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She Lost Her Daughter to Fentanyl. Then Found Her Voice · Groove with Portia

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Group Porsche, the podcast that uncovers the hidden
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Speaker 1: treasures within grief. I'm your host, Porsche the Producer, and
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Speaker 1: I'm inviting you to join me on a transformative journey
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Speaker 1: where we were exchange laughter, of course the best medicine
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Speaker 1: of them all, reflect on cherish memories, Remember that time
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Speaker 1: that the little boy grabbed my hand instead of his
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Speaker 1: mother's at the amusement park yikes, and of course, discover
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Speaker 1: gratitude while navigating one of the life's hardest challenges lost.
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Speaker 1: So get ready to grow with me, Porsche the Producer,
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Speaker 1: let's dive in. Hello everybody, and welcome back to Growl Porsche.
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Speaker 1: I am your host, Porsche Booker, and as always, don't
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Speaker 1: all things Grew with Porsche. You know, one of the
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Speaker 1: things that I've always said is that our stories are
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Speaker 1: not for us. I'm going to say that again. Our
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Speaker 1: stories are not for us. Our stories are to help
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Speaker 1: others and give them permission to share what's going on
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Speaker 1: in their life. Because think about it realistically, how many
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Speaker 1: times have you been in the company of somebody and
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Speaker 1: when you shared something, they opened up right, It's kind
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Speaker 1: of that mirror effect, if you want to think of
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Speaker 1: it in that way. But when we share our stories,
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Speaker 1: it helps us to heal and it helps us to
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Speaker 1: give others that same permission. Let that sink in. So
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Speaker 1: today I have the opportunity of being joined by an
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Speaker 1: individual who I met through actually one of my clients.
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Speaker 1: Shout out to Miss Lisa Counsel for the introduction. She's
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Speaker 1: a mom, She's also a domestic violence survivor and just
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Speaker 1: an amazing individual. So welcome to Girl Portie, Miss Kia Wallace. Kia,
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Speaker 1: how are you today?
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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm doing great. Thank you. Thank you so much, Kiah.
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Speaker 1: I knew when I heard your story before, and we're
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Speaker 1: going to dive into it shortly. But before we dive
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Speaker 1: into obviously your work, the domestic violence situation that you've
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Speaker 1: been in, I want to take a minute to honor
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Speaker 1: your daughter today. I want to take a minute to
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Speaker 1: let you share with our audience who your daughter was
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Speaker 1: and what do you want people to remember about her.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 3: I would definitely love for everyone to know that Jordan was.
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Speaker 2: The best part of my life.
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Speaker 3: I'll say I just really emmon still a disbelief that
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Speaker 3: she's not here with us. She would have been eighteen
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Speaker 3: years old if she would be here with me today.
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Speaker 3: But the biggest thing I really just want everyone to
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Speaker 3: know is that Jordan was a very caring person. So
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Speaker 3: many other children came to me or found me on
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Speaker 3: social media after she passed, and they share different stories.
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Speaker 3: I mean, her helping them with reading, you know, younger
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Speaker 3: kids in school, to helping with bullying situations. So I
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Speaker 3: really just really I feel so proud that my child
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Speaker 3: was part of that, and that just shows what kind
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Speaker 3: of love was shown through her life, you know, because
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Speaker 3: I really feel like the people that really showed that
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Speaker 3: kind of compassion, it's because it's in them from the
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Speaker 3: people that love doing them. So I really think that,
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Speaker 3: you know, that brings me a lot of joy that
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Speaker 3: she stood out the people in that sense, but also too,
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Speaker 3: with her passing and the manner that she did pass
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Speaker 3: I think it's so important that every single person always
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Speaker 3: realized that anything can happen to us, and we're not
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Speaker 3: exempt from anything happening to us. My daughter passed from
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Speaker 3: my fentel overdose at fifteen years old. She died April
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Speaker 3: twenty of twenty twenty three, and she was you know,
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Speaker 3: a typical teenager. I really didn't expect for her to
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Speaker 3: take that type of turn in her life.
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Speaker 2: It did happen, But one thing for sure is that.
