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Trekcast 361: Why did they bench Pike? Picard movie in the works?!? Emmys for Star Trek actors, plus a review of Strange New Worlds 201 · Star Trek Podcast: Trekcast

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  Track the Galaxy's Most Unpredictable Start Trick podcast. Let it play out, play
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  out? Yeah yeah, yeah, how we do it? I would like
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  the podcast to start now, I start right now. Oh lord, we'll
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  talk about all of that, all the things. Yes, we're finally back
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  after two weeks, and we have strange new world to talk about today.
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  You guys saw the reactions from Dan and Daniel. You did not see the
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  reactions from me, and I did not make one, nor did I watch
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  either of their reactions. So this is going to be I have so many
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  feels over this week. Yep. I Hey, I did my homework in
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  terms of watching it and then thinking about it, but I didn't record my
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  thoughts. So yeah, I read. I read the book. I just
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  didn't do the book. Yeah, exactly, I read the book. I'm
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  prepared to talk about it. I just really look really really really really yeah.
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  Yeah yeah. So happy Father's Days, guys, thank you, thank
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  you fathers the studio again. Yes, I'm for Father's Day finally. So
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  I think, what is that makeover show trading spaces, chatting spaces? The
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  chat has done the chatting spaces, and so I did not I did not
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  make over the studio. But you may you may notice that my head's a
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  little bigger. Um, that's just everybody tell me you may notice my head's
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  a little bigger. That is everybody telling me how much they love the show
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  my head. No, but um it's it's uh, my head's not big.
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  The camera is closer to me. Yes, yes, yeah, and
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  uh that is courtesy of the Gentry two thousand uh trek cast mounting system that
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  arrived in Yes, and your big head. Gentry has been mounting, wanting
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  to mount my big head for years, and his dreams finally came true.
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  Oh man, he was gonna wait until Vegas because you know, what happens
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  in Vegas stays in Vegas. But he just couldn't. He couldn't contain himself
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  any longer. And uh but who could blame him? Yeah, yes,
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  everybody wants yeah. Yeah. Um, so I'll take a picture from the
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  outside of the shuttle. I'll put on an EV suit and oh yeah,
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  full arm with articulating arm that rotates and everything. It's the you know what
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  it is, it's the Canada arm that used to be on the Space Show.
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  He sent me one. I mounted it to the side of the Old
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  Town country. Nice. You know, honestly, we should like make something
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  like that to attatch to the outside of your vand and just take a picture
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  of it. It's totally fake, but take a picture of it and show
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  it to your wife and say, the guys a new setup for this,
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  and just film her reaction. Yeah, I'll tell you. Yeah, no,
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  no, no, honey, it's it's a it's an articulated arm.
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  We're gonna attach it to the side of your van. It's yeah, it's
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  permanent, so you'll just have to kind of look around it when you're driving.
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  It's okay, though, Yeah we're dirty today. Hey, we don't
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  have a big me to talk about, right, so might get it back.
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  You might get it back till the stories. Oh h oh yeah,
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  Well, I mean I guess that's a transition. Should we just get to
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  the it's the news, go for it, because we're all about smooth transitions,
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  so smooth, you know, smooth, smooth, smooth is butter So
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  our first news story comes to us. Um. Apparently there was the Indie
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  Wire Awards last night, UM, and they did an interview with Patrick Stewart
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  and LeVar Burton. It was a pretty long interview. I will have links
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  to it in the show notes, But basically what they said is they were
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  very excited for Picard season three. They were really happy at how it turned
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  out. But at the very end there was an interesting little nugget where Patrick
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  Stewart basically says, I probably shouldn't be saying this, but you know,
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  what are they going to do? Fire me? At this point, we
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  are considering a Picard TNG movie based off of after Piccard season three, h
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  so a t movie. I love this time twelve twenty six, I love
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  it. Yeah, he's reading that it's customed that I drink a beer while
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  listening to truck Cast thanks to the live show. I'm now drinking at eight
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  in the morning. Hey afternoon somewhere. That's right. That should be our
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  new tagline. Truck Cast will make you to drink exactly, truck Cast.
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  All of us will be an AA at some point. What's really interesting about
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  this interview is both LaVar And and Patrick say that season three of Piccard was
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  great, perfect send off. Let's do it again and see if we can
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  do it more perfect send off. Let's redo the send off. I mean
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  it's only done it twice, right, they did it in the actual series.
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  Now they did it in the new series. No, in another show.
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  No, they did it three times, three times. Yeah, this
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  is third because the last movie, the last movie, everybody, you know,
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  yeah, separate ways. Yeah yeah, this this is going to be
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  like the Kiss Final Tour. It's just again, they're always gonna be saying
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  goodbye. Yeah yeah yeah. So what do you guys think about that?
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  If they did a movie, I mean, it'd be cool. I'm excited.
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  I mean, it was a great series, right, The last last
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  season anyway was fantastic. I mean they hit all the notes. Right.
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  There is there really anything that you can point at and say for sure that
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  they did that wrong and it was big enough to really matter. Like,
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  I don't know, I think everything came off just great. I mean I
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  want to see them continue in that timeline more so than anything else. Now,
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  if this TNG movie spin off thing to make it like a big you
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  know, number four, or if you want to call it that happens,
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  then great, make that lead into something else though, that contentues along that
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  timeline. Don't just keep rehashing the goodbye for the fifteenth time, you know.
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  That's my take on Yeah, I don't know. If I want to
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  put card season four as much as I loved season three, yeah I would.
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  I would like to see, uh some of those characters show up from
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  time to time in other twenty fifth century Star Trek. Yeah, yeah,
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  exactly. I don't think I want to see they can't get the band back
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  together again. Yeah. Well, I mean they can, um, but
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  again, the only thing they can do at this point, honestly, is
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  less than what they just did. Yeah, that's the issue. That's why
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  it has to be something different, correct. I think it needs to be
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  a lead if they do it, and I'm fine with him doing it.
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  I'm fine with them saying, hey, we want to do this and have
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  a final like a like a movie type thing. Make that though, be
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  tied into the lead into something more and then it's worth doing. Right.
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  Um, but even you could argue that's what the season three was. It
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  was the lead into legacy. Yeah, exactly. That Again, I mean,
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  only the only thing they can do it this when to take it down.
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  Yeah, but I mean if you think back to if you think back
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  to post TNG Burman era Star Trek and what a big deal it was when
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  other characters showed up. They never had the whole They never had the whole
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  crew of the Enterprise, right, But you know when Barkley and Deanna showed
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  up on Voyager, it was a big deal. Yeah, you know when
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  Riker turned out to be Thomas Riker, but you know when Riker showed up
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  on Deep Space nine, it was a big deal. Yeah. When Q
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  showed up on Deep Space Sign, it was a big deal. I know
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  she's a secondary character, but you know when Loasana Troy showed up on Deep
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  Space Sign, it was a big deal. They can keep doing those things.
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  They don't have to get the whole crew to get back together for something,
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  but to have you wrestling when they have a run in, it's a
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  big deal. Yeah. So they need to have a run in. They
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  need to have you know, just Jordian data, you know, run in.
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  They grab a garbage in a steel chair that's right, smash seven over
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  the head with it, and then you know them top of the turnbuckle and
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  then there and then they run out and you know, cool, who's shown
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  up next week? Oh it's Quark off the top rope. There you go,
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  there you go. Yeah, this is one of the few times that
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  I'm agreeing one hundred percent with Daniel's wrestling to start. Yeah, the joke
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  in wrestling is behind the curtain is every possible wrestler, it's just whether or
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  not they come out. So in the try, in the transporter pod or
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  transporter room is every possible star trick character, it's whether or not they show
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  up. But I mean we're we're literally salivating right now over the over the
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  idea of Boiler and Mariner up. Yeah, crossovers, yeah, yes,
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  yes, yeah, it's when you watch Tis absolutely, yeah, exactly.
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  It's it's when you watch a spider Man movie. Oh my gosh, the
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  there's iron Man. Or it's when you watch an ant Man movie and oh
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  my gosh, there's King. Or it's when you watch Loki and holy crap,
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  that's you know, whoever the hell showed up in Loki. Um,
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  it's like all of that, right, So, yeah, when Laurel and
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  Hardy met Frankenstein, exactly you laugh, but yeah, true, yeah,
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  exactly. Yeah. You know, George George Reeves Superman was on I Love
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  Lucy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, all right. Our next
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  news story comes to us from Fansided, and um, you know, the
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  Emmy considerations are now happening. This doesn't mean that they're nominated for Emmy's,
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  but this is the studios and production companies putting out who they would like to
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  see get nominated in hopes to get them nominated. So Paramount is trying to
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  get at least twelve actors from Star Trek Picard Season three to be nominated for
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  Emmy's. Basically everyone who was on the screen, from Michelle Thorpes for her
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  portrayal for Lauren Laren and Daniel Davis as Professor Morarity. They're being or trying
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  to get nominated, as is Todd Stashwick Captain Liam, to which he has
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  said, no kidding, you did not say that. But basically everyone you
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  know, data or anyone you can think of, they're trying to get him
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  nominated. They'll probably get some, we'll see. But okay, I don't
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  really care about awards shows. I don't care who gets nominated for what.
