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• speaker-0: Welcome to Track Side with Maddie Mooney. I'm Maddie Mooney and today's conversation is with Roshin Willis. Rosheen is one of the US's most dominant 800 meter women across her time as a high schooler, a collegiate, and now in the professional ranks. I love Roshin for her honesty and her vulnerability and talking about how these transitions through the sport weren't always easy. And she shares tips about how she managed her mental health and got through these these different levels in the sport. Thank you for tuning in and I hope you enjoy today's episode. And here she is. Hi Rashin, welcome to the show. speaker-1: Hi, thank you so much for having me. speaker-0: So how are you? How has your your summer been? What's going on in your life? speaker-1: It's been good. ⁓ yeah, lots of travel. I'm kind of in the middle of my first professional season, so everything's been very new and different. ⁓ I'm now living and training in Boston, so ⁓ lots of big changes for me, but it's all been very fun. speaker-0: Yeah, that is a big change for you from growing up in Wisconsin and then living in California and now to Boston, you're kinda hitting every area of the US. speaker-1: Yeah, ⁓ new coast for me, but I feel like Boston's a great fit and it's cool that running has taken me so many amazing places. So yeah. speaker-0: So are you done with your summer season right now or are you do you still have more races planned ⁓ this year? I still speaker-1: Still well it's all a little bit up in the air. I'm you know currently in for the world ultimates but it could be subject to change based on world rankings. So hoping to do maybe one or two more good races in Europe ⁓ but a little bit, you know, up in the air of exactly what that'll be. ⁓ but yeah, just trying to finish out the season strong and, you know, hopefully see what I can do over there. speaker-0: it's so exciting. The Wor World Ultimate is such a cool concept. Like I'm very excited to to be a fan of that and watch it play out, and I hope you're there. speaker-1: Yeah, I feel like I mean I went to obviously World Championships last year and that was so big and this is a little bit a bit of a smaller field but so I think it'll be a really cool event and it's very condensed. So I think it should be exciting for the fans as well. So speaker-0: some. Well, in this conversation I was hoping we could talk a about how you were an elite runner as a high schooler, an elite runner at the college level, and now an elite runner at the professional stage, which is hard to do. It's hard to be very good from the get go and then keep that going throughout your your whole career. You know, you see you see it not happen w way more often than not. So, ⁓ yeah, I think a lot of our viewers would appreciate ⁓ the insight on kind of like how you were able to do that. So do you mind could you just give like a quick summary of Kind of where you grew up and went to high school, where you went to college and who you're training with now. Yes. speaker-1: well, I grew up in a small town in Wisconsin, Stevens Point. ⁓ it's like right in the middle of the state. ⁓ I kind of somewhat grew up with track and field. Like USATF puts on a lot of little meats, so I kinda grew up doing that. And track was the sport I always just liked the most. ⁓ and then, you know, went to s high school at SPASH or Stevens Point area senior high. and Yeah, I feel like that's when I really started to love the sport even more because it was my first time like being on a really big track team, getting to do relays. ⁓ like I always loved doing the four by four in high school. and then, you know, high school track was a great experience and then so offered a scholarship to Stanford, so I moved to California. and yeah, I ran there for th I ran collegiate leave for three years, still in my senior year at Stanford. ⁓ but I left actually ten weeks early 'cause I had finished my classes and I had made I'd already b started a professional season but needed a professional setup. So I moved to Boston in March of this year and started training with New Balance Boston and Mark Coogan ⁓ as my coach. And yeah, and now I was able to go back and graduate from Stanford, but now I'm kind of fully rooted here in Boston and professional full time. speaker-0: Very nice and it seems like it's going very well for you so far based off of y how your first year as a pro has gone. ⁓ so when we think about back when you were a high schooler and you first started running, did it come to you pretty naturally? Like did you like try start out running and you were like, Hey, I'm pretty I'm pretty good at this. speaker-1: say a little bit. I mean I always I kind of like like to do the sprints a lot so I do the hundred, two hundred and four hundred and at a certain point I kinda realized like I didn't really have the knack for the one hundred and two hundred. As much as I wanted to, I wasn't like as I kinda got older I couldn't quite keep up. ⁓ the four hundred I was a little bit better at and then I would do cross country in the fall and that was always really hard for me. Like I like sometimes I'd have a you know, a good one but that was definitely didn't feel like it came naturally. I the longer races were really, really hard. ⁓ it was super taxing on my body. ⁓ but I feel like once I kind of found the eight hundred and like kind of realized that that was kind of my sweet spot and ⁓ I felt like I had a bit of a knack for it, but at the same time like I did find a lot of moments of frustration and kind of long periods of time where I struggled to see the results I wanted. So yeah, I feel like it kinda ebbs and flows, especially with track. There's