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Pete and Tony Share Jaguars Future Thoughts | Jaguars Happy Hour · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: And you know those teams. You can see the difference,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the teams.
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  Speaker 2: When I mean for a long time you're Alma Mater
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  Speaker 2: walked on the field and it was like Bama's here
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  Speaker 2: for a decade. Yeah, Bama's here. At least, let's go.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I remember in the Pete Carroll years at
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  Speaker 2: SC it was like, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So we've seen that in our college absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: You know when I was here, not that we won
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  Speaker 2: a Super Bowl, but there was like in ninety nine
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  Speaker 2: we expected to go out there and like, this is
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  Speaker 2: who we are, and there were several times we were
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  Speaker 2: we had good football teams and that's where this team
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  Speaker 2: should be and how they should view it. Don't get
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  Speaker 2: when it's done right, Like I said, it doesn't mean
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  Speaker 2: you're complacent or you look ahead and or like we
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  Speaker 2: got this in the bag. Just the opposite. It actually
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  Speaker 2: makes you want to invest in the process even more
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  Speaker 2: because you understand to be who you know you are
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  Speaker 2: and you were supposed to be, it takes preparation and
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  Speaker 2: everything that goes into it. So they're just coming to
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  Speaker 2: some of the things I was thinking about this weekend
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  Speaker 2: watching football, be at the game last night, and uh,
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  Speaker 2: I'm excited. I'm excited about about the second half of
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  Speaker 2: the season and going down the stretch.
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  Speaker 1: Pete Prisco, CBS Sports senior writer with us. Now we've
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  Speaker 1: had some early tech things, but we're past that now, Pete,
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  Speaker 1: and welcome in on this Monday after the bye. I know,
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  Speaker 1: unlike Tony and I, you had to work all week
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  Speaker 1: in long. How are I worked?
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  Speaker 3: Well? You know what the highlight of my weekend was, though,
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  Speaker 3: JP watching the USC quarterback cry.
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  Speaker 1: The USC quarterback crying was the highlight of your weekend
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  Speaker 1: at all?
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  Speaker 3: What is that? What was that? Bisselli? Your quarterback cried,
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  Speaker 3: his mom held him and he cried like a baby.
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  Speaker 2: Pete, He's an emotional man. That's okay. That's a sign
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  Speaker 2: of strength in today's world.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, look, I can get emotional too.
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  Speaker 3: And you get.
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  Speaker 2: An emotional when the refrigerator is don't have a food
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  Speaker 2: in it.
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  Speaker 3: What are you trying to say? I can't even eat
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  Speaker 3: barely anymore? What are you talking about? That old me? Maybe,
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  Speaker 3: but you know what, the old you too, So I
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  Speaker 3: don't know what you're talking about. But seriously, I was
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  Speaker 3: watching that game it was and you were at the
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  Speaker 3: game weren't you. Yeah, I was there. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: It was fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: No, it was terrible. It was a terrible football game.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's somebody to watch that. It was fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley has turned us into Texas Tech. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we're Texas Tech. How oh spread it around, go out
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  Speaker 2: to the shotgun, throw laterals, have the quarterback like go
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  Speaker 2: watch and I love Lincoln Riley. I mean, I'm just
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  Speaker 2: a frustrated alumnus right now. But go watch our offense
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  Speaker 2: without Caleb Williams running around and breaking tackles and throwing
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  Speaker 2: it fifty yards off his back foot.
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  Speaker 1: Wide receiver's gone this year.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean they don't play any defense.
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  Speaker 2: They played no defense.
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  Speaker 1: The defensive coordinator dude, they fired that.
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  Speaker 3: Well you know what, Washington didn't play any defense either.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it was it was, it was amazing. But
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  Speaker 3: but Pete agree, it's an amazic talent Caleb Williams. He
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  Speaker 3: really is. But I don't know when you go into
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  Speaker 3: the crowd and start crying on with your on your
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  Speaker 3: mommy after the game, that's a little much for me.
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  Speaker 2: But Pete, whindn't you agree? Watching USC and that you
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  Speaker 2: can tell it's a bye week in the NFL. Because
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about USC that's right here that nothing is
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  Speaker 2: on schedule with their offense. It's all like, give the
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  Speaker 2: ball to Caleb Williams and hope that he goes and
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  Speaker 2: and oh, I think it is. I think he's gotten
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  Speaker 2: into that because it's worked and he can get away
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  Speaker 2: with it. That's my that's my whole problem. You can't
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  Speaker 2: allow that. But we're not very talented. Oh he's super
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  Speaker 2: talented and he's a great dude. I actually I spent
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  Speaker 2: a weekend this offseason with him. I really like him.
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  Speaker 2: I don't get the whole you know that he's emotional.
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  Speaker 2: I've cried after football games in all seriousness, especially in college.
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  Speaker 2: I remember we lost U c l A one time
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  Speaker 2: and I was devastated. There's no crying, Okay, I know
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  Speaker 2: because you've played. I know in high school when you're
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  Speaker 2: on JV that you didn't that you didn't cry. I'm
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  Speaker 2: just telling you, I'm not going to kill the kid
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  Speaker 2: for crying because he cares. And I have cried after
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  Speaker 2: a football game before.
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  Speaker 3: Were you wailing when you cried or were you just
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  Speaker 3: like a little tear come in your eye?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, but there were tears coming down, So
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  Speaker 2: it's crying. And did you see him wailing everything? I
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  Speaker 2: saw he was hiding his face.
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  Speaker 3: He's going like this. You're like he was having a
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  Speaker 3: hard time, like a kid crying. Maybe I have a
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  Speaker 3: hard ass and a bad soul, but I just.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we know that, Like we've all argued, well.
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  Speaker 3: Game like that. And by the way, he's lost games before,
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  Speaker 3: he hasn't. They were out of the National Championship picture,
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  Speaker 3: he wasn't winning the Eisman. What was he crying for?
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  Speaker 1: What's there because of all that? Probably because he cares.
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  Speaker 3: The last game he cared. Yeah, well, I mean, look,
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  Speaker 3: you can care and not cry.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you can you also can cry.
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  Speaker 3: You also from Washington whose dad died last week.
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  Speaker 2: You also, okay, I agree with you, but you also
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  Speaker 2: can cry because something's that important to you and.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't make you soft or weak or anything else.
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  Speaker 2: Pete, I didn't say it, Yeah you did. That's exactly
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  Speaker 2: what you were insinuating. Yeah, okay, JP, No, I'm being
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  Speaker 2: serious now, I'm not asking like to choose who's right
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  Speaker 2: or wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but when you heard what.
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  Speaker 2: Pete said, was he not insinuating that Caleb Williams is
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  Speaker 2: soft and I don't know about him because he's crying
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  Speaker 2: as he quote unquote said on his mommy's lap.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I took it that way, thank you. I must say. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's all I'm asking. I'm not saying right along.
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  Speaker 3: Now, I'm going to ask JP the other side of it, JP,
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  Speaker 3: what did you think of it?
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  Speaker 1: I thought, what is he twenty years old? Yeah, yes,
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  Speaker 1: twenty years old. He's not even he's not even legal, right,
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  Speaker 1: He's a kid. He's twenty years old. And sometimes uh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if your mom's there, you're going through some things and
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  Speaker 1: it's not going like you want it. When you're twenty
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  Speaker 1: years old, you go hang out with mom.
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  Speaker 2: I don't see that happens. I don't think that's a
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  Speaker 2: big thing.
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  Speaker 3: So obviously I'm not the only one who said anything
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  Speaker 3: about it, because you've heard this already.
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  Speaker 1: No, I saw I saw stuff online.
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  Speaker 2: I saw online people that I won't call names, but people.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to be got a lumped
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  Speaker 2: in with that crab Pete, then run hard with that dank.
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  Speaker 1: I think Pete leads that crowd. Sometimes he's after it.
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  Speaker 3: No, I just I just me personally, Okay, you do
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  Speaker 3: what you want to do. I don't care, but I'm
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  Speaker 3: I'm allowed to criticize it. I don't care what you do.
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  Speaker 1: What are you criticizing? I want to understand what.
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  Speaker 3: Good much for crying after a football game. Okay, it
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  Speaker 3: wasn't your last game. It wasn't you got hurt and
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  Speaker 3: you're not playing anymore. It wasn't any of that. I
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  Speaker 3: would get that. I would understand that.
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  Speaker 2: So you don't get when something's really important to somebody,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't go the way you want it to, and
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  Speaker 2: you are so disappointed because of everything you've put in it,
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  Speaker 2: not just that week, but your entire life, the whole offseason,
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  Speaker 2: it's and everything else, and it goes sideways and it's
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  Speaker 2: a bad year. And that was just like the nail
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  Speaker 2: and the coffin, just another reminder that you have fallen
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  Speaker 2: short as a team, as an individual, and everything else.
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  Speaker 2: You don't think it's okay to be emotional.
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  Speaker 3: You can be emotional, but I don't think you need You.
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  Speaker 2: Don't think you're stracked.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, then I do. Maybe you're tougher than everybody, Pete,
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  Speaker 1: tougher than everybody.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm not tougher than what is it?
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  Speaker 1: What are you trying to say, Pete.
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  Speaker 2: Because here's the thing, Pete, in all seriousness, I have
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  Speaker 2: been in that situation, not as a quarterback, as an
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  Speaker 2: offensive lineman. Huge game and you put everything into it,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't work out, and you you know what part
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  Speaker 2: of the tiers are because you feel responsible that you
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  Speaker 2: could have done more.
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  Speaker 1: And I've cried.
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  Speaker 3: Did you cry in any NFL games?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 2: I do not believe I did you.
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  Speaker 3: Got Kallas as you got all?
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  Speaker 2: No, Maybe I mean I wouldn't. By the way I've
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  Speaker 2: seen guys craft in a game. I'm okay with that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I don't think anything. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: anything less of them. You know what, I probably did
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  Speaker 2: cry after I blew my ACL. I missed the playoffs,
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  Speaker 2: and that's different.
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  Speaker 3: You could do that you got hurt, But.