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  Yes, of course, Darryl Mike, Michael Keaton showing up in the flash.
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  We'll talk about that today these two scene and I have not It's when
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  I want to go see, but I just haven't had time. So yeah,
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  maybe I will this afternoon. I have no idea. I've got a
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  little bit of things playing for Father's Day, but not a lot um,
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  so yeah, it would be. I don't know. I don't think.
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  I don't think the wife and kids are really that keen on seeing it.
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  Um, they think they watched the trailer And are you kidding me? Daniel?
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  Do you not know how this works? No, on Mother's Day it's
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  whatever the mom wants to do, and everybody goes and do it. And
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  on Father's Day it's whatever the mother wants and everybody goes and do it.
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  Do it? Does it with the father? Right? That's or it's Father's
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  Day and you say, I'm going to the movies. This is what I'm
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  going to see. I would love if you guys came with me and then
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  you just go get in the car. Indeed, I wouldn't be able to
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  get back in the house. This is how it works. Okay, I'm
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  just doing two hours later, you will have seen the flash. This is
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  true. This is true. I mean we watched the trailer, and both
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  both of my girls enjoy Marvel. They really enjoy all the Marvel movies more
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  so than the DC. They don't like the DC. They're like me,
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  I watched the DC and it's like, this is a train wreck. Um,
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  there's only a few things that I pick out that I enjoyed the DC
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  side, but I always enjoy the Marvel stuff. And they watched that trailer
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  and they thought, good lord, this looks worse than No Way Home.
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  And that's one movie that they watched them thought was a train wreck. Like
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  me, there's too much stuff everywhere Tooby McGuire, you know, and both
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  all three Spider Man's and just just kept piling. But uh, let me
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  stud okay, movie, but still I kind of feel the same way.
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  The Flash looks like a mess to me. We'll talk about that later,
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  okay, all right, and then our next news story comes to us from
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  Star Trek dot com. Um, this was announced on Captain pocard Day,
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  which was Thursday, I believe. Was it Thursday or was it Friday?
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  Kevinccard Day? I don't know, s I completely forget now it was Friday.
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  It was Friday, Friday? Yuh yeah, So actual, how do
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  you know when Captain pccard day is? Does I feel it in my heart?
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  Okay? All right, I mean if you're on social media then maybe
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  you know, Yeah, that's it. I'm sorry, Apparently I forgot the
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  trim meeting of Captain Pard. That's right, that's maybe the logic bestow upon
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  you in the Diplomacy Rain. Oh lord. Basically, they have announced a
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  bunch of different box sets for Piccard season three. There's gonna be steel books,
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  there's gonna be just buying the DVDs or blue rays. There's gonna be
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  a gigantic box set with all of TN and the movies and Picard just everything
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  they can throw out there, all put together with some some extra mementos.
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  And that has not been announced at the price point for that one, So
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  I'm curious about that one. Yeah. Um, it seems like they're trying
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  to throw like every appearance of Captain McCard into one box set just about.
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  And I'm wondering if the Deep Space nine Pilot emissary is in that set.
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  That does not is not listed on there, so I don't think so.
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  Well, that's a giant that's a giant misstep on their on their behalf if
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  they did not do that. It is a fifty four Blu ray disc set.
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  It's ridiculous, that's crazy. Yeah, the rumors it's going to be
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  at about two hundred and fifty bucks roughly for everything. I mean, yeah,
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  yeah, yeah, I like Star Trek at all. But uh,
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  yeah I bought I bought, you know, all of the Burman era Trek
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  as it came out on DVD for one hundred bucks a season twenty years ago.
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  Um, I'm not doing it again, yeah yeah, yeah, And
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  uh the only thing I want from that box set is the deck of cards
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  because I collect deck of cards? Oh do you? Yeah? Oh I
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  didn't know that. Yeah, right, learn something every day. Yeah.
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  Now I'm gonna now I'm gonna find a cool deck of cards for Dan.
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  Nice. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm excited to go to Vegas to
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  get some deck of cards, all right, cool? Yeah. And then
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  our last news story because there's enough on it allegedly, so I have to
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  bring it up. This is coming to us from Giant freaking Robots, so
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  you know, you know it exclusive. Pedro Pascal has been offered the role
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  of the villain in Paddington three. Oh lord, yeah, baby, Patting,
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  I can tell you right now it's not going to happen unless they cast
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  a kid to be a sidekick so he can say that marmalade. Yeah,
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  I mean every show or a movie he does. There's like there's always a
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  kid. So allegedly Paddington three is gonna start shooting in July. Sure,
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  yeah, I know Dan is so excited. Yeah, but that's it.
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  That that was just it. I just had to bring that up because I
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  saw it so ts Yeah, sharing the Paddington love indeed, indeed, but
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  it's our news stories, all right, cool, awesome, Well should we
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  get to the main topic. Let's get to the main topic. And now
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  I'm done talking because you just yeah, it's what happened. It cuts us
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  off. It's fine. I just get just like I love giving you shit
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  about it. It's fine. I know it's a mechanic. It's not you
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  doing it, but it's maybe it is, and maybe it is. Yeah,
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  I manually turn it back on just to mess I talk when I'm not
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  supposed to talk. Just talking when he's not supposed to talk. It's only
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  because we love you, little Ocho, little Ocho. See, I've got
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  the log line from episode two to one, The Broken Circle. Oh yeah,
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  there was some star trek on this week. Yeah yeah, so this
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  is the season premiere. A distress call from Lieutenant Ulian our Nunion sing compel
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  Spot to disobey orders and take the USS Enterprise and its crew into disputed space,
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  risking renewed hostiles with the kling Ends in a bid to aid their shipmates.
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  This was written by the show runner and main producers Henry Alonzo Meyer and
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  Akiva Goldsman. So, as I saw pointed out somewhere, this episode is
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  peak what they want. Huh yeah, yeah, So Chad, what was
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  your thoughts since you didn't do your home rate, let's start with you.
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  Yeah, I mean I didn't watch your guys's reactions. Um I should haven't.
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  Sorry, I didn't record my own reaction. I have no idea what
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  your guys's thoughts are, and I can tell by had there for a moment
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  that maybe you're as thrilled with it as I am. Look, I'm not
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  gonna lie. When I watched this episode, I was smiling the entire time.
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  Pable, You're right, Well, see there's a weird thing about that.
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  You say you wish Spock and chapolood Bone already, but there's this weird
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  tension between her and Maunbana the entire time to their together, the music they're
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  playing, the way they're looking at each other. It was just odd.
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  No, I know, I don't mean like there was a thing there.
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  I just mean it was kind of strange. The way they did it was
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  odd to me. It felt weird anyway. Overall, I had a smile
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  on my face the entire episode. I enjoyed it. It was fun ingest
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  it was. Did it make sense is my main question, And only a
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  few parts of it really made a whole lot of sense to me. The
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  rest of it was kind of odd. I mean, if you take you
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  have to kind of suspend certain things for a moment um to really think about
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  this. But like for Spock for instance, and his entire demeanor and what
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  he did and how he went about doing it. On one hand, you
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  can say it's out of character, but it wasn't out of character because we
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  have to remember that this is Spock before we see him in the original series,
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  right, Hak is older by the time we see him in the original
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  series. Spok is purged all emotion by the time we see him in the
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  original series. Um, he's just faking it right now. Yeah, he's
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  trying to figure it out. Actually, that's what he's doing, right,
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  And he's allowing his human side to do more things as he's figuring it out,
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  and so I kind of just take that with a grain of salt.
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  I don't like the new engineer. I don't like her either. I don't
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  horrible choice. Yeah, yeah, I look at her and I can't help
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  but think of Miracle Max's wife from The Princess Bride. Yea and chocolate.
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  Chocolate couting makes it go down easier. That's that's what I Yeah, she
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  sounds like I hear in my head. Yeah, well it's her, that's
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  the same actor. Yeah, I know it is. I'm all aware.
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  I know that's what I'm saying. I mean, it's it's like, if
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  you're gonna do that character's an engineer, don't show up from the never ending
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  story. Yeah, like I hope with a different voice or so, you
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  know, do do something right. I mean, we have plenty of British
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  actors who have an American accents. We have plenty of American actors of British
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  acts. She's a great actress, like she's one Oscars, but great actress.
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  What she does, I don't think it fits into this. No,
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  I won't even go so far as saying that. For the way they've written
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  and directed her. It doesn't fit. Yeah, she's capable of doing a
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  lot. She's capable of not coming across as a weird little troll of an
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  engineer. See, she should be a ferengie honestly with that voice. Well,
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  to me, it seems like they're making her the fairy godmother of the
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  enterprise. She imaginally fixed how they got away with stealing the enterprise. Huh,
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  And I think that's what they're gonna have her do. More or less,
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  she's a new duct tape. Yeah, yes, she's gonna be the
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  Enterprise's fairy godmother. So I know. Chad didn't watch my reaction, Mum.
