial shape than I to either Tasmania or
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Speaker 2: South Australia, which the BCA reckons is now the easiest
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Speaker 2: state to do business in the country thanks to a
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Speaker 2: premier from Labour's right who mostly gets it. You can't
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Speaker 2: have a strong society without a strong economy.
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Speaker 3: To sustain it. Because that's what's needed.
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Speaker 2: Now right around our country. An appreciation that government doesn't
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Speaker 2: have a dollar to spend, that it doesn't get from you,
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Speaker 2: the taxpayer, that it's successful businesses and people who work
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Speaker 2: hard and aspire to get ahead that creates Australia's wealth,
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Speaker 2: not ever bigger government. Tomorrow we'll get the National account figures.
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Speaker 2: They're likely to show a seventh successive quarter of negative
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Speaker 2: growth per person, the longest running household recession in seven decades.
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Speaker 2: That's so I'm wrong on those National account figures which
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Speaker 2: you get out in the community. Certainly doesn't feel like it.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to Camra now for the headlines. Sky News
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Speaker 2: political reporter cam Reddin.
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Speaker 5: Good evening China's tariffs on Australia are no more. Beijing
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Speaker 5: has agreed to lift its last remaining trade restriction. With
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Speaker 5: more than twenty billion dollars of sanctions on wine, lobster,
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Speaker 5: balley and other products already removed, just two banned beef
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Speaker 5: abatoirs remained. Beijing has now announced that those two will
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Speaker 5: be removed, reducing the number and value of Chinese tariffs
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Speaker 5: all the way down to zero. Australia's largest bank has
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Speaker 5: been urged to rethink a decision to charge customers for
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Speaker 5: withdrawing their own cash.
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Speaker 8: This is a kick in the guts for ordinary Australians
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Speaker 8: and the worst Christmas present imaginable.
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Speaker 5: From January, the Commonwealth Bank will implement a three dollars
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Speaker 5: charge on thousands of customers who withdraw cash from a branch,
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Speaker 5: the post office or by phone. Users under eighteen and
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Speaker 5: pensioners will be exempt from the fee and it won't
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Speaker 5: apply to withdrawals from an eight m.
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Speaker 8: And the government won't stand for it. Commonwealth Bank has
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Speaker 8: to rethink this terrible decision.
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Speaker 5: As the cost and composition of energy looms large over
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Speaker 5: the next election. It's been revealed thousands more Australians are
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Speaker 5: struggling to pay their power bills.
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Speaker 3: People are very angry at this government.
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Speaker 9: They're angry at Chris Bowen because they're doing it so tough.
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Speaker 5: According to the Energy Regulator, there are now one hundred
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Speaker 5: and thirty thousand households on hardship payment plans to help
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Speaker 5: them keep up with the cost of power.
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Speaker 9: People are recognizing that there is some support there to
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Speaker 9: try and get them through this difficult period.
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Speaker 5: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 2: After our escathing report from the Royal Commission into Defense
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Speaker 2: and Veterans Suicide found current systems were grossly inadequate, the
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Speaker 2: federal government's vowed to implement historic reforms to defense and Veterans' bodies.
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Speaker 2: The first act, they say, will be to establish a
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Speaker 2: new Defense and Veterans Services Commission that will oversee the reforms,
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Speaker 2: while the further one hundred and four recommendations have now
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Speaker 2: been agreed to. For more on this than other issues,
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Speaker 2: I'm joined by our political editor Andrew Clennell.
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Speaker 3: Welcome Andrew.
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Speaker 2: We know this is a result of a pretty horrific, harrowing.
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Speaker 3: I have to say, three year inquiry.
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Speaker 2: So I presume we're talking about reform films here that
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Speaker 2: will be actioned promptly with bipartisan support.
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Speaker 10: Yes, I mean the minister said today in February they
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Speaker 10: could bring the legislation to set up this new commission
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Speaker 10: in Parliament and the oppositions made clear that they will
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Speaker 10: support that proposal. So good news for veterans.
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Speaker 6: I think.
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Speaker 10: What our veterans' advocates are saying now though, is who
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Speaker 10: is appointed to head It is the key can't be
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Speaker 10: just some Canberra bureaucrat of the words of someone to
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Speaker 10: me today. It has to be someone who is going
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Speaker 10: to show some courage in the space, whether it be
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Speaker 10: Bernadette Boss who was previously Interim Royal Commissioner, Heston Russell
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Speaker 10: was even saying today Nick Eldis, But whoever it is,
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Speaker 10: has to be someone who's serious about the recommendations.
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Speaker 6: That's a critical appointment next year.
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Speaker 3: One hundredercent.
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Speaker 2: And I think it's got also put on its books
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Speaker 2: retired military personnel, not just at officer level, but people
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Speaker 2: who were general soldiers and the m and etc. So
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Speaker 2: that they've got the practical experience of what it's like
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Speaker 2: to leave the military and struggle to get work. Let's
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Speaker 2: go to the national accounts to do out tomorrow. We've
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Speaker 2: had a bit of a glimpse already though into our
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Speaker 2: balance sheets.
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Speaker 3: Pretty grim.
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Speaker 2: The latest ABS data reports the government spending blew out
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Speaker 2: to one hundred and ninety six billion in the September quarter,
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Speaker 2: largely driven a course by the Power Bill rebates our
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Speaker 2: money coming back to us and all those wage rises
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Speaker 2: for public servants. The net operating balance, that's the difference
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Speaker 2: of course between the government's operating revenue and its expenses,
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Speaker 2: saying by more than thirty billion to a running deficit
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Speaker 2: of eighteen billion. We've also got a hit to mining
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Speaker 2: profits Andrew they're down four point six billion, so tomorrow,
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Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong. I think we're looking at
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Speaker 2: that seventh quarter of negative growth in per capita terms, don't.
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Speaker 6: You think probably?
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Speaker 10: But even if we aren't, the only reason it would
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Speaker 10: be in positive terms is a big government spend, whether
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Speaker 10: it be federal, state or local governments. And all these handouts,
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Speaker 10: a lot of them, of course occurred in Queensland during
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Speaker 10: that election, as well as the federal government spend and
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Speaker 10: as you say, growth in public service.
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Speaker 6: And here in New South Wales you know you've.
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Speaker 10: Had big wage rises from the New South Wales labor
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Speaker 10: government at various levels.
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Speaker 6: So look, it's concerning.
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Speaker 10: What's concerning is in a period of inflation, when that
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Speaker 10: has to be moderated, government spending shouldn't be growing. The
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Speaker 10: only time government spending arguably should be growing is when
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Speaker 10: there's high un employment and it's a desperate recession.
