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It's Goon Time! #1 · Goon Tavern

• 0:16
  SPEAKER_00: Hey everybody, I am your host, Jay McKeever.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Goon Tavern.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_00: And this, this ladies and gentlemen, kicks off our very first podcast.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: One that is gonna be of many.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm really excited.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_00: And probably some of you are wondering, why do another podcast?
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_00: Aren't there enough?
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_00: And the truth is, you're probably right.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: There probably are way, way too many podcasts out there.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_00: But without hope, there cannot be any victory.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: Without any struggle, there cannot be any actual, I don't know, what's another word to think of?
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe victory.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: I think I already said victory.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_00: But beside the point.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_00: But basically, what we are hoping to do and accomplish with this podcast is not only have interviews with current events, either authors, either that be people from various cultures or backgrounds, but the main focal point of the podcast is basically going to be talking about things that other people squirm or try to avoid.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_00: And most of the time it has to do with things, also topics that are usually avoided in the church body.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: And my hope and my passion that I have is basically to discuss things where people will usually shy away from because of out of fear, the idea of basically, if it be generalities or the idea of calling out certain things or golden calves that Christians have resurrected in place in a form of idolatry that is not healthy for the church.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_00: And that is going to be an array of different topics, let me tell you.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: From the very fun and probably my absolute favorite would be feminism.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_00: You can have feminism, you have the idea of liberalism, the idea of like really bad doctrine, the idea of egalitarianism or complementarianism, the idea basically that we can all hold hands and sing kumbaya while the church pretty much falls apart at the seams because we are actually joining hands, thinking that we have allies, when in truth the reality they are not our allies.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_00: They are actually enemies of the church itself.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: And these are certain topics that basically the church has adopted freely with open hands, hoping that eventually that it will change the projectory of people that might not have the same kind of biblical view as us.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_00: But the truth is it always comes down to what is biblical, what is true.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_00: And the other part that I really think is going to be a large part of this podcast is the idea that basically politics is about biblical politics.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_00: It isn't the idea that you can compartmentalize your beliefs and think that you can just put them in a box, shove them in the closet, and just forget about them and have it where they're separate from your faith.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_00: I am a strong believer that our politics should reflect our biblical worldview.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of times we like to think that we can actually just separate the two and hope that uh we, as long as we believe in Jesus, that everything is fine.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_00: I will strongly disagree with that.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_00: I think when I see another abortion clinic close down, when I see that they are closing the possibility, as right now in Oklahoma, for the city is rising up to not build a mosque, I say that is victory.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_00: That is biblical politics at work.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, some might say it's like, well, the gospel is enough.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, I would say yes, gospel is key to all of this.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: But the truth is, if someone becomes a Christian, that is the whole point of the gospel.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: We want the Christian influence of our faith to infiltrate every element of our lives, not just the church itself.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: We want to have Christian schools, we want to have Christian leadership, we want to have Christian representatives, senators, and presidents and judges.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_00: The idea that we just try to ignore these things and separate them and think that we cannot have an impact on culture because Satan is the ruler of this world, as I've heard before, or we hear usually that it's gonna continue to get worse and it's gonna get even harder for us to be able to cope as Christians.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_00: The defeatist mentality I reject entirely.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: I do not believe that our worst days are ahead of us.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_00: I believe with God on our side, the best days are ahead of us, and I believe in fighting as if even if it was our last day, we fight to the end.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_00: We do not kill over, we do not roll over and play dead, we do not just sit in our four walls of our church, sing kumbaya, and ignore the chaos that is beyond our borders and pretend like nothing has happened, like the hobbits and Lord of the Rings at the Shire.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_00: And for far too long, I think the church has basically had a shire mentality.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: We acknowledge the evil that's outside of our walls, but we rarely think that we have the ability to change it.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_00: We believe in the gospel, but then we don't believe in applying it to our politics.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_00: And so, what I hope with this podcast, with the goals that I have in mind and my vision, is not only to have it where it's politics itself, but that the biblical Christian beliefs that we have and hold true that they will go forth into the world beyond our own town, city, state, country, and the world.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_00: But I strongly believe that Christianity is the answer to the world's problems.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_00: And if I don't believe that, then I cannot complain when we have it where transgenderism is taught to our kids in school.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's amazing to me that a lot of times the church says, Oh my goodness, I can't believe how bad it's getting out there.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_00: But the truth is the matter is we do not go to basically our town hall meetings.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_00: We do not try to have it where we elect people from our church to represent Christian ethics within the actual town square.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I think this is problematic.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_00: I would challenge this.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_00: Here is an amazing, great idea.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_00: What would it be like if we had it where every single church decided to rally around someone, someone with the passion and the gumption and the fortitude to actually run as a candidate, either that be on a school board or a city council, or perhaps mayor, or maybe even a representative or senator.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_00: If every church actually rallied around someone in their congregation, help that person become elected, what change would we see in our country?