so many different events to try. It takes a while to find, you know what you're good at. speaker-0: that's actually so real. I can relate to the cross country version of that so hard like as somebody who also runs the eight hundred, like I can relate so hard to being like, I feel like I should be good at at this, but I'm just like speaker-1: It's just not good for us. Yes. speaker-0: I'm like cut out the grass, cut out the hills, like just stick to the flat track. ⁓ So obviously you're multi-time national champion at various meets and stuff as a high schooler and had a ⁓ a lot of success there. When you went from when you found like you find the eight hundred and it's your bread and butter and now you're getting a scholarship to Stanford. What was that like going from being a high school runner who was one of the best? I mean, you won the U U twenties, you know, as a youth athlete, to going to the college scene. Was it what you expected? speaker-1: I mean I knew that like the N C double A was going to bring, you know, another layer of intensity and you know, like as a high schooler like I had seen the times that people were running in were running in the NCAA when I was still in high school and I like, Okay, so I know I'm gonna be somewhat competitive when I go into this. ⁓ but I didn't kind of realize like the intensity and how t I think taxing it is to be in that system. Like the one thing with high school is like I spend a lot of meets throughout the year just kinda running in places like thirty minute, like a thirty minute drive, you know, from my house or like in smaller meets where I could run any event I wanted or you know, it's more kind of time trial-esque. But now in college, like every two weeks you're getting on a plane, you're running in really competitive races, ⁓ sometimes like in training cycles where your body's still really tired and so you you wanna run really well because you're in a really competitive meet, but you're not quite ready to peak. And so I found that like just a lot, you know, running races in January that were really like national class competitive. and you know, I was like, whoa, this is this is earlier and all new and everything was kinda happening so fast and I think every meet just had a level of intensity that maybe I was I d wasn't quite ready for every two weeks. So I think that was a big adjustment and N C double A's is a very intense meet for my in my experience, so ⁓ you know, going into that twice a year was kind of a loss. speaker-0: Yeah, I actually remember that too from when I first started out in college because I'd race a lot as a high schooler, but you didn't have to I guess w when you're one of the like top people in the state, you don't have to race all out every single time at the high even though you are racing out as high schooler compared in the college scene, it's like a hundred percent every time to c because that's just how good everybody is. You don't really have a choice. So as you go through speaker-1: Yes. speaker-0: your freshman year. Do you remember like face or do you remember like how you f how you dealt with some of these just like with how much work it felt like, you're probably missing school to go to these meets, like what were some of your tools that you used to help cope with this this first year of, dang, this is this is the NCAA? speaker-1: Yeah, I mean, as far as kind of juggling like well like academics and athletics was one thing. And that was one thing I thought I actually did a pretty good job of. Like, I just was smart of like not to put too much on my plate, you know, during the track season, especially like with Stanford classes, like there's just I mean I felt like the expectation to, you know, perform well and do well. I wanted to like show up and do well in those classes. So I was very careful about what I put on my plate, 'cause I knew I was gonna have to prioritize track in some way, but I also cared about my education. So I feel like staying really organized. ⁓ you know, every single flight th I had to have my laptop out the entire time. Like you ju I just had to work through those so I could, you know, on a competition day I didn't have to do homework and things like that. but I will say like I mean I think it was kind of a lot for me, like the whole experience and you know, after I finished my freshman year I was quite tired from it all and I don't think I handled it all perfectly and I you know, I didn't get everything I want wanted and I you know, maybe wasn't the glorious experience I was hoping for, but I did kind of learn a lot like through those challenges and you know, just kind of succeeding in some areas and not others and figuring out how to like find that balance through everything. speaker-0: Yeah, one of my friends in the professional world also ran at Stanford. ⁓ and she has talked to me before about how, you know, it's just such a prestigious place to go to school and the pressure she felt to always be doing more because people at Stanford were always doing internships or they were volunteering in the lab or, you know, whatever. And she felt like as an athlete who so much time was taken up for running, like she still felt all this pressure to I need to add more and more and more to like keep up with all of my night like school meets. So I imagine that was like overwhelming to be traveling to meets and missing several days of school and I I mean in this day and age you have to go to you know, you're maybe going from like Stanford to Boston frequently to do some indoor reason. You you're going far. So yeah, it's definitely definitely could be quite a lot. do you ⁓ sorry, I lost my note here. so you won N C A's in your freshman year, freshman indoor season. How