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  My reaction was about fifteen seconds of me just staring at the ceiling trying
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  to think of something to say, and then just saying, I don't know,
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  I'll watch it again. I'll talk about it on the show when I
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  was editing. When I was editing your reaction, Dan, Yeah, I
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  felt the deep dad disappointment, Like you're not angry at your kid, You're
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  just disappointing. I'm very disappointed. I'm very disappointed. There's a couple of
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  things. We'll start with the most obvious. Okay, Um, stop stealing
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  the ship. Yeah, stop, okay, just stop. It's it's it's
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  been done before, it's played out, it's old. It doesn't make any
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  sense. Um, it doesn't matter what your reasoning is. If you steal
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  the ship, you go to jail. That's how it works. Just just
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  imagine a naval captain who's just like you know what, Um, I'm gonna
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  steal this battleship. Yeah, and I'm gonna take it into battle and possibly,
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  you know, I'm gonna take it into international waters and I'm gonna interact
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  with our enemies and I don't know, maybe I'm gonna start a war.
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  But I have a good reason. I know the admiral told me, no,
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  don't do it. But I had a good reason. Then Hey,
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  it worked out in the end, so you know, I get to keep
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  my command, I get to keep my my my freedom. No, that's
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  ridiculous. That is ridiculous. Spots should be in jail right now. He
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  should be right next to Una saying, you know, maybe maybe I don't
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  know who that lawyer is to try to get hold of, but you know,
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  I don't know, maybe she'll take I don't know, I don't know
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  that. And how many times are we going to do this. We know
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  he steals the Enterprise in ten years to to help out Pike. Okay,
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  and they don't um you know, they don't imprison him for life at that
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  point. And at that point, not only does he steal the ship,
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  but he violates that I don't remember what the name of the law was,
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  but you know, don't go to talos or or or you know you're gonna
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  be executed. You know, he broke that one too, ye, right,
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  doesn't go to jail, keeps keeps his commission. It's just it's old.
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  It's been done before, and every time they do it. Every time
• 24:41
  they do it, it cheapens the ones that they've done in the past.
• 24:48
  Okay, Star Trek three, they steal the Enterprise to go rescue Spock.
• 24:53
  That was a big deal. That was a big deal back then, right,
• 24:59
  you know, And I don't know, every time they do it,
• 25:02
  it just it just cheapens it a little bit more. You would think after
• 25:06
  so many like ships that have been stolen, they would have put some sort
• 25:10
  of measures in place to not like get them stolen like oh that that and
• 25:15
  they didn't them all linked security measure like it's under lock from the space docks,
• 25:22
  so you can't just move it parental controls. It's but that that and
• 25:27
  it was it was completely unnecessary, right, Okay. Instead, instead they
• 25:33
  could have had it that, Um, you know, Pike leaves to go
• 25:38
  on his his his special trip. He leaves, he leaves Spock and charge
• 25:44
  they get this signal. Um, they're they're out of range where they can't
• 25:48
  get they can't get in touch with Starfleet, and they have a choice either
• 25:52
  go in the wrong direction to get close enough to to get out of the
• 25:56
  nebula or whatever so that they can talk to star or he makes the executive
• 26:02
  decision on his own two, you know, take the ship to this klingon
• 26:07
  planet or whatever. They could have had the same They could have had the
• 26:11
  same story where they're cut off from Starfleet, they're on their own, without
• 26:14
  him disobeying a direct order from an admiral and then stealing a ship. They
• 26:18
  could have told the same story without the April. Yes, yes, without
• 26:23
  that ridiculous. Yeah, it's ridiculous, and just could have stole a shuttlecraft.
• 26:30
  They could have just taken a shuttlecraft to go out there and investigate,
• 26:33
  and that would have been that would have made more sense. And I would
• 26:34
  see April approving that take a shuttlecraft out there, see what's going on,
• 26:38
  I feel like or I'm sorry real quick, yeah, or well even that
• 26:45
  wouldn't be you know, Pike is already out there in a shuttlecraft. You
• 26:51
  know, they tell the Enterprise, they tell Spot under the command of the
• 26:53
  Enterprise, no you can't go. Do that. He goes back to the
• 26:56
  ship. He calls, He calls Pike and says, this is why happened.
• 27:00
  This is what's going on. They told me I can't go, And
• 27:03
  Pike's is, well, didn't tell me anything, and he goes, yeah,
• 27:06
  yeah, that's a better story. It is a better story, and
• 27:08
  you get Pike involved. Yes, it was gone the entire episode. Well,
• 27:14
  so okay, what Dan was saying is basically what I was going to
• 27:18
  get to. I think benching your main character, because that's what Pike is,
• 27:23
  He's their main character right on your season premiere, is a very weird
• 27:29
  choice to begin with. Yeah, I think if you wanted to do basically
• 27:34
  a story that shows off the whole crew, because that's basically what they were
• 27:37
  trying to get to, and you wanted them to do like this whole let's
• 27:41
  get to know each character and a little bit about them as we introduce what
• 27:45
  we're going to do further for the rest of the season. I think you
• 27:48
  needed to break it down into a smaller faction of characters. So like if
• 27:52
  it was just Pike and Leon and maybe that little girl, and then they've
• 27:59
  got to stop this war from happening, and then from there they go get
• 28:03
  Number one and now we come back to the Enterprise. So that way,
• 28:06
  by episode three, the whole band is back together and now we're off on
• 28:08
  adventures. That makes more sense, and that gives us time to get to
• 28:11
  know characters. You could have done something more episode one and two or a
• 28:18
  two parter, so like a little bit of this episode is maybe you do
• 28:22
  the same thing with Spock and the crew, but we get cuts back to
• 28:26
  Pike and what he's doing to get back Number one, and so it's constantly
• 28:30
  going back between the two and you somehow tie them together. That I think
• 28:36
  would have made more sense. Yeah, I'm okay. I'm okay with the
• 28:41
  benching your main character, you know, Pike, for an episode. I'm
• 28:45
  even okay with doing it on a season premiere. I don't think that's that
• 28:47
  big of a deal. That's especially not that big of a deal with this
• 28:49
  cast on crew and the way they've written the episode so far, because we
• 28:55
  actually know who the minor characters are, We care about the minor cares,
• 29:00
  we know their names, we know you know they they've done a good enough
• 29:03
  character development to be able to pull that off right, just they just didn't
• 29:06
  with this episode. But but um, yeah, so a lot of strange
• 29:11
  choices. Let's talk about it. I will see the consensus online. I
• 29:15
  went through you know, through Twitter and through TikTok, looking at the hashtags,
• 29:19
  gauging people's reactions. Overall, it was we're happy to see the show's
• 29:25
  back. Wow, this wasn't a good episode. Yeah, and that seems
• 29:30
  to be. Everyone is still optimistic that it'll get better. But this was
• 29:34
  not it. And and it had good moments. It had good moments,
• 29:37
  but some of those moments were so poorly placed. When he's you know,
• 29:42
  we all saw the moment from the from the trailer when when he's gonna,
• 29:45
  you know, have the ship engage and she's like, you do the thing.
• 29:52
  I have to have a thing, and she's like, everybody is a
• 29:53
  thing. They stopped the action to have this yes, uh, conversation back
• 30:00
  and forth and it's like, hey, guys, you're in the getaway car
• 30:04
  and the cops are right behind you. Why are you talking about your catchphrase?
• 30:10
  Yeah, that would have been a perfect opportunity to leave that totally hanging
• 30:15
  because they're going and like just go go go, go, go go,
• 30:18
  and just not and cut it off and not do it and then bring it
• 30:21
  up at the end of the episode. That's exactly that same scene should have
• 30:25
  been at the end of the episode when they're heading back to Federation Space and
• 30:29
  she she could have just as easily turned around to him and said, uh,
• 30:33
  you know, we were in a hurry before and you didn't say the
• 30:34
  thing? What thing? Oh, everybody has to think they could have had
• 30:37
  the exact same conversation. Yes, that would have been great. Yes,
• 30:41
  yes, um I did you know suffer for the people watch the Little Wheat
• 30:45
  and show. Okay, they did interview Ethan Pack and they talked specifically about
• 30:49
  that scene. Guys. Awesome by the way. Yeah, he said that
• 30:53
  it stemmed from when they were filming. There was one point where he was
• 30:59
  just sitting in the cap since Jared just kind of in between takes and they
• 31:02
  started joking about what spos thing would be, and apparently, like two days
• 31:07
  later it was in the script. So that's where that came from. What
• 31:11
  was spox thing When he was in command of the Enterprise. He never really
• 31:15
  had one, did he, No, Yeah, because it wasn't a thing
• 31:21
  back then, because they laughed at him. Yeah yeah, they left at
• 31:25
  the one he came up with, so he never did it again. Yeah
• 31:26
  yeah. So yeah, Well let's talk about the clingons for a minute,
• 31:33
  right, Yeah, So we get our first good look at the clean on,
• 31:34
  a really good multiple looks at multiple clingons, multiple both genders, minute
• 31:41
  men and women, and they all look a little different from one another,
• 31:45
  honestly from so like the one she's playing cards with has kind of elongated head
• 31:53
  for some reason. Okay, did you notice that? Not really? Yeah,
• 31:57
  I mean it's it's like what was that movie, Um that um guy
• 32:05
  from pulp fiction was the main alien in and they had the long heads and
• 32:09
  they took over Earth battlefield Earth, Battlefield Earth. Yeah, they look he
• 32:14
  looked more like a cyclou. That cling on she was playing cards with looked
• 32:19
  more like a cyclo than than I cling on in my opinion. And then
• 32:22
  the next cling on, a couple of cling owners we see. Look,
• 32:25
  I mean the one lady looked like either from the north exactly the one cling
• 32:29
  on that the lady that we saw did look like one of the du Ross
• 32:30
  sisters kind of right, So it was like, perfect, that's great.