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_00: I think it would be an amazing thing and a good thing, because the truth is, if I asked every Christian, do you believe that Christianity changes the world for the better?
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_00: They would have to, of course, answer yes, absolutely.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_00: But then when it comes to anything in uh the public sphere or within politics or within the powers that be that are either judges or presidents and leaders or mayors or whatever it might be, there's usually this idea that, like, well, that's someone else's job, not ours.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I strongly reject that idea.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think it is helpful.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think it is actually gonna work.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: And it's this idea that some people might think, like, well, are you trying to build a utopian society?
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, look, here's the thing we know that eventually Jesus is going to come back and he is going to clean house.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: At the same time, though, I'm not gonna have it where he arrives and he asked me, What have you been doing this whole time?
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I just shrug and said, Well, we were just hoping that you would just come back sooner.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_00: So we just thought we'd just leave things as they were.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's not loving our neighbor, that's not actually caring about what we believe, it's not believing in the gospel, because basically what you're saying is that the gospel of Christianity, which is why Christians act the way they do, is because of the gospel.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_00: That somehow the idea of legislating morality is basically a lost cause.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I disagree because right now we basically in Texas, I know that a lot of people voted in Texas to pretty much do an all-right band in Texas.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, abortions went down drastically.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: This idea that because of something's illegal, that therefore, well, people are still going to do it, so don't even try to make an effort to change it is kind of silly to me.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_00: Because if that's the case, then I guess if we just made murder legal, there would be less of it.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: Come on, we all know the truth.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_00: We all know that that's a lot of or something newer and it's just not the facts that are at hand.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: So I hope and I pray that the church would realize that we can have an effect, we can actually have a huge impact on the actual world.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes you gotta ask yourself if there hasn't been any example of a lot of Christian leaders in power, perhaps that would actually be a motivating cause of people being open to not only Christianity, because they can see the effects of it.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: If come on, if you asked anyone, would you rather have a country run by consistent atheists or consistent Christians?
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: What would you want?
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: Atheists have a moral code based on whatever they decide it is that day, depending on the weather.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: You're not gonna have it where there's gonna be consistency based on their answers of what is wrong, what is right.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, I'm sure there's tons of people that are terrified in terms of the idea of this is like, so what are you saying?
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna put people in jail if they're not Christian?
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: Of course not.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: But what we will say this is that we do believe that if you look at other countries, they have their own way of life that they adopt based on their faith.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: If you go to United Arab Emires, you have it basically where they believe in Islam and they have their own rules based on the laws, and that's how their country is run.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: People don't go to these countries and expect them to adopt their way or of philosophy.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't believe that America should be any exception.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: America was founded as a Christian nation.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: If you look at any of the forefathers and stuff, and especially of the state constitution, the early state constitutions, many of them had it where you had to proclaim a statement of faith in Christianity or Catholicism for that matter.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: Most were Protestants.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: You had it where basically you had to proclaim that you believed Jesus was actually Lord.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: So this idea that you know this wasn't about the foundation of America is not true.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_00: We have forgotten our history, we have forgotten where we come from, who we are, that we are an Anglo-Saxon, European, white, black nation of its roots, based on who was here originally.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, everyone's gonna say, like, what about the Indians?
