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1 - Is It Too Late to Start a Podcast? · Sister Friend

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: Sister friend podcast may contain explicit content.
• 0:03
  SPEAKER_01: Listener discretion is advised.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_01: Oh fuck, it's hot already.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, do I put the AC on?
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_01: Can I be honest?
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I've been having hot flashes despite not actively being in menopause, because that's how my life and my hormones are going.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I just want to be honest, like people have underplayed heat hot flashes.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's not just like, oh, I'm warm.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's like my body is an inferno, and everyone is the cause of it in a single moment.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: I turn to Jake and I'm like, are you sweating?
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, no.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm yeah.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's you.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's not just like a funny joke on desperate housewives, you know, it's real.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of thought, I kind of thought it would be funny, like Edie.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like I could be the sexy cougar with hot flashes, and instead, um, my iron is low, and I'm very tired all the time.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_01: Which they didn't show in Desperate Housewives.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: No, it was just all about Mike the Plumber and and that woman who killed herself.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then the the tornado, or what's his name, gets killed by a flying pipe.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_01: Never forget.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's how I learned don't go outside in a tornado.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_00: I did not know that's how that I don't know how the series ended.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_00: So that you're just I don't know.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's the latest thing I remember.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: And then the thing before that is that that husband slept with the maid that was like carrying their it got really soap opery, which granted was the thing, but like it got messy.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_00: And then Lynette had to like pay all that money to get her kids into USC.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, but also Lynette adultified her youngest daughter, who was like fully taking care of her infant, and she was like, I had no idea she was getting up for feedings, and I'm like, Lynette, grow up.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: But she had the hottest husband, they had the hottest sex, if I remember correctly.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_00: Grow up.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_00: No, and remember Marcia Cry Edie Edie had the best sex.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_00: No, he was Edie was hot.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: I love Edie.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh do you want to intro this podcast real quick?
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, let's intro it.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's my sister, Cecily Bro.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_01: And that's my friend Adeline Minton.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_01: And you are listening to the Sister Friend podcast, where my sister and I are friends and sisters and ask each other questions and probably not get answers.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_00: Wee, wee, woo, woo.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_00: Guess who's the oldest?
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: Guess who's the youngest?
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm the only one.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm you're the oldest.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: I'm the wisest.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Cecily, even though you're the oldest and maybe should have picked our first question, I have a question for you for our first episode.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think it's relevant.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's I don't know.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think it's too late to start a podcast like in 2026?
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_01: I love it when you know but me.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like the opposite of a yes and is a no but.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_01: No, but no, and also we're talking about something else.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: No, I don't think it's too late.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: I think there are a lot of men who are not afraid to talk all the time.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm kind of in a space of like, why not me and my sister?
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'd love to hear from more people that aren't men.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm of a mind space, regardless of gender.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just noticing it never stops.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I'll hear a noise and I'm like, my God, what is that sound?
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_01: Why is nobody else alarmed by this?
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_01: And then I realize it's my voice.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm still talking and I am the sound.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_01: So at this point, let's get a mic on it because I feel like I need to like a zit.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_01: Let's just pop the zit here, get all the fucking shit out, and then maybe I have a chance at being normal.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_01: I personally love it.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: You famously didn't speak for a bit, you know.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_00: You didn't speak for a bit when you were a little baby, but you would speak in nonsense and you'd be like, Yeah, I just and I would like tell mom and dad, like, she wants apple juice.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_00: Her once.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_00: I also say her once apple juice.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_01: Her once.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_01: Her wants this.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_01: Her also went through years of speech therapy.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: So her had a lot of things on her plate before her knew it.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_01: But can I tell you something that's still true?
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_01: Her always wants a fucking apple juice.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_01: Her always wants a fucking apple.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: And now that I'm on the gluten-free train, her always wants a fucking cider.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: I always want a fucking cider.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_00: Please, cherry juice.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_00: Oh I I love my cherry juice.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_00: Cherry.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_00: Did you put you put magnesium?
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: No, I just cut, I just went straight for the cherry.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Okay, I just want the juice.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_01: So that's good.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's supposed to make you tired.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: So that's I'm glad you did it for our first recording.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's really give us a lot of I always tell Joey I go, it's cherry juice o'clock.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_01: Ah.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's fine.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think apple juice is far superior to tart cherry juice, but you're not going to be able to do it.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_01: Her wants tart cherry juice.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_00: Her wants tart cherry juice, and I buy three bottles of trader juice.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_00: And her shell.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_00: And her shell.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_00: And her shell.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_00: I this is not sponsored by Tarte Cherry Juice, although we are open to sponsors, obviously.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_01: I would I'd be open to it.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't know if episode one, they're gonna be rolling in part, but like cherry juice.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: The shirt stuff that makes Big Cherry get at us.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_01: Big cherry, we are not opposed.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: Get at us.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: So Cecily, today's topic is is it too late to start a podcast?
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_01: I did some mild research.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_01: And by mild, I mean I went to a coffee shop for a little bit and had a matcha and did quick goog and bravely did not use AI because it's not even that hard to not use it.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_01: Can you imagine?
