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- Lucas: So last week I was re-reading the annual report for Hermès — not exactly beach reading, I know — and one number jumped out at me. Their operating margin in 2025 was 41.6 percent. Luna: Forty-one point six? That's nearly double what LVMH reports for its fashion and leather goods division. Lucas: Exactly. And Hermès isn't some tiny atelier anymore — they did over 14 billion euros in revenue. The question is: how does a company that sells physical goods, in a sector known for fickle trends, maintain a margin that would make a software company jealous? Luna: And more to the point — why can't anyone copy them? We've talked about LVMH's luxury moat in episode 11, but Hermès plays a completely different game. Lucas: They do. And it starts with something almost perverse in modern business: they deliberately refuse to meet demand. Hermès caps production of its most famous bag, the Birkin, at roughly 70,000 units per year. Globally. That's not a supply constraint — it's a strategic choice. Luna: Right — because if you make more, you dilute the exclusivity. But that's not really a moat, is it? Any brand can choose to make fewer bags. Lucas: True, but the moat isn't the cap itself — it's the system that makes the cap sustainable. Hermès doesn't just limit output; it also destroys excess inventory. They literally burn unsold goods or cut the logos out of bags that don't sell to prevent them from reaching the grey market. Luna: Wait, they destroy unsold inventory? That's not just scarcity theatre — that's an operating philosophy. Lucas: It is. And it only works because their products are so vertically integrated that they control every step. Hermès owns 52 production sites, including silk farms in Brazil, crocodile farms in Australia, and a crystal factory in France. They even produce their own zippers. Luna: So they're not just a brand — they're a supply chain empire. That's a cost moat too, because they don't pay markups to third-party suppliers. Lucas: Exactly. Most luxury houses outsource production to Italian or Portuguese workshops. Hermès keeps everything in-house. That gives them control over quality, obviously, but also over cost. Their gross margin is around 70 percent, and a big chunk of that comes from owning the means of production. Luna: But that's capital-intensive. It takes years to train an artisan to hand-stitch a Birkin — I've read it's around two years before they're even allowed to touch the leather. Lucas: That's right. And this is the part that competitors can't replicate quickly. Hermès runs its own apprenticeship school, the Hermès School of Savoir-Faire, which graduates about 400 artisans a year. Those people then spend years mastering specific techniques. You can't just hire them away because the skills are house-specific. Luna: So the moat is a combination of vertical integration, training infrastructure, and a culture that treats scarcity as a feature, not a bug. But what about pricing power? Hermès has been raising prices aggressively — some bags went up 15 to 20 percent in 2025 alone. Lucas: That's the other piece. Hermès has pricing power that's almost unique in luxury because their customers don't see price increases as a negative — they see them as a signal of increasing value. A Birkin that cost eight thousand dollars in 2010 now costs over twelve thousand, and the resale market is still above retail. That's a virtuous cycle. Luna: Compare that to, say, Gucci or Saint Laurent, where a price hike often triggers a dip in demand because the brand isn't anchored in the same way. Lucas: Right. Gucci's operating margin is around 30 percent — very healthy — but it's also more volatile. Hermès doesn't have flash sales, doesn't do outlet stores, and doesn't license its name. Every single product they sell goes through their own boutiques or their own e-commerce. That's rare in luxury. Luna: So the moat is really a system of interrelated choices: cap production, own the supply chain, control distribution, invest in training, and maintain pricing discipline. Lucas: Exactly. And each choice reinforces the others. If you cap production, you need to own the supply chain to make sure you can still hit quality targets. If you own the supply chain, you need the training pipeline. If you train artisans for two years, you'd better have pricing power to recoup that investment. It's a flywheel, not a single advantage. Luna: But there's a risk here, isn't there? If Hermès ever misjudges demand — say, a recession hits and the luxury market contracts — can they sustain this model? They can't just ramp down production easily because of the fixed costs in their supply chain. Lucas: That's a fair point. During the 2008 financial crisis, Hermès did see a slowdown, but their revenue only dipped about five percent, while many peers dropped fifteen to twenty. Their customer base is so ultra-high-net-worth that they're somewhat recession-resistant. Still, the model does assume a certain level of demand continuity. Luna: And what about the rise of second-hand luxury? The resale market for Birkins is huge — it actually creates a secondary market that Hermès doesn't control. Could that undermine their scarcity narrative? Lucas: It's a tension. On one hand, a thriving resale market proves that the bags hold value. On the other hand, if the secondary market becomes too liquid, it could theoretically reduce the urgency to buy new. But so far, Hermès hasn't seen any erosion. The waitlist for a Birkin is still effectively closed to new customers. You basically have to be an existing client with a purchase history to even be considered. Luna: So they've turned the purchase into a relationship. That's another moat — the customer relationship itself. Lucas: Exactly. And that's incredibly hard to replicate. Hermès sales associates are trained to build long-term relationships, not push volume. They know their clients' preferences, sizes, even their pets' names. That loyalty doesn't show up on a balance sheet, but it's arguably their strongest asset. Luna: So what's the one concrete takeaway for someone listening who runs a business — maybe not in luxury? What can they learn from Hermès? Lucas: I think the biggest lesson is that moats aren't built by doing one thing well. They're built by aligning every part of the business around a single strategic logic. For Hermès, that logic is: 'We will never compromise on exclusivity.' And every decision — from production caps to training to pricing — flows from that. Most companies try to optimise each function independently. Hermès optimises the system. Luna: That's a great way to frame it. And on that note — we actually keep this conversation going thanks to a handful of listeners who chip in to keep the show ad-free. If these discussions have added something to your thinking, you can find us at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. It's a small gesture that makes a big difference for us. Lucas: Yeah, it really does. Every contribution goes straight into production — more research time, better guests, no ads. So if you've gotten value from this episode, that's the easiest way to give a little back. And we're grateful either way. Luna: So back to Hermès — one thing I've been wondering: with the rise of AI and personalisation, could Hermès ever use technology to customise bags at scale without breaking their model? Lucas: Interesting question. They already do a certain amount of bespoke — the 'special order' program where you can choose leathers and hardware. But it's extremely limited, maybe a few hundred bags a year. I think they'll resist scaling it because the moment you offer mass customisation, you risk turning a luxury experience into a commodity feature. Hermès will likely stay manual and rare. Luna: So the moat stays deep, as long as they keep saying no to growth. Lucas: Exactly. And that's the hardest strategy to copy — saying no when everyone else says yes.