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Speaker 6: Sort of situation.
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Speaker 10: That's not what we're in in terms of that sort
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Speaker 10: of high unemployment situation. So the danger is that Australia
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Speaker 10: becomes reliant on bigger government, and this is something the
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Speaker 10: Opposition will push instead of incentivizing the private sector to
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Speaker 10: create the majority of jobs.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big dividing line. It used to be
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Speaker 2: when I started adding politics between the left and the right.
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Speaker 2: Once I loves big government, the other side says government
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Speaker 2: should only be as big as it needs to be
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Speaker 2: to do what needs to be done, what ordinary citizens
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Speaker 2: can't do for themselves, and then get out of the way. Hey,
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Speaker 2: they'd add out today from the opposition leaders. Feels to
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Speaker 2: me like we're in a bit of a campaign mode already.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, And I think Peter is sort of framing things
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Speaker 10: in terms of the broken power bill promise by the
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Speaker 10: government ahead of his own announcement on nuclear costs, his
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Speaker 10: nuclear policy costs, which I expect the next week and
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Speaker 10: a half. So I think this is a very deliberate
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Speaker 10: strategy to They've already put out a costing on the
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Speaker 10: renewables plan. They put it over six hundred and forty
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Speaker 10: two billion dollars, and now they're saying, look at this
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Speaker 10: power bill breake and promise, and this will lead up
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Speaker 10: to their own greater, fuller nuclear policy, which of course
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Speaker 10: the government will attack and say is too expensive. So
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Speaker 10: it's all a framing ready for that particular moment.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've got some stuff to reveal tomorrow night,
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Speaker 2: just on that big cost because the government used to
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Speaker 2: say it was one hundred and twenty two billion, they're
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Speaker 2: now not disputing that six hundred billion dollar figure. And
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Speaker 2: I've got some letters from Chris Bowen then i'll reveal
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Speaker 2: tomorrow night. All right, let's go to that whole frakka,
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Speaker 2: that whole frakka we saw yesterday about Australia Day and
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Speaker 2: the pub chain basically banning us from celebrating.
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Speaker 3: In their venues.
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Speaker 2: You think they might want to make some money, but anyway,
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Speaker 2: massive own goal quick response from voters. Do you think
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Speaker 2: these sort of woke issues? And I Scott Morrison said,
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm not interested in woke. Do you think
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Speaker 2: they're going to come up in the campaign as we
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Speaker 2: saw they did very much in the United States when
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Speaker 2: we eventually do go to the polls here.
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Speaker 10: Well, I don't think Albanese will swing at the soccer
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Speaker 10: ball on those ones, so they might for the Greens.
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Speaker 10: But I think AALBINESI will say keep Australia a let's
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Speaker 10: stick with Australia.
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Speaker 11: Ay.
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Speaker 6: And it's interesting.
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Speaker 10: I had Elebanese Australian cab driver go on to me
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Speaker 10: for twenty minutes about this issue, Peter. So if you
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Speaker 10: want to see some residents of an issue occurred to
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Speaker 10: me this morning. He was blowing up about it. He
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Speaker 10: was saying it's a disgrace these pubs et cetera, et cetera.
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Speaker 10: So I really felt that was interesting that, you know,
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Speaker 10: there's a lot of issue.
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Speaker 6: It's been about the last couple of weeks.
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Speaker 10: No one's talking about those thirty or forty bills they
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Speaker 10: got through, Peter. They're talking about this issue and some
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Speaker 10: of these issues stick. But the thing is with Alberanezi,
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Speaker 10: I think you know he's been in the parliament since
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Speaker 10: nineteen ninety sixte know it's better than to get sucked
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Speaker 10: into these sort of woke wars as you call them.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, what's his government though?
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Speaker 2: That said to local councils, I mean they provide the
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Speaker 2: apparatus the federal government about citizenship ceremonies. If you don't
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Speaker 2: want to deal it on Australia Day, you don't have
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Speaker 2: to on the twenty six you can pick another day.
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Speaker 3: So he's sort of kicked this all off.
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Speaker 2: It'd be pretty difficult for him to say nothing to
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Speaker 2: do with me here, look away, I'm backing Australia Day now.
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Speaker 10: And of course we had the Willies boycott suggestion from
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Speaker 10: Peter Hutton last year, didn't we say, I've no doubt
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Speaker 10: it'll sort of blow up and it will led us
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Speaker 10: into an election year. But it's something that's particularly pertinent
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Speaker 10: around that time of year, Australia Day. Then bigger issues
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Speaker 10: around the economy will take center stage for the campaign.
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Speaker 2: What did you make of that analysis out from the
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Speaker 2: BCA They want a whole lot of forms that they
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Speaker 2: talk productivity.
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Speaker 3: I genuinely don't think anyone out.
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Speaker 2: There in the real world even understands what productivity is.
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Speaker 2: But do you think this is going to be a
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Speaker 2: bit of a feature of the campaign that the business
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Speaker 2: groups are actually going to find a bit of a spine.
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Speaker 10: Well, the business groups need to come up with some
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Speaker 10: actual policy ideas, actually define what they're after in terms
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Speaker 10: that aren't that bureaucratic. As you point out, I mean,
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Speaker 10: there's no good getting out there and talking about productivity
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Speaker 10: all the time.
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Speaker 6: No one cares.
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Speaker 10: You've got to say things like we've got to build
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Speaker 10: more houses, we've got to create more jobs, and you
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Speaker 10: know that's usually occurs through ir reform, let's face it,
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Speaker 10: and the labor government's taken that our reform in the
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Speaker 10: other direction. But you're right, the unions fight harder during campaigns.
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Speaker 10: It's a bit of a test for the BCA. They've
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Speaker 10: appointed a next liberal to head that he's not the
17:23
Speaker 10: most he's a nice bloke, he's not the most articulate bloke.
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Speaker 10: He's not the best salesperson. But I'm sure from the
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Speaker 10: liberal point of view, they'll be looking for a business
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Speaker 10: community that does back them in hard and doesn't sort
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Speaker 10: of do it in a half hearted fashion, particularly when
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Speaker 10: we're looking at a pretty tight election.
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Speaker 2: Right, all this talk of a rift between the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister and Tannya Plebisik, the PM says no rift, but
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Speaker 2: a lot of her policies have been put on the
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Speaker 2: back burner now they've been worked up though nature positive
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Speaker 2: plan her salmon fishing decision. Will get to that one
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Speaker 2: in a moment, but also it's worked up negative gearing
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Speaker 2: as we know that's been modeled So is this labor
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Speaker 2: perhaps getting a whole lot of options ready this side
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Speaker 2: of the election to then horse trade with the Greens
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Speaker 2: should we get to a hung parliament situation. Is that
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Speaker 2: what this is about? Or is there really a deep
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Speaker 2: rift between the two Yeah.