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the Indians are a conquered people.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: Moving on from that, basically, I know we always want to say it's stolen land.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's not stolen land.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: You are conquered just like the Indians conquered each other before we even got here.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: This has been going on hundreds of years in the past, over and over and over again, with every type of group.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_00: I know it's hard to believe, but the truth is blacks were not the only ones that were enslaved, and the Jews are not the only people group to have it where they are targeted because they're ethnicity.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: So when we want to kind of just focus and use those as crutches to basically deter people from criticizing certain groups or actually pointing to history that people don't like because they like to keep it all to themselves, that they are the only victims.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: I pretty much don't want to hear it and I don't care.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: So, with all that being said, with all these things that are adding up in our country right now, I think it's just amazing to me that the church just needs some encouragement.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: I think they need to know that, hey, you can be warriors.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: You do not have to be just a person that sits in the pew watching their, you know, communities be basically destroyed through foreign people that come here that do not share our culture, that do not share our faith, do not share our values.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: That is not being anti-Christian, that is being pro-Christian, is what it is, really.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_00: If you love and you believe what you believe is true, you're going to fight for it, you're going to promote it in every element of your life.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_00: We don't argue with the fact if I said, Hey, you should be a Christian as an individual.
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  SPEAKER_00: Everyone has like, okay, sure, that sounds good.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, your family should be Christian.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone would be like, Okay, yeah, that's true.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, can you have a Christian uh community?
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: People would say, Yeah, yeah, of course you can.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so uh why can't you have a Christian nation?
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no, shoot.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: Can't say that.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: You can't say that, Jamin.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: Why?
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: Why not?
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: Because we tend to think that the idea of a Christian nation is somehow like oppressive.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's uh folly to even think of such a thing ever existing.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_00: I I really don't understand why Christianity can infiltrate individually your family, your community, but if it expands past that to be a Christian nation itself, we have a huge fit over.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_00: I don't understand that at all.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody, including a lot of people that are Zionists or dispensationalists, would say Israel is allowed to want Israel to be Jewish, not only in ethnicity, but also in religion.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody bats an eye about eyelash about that.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody even scolds the idea that a lot of Jews want to have it where they marry other Jews.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't quite get the idea that if I say I want America to be American, people probably will put a huge question mark on that and be like, Well, what does that even mean?
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: What do you mean by American?
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well, America was originally an Anglo-Saxon Protestant nation, that's what it was.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: And does that mean that other people can't share in that same belief of different ethnicities?
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, they can.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_00: At the same time, though, we are also wanting to conserve our culture of that.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_00: There is a culture of America.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: I know today it's almost like America has an identity crisis right now because we have become so saturated with other third world countries that have come in here that have pretty much turned the nation completely on its head, it's unrecognizable.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: You can't have it where you go into a store and there's like three or five different languages being spoken all at the same time.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's not a good thing from my perspective.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone thinks it's a great thing.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: I don't.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: I think if I go to France, I don't expect France to start speaking English because I show up.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_00: I think that is a terrible idea.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: Right now, you have it where in England there are parts of England that are no longer going to be English.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_00: Is that a good thing?
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think it would be terrible if I went to Japan and it started to become British.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_00: I honestly would believe that.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: I think the idea of people preserving their culture, their way of life, and their people groups, there is nothing wrong with that.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: Why is it that everywhere else in the world it is okay for people to preserve what they hold dear and what they love, but when it comes to white Anglo Protestants, it is a racist thing to say, I want to preserve white culture, I want to preserve British, I want to preserve Irish or Italian for that matter.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's amazing to me that every time you go to fill out a survey when it comes to race or with ethnicities, whatever you prefer to refer it as, you will always have it where everyone else has way more details explaining different their different group, other than whites.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: It always just says white or Caucasian.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even know what that means.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: Because when I think of Cajun, I think of Cajun food like in you know New Orleans, which is you know kind of a melting pot in itself of different cultures.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_00: You have black, Asian, you have um French as well, as far as Louisiana.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_00: But when you see you know white on the application, you don't see German, you don't see English, you don't see Italian, you don't see Dutch, you don't see French, you don't see Spanish, you know, you don't see any of these other types of ethnicities.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's always just white.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: And the main thing behind that is because of the idea is that you cannot have any this idea that there's no culture in white culture is just ridiculous.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: Whites are the ones that built Europe, whites are the ones that built America.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: Now, of course, there's going to be pushback from that to say, like, well, what about the slaves?