• 32:34
  And then the main one that we see towards the end, that Spock is
• 32:37
  drinking the blood wine with um. I don't want to nip pick I'm gonna
• 32:42
  nippick um. His prosthetics looked plasticy hm, but they are all a little
• 32:49
  different, so I'm fine with that. I thought the cling ons overall were
• 32:51
  great. Somebody said, uh, somebody online said, and I didn't see
• 32:55
  it even the second time I watched it, that you can see a couple
• 32:59
  of discover klingons in the background. Yeah, m hmm yeah yeah. The
• 33:06
  guy from full Fiction yet John Travolta. I just couldn't think of the name.
• 33:08
  Scott. Thanks, thanks, No, No, yeah, much better.
• 33:21
  Yes, what does the cling on say? No? Um? But
• 33:32
  no, I mean I thought they looked fine. I want to see variety
• 33:37
  like and I think that's an important thing to think about too, when we're
• 33:39
  talking about aliens and even even people. Um, you know, always want
• 33:43
  diversity with humans. I want diversity of aliens too. I don't want every
• 33:45
  single cling on to look exactly like the last cling on. I just saw,
• 33:47
  like, what's the point of that? Yeah, so I wanted to
• 33:51
  all look a little different, you know. So, Um, I think
• 33:58
  it's funny that in Benga has got basically venom Bain's venom. Same thing with
• 34:06
  the nurse Chapel. I didn't like that scene at all. Yeah, it
• 34:10
  felt so forced when he pulls it out and she's like instantly knows what it
• 34:16
  is. We don't know what it is because you know, no one bothered
• 34:20
  to tell us. But she's like, oh, you have the thing.
• 34:22
  Do you always carry the thing with you? I always carry the thing with
• 34:25
  you with me. Okay, let's do the thing. And then you know,
• 34:29
  they shoot each other up and suddenly Jason Bourne, you know, and
• 34:34
  and they're doing their own uh. I think Daniel called it the hallway fight,
• 34:37
  like, yeah, it was, it was. It was silly,
• 34:43
  it was forced. Yeah, when they first did it, I was like,
• 34:47
  did I forget something like was this from the first season? Yeah?
• 34:52
  No, I was thinking the same thing too, that you know, I
• 34:54
  must have forgot something. What I thought when he first pulled that out and
• 34:58
  handed one to her and she says, and she makes that line about,
• 35:00
  oh, you always carry the thing. But I was thinking was that was
• 35:05
  a youth in Asia pill in case they got captured. Yeah, you know
• 35:08
  that was my first thought, was that he always carries that on him so
• 35:12
  that nobody can ever interrogate him. We got a bunch of lead up about
• 35:15
  what happened during the war and the things that he did during the war.
• 35:17
  And we already know Minbank is a badass, right, I mean we just
• 35:22
  know that, and transit from everything we've heard about what he did during they
• 35:25
  laid a bunch of background in this episode two about what he did. Um,
• 35:30
  so they did say. They did say they both served in the Klingon
• 35:32
  War exactly exactly, which I kind of don't understand that because is she a
• 35:42
  member of Starfleet or not? Right, because she does not wear a Starfleet
• 35:46
  uniform. Yeah, well, she's like the un medical team. This is
• 35:52
  what I wanted to make her out to be. Yeah, that's what they
• 35:53
  make her out to be, is like she's part of this Doctors Without Borders
• 35:58
  kind of thing, like a civilian group yeah, exactly exactly. That that's
• 36:01
  kind of what they make her out to be as far as what they're you
• 36:05
  know, what she's doing, so okay, whatever, Yeah, it is
• 36:10
  what it is. Maybe when we go to Vegas we can ask them,
• 36:14
  because I'm sure that'd be great, that'd be great. Yeah, I will
• 36:16
  ask her anything, Sure, you would exactly. Actually I probably wouldn't be
• 36:24
  able to ask her anything face to face talking to her. I'd buy just
• 36:28
  drool and say I'm sorry. Yeah anyway, Star Trek so, I you
• 36:42
  know when they blew themselves out into space and and correct me if I'm wrong.
• 36:49
  But have we seen that recently as well? That felt awfully familiar.
• 36:54
  But I couldn't blowing the cells like that. Princess Leiah did it in the
• 37:00
  Star No I know that? Oh God, I know that. Yeah,
• 37:04
  No, I I mean, I mean Star Trek Wise, have they done
• 37:07
  that recently? I just felt very familiar, but I couldn't put my finger
• 37:09
  on un where. I just feel like we've seen it a lot in other
• 37:15
  movies. Yeah, okay, maybe that was it. Maybe that's what it
• 37:19
  was. I do like that he said, you know, we've got a
• 37:22
  minute before we die. Eighteen seconds and we're going to pass out, so
• 37:25
  it doesn't matter. Yeah, so at least there's that. Yeah. So
• 37:31
  the serum, the Super Soldier Serum, Yeah, happened in Discovery. Somebody
• 37:37
  Surbronson said it happened in Discovery. Then blowing themselves out into space, there
• 37:42
  was a Discovery thing. I know, I'll be honest. Remember I don't
• 37:47
  remember anything from Discovery. I watched it once to do this show and then
• 37:52
  oh yeah, I know they did in the first season with trying to get
• 37:53
  burn them offers people off of the off of the one ship that was about
• 37:58
  to come. Weren't they need V suits? Like, it's not quite the
• 38:00
  same thing. Yeah, maybe not the same thing, but I remember that
• 38:01
  happening in the first season. I believe the first couple of episodes of the
• 38:05
  first season. Actually yea, once we get past the Binary Stars battle bullshit.
• 38:09
  Yeah all right, So the Super Soldier Serum, what do you think
• 38:14
  it is? Oh, it's mainly from the Green Goblin because it's green.
• 38:20
  It's right up there with the Magic Blood. So so so I'm wondering if
• 38:29
  it is um tied back, Yeah, tied back to Enterprise with the um
• 38:39
  the Augments. Yeah, I mean it should be. It should be if
• 38:45
  they're gonna do this and have that, then they need to tie it into
• 38:47
  that greater story. Yeah, for sure, for sure. So I'm still
• 38:52
  confused about why Una is in jail and Lawn is not. I mean they're
• 39:01
  both they're both genetically enhanced, right. I don't think Lan is genetically enhanced.
• 39:12
  She's out drinking pling once. I know she's genetically enhanced. Yeah.
• 39:16
  Yeah, And she shares a name Cotton Union thing, so it's not like
• 39:24
  nobody nobody knows. Maybe that's why because people know, and so it's like
• 39:29
  up front, well, and she was born that way as opposed to um,
• 39:35
  lying about your race, right, I mean they've got don't they?