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Speaker 10: I mean if you think there's no rift here, you
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Speaker 10: believe in Santa Claus Petter there's obviously a rift. And
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Speaker 10: you know, Charmers and plebisk were talking in the House
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Speaker 10: for ten or fifteen minutes the other day we showed
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Speaker 10: the photo. Jim Charmers came up with the negative gearing investigation,
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Speaker 10: tenure Plibersecas come up with this almost a deal, and
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Speaker 10: then Anthony Alberanesi, after hearing from the WA Premier, scup
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Speaker 10: at it. So of course there's a rift, but you'd
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Speaker 10: never expect Anthony Alberesi to go on radio and say, yes, yes,
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Speaker 10: I've got a massive rift with my minister. So there
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Speaker 10: are certainly tensions there. I don't think there has to
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Speaker 10: be much of a horse trade with the Greens. I
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Speaker 10: think the horse trade sort of comes down the track.
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Speaker 10: I mean, David Shubridge was on Sunday Agenda. He said
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Speaker 10: we will never give confidence and supply to Peter Dutton
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Speaker 10: and suggesting they will give it to labor. And that's
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Speaker 10: a big advantage. You know, if you end up with
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Speaker 10: seventy seats in the Anthony Albanese out of the seventy
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Speaker 10: six you need, you pretty much got the rest of
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Speaker 10: the numbers with the Greens there. Now, Julia Gillard gave
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Speaker 10: away the carbon tax. She didn't do it at the start,
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Speaker 10: she did it through the term. That's where you end
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Speaker 10: up seeing these sort of deals happen. I think through
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Speaker 10: the term and you know she was actually ahead that
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Speaker 10: day and she was never ahead again. In factually, you know,
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Speaker 10: was on target to win about thirty of one hundred
19:34
Speaker 10: and fifty seats. So look, I don't think these proposals
19:38
Speaker 10: are about that. The Greens argue that the negative gearing
19:41
Speaker 10: one must have been aimed at considering a negative gearing deal,
19:44
Speaker 10: but that was a charmer's idea, not an Albansy idea.
19:47
Speaker 10: I think it's just Albenezy lets his ministers go out
19:51
Speaker 10: and do these sort of policy investigations, try to reach agreement,
19:56
Speaker 10: and then he ends up knocking him on the head.
19:58
Speaker 10: And that's a pretty interesting din because your ministers aren't thrilled.
20:01
Speaker 6: They sort of get embarrassed by it.
20:05
Speaker 2: I haven't said agree with you though. There there will
20:07
Speaker 2: be no chance of the Greens lining up with Peter Dartner.
20:09
Speaker 2: I always thought it was crackers of Gillard to do
20:12
Speaker 2: that sort of photo shoot with Bob Brown when she
20:15
Speaker 2: did about securing his support. It was never going to
20:19
Speaker 2: go to Tony Abbott. She didn't need to pay any
20:21
Speaker 2: sort of blood price there. And norm will the Prime
20:23
Speaker 2: Minister if it comes to that after the election. Thank
20:25
Speaker 2: you Andrew, see you next week, all right, after the break.
20:28
Speaker 2: What's going on in Victoria? A businessman, a big businessman
20:31
Speaker 2: leaving the state. He's got a few words to say
20:33
Speaker 2: as he walks at and shuts the door, though class
20:36
Speaker 2: a shocking number of ordinary Australians that need help just
20:39
Speaker 2: to pay their bills.
20:45
Speaker 3: Banks sort of come.
20:45
Speaker 2: The power bill pain being felled by a growing number
20:48
Speaker 2: of household up almost thirty percent on the last year,
20:51
Speaker 2: with prices set to look like they'll increase, but verse
20:55
Speaker 2: to Victoria, which can now claim the jube is honor
20:57
Speaker 2: of sitting dead last in the country as a place
21:00
Speaker 2: to do business. That's according to the Business Council of
21:03
Speaker 2: Australia's annual.
21:04
Speaker 3: Scorecard, which puts the.
21:06
Speaker 2: State way behind on nearly every business metric worth looking at.
21:11
Speaker 2: This morning, the Victorian Premier said, nothing to see here.
21:15
Speaker 12: People from Sydney like, Look, this is a view from others.
21:18
Speaker 3: What I'm focused on.
21:19
Speaker 12: What I am focused on is Victorians, Victorians in jobs,
21:24
Speaker 12: because behind every job is a worker and a family
21:27
Speaker 12: who needs. The Victorian government focused on then, and that's
21:30
Speaker 12: what I'm doing, focused on busy families and building those
21:34
Speaker 12: things that families need.
21:37
Speaker 2: There's no emotion in those numbers, lady, The numbers don't lie.
21:40
Speaker 2: Joining me now, someone who knows all too well the
21:42
Speaker 2: struggle of running a business in Victoria, and someone who's
21:45
Speaker 2: about to leave, John Seeley, who's the boss of Sealy International,
21:48
Speaker 2: Australia's largest air conditioning and heading manufacturer. John, thank you
21:53
Speaker 2: for your time. Look, you actually got a lot of
21:56
Speaker 2: incentives from labor to expand into Victoria, but already you've
22:01
Speaker 2: got to close your factory in aubrey Wodonga, you say,
22:04
Speaker 2: because of the costs. So what is it that's suffocating
22:07
Speaker 2: business in the state.
22:11
Speaker 4: Yeah, good evening, Peter, and thank you. In fact, that
22:14
Speaker 4: financial support that was promised by the Andrews government never
22:17
Speaker 4: eventuated because we simply didn't have the confidence to continue
22:20
Speaker 4: with our planned investment. What's really suffocating our business. The
22:25
Speaker 4: number one thing for us is this Victorian government's ill
22:29
Speaker 4: advised energy policy, their anti gas obsession, which is ideologically
22:34
Speaker 4: driven and which the way they are rolling it out obtrusely,
22:38
Speaker 4: it's driving up emissions. They're literally spending hundreds of millions
22:42
Speaker 4: of dollars hundreds of millions in the past year incentivizing
22:46
Speaker 4: homeowners in Victoria to rip out of their homes perfectly
22:49
Speaker 4: functional gas heaters that we've manufactured here in Australia and
22:53
Speaker 4: replace them with fully imported reverse cycle systems which in
22:57
Speaker 4: the summer will put at least five times as the
23:00
Speaker 4: demand on the grid for cooling their homes of of
23:04
Speaker 4: apprid of air conditioning. So it honestly doesn't make sense.