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: A small 3% of people in the United States, I will not say built the United States.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: Agriculturally, sure, I'll give you that.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's what a majority of slaves did.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't build railroads.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: That was the Chinese and Irish, by the way, that came over here.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: And at times we don't even talk about how badly the Irish were treated as well.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't just the blacks.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: At the point, Irish people were used pretty much in place of people's slaves because the jobs were either so dangerous that they didn't care if the Irish people died while doing them.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: And not to mention, they were usually done for very poor wages when they first got here.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people tend to forget the aspect that Irish people, when they came over here, they were called monkey people before the slaves were or black people were called that.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people don't know that, but look that up.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: You'll find a lot of artwork that depicted Irish people as monkey people, which I don't quite understand.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: I don't get it really, but maybe had to do something with their red hair.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: I have no idea.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_00: But there were signs, particularly about the Irish people, that need not apply, and that's how they were treated.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_00: Every ethnic group that, of course, has come over here has face discrimination, ridicule, and a bit of hazing, if you want to call it, in our nation.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: And you could argue is that's good or that's bad, but here's one thing I do not think is wrong.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think it's wrong to have it when people come over here that they should become American.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: You should speak English, you should want to embrace our history, our culture, our way of life.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: If the whole point of you coming to our country, it's because you wanted to become American.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: If you don't want to become an American, don't come to America.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: That's not racist, that's not bigoted, that just makes bloody sense.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: I would not expect anyone if I went over to Botswana and I got there and said, hey, where's the rodeo?
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: Well, of course I wouldn't, because that's not part of their culture.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's not who they are.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: I can't go into a restaurant in Botswana and complain because they don't have apple pie.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's because it's something that is foreign to them, because it is not common to their culture.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: And we have to also acknowledge the fact that not all cultures are equal.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: Some cultures are primitive, they are not the best.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: I remember very specifically a young lady that I knew, and God rest her soul, she's with her Lord and Savior right now, and her name was Agnes, and she was an immigrant, and you know, she told me this was after Trump pretty much called, you know, had it where, you know, he called them like crap hole countries, and I won't say the word.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember talking to her, I was like, What did you think of that?
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, Well, they are.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: They are my country, you know, uh in Tonga, it's it's a crap hole, it's not a great country.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: It is poverty, it's disorganized, there's no infrastructure, there's corruption in the government, it is awful.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: So I think there's this idea, and of course, usually the ones that complain the most about this are usually white liberal women that pretty much have to always like act with this fake virtue signaling.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: As the idea is, look, I'm not racist, I will prove it, I will prove it to you, I will protect you, minority people, with my life because you need me to save you.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's really pathetic.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's really pathetic.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: But the point that I'm trying to make out is that when it comes to America, there is an identity crisis.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: Because I think even in the church, there's this idea that, like, you know, they want to take verses out of context when it comes to the verse of the souljourner and all this stuff.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: But here's the thing that they totally skip.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: The souljourner, when they showed up to Israel, had to still apply by the culture of the Jews.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't that they could come in here and just start like, hey, I'm gonna set up this pagan god.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: Hope you don't mind.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna put this altar over here, guys.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: You don't mind, do you?
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_00: Of course not.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: Are you kidding me?
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: That is not what took.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Place.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody is saying that we shouldn't be hospitable, kind, especially to the poor.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: But there also are rules and regulations when people come into our nation.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm sorry, when someone comes into the nation of our country, they need to do it legally.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: Look, I have been to 33 countries.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: Every country has different rules, regulations.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: And anytime I go before I set foot in those countries, I look up their laws, I look up their customs, I look up things that they find to be either rude or detest.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: I also even look up pretty much the income of people in that country because I know that they probably make less than I do, depending on the country I'm going to.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: So in doing that, I do that as a courtesy to know that, hey, if I buy something over there and I know how much that person makes in US dollars per week, I know that not only am I getting a good deal, but I'm giving them something more that can benefit them as well.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's just being caring as a Christian.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, when I had to go to the Philippines to visit my amazing fiance that I have right now, they had a role that I had to be tested for COVID upon arrival and before.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: Why?