did that change your mindset going into the rest of your college career after that? Like d did that give you more confidence or was that like a pressure builder for you? speaker-1: Yeah, that that was definitely a weird, I would say, experience for me. I mean, it all kind of just happened that whole indoor seating happened so fast and you know, all of a sudden like, you know, I I had one and I feel like i i it wasn't really great for my brain in a lot of reasons because like one, everything just happened so fast I didn't really have a moment to like appreciate it. Like I flew back to school and then got right back into class as everything was happening so fast. So I never really like I feel like got to enjoy that moment and I never really realized I don't think I realized like, you know, what it takes to win an N C A title and granted back then I think you know it's a little bit deeper now in the N C double A. It's it's grown a lot in the eight hundred but I didn't really appreciate that moment and then I like it felt like two days later all the pressure was to like win it again. And that that was kind of a lot for me and I think when I went to my out to outdoor N C double A's like I finished fourth and it felt like I had like failed and like that that's just not enough. Like it was win or nothing. And so I think it was hard because it felt like going into a lot of these every meet I ran it was win or nothing because I had won the big thing and so I think I had to do a lot of work to like undo that like lens I had through the sport and through the NCAA and I think like then my next year I encountered a lot more challenges and it made me like a lot more grateful and appreciative of like, you know, what it takes to get there and ⁓ you know, what that means to me and so I think Yeah, it definitely was a lot for my like eighteen year old brain at the time to process and I wish I had a appreciated it more, but it kinda just you know, I I went in ranked number one and it felt like okay I have to just do this. That's you know, what's expected and so and I felt like I didn't appreciate it what it really meant. So yeah, it was definitely kind of a complicated thing for me. speaker-0: I mean I can only imagine 'cause when I think back to when I was eighteen and I was a freshman college or even as a high schooler, ⁓ I really had my identity wrapped up in my in the sport. And so I can only imagine being on that level and winning NCAAs, how much it felt like, well, I have to be number one every single time now. Mm-hmm. So did you what was what were ways you coped with that as you went through you know, as you went through the outdoor season or maybe into into your sophomore year? How did you kinda get over some of those times when you felt like you were you were failing. Like to hear that you got fourth and you felt like that was a failure, like that made my like my heart break like hearing that's insane. Yeah. speaker-1: It's my heartbreak too. Yeah, I mean, it took a lot of like it was a really long process to like kind of have more acceptance and joy and things other than, you know, the title or, you know, what place I got at N C double A's and I my sophomore year I came back to that meet and I didn't make the final and that was like, ⁓ my good like y it just I f that was even more shattering. I'm like, ⁓ wow, I was sad about fourth and now I haven't even I didn't even make the final. and so that was kind of a just like a hard place to be like, okay, now I've gotta ha work towards getting out of wherever I am right now and then Outdoors had somewhat of a comeback and had a lot more joy in that moment. ⁓ you know, I I didn't win, I got second, but I was just, you know, really grateful to have made it back to the final and so I had a little bit more appreciation for like what it takes to get there and you know what that means to me. ⁓ but I definitely still like had my identity wrapped up in sport a lot. and after my sophomore year, like I took like five weeks off from running because I just felt like it was just taking so much out of me physically and mentally and I I didn't really know how I felt about the sport anymore. I was like, this isn't really bringing me a lot of joy. And so took a lot of time off and then when I kinda came back into things like my expectations were kinda just to find, you know, a relationship with running that felt right. rather than like the goal being like win everything, like try and make some team, something like that. So that was kind of my priorities coming into twenty twenty five. And so yeah, I got third at indoors and it like the first time it felt like the world wasn't ending and I was like content with that but still hungry and then I think when I came to my junior outdoor season and ran that N C double A's, it was like I finally had like put the pieces together of like how to make my relationship with the sport, you know, one that's competitive and I'm striving to be excellent but not one that's like draining on my identity. And so I think going to that meet and like winning that and feeling I like won it the right way in a way that wasn't didn't feel like I had to do it. It felt like something just like for for me. ⁓ and so I think that was like a really good kind of comeback. But I mean it took two years and I feel like I'm still, you know, working on that every day to not like make sport, you know, my identity and everything about me. Right. speaker-0: It's it's interesting hearing you talk about this as someone who has like, you know, a fan of the sport and is therefore a fan a fan of you and has followed you through your career because like my I've never thought of you as anything other than like one of the best eight hundred