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_01: Really not.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_01: Although they tried to make it actually not that hard at all.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, I decided to talk to you about, you know, if it is or isn't too late to start a podcast and kind of not the full history of podcasts, because in case you're under a rock for the last 10 years, there's thousands of them.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure you'll find one to listen to and get it.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_01: So don't worry, we don't go too deep into the history of podcasts, but just like a little bit to kind of explain the little bumps that it had in popularity along the way.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_01: How's that sound?
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_01: Take care.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna kind of take you through this the way I do with most trends in our relationships, Leslie, through marketing eyes, of course.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna have to discuss the diffusion of innovations theory, which is like one of my favorite nerdy marketing things.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_01: It basically describes when someone takes on a new technology or innovation in the stages under socially which we adapt them and who's more likely to do that or what.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_01: Does that sound familiar?
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_01: Have I like told you this before?
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_01: Or is this another one of my rambles that you've had to block out?
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like I I don't block out anything you say.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_00: I listen to every single word.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um I actually am not familiar.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me more.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: I think you will.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_01: You've probably heard of it also outside of it.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's super popular.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_01: So the different levels are innovators, early adapters, or adopters, uh, early majority, late majority, and then laggards.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna walk you through each of them.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_01: Is that what you're saying?
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_01: I can't disclose that.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_01: So we're gonna read through the rest.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_01: Hold your horses, and we'll get to it.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_01: So you know when podcast first started?
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_01: 1881.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, Cecily, you were so close.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's actually 1817.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: No, you absolute fool.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the first podcast is in 2004, which is way earlier than I thought.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it would be around that because of MPR, right?
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, kind of.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: I just, I don't know.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_01: For some reason, I was mid-coffee shop matcha sip, and I for some reason my brain broke thinking like 9-11 happened, and then three years later there's podcasts.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like that kind of people gotta talk about it.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we gotta talk about the never forget.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_01: I would never forget by constantly podcasting.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's our other podcast where we just talk about the really dark things.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_01: We have a 9-11 podcast.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_01: I think if you wanna no, you know what?
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_01: Let's stop that idea there.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: We're not even gonna riff on that because it's not gonna end well.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I can know you wanna see me riff, I'll riff.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: If I know anything about my sister, that bitch can riff on 9-11.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_01: I can fucking reel.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know where the word podcasting comes from?
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: No, I believe it was first used in the early 2000s.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's a combination of iPod and broadcasting.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_01: Podcasting together.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: So uh wonderful guy named, well, I don't know if he's wonderful.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know him personally, but some dude named Adam Curry is the pod father because he is credited as having one of the very first podcasts when it came out in 2004.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Curry discussed topics related to his everyday life as well as promoted other creators and his other projects.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_01: His everyday discussions regarding his life and the people in it essentially set up the framework for modern podcasts that we know and love.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: So I would identify Adam Curry as an innovator on our thing.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: So 2004, yes, a podcast existed, but in 04, do you think anyone knew what that word was?
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think we were all listening?
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: So it existed, but way, way early.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_01: So Adam Curry is absolutely an innovator because he's one of the first.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I found uh this uh information I found was from a wired interview, uh, which was called Audience with the Pod Father.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_01: Which is amazing.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of like if a tree falls in the forest, like, did a podcast happen?
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like to be an innovator, that's so cool that you're the first to do it, but like no one appreciates you or you're it's like Galileo's, you know.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think innovators, here's the thing innovators are great when they're successful, but behind every one innovator that's like, oh wait, he's the podfather, he launched all this.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: There's a thousand other people that tried something and were like, this is awful and it failed.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_00: So you're not throwing something like I'm not familiar with failure.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's something like Yeah.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's just like not.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: I think you should rephrase the words instead of I'm throwing something at the wall and just seeing what sticks, just say I'm an innovator, yeah, and then see whatever you do, maybe somebody else will adapt it.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_01: So just label yourself as an innovator.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody will know till 10 years later.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_00: Technically, I've been innovating my whole life.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_00: I've been nothing but innovating, and there's no one in sight, brother.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: So God bless the pod father.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: Sure, sure, sure, sure.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, do you want to see a picture of him?
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: Can you show me?
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: So this is him when he had the podcast.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: Can you see this?
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_01: It was called Daily Source Code.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like he's from the 80s and not 2004.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it may have been, I don't know, something from that, but this was Daily Source Code with Adam Curry.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_01: That was the thing I had for it.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_01: And then this is Adam Curry today.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_01: He's still a podcaster, he does a bunch of other stuff, but that's it now.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_01: Silver Fox.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, Silver Fox.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_01: I don't hate this haircut.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's all I'm gonna say.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you could walk around the Silver Lake Reservoir and see that haircut as far as the I can see.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: I will say he is just giving Los Feliz dad buck boy.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, or fuck boy with a podcast.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: What's the difference?