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: Because I'm an American.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: No, I did not.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: Because my respect for the Philippines is what it should be.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: Just that respect.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I do not believe, I don't care what background you are, I don't care where you've been, what hardship you've gone through.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: When you come through our country in an illegal manner, you are already showing disrespect to our nation and to the people here that work hard to take care of it and to keep the oil burning.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: And it's also an insult to those that have gone through the system legally.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: We have it where there are tons of immigrants that have come here.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: And let's just say this too.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: You are not a migrant.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what this migrant crap is, okay?
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: There is no such thing as migrants.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: A migrant is a person that moves from one place to another.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_00: They're not moving, they are basically illegally trespassing into our nation.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: That is not the same thing as being a migrant or an immigrant.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: When my relatives came over here through Ellis Island in Italy, they had to have a sponsor and they had to have a job waiting for them.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: They followed the rules when they came here.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: No handouts, no cell phones.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, they didn't have cell phones back then, but they weren't given anything.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: They worked pretty much from the dust of the ground and built their lives up.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: And my relatives, it was a very big deal for them because when they came to America, they learned English.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: I remember my grandpa Ben, he learned English from reading the newspaper and the Bible, and he would compare it through his Italian Bible.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: That's how he learned English.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: They wanted to be able to assimilate.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: And even though today that is like a dirty word, it is a very important thing.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: I don't understand why you would go to America and not want to become American.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: If you just want our benefits and you want to continue to be the terrible culture that you came from, then don't come here.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: We don't want you here.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: Because what makes our country great is the main reason of why you're coming here in the first place.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: So this whole idea of this guilt trip that we're having right now, currently with immigration, is this idea that because just because someone is poor, we should automatically let them in.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: And some might say that's the Christian thing to do.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: But here's a kicker that people don't consider.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: If you look at the poverty people of these other nations, they make there's like billions of people.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's over five billion people that make less than two dollars per day.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: They don't even have the capacity to immigrate to the U.S.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: if they tried, because they do not have the resources, they're too disconnected, not educated enough.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: Most of the immigrants that we pull from other countries are the most educated.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: We do not pull from the people that are usually the least educated.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: Why?
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: Because we want them to be able to benefit our country with their education level, because it's going to make us more rich.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: If you have someone come in from another country that has no education, no skill levels, what good is that person gonna do?
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: Well, they're just gonna be on the welfare system, which there are some that are on there.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: And to be fair, it's not always just minorities that are on the welfare system.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of whites on there as well, probably the majority.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: But the point is it's not going to be helpful for these other countries.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: When we take the best of their nation, it's called dumbing down the pool, pretty much.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_00: So if, for instance, we take the best doctors and engineers from, let's say, South Africa, then you have no doctors or engineers in South Africa to train people in South Africa to become highly educated to run their country better.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: You're just not gonna have it.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: So the truth is we take in a million people per year in the US.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if that's number has changed.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: It might have changed recently or it might be less.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: But the truth is each time we take people from these other nations, uh, we actually make it way worse.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: Because what we're doing is each time we take the highly educated out of these countries, we add more poverty to that nation because there's less people to pull them out of poverty or to educate them out of it.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_00: So here's the sad reality: immigration does not fix poverty.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: It has never been the main reason of why uh we should just import people because we have the ability.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_00: And another thing I don't agree with, I don't agree with this HB1 visa program either.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: All that we are doing is basically taking people that, yes, they might be educated enough, but one, we're dumbing down those other countries by pulling them from there.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: And we are also taking away jobs from Americans that are already here because we can hire someone from India or from Thailand or whatever that country might be at a cheaper rate than an American.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: So it's no different than basically you have these companies that are shipping their pro programs to other nations to have it where they have factories built in China or Mexico per se.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_00: And the idea is basically like, well, the labor is the most expensive expense for most country uh companies.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: So if you have it then where you can have it where you can assembly, let's say, a watch for$10 rather than$20 in the US because you're paying US wages, well, of course, a company is gonna go for that.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: And HB1 visas are just a different way of doing it, but it's here locally.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: So not only have we shipped jobs overseas for other countries to do that.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: We don't have any manufacturing here in the U.S.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: anymore, we also have it where HB1 visas are basically inviting people over here to take more jobs from Americans.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: And that goes for even immigrants that have actually become citizens of this country, that they're also getting shorthands of the stick.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: The American dream is crumbling and it is rapidly crumbling.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_00: We cannot afford houses and we cannot get a leg up.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_00: And at the same time, there's all these handouts for immigrants, which of course us, the American citizens that were here first, have to pay for.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: So now when you go to the grocery checkout stand, you are not just paying for your groceries, you're paying for the person and the next aisle over and two aisles over and the person behind you.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: So it's not helpful to a system if people are dependent on the system and Americans that have already been here have to fit the bill for it.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_00: You now have it where people are having to pay extra through taxes.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_00: Currently, right now, with my tax bracket, it's about 30% on my paycheck.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: And to top that off, if I want to fill up my gas, that's tax on that.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: If I have it where I want to buy a house, I have to pay property tax.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: If I want to have it where I go even to a thrift store where you have that article of clothing that is was once a time, let's say at Walmart, or brand new, you had to pay tax when you bought it.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: But then it somehow ends up in a thrift store and you have to pay tax on it again.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_00: So you explain to me how is it that something that has already been taxed is taxed again just because you bought it at a thrift store?