meter runners. And so I like I don't even remember that you didn't make the final event. You know what I mean? Like it feels like it's such a big thing, but it's like your track career or your track story's not over, like there's always, you know, another year or more races. most of the time. And And also also just like I'm drawing on my own experiences here a little bit, but I think about my first year out of like my transition from college to professional and I really struggled with ⁓ I just like I really struggled in that year. I felt like I was really fit, but none of my races were were like reflecting that at all. Like I was running s like like times I ran as a high schooler, even though I'd d done all college and now it was like running after college. and I thought if I just like wait until next season maybe it'll work again and it and it didn't. And it really took me taking a step back and being like, this Actually it doesn't matter that much. Like I'm just like running is something I do. It's not who I am and like having fun with it. And that was when I finally was able to start getting like my kick back again and like getting into it again. So, ⁓ yeah, I appreciate you be like being vulnerable and sh and sharing that. ⁓ which I know that you have talked publicly and like posted on Instagram before about your about your mental health struggles throughout ⁓ your college career. Were those tied to this th that time period where you felt like you needed to take a step back from from the sport or is this was a it kind of like a separate entity? speaker-1: I mean honestly at the point where I wanted to take a step back was a little bit related. I think I had actually made a lot of progress in my own mental health by that point, but I think I was pretty exhausted of kind of working t through those two things at the same time. And I think my freshman year, like a lot of I I had pretty bad like insomnia, so I was struggling with sleep a lot my freshman year and so that kind of just multiplied everything by a lot. So everything I was feeling emotionally times like not sleeping well just kind of made everything spiral out of control. And so I think, you know, by the time I got to my end of my sophomore year I'd done sleep therapy and I was sleeping again. But I think that whole it was probably like six to eight I mean more like eight to ten months of like just trying to work on that and it just is pretty exhausting and then to put you know, trying to compete at like the being the top in the US is just a lot and I think I was just exhausted. And and then also like when you go through kind of more personal struggles, like, kinda realize like what's more important in life and I just was like, man, like this chocolate thing is just taking so much out of me and I and I know it doesn't even really matter all that much. Like there's so many more things that are really important in life and, you know, how much do I really care about this? It seems like it's taking a lot from me. So I feel like it took, you know, a lot more time from then to kind of figure out, okay, how can I, you know, make sport that's something good and it adds to my life. Like how do I use this, you know, in a positive way? How do I, you know, bring good things into this world and bring good into me by doing this sport. ⁓ and so I feel like I was able to somewhat figure that out in a way and I'm still kind of figuring out how I wanna approach sport the best way. But ⁓ yeah, I think there was definitely a period that was you know, I was like, Is this something I really wanna do? But it was unrelated to kinda all those struggles that piled along my freshman year. speaker-0: Right, yeah. No, that makes sense. It's kinda w when it rains it pours, I swear. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: ⁓ do ⁓ you have any advice or anything you would say to ⁓ somebody who's maybe in maybe in college and they have access to some ⁓ sports psychs or therapists now or maybe they're trying to find one on their own, like like anything that you would say to someone to encourage them, like how this could be be helpful and useful for for their time, both in li in life or and or in sport as well. speaker-1: Yeah. I mean I'm definitely someone who I mean, I was in sports psych within a month of my freshman year all the way till the very end and then just restarted like a couple of weeks ago. So I'm definitely a big fan of sports psych. ⁓ but my biggest advice is be patient because like even like in our practices like in sport, like you don't get like better in like one practice or one easy run or one workout. And it's the same thing with sports psych, like it takes a lot of time. And I even found like my first month or two like just hard and like confusing and not really like that enjoyable all the time. Like not because like it was there's anything bad going on, but it just you know sometimes to wear through those problems cognitively is just a lot and it can be confusing. And so Finding someone who you really trust and can work through those things with, I think, is really important. And also have patience with it. Like you're not like you might, you might, I don't wanna like say, you know, what anyone's experiences will be like, but you know, it's not like a wow moment in the first session where you figure everything out or even within three sessions. Like it takes time and I think you will find progress just being able to talk through things with someone, whether or not you leave with some epiphany or not. And so I think just stay patient with it. I feel like I've had times where I feel like I've made no progress and then I then I take time to look back and where I've gone and I'm like, wow, I've actually made