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_01: He's honestly not an innovator for podcasting.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_01: He might be an innovator for being the first buckboy with a podcast.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like which and like our surprise that it was like a white man who was like, People need to hear me.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_01: And Cecily, this is daily source code.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_01: So I think it was a daily episode that he would talk, which I think is why the format it's incredible, but also I think that's why the format became so casual, like with like conversations back and forth, because he's talking to it every single day.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: At a certain point, you would have to talk about, you know, who you saw or what you did.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's gotta get very casual when you're doing it every day.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that's why he's credited as like the traditional podcast talk show, is because that's how his was.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: Tracking.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: This is tracking.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's tracking.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, great.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: So he's an innovator.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's in 2004, right?
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_01: I probably started getting really into podcasts like 2017.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_01: What about you?
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_01: When did you start?
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: I specifically remember I had just graduated college, which was I guess 2020 last year.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_01: Do you like how I also went for the same flattery joke?
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: God, I guess it's so long ago, 2025.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, I can't, I can't believe it's already been a year since I graduated.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: One year crazy.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_00: But I I remember I had my first day job because full disclosure, I'm an actor, proud, and I've had my slew of day jobs, and the thing that has gotten me through day jobs is our podcast.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_00: I was working at a coffee shop and I would just listen to um my favorite murder and listen to all the murder and get stuck while I was washing the dishes.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's the best way to do dishes, is listen to murder, in my opinion.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um okay, but I'm glad you said that because I had the same thing.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I really remember, like, I don't want to say our generation, but really me and you started listening like 2016, 2017.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: So then I was like, why is there such a gap between 2004 to like let's say 2018, just to keep it like kind of in our thing, right?
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like that seems like a jump.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_01: So then I kind of went down that thing and I actually found a list of reasons from a bunch of different stuff that's actually like I never thought of it.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: So I was like, this is cool, and I'm gonna share it with you.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yay.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so a lot of things changed technologically by 2018 compared to like 2004.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: First and foremost, mobile phones became smart.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: So instead of having, you know, your Nokia, you can call someone.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: Now you obviously have a BlackBerry or a phone that you can go on apps, you can go online.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_01: So that's a huge jump.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: Now you have access to online streaming stuff like never before.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: So that's one big thing.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, along with that, cars adapted.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: So cars had better Bluetooth.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: It was less hard to get in a car and immediately play your music or your podcast.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the media became a lot easier to ease in with.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: So that's like you ever get in your car and the Bluetooth connects and it just automatically plays your last podcast.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know what Bluetooth is, but my point is is that ease of transition, if somebody's listening to a podcast, which is long form, they could start and then pick it back up in their car, no problem.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: So that kind of helped too.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: And then on with that, a lot of hands-free phone laws developed.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: And so what happened is because people were no longer using their phones like this, holding it up to their things from these hands-free laws, they were using Bluetooth, using all this.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: At the same time, uh, streaming music streaming services like Pandora and Spotify and Apple Music really started developing more.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: And what basically happened is they started developing like Pandora radio stations.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: So instead of before, you had to do a whole playlist where it's like, I only want Norah Jones and that kind of smooth, like chill coffee house playlist.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: You had to curate a playlist of all the artists.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: You got to put feist, all the people that kind of fit with her.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: You had to make a playlist, right?
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_01: Now we have channels for that.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_01: So you're like, I just want Nora Drones Radio.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to pick up your phone as much because your phone is automating.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: And we also developed better 5G, which means you don't have to have a stable Wi-Fi connection to access these streaming things.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: You tracking me?
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: I honestly just thought of the clip from Workaholics where the boss was like, play Nora Jones.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: And then they're like, I miss her.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_00: She goes, play Nora Jones.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: I love that girl.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: Hope she's okay.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: Who Nora Jones?
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: No, the actress who played the boss on Workaholics, Alan.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: I got it.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: Because Nora Jones, Nora Jones is fine.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know Nora Jones.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: Barnes and Noble, that alone, the amount of play she got, she's set.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: She's fine.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: Get me a frap at the Barnes and Noble and actually, not even the Barnes and Noble.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: Get me a I can't remember if it was Starbucks, but I wanted borders.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: I wanted borders.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: I miss borders.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, oh.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: God, that sounds good.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: I used to have afternoons.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: I just did that.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and then another thing.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so all these things develop from like 04 to like the early aughts and like the 2010s, right?
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: So we have like smarter phones, we have better 5G, we can connect it, we can take it with us on the go.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: And we have these automated playlists that we don't have to make that are long-term play sounds.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: So then it kind of opened the door for podcasts, which is a long-form listening, to fill that that we don't have to constantly update because it's like, I don't know if you don't have a playlist, you know, like trying to skip around, it gets to be like annoying.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: This way you can listen continuously, nonstop.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then the other thing is so I was like, great, that explains 2004 to like 2010, right?
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that kind of explains that jump.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: What about to like 2018?
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: Because I was like, that's not you know that different.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: Then I realized it's because of smart speakers.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: We got Amazon Echo and Google in our homes, and it made it even easier to say, hey, Alexa, play, you know, whatever it is, play this podcast.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: And for them.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: And it's also like, hey, what's my blood type?