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  Speaker 1: If you lose a game, that's like, what's the I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Eliminated from playoffs? They weren't going to the playoffs. It
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  Speaker 3: wasn't like a game that eliminated from playoff coffee.
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  Speaker 2: It was on national television against one of their rivals
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  Speaker 2: on homes on homecoming weekend, but it wasn't enough have
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  Speaker 2: you met Williams, I have, no, I've spent a weekend
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  Speaker 2: with him. I think he's a great dude. I think
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  Speaker 2: he's a heck of a talent. I think I think
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  Speaker 2: everything I've heard about the guys on that team love him.
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  Speaker 2: So I think he's a good leader.
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  Speaker 3: I guarantee you, Tony, that's a red flag in the
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  Speaker 3: scouting community.
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  Speaker 1: Well great, then you know what.
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  Speaker 2: I hope a bunch of people pass on because whoever's
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  Speaker 2: gonna get him, I think he's gonna get a rock star.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Do I think he's playing as well as he did
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  Speaker 2: last year? No, I think at time things are too
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  Speaker 2: off schedule. I think he looks makes things off schedule
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  Speaker 2: that don't have to be. But he's not the first
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  Speaker 2: guy to do that.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: I just I watched Josh Allen last.
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  Speaker 2: Night and Joe Burrow, and there was a handful of
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  Speaker 2: times I watched them make things that off schedule that
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  Speaker 2: need to be off schedule.
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  Speaker 1: Either.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, I agree, but I me personally, I
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  Speaker 3: just thought it was a little much to be sitting
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  Speaker 3: there at twenty years old, crying on your mom. That's all.
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  Speaker 3: That's That's just me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure because Here's what I say, Tony.
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  Speaker 3: If the worst thing that I have I told JP
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  Speaker 3: this is if the worst thing that happened in your
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  Speaker 3: life is you lose a football game, college football game,
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  Speaker 3: You've had one hell of a damn life.
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  Speaker 1: I agree.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's end of the world, but it's
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  Speaker 2: okay to be emotional at that moment. I promise you.
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  Speaker 2: He's not still crying hiding in as an apartment.
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  Speaker 1: He had a.
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  Speaker 3: Moment that I would be mad rather than sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: You know, what have you, Pete?
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  Speaker 2: Have you never gotten so mad that you've teared up?
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  Speaker 3: I have.
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  Speaker 2: I've been so livid and so mad and so emotional
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  Speaker 2: that I've cried before.
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  Speaker 1: And this is coming from somebody whose kids.
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  Speaker 3: Make fun of me because I've never cried a good example.
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  Speaker 3: But silly you, I give you. I would have cried
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  Speaker 3: at my Hall of Fame speech. If I were you
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  Speaker 3: me personally, I would have cried at that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt mine. I cried.
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  Speaker 2: I cried every time I practiced it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah I would have. I would have balled my eyes
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  Speaker 3: out like a baby, There's no doubt about it. And
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  Speaker 3: I was going not because I was going in, but
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  Speaker 3: because of all the people that helped me get there,
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  Speaker 3: absolutely and your dad, your dad and the whole deal,
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  Speaker 3: and my mother's no longer with me. The same thing
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  Speaker 3: I would have I would have cried like a baby.
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  Speaker 2: And when I.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, and you handled it. You were I know you,
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  Speaker 3: I know you were emotional, but you didn't cry. But
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  Speaker 3: that's just it. Those moments I cry moments if I
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  Speaker 3: lost a football game. I'm not crying.
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  Speaker 1: I get that.
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  Speaker 2: But Pete, here's what you don't understand. And I'm not
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  Speaker 2: I'm literally not taking a shot at you. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: trying to be anything. So what you just described a
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  Speaker 2: moment where you'd get emotional and cry because of a
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  Speaker 2: set of events where people or relationships and everything else,
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  Speaker 2: I get it me too. However, that same feeling you
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  Speaker 2: have in those moments, I'm telling you is somebody who's
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  Speaker 2: participated and competed at the highest level. There are moments
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  Speaker 2: where you feel that same emotion because.
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  Speaker 1: It's so important to you.
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  Speaker 2: The game of football is so important. You're such a competitor.
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  Speaker 2: You want to win so bad for yourself, for your teammates,
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  Speaker 2: for the university, for your family, for everyone who cares
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  Speaker 2: about you, and you don't. It's that same feelings.
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  Speaker 3: But I like even as a kid, like when I
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  Speaker 3: was a kid and I competed, I didn't cry over
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  Speaker 3: losing everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the thing, how about you just recognize everyone's different.
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  Speaker 1: You know what we're doing. You just said it.
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  Speaker 3: Criticize it for doing it doesn't fit.
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  Speaker 1: In If would you would you?
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  Speaker 2: I guess my problem with this all we can end it.
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  Speaker 1: Because no one please to move on Jaguars.
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  Speaker 2: Jaguars this week they're not gonna win. The Jaguars are
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  Speaker 2: gonna win. I haven't locked it yet, but just wait
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  Speaker 2: where it's coming. But my whole point is just because
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  Speaker 2: you don't understand it doesn't mean it's okay to criticize it.
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  Speaker 2: Because what if someone watched you get up and start
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  Speaker 2: crying about something that was important to you and sat
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  Speaker 2: there and mocks you on Twitter and everything else and
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  Speaker 2: basically insinuate because this is what you did, that he
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  Speaker 2: was soft and it's not like what he should do
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  Speaker 2: is And it's gonna quote unquote you said, it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: hurt him in the scouting community for what because he
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  Speaker 2: cares too much.
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  Speaker 1: We criticize these kids for leaving early and not being
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  Speaker 1: dedicated to the car and not caring. And this guy
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  Speaker 1: obviously is dedicated and cares enough to be into it.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm sorry for everyone listening. Yeah, this is our
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  Speaker 2: last and I apologize. But the reason I am not
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  Speaker 2: letting this go because it actually really bothers me in
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  Speaker 2: all seriousness. That bothers me, not just because it's my warner,
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  Speaker 2: it's Kab Williams. I will take it to the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: I am so tired of people like criticizing players because
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  Speaker 2: they act emotion on the field, get a penalty, or
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  Speaker 2: do something silly. I'm not saying it's okay what they did, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but absolutely killing them.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, wait a.
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  Speaker 2: Second, these are the same guys you criticize that don't
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  Speaker 2: care enough and don't have enough emotion or just in
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  Speaker 2: it for the money, Like you don't get it both.
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  Speaker 1: Ways, So pick that I would agree with one. You
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  Speaker 1: just did exactly what those people do.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, let's go on, let's go let's move On's
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  Speaker 2: else No one cares about this except for me.
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  Speaker 1: The Jaguars were off on Sunday. Obviously you can tell
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  Speaker 1: by the last fifteen minutes of this program. But the
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars did do some business at the trade dead line.
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  Speaker 1: They run in Ezra Cleveland, guard from the Vikings, and
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  Speaker 1: Doug Peterson, the Jaguars head coach, asked about it today
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  Speaker 1: on the media zoom call.
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  Speaker 4: You know, definitely a lot of different scenarios out there.
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  Speaker 5: You look at you look at pass rushers, you know,
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  Speaker 5: maybe even defensive backs, and you look at olignment, and
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  Speaker 5: obviously Ezra uh is somebody that can come in and
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  Speaker 5: really provide the necessary you know, uh backup guard. Very capable, smart, talented,
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  Speaker 5: you know, left guard and you know he played some
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  Speaker 5: right guard his rookie year, had been been primarily left guard,
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  Speaker 5: uh since and just a good value for us and
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  Speaker 5: and really uh solidifies an offensive line that you know
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  Speaker 5: is already pretty good.
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  Speaker 4: So the plan is for him to start off as
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  Speaker 4: a backup.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well yeah, Walker Little is the left guard. There's
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  Speaker 5: no I don't want to I want to be as
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  Speaker 5: clear as I can.
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  Speaker 4: Walker is the left guard. That's been communicated to everybody,
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  Speaker 4: the left tackle. So that's that's our plan, you know,
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  Speaker 4: and that has never changed.
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  Speaker 1: So you have it from the head coach earlier today.
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  Speaker 1: Walker Little coming back off the knee issue he had
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  Speaker 1: in the Buffalo game in London. That sounds like it's
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  Speaker 1: good to go. So he is the starting left guard,
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  Speaker 1: but cleveland In. I think he's got one year left
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  Speaker 1: on his deal, Pete.
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  Speaker 3: So this is the last year of his deal.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So basically what I think this is they brought
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  Speaker 3: him in as insurance a if one of those guys
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  Speaker 3: goes down. If you know Cam went down, they can
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  Speaker 3: move a little over cleveland In or whatever, if Harrison
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  Speaker 3: went down. You want your offensive line to be solid
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  Speaker 3: when you make the stretch run. That's what this is.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: Or and and this is the end part of it.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: If Cam walks off into the sunset next year because
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: they don't want to pay him, and they move Walker
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: little left tackle, well now you have your left guard
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: because you could bring him back on a deal far
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: less than what you're paying Cam Robinson. So it gives
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: him flexibility. I like to move. I think it's a
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: good solid move. I wanted another move. I think they
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: should have made another move on the defensive side of
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: the ball. But I do like the move, Pete.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: I would add one more. I think I agree with
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: you everything he just said. I think because actually when
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: the trade was made. I was like, huh, A'm they
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: gonna make Walker little back up?