• 39:38
  If I now have the accords in place? As far as the augment stuff,
• 39:43
  I mean I thought they did by now, right, or am I
• 39:45
  in the timeline wrong? I get confused. Oh, um, maybe I
• 39:49
  think they do by now in this in this time, I'm pretty sure they
• 39:52
  have augment you know, not an augmentation of that stuff. KOBA Accords are
• 39:57
  in place, yes, Um, it's the Mutant Registration Act, right,
• 40:00
  That's what it is exactly. Yeah. Also, are going to come on
• 40:02
  in the next episode it'll be great. Um, but no, Um,
• 40:07
  I'm pretty sure that's all in place, and so that's fine. But I
• 40:10
  mean, she was born that way. It wasn't that she did it on
• 40:14
  intentionally right Union Songs Offspring somehow, I don't know how, but um,
• 40:23
  I don't know anyway. See, that's part of the problem. They're already
• 40:28
  kind of like roping themselves into weird logic holes that. Yeah, but I
• 40:32
  mean I'm okay with some of that, you know, I mean I want
• 40:36
  them to be a little looser with it so we can have some fun with
• 40:38
  the damn thing. M yeah, country, that's right. Ln was born
• 40:44
  with enhanced genetics soon as people do it regularly, right, And that was
• 40:47
  she was supposed to tell them who she was, right, okay, right,
• 40:52
  so and she never did. She lied about who she was on her
• 40:53
  Starfleet application. She's lied to everybody her entire life about who she is and
• 40:57
  what she can actually do. Right, And we know law On is augmented,
• 41:04
  not just from she's drinking cling onto the table, but do you remember
• 41:06
  their fight scene last season where the two of them teamed up to do a
• 41:10
  battle Royale against I forget who was on the ship the Pirates. Maybe that
• 41:14
  was the Pirate episode they were in engineering, maybe, But when we had
• 41:19
  the Captain Angel episode, there was one of those episodes with the two of
• 41:21
  them, Lawn and Luna were fighting together in engineering against somebody, and we're
• 41:25
  beating a crap at everybody. I mean, it was just remember Una even
• 41:30
  making a comment about I don't get to do this very often. Yeah,
• 41:34
  they don't do this very often, but whatever. So do you think we'll
• 41:38
  see that little girl more? The Gorn girl? No? I don't know
• 41:43
  why we would. Yeah. I mean, if they got a Gorn attack
• 41:49
  ship waiting out there, I think we will see her one more time.
• 41:52
  Do you think so? I think she's going to be in peril and they
• 41:53
  got a save her. Why constantly put the same girl in peril because that's
• 41:59
  your your hook? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I don't know. She's
• 42:04
  way over here now, I know the corner way over there doesn't make sense
• 42:07
  to me. It doesn't matter. I guess it doesn't matter. It's true.
• 42:10
  What do you think about this weird situation though? The thirty days?
• 42:15
  Just thinking about how ridiculous? Yeah? Yeah, who who came up with
• 42:20
  that ridiculous? It came up with that so ridiculous. It doesn't make sense
• 42:27
  and it doesn't make any sense. Okay, So what is the significance of
• 42:35
  thirty days? Yeah, I'll tell you that is the average cycle of Earth
• 42:42
  smoon. That's that's where thirty days comes from. Yeah, you know,
• 42:47
  So to translate that to something that Klingons would agree to, yeah, just
• 42:53
  it just doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. Um,
• 43:00
  and which days? You know we're talking about outer space? Is that thirty
• 43:02
  Earth days, thirty Chronos days, thirty days on that planet? Um?
• 43:12
  Yeah, I don't know. Could have done? Yeah, yeah, you're
• 43:19
  right. I just feel like some of these things they could have just if
• 43:22
  they sat down a little bit longer in the writer's room, Okay, they
• 43:27
  could have come up with something better. Like you know, the the the
• 43:34
  planet is still owned by the people that live there, but it's administrated by
• 43:42
  you know, some third party. No, some third party like Intergalactic Switzerland
• 43:49
  runs this planet, okay, and it's their job to uh make sure that
• 43:53
  everyone who goes there to buy their stuff plays nice and that that would make
• 43:59
  more that would make more sense. You know what you could have done the
• 44:02
  start of the Phineas Rangers. The group seven was in, like, that's
• 44:07
  one of their first assignments is running this place. Okay, so at least
• 44:13
  you have that, you know, FERENGI Yeah, So, I mean,
• 44:21
  on one hand I agreed in on another hand, I completely disagree. I
• 44:23
  think the reason they came up with all of this is because they spent too
• 44:27
  much time in the writer's room and did a shuttle craft, their space shuttle
• 44:32
  version of a storyline where they had so many cooks in the kitchen that they
• 44:37
  came up with total shit by the end of it. As opposed to you
• 44:40
  know, I think, I think there's something to be said when you're in
• 44:44
  a writer's room and you got three or four people that are working on something
• 44:47
  that every no, everything in the background of Trek intrinsically have the Bible,
• 44:52
  have the whole nine yards of what they're trying to do, and there's only
• 44:53
  three or four when it's narrowed down when it gets outside of that, and
• 45:00
  you got five, six, eight, ten, Especially knowing that this one
• 45:04
  was written up by the freaking, you know, craziness of all the producers
• 45:09
  involved. That's where the issue comes in because they were trying to direct a
• 45:14
  certain narrative that had nothing to do with all those other things I just mentioned
• 45:17
  the Bible for the show, the Bible of Trek, of Star Trek itself,
• 45:22
  everything else, right, So it's just uh, yeah, when I
• 45:27
  was watching the opening credits and I saw how many producers, consulting producers,
• 45:31
  executive producers, like seriously guys watched the opening of the show that the opening
• 45:37
  creditscers. Yeah, that's the problem. Thank god for the writer strikes as
• 45:42
  jazz business. Yeah. Yeah. The thing is they started writing these like
• 45:51
  Ethan Pec said in an interview that they started working on this four months before
• 45:57
  season one came out, so they were already into it. Wow. Yeah,
• 46:05
  yeah, I mean, so that's good and bad. Right. That's
• 46:13
  good from the standpoint of they were having the foe thought, they were trying
• 46:15
  to keep their their logic of what they did in season one going and keep
• 46:21
  along that same vein. It's also bad because they didn't see any of the
• 46:23
  reactions from season one, right, and weren't able to include anything updates,
• 46:29
  thoughts, feelings from all of that in season two. That's the bad part.
• 46:34
  So yeah, kind of kind of tough. Yeah, I will say
• 46:43
  that the consensus online like I said mixed reactions. Wasn'to you know, one
• 46:49
  way or the other. Everyone else is hoping that basically gets better as we
• 46:52
  move on. I did watch a little bit of a stream from Robert Myers
• 46:58
  Burnett, who's a pretty big Our Trick critic out there. Apparently he has
• 47:02
  seen quite a few episodes already and he is not too hot on what's coming
• 47:07
  around the pike. Yeah, not what we want to here, obviously.
• 47:12
  Right. This is the same guy who they'd say though that Pocard season three
• 47:16
  was fantastic and he was right about that. So well that makes it even
• 47:21
  worse, yeah, doesn't it? Yeah, so that makes it even worse.
• 47:27
  Yeah, so hopefully he gets better. Um yeah, well, Jasmith,
• 47:38
  we all know how Scott Batters is the one the only producer of this
• 47:42
  show. That's true, That's true. Um, but yeah, man,
• 47:52
  apparently we're gonna get a few time travel episodes as well. We do have
• 47:54
  the Lower Decks crossover to yeah ahead of us. Um, we'll get to
• 48:02
  see episode eight together. I know that, yep, yep, seven,
• 48:07
  we'll be right before it. Yeah, so that'll be cool. Yeah,
• 48:12
  um, that will be cool. I uh, I did see it gets
• 48:22
  I just hope it gets better. Yeah, I did see the preview for
• 48:27
  for next week. Okay, go ahead and tell us about that. I
• 48:29
  haven't seen the preview. I saw I come up, but I hadn't seen
• 48:30
  it either, So it very much looks like a Pike centered episode. Um.
• 48:36
  The preview I saw had Pike. He was on a planet where he
• 48:40
  couldn't breathe very well, so he was wearing a mask, which I thought
• 48:44
  was funny. And and uh, and he's there just to go get to
• 48:51
  get number one out of out of jail, I guess, or whatever it
• 48:52
  is. And and so it'll just be him him centered. It looks like
• 49:01
  okay, yeah, I mean I think it'd be really hard. Um.
• 49:07
  I feel like they'd have to actually almost intentionally fuck up the entire season,
• 49:13
  um, in order for me to not enjoy it, Because I still enjoyed
• 49:15
  this episode even though it's kind of odd, and I like the characters enough.
• 49:21
  They did enough in the first season with developing those characters, then I'm
• 49:23
  still gonna enjoy it regardless. They would really have to. They would they
• 49:28
  would have to make every script as odd or awkward or worse than this one
• 49:30
  in order for it to be a bad season. So you know, um,
• 49:35
  every every Star Trek series ever has always had a rough first season.
• 49:40
  This is the one with the exception where they had an excellent first season.
• 49:44
  So if they have a slightly rough second season as they're kind of feeling their
• 49:47
  way out into getting into more details of things, then I'm okay with that.
• 49:52
  Yeah, you know, um, we hope we're gonna get five seasons
• 49:54
  or more out of this. I can't see how at this point we wouldn't.
• 49:59
  I mean, if you can go three deep with Picard after two horrible
• 50:01
  ones and you can get five with Disco, how can you not get five
• 50:09
  out of this? Um? So I mean so so yeah, I mean,
• 50:15
  I'm I'm I'm not discouraged in terms of what the rest of the season's
• 50:19
  gonna be. Like, I'm sure it'll be great. I'm sure it'll be
• 50:21
  fantastic. You know, Um, every every every season's gonna have a stinker
• 50:25
  somewhere, and they just happened to have the first one be unfortunately, be
• 50:30
  that one. So I mean, hell, go back and look at t
• 50:31
  AND season one. Actually, don't don't go watch t G season one.