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Speaker 3: I really could say that there's no support for it
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Speaker 3: in that type of situation. So it's been quite interesting
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Speaker 3: the last three years just trying to build my own
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Speaker 3: stuff up or trying to figure out, am I the
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Speaker 3: only person who's had a minor child dying this manner
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Speaker 3: in my in my neighborhood and my community. What resources
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Speaker 3: are there. I actually had the privilege of participating and
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Speaker 3: testifying for a house build that was to support getting
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Speaker 3: a juvenile's treatment and things like that. So it's been
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Speaker 3: a learning experience, but also too, it's been a learning
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Speaker 3: experience for really seeing how we're vulnerable as a people,
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Speaker 3: as community, and really just learning a lot.
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Speaker 1: And Kia, first of all, lots of love to you.
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Speaker 1: What a beautiful story and honor and legacy that you're
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Speaker 1: putting forward in Jordan's honor. You know, I feel like
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Speaker 1: I know her just the little bit that you shared
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Speaker 1: that compassion, that being the advocate right like mother, like daughter,
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Speaker 1: because you're doing the same thing obviously in the world
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Speaker 1: of domestic violence and kiv as I brought up you
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Speaker 1: were You've had to navigate both domestic violence and the
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Speaker 1: transition of your daughter, two very highly stigmatized things, domestic
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Speaker 1: violence and obviously your daughter, you know, dying from fentanyl.
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Speaker 1: And when you look back, KIAV, what was one of
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Speaker 1: the most difficult lessons you had to learn about grief,
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Speaker 1: survival and rebuilding your life.
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Speaker 3: M wow, I can definitely say that nobody is going
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Speaker 3: to save you. You have to be willing to get
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Speaker 3: up and take every opportunity that comes before you, meaning
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Speaker 3: that it's really a choice. Do you want to choose
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Speaker 3: to be depressed and stuck in your your sorrows and
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Speaker 3: what happened to you for the rest of your life
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Speaker 3: or do you want to make a purpose out of
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Speaker 3: those experiences? And you know, I really agree with how
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Speaker 3: you opened up about telling your story, sharing your story
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Speaker 3: of being helpful to someone else. When my daughter died,
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Speaker 3: I was actually in the middle of my domestic violence
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Speaker 3: kind of sort of speaking. I had just relocated to
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Speaker 3: be closer with my spouse. I was still legally married
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Speaker 3: to him at the time, and it just did not
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Speaker 3: work out, so I ended up having to move into
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Speaker 3: my own place with my children. I had three kids,
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Speaker 3: and I would say that, you know, I really expected
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Speaker 3: being that I was closer to my family. I had
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Speaker 3: relocated to Maryland from North Carolina. All my family live
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Speaker 3: in Maryland, so I thought that, hey, I'm going through
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Speaker 3: this with him, he's acting crazy.
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Speaker 2: Somebody's gonna help me.
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Speaker 3: Somebody be willing to let me temporarily stay with them,
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Speaker 3: or you know, give me some support something nothing. I
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Speaker 3: had to do all the footwork on my own, and
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Speaker 3: it created a lot of resentment. It created a lot
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Speaker 3: of confusion with how I felt about different relatives in
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Speaker 3: my life because you have you know, really sometimes you
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Speaker 3: really think that people will show up no matter what,
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Speaker 3: whether they're your mother or your father or whatever.
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Speaker 2: But when you're.
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Speaker 3: Really in those situations like I was, I came to
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Speaker 3: find out nobody was coming to save me. And I
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Speaker 3: really had to figure this out on my own. And
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Speaker 3: it was super duper hard. When I got into my
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Speaker 3: own place, it was literally starting out for a scratch, yeah,
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Speaker 3: And I tried to really emphathize with people and share
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Speaker 3: with them that you know, I know that you really
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Speaker 3: hope that you know someone X, Y and Z they
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Speaker 3: would do this for you, but you have to be
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Speaker 3: willing to do it yourself. So that I would say
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Speaker 3: that it brought out a lot of strength that I
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Speaker 3: didn't really see myself happen to use or didn't know
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Speaker 3: that I actually had. So that was, you know, probably
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Speaker 3: six months prior to my daughter passing when I had
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Speaker 3: to make that transition. So yeah, I was a fresh
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Speaker 3: single mom. Didn't know that my daughter had kind of
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Speaker 3: got involved with that type of crowd that went to
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Speaker 3: experiment with drugs and things like that, and she actually
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Speaker 3: had overdosed once prior to the time that took her.