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry, I don't think you should have to pay for anything that is used.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_00: But to get back basically to immigration, the thing is Christians have big hearts.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: I get it.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: They want to be able to help people, and there's nothing wrong with that.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: But I just do find it very funny how I hear all the time, whenever I have complaints of government or I think it should be overthrown or changed or people should be thrown out of office, they say, Hey, Jamin, calm down there now.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_00: You gotta you gotta heed to Romans 13.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, okay, fine.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, whenever it comes to immigration, they never squawk and say, like, oh, Romans 13.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: Romans 13, the job of the magistrate is to basically protect its citizens, it is to do good towards their citizens.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people skip the other verses in Romans, they only quote the first one of respecting the governing authorities, and they do not quote the other remaining verses that basically say how government should act in the first place.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_00: They're to do good to their citizens.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: It says specifically in there, if you do good, then you don't have any fear of the government coming after you, right?
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: And that's just a no-brainer.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: If you're following the law, you're being a good citizen, you have no fear of the government.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_00: But it says, Woe to you, if you do good for the uh governing authorities, do not wield the sword in vain.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: So it is basically setting up like, hey, this is how the government is supposed to act, this is how the government's supposed to um carry out their responsibility for their nation.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: And so they are supposed to protect our borders, they're supposed to make sure that anyone that comes into our nation is a friend and not a foe.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: I don't see how that's a wrong way of thinking.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: No one is saying that everyone that wants to come to this country are bad people, but at the same time, I'd like to know who they are and who's coming in.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: And another thing I like to say too, I know there's a lot of Christians with big, huge bleeding hearts, but the truth of the matter is I've seen this before where they'll have surveys where they're talking to people about this very issue, and they'll go up to people and say, Hey, um, you know, we have uh basically, you know, these Somalis and they're needing um housing assistance.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: And usually they'll talk to them first and say, like, you know, do you think that Somalis should be allowed to come to the U.S.?
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, if they're refugees or if they're wanting to immigrate to the U.S.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: And they will always say without hesitation, oh, of course.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_00: And then the survey person will say, like, oh, okay, great.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we would like to have it where uh we're trying to get people to volunteer to have it where they will house a uh immigrant in their house, and they're always like, Oh, oh, I'd love to, but I just can't, I just don't, I just don't have the capacity right now in my home.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: And uh it just would be a huge inconvenience for me.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_00: This is the kind of crackpot idea that you get from the left.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_00: They will always act like they are the ones that care the most for people.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: But the reality is they make it where they push the responsibility onto you, the taxpayer, to cover their bright ideas that they never actually will take their own wallet out and actually put their money where their mouth is.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't want to hear it anymore.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to hear people say, like, oh, these poor people are getting deported, they're poor getting deported.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, yeah, they are.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: And the reason why is because they broke the law.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_00: And I think for Christians, we tend to think that like if someone comes to this country illegal, that they're not a criminal.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: Well, they are.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_00: So I think any Christian that harbors an illegal is sinning because you're not following Romans 13.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_00: If we would be honest with ourselves and we said, hey, if you are speeding, willfully speeding and not paying attention, you are breaking the law, even it's a small thing.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's about honoring God in the small things.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: This isn't about the idea that you're not trying to be charitable or that somehow idea that you think that an immigration law is the same as like the civil rights movement.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: Is that how we're kind of viewing this right now?