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: There's something wrong with.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: Right? That's what I thought.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: Too interesting, But hearing Doug say that clarifies it.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: I like the move.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: Whether they brought him in because of there was some
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: other issue they knew about, or they're thinking about it differently.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: I like it how Doug's talking about it. He's gonna
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: be back up. I agree with Pete on the two
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: scenarios you know, or the two main points he made
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: down the stretch. You need depth who knows what happened,
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: and you can never have And Pete and I talk
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: about this all the time. We disagree with a lot
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: on a lot of things, but we agree one hundred
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: percent of this. You can never have enough big men,
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: ever have enough big men. It just they don't grow
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: on trees, and there's not a lot of them out there.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: In this era. Now with the way those pass rushers
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: come after you, yeah.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: I mean you could just when they're they're valuable. And
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting. If you notice, I think
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Doug mentioned the three most important position groups besides quarterback.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: When you think about a trade, what do you say,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: O line, pass rusher, corner, corner, stop the quarterback. Protect
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: the quarterback, because we all know the quarterback is the
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: most important after the left tackle.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Oh of course, sorry, of course it's always left tack,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: left tackle.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: But the one thing, Pete, I'll add, does this get
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: them the flexibility because listen, they got a bunch of
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: big numbers next year, and if they want to extend
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Trevor and give him franchise quarterback money, it'll be interesting
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: what they do with some of these big salaries, what
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: they do with Calvin Ridley. I mean, these are all
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: things we've talked about, and I don't want to dive
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: in too far into them because that's good offseason stuff.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: And this is a team that is in first place,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: tied for the best record in the AFC, So there,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: let's not spend too much time. But the one thing
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: I'd add, Bete, could it be a scenario where Sheriff
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: has a huge number as well, that it gives him
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: the flexibility that if Cam does stay and finishes the
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: year at you know, he played, he's played really well
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: the last two weeks and he just continues on this
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: trend that now you have you can keep Cam walk
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: a little guard. Harrison at right tackle. And if for
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: salary cap reasons you need to do something with Sheriff,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: you can put Ezra at right guard, or put Walker
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: right guard and put him at left.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Guard or or both. You know, you're talking about clearing
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: out money because they got to you know, you could
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: get if you had to, Yes, you could get rid
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: of Robinson and Sheriff and then you would have a
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: cheaper version of a guard and you can move a
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: little left tackle. And then you draft the guard.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Well, you got Cooper Hodges who they liked in camp.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, and you've draft another one at some point
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: in the draft next year. Sure, sign a back up somewhere. Yeah,
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: I get it. Yeah, it gives them. It gives them
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: financial flexibility, which they will need next year.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: And by no means am I saying there? I mean
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: I don't think any decision has even been talked about
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: or thought about about Cam or Sheriff for any high
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: priced player.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: So they've thought about it.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, but you know, I would say the
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: that Trent in the maybe the scouting department, front offense
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: thought about, but Doug's not worried about that.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: They're trying to win football.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: And I even remember during the summer when I was
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: talking to Doug, I mentioned, well next year you after this?
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: He goes, we're not worried about next year.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And so Doug's thinking and I loved his explanations, like, hey, listen,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: this gives us depth at one of the most important
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: position groups, uh that we have, and that's offensive line.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: We got to run the ball, and we got to
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: protect a quarterback in and getting a starting caliber guard.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: And would they give up a fifth rounder yea, yeah,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I mean Pete.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: But the real good news about it is Walker Little's healthy.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Now he's going to play.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's the news.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Get to see that offensive line play together. You haven't
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: seen it.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: They weren't as positive that, at least Doug Peterson didn't
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: sound as positive on say Jones that he's still day
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: to day, and that just didn't seem that he didn't
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: shoot down the idea of I R at some point
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: for him, and when he was asked about that specifically.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: That's a problem.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: That's not ideal, that's a big problem.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: That's that's amazing because he is the speed on the air,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: he's the go speed, you know, the guy that can
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: win consistently outside and that what do you do if
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: he's not there? That's I mean, if you go, if
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: you go into the rest of the season without him
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: in that lineup, what are you doing? Because Agnew is
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: more of a gimmick guy. I'm sorry, that's what he is.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: So where do you go?
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: What do you do a bunch of two tight end
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: stuff jones, different things like that.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, you may you do?
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: What do you think?
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Well, that's a great question. I mean, you got to
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: try to get Agnew because he's fast, and get some
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: packages for him.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, well, they could throw one of the forty
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: five bubble screens. They throw it, you know.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: But I think when I say you gotta see what
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: can he do? Pete down the field? Is my point? No,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: I know because I don't. I don't even want to
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: engage you on that topic because I know you're, you know,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: being a pain and that we're in So I try
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: to get him involved outside of that. I mean, listen,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Evan Ingram is having a great year. You gotta just
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: lean on Ingram, Kirk and and uh Ridley and sprinkle in.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: You know, Strange has to start getting involved.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Well, you go too tight, so you have strange because
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: you know, you can put Evan in the slot if
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: you need to. Then as far as your third receiver,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: you just got to roll in agnw Tim Jones.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: It hurts though, it's no, it's a big hit to
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: that offensive. He's not around.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: It's not great, no doubt about it. I'm with you.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: I guess my point is there's not a you know,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: snap of the fingers, like here's the solution, because.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: He was so good in the red zone too, like
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: you know, the boundary, all that kind of stuff. Body controls.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: What's the big uh, Seth Williams practice squad. He's the
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: one who's been coming up, up and down right. Elijah
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Cooksa come there. Yeah, there's those guys.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Numbers as fourteen. Yeah, he moved fourteen. That's why I
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: couldn't fin So Elijah Cooks. Maybe he's a big guy.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: I meant, it's not.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I mean Jacob Harris another.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Let's pretty I think I think Doug's good enough to
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: scheme around it. I do for a while, but eventually
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: that shows up.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Well, let's put it this way, Pete, there's no one
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: in this roster who can replace what Zay does, like
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Mike Jones. I mean Mike Jones. Tim Jones can come
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: in and is a good blocker zas because he's a
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: great blocker. But now you've got a fare out who
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: can come in and run those deep over routes, who
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: can stretch the field, who I'm big third downs, sit
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: down in the zone and find it over the middle
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: of the field.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Physical, tough.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, have they said what's wrong with the knee?
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: I have not heard. It's been very quiet. And that
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: actually worries me more than anything, is how vague Doug
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: is and how vague they are really what's going on,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: because it almost.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Sounds like he's headed. It almost sounds like he's headed
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: I are.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: That's what I worry about, Pete.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: And you're talking about a stretch of games where you're
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: gonna need him, yep. I mean you what do you
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: have the forty nine ers have that defense hadn't played
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: as well. You have the Ravens coming up, they're a
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: number one defense in the league.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: You got Houston who's good.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a tough stretch and so you'd love
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: to have his a Jones on the field, and if
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: he's not there, you know, changes the dynamic of the offense.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: I think, and it's gonna get it's gonna put more
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: on them to scheme things up. It's not like you
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: just move Kirk outside and say you go do it
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: and you put somebody in that slot. Because I think
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: that weekend in the middle where Kirk operates.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: I wonder how much you could put it Evan Ingram outside. Yeah,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: because they did so that last year. Well, they did
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: some of it. They did some of it last week.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: It's Pittsburgh.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, they could put me out there when they
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: run the bubble screens. I can run those things.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: All right, that's enough. We're back in the moment.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: That's what they do. They run a bunch of them.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: I think that's the thing. That's what bothers me about
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: Zay not being there is I do think they're gonna
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: start taking the shots down the field now that you
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: solidify the interior of that offensive line. I think those
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: were coming. I think we're gonna see more aggression down
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: the field.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Shaking your head, this is one of those days with Pete.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: That's why it's factual.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Am I saying anything that's not factual?
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: No, let's go over this. He killed the college kids
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: for crying after the game. Right, basically question his toughness. Ye,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: yeah you did, Yeah you did absolutely, Okay, question is toughness.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: He has now said seventy seven times on the show.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: All they do is run bubble screens. I can run
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: a bubble screen. I could do the bubble screen. I
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: could do the bubble screen. I could. I mean literally,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: we're gonna have a counter of how many times Pete says.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: That you're laughing when I say it?
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: So you agree with no. I was not laughing, Pete.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: I was shaking my head.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I was shaking my head. JP.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: I've spent thirty five years reading you, and I know
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: when you agree with jo out.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Now you're a psychiatrist too. That's amazing.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: He's a mind reader.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: How about that?
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: And JP wasn't even laughing. JP wasn't even laughing with you.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: He was laughing at you.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the fight his dad probably told him to.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: But you, on the other hand, I read you.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: We're back in a moment, do we have to? Maybe
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: we'll see if we make it out of this. Bro
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: get a power outage again. I don't know. We're back
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: in a moment plenty ahead. Uh we'll hear from Travis
• 25:37
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  Speaker 6: To having this success right now is to you know,
• 26:11
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• 26:16
  Speaker 6: You know, it's like we all want to focus on
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: an end goal and go d.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Goal, But it's the process.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: It's the front part.
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: It's to know what you're doing throughout the week to
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: find a way to be successful on Sunday. That's the
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: part that I want to chase. That's that's the part
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: that I'm happy about. So if I continue to do
• 26:31
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• 26:35
  Speaker 6: the outcoached and like I said, man, not just get
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: too high. I've been on this team when we haven't
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: we won one game ability.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: When we won three games.
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: So right now it's we're halfway through and I've been
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: on a team where we lost five and then won
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: the rest. So it's like we're at a position to
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: where we can we are successful, but if we don't
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: come in with the same mentality, we can lose the
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: rest of the games, and that's something that we don't
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: want to do. It goes back to leadership, to myself,
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: goes back to Puyeg, goes back to Roy, goes back
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: to Case, it goes It's just a trickle ray. It's
• 27:04
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• 27:08
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• 27:13
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• 27:22
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• 27:25
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• 27:28
  Speaker 1: and two, they've won five straight. They're coming off the
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: bye week. The San Francisco forty nine ers come to town.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: It's a one o'clock kickoff at EverBank Stadium. This Jaguars defense,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: led by Josh Allen nine sacks this year and all
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: over the place with quarterback Hits, impacting things week after
• 27:47
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• 27:51
  Speaker 2: He's been great.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I mean he's been a game wrecker.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: He yes, he has pete he has been He's been.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: A game wrecker. Kudos to him.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: When are we doing our halfway MVP? Is that second?
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: We can do that?
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: The second out? Okay, yeah, coming up and just you know,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: probably about fifteen minutes. Might be a little sneak peak.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Who mine might be? Oh really maybe?