so much mental progress. ⁓ and sometimes we don't realize that as much as we should. speaker-0: That's great advice and I wish somebody had given me that advice because I when I was younger because the first time I visited to a sport I went to a sports psych, I was like ten minutes into the session and I decided like this is I already know all this stuff, like this isn't like it's just not a fit for me. And then I was suggested to try like journaling and so the first like I tried to journal and I was just like, meh, like this feels silly, like this isn't for me. And it's funny because once I like finally came back and committed to those things and had patience with them, now they're like regul both are regular parts of of my return. As just like a person in life. Like it started out being for running, but now it's just for like my day-to-day, like being being like a mentally like very health healthy in the mentals, like on my day-to-day. So that's ⁓ that's great advice. Okay, so now you're in Boston. what were you looking for based on like what you knew from going from high school to college and what that transition was like? What were some key things you were looking for when when picking who your sponsor was gonna be and who your team like what team and coach you were gonna sign with as a professional athlete? speaker-1: Yeah. Well, I feel like I've always had like a relationship with New Balance. I was an NIL athlete with them in college and so, you know, that they really like were very supportive through all of those ups and downs, especially in twenty twenty four, which is was just kind of a frustrating year for me as an athlete. Just really didn't see the results that, you know, I wanted and so, you know, to have like people that really just support you through thick and thin, like I even though I really wasn't like like I I was actually running for Stanford and I would run in a new balance kit once a year, but they really just, you know, were there for me, like supported me even when, you know, the results were really not what I wanted. And they had, you know, so many athletes who are winning Olympic gold medals and doing all these things. Like ⁓ they just really supported me through that. So I kind of, you know, you remember that, you know, the people who are there for you, during like the lows and the highs. And so that was really important to me and I feel like I have a lot of trust with them and you know, I had some interest in New Balance Boston but I, you know, hadn't talked to Mark too much until my senior year and just like the first call on the phone, like he didn't talk about any like he didn't talk about workouts, he didn't like he maybe talked about maybe some bigger goals down the line, but he said like first and foremost my number one priority is that you're happy because I know like you won't like everything is just better when you're happy. Like you will run well if you're happy, but that's the first thing we have to focus on and For someone to just kind of slow down and have that perspective was really important for me. So I really kind of had some value and trust there and then we kind of hashed out some more details of, you know, like what it would would be like if I were to join this team. And they've added a lot of young girls and so we're all in our first like we're all in our rookie year and so to have like people my age to train with, ⁓ who I feel like bring out the best in me. on the track like is really great and so and I also love Boston. I think it's a good fit and I kind of knew that like, yes, like running professional team that's all very important, but like you also are a person living in a place and you only go to practice like three to four hours a day. And so being in a place that I feel comfortable and happy, ⁓ is also very important. So yeah. speaker-0: ⁓ that's awesome. ⁓ have you have you had any challenges that you didn't expect in this rookie year? speaker-1: Yeah, I I mean at first it you know, it was really, really great. My indoor season was very exciting and the move to Boston all went really smoothly. but I think it has been a lot to just be thrown into the professional realm, especially the women's eight hundred is quite competitive right now and so I think the h biggest thing for me is like working on comparison and I think, you know I came in really gangbustered of like really wanting to do all this stuff, like training really hard and you know, I have to also remember like what's right for me right now and I think that's been more of an adjustment to realize like I can't bite off more than I can chew this year. Like I need to focus on, you know, what's right for me and not be looking at what everyone else is doing and you know, obviously I have those goals to, you know, be running fast times like everybody else, but I have to kind of foc stay focused on my own path and I think For a while I got a little bit lost from that and that you know, you can only like you have to focus on your own journey, you can't focus on anyone else's and so I think that's been a big thing for me to like stay grounded in and kinda just focus on what's going on in my circle rather than tuning into everything because with track there's like a meet every like two days it seems like and it's just impossible to like always be keeping up and so just from trying to like tune out things and like focus on me and you know when the right time for me comes like it'll come. So speaker-0: Yeah, that's I like hearing that because when you think about it, like track is your career, it's your job. And but for I mean for most people, like myself and most people listening to this, track is ⁓ running is like your hobby. And you don't have to be doing