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: And then Amazon knows it, and it's crazy.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: So we see 2018 has all these podcasts.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like you mentioned, 2016 MFM starts, uh, other favorites of ours start around that kind of time.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: A lot start in 2018.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: These are our first adapters.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: So they're not the first innovators like our guy Adam in 2004.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: They've had some time to cook and understand, and they're the first adapters.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: They're not the very, very first, but they're really early on the scene, which is why podcasts like My Favorite Murder, when it first started, were kind of like they were figuring out their format because it was still kind of a new thing.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: And they had enough space to build on what Adam Curry did, but still do something on their own.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: They're the first adapters.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: Well, what about like uh like I guess NPR is more like news and stuff, but they would do more like they would read essays and stuff, right?
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like people would they would, yes, and they would like there were more storytelling, not like Yeah, and like and audiobooks are kind of in that same thing.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: So, like the long form medias definitely existed.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: I remember dad's Harry Potter cassette book tapes.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, we all do.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: The long form media existed previously, it's just the timing, of course, sure.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: But like the timing of it along with what technology allowed us, it just made this perfect little peak for podcasting to like take off.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's so cool.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: That makes a lot of sense.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: I have another fun thing for you.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm right.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to see Pandora?
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's UI from 2010.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, I'm gonna get nostalgic.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I found an incredible website if you're ever bored.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: Tell me everything.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's www.webdesignmuseum.org.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: And they pretty much go through and find old UI websites from decades.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, first of all, you didn't have a webkins.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: Sit down.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm miss fucking young neo pets.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: No, you're not.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: I love neo pets and club penguin.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I didn't get on club penguin because I thought I'd get kidnapped and murdered, but that's neither here nor there.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I can't see this.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: So this I do remember.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I the the font alone.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: The font alone, but what I also wanted to point out is you can bookmark this song, this artist, and then buy from iTunes.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: So this was still also when streaming music, like you could buy your tune.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: So the whole point of why Pandora really worked in the early aughts is most people bought all their music.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: So if you paid this thing, you could have a radio, you couldn't control what you listened to, but you didn't have to own it all.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I just love this screen grab because I was like, wow, that's this alone is what a throwback.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: Oh okay.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: So that's one.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: This is another one to create a station.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: Of course.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: And if you had a if you had a new artist that you liked, good fucking luck.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: You couldn't put him on Pandora.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: Couldn't.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: This I also liked.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: I just liked the thumbs up, the thumbs down.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: Why did I think that this was uh what's his name?
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: Jack Sparrow's there you go.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_00: Make him begin a pancake.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: It does look like the accurate.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know his name.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: I thought his name was Jack Sparrow.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: I can tell you confidently, not Jack Sparrow, but it could be Jack Johnson's.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: Make another one.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: And then this was another one.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: This was another one just to show all the different radios that you could have.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I forgot what this looked like.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, definitely go to that website.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of a fun step back into time.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: Why am I sad, feeling nostalgic?
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's like looking through albums we've never made, you know?
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah, but also like I think it's particularly sad because it feels so long ago, but now this is gonna sound like such an a-hole thing to say.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: But like we're old enough now that it's like I remember that.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: I remember doing that.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: So it hurts because it's like not just oh from when I was a kid.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh no, I was like uh eighth grade, like doing that.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: I was not even born.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's so wild to be so new, you know, and just kind of learning.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: You were just a sperm.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: I was egging listening to Nora to Pandora radio.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: I was an egg deciding who I'm gonna be.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, deciding what sperm I take.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: Incredible.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: Come away with me in the night.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: We don't have the rights to that, so why don't you stop?
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: I've done a lot of singing.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_00: I promise you it's just cherry juice.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: The cherry juice gives gives gives me a thrill.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um Cecily, what was your wait before we move on?
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: What was like top three?
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: Did you have Pandora channels that you remember that you always did?
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: Because I have three off the top of my head that I can remember.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe that's too personal a question, but I do remember I can tell you mine first.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: Tell me yours.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: I remember Florence and the Machine was one.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that was always a good that was always a good Pandora station because it had flow flow, but then it would do like indie adjacent.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, yes.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: I had uh Florence and the Machine, pretty sure I had the black keys.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, that was later in high school.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: Pandora.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: Honestly, honestly, say it.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: I may have had a Jack Jackson Pandora radio station.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: Jack Sparrow radio station?
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: I had a Jack Sparrow Pandora radio channel.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: Making that tiny granola.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: Making that rum a pancake.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: Where did all the rum go?
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: But what were yours?
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: I think the gorillas I had one too, or the lucky fire.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: All of those like early aughts indie.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yeah, they were definitely in there.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: Huge.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, what else did I listen to?
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: Honestly, you probably did Nora Jones radio.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like, not even kidding.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that was a good classic radio station.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm gonna I love Nora Jones.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: I do too.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not even I'm not even joking.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: I was being curious.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not even joking.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: I love Pandora Stanley.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: I was I I was vulnerable and said I had a Jack Johnson Pandora radio station.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna think, okay, I I thought Own it.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: I was trying to think of what I listened to, and I was like, I'm sure pink was in there.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: Honestly, I think if you did a pink okay, it's an even word for one pink Pandora radio station.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: What are the the tracks that they're gonna play on it?