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, it's down to the two guys. But Josh Allen,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: he's been great rushing the passer, especially the last four
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: or five games. I mean, on this wind streak, he's
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: been outstanding. He uh, you know, he got hurt in
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: that Houston game.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Hurt is.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: I believe his right shoulder forced him to go to
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: right end, and he's been at his best the last
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: five games from right end. Interesting he uh. But it's
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: not just against the pass that he's played great. It's
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: he's an every down player. Yes, I mean, he plays
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: the run great. He's physical, sets the edge disrupts plays,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: hits the quarterback, flushes the quarterback, sacks quarterback. I mean
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: that's I mean, basically, he is being who we were
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: hoping and asking him to be. Yes all off season,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: the talk was where's the past rush gonna come from?
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: I know, some idiot said they were gonna get him
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: and Trayvon Walker. We're gonna get twenty three to twenty
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: five sacks. I'm not sure who that was.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: You you know what, you know what creeping up You
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: might get that they're creeping up there? Pete. Where are
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: they at twelve and a half right now? Yeah?
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Games? Yes, yeah, yeah, I mean I think he's.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Said if they got if we got the twenty five, Tony,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: they were gonna be in the super Bowl.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: You said they're gonna be in the super Bowl no
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: matter what, and I'm hoping you're right.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: But you said they would be there if they got
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: the twenty five.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: They're twelve and a half half way home.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: You know the interesting thing about the past rush?
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: How many sacks.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Does the interior of the Jaguars defensive line have after
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: eight games?
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Don't look, JP, I've got it right here, look close it.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say one Okay, you.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Say one, Pete, how many to the interior of the
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Jags offensive defense, defensive line. How many sacks do they have?
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of who had one? Do they
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: have none?
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: It would be point five one half of sack. Roy
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Robertson Harris he had a half sack in Week six. Yep.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's disappointing.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: That's interesting.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Caleb and Chase on as two. Duan Smoot has won,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: but he got it from the end correct position, correct,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: So we have that is sixteen sacks over five players.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: The amazing thing is that sixteen sacks has turned into
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: leading the league in takeaways.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: That's the amazing Well, in sixteen sacks, just to extrapolate
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: that over seventeen games, it's not hard to do the math.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: That's only thirty four sacks. We had what thirty eight
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: last year, So we're on pace to have less sacks
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: than we did last year, but the defense is playing
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: much better.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Take it in well the raven The Ravens I think
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: have thirty five already.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Wow, gosh, how many they have yesterday?
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: Four?
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say that's.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: A good But that's that's why when we sit here
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: and we talk about pass rush, it's not a it's
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: a it's an okay pass rush from Josh Allen's it's
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: a great pass rush from Josh Allen. Standpoint from everybody else.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: It's just not not happening.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where do they I mean, I wonder where in
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: JPU have this? I know? Oh yeah, where do they
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: rank in amongst the rest of the NFL on team
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: sacks total?
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: In sacks, let's go defense NFL sacks The Jaguars. The
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Ravens number one at thirty five. The Jacksonville Jaguars are
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: thirtieth with sixteen. Only the Giants and Bears have fewer.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Now there's a couple of teams that now have played
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: one more game than us.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how it works.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, Pete, we're not average. We're at
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: the bottom of the barrel.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: No, No, I'm saying Josh Allen's been fantastic rushing the past,
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: so the rest of the guys have been below average
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: on that.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, Jaguars. Jaguars are tied for second in the league
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: and passes defense.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: The secondary has been playing outstanding.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Which was which was a little surprising when he mentioned
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: defensive back.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: I I can actually, I actually can I actually have
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: three guys who are up for my defensive MVP when
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: when I think about it, Uh, you mentioned the the
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Ravens and I don't know how many sacks this individual has.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: But if you've watched the tape, and Pete, I know
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: you've watched.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: More than I know, I know where you're going with this.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Clowney is like he's a problem. He's really disruptive. You
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: want to guess how many he has?
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: I have probably not five?
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Or think doesn't he jp.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: He's three and a half.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's been a big he's been just from
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Tony's right. You watch that tape. He's disruptive as hell.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Eleven quarterback hits. Yeah, that's a lot.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Okay, And now I'm gonna give a guy that I think,
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Chuck Smith a lot of credit. Tony, he's there, you know,
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: he's their pass rush coach. Now. Yeah, Yeah, he's a guy.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: By the way, he's a guy that had nothing but
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: great respect for you.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: In the whole Hall of Fame we battled each other.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Chuck is now their defense. You know, he
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: had that camp and that clinic that he worked on
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: for years and and kind of help guys. Now, he's
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: a defensive line coach, and you're getting a lot of
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: guys who aren't great. But van Ney is on that
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: defensive line rushing the patch. They picked him up off
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: the scrap.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Heap and I watched him and he's rushing the pass
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: like a maniac. I'm like, where did this come from?
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: He's got fives that that's It's an amazing defense right
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: now because they're think about this. They're giving up thirteen
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: point eight points per game. They have thirty five sacks.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: The two thousand Ravens, who are arguably the greatest defense
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: of all time, gave up I think ten and a
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: half points per game and they didn't have come close
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: to having that number of sacks. And now was a
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: different error. The passing game wasn't as prevalent as is now.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: But I mean, this defense is playing out of its mind.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: That's where the difference is. You get thirty five sacks,
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: you have sixteen. That's a major drop off in terms
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: of knocking the quarterback down.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Thirteen different guys on the Ravens have at least one
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: sack this season.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Well, and that just also speaks I mean, this also
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: speaks to the challenge this team has down the stretch, tough, tough,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: a bunch of tough opponents, one of them being the Ravens.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: On Sunday night, you talking about a great game. You know,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: let's hope everyone stays healthy on both sides and they're
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: you know, hopefully both are in first place.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: And then by the way, but real quick, you mentioned
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: interior pressure. Mattabuke On on the Ravens. I think he's
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: got seven and a half, doesn't need JP.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: I think he has seven and a half. Pete well
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Don quarterback hits. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there I watched. I've
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: seen a little bit of them, like Holy Cow and
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: the one because he's not traditionally been a great pass rusher.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: We've alwaysaid. I always thought he was a disruptive player.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: But Clowney is.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: But van Noy was on the street.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Both those guys are clowney.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Both those guys are balling right now.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Is that part of the just the system they're in
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: up there though, they can just kind of roll right
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: into that group.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Because coach, I think they have a good defense coordinator.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: And I didn't know this, but Chuck Smith, you know,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: is a good I don't know if he's a good coach.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I mean could. I mean he was a really good player,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Pro Bowl player, could rush the passer. The dude knew
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: how to rush the passer. I don't know how good
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: of a position coach is, but what I do know
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: is he knows how to teach pass rush. I mean
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: he had a very successful academy for years of.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Von Miller kind of splintered off and did stuff with
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: him as well.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean he taught guys how to
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: rush the passer. He understands it. And I don't think
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: it's any mistake because I don't think last year they
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: were a great pass rush team.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: No, and and and remember they've drafted the Dapha kid
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: and uh Ojabo and those two guys haven't been what
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: they thought they would be. And they're still getting to
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: the quarterback.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: They're taking the ball. Gino Stone has six interceptions.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Satan splaying out of his mind.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Well, when you get thirty five sacks in the air, right,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: get rid of it.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: By the way. One thing, and I know we talked
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: about this last week, and Tony, when you left, you
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: had bought in on getting getting the pass rusher. Well
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: they didn't get one. Nope, and I was personally I
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: thought they should go get one. I really did the
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: more I thought about it. The problem is they couldn't
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: go get those guys for the price that they got
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: him for because they didn't have those picks available. So yeah,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: there's a flaw and plan to begin with.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: But yeah, but Pete, I don't I'm gonna go back
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: because we talked about this last week. I'm gonna say
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: it again. I don't think it's fair for you say
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: it's a faw and plan because you were the one
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: who applauded the Ridley trade as much as any You
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: don't get to go back. We had this conversation last
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: year and this offseason, and you were all over.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: How great of a trade that was, and they drafted
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: a pass rusher number one overall, Well that's okay, Like
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: that's part of the deal. If we had these guys,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: let's develop and all right, let's come back. We've got
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: a whole hour to get into that.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Here he goes, he's going on tvon.
• 37:41
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• 37:45
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• 38:00
  Speaker 3: You've got to be.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: Better on first and second down and it keeps you
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: out of those third and longs. I mean, now those
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: are hard, hard downs to convert.
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: And when you look at it from what what we've
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: put ourselves in, whether it be a penalty, a sack,
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: something of that nature, that gets it's in those third
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: and you know, twelve pluses.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: You know, your.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Quarterback has to hold the ball.
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: We've we've obviously gone up against some really talented edge
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: and pass rushers and you know it's just it's hard,
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: extremely hard.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: And then execution.
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: You know, we've we've had some drops, you know, we've
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: had we've had some missed opportunities, you know, miss throws things.
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: So you know, when you look at it, it's it's
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: opportunities that are there. But but again it's it's us
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: being better on first down and second down that keep
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: about keep us out of you know, those situations.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Stuck Peterson of course, today on the Media Zoom Call
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: and Welcome Back, it's our number two of Jaguars Happy
• 39:02
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• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Tony Basselli has stepped away. He'll be back maybe some point,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Pete prisc goes down South Florida. The
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Jaguars are coming off the bye week, the second ALP
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: about to get underway. Jack six and two. They lead
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: the AFC South there as of today, the number three seed.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: If the playoffs started today, which they never do, the
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Jaguars will be the three seed. Three of the next
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: four games are here at home the forty nine ers
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: the Titans, and then at the Texans and then home
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: against the Bengals on Monday Night Football. The health of
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: the team. Doug Peterson on Monday discussing a little bit
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: of that Walker Little ready to go. He is the
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: starting left guard, even with the trade to acquire Ezra
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Cleveland from the Vikings, he is the backup. Walker Little
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: will start at left guard. The cornerback Tyson Campbell should
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: be good to go off a hamstring Andre Cisco as well.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: The question mark, though, is Jay Jones day to day.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Apparently got to work out int a day. It's players
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: around the facility. We'll see how that responds moving ahead.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: But that just didn't sound overall the tone very promising
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: from the head coach in the short term we'll see
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: what happens. You can. Day to day means day to day,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: he could tomorrow have a different day. Are we all
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: day today? Yes? We are. We need to be. Yeah,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: it's good.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Did I not make it?