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Speaker 3: So I found her the first time and I had
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Speaker 3: to do CPR on her. I had never done CPR
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Speaker 3: anybody before, so you know, it was just so crazy
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Speaker 3: to me because while I'm going through that with her,
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Speaker 3: trying to figure out like, oh my goodness, she's been
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Speaker 3: connected with the bad kids at school, or you know,
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Speaker 3: I'm trying to you know, really trying to figure out
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Speaker 3: and work with the school is making sure like she's
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Speaker 3: going to school, trying to make sure she's doing what.
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Speaker 2: She's supposed to do.
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Speaker 3: On the flip side, I'm dealing with the financial burden
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Speaker 3: and pressures because now I'm a single parent. My fouse
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Speaker 3: was not helpful, didn't care, wasn't trying to help me
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Speaker 3: out or play games you know where. You know, he
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Speaker 3: would send things door dash and stuff to my kids,
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Speaker 3: and you know, things like that without even consulting me.
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Speaker 3: I might have already cooked or something. You know.
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Speaker 2: It was.
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Speaker 3: It was such a chaotic time, I'll say. At the
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Speaker 3: same time, I realized that nobody was coming to save me.
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Speaker 3: So I had to learn to stop really complaining to
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Speaker 3: a lot of people, stop using family and friends as vents,
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Speaker 3: because vents just lead to other rooms, and then you'll
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Speaker 3: learn that they didn't told everybody else what you've cried
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Speaker 3: to them about, instead of really having compassion for you
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Speaker 3: and really looking out in a practical way. But I
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Speaker 3: will say overall, just learning to be transparent and going
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Speaker 3: to the resources. I've taken advantage of all kinds of resources.
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Speaker 3: Food pantries, I've had to get help with, you know, utilities,
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Speaker 3: food stamps, you name it. It's nothing that the client
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Speaker 3: that I assist at work has that I've not been
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Speaker 3: in line for myself. And that's what I try to
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Speaker 3: express to them is say, you know, it might not
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Speaker 3: be the most comfortable experience. But hey, you have to
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Speaker 3: do what you have to do to survive and have
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Speaker 3: your dignity and make sure that you and your kids
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Speaker 3: are okay. At least you have your life. You don't
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Speaker 3: have to live under the bondage of abuse and things
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Speaker 3: like that.
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Speaker 2: So and it may take a while.
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Speaker 3: You might have to, you know, work that low paying
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Speaker 3: job or that whatever job for a while. That's why
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Speaker 3: I was a CNA. I did nursing assistant work at
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Speaker 3: a nursing home. My former spouse made me feel inferior
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Speaker 3: because that was the type of work I did.
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Speaker 2: It's nothing wrong with that work.
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Speaker 3: If we all live old enough building up in the
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Speaker 3: position of needing someone to care for us. So, you know,
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Speaker 3: I just really tried to build myself up as much
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Speaker 3: as I can. A lot of self talk, a lot
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Speaker 3: of crime, a lot of affirmations, but also a lot
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Speaker 3: of seeking and finding people just along the way. Along
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Speaker 3: the way. It's been a lot of people that I've
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Speaker 3: ran into because last year, in particular, I was so
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Speaker 3: down grieved, just in the aftershock of everything, and I
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Speaker 3: was like, well, I need to start volunteering. So doing
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Speaker 3: things like that, getting out volunteering more then that connected
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Speaker 3: me with other people, other moms who have lost their
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Speaker 3: children in different ways, sometimes ways kind of similar, sometimes
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Speaker 3: ways totally different, but still at the same time, just
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Speaker 3: finding new friends to make common grounds with and finding
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Speaker 3: new hobbies and new ways to explore. So I think
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Speaker 3: that you just have to be wide open and be creative.