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: So it's pink, so what off the top.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: I was bitch, I was just about to say so what is number one.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: Then then it's gonna go into Avril Levine's girlfriend.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: Or what the hell, either or.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: Oh I still listen to what the hell and feel alone.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe maybe The Climb by Miley Cyrus.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: They might sneak in.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: They might sneak pink.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: Damn, you're so right for that.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: Or I can't wait.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: See you again.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's also Miley Cyrus.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: That's what's early.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure that got thrown in there.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like I like I liked pink.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: I like pink.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think I did listen to Arcade.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: No, yeah, I listened to a lot of arcade fire.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: We loved our well, yeah, because they're from our hometown.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: So I feel like that's that fits.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, honestly, black eyes probably had a Pandora station.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: We probably had a Black Eyep.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: Knowing our mother, Diane lived for that last album.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: That I can actually, you know what?
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: I will put money down.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: We had a black eyepiece Pandora.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: We had we definitely were listening, we were on Black Eyep.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: The energy it was on never dies.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: The energy is still with us, and I still feel like I'm in the Kia Soul with mom anytime any black eyep song comes on where I'm out in the world, which is at every wedding pretty much now.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: I had a dark thought that like say it.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I was gonna say it regardless.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: I I wasn't asking for permission.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: I was just gonna share a dark thought.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, mom, if she when she dies, we should absolutely play boom boom pow as they carry out her caskets.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's like she would love it.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: I've cut that boom boom pow to walk her out.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: She'd love it.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: She jumps out, or we like we like rigged so that her body like flings up and is like, I got that boom boom pow.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: 2008.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so 2000 and late.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: And then it launches.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: And then she is launched into the hole.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: Although I don't know if mom wants to be buried.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, probably.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: She's Irish Catholic.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're right.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: She's gonna want to be buried.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: You're right.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: Who am I?
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: I personally think it's a scourge to the environment.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: You can let me rot like the transcendentalists wanted, but you know, she's Irish Catholic, so put me, you can make me into ash and just kind of sprinkle me.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: I don't I don't care.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: Because I'll be gone.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: I'll be joining the great ocean of life.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: I have a really bad problem with like I read Thoreau and like Waldo, you know, like Ralph Waldo, Emerson, all of them.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it was supposed to be like kind of dark transcendentalism because they were like, your body will rot and then return to the earth and feed the earth, and from you, more life will grow.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I'm not even mad about that.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: That just sounds lovely.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: That sounds lovely.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: Take it, take me, take me away, or like James Baldwin really nailed it.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is something I've always believed, which is that everyone's so afraid of death that they like turn to all these rules because they like are so scared of being told what to do or not being told what to do, you know, and like they're looking for guidance, they are just like, tell me what to do, and that I'm good, you know.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: So they turn to religion or capitalism because they love the rules, but that's because they're clinging to rules because they're so scared of death.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: But if you just accept the fact that you like you don't need to be in a casket, you know, like you could just return to the earth in a cool, natural way that I don't know who's in charge, obviously, but like it's cool.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like, don't be so you guys, it's okay.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, have fun while you're here and be kind.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm also like, if you were to bury me, could you bury me in a cemetery that's like one of those NOLA ones where it's like also a kid's park on top?
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like, because people are weirded out by that.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I think that's great.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: Come hang out and listen to a podcast at my gravesite, put it on speaker.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'd love to listen.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'd love to hear a tale.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: Are watching primo movies and are seeing incredible cosplays, incredible joy.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: I personally would love to have a Hollywood cemetery grave on the Cinespia movie side.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I would love a crypt.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: And actually, you could pay to sit in the crypt.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm thinking like so you've gone beyond the nature of returning now you're I'm thinking passive income.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: I've I've I've left the capitalist hellscape.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: Sure, sure.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: I've left the realm.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm still gonna find a way for my homies back home.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: So like five dollars a spot, you get three mo sitting at the Cinespia movie, and you can hang out with my corpse.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think that's or I want that, or I want to rot in the forest and let the Beatles have at me.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: There's no in between for me.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's a spectrum for sure, you know.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's a spectrum.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's a spectrum.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like, do you want to be seen or do you want to be not seen?
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know?
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: I like to be seen.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: I don't really want to know I and T J Ian, whatever the fuck.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: I want to know well, do you want your body to be rotted or do you want your crypt to become a social hang?
• 29:47
  unknown: Yeah.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: Simple, like, hey, welcome to the party.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: Real quick, how do you want to be memorialized?
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and you can't hesitate.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: You have to say, like, right away, like, either rot or like, well, I do want my family.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: And if you're saying, like, oh, I want my family to see me to say goodbye, we know it's because you actually just want to be a star.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: And you just want to.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: So you're you're in the crypt.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: You're in the crypt.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: And your family can join you in the crypt, but like you're a social.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like we love you to death.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: If we were you.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: You don't want to be in a crypt with me.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: Is this what you're telling?
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm saying you don't want to be in a crypt with me.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm already a challenge in this life.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: When I ascend, how dare you?