your job or your hobby at all hours of the day. You know, like every time like every time there's a meet on, you don't need to be tuned into it. So yeah. And the comparison thing is so real, like I still struggle with that, especially like I find myself being like, I beat that girl like I used to be that girl three years ago and now like she's running this time and that time and then I'm like, Maddie, this is you're on your own your own wavelength here. You can't be comparing in that way. So yeah. It it's it's refreshing to hear like even somebody as talented as you also like everybody everybody does it and everyone should try not to do it. speaker-1: Yes. speaker-0: So w what would you say your rose in your thorn has been of your professional career this far? Like your so like one of the your best things in something that like maybe didn't go well or was ⁓ a like a challenge ⁓ in this first year? speaker-1: let's see, Rose. ⁓ my first Diamond League experience was like pretty magical. I really enjoyed that. I got to go to Sweden. I was with like my teammates, which was really fun. and just like really had an exciting experience. I always wondered what it'd be like, you know, when you go to one of those really big meets and I'd be in a really a competitive race like that. But I honestly had a lot of fun and kind of surprised myself, which was really awesome and ⁓ yeah, that was a ver I've always like you know, it's always like a life dream that like I got to like do a diamond league and so for that to happen was really cool. Thorne, I would say like ⁓ I would say parts of this summer have been challenging and just been dealing with like low energy issues like speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: blow iron and things like that and so has been a bit challenging to, you know, get up and train hard and has been a little bit frustrating like not having my body where I need it to be and so trying to kind of push through that has been a bit difficult but hopefully coming out on the other side of that. But ⁓ you know you always think like everything's gonna be smooth sailing and you'll do this, that and the other, but roadblocks come in the way sometimes and you just have to figure out how to navigate them. So yeah. speaker-0: The Diamond Light Diamond League Grace seems like it must have been such a fun experience and I love that you have teammates that you can that you're like friends with. So it's like going to these places and traveling and visiting a new area is like that much more fun because of the people that you're around. Yeah. ⁓ yeah, thanks for sharing those. Those are awesome. Alright, just two more quick questions before we wrap up. in your career from like the whole time high like could be high school, college, and any time this year, what is one moment that you're most proud of yourself for? Yeah. speaker-1: honestly like taking a step back, I feel like that's sometimes like the hardest thing to do as an athlete. And I feel like that was honestly the biggest turning point into like what these past two years have been because I think if I hadn't taken that step back I still would have been on this like nonstop roller coaster of, you know fear and anxiety and stress and you just putting my identity in sport and so I think, you know, being able to like advocate that I, you know, needed time off and time for myself, I think that was that was like a pretty big moment for me. So I would say that. I guess it's a little bit unique and not like a track time, but I don't know, that's what came to mind. speaker-0: No, that's I mean that's awesome. You should be proud of that. Like that's hard to do. So that is awesome. And what advice would you give to a young athlete who's going through a transition right now, whether new coach, new school, new level, ⁓ what would you tell them if they're they're struggling with it? speaker-1: Yeah. I would say like just like take a moment to figure out like what is truly important to you, like and also what makes you you because I think in times of big change, like we can often find ourselves trying to morph ourselves into the new environment we're in. And I always found like that created the most like I don't know, unhappiness for me because I'm becoming someone I'm not in order to mold into the new space I'm in. But the more like authentically you show up as yourself in, like the more I think, you know, joy you have, the more like real friendships you make. And so I think like figuring out like what your values are, like how you want to show up in a space, regardless of what everyone else is doing around you, I think like that will help you make the easiest transition because You can't change like the external circumstances that are changing around you, but you can focus on like what's happening inside you and so I think having like a strong sense of who you are in that I think can really help. speaker-0: Wow, that's awesome. Well that that is all we have for today. Thank you for being honest and open and and sharing this with with people. I know it does make a difference hearing somebody of your level just like be so genuine and real with ⁓ with these kind of topics. So thanks for for chatting with me today. speaker-1: Yeah, thank you so much Maddie. I loved being on. speaker-0: And good luck the rest of the season. I can't wait to watch you. Thanks for tuning in to this episode with Roshin Willis. If you'd like to watch more of Track Side with Maddie Mooney, visit Athletic or RunnerSpace online, or tune in on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. And if you know anyone, or you yourself would be a good fit for this show, email me at maddie.mooney at athletic.net. speaker-1: Thanks so much.