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: You're great?
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: When they said he got a when they said he
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: got a workout into, do you get a lift in?
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Or what I mean? What do they?
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know? Yeah.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: I love the vague answers. Oh, we got to work out.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: In today, dude, that's what coaches do. Pete?
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: How long I have been covering this game?
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Are you rookie? You're gonna cry about it? Pete?
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: Oh? I pestu him to answer the damn question.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: That's what I would do, cry about it? Wow?
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: JP taking shots it's an easy one point, JP, if
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: you just joined us, it's our two of Jaguars.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Happy we went and Heat is on a roll today.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I must say heris not.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: On a raw. I take shots at the bubble screens
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: every time we're on.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, that's the second of many things you've talked
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: about today. You've crushed the USC quarterback for crying after
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: a tough loss.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: We're caring too much.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: We're caring too much of them staying and helping his team,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: his toughness and fighting through adversity and trying to deal
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: with it.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you did, did his mental fortitude?
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: You said, how many bubble screens of game do they run?
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: The Jaguars are all over there? He said it seventy
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: seven times, seventy seven around that the past rush thing.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: You've been on that for a while.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: You started it on just before.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: My favorite is all of a sudden, Pete is now
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: criticizing the Ridley trade right now?
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: That's right. That's another one added to the bingo card.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: I didn't know where were crossing that one often.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: I didn't see that on the bingo card.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Did you know?
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: I didn't either. I missed that one, especially the guys
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: who had pom poms when it was when the trade
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: was made.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: It's a great trade getting Ridley. It's you probably should
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: have tied three picks to it.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: You don't get to have it both ways. Twenty twenty hindsight, you.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Gotta pick Pete. Did you like the trade or not?
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: How many trades have you heard that have three draft
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: picks tied to him? Tony Pete? I don't know.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: I'd have to go look and study the history of
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: the NFL. But I'm Pete, that's not the point. The
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: point is when the trade was made.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I remember being on the show.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: I'm going through what we gave up a fourth based
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: on this, a third base, on this point in time.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: In a second, if we resign him to a new deal,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: and you, quote unquote, I love it, low risk, great deal.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley's a number one receiver.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah, black receiver. But Pete, I don't.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, I love you, brother, one of the best
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: of what you do, but you don't. I'm not gonna
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: sit here and let you change and rewrite history. There's
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: enough of that going on in this world today. I
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: don't need you rewriting history when you're the one who
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: wrote it in the first place.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: I like the trade. I'm not gonna say I didn't.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: You just you just got done criticizing it. You literally
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: said you probably shouldn't.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Have made a trade. They're tying up three draft picks,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: so you couldn't go get the pass rusher. So you
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: just said you want me to I can have Joe.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: I can say it again. You don't tie the tree.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: They probably should have done it without tying the three
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: picks to it. That's all.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Would they have been able to do it without doing that?
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's the question asked JP. Thank you, so, Pete,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you a question. Hold up, I'm asking
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: the question. I'm interviewing you. You're the coach at the
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: podium now, okay, coach.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: GM, I'll answer the question like a coach.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna you're the GM. You're not a coach. You
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: can't even you couldn't draw a play up on the
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: board for your life depending on it. I'll do both, okay,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: mister GM. Pete Priscoe, yep, yes, are you? Would you
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: be willing to trade Colvin Ridley? We have Calvin Ridley
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: for it. I'm let the Atlanta Falcons have calling you up.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Pete Priscoe. I know you'd like a receiver. We're looking
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: unload him to get Calvin Ridley. So take a fourth.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: If he plays twenty five percent of the time, if
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: he plays seventy five percent of this many catches and
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: blah blah blah.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: It's and be a third.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: And if you re sign him to a deal, it's
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: gonna be a second. You want to do the deal, Pete.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Yes, I want to do the deal. I like Calvin Ridley,
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: but he's coming off suspension. He hasn't been reinstated yet.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: I don't want to tie it.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, let me let me assu interrupt you because I
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: don't care what you want. I got another team willing
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: to give me a similar deal, but I like you better, Pete.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: So do you want to do the deal. Here's the deal.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Here's the deal. The deal is this.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Another team is in Houston, Texans.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: So here's the deal.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: The deal is, Pete, do you want to get Do
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: you want to tie up a fourth to third, the
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: second depending on what you do with Calvin Ridley to
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: get Calvin Ridley? Yes or no.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: It's a very it's a binary question. We're not negotiating
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: yes or no.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: You know what, Falcons. I have solved my pass rush
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: because I have an elite pass rusher that I drafted
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: first overall, so I'm never gonna need those draft picks.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I'll make that deal with you. How's that?
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: So you liked it? So now you're saying you like
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: the deal.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't like paying three picks to it. That's
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: not the you don't like, yes, do. But here's the
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: other one. We when we like that deal, we also
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: were assuming that the first overall pick would be a
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: better pass rusher.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: That was my point when I brought it up to begin. Well,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: here's my point. You don't get in now and say
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: it was a bad trade. You don't like it, that's
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: my only point. I'm not My question is it put.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: Him in It put him in a pickle where they
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: couldn't use any picks to go.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: I'll a differently than yes, I'm not. Hold on, I'm
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: gonna ask you differently. No, hold on, I'm in charge.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Of this interview, not you. I'm gonna ask it differently.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Pete, like you did.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Would you I never walked, never walked away from a
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: question from you ever.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Would you.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Rather have Calvin Ridley or those three picks so you
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: could have possibly no guarantee, possibly traded for a pastors.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Which one do you want? Because you know you don't
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: get both, Pete, that's my point. You don't get Calvin
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Ridley and access to all three picks, So which one
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: do you want? Because I know what you wanted back
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: last year. You wanted Calvin Ridley. Are you now saying
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: you'd rather have those three picks than Colvin Ridley? No, okay,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: then stop talking about it.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: But no, no, no, no. Would you rather have negotiated
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: a better trade deal and had one of those picks.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: To go get How do you know Trent didn't? How
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: do you know the original deal wasn't for it a
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: guarantee three? No?
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: How do you know it wasn't? It wasn't a guaranteed
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: two or three? It was a guaranteed two and three?
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: How do you know it was in the two and three?
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: Hope it was a guaranteed. If it was a guaranteed two,
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: then they would have been able to use the three
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: in the fourty past? What is that a good deal?
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you that on the surface, was it
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: smart to tie the three picks up to whether whichever
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: one you give up for him, was it smart to
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: tie all three of them up to get him?
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Well, here's pete, here's there's I'm not going to go
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: back and do revision's history when the trade happened.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Yes it is.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: It's affecting immediate history. It's affecting you.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Miss my point. I didn't love having three draft picks
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: tied up, but I'm not going to be I'm not
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: going to be critical of Trent or Doug or anyone
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: else with this building for it because when the trade
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: was made.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: And we can go back and play the show.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: I was like, okay, yeah, we'll see risk. Because I
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: would pay attention to Calvin Redley. I don't know if
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: he was in good shape. I had nothing.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: I had one great year right, and we knew he
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: was suspended and he left for personal in the year
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: before then.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: That's all I knew.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: So I was like, I was like, okay, Like do
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: I like Calvin really?
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: No?
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, I think he's a great teammate. He's helping this team.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: He's a good player. But I'm not going to go back.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Even though I was luke warm at the time, I
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: wasn't critical and I wasn't doing what you were doing,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: which had pom poms out saying what a great trade
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: it was.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: He's number one receiver. I didn't have pomp They're on
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: your shelf. Yeah, a hell of a he was a
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: hell of a j.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: So there were people in that building who had palm
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: ups out when I was there for camp were comparing
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: him to Jimmy Smith.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: And that's it. No, those were pomp poms. That was
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: the whole cheer squad that was doing like pyramids and
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: backflips and everything else.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: But but better off not tying those three picks and
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: sending a second for Chase Young and having both of
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: them on the roster.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: So right now, that wasn't Pete. You don't get to
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: do that because that that wasn't the trade that was offered.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: So here's the question. Would you rather, at least would
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: you rather have all access to those picks?
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: All three?
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: But you don't have Calvin Ridley on your team right now?
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you? You could have just made it a
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: straight two for Calvin Ridley.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: But that's not the deal. That's not the deal.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: You can live in your fantasy football world and make
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: it up if you go, this isn't like Pete Prisco's reality.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: I get to do whatever you want.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Hey, maybe if I trade up and only give up
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: you know, seventh round, but I get to the first pick.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: I can take this guy.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: WHOA You're like every other guy in their basement doing
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: mock drafts right now?
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Is trip me crazy?
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: What's the best thing that they fouc are gonna get
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: out of Jacksonville for this for right now. But if
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: they resign them, they're gonna get it.
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: Two.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but right now it's a third.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: Okay, But let's just assume you did the deal for
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: a straight two.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: If you can't, can't assume that, basically, I'm going home.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: You're done.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: You like honestly, you are one of the best writers
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: in the entire world in my opinion, in you should
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: be in the Hall of Fame. You are that good.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: You are the best Pete Ryan here I've ever been around.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: You're amazing.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: But right now you are driving me crazy.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: It is ridiculous, and you are like a petulant teenager
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: who just won't admit that they're wrong wrong.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: I can't. I can't tell you how many people in
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: the league have said that I've talked to that question
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: tie and three picks to it.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: You know what I think you need, Pete, is a
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: good cry crying out.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: If the past rush ends up with twenty two sacks
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: on the season and some of those guys don't get going,
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: they're gonna be crying a lot of tears because they
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: didn't get Chase Young or Montese sweat.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: How about that they were never going to get Monteste
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Sweat because montwast Montese Sweat wanted four years, one hundred million.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: They were never getting Impete.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: And Daniel Hunter would have had wanted that kind of
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: money too.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: That's why you.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: Wanted to give up the first round pick for Daniel Hunter.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Last week I said I was at this point rolled
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: the die and do whatever. I never said I would
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: give him a long term deal.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: No, but you were you were all in on the rental.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, I didn't say I wasn't, But you've.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: Been all in on the rental for Montest Sweat.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: I think Donell Daniel Hunter is a better player than
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: Montes what wasn't better player?