23:07
Speaker 4: It is an obsession, and it's driving up the cost
23:10
Speaker 4: of power. It's causing instability and unreliability, and that's important
23:14
Speaker 4: for consumers, for homeowners, it's very important for our business
23:17
Speaker 4: and it's really impacting us.
23:21
Speaker 2: I would have thought, you know, in Elbury Wodonga it
23:23
Speaker 2: would be a big employer. I mean it'll make a
23:25
Speaker 2: big difference in that community when you go. Well, what's
23:28
Speaker 2: been the reaction of all Riverdonga residents.
23:33
Speaker 4: Yeah, our staff there, many of them have worked with
23:36
Speaker 4: us for twenty years, more so the big shock We
23:40
Speaker 4: gave them that news a few months ago. And to
23:42
Speaker 4: their credit, they are really working well to help us
23:45
Speaker 4: finish up well there and transfer those operations to Adelaide
23:49
Speaker 4: to South Australia. But it's a big change for them
23:53
Speaker 4: and for us. It's aren't completely unnecessary, would have been
23:56
Speaker 4: unnecessary except for the business conditions that are created by
24:00
Speaker 4: vised government policies.
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Speaker 2: As anyone try to reach out to you from the
24:04
Speaker 2: Victorian government to try and get you to change your mind,
24:07
Speaker 2: you see those stats out today. Victoria's stone cold, motherless.
24:10
Speaker 2: Last you think the last thing the government would need
24:13
Speaker 2: is businesses leaving the state. Have they tried to address
24:16
Speaker 2: your concerns?
24:20
Speaker 4: No, certainly, no one's reached out to us, and in
24:22
Speaker 4: fact the opposite. We have been trying consistently to engage
24:26
Speaker 4: with them around the energy policy. And worse than falling
24:30
Speaker 4: on deaf is that it does appear to be a
24:31
Speaker 4: willful deafness, and we can only view it as ideologically driven,
24:36
Speaker 4: an absolute refusal to engage with the real world impacts
24:40
Speaker 4: of the policies that they are rolling out.
24:45
Speaker 3: So it's interesting.
24:45
Speaker 2: South Australia's obviously got a labor premier, so has Victoria
24:49
Speaker 2: that they top and tail that list. When I talk
24:52
Speaker 2: to businesses, they say, John Malanowskiz, Peter Malonsker, sorry.
24:57
Speaker 3: Couldn't be more positive.
25:00
Speaker 2: Is willing to get on a plane, go into state,
25:02
Speaker 2: try and drag a business into Adelaide, do everything you
25:06
Speaker 2: can to make it sort of attractive to shift. What's
25:10
Speaker 2: been your experience heading into South Australia.
25:16
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I thank you, Peter. And we've had an
25:18
Speaker 4: operation here in South Australia as well for many years,
25:21
Speaker 4: fifty two in fact, so we do have a national presence,
25:24
Speaker 4: but certainly our experience also Peter melanowskis and his government
25:28
Speaker 4: very proactive, very engaging, the reasonable, and they also are
25:34
Speaker 4: prepared to listen and to engage, and they have a
25:37
Speaker 4: view that what is good for business and for workers
25:40
Speaker 4: is also good for the economy and everyone can win.
25:42
Speaker 4: And that's what we're experiencing here in South Australia.
25:47
Speaker 2: You won't sadly be the last business to leave Victoria.
25:50
Speaker 2: I suspect John, you.
25:53
Speaker 4: Might be right, and our business in Victoria continues. We
25:56
Speaker 4: have an important presence there, selling our products a lot
25:59
Speaker 4: of customers there. We are concerned for our customers and
26:02
Speaker 4: for our continuing employees in Victoria, but certainly we've made
26:06
Speaker 4: that unfortunate, that frankly gutrenching decision to move all of
26:10
Speaker 4: our manufacturing from the Victoria border area in Aubury Wadonga.
26:16
Speaker 2: We'll go on your John for speaking out because too
26:18
Speaker 2: many business business owners have a lot of bravado behind
26:22
Speaker 2: closed doors, but they're not prepared to call the government
26:25
Speaker 2: of whatever persuasion out and voters don't know what's really
26:29
Speaker 2: going on in the economy unless people like you speak.
26:32
Speaker 2: Do you expect you're going to get some sort of
26:33
Speaker 2: backlash here?
26:37
Speaker 4: We don't expect that. But for us, it's not political
26:41
Speaker 4: and as you said, our premier here in South Australia
26:44
Speaker 4: is also labor. It's not about the politics of it.
26:46
Speaker 4: It's just about the practicalities of it and what is working,
26:49
Speaker 4: the actual real world impacts. We're prepared to call that
26:52
Speaker 4: out when it's not working.
26:55
Speaker 2: We've got on your John, as I said, all the
26:56
Speaker 2: best with the move all right now to a protracted
27:00
Speaker 2: vironmental review into the endangered scapefish in Macquarie Harbor. It's
27:03
Speaker 2: fast becoming a major flashpoint at the next federal election,
27:07
Speaker 2: with disquiet within labor ranks. The time you're pleversek is
27:10
Speaker 2: risking Labour's chances in up to three Tasmanian seats. Today
27:15
Speaker 2: has been reported the Prime Minister and senior cabinet ministers
27:18
Speaker 2: are now directly involved in trying to neutralize this issue
27:22
Speaker 2: before next year. The problem is, while this all plays
27:26
Speaker 2: out in Canberra, the community is to rely on the
27:29
Speaker 2: salmon industry for jobs and their economic livelihood, or they're
27:33
Speaker 2: left in limbo. Joining me now someone from one of
27:37
Speaker 2: those communities, the mayor of Devonport, Allison Jarman. Alison, thank
27:41
Speaker 2: you for your time this decision. It's been labored over
27:45
Speaker 2: for a couple of years. There's been inquiries and a
27:48
Speaker 2: lot of speculation. It's now been put off until after
27:52
Speaker 2: the election. That says to me, the government's concerned this
27:55
Speaker 2: political blowback on the ground, But where does this leave
28:00
Speaker 2: your community?
28:02
Speaker 13: Well, in literal terms, it leads us high and drive.
28:06
Speaker 13: What we need is to find a minister that's willing
28:10
Speaker 13: to actually step up to the mark and make the
28:13
Speaker 13: decision that she needs to make. Now we've got families
28:18
Speaker 13: that can't even decide whether they want to buy a house.