• 50:35
  It's bad, especially the one with the tree. What do you what do
• 50:39
  you say If you look mostly you can see the porn Dan is watching in
• 50:43
  the collection of the sunglasses. That's fine, you know what. He was
• 50:47
  holding up the phone a minute ago. I wondered, what do you do
• 50:51
  if you don't want me to look at those pictures? Don't send them to
• 50:52
  me? Exactly? This is on you, yeah, exactly, with the
• 51:00
  caption a happy Father's Day, and you send you those photos exactly. Yeah,
• 51:04
  yeah, all right, we should we get to feedback? Sure,
• 51:07
  yeah, yeah, I gotta have a hard stop in like ten minutes.
• 51:15
  Hey, mail, Well, now you tell us about your hard stop.
• 51:22
  Yeah, sorry, sorry, I mean you guys can keep going. I'll
• 51:25
  just have to bow out. Yeah, that's fine. We can talk about
• 51:29
  we can talk about flash when he bows out, see it? Yeah?
• 51:32
  Sorry, Well, let's bring in jazz businesses and then Chad, if you
• 51:37
  want to look up there's a COOFE account one too. Okay, yea,
• 51:39
  I'll look it up real quick. Yeah, there is jazz bus in the
• 51:43
  dark. Just hello, I guess I didn't turn the lights on, so
• 51:45
  yeah, I know you didn't. Should we should? We just guys your
• 51:51
  voice you can tell us how you really feel about Yeah, yeah, starting
• 51:57
  to worlds touched me here. So what did you think of the episode?
• 52:07
  Well, they gave Spok a leap for high blood pressure. That's that's a
• 52:12
  good thing to start to show off with. And it's like, okay,
• 52:15
  that's that's what doctors do on this ship. I guess he has a loot
• 52:20
  hidden in the background. Yeah, they gave they gave spoking easter egg for
• 52:25
  them start of the show. Yeah, it's you start playing this stupidly,
• 52:32
  you know what. Okay, that scene was weird to me too, because
• 52:37
  basically Spock is going in and saying, hey, I'm in charge of this
• 52:39
  thing and I don't feel like emotionally ready to handle this or emotionally compromise to
• 52:45
  handle this. And then the chief medical offers is like, yeah, you're
• 52:47
  fine instead of m we should look into this. Yeah, and then they
• 52:53
  have like this almost video game style of his blood pressure when he starts playing
• 52:59
  the league. Yeah. I was like, it's like, get out of
• 53:02
  here. And then you know, they still the enterprise, which I thought
• 53:09
  was it's been done every single series and show and you're missing Pike like this
• 53:20
  really yeah, it really should have been Pike and Noon right now. And
• 53:24
  then the next episode, maybe they still the enterprise to see what they were
• 53:29
  doing when he's gone, because yeah, they still start off with a pike,
• 53:36
  I think. And that storyline because this this storyline was really I don't
• 53:43
  know, I just I didn't like it. And Carol Kane had this weird
• 53:46
  accent. I mean, that's how she talks. No, no, no,
• 53:51
  She's purposely made an accent for this shows true. Yeah, yeah,
• 53:55
  and trying to think, what's the name of it because I wrote it,
• 54:00
  Oh yeah, Leon and Leon Lantha night Length the Night That was her accent.
• 54:07
  And I had a hard time understanding her when she came on the ship
• 54:13
  because all I could see is Carol Kane with fairy wings on about to hit
• 54:15
  you with the toaster. So I had to google that because I was like,
• 54:20
  do we know this race? Are they from something else? Like at
• 54:22
  first I thought it's what Tasha Yar was for some reason, but it's not.
• 54:30
  Yeah, she's just a human and she can talk human appearing, it's
• 54:37
  a different thing apparely. They age very slowly or something, and I don't
• 54:42
  know. And then the cling like you guys said that they're kind of weird.
• 54:46
  Yeah, And and not only did they look weird. They acted weird.
• 54:52
  They didn't act like true Klingons. And I'm sitting the ones on the
• 54:57
  planet, well some some of them like actors with cling on makeup on.
• 55:04
  Yeah, no accent, yeah, no accent go on, you know,
• 55:08
  yeah, nothing like that. And the women said, I had boob windows
• 55:13
  on their outfits, like the boom windows, you know, cheese. I
• 55:22
  was like, I was missing that, as one does. Everybody wants everybody
• 55:30
  wants the boob windows. And when they go to the planet, she's drinking
• 55:35
  them out of the table. She's like, uh, was it Indiana Joe
• 55:37
  scene where she keeps playing them, Yeah, awesome, back to drinks and
• 55:42
  I like it, oh, because you could tell she was struggling even though
• 55:45
  she managed to get through it. I think they did a good job of
• 55:49
  that. Then and then she brings out the thermal detonator and it's just gonna
• 55:52
  blow them. There's a bunch of like Star Wars and other references here and
• 56:00
  and then in Benga and Chapel dude john Wick injecting themselves V from the Boy
• 56:07
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, and yeah they got that tim V And I
• 56:13
  don't know. I watched the scene over last night and I was just like,
• 56:15
  this just does not make sense because they said it's not their first time
• 56:20
  to do this, I guess, so, yeah, it's just going to
• 56:23
  come back later on in the season. Maybe it's illegal, maybe they're not
• 56:29
  supposed to do it. Um, yeah, but they do it anyway.
• 56:34
  Kind of thing. I don't know. Gentry says. One thing that was
• 56:37
  weird They didn't need the Enterprise to do what Spot did. It could have
• 56:39
  been a much smaller ship. And Carol will always be the old Wizard's wife,
• 56:44
  yelling liar from Princess. But of course you will, right, Yeah,
• 56:46
  he's yeah. The chocolate coating makes it called down easier. Yeah.
• 56:52
  Sorry, it's just so funny. And she's just an odd choice for engineer
• 57:00
  period. Well, Hammer was so good last year killed him. Yeah,
• 57:04
  it was actually really cool. Yeah, he was, yes, and it
• 57:10
  was different. I liked him because it was he was blind, right,
• 57:15
  yep, Yeah, and it was cool. It's like, I really like
• 57:20
  what they did. I mean, that's the second blind engineer they've had on
• 57:22
  the ship, so yeah, actually because it was the first, yes,
• 57:29
  but he was one of two. Yeah, And this is the issue I
• 57:31
  had with prequels, is you know that Chapel's not going to die. In
• 57:37
  that scene when they blow out of their loot, you just know. It's
• 57:42
  like, so you kind of lose that. Oh know, if she's gonna
• 57:45
  die or she's not gonna die. We don't know that I can make a
• 57:47
  Chapel bot. Where can I order one? Yea, let the drooling continue?
• 57:57
  Take my money? Yeah, because and uh, I was, I
• 58:07
  gotta say. And they did a barrel roll through the asteroids. That's cool.
• 58:15
  I mean, the CG was cool. It wasn't hugging the donkey,
• 58:20
  but it was good. Yeah. I was like, well, they had
• 58:22
  like some really cool things you watch, Yeah, and I like like the
• 58:28
  CG. I like the way of a shot. But it comes down to
• 58:32
  writing. And that's that's the part. After you watched the whole season in
• 58:37
  the card that was excellent, and then you go to this and it's kind
• 58:42
  of I had that Dan reaction. I was like, I don't know,
• 58:45
  I gotta watch it again. And I watched it again. Yeah. So
• 58:52
  somebody in the chat asked about understanding ma Benga and no, you're not alone.
• 58:59
  I sometimes have to back it up to almost the subtitles on Yeah,
• 59:04
  I love his voice, though, I really do. He's actually cool,
• 59:07
  Like, yeah, he's just an awesome character. Is the context, like
• 59:12
  the way he's saying it. He needs They need to work on that part
• 59:15
  so you can hit it in louder somehow. You'll probably get this. Since
• 59:20
  they're rebooting the DCU, wouldn't bega not make an amazing mister terrific Um.
• 59:28
  Yeah, I guess. I mean I don't know a lot about mister Terriffic.
• 59:30
  I don't even know who that is. Yeah, okay, that's yeah,
• 59:38
  as long as I can understand what he's saying. Right, Great,
• 59:44
  they put the banging mask on him and then have there and then then you're
• 59:47
  really screwed there you go. Yeah, um hm, anything else you want
• 59:58
  to bring up? Well, it's not so exciting this episode. Yeah,
• 1:00:01
  it's we wanted to love it. We wanted to love it. Yeah,
• 1:00:07
  it's sad. I think I wanted to come in after you guys talk about
• 1:00:09
  like superhero movies and all that something. Yeah, talk about that. Yeah,
• 1:00:17
  all right, we'll good tear me appreciate it. Yeah, guys,
• 1:00:22
  I'm gonna drop um so Sorry'm gonna miss the rest of the feedback. Um,
• 1:00:27
  but uh yeah, fun times today, get three feed back, and
• 1:00:30
  then talk about I'll go back and listen and listen to the rest of the
• 1:00:34
  feedbacks here later on today and then and then uh watch watch the Flash and
• 1:00:39
  listen to your feedback on Yeah, alright, well, yeah sounds good,
• 1:00:43
  guys, get you later, all right, Chad, thanks you guys.