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: But if you had a second round pick, would you
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: have given up the second to I don't think I
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: would have. Oh how about Chase.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: What's the what's the what's the number? The highest number
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: of sacks? Montes what has had?
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Sambay And No, I would not have for Chase Young either.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: I don't think.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: I don't think i'd give I wouldn't give a second
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: round for Chase Young because he's hurt all the time.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: We're gonna see him this week.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Montes Sweat in his career, his high water mark of
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: sacks is nine and twenty twenty. His second year. He
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: had eight sacks in twenty twenty two, and he had
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: seven sacks his rookie year in nineteen.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's never been a double digit sack guy. I'm
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: not going to give him a second rounder for him
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: for a rental.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: No, Daniel Daniel Hunter is a digit sack, a better player.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: I get you weready, get were gonna give up a
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: first for Daniel Hunter. Let's not forget, and I still
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: would have.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not I'm not going back.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: And when I said, I'm just saying, Pete, my point
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: is not whether we give a second whatever for a
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: pass rusher. I like I would have liked to get
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: a pass rusher. I'm not disagreeing with you on that.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: What I'm disagreeing with is you don't get to be
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: all excited in praising Trent for the trade he made
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: last year and now saying it was a bad trade
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: to tie up three picks.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: Well, I was praising him for acquiring him, not for
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: tying up.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Now. Oh hear that beeping, that's Pete backing up.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: And you know what, you know what, every time, every
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: single time I Chase Young if Chase Young sacks Trevor
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: Lawrence a couple of times, the fan should yell conditional,
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: conditional every time he has a sack of sex. Conditional
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: pick they could have used to get to get Chase
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Young on their side.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: JP, Yes, Tony, how long have we been doing this
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: show with me? A long long time and.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: A long time and I've i've i have dominated him
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: in debates in one point, but never this is this.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: Right here with me? By the way, put a poll
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: out and put a poll on Twitter. I guarantee they
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: agree with me.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: This right here.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: Rubbing people put the wrong pull out because I'm not questioning.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: I'm not questioning whether we should have I would have
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: liked to have a pass rusher or not. My only
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: thing is do you here's the poll question. Is it responsible,
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: as a professional journalist and a member who of highly
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: esteemed CBS sports writing on the national scene to praise
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: and cheer a trade and then less than a year
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: later call it a bad trade for tying up too?
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Yes, it is.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: I didn't say it was a bad trade.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: JP.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: It handcuffed them.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Hey, let's come back and keep it real. I don't
• 54:06
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  Speaker 1: Studios Pete Prisco down in South Florida. Pete's digging himself
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  Speaker 1: a hole tonight. I must say he's not. Yeah, kind
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  Speaker 1: of hard agree with me?
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  Speaker 3: Did they?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Hey? By the way, Evan Ingram has Evan Ingram is
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: one of those guys that always seems to have the
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: right perspective on stuff.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Really, he's a very smart, thoughtful dude.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: Yes, I'm a I mean Josh Allen is a lot
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: like that too. I think they both do. But I've
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: noticed that more and more as Van Ingram has become
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: a bigger part of it, looks like he's you know,
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: last year he was on the one year deal. You
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: weren't sure. But now he's a big part of this team.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: I think he's kinda he says the right stuff, he
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: gets it.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: He's been in the big marketplace. He was a first
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: round pick. It didn't go like he wanted to in
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: New York. Obviously he's been through that and now he's
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: got a quarterback and he's got things going the right
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: way and the contract and yeah, that makes a lot
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: of sense to me.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: He would be like Tony back in the day. I
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: think he would have been like one of my go
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: to guys in the locker room.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he'd be good. Yeah, he's good. He's really really good.
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: Hey.
• 56:32
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  Speaker 3: You know what you do should raise money? You should
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  Speaker 3: have a crying booth.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: Are you gonna come?
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Prisco crying tank.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: Or maybe a change the narrative tank or change the stories,
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: or maybe be the hypocrite.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: Booth no hypocrite or the.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: No crying in Football. Oh, you know what it should be.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: You know what we should do.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: I know what the booth should be, the quarterback booth.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: Pete Prisco host, I could tell you what to do
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: after it's already been done and why I'm right and
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: they're wrong, the armchair g both.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: It could be the company man booth.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: I am I'm not gonna respond to it.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: Wow, gosh, all right, I'm tired.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Hey, it's time now for Keeping it Real presented by
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• 58:15
  Speaker 1: do they need to do on offense to take the
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: next step? The rest of the season? Nine games to go.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna I'm actually gonna agree with something
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: Pete has said. Him and I have talked about it
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: off the show. I'm not gonna position it with talking
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: about bubble screens for the seventy eighth time on this show.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Thank you, I think we're past that.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: I do think getting a little more vertical and pressing
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: the ball down the field a little bit more stretching
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: the defense. I'm not saying you just throwing it up constantly,
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: but like just deep down the sideline middle, just stretch
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: the defense a little bit, because I think it will
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: open up the crossers and some of the other in
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: the bubble screens and some of the other the stuff
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: they want to do, as well as the run games.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: So I think maybe trusting you know, if it is
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: where Pete and I always assume it's a lack of
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: trust offensive line, that's unfair. Maybe it is right or not, but.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: I think they get it out of his hands fast,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: no matter what the issue is.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: And so it takes like a few times, you know,
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: increase the number of times a game where you're taking
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: shots down the field. I think that's the big thing
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: I would say, and.
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna agree with you one hundred percent. And they
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: haven't trusted the offensive line, and you had to get
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: the ball quickly out of his hands when he was hurt,
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: and so I think that played into it. But now
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: you have walker little back the interior the offensive line
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: shouldn't be an issue anymore. It should be much better.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: It shouldn't be you have to call those plays the
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: way they've been calling them. And the other thing is
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: is I think Trevor's been sped up. I really do.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: I think he's been sped up because the offensive line
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: in the middle of that line has not played that
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: well in pass protection. So he's been sped up. So
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: he takes the quick slant where he we've there have
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: been many a plays where you could look at it
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: took he took the you know, the ten dollars instead
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: of going for the thousand, and now I think he
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: has to start going for the thousand. I think that's there.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: It's in his game. We've seen it. It's all part
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: of who he is. He's made that way. So now
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: that's the next step of the second half of the season.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: And to beat the forty nine ers, you're gonna have
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: to beat them with shots. You're gonna have to get
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: the ball down the field. You saw Joe Burrow against him.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: He hit the shots down the field. So I think
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: that's what you're gonna have to do. One hundred percent
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: in agreement with Tony, I think that's the next step
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: for the offense.
• 1:00:29
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• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: We've been teasing it all hour and a half. Offensive
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: and defensive MVPs. At the midway point y like that,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: what do you got, Pete? Who do you like on offense?
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: Look, the quarterbacks always the MVP, no matter what.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: He is, he's played, he's played.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: Well, you're not speaking of Trevor in this case. I
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: disagree one hundred percent that the quarterback is always the.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: The most starting quarterbacks in the NFL.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: Are they who's the most valuable player of the Dolphins?
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Mm Tua, No, Tyreek Kill, They're not anything.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: Yes, if you take two away and play with U
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: the backup quarterback, you're not Mike White Are You're going
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: to be the same. I don't think too is what
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: everybody else thinks he is.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: Either you take you take Tyreek Hill away and that
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: that offense isn't scary.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: It's I get it. I understand tygreek Kill is probably
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: the scariest player in the NFL. But but you have
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: to have your quarterback. If you don't have your quarterback.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: So so, having said that, Trevor's the m v P
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: of this team. If he goes, they're done, period, end
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: of story.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: You're missing the question. We didn't say the most important
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: person or the most critical.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: The team of the first half of the first eight the.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: First eight games, who's it made the biggest impact? Was
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: valuable player on this team?
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: Okay, on the offensive side of the ball, you would
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: probably go with etn Okay, but me personally, because that's
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: who I am, I will take Trevor Lawrence.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: So you don't think in the NFL any position should
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: be considered for MVP except for the quarterback.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: If he's a if he's a franchise quarterback nine times
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: out of ten er so then one don't mean you're
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: starting Josh Dobbs and Justin Jefferson is probably going to
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: be the No.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: No, I'm talking about the overall award in the NFL
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: at the end of the year. You think it should
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: be a quarterback every year?
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: He usually is.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: I didn't ask what it usually is.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: I'm asking you unless somebody goes above and beyond what
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: they what they're what the position is then, yes, otherwise
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: it's a quarterback.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I I disagree with that, and I'll give you
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: a perfect examp.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: They give it to a left tackle.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: And the uh it was either two years ago or
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: three years ago, and maybe it was both years. The
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: most valuable player in the league was Aaron Donald. He
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: was what won then the Super Bowl. He was more
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: valuable than any person on that team, literally right down
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: to the final player.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He was more valuable than Matt Stafford.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, he was the most valuable player in the NFL.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: Please, Okay, I mean he's clearly the best defensive player
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: in the NFL. That'll give you. Then he's not the best.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: He's not the most valuable player on the team. When
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: Matt stafford Is came there and won a Super Bowl,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: he's the most valuable player.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: They don't win the Super Bowl without Aaron Donald.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: Okay, you're talking about Travis etn being the m v
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: P correct of the offense. We're going to go to defense. Okay, well,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: let me let me just make my case. Here's how
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: you can Here's how you find out who the MVP
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: of the team is. If Trevor weren't on the field,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: the team would be dysfunctional. If Travis Etn is not
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: on the field, there's still function. There's the m v P.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: About defense, Pete, I don't I think.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: I think your definition is terrible.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: Most viable players the e P.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: No, but what goes to the most valuable player? Who's
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: making the Who's who's playing?