28:21
Speaker 13: Their lives are in limbo because this decision has been
28:24
Speaker 13: pushed out to October twenty twenty five, which is just ridiculous.
28:31
Speaker 2: Don't voters deserve to know what's going to happen in
28:33
Speaker 2: this huge industry in your local area before they vote.
28:38
Speaker 13: Absolutely, and that's why we want Libsek to make her
28:42
Speaker 13: decision now. Across all levels, whether it's Tasmanian Labor, whether
28:48
Speaker 13: it's Tasmanian Liberal, whether it's the Liberals in the federal level,
28:53
Speaker 13: and as well as I know, the Prime Minister has
28:55
Speaker 13: actually spoken to us when we were in Canberra. They're
28:58
Speaker 13: all wanting a decision to be made. However, this decision
29:02
Speaker 13: has been pushed out and we're not happy about it.
29:06
Speaker 2: You just mentioned when you're in camera. I know you
29:08
Speaker 2: were there on a delegation. Did you get much feedback
29:11
Speaker 2: from the minister. Did you meet with the minister directly?
29:14
Speaker 13: We didn't get to meet with Tania Plitbisk at all.
29:17
Speaker 13: We had everybody else they were quite happy to speak
29:20
Speaker 13: to us. People were actually very welcoming and very encouraging
29:25
Speaker 13: from all levels of government. It was a very popartisan However,
29:28
Speaker 13: we weren't allowed to meet with Minister Plisk at all,
29:31
Speaker 13: and I will.
29:32
Speaker 14: Add, well why not, why not?
29:35
Speaker 3: Allison?
29:36
Speaker 14: There was a brick ball, and we don't appreciate that
29:39
Speaker 14: at all.
29:39
Speaker 13: That was the person that we really needed to speak
29:41
Speaker 13: to directly, and we would have really appreciated just half
29:46
Speaker 13: an hour would have made a huge difference to those
29:50
Speaker 13: people that were there, representing families and all those that
29:54
Speaker 13: are affected. You know, in the area of Devenport, we
29:58
Speaker 13: lost nine hundred jobs in the last ten year is
30:01
Speaker 13: from a carpet factory, a tower factory, and a pulp mill.
30:04
Speaker 13: And if we have this industry stalled and in the
30:09
Speaker 13: end closed down, we will lose at least four hundred
30:12
Speaker 13: jobs in the area.
30:14
Speaker 14: There are one hundred and eighty jobs down in that
30:16
Speaker 14: area working on.
30:17
Speaker 13: The salmon farms. And we are only small areas. There's
30:20
Speaker 13: twenty six thousand people in Devenport, so it would be
30:24
Speaker 13: a huge avalanche of effect across all industries including logistics, transport, production, farming, feed,
30:33
Speaker 13: you name it.
30:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course when Tassel and all these other
30:40
Speaker 2: big salmon farmers we all know from the supermarket shelves
30:43
Speaker 2: leaves your area, they likely to shut up shop. You know,
30:49
Speaker 2: it's not known where they're going to go and have
30:51
Speaker 2: such favorable ecological sort of conditions to farm these fish.
30:56
Speaker 2: And what we're left importing salmon out of Norway House
30:59
Speaker 2: that sustain.
31:00
Speaker 13: Exactly, it's not at all. And we are known for
31:04
Speaker 13: our salmon, That's what Tassy is all about. We're proud
31:07
Speaker 13: to produce this industry and have it in our restaurants
31:11
Speaker 13: and out to the world and we have been renowned
31:15
Speaker 13: across internationally for the product. However, now for you know,
31:20
Speaker 13: the Morghan skate was called the Port Daily State skate
31:24
Speaker 13: to start with. It actually came out of that area
31:27
Speaker 13: to come into Mcruarie Harbor. The salmon farms have been
31:30
Speaker 13: there for years and years and have actually helped with
31:34
Speaker 13: the Morgan State by putting more oxygen into the area.
31:38
Speaker 14: The science hasn't been correct. Before we got to.
31:41
Speaker 13: Canberra, they had looked at ten meters below the water
31:44
Speaker 13: level at how many skates were in the area.
31:47
Speaker 14: Well, the Macquarie Harbor is thirty five meters deep.
31:50
Speaker 13: But since then there has been better science, better data
31:53
Speaker 13: that's been collected because of us putting our hand up
31:57
Speaker 13: and saying it's not good enough and we need tenure
32:00
Speaker 13: to look at all this new data and to make
32:03
Speaker 13: a very sensible decision to help this industry and to
32:08
Speaker 13: make Tazzy the world renowned salmon industry that we're known for.
32:17
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what you know.
32:18
Speaker 2: You are an elected mayor in a must win area
32:22
Speaker 2: in Tasmania for both sides of politics. I am gobsmacked
32:27
Speaker 2: that the minister can't find time when you go all
32:29
Speaker 2: the way from Tazzy to Canberra to meet with you.
32:32
Speaker 3: Gobsmacked.
32:34
Speaker 14: I agree. It was a slap in the face.
32:37
Speaker 13: As I said, we met with the Prime Minister at
32:39
Speaker 13: the time, we met with Dunton. We met with all
32:43
Speaker 13: levels of government. They were amazing on both sides of
32:46
Speaker 13: the coin. We met with Independence, we met with Tammy Tyrrell.
32:49
Speaker 13: We met with all the people that we needed to
32:51
Speaker 13: speak to, but the one person we needed to speak to,
32:55
Speaker 13: with Minister Plivask, extraordinary.
32:59
Speaker 2: Well, I hope you a decision if nothing else, and
33:01
Speaker 2: voters have their eyes wide open when they go to
33:03
Speaker 2: the polls. Thank you Allison, Allison Jarman. They're the mayor
33:06
Speaker 2: of devonport or at after the break. The number of
33:08
Speaker 2: Australians on hardship plans jumps as power bills go up
33:13
Speaker 2: due to the labor obsession. With that zero plus the
33:15
Speaker 2: shocking buys at the ABC when it comes to environmental reporting,
33:24
Speaker 2: welk the back still to come. Donald Trump stern warning
33:26
Speaker 2: for hamas and what it'll mean for the ongoing war
33:29
Speaker 2: in guards. He says, get those hostages out before I.
33:33
Speaker 3: Am sworn in.
33:35
Speaker 2: He is not mucking around. It'll be interesting the first
33:37
Speaker 2: of all confirmation today about the human impact of energy policy,
33:41
Speaker 2: with more than one hundred and thirty thousand households forced
33:44
Speaker 2: to go on hardship plans just to keep the lights on.
33:47
Speaker 2: And it's no surprise given gas and electricity have risen
33:50
Speaker 2: by nearly two hundred percent over twenty year period.