• 1:00:46
  All right, people, So we're gonna talk about the Flash. Yeah,
• 1:00:52
  yeah, Scott. Scott's saying, I'm about to see the Flash of two.
• 1:00:55
  You may want to bow out because we're gonna do spoilers. Well,
• 1:01:00
  are we done? Are we done? Tracking? Yeah, we're done?
• 1:01:01
  Ting. Okay, didn't you say you had something in the kofee account?
• 1:01:06
  There was a oh yeah, but I was waiting for Chad to pull that
• 1:01:08
  up and not me. Oh all right, that's all right, we'll do
• 1:01:12
  next week. That's cool. Yeah, let's do that because all right,
• 1:01:15
  we'll take a little bit. Um yeah, man, would you think?
• 1:01:21
  Um? It was probably my favorite movie from the DC EU, really,
• 1:01:31
  the whole um not my favorite DC movie, okay, um, just my
• 1:01:38
  favorite from the DC EU. So we're talking a Man of Steel, Batman
• 1:01:44
  versus Superman, both Justice Leagues, both Wonder Woman's Aquaman, both suicide squads,
• 1:01:52
  uh, Peacemaker and what Birds of Prey that I didn't see? Is
• 1:01:57
  that pretty much everything? That's pretty much everything. That's pretty much everything.
• 1:02:00
  Yeah. Yeah, so this was probably my favorite, okay of all that.
• 1:02:06
  Um, I didn't like Man of Steel, I didn't like uh Batman
• 1:02:13
  versus Superman. I it's gonna sound terrible, but I think I enjoyed the
• 1:02:20
  regular Justice League more than Zack Snyder. I'm not saying it was a good
• 1:02:23
  film, but right, but Zack Snyder's Justice League was was, you know,
• 1:02:28
  three days long? And um, I like the First Wonder Woman,
• 1:02:34
  I like the Aquaman, I liked Peacemaker. I'm upset with myself that I
• 1:02:37
  liked it because it's not what I think comic book movies should be. But
• 1:02:43
  I did enjoy it. Um. And I don't even really like this version
• 1:02:51
  of Barry Allen because it's nothing like the comic books. Right. That's his
• 1:02:55
  you know, when he first showed up in in Justice League, and he
• 1:03:00
  was this high strung, weird kid. That's not that's not what he's supposed
• 1:03:07
  to be. He's a police scientist. So I don't even like this version
• 1:03:13
  of the character very much. But I did enjoy this movie. Um,
• 1:03:19
  and not even just because Michael Keaton. I mean, Michael Keaton was great.
• 1:03:24
  I thought it was awesome to see him again. I thought it was
• 1:03:30
  a cool storyline. And I know it's based on Flashpoint, but it's not
• 1:03:35
  exactly the same. I think they did a good job of doing it similar
• 1:03:39
  but not exactly the same. I really enjoyed the dynamic between him and his
• 1:03:45
  younger self, and I think that resonates with people because who would not be
• 1:03:52
  annoyed with meeting their younger self? Oh yeah, because you're obviously dealing with
• 1:03:58
  a version of yourself elf that's not as wise as you and that has to
• 1:04:02
  be very Um. Who is it just me just because you were talking?
• 1:04:11
  Oh all right? But you know, I mean who wouldn't be annoyed with
• 1:04:16
  themselves because you know, you're looking at yourself thinking, you think you're so
• 1:04:21
  smart, but you're an idiot because I know all the mistakes that you are
• 1:04:25
  going to make over the next ten years or so. And also seeing him
• 1:04:32
  being essentially jealous of himself. Yeah, at the same time, because this
• 1:04:39
  is a version of him that grew up having everything that he wanted in the
• 1:04:42
  world and he's an asshole because of it. Yeah, So that was that
• 1:04:46
  was interesting to see, um, And I thought it was you know,
• 1:04:55
  because he has that wisdom over the other version of himself. He's the one
• 1:05:00
  who figures out in the end that this is an unwinnable scenario. It doesn't
• 1:05:05
  matter how many times we go back, we can't. We can't change this.
• 1:05:12
  Yeah, we can't. We can't fix this. And and the painful
• 1:05:15
  decision that he had to make to go back and just let that tragedy that
• 1:05:20
  defined him just let it happen. Um, that was powerful, you know,
• 1:05:26
  the last few minutes with his with his mother in the in the market
• 1:05:30
  there, that was that was powerful. And I also, um, I
• 1:05:34
  also enjoy how he even then he didn't even completely learn the lesson. Yeah,
• 1:05:44
  in the end, in the end, he moved the can of tomatoes
• 1:05:47
  so that his dad's face would show up on the the security camera and exonerate
• 1:05:53
  him. And it still had the butterfly effect because when Bruce steps out of
• 1:06:00
  the car, it's not who we expected to be, right, Um,
• 1:06:03
  Which I don't know how they're going to rectify that going forward, but that's
• 1:06:06
  that's a whole that's a whole other thing. So yeah, so I mean
• 1:06:12
  they could even I mean they could even use that in the sequel somehow that
• 1:06:17
  he's had he still hasn't fixed everything. He still has work to do to
• 1:06:21
  uh, to fix what happened. A lot of people, you know,
• 1:06:26
  I like the cameos. There are a lot of cameos when he's inside the
• 1:06:30
  multiverse or whatever it's called. A lot of people complained about the CGI.
• 1:06:36
  Yeah, I didn't mind so much. I think because I understood that that
• 1:06:45
  is a representation of those events that he's seeing while he's inside the speed force
• 1:06:53
  that's not which is what the director has said. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:06:57
  um. I I enjoyed the movie. I thought it was fun.
• 1:07:03
  Yeah. I thought it was goofy and silly. At some points it made
• 1:07:08
  me laugh a lot. I was very entertaining an emotional with it. Um.
• 1:07:15
  I heard something walking into the movie that stuck with me the entire time,
• 1:07:18
  and I wanted to bring it up to you. See what your thoughts
• 1:07:20
  are. Okay, okay. If if they had swapped out Michael Keaton and
• 1:07:28
  they used Christian Bale instead, did everything the exact same, but it was
• 1:07:32
  Bail, would it resonate as well no, I don't think so okay,
• 1:07:42
  and that's me I don't have I don't have the same connection to Christian Bale
• 1:07:46
  that I have to Michael Keaton. M Yeah. I mean I was twelve
• 1:07:57
  years old when Batman eighty nine came out, so you know, I was
• 1:08:00
  approaching being a teenager, but I was still very much a kid. Yeah.
• 1:08:05
  Um so it's a call back to It's a call back to my childhood.
• 1:08:14
  So I think that's why I I connected with with Keaton. M.
• 1:08:23
  So to give you an idea though, Okay, Thatavan Begins was released in
• 1:08:27
  two thousand and five, so but eighteen years ago. Yeah, so for
• 1:08:30
  for kids who were ten years old when that movie came out, they'd be
• 1:08:34
  what mid twenties by now, so like for them, it would be the
• 1:08:39
  exact same thing that you experienced. Um So, I get why people are
• 1:08:44
  asking that question, but I think this was basically the last time you could
• 1:08:48
  do it with Keaton, and you got to do that. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:08:55
  um, I enjoyed the film. Uh. As far as your question
• 1:09:02
  of like what are they doing with George Clooney and the further moving on,
• 1:09:10
  I kind of have a feeling that because James Gunn has said. There's an
• 1:09:15
  interview he did on Michael Rosenbaum's podcast where he said that Blue Beetle will be
• 1:09:20
  the first d DCU character, but Superman would be the first DCU movie.
• 1:09:29
  So to me, it sounds like okay, But here's my understanding of what
• 1:09:34
  that means. They're gonna pick and choose what they want. The reboot is
• 1:09:42
  Superman, and then going forward, there might be elements that were in the
• 1:09:46
  past, but it's gonna be like, here's a new timeline that may have
• 1:09:51
  similar elements with it from what you've seen, So those histories don't matter,
• 1:10:00
  but the characterization is the same. Well, I mean, we've also got
• 1:10:04
  another Aquaman movie right coming, right, So they've made such a mess.
• 1:10:15
  They have made such a mess, and it's not, um, it's not
• 1:10:19
  beyond them. They know this, they know this. Um, that's bull.
• 1:10:27
  I was gonna say, the Bull of the Bull of Spaghetti. Yeah.