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: I will leave this body, and I think I'll be even worse.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: Honestly.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: What are you talking about?
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: You'll be a delight.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: You're a delight.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's what everyone's telling me all the time.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm such a delight.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: You are a delight first.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: You're a delight first and foremost, and lovely second.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a delight first and a tear second.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, we're going back to my notes.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_01: We must.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: So when would you say there was like another little bump in podcasting?
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like you saw more podcast kind of launch.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: And there's not a there's not a right or wrong answer.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's just what I noticed, and I'm curious if you saw the same thing.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm wondering if it's 2020.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good guess.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_00: I okay, mine was around.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like people were like You're right around that.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: So I wrote 2022.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_01: But yes, I would say like 2020 to like 2024, there was like another little bump of like a lot of other stuff coming out.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: Totally.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: And you nailed it.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: Why do you think that might be?
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone was stuck at home because of the nuclear coronavirus.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: But I think also when people were in COVID hibernation, uh, they also were listening to a lot of podcasts.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like, hey, I could do this, I know how to do this, or like you and I are doing now, you could virtually connect with people.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the ease with which to start a podcast became a lot easier in that simply mics became a lot cheaper, people were home a lot more, people were laid off, they probably started different stuff, and maybe they saw some early uh, you know, what is it?
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe they saw first adapters learn some shit, were like, hey, we could do this.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm bored after COVID, and I did it.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: These people are the late majority.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me what your COVID day looked like, like in lockdown.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: Can you tell me what your tell me like a day, like let's let's go back to like that awesome time?
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, I um fun fact, I feel like.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: Tell me through what your day looked like.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: Sure, sure.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I do think everyone is quick to move on from COVID.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: Can I tell you a fact that I know is gonna mess up your brain?
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's very American of us to go, didn't happen, moving on.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, no, I I it is relevant to that.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna uh say, do you know that as of September 1st, we are now officially in the late 2020s?
• 32:54
  unknown: Dang.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's the latter half of 2026.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: So, like to me, that first half, like 2020 to now, um, had a cute little Menti B in 2020.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: And now I'm here.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: Who am I?
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I look who among us.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, I think my day-to-day COVID thing, I was one of the fun people that got laid off like three weeks into it.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: So I was unemployed for like 95% of it.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: And the first couple weeks were definitely like denial, everything's fine, we're just gonna keep applying.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: Then I'd reached this point where I was like, oh, everyone's on pause.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone's on pause.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: There's no application, no one's hiring.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: And then the government started sending like support for people that got laid off.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: So luckily, I was like under that.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's like almost like they could do that still.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's almost like I pulled myself up by my bootstraps by using socialist measures.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm kidding.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, I didn't, I had help because that's what everyone needs.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, and it was great and it was fine, but then I had no motivation to do anything, and so I literally played Animal Crossing from 7 a.m.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: off until 3 a.m.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_00: I love that because your out of your museum on your island, the best thing I've ever seen.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I realize like now talking about Animal Crossing in 2026, like we're way delayed.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: People have moved on, they're on to Pacopia, which I'm also into now.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like, don't get me wrong.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_01: But Animal Crossing, because we played it as like kids, but during that 2020, because it ran in like real time and there was just nothing to do but find fossils for blathers.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not kidding.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: That game literally saved my life.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not kidding.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's why my museum looks so good.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: You were like, Wait, hey, what's your day today?
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: COVID looked like that's what it looked like.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I had nothing else happen.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: That museum is your like magnum opus, I think.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it's fucking stunning.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: I also watched The Wire.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: And those are the two sides of the video.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't finished The Wire.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: We're almost done.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: He's in season two, the union man.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: The union.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: The union.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: He's the union.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for asking me what I did during COVID.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Cecily, what did you do during COVID besides date?
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_00: Besides what?
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: Date.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, sure.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I I would see like You were dating?
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: I saw like one person at a time for like a couple of months.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: I just meant like dating in COVID was weird.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: It was a challenge in of itself.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think people who were casually singly dating during COVID, it's like a different experience.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_01: I yeah, for context, Jake and I, neither one of us had lived with another person before, and we moved in for the first time with a significant other in December of 2019.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: So like I was with him, and that's one of the reasons I'm convinced we got married.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: Because once you get through that shit, it's like, oh, okay, like this is you know what I mean?
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like more than that.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and me, I was on the opposite side of the spectrum.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: I got out of a six-year-long abusive relationship right at the start of COVID.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then honestly, a great time though.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: Better that than the end, am I right?
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: Sure, sure.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: But it was like I was ready to hit the scene, you know, I was ready to lay poon.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: But unfortunately, I was not allowed to.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: So that was unfortunate.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: And all of my jobs, I lost my jobs.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, acting wasn't happening, and the only job that stuck was my wine job.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I worked at a wine store, and that was that got me through a lot.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_00: And then I just walked a lot.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: Walked a lot around.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: Here's a good question.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_00: What were your podcasts during COVID?
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, my pod that is a really good question, right?