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Speaker 2: You know, because sometimes you have to be.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I think sometimes when we are going through things,
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Speaker 3: we just kind of look at, Okay, I'm gonna do X,
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Speaker 3: Y and Z, and then next months.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this my next goal.
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Speaker 3: And it more times than not, nothing's going to weigh
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Speaker 3: how we plan. So you just gotta be willing to
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Speaker 3: kind of take one day at a time and roll
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Speaker 3: with everything how it goes. That's kind of just how
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Speaker 3: I seem to play it out for me. But the
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Speaker 3: biggest thing was for me, I could say now was
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Speaker 3: really just feeling like nobody was caring nobody. But now
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Speaker 3: I know, especially with domestic violence especially, we see it
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Speaker 3: now all the people there are suffering, watching people get
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Speaker 3: killed over it and things like that. People don't want
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Speaker 3: to get involved because they're scared or they don't want to,
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Speaker 3: you know, be looked at as the bad guy involved
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Speaker 3: in someone else's relationship and things like that. So I
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Speaker 3: can understand that, and that, I mean, you know, that
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Speaker 3: really helps with you know, really just understanding that people
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Speaker 3: it's not always personal, but they just have to keep
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Speaker 3: themselves safe too.
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Speaker 1: So you know, when I think, kid too, what I'm
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Speaker 1: hearing is number one, Through what you've been through these
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Speaker 1: adverse circumstances, there was a level of strength. There was that,
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Speaker 1: if you call it, flotation device that kept you with
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Speaker 1: that reminder of nobody's coming to save Kia but Kia,
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Speaker 1: and so you were essentially able to find some hidden
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Speaker 1: strengths within you. You know, my audiobook is called Finding
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Speaker 1: Grace Within Grief, Her Transition, My Transformation, because that was
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Speaker 1: the epiphany that I got when I picked up my
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Speaker 1: mom's ashes from the funeral home. Poortie, what if your
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Speaker 1: mom's transition is for your transformation? Right at first, I'm
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Speaker 1: sitting at the light thinking I didn't hear that, what
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Speaker 1: does that even mean? But now I see it even
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Speaker 1: for you, Kia, with your daughter making her transition, you
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Speaker 1: being able to find your way out of that domestic
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Speaker 1: violence situation, even though it was a struggle obviously being
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Speaker 1: a single mother finding resources. But you did it right.
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Speaker 1: And then also you brought up about this level of
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Speaker 1: still the stigma right, the bystander effect is real in
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Speaker 1: so many different situation and especially in domestic violence. And
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Speaker 1: I'm curious, Kia, for our audience, as we know, we've
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Speaker 1: had several high profile incidents with domestic violence in this year.
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Speaker 1: Obviously the incident is Shreveport and also in Virginia. Yes,
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Speaker 1: and I'm curious, Kia, based on your own personal experience,
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Speaker 1: what is one of the biggest misconceptions about domestic violence
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Speaker 1: that is often overlooked by people that have never been
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Speaker 1: in your shoes before.
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Speaker 2: I would have to say that they don't want to leave.
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Speaker 3: I think sometimes people look at them and think that
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Speaker 3: people are happy, or you know, they're not going anywhere,
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Speaker 3: and it's not that they don't want to leave. I
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Speaker 3: think that sometimes they don't understand even I remember a
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Speaker 3: couple of years ago hearing the story of a mayor,
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Speaker 3: a local around here. She told her domestic violent story
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Speaker 3: at a forum that I was part of, and we
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Speaker 3: were shocked. But people they don't believe that certain people
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Speaker 3: can go through being a victim. What does a victim
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Speaker 3: look like? It could be anybody, really, So I think
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Speaker 3: that that's the main part. If someone says something happened
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Speaker 3: to them, you have to believe them and validate them
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Speaker 3: and really believe that they did want to get out.
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Speaker 2: Of that situation.
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Speaker 3: Don't for a second think that, you know, I mean,
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Speaker 3: I know there are levels of you know, victimhood and
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Speaker 3: abast where people are traumatized to where they start to
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Speaker 3: really like it, you know, and things like that I'm
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Speaker 3: talking about overall, for the most part, if someone's not
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Speaker 3: being treated well by their spouse or their significant other
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Speaker 3: or whoever, they want to leave, but because their life
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Speaker 3: looks a certain way, or they may have money.