33:55
Speaker 3: Joining me now to try and.
33:56
Speaker 2: Make sense of why and energy rich nation as we
33:59
Speaker 2: are is inflicting this sort of pain on ourselves. Sky
34:03
Speaker 2: contributor Chris Yelman, Well, Chris, hard not to be surprised.
34:08
Speaker 2: Hard to be surprised, I should say, by these statistics
34:12
Speaker 2: out today. But when you get that sort of number,
34:14
Speaker 2: when you get over one hundred thousand people on support payments,
34:17
Speaker 2: basically you've got to feel the worm is turning when
34:21
Speaker 2: it comes to ordinary people understanding now the human impact
34:26
Speaker 2: of these energy policies.
34:29
Speaker 9: Yes, Peter, because everyone, all ordinary people can see the
34:32
Speaker 9: truth now written large in their electricity bills and they
34:35
Speaker 9: can measure the distance between that and the words that
34:38
Speaker 9: come out of the Climate Change and Energy Minister's mouth. Now,
34:41
Speaker 9: last week on Sky Chris Bowen said it had been
34:44
Speaker 9: the biggest fall ever and ever at electricity prices. It
34:47
Speaker 9: was measured by the Australian Bureau of Statistics in the
34:50
Speaker 9: Consumer Price Index. You though that sounds a bit odd,
34:52
Speaker 9: So we're going to have a look. And you go
34:53
Speaker 9: and have a look and you find that what's happened
34:56
Speaker 9: is that it's one hundred and eighty degrees in what
34:57
Speaker 9: the minister was saying, because power price said only fallen
35:01
Speaker 9: because of massive state and federal government subsidies, and if
35:04
Speaker 9: you took those away, it actually risen again by point
35:07
Speaker 9: seven percent. Now, Chris Bowen may take people for mugs,
35:11
Speaker 9: but I don't believe that they are. And if he
35:14
Speaker 9: keeps gas lighting people like this, he's just digging in
35:16
Speaker 9: an enormous hole for himself and the Labor Party come
35:19
Speaker 9: the next election.
35:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a long time journalist. Doesn't that make you
35:25
Speaker 2: angry that he just gets away with these glib lines.
35:29
Speaker 2: I mean today he was talking about rooftop solar, you know,
35:32
Speaker 2: touting it from the sort of rooftop.
35:35
Speaker 3: But the regulator says there's.
35:37
Speaker 2: A real problem now, too much solar risks pushing the
35:41
Speaker 2: grid to breaking point.
35:42
Speaker 3: They might take away these feed in tariffs.
35:45
Speaker 2: I mean, this is what gets people angry that you're
35:47
Speaker 2: getting such mixed messages, particularly for them politicians that are
35:51
Speaker 2: a long way from the facts.
35:54
Speaker 6: Yeah, Beeter.
35:55
Speaker 9: Over the course of the last year, when I was
35:56
Speaker 9: investigating the documentary for Sky, The Real Cost of Net Zero,
36:01
Speaker 9: I've gone from being agitated to being furious about what's
36:04
Speaker 9: going on because it's more and more obvious to me
36:07
Speaker 9: that the energy ministers that are running this and it's
36:10
Speaker 9: all a political exercise. By the way, that the Integrated
36:12
Speaker 9: System Plan is response to the politics to get to
36:15
Speaker 9: eighty two percent renewable energy by twenty thirty. Now that's
36:19
Speaker 9: a political target, that's not a target that's been put
36:22
Speaker 9: in place by electricians or physicists or scientists. It's entirely
36:25
Speaker 9: a political target. When you're talking about rooftop solar. They're
36:29
Speaker 9: going to need in future a lot of what they
36:31
Speaker 9: call ceer customer energy resources, which is your rooftop solar,
36:35
Speaker 9: but you also need to have batteries. What they don't
36:37
Speaker 9: need in the middle of the day is this massive
36:39
Speaker 9: lump of electricity which comes through and they call it
36:41
Speaker 9: the Duck curve. In fact, in California they now caught
36:43
Speaker 9: the Canyon curve. It's so large it floods the zone.
36:46
Speaker 9: It drives those that need to be in the system
36:49
Speaker 9: later in the day essentially out of business and out
36:51
Speaker 9: of the marketplace. So guess what. Retailers aren't going to
36:54
Speaker 9: want that big lump of power from you, and those
36:56
Speaker 9: subsidies that you used to get, they're not going to
36:58
Speaker 9: be subsidies anymore. Unless you get batteries and spend all
37:01
Speaker 9: that money to mop that up. Then eventually you will
37:04
Speaker 9: be charged for putting that electricity ond the grid.
37:07
Speaker 6: So what do you think is going to happen then?
37:09
Speaker 9: To the targets that they've written into their plan for
37:12
Speaker 9: more people putting on a rooftop solo. I don't think
37:14
Speaker 9: there'll be a lot of excitement for it in future.
37:16
Speaker 9: So all of these plans are simply things that are
37:19
Speaker 9: written in some kind of analysts diagram. They don't match
37:23
Speaker 9: up with anything that's happening in the real world, and
37:25
Speaker 9: nothing in this system adds up.
37:29
Speaker 2: And the short termism of politics nowadays means that these
37:33
Speaker 2: ministers turnover faster than ever, the government's turnover faster than ever.
37:38
Speaker 2: Chris Bowen will be off working for a UN climate
37:42
Speaker 2: body when all of this proverbial hits the fan.
37:47
Speaker 9: Yes, and that's why people should not be letting them
37:49
Speaker 9: get away with it now, and that people need to
37:51
Speaker 9: become themselves a little bit more Energy literate journalists need
37:55
Speaker 9: to understand how this system is working, and they also
37:58
Speaker 9: need to be asking questions about what's going wrong with it.
38:01
Speaker 9: But unfortunately, too often too many have just bought the
38:05
Speaker 9: spin that renewables essentially can run. Agreed, they cannot wind
38:09
Speaker 9: and solar on their own will.
38:11
Speaker 6: Never form an electricity system.
38:13
Speaker 9: They'll always have to be supported by something at the
38:15
Speaker 9: moment that's cold. In future, it.
38:17
Speaker 3: Will be part Can I just jump.
38:19
Speaker 6: In there batteries?
38:23
Speaker 2: I think the problem is I cut my teeth on
38:26
Speaker 2: policy before I really got into the politics, and I
38:29
Speaker 2: think the policy problem here is this is a system
38:33
Speaker 2: that's incredibly complex, but it's actually without all the emotion.