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: My podcasts during COVID were uh Tara Brock's podcast Radical Radical Acceptance.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_00: We were doing a lot of hard deep, we were doing a lot of deep uh working and working on ourselves.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, obviously, I listened to our podcast.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: We loved wine and crime and um Yes, love to wine and crime still at murder.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I listened to a lot of books.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_00: I love listening to books.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I was listening to attachment theory.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: I was getting into all the like we have to get the root of the rot out, pull it out.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: And so I would just walk and listen to Tara Brock and drink tequila out of a tumbler.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if Tara would like the tequila part, but like, you know what?
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: Go off.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: No, but God, I walked these uh Silver Lake Hills like you wouldn't believe in a great time.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_00: So what were you listening to during that time?
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think I started listening to And That's Why We Drink in 2021.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_01: I honestly don't think I listened to a lot of podcasts.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe Crime Junky, but I have to be honest, I just remember nothing but Animal Crossing.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: And like Jake would play other games too, but because we had the Switch, I could like have it.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: So it was like the wire will be on the background and then Animal Crossing.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not kidding, like I don't remember much else.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I think I really like needed it.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: So much, much like our childhood, I don't really recall a lot.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, sure, but you do, and that's good.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_00: And this is a good idea.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: One of us, one, one of us has it.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_00: So as long as one of us something like flew off my hand, and I think it was a spider, and I don't even need to know.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna Is it a spider or a nail?
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's a spider.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: Look, these nails ain't going nowhere.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: These are real.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_00: Question for you for podcasts.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: When do you find, like, why do you listen to podcasts?
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what is it that you feel inside when you listen to them?
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good question.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_01: I have actually worked a lot with my occupational therapist, and I am realizing that with my Audi HD, I do very well with uh audio timers.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: So, what I love about a podcast is like what you were saying is dishes, but also like usually the ones I listen to are like about an hour.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll purposely like I have an hour to clean and I'll use it as like a timer almost.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um that's so I guess my feelings associated with it are like productivity, like driving somewhere that I have to go.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's usually like a longer drive, like driving into work or you know, something like that.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like, so to me, it's very like and and I mostly, if not all, I listen to is just true crime.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: I don't I'm trying to get into other stuff that's like more lighter, but I listen to a lot.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_00: Can I tell you in therapy, therapy today?
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_00: Today, I spoke to my therapist and was like, is it normal that I am walking?
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's normal.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you have to do your boy your hoarding, your hoarders.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think it's normal?
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think listen?
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Dr.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_01: Suzanne Chabot.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_01: This is hoarders.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think it's normal to have 45 boxes in your living room?
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's normal.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_00: My therapist said, because I was like, is it why am I listening to only horror books when I'm on my I go on these walks in the morning to regulate my brain and bring down that cortisol?
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, that feels counterproductive, but it feels so good and like comforting.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_00: And she said one of her studies that she did in college that she had to present about was about how people who have chaotic childhoods tend to gravitate towards horror and true crime, but mainly like horror, because it there's a comfort in it ending.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_00: There's a beginning, middle, and end.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's just unsolved, it's not, you know, weak anticipation.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's like you know it's a story, and like you know, you can get like a kind of a comfort from knowing.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_00: You can put it uh down, you can feel the feelings, but you can complete the cycle instead of like being stuck in it as you might have felt maybe in childhood, which I thought was fascinating.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: I've heard that is true also for folks with ADHD and anxiety, which of course that like Venn diagram, I'm sure overlaps.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_00: What is this but that?
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_00: You and I come up.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_01: Here's the question, Cecily.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_01: Is it too late to start a podcast?
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_01: Is it even worth it now?
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think so, because based on a website I found called the current state of podcasting, which I was like, we should, if anyone ask Adam Curry, be like, the Podfather's still with us.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_01: Let's ask him.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, he's dead, move on.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, the pod father made it, and then he died.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, no, he's like 56.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_01: He's like right over there.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: They treat him that like every woman, they treat him like every woman who turns 40.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, he's dead.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: Get him out of here, get him out.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_01: Gross.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so this is from RSS.com.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the data is clear.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_01: Podcasting is still expanding.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: 73% of Americans aged 12 plus have consumed a podcast, and globally, 584.1 million people are tuning into podcasts.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: And then later they said 55% of Americans are now monthly podcast consumers, meaning more than half of the population regularly listens to shows.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_01: This represents the first monthly consumption has reached the majority of adults in the US.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_01: Whoa.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and then their last thing they said is this matters for creators because it means you're not, you're no longer competing for early adopters.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: You're creating content for a mainstream audience that expects quality, consistency, and values.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_01: Well, so all this to say, we've got cards.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_01: We are laggards, sure.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, which is about 16% of people.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: They're traditionalists who resist change and are the absolute last to adopt an innovation.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's us.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: I wear that title proudly.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm kind of like, y'all work at the kinks.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_01: Try a bunch of shit.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_01: White men, have a bunch of podcasts.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_01: Go ahead.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: Go see what works for you.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna take note, take the little pieces, and then just have fun over here.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: And if it works, great.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: And if it doesn't, it's fine.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: I like being a laggard.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm okay with it.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_00: I don't do it.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's getting very uh rule follower if you're like in the beginning.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, you, you're the person that's like, I love a board game and give me all the rules.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, I would rather.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_01: I just think like I'm very comfortable being an early adopter or the early majority or laggards.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: How brave of you.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_00: You're really brave to want to be an early majority.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm literally in either the median or I want to be the very last.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: Anything else?