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: The offensive player? That's you for the Jaguars, Who's that's privacyn.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Okay? How about defense? Pete? This should be the easy.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: Frustrated, I don't get it. The empty quarterbacks always the
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: m v P. Who's the defensive m v P? Josh Allen?
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: And and look I get Tony mentioned he likes three
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: different guys. I know he's talking about he's talking about
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: a Lucan, Josh Allen and Darius Williams.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: Darius has a case. By the way, are you well,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: I'm crying.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: I'm crying.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: I'm crying.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: Got a frustration of how idiotic the conversation is today
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: to keep going?
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: You know what, though, you could talk about how that was.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: But I think JP got my point and he was
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: agreement with me.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: What about the three?
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: About the about the MVP?
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, the quarterback stuff. Yeah, yeah, I kind of feel you.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Pete makes sense, but I will I would say Etn
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: the overall has been the best overall offensive player.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: Yes, that I would agree with. He's been the best
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: because Trevor has a performed to what I thought he
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: was going to perform too.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: But he's still doing things outside of that to make
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: his team go win and do things. No, no, no,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: the quarterback.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but but he hasn't been as good as I
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: thought he was going to be, right, and that's fair too.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: He has been as good as we thought he was
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: going to be. So so yeah, he he's the offensive
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: player of the year on the team.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Hey, what's your defensive player, Tony? Since you're all into
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: this conversation right now, what is it? Quickly? I gotta
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: do offense first. Oh, you haven't done your offense? No,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: we'll hurry.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: Most valuable player because I'm usually looking at this at
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: the halfway, Who's who's the best offense, who's had the
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: best year offensively? Who's made the biggest impact, And that's
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: Travis Etn And I would argue after that it's probably
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: Evan Ingram. Now the most critical important piece of this
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: whole franchise, not just offense, but defense, special.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: Teams, everything, like everything is Trevor Lawrence. He's a franchise quarterback.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: But as far as we define it differently, I'm not
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: going to do this again with you.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: Boy. It's the peak.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: Got the three guys right, and if I had to
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: narrow it down to two, because here's my thing, I'm
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: gonna go through each of them a lua kon starting
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: with him. I'm not sure they get lined up every
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: play without.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: Him, well, particularly not last year.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: That's a different year.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about this year.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: Just watch him.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying guys aren't ready, but he is like
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: identifying everything. He's always in the right place. He makes
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: sure he's a tackling machine, great blitzer, big big Playsarius Williams,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, look at his number. He's number one rated
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: corner in the NFL in a passing league with not
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: a great pass rush.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: And he's not the biggest guy.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: Forget.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: Let's just think about this. At least the last time
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: I look going into the bye I believe he was
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: the number one rated corner in the NFL in the PFF.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: Pretty high hid.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: But he's up there and he's doing that with the
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: thirtieth best pass rush in the NFL.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: Well, not only that. Before the season, Tony, if you
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: would have told us that he was better than Tyson
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: campbells and Tyson Campbell's been good, but he would be
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: graded better, you would have said, no way, that's not happening.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: I agree, he's played unreal.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: And then Josh Allen is number two in the NFL.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: He's going into the bye week in sacks.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: He's now five, but there's guys with like nine and
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: a half. There's three guys with nine, and.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: We all have an extra game than he does. And
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: he's been good against the run. I mean, he's been great,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: and so to me, it's a coin flip. I think
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: you can choose any of them.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: We'll choose one. I'm having a hard time obviously tonight
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: Pete picked Josh Allen.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go a little con.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, And I couldn't, by the way, I
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: couldn't argue any of them.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: I can't either. I mean, I picked Josh Allen. I
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: think he's amazing, and I could pick Darius Williams.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: Darius Williams is third ranked in PFF behind Jalen Johnson
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: and Paulson the deebo.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: All right, very nice, and he's.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: Played one hundred more snaps or almost one hundred more
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: snaps than both of them.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: That's what it really is. We're back in a moment.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: We've got fanatics, fan questions that'll get us go on
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: tonight because we're not quite there yet.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, today, JP, I to keep him in line today,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah are you?
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: I don't think Sophia, I think.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: You're out of line.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: I think the fans know.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've read some of the comments. They know they know.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they know. We're about to find out. Fanatics,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: fan questions. Our next Jaguars Happy Hour presented by Mister
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• 1:09:14
  Speaker 9: I really didn't realize that we had Wing against October
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 9: last year. So press said it today and I was like, dang,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 9: is this is much better feeling. I know everyone's feeling
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 9: much better, and we're grateful for you know, because we
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 9: know what it to be like on the other side.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 9: And now we just want to enjoy this moment. And
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 9: he's kind of soaking it right now. But don't get
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 9: too stuck in a moment the way we don't be
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 9: able to move forward.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: It's Travis et and junior Jaguars running back near the
• 1:09:38
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• 1:09:42
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• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: and oh they were zero and five last October. And
• 1:09:51
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• 1:09:54
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• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: we put the cat signal out on X earlier today.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we need to get our TV in here so
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: I don't have to look over here away from the camera.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: Thank thank you, Tony. Here's the best we've come up
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: with at unbiased jag Will Tony give up pregame pep
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: talk to the offensive line to stop Nick Bosa and
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: Chase Young.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: They don't need one. Here's the deal, let's just call
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: it what it is. The forty nine ers an't rushing
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: the passes very well right now. Now they're capable and
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: the Chase Young helped them do that. I don't know,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: it's not like he's a he's been lighting it up.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: He's a good player to remember.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah he's done, he's done nothing. Bosa is not really
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: getting to the quarterback now. They pressure the impact. They
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: moved Joe Burrow around. But how many is how many
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: is Joe?
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: Nick Bosa have.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: Even they didn't sack they didn't sack Cousins when they
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: played him.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: No, and but overall, this is how you handle a
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: great Passosa has three, by the way, hard Grave has three, Yeah,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: like arms half. Armstead had two against the Bengals, right,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know how he hasn't Armstead has two and
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: a half now yeah too against the Bengals.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: But for that group, they're not getting home enough.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: No, and they're giving a bunch of yards.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: Eighteen total sacks for the forty nine ers defense.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: That's less than us, two more in this I'm sorry,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: two more than us. But here's I mean, they're good
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: players though. I mean Nick bost is a good player.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: It's called what it is.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: Nineteen quarterback hits number one.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: He's good, That's what I'm saying. I mean, he's he's
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: just not finishing. It's probably the better way to say it.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: They're disrupting, and they disrupted Joe Burrow at times, but
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: they gave up. They go through stretches where there's a
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: bunch of time back there and they're getting trying to
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: play more man that I think they probably should and
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: they're getting torched a little bit.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a different, different style in that back then
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: it is they played. They do play more man.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: They played more man, which you know, and this is
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: not the question, but it's gonna be a big opportunity
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: for Trevor to use his legs because when a team
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: plays man with a running quarterback, watch out if you
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: don't get home. But they got good pass rushers. They
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: got Nick Bosa. Chase Young is a freakish athlete, but
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's proven he's a great pass rusher yet.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Randy Gregory's long powerful good player. Is he great?
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: But good like Eric Armstead is rather second best pass
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: rusher or Hard Graves, and Hard Graves is a disruptive
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: force inside.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: But from the tackle position.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: My mindset any time, I'll go back to ninety six
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: when I played against Bruce Smith or against Derrek Thomas
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: in ninety eight or whatever year you wanted to talk about.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: Playing against top end guys, it's about you more than them,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: because if you make it about them, then you get
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: in your head and you get all messed up. Look
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: how good there, Look how fast they are.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: Look how powerful?
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: Look at the spin move, Look at a hump move.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: They can do this, they can do that, and everything else.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: It's about you. It's about your technique, it's about your preparation.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: It's about you having a game plan and then going
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: executing the game plan, because if you have that mindset,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: you'll be much more relaxed. If you're so worried about
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: the guy you're playing against, and I've gotten my head
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: where I've been all out of sorts thinking about the
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: guy more than what I'm supposed to do. You will
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: be anxious, you'll be leaning, you'll get out of position,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: your body position won't be right, your foot wart won't
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: be right.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: You'll be just all out of sorts.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: And so the better the player is, the more you
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: needed to make it about your technique, your game plan
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: and executing it and then let the chips fall where
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: they may. And what I tried to tell myself going
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: to the games like that is you know what if
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: I go do my execute my game plan, have great technique,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: compete my ass off, and play physical and I still
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: get beat. I can live with that. I can live
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: with it. But what I can't live with and if
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: I go back in the history of my career from college,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: I mean from pro to college to high school, and
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: trust me, I got a messed up mind where I
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: can remember every I don't remember all the good stuff.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: I remember every bad play, every bad game, every bad moment,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: and I go back and think about those. You know
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: where I get mad at myself is when it was
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: in my head or mentally I allowed myself not to
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: do what I knew I was supposed to do, or
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: I didn't trust my technique because I was worried about
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: the guy I was playing against and said, just doing
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: my job. Not once ever since I've been playing the
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: game of football, have I ever felt bad, look back
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: and been disappointed. I did At any moment I ever
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: went out and executed my game plan, was physical as
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: can be, and let the chips follow how they may.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: Because I did my technique, I was ready at a
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: game plan, I was physical. I got beat that's the
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: game of football. You're gonna get beat sometimes, and so
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: that'd be my advice.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: So to answer the question, no, you're not going to
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: give them a peptal.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: However, we just got one. I mean that's how I mean.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: I bet you if you talk to most.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: Guys that have success, that's the approach.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: I would agree with you on hundred percent.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: Well done, nice job. I'm ready to go block somebody now, so.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: In somebody's teeth and that.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: But that's the one thing with this Niner group. And
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: we haven't talked a lot about them.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: They're good.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: I've watched them. I did one of their games. They're
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: not playing very well as of late, but they're still,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: you know, losing closer games and people for let's not
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: forget they and Pete. I haven't heard the late, but
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: they've been without their two best players in offense, yeah,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: two of the three they have three. They have three
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: superstars on off Yeah, but they have three superstars on offense.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: McCaffrey deebo is not really a superstar. I think he's a.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: Superstar in that system. Yes, I think it's so versatile.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: And Trent Williams is the other. And then they got
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: some other good players like Ahuk, very good player George
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: which George Kittle is the fourth superstar on that team. Yeah,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: I did the Giants game on Monday night? Was it
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: Thursday night?