38:38
Speaker 2: It just comes down to engineering and physics reality. Most
38:42
Speaker 2: journalists gloss over the detailed they're trying to file their
38:45
Speaker 2: copy for deadline. They are, like I guess most ordinary
38:49
Speaker 2: Australians reading through these reports.
38:51
Speaker 3: They're deliberately dense.
38:52
Speaker 2: You have to go into the footnotes and then at
38:54
Speaker 2: the back to the end notes. You have to do
38:56
Speaker 2: your homework, and it's just not being done. So they
38:59
Speaker 2: just regart urgitate the press release and governments of both
39:02
Speaker 2: sides get away with it.
39:05
Speaker 3: Are you all the exception?
39:06
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, and look, oh look, And I think you know,
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Speaker 9: I think there are a lot of people now who
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Speaker 9: are trying to work a lot harder on that. But
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Speaker 9: I've got to say that there are a great number
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Speaker 9: of journalists in the industry who simply have bought the
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Speaker 9: idea that the system can run on wind and solar.
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Speaker 9: It can't, and particularly in a country like Australia. So
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Speaker 9: go and find an example of somewhere in the world
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Speaker 9: that's got a footprint like Australia a lot, not somewhere
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Speaker 9: with heaps and heaps of hydro power some Scandinavian country
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Speaker 9: that doesn't look anything like us. Go and find a
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Speaker 9: similar system anywhere in the world that's looking to hit
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Speaker 9: the same kind of target with the kind of energy
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Speaker 9: mix that we've got, and you'll find it doesn't exist.
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Speaker 9: And anyone who's trying to do this has got one
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Speaker 9: hundred percent back up. And anyone who's tried it like Germany,
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Speaker 9: can't do it without gas.
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Speaker 6: And once the Russian.
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Speaker 9: Gas was cut off, guess what, the entire Ponzi scheme
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Speaker 9: was exposed. So in the end, the system that's being
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Speaker 9: built will need fifteen giga What's that's enough power for
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Speaker 9: fifteen million homes all the way through to twenty twenty
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Speaker 9: five and beyond, because in the end, the system operator
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Speaker 9: has to have something it can depend on to keep
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Speaker 9: the lights on.
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Speaker 2: Just a quick one Environmental Defender's office. A federal court
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Speaker 2: judgment says they've got to pay Santos a whole lot
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Speaker 2: of money for legal costs because they tried to shut
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Speaker 2: down and failed a gas project in Australia's North Well.
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Speaker 3: Today we learn the edo.
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Speaker 2: Is taking and millions and millions of dollars of donations
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Speaker 2: from big companies like Patagonia at a foundation launched by
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Speaker 2: the widow with Apple founder Steve Jobs. They also get
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Speaker 2: a lot of taxpayers money as well. But how is
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Speaker 2: this not foreign interference given our energy projects are essential
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Speaker 2: to our national security.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, and it's part of a project in the end
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Speaker 9: to cut off our natural resources, the things that we
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Speaker 9: make all about export income from. And I found that
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Speaker 9: story fascinating today and I hope to be alive one
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Speaker 9: day when all of the information comes out from where
40:56
Speaker 9: all of the money is coming up from a very
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Speaker 9: cashed up wind and solar lobby group in Australia. I'll
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Speaker 9: take you back to twenty fifteen, though this goes all
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Speaker 9: the way to the top of the Democratic Party with
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Speaker 9: John Potesta was Hillary crit Clinton's chief of staff. He
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Speaker 9: was getting messages about what was happening in the Sunrise
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Speaker 9: prodict in Australia as they were trying to shut down
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Speaker 9: Adhi Adani, the Adani min at that stage. You'll remember
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Speaker 9: that he was copied in on those emails. They were
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Speaker 9: released by wiki leaks. So where all of the threads
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Speaker 9: lead is a very interesting thing. Indeed, and up till
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Speaker 9: this year he is still lecturing Australia about.
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Speaker 6: How it should conduct its affairs.
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Speaker 9: And I'll point out the fact that in the Biden administration,
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Speaker 9: no matter what it says, has grown over the last
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Speaker 9: ten years, to become a bigger producer of oil and
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Speaker 9: Saudi Arabia and a bigger producer of natural gas than Katar.
41:46
Speaker 9: So I think that we should watch what other countries do,
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Speaker 9: not listen to what they say.
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Speaker 2: Let's follow the money trial with some of our former politicians'
41:55
Speaker 2: former prime ministers as well. When you get to that one,
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Speaker 2: Chris Yilman, that will be interesting in itself. All right,
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Speaker 2: thanks for your time, Well see you next week after break.
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's harsh warning for Hamas hell to pay, he says,
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Speaker 2: will be hit harder than anyone in the history of
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Speaker 2: the United States. Last the situation in Syria escalating Iran
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Speaker 2: back to fighters we're told are now involved, welcome make
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump issued at stern warning I've mentioned to Harmas
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Speaker 2: on truth Social threatening that they'll be hell to pay
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Speaker 2: if remaining hostages aren't released. Before he returns to the
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Speaker 2: White House on the twenty fifth January, of course that's
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Speaker 2: the inauguration. He says that those responsible will be hit
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Speaker 2: harder than anyone's been hit in the long and storied
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Speaker 2: history of the United States of America.
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Speaker 3: It comes as her Mask claims.
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Speaker 2: That thirty three of those hostages have been killed during the.
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Speaker 3: Gars of war.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss this in more Sky News
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Speaker 2: contributed Kosher Gada, past Chair of the parliament Foreign Affairs
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Speaker 2: and Defense Committee, Michael Danby, Well, welcome to you both.
42:56
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I love to see a strong leader.
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Speaker 2: How do you think her mus is going to respond
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Speaker 2: to that threat?
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Speaker 7: Oh?
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Speaker 15: Well, her must has led from Qatar to Turkey. Her
43:08
Speaker 15: Musk leaders are in mister Duan, the President of Turkey's hands.
43:12
Speaker 15: Mister Duan is positioning himself to be close to Donald Trump. Now,
43:20
Speaker 15: Donald Trump may demand of Duwan that he squeezed the
43:24
Speaker 15: harmask leaders very hard. It's difficult to believe that American
43:28
Speaker 15: special forces could do on the ground something that hasn't
43:31
Speaker 15: already been thought of by the Israeli special forces. But
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Speaker 15: I do hope that this change is the fate of
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Speaker 15: those four hundred people, most of whom are dead in
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Speaker 15: those dreadful tunnels. Airless tunnels tortured by these depraved a
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Speaker 15: musk skillers.
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Speaker 3: And I was horrific. It is horrific. You stop and
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Speaker 3: think every night about that.