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to be first.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't need to be the late majority, is like, all right, you kind of last.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_01: So I feel like we're we're laggards.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_00: We're laggards.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'm fine with it.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'm laggards now.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: Not haggard.
• 43:32
  unknown: Bump.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, or we're laggards.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_01: We're just the last to adopt.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, that's all I got for you.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: That was well snaps.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for that beautiful deep dive.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like I learned.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, it's not, it's not research, but when I read the thing about like from you know the late 2010s, I was like, that's really fucking interesting.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's not just Like, oh, your mobile phone.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_01: I thought the thing with cars was really wild.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_01: How like that really transformed how we listen to shit?
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like just a simple shift turns.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: Or like even just 5G, like having better access connections.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: Still don't really know what that is.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_00: Just kind of like whatever.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, I just know it, I just know it makes you gay.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: So that's one thing I do know.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_00: That's one thing I I learned.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_00: I learned that from Adam Curry's podcast.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: Shout out the pod five.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_00: Friend of the pod.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_00: Friend of the pod.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_00: Friend of the pod, Adam Curry.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, we must look up his beliefs because I'm worried.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: He he might very very much so be a horrible person, but Cecily, he's the first innovator.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's the thing with innovators.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_01: You don't actually have to be good.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: No, you just gotta be the first one to try it.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_01: So if anything, Cecily, if you're in a creative endeavor and you're like, this is awful and it's stupid, give it a shot.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_01: Because you might be the first innovator.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_01: And if you are, it doesn't have to be perfect.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_00: You just gotta be first, baby.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_00: You just gotta be first.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so thrilled to be doing this with you because I know podcasts are very much our love language, and that's okay.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it is you and okay.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: Fighting.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, fighting me.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_00: What do you mean?
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: All right, all right, okay, fighting me.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, fighting fighting over our love language.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it would be something else.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_01: I I do love it.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's one of our languages.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_00: We speak many languages.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, obviously.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_01: I would I would agree with that, but I wouldn't say it's I wouldn't say it's the love language.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_01: I would put like 40 other things ahead of us, what including just a simple eyeball of well, of course, and our call across Walmart.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_00: You went out.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_00: No, I was saying I'm glad that we got to talk about this, and I'm so excited and thrilled to be doing this with you because podcasts are it's one of our love languages because I would agree with that.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_00: We love to share podcasts with each other, we love to live podcast shows.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_00: We just went to wine and crime and had the time of our lives.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: So and you know, if we can do it, well right?
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_00: Can we end here?
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_00: Let's bleep out his name, you know?
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_01: We can do that.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_01: Sure, I don't care.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, that's pretty much all I have for you.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's like all I'm feeling.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_01: But how are you feeling?
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_01: How do you what are your thoughts?
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: How do you feel with the information I gave you?
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: Do you feel comfortable and learning that you're a laggard?
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_01: Or do you feel like we're too late?
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like even if we are too late, this circles back to like we're all gonna die.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_00: So, like, who cares?
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know what, Cecily?
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna do it.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_01: If worse comes to worse, I'll meet you in the crypt, babe.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_01: We'll catch you.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'll save you a seat.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_01: We'll watch Austin Powers from my comfy crypt.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, that sounds awesome.
• 46:50
  unknown: Right?
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_01: You're invited to the crypt.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: Jay can come to the crypt.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_01: Joey.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone's invited.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_01: Joey.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, it's interesting.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's interesting.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_00: Joey, we'll wait and see.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I love you, my Seaster friend.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_00: I love you too, Seaster friend.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, think of a question to ask me later.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_00: And oh, yeah, if you like this, you know, listen because we got more questions that we're gonna answer for each other and join in the discussion.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, make sure to follow so you can keep up with it.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, if the question you had asked wasn't asked today on the episode, you can always shoot us a question.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I don't know, Tessa.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: You can DM us.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: What are some questions you want to answer?
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_01: Person, uh, I would say relationship questions.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you can ask us relationship or like what is family?
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_00: It can be as simple as what is family?
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_00: What is, you know, what is something that you think about that I try to make it simple, you know me.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: I try to be like, I uh I mean, yeah, but what is family is not a simple answer, Cecily.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_01: That is a complex, incredible and that's I would also just love like, hey, what's your go-to donut order?
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_01: You can keep it easy like that, or Cecily's much more essential life questions.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_00: Who can tell?
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_00: Who's the Pisces?
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_00: Who's the Gemini?
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_00: Tag yourself, who's the water sign.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love you.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: All right, I love you too.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'll talk to you soon.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, money.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, goodbye.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_00: Music by Ashley Morton.
• 48:35
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• 48:40
  SPEAKER_00: You can also follow us on Instagram at Sister Friend Podcast.