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like the idea that, like, you know, standing up to the governing authorities because they're not allowing blacks to vote.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_00: That is not the same thing that is happening right now.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: These people are not even citizens of this country.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: They don't, they are not owed the same rights as the nation offers to its citizens.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: If you are not a citizen, you do not get due process, you do not get apos corpus, you do not get the whole Miranda rights.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't work that way.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: If you are here illegal, you are shipped out, gone, taken back to wherever you came from.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_00: And you can come back if you wish, but you have to do it legally.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, I would say no.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: I would make it where if you came into this country legal, you never can come back.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_00: Period.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_00: You've already shown that you don't respect our laws to begin with, so why would I want you as a person to be in our nation?
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's just a fair assessment.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think if any person had a house and someone let's say broke into their house because and made themselves a sandwich and slept on their couch, and then they come home to observe that this has taken place.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure they would call the cops, I'm sure they would get the person arrested, and the person would be thrown in jail.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: And let's just say hypothetically, they get a lovely letter from the government that says, Hey, we wanted to know if you would actually house the person that broke into your house and that you would take him in and feed him.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: No one in their right mind would say, Okay, I'll do it.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_00: You wouldn't.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: You wouldn't.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: Why?
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: Because you have already been violated and disrespected by that person.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_00: You don't trust that person.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: You don't believe that person has good intentions.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_00: Whether it be the factor that they needed the food in your house and a place to sleep, that's besides the point.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's about respect and honoring your home.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I do believe that our country should be no different than that.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know why this is so hard to understand, to be honest.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's just baffling to me that so many times as Christians, we are guilt tripped into thinking that somehow we cannot have boundaries in terms of not only boundaries, but actually requirements and expectations for people that we help.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: I honestly believe in organizations that not only help people to have a full stomach and a warm blanket to sleep at night, but I care more about organizations that also focus on the gospel solely because bad behavior is going to continue without a regenerated heart.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the truth.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why I do believe that we need more Christian influence in a lot of our nation, especially when it comes to immigration.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: Because look, right now I'm going through the process right now with my fiance.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: I applied for a fiance visa, and that was March of last year.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: So it has been a long process.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's been difficult, it's been expensive as well to pay a lawyer fee, all the filing that goes down.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_00: So it's really, I would say before that, I really did have a probably bigger heart for people that wanted to come here for a better life, and even those that came here illegally.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: But I think at this point, when I'm going through the process myself, I say, no, no, I'm sorry.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_00: You're not respecting not only those that have come here legally, but the truth is you're not respecting the country as a whole.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: And let's just be honest, some people, it's just a part of reality.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_00: I know we all want to have it where eventually poverty will just not exist anymore, and that all countries will be good and all countries will look out for the best interests of their citizens, but that's just not reality, it's not going to happen.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: So the idea that somehow, like, the US is like, well, we don't have the resources to fix the world.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_00: Honestly, the truth is, I think until America fixes itself, we cannot fix the other parts of the world.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: It is gonna be impossible.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: It really is going to be impossible.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's no different than a father that decides to feed the neighbor's kids before he feeds his own family.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_00: It is irresponsible, reckless, and just downright, in a way, wicked because it truly shows where your love is.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's not for your own blood, it's basically for your neighbor before yourself.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: And granted, to love your neighbor as yourself, you take care of yourself.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's just like it goes back to scripture where it talks about you love your wife like your own flesh.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think countries should be the same way.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think the nation and the rulers, as it says in Romans 13, should look out for what's best for its citizens first.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why I do believe in America first.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_00: Not necessarily America only, although I do believe currently, right now, I think we should focus on America only for a time being.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_00: Because there are far too many problems that we have here at home that need to be fixed and dealt with before we can actually be stable enough to help everyone else.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_00: Then if we want to shift back to America first, where there's possibilities of helping other nations in different ways that also benefit us, I have no problem with that.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody is against the idea of investing in other nations that might also benefit us in some way, either that be an exchange through uh loans that help us to have minerals or, you know, manufacturing in those countries, whatever that might be.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_00: But I think we all would agree, though, that like people do need to realize that America became what it was because we fought for it.