• 1:10:30
  Um yeah. That's why I think Superman is going to be the hard
• 1:10:35
  reboot more than they want us to know right now, because they don't want
• 1:10:40
  to say everything is completely rebooting on Superman. Well, then why do I
• 1:10:43
  need to see these other movies? Yeah? Yeah, Um, I mean
• 1:10:51
  this movie went through rewrites and reshoots and all that. I don't know why
• 1:10:56
  they didn't use this as the opportunity to do all that. Yeah, they
• 1:11:02
  absolutely should have. They'm also disappointed that the last one. Yeah, I'm
• 1:11:09
  also disappointed that, um, you know, Grant Gustin didn't show you could
• 1:11:16
  have put him in there in any capacity at all. Um. And it
• 1:11:21
  was even more stinging when you see the Golden Age Flash in the and it's
• 1:11:28
  Tony's ears. Yeah. Yeah, it's not even John Wesley ship. Yeah,
• 1:11:33
  it's a guy masquerading as yeah, as the Golden Age Flash. So
• 1:11:39
  I don't know what the deal was at that. Yeah. Yeah. What's
• 1:11:45
  funny is, like he has said, I didn't they didn't bring me in
• 1:11:48
  for that. They just took footage of me and then kind of altered it.
• 1:11:53
  And yeah, like which means I mean they one hundred percent had the
• 1:12:00
  ability to put Grant Gustin exactly in there. So I mean they had filmed.
• 1:12:11
  So people are asking, you know what, Miller not canceled, why
• 1:12:14
  would they use them for this? Look, man, they shot this movie
• 1:12:17
  years ago. Yeah, and like we're holding off on the effects and everything.
• 1:12:23
  They kept rewriting the Easter eggs in it, Like, eventually they just
• 1:12:28
  had to to release the thing, and they had invested so much money into
• 1:12:32
  this to reshoot it with the new actor was just untenable. Yeah. No,
• 1:12:38
  I wasn't saying that they should reshoot it with new actor. I'm just
• 1:12:41
  talking about all the cameos they of all the cameos they did, they didn't
• 1:12:45
  they didn't do John Wesley Ship and Grant Gustin and that that was baffling to
• 1:12:51
  me. Yeah. Yeah. Uh. Andrew Mucchietti has says that there is
• 1:12:57
  a deleted scene with Keaton explaining why he gave up being Batman. Yeah,
• 1:13:03
  apparently it's a very powerful scene. He says it's going to be in the
• 1:13:06
  deleted scenes for the DVD. So okay, yeah, I did, like,
• 1:13:12
  um, you know where he says God, he basically said, I'm
• 1:13:16
  not needed anymore. Gotham City. Gotham City is the safest big city in
• 1:13:20
  the world or something to that, which is what you know, And that
• 1:13:25
  really hit home for me being a New Yorker. Yeah, because New York
• 1:13:30
  City used to be an utter shithole right in the seventies and the eighties.
• 1:13:35
  New York City was an absolute shit hole. And say what you want about
• 1:13:41
  him now, I know he kind of went off the rails, uh the
• 1:13:44
  last few years. But Rudy Giuliani came in and really cleaned up New York
• 1:13:48
  City and um, you know, it became the kind of place that you
• 1:13:53
  could you could take your kids. Yeah, And that was the tagline that
• 1:13:57
  we would hear all the time, is safest big city in the world save
• 1:14:00
  this big city in the world, and it was true. It's a shit
• 1:14:03
  hole again. It's an absolute shit hole again because the last two guys are
• 1:14:06
  are are completely incompetent. But you know, so to hear that line and
• 1:14:12
  have them equate that to Gotham City as a New Yorker, I kind of
• 1:14:16
  said to myself, I would I would be interested to see that Gotham City
• 1:14:20
  and see what it see what it looks like. But apparently if the city
• 1:14:24
  becomes really nice, then your, um, your mansion on the outskirts of
• 1:14:29
  town becomes a shit al because nobody's cut the grass in ten years. That
• 1:14:33
  was my favorite. When Ben Affleck was holding onto the rubber truth, the
• 1:14:38
  last oh truth, and I really wanted to fix Gotham. I would get
• 1:14:42
  rid of Bob. Yeah. Yeah, that's funny that he admits it.
• 1:14:48
  Yeah. Yeah. But so it was you know, even though I didn't
• 1:14:54
  like the Justice League movie Slash movies, Um, it was nice to see
• 1:15:01
  them together again, even though we didn't get all of them, um,
• 1:15:06
  you know, getting Batman and Wonder Woman in Flash one. It was it
• 1:15:11
  was nice. It was nice. It was nice to see Yeah, um
• 1:15:15
  the you know, I like how Alfred was there and basically called him in
• 1:15:21
  to uh, to clean up Batman's mess. That was cool. I thought
• 1:15:28
  the the scene with the with the baby shower, yeah was neat Um that
• 1:15:36
  he couldn't just grab them because he would hurt the babies. Yes, yeah,
• 1:15:41
  yep. I think there was a missed opportunity there where you know,
• 1:15:46
  he's running low on calories and he needs and he needs some food, um,
• 1:15:54
  and you know they had him break into the vending machine. I think
• 1:15:57
  there was a missed opportunity for some comedy there if he just started sucking down
• 1:16:01
  baby formula. Yeah, because it's literally it's just liquid calories. That's all
• 1:16:09
  it is. Yeah, that's all it is. Yeah. You know a
• 1:16:14
  scene with him on the ground later and he's belching, and he's just like,
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  oh, that's gusting, that's so gross. How can they drink that
• 1:16:19
  stuff? You could have done. Somebody pats his back like good job,
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  and then that's when he belches like he's been converted, or he spits up
• 1:16:26
  like a like a little baby does, but he has too much formula.
• 1:16:30
  Yeah, miss missed opportunity. That's a missed opportunity. That's funny. Um.
• 1:16:34
  I enjoyed it. I took my son and his friend to see it.
• 1:16:36
  They both enjoyed it. Oh good, Um nice. Yeah, the
• 1:16:42
  post credit scene, I mean, it was nice to see that guy,
• 1:16:46
  but it really didn't add anything. Yeah, it didn't matter. It didn't
• 1:16:50
  add anything at all. Yeah. Um, I would have much rather seen
• 1:16:58
  a hint of something to come. Yeah, whether it's Bruce, Wayne Clark,
• 1:17:03
  Kent, somebody. I don't think they. I mean, I imagine
• 1:17:08
  at this point they do kind of know what's to come, but to to
• 1:17:12
  have the people in place already to kind of show that, I don't think
• 1:17:15
  they're at that point. So yeah, um, it was really cool seeing
• 1:17:23
  Christopher Reeve yeah with that cool yes, yes, So that hit me right
• 1:17:30
  right in the fields. Yeah, because you know, growing up, that
• 1:17:34
  was my that was my Superman and seeing him on screen with Helen's later,
• 1:17:42
  that's the first time we've seen that those two characters, you know, those
• 1:17:45
  movies exist in the same universe, but we've never seen those two characters right
• 1:17:49
  together, right, So it was it was cool. M I do like
• 1:17:58
  to that Keaton had no idea what Superman was. Yeah, that's kind of
• 1:18:02
  weird because they have a they have a Batman eighty nine comic and a Superman
• 1:18:11
  seventy eight comic, right, and it's based on the Keaton Batman and the
• 1:18:16
  Reeve Superman, and they've they've confirmed that they exist in the same universe.
• 1:18:24
  So well, that's that strange spaghetti Yeah, and and you know we know
• 1:18:30
  that. See it's it's weird because Val Kilmer and what's the other guy,
• 1:18:39
  the guy stepped out of the car at the end, Jess George Clooney.
• 1:18:43
  They are that that is the same Batman. Yeah, um, but they've
• 1:18:46
  kind of treated it like it's not. Yeah, and I think it was
• 1:18:53
  I think it was George Clooney who dropped who name dropped Superman in that movie?
• 1:18:58
  Yid you know this is why Superman works alone. So and the other
• 1:19:03
  argument is, you know, the Michael Keaton Batman that we saw Thursday night
• 1:19:10
  when we went to the movies is not the same Batman from the Nights in
• 1:19:15
  eighty nine movies. Right, Um, he's another version who is very very
• 1:19:20
  His timeline is very, very very similar to that one. I guess that's
• 1:19:26
  how we can explain that away, because you know, he's got a waterfall
• 1:19:30
  in his bat cave, Michael Keaton. Michael Keaton never had a waterfall in
• 1:19:32
  his back cave. I like when we were escaping and he's sitting they're doing
• 1:19:36
  his calculations. Yes, and that was a great That was a great callback.
• 1:19:43
  That was a great callback. Yeah. And then they all nuts,
• 1:19:46
  they all eat nuts together because you know, they went and got nuts.
• 1:19:49
  Yeah, it's awesome. So I enjoyed it. It's a good movie.
• 1:19:58
  All right. I think we lost our audience. Is anybody still Anybody's still
• 1:20:02
  watching? People are talking about like Adam West and all that. Yeah,
• 1:20:05
  okay, people are all right, all r yeah cool? All right,
• 1:20:12
  Well, I guess that's it for the show already next week. Okay,
• 1:20:16
  thanks for stopping by everyone, all right, Daniel, good to see you,
• 1:20:19
  talk a man. Bye.