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Speaker 2: Hey, let's go to the fact that, you know, have
43:54
Speaker 2: you ever seen a more lame duck president in Joe Biden.
43:57
Speaker 2: We'll get to the hunt of Biden stuff in a moment,
43:59
Speaker 2: But I mean, all we're talking about is what Donald
44:01
Speaker 2: Trump is twenty Who Donald Trump's cavit nominees are.
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Speaker 11: What do you make of the latest picks? Kosher, Yes,
44:08
Speaker 11: Mara Lago is the place to be. It's almost more
44:10
Speaker 11: powerful than the White House right now. News is coming
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Speaker 11: out thick and fast. I think, look at his entire cabinet.
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Speaker 11: Picks are done, and now we're just waiting on the
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Speaker 11: Senate confirmation process.
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Speaker 3: There's the controversial.
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Speaker 11: Four still and those are the only ones where there
44:23
Speaker 11: might be some questions. Julcie Gabbert, RFK, Junior Pete Hegseth
44:27
Speaker 11: and Cash Hotel, who just came out a couple of
44:29
Speaker 11: days ago for FBI. They're all reformers. They break the mold.
44:33
Speaker 11: Some of them have baggage on the personal front. So
44:35
Speaker 11: if any one of those were to withdraw. I wouldn't
44:38
Speaker 11: be surprised, but it looks like right now, just the
44:40
Speaker 11: power of the momentum, everything is with Trump and if
44:42
Speaker 11: they get through, get ready for a very different type
44:45
Speaker 11: of cabinet than what we've seen.
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Speaker 3: Michael.
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Speaker 2: I don't care, Michael, how the father wants to justify
44:51
Speaker 2: the father's also the president and pardoning his son for
44:56
Speaker 2: federal convictions.
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Speaker 3: I just it's a terrible look for you States.
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Speaker 15: It is a terrible look. But wasn't it expected? But
45:04
Speaker 15: didn't you think that that's why Joe Biden was hanging
45:06
Speaker 15: around right to the last minute. It's unprecedented, though, to
45:10
Speaker 15: give Kashet to your son all the way back to
45:14
Speaker 15: twenty fourteen for DC committed or may have committed. So
45:20
Speaker 15: it's a terrible look. And in a sense, he's pardoning himself,
45:23
Speaker 15: Joe Biden, because all of us were done in conjunction
45:28
Speaker 15: with him, including all of the crooked receipts of twenty
45:31
Speaker 15: million dollars to entities untraceable until recently. And it's a
45:37
Speaker 15: terrible look. And I think history will judge Joe Biden
45:41
Speaker 15: is one of the worst ever United States presidents ever,
45:44
Speaker 15: And this is this being fitting cap to that.
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Speaker 2: I think it's stacks of corruption all the way through
45:51
Speaker 2: to the Oval office. Let's go to Syria the government.
45:53
Speaker 2: There's lard Dare strikes on a Leppo after the city
45:55
Speaker 2: was seized by rebels. There's also those reports that are
45:58
Speaker 2: run backed iraqis event in Syria to provide assistance to
46:03
Speaker 2: Basha al Assad. That's the president Kosher. The last thing
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Speaker 2: we need is another fire storm in this region. How's
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Speaker 2: it going to play out?
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Speaker 11: Indeed, I think the unpredictability of expanding war zones is
46:14
Speaker 11: what we're seeing, whether it's cross border, it's internally right
46:18
Speaker 11: out of the gate. It's obviously very sad because something
46:20
Speaker 11: like seven million people have fled to the region. Half
46:22
Speaker 11: a million people have died. With this internal strafe that's
46:25
Speaker 11: been going on between the rebels and Assad, and it
46:28
Speaker 11: enterns across border. It's also showing that as Russia and
46:30
Speaker 11: Iran and Iraq and all these places are stretched and
46:33
Speaker 11: their focus is elsewhere, there was an opportunity for the
46:36
Speaker 11: rebel forces to come in, and I think just more
46:38
Speaker 11: of a mass to come until Trump comes in, and
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Speaker 11: even beyond that, because he certainly doesn't have a magic
46:42
Speaker 11: Wand now.
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Speaker 2: This is an international panel, Michael, but this one's got
46:46
Speaker 2: a bit of a player in Australia. At the convener
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Speaker 2: of the Muslim Vote political movement in Australia, this is
46:52
Speaker 2: the one that's targeting labor seats to the next election,
46:55
Speaker 2: but part of a global movement. He has said he
46:58
Speaker 2: doesn't care if Peter Darton is the beneficiary of their activity.
47:03
Speaker 2: If they throw out these labor cabinet ministers in Western Sydney.
47:06
Speaker 2: He says they've been taken for granted by labor for
47:09
Speaker 2: far too long, and that if the Liberals were inadvertently
47:12
Speaker 2: returned to power, it would demonstrate the impact of their movement.
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Speaker 3: What do you make of this?
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Speaker 15: Well, in a sense he's right, and they live these
47:22
Speaker 15: fringe groups by the doctrine, the worse the better. And
47:27
Speaker 15: I think the Muslim voter in Western Sydney is overplayed.
47:31
Speaker 15: I still think Burke, Bowen, Clear and Husic will all
47:35
Speaker 15: get back. But I think that Peter Dutton has other
47:40
Speaker 15: shorer roads to victory. If he's relying on the Muslim
47:44
Speaker 15: vote in Western Sydney, he's going to be surely tested.
47:48
Speaker 15: I think the Green Political Party's demise, the possible demise
47:54
Speaker 15: of even the Teals because of inflation and energy blackouts.
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Speaker 15: I mean, if there are blackouts in New South Wales,
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Speaker 15: a Victoria player that's bigger than the Muslim vote.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that, but I think that this
48:08
Speaker 2: is a multi election strategy. That's exactly what happened in
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Speaker 2: the UK, wasn't it kosher?
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Speaker 3: Yes?
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Speaker 11: In the UK and in the US. I think Michigan
48:16
Speaker 11: is something that's going to be studied for a long
48:19
Speaker 11: time to come. And it's just I think when there's
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Speaker 11: a coalition of the fringes, which is what the left
48:22
Speaker 11: side of politics has really leaned in on, you'll see
48:25
Speaker 11: that those fringes freeing, and I think that's what's happening
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Speaker 11: here spot On.
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Speaker 3: We'll leave it there. We'll catch up with you both
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Speaker 3: next week. We're going to talk about neo Nazis next
48:31
Speaker 3: week as well. All Right, that's it for me. Up
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Speaker 3: next to Andrew Boltcy tomorrow