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: We actually spilt blood for it.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_00: And it came at a great cost.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: And we have forgotten that.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_00: It saddens me so much to know that my, I don't want to even think of the fact that my what my grandfather went through in Korea, that it was all for nothing.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: I refuse to believe that.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: I refuse to believe that America cannot rise above the occasion and become what it once was, which is a beacon of light for the whole world.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_00: But not just a beacon in the sense that people can come here for a better life, but maybe a beacon of life to inspire other countries to become just as successful and Christian as we once were.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I want.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I think is actually going to change the world.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_00: Not the idea of just flooding everyone to America and then eventually everything will fix itself.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: I don't believe that.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: Because in doing that, you are basically flooding the markets, flooding the resources that we do not have for everyone.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's just not practical.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_00: Every house at some point will run out of resources if you're not careful of how many people you allow to live on your own home.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: There's not enough beds, there's not enough food to go around, there's certainly not enough, you know, even personal space for that matter, as well.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_00: Now, granted, okay, I've driven through a lot of the West, and there's plenty of room for people to live.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: But the practical reality is not a lot of people want to live in Kansas, you know, no offense to people in Kansas.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_00: It is an important state, not just a flyover state.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: I just want to let you know that because I don't want you to get all upset.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: But the truth is there's just not a lot of people that live out there because it's not a part of like civilization.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: There's smaller towns and that's just their way of life.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_00: I find it honestly amazing and fascinating because you'll have it where you go 100 miles before you see a house.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's pretty crazy.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: But all it being said, I just believe this.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_00: I want this podcast to be pro-Christianity, pro-America, and pro-Christian nationalism because I believe in it.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: I believe the answer is that our gospel and our Christianity should infiltrate every element of our lives, not just our personal lives and not just the church.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_00: I believe Christianity is what's good with the world.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_00: I believe in Christianity is what's best for America because that's why it became the nation that it currently is.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why we have so much power, and that's why we have so many resources, and that's why we at one point.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I just would love to have it.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I hate the fact that you know, the largest skyscrapers right now are in Saudi Arabia, it's going to be the next one.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_00: I want us to have the best.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_00: I want us to start building again bridges, huge skyscrapers.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_00: I want people to be inspired.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like, wow, the U.S.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_00: is doing what?
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_00: They actually pulled that off, and that's right.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_00: That's what we are.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_00: We're the ones that built the Hoover Dam, the Golden Gate Bridge, the Empire State Building.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_00: We have built amazing things.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_00: We've gone to the freaking moon, and I don't care what you people say, all you conspiracy theories out there, anyway.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_00: But the point is that we have done so much for the world, okay?
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_00: We have basically fought for so much good in the world.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_00: And there's also, sure, the past of certain things that we could have done better.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, I'm proud to be a Christian.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_00: I'm proud to be an American.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm proud of my ethnicity and my background as an Irish, Scottish Italian, all right.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I won't shame from it and I won't apologize for it.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_00: The truth is, there's nothing wrong with being white, Christian, and male.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: And that really is what everyone is fighting against the status quo of all three of those.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I am unapologetic.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_00: I believe in it, and I'm not going to back down.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I hope that I can not only be a voice of truth on this podcast, but I also want to be a voice to encourage and get you guys stoked.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_00: I want to get you guys fired up.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: I want you guys to, after listening, you feel like, wow, that inspired me to do more than I'm doing right now.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_00: Because honestly, hard work, dedication, there's nothing that can stop you when you focus on those two things and you put God first above all.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: I thank you all for tuning in.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate everything that you guys are doing out there as Americans working hard.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I know at some times you feel that you want to give up, but I'm telling you this right now.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want you guys to give up.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_00: I want you guys to keep fighting.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_00: I want you guys to actually realize that, hey, there's something bigger than yourselves out there, and I don't want you to think that you are alone.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: And so I hope that you've enjoyed this podcast.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_00: There's many more to come, and I want you guys to know that you are loved, prayed for, and appreciated.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_00: Keep fighting the good fight, and don't ever back down.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_00: I am Jamie McKeever, this is the Goon Tavern, and I'm here to not only poke demons in the eye, but to kick them in the balls.