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: Remember they're very They're very star heavy that roster.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: Yes, they have a great inside backer, two great inside
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: backwards in green Law and Warner. They have very good safety.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: The kid from SC.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: Can be. He could be beating coverage though I'm.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: Not saying you can't be. He's a good player. And
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: you know what they are, Pete. On both sides of
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: the ball and JP, they are physical, tough. They're tough physical.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: So the mindset of not just the offensive line, but
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: this entire team, you have to get your mind and
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: body ready for a heavyweight fight, like this is a
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: game when you're gonna go I'm gonna bloody them because
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: they're gonna try to bloody me. Yeah, and Pete, I remember,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: you know, back when I was playing, you know the
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: game like the there was all the games were physical,
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  Speaker 2: and I thought we were a pretty physical team. I
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  Speaker 2: mean that was my perception of us. Pete, you might
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  Speaker 2: have a different one, but from a personal standpoint, when
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  Speaker 2: we played the Ravens, especially when they started getting good
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  Speaker 2: on those defenses, and they had a guy named Michael
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  Speaker 2: McCrary who I probably respect as much of as much
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  Speaker 2: as any player I ever played the game of football
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  Speaker 2: against like I would all week, all week, and I
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  Speaker 2: try to do this every week, but it was highlighted
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  Speaker 2: this week. Is like I like, I got in this
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  Speaker 2: mindsets like I'm going to a heavyweight browl twelve rounds
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  Speaker 2: and I'm either gonna get knocked out or I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: knock them out. And like, you have that mentality, so
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  Speaker 2: every play is a war. I mean, it is just
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  Speaker 2: and he can tell you those games.
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  Speaker 3: Those games are physical, and your battles with him were wars.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I'm talking wars trying to kill each other.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, and you can't even get away with some
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  Speaker 2: of the stuff we did now. I mean they couldn't
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  Speaker 2: get away with it now, but I mean trying.
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  Speaker 3: But that's how they got to play this week, because
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  Speaker 3: if you don't, they'll start feeding off of that.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And so what that does when you have that
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  Speaker 2: mentality and when you play, I think, first of all,
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  Speaker 2: I think you should play like that every week. I
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  Speaker 2: think that's the game of football. If I go back
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  Speaker 2: to our opening conversation. My frustration with my alma mater
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  Speaker 2: USC is they don't have that attitude. The reason the
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  Speaker 2: SEC wins every damn year in college football is because
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  Speaker 2: they're tougher than everybody else. They're more physical than everybody else.
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  Speaker 2: And if you want to be a great team, if
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  Speaker 2: you want to be a championship team, you want to
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  Speaker 2: know why the Patriots won all those Super Bowls. Wasn't
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  Speaker 2: just because of Belichick and Brady. They were physical. I
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  Speaker 2: make his ass quick, I mean just tough. And so
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  Speaker 2: my message to the whether it's the offensive line or anybody,
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  Speaker 2: you want to be a championship team, you have to
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  Speaker 2: have that attitude. You better be ready, and you better
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  Speaker 2: bring that to this game. Because that's who the forty
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  Speaker 2: nine ers are. I don't care that they've lost three straight.
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  Speaker 2: They're a wounded animal. They're gonna even be more physical.
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  Speaker 1: And if they even get a hint, right, a hint,
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  Speaker 1: a whiff.
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  Speaker 2: Of you backing down or you not ready for the
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: physicality in the fight, you will get beat but.
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  Speaker 3: And it will be a feeding frenzy.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: But you know what, here's the other thing. If you
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  Speaker 2: match that, and you match it from the first play.
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  Speaker 2: I promise you they'll go. Oh, it's like Rocky four
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  Speaker 2: when Drago looked at Rocky and he said, he's not
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  Speaker 2: a man, he's a machine. He's a piece of meal,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: he's a piece of steel, because he wouldn't because.
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  Speaker 3: He wouldn't back down, be violent, all of that.
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  Speaker 2: Like I mean, and Doug.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: The stars are on the other team, Tony team. But
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: here we always say who's the top five player at
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: their position? On the Jaguars team, there are probably probably
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: probably probably six guys that are top five at their
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  Speaker 3: at their position.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll just say this, and I know we got
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  Speaker 2: to go toward I'm fired up, I'm ready to go play.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently this is and I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean, I don't mind in a game like this. And again,
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  Speaker 2: maybe you can't do this anymore. So forgive me, Doug
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  Speaker 2: if you hear this, and if any player does this
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: and blames me, pet every one's on these type of games, eh,
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  Speaker 2: getting a fifteen yarder at the right time, sending a message,
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  Speaker 2: and not that you're trying to get a fifteen yarder,
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  Speaker 2: but going up to the edge, as we used to say,
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  Speaker 2: as I used to be taught, and again is play
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  Speaker 2: through the echo of the whistle. Don't play to the whistle,
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  Speaker 2: play through the to the through the echo.
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  Speaker 3: Like if you're if you're pinning back on the one
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  Speaker 3: yard line and it's second doubt or something, eh, well,
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  Speaker 3: you get a personal foul, it's a only gonna move
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  Speaker 3: it back a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: No, but you know but you know what I'm saying, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, yeah, exactly, and you know what.
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  Speaker 2: Don't let him get that extra shot on your running
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  Speaker 2: back or or you know what, if you're on defense,
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  Speaker 2: get that extra shot right on the running back. Send
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  Speaker 2: a message because here's the big opportunity. And this is
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  Speaker 2: what's exciting. Go beat the forty nine ers, because everyone,
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  Speaker 2: even though they lost three straight, it's the forty nine ers, right,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: It's Christian McCaffrey, it's Deebo Samuel, it's Trent Williams, it's
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: George Kittle, it's Nick Bosa, it's Fred Warner, I mean Greenlaw,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: I mean these it's the forty nine ers. You go
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  Speaker 2: punch them in the mouth and you physically take it
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  Speaker 2: to them and you put a W up on the board.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: Doesn't mean you're going to the super Bowl, doesn't mean
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: you're winning the division. But it sends a message to
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: everybody this is who we are.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: It's got a couple more questions in Okay, then we've
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: gotta take a time out at North Dakota, Jack, could
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: you give us the most heated interaction between the two
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: of you during Tony's playing career.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can let me see if the let me
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: see if I agree with you. So there was twice, the
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: first the second. The second one wasn't really direct. He
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: was directed at Pete. But there there was an incident
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: I think it was two thousand with Mark Burnell getting
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: benched at the end of the Ravens game by Tom
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: and somebody from the media tried to make it a
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: story about like quarterback controversy and I lost it.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: Ah, that might not have I might not have been there.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: And then the other time is Pete. It was a
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: it was a weekly heated on Monday. Because Pete had
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: this propensity and it was this job, so it wasn't
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: really a propensity. He had a requirement to grade.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that got that got me in trouble more
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: than anything I've ever done.
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  Speaker 1: He had to grade to each position group and I.
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  Speaker 3: Was That's what it was.
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  Speaker 2: Though it was a run game Pass game.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was, it was. It was past game run
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: game then, but there was always one category for the
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: offensive line had its own category, the only position group
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: that got graded as by itself.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: And I would just I come in hot.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: You weren't alone, though, because you remember Leon and I
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: remember one time Leon, I walked into the locker room
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: after a game and Leon goes, we don't give a
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: help out your damn grades, Pete.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: And then one time we roped off an area that
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: Pete wasn't allowed into.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, but it was never a heated no, no,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: it also heated. You didn't get heated with me. No.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: Pete and I had tense conversations, yes, and because I
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: would go back at him and Pete, as everyone knows,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: Pete is never going to back down from anybody. We
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: had that tonight never, which I respect and appreciate it,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: and it's one of the reasons Pete and I are
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: such good friends. But it was always we'd go at it,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: we'd disagree, but by the end of it, we were
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: talking about the league in general because we both loved football.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah. By the way, I got just before we go JP,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: I got a text for do you mind who's listening, said, well,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: I think Tony needs a hug. You've had him all
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: riled up would up today. Maybe JP can add that
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: to his hosting duties.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, I don't think so. That's not in the
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: job description. I mean I could read something too. I'll
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: be back. No, what do we do? What?
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: We could read some tweets about Pete's We could, Yes,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: we could them.
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  Speaker 3: I don't care we could.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: No, I'm a team player, Pete. We only have a
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: few minutes left. That's why we can't. Because we talked
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: about crying in football for about a half hour earlier.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: That was a good segment, that was really competent. Actually, hey,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: let's come back in a moment quick around the league
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: Monday Night football. By the way you choked last week,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: it better be better. You better do a better job.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: Can't really be worse. I suppose we're back in the moment.
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  Speaker 3: What is that staring at me?
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  Speaker 1: Start over?
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  Speaker 2: Let's still again, start the musical.
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  Speaker 1: Let's let's stop rusher he melts when I was fine
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  Speaker 1: and then Tony staring at me through the holes through stuff.
• 1:27:00
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  Speaker 1: Manning Cast tonight, who you got in the Meadowlands Answer
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: the question, I'm going Jets.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: I think the Jets are tough, and I think they
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: play really good defense. And do I think Zach Wilson's great? No,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: but I'll give the kid credit. He's in the biggest
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: media marketing. Everyone everyone kills them. You have national guys
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: killing them, you have glocal guys killing him, and he
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: shows up.
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  Speaker 1: I like the Jets.
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  Speaker 2: I think they win all right.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: Manning Cast, ESPN two, Trevor Lawrence the second guest to eight.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever the game starts, ate something.
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  Speaker 3: He's the second guest, the second guest.
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  Speaker 2: I've never seen the Manning cast, not once.
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  Speaker 1: You need to check out what channels ESPN two. Thanks
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