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Speaker 2: Or things like that.
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Speaker 3: Because like that mayor who shared her story, they try
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Speaker 3: to say that, you know, it's no way she could
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Speaker 3: be abused, and she really had nobody turned to you
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Speaker 3: because if she called the police, they were all literally
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Speaker 3: hurt employees and stuff like that.
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Speaker 2: And are they really going to believe.
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Speaker 3: Her, you know, because of the report they had with
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Speaker 3: her husband, Are they really going to believe he was
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Speaker 3: beaten her up? And then you know, say it gets complicated,
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Speaker 3: it really does. But mainly it could be anybody. I
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Speaker 3: think that's the biggest biscuitception and that also holds people
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Speaker 3: back from speaking up because men, for example, that's a
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Speaker 3: big one. Men that are abused, a lot of them
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Speaker 3: don't speak up because they don't believe that they will
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Speaker 3: be validated or believed so well.
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Speaker 1: They'll be ostracized by society. Yeah, because yeah, depending on
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Speaker 1: the generation, you figure men who were obviously part of
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Speaker 1: either boomer and before they were raised by parents who
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Speaker 1: said you suck it up, man up, and we're you're
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Speaker 1: seeing more of a shift, and some men who are
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Speaker 1: more conscious parents that are working to try to reduce
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Speaker 1: that in their sons, where their sons are more comfortable
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Speaker 1: and vulnerable about what's going on, what hurts, what doesn't
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Speaker 1: make sense. And Kia, before we continue with the conversation,
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Speaker 1: if our audience wants to connect with you, obviously get
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Speaker 1: a copy of your book. If you have any upcoming events,
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Speaker 1: how can our audience connect with you today? Kia?
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Speaker 2: Sure, So you can connect with me.
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Speaker 3: I'm on Facebook as Kia Wallace or you can email
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Speaker 3: me and my email address is Kia Kia W ten
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Speaker 3: twelve at iicloud dot com.
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Speaker 1: Excellent, So for our audience, I would definitely put Kia's
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Speaker 1: email address in our show notes, so if you want
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Speaker 1: to reach out to her, obviously get a copy of
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Speaker 1: her book. You're more than welcome to.
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Speaker 3: My book is poetry, and I'll share that link with
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Speaker 3: you if if you don't have it. But it's just
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Speaker 3: affirmations of healing, just daily thoughts that I literally use
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Speaker 3: to keep myself going, and you know some poetry that
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Speaker 3: I've created.
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Speaker 1: Well, Kia, I noticed too that when I listen to
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Speaker 1: your conversation with Lisa, one of the things I also
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Speaker 1: know is that you do spoken word. And when I
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Speaker 1: think about your story of losing Jordan, also your your
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Speaker 1: surviving domestic violence, I think about how your voice was
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Speaker 1: silenced and how spoken word has been this if you
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Speaker 1: want to call it door opening for you to express.
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Speaker 1: I'm curious, Kia, when did you notice you had that
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Speaker 1: gift of spoken word? And what is what is one
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Speaker 1: if you want to call it home or symbol that
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Speaker 1: really speaks to who you've become through these different adverse circumstances.
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Speaker 2: M Well, that's a lot right there. That's a nice question. Though.
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Speaker 3: When I first started my job as a domestic violence advocate,
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Speaker 3: one of their fundraisers that they need to raise money
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Speaker 3: for our DV victims is a poetry night, and so
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Speaker 3: that October they did. In October for Domestic Violence Awareness Months,
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Speaker 3: I decided to step outside the box and participate because
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Speaker 3: this was the first year that I'm finally I mean,
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Speaker 3: I had been separated from my spouse for a couple
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Speaker 3: of years at that time, but this was where it
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Speaker 3: was solidly over and I felt like I was really
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Speaker 3: stepping into a new form of me. So I was like, Okay,
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna make myself super uncomfortable and I'm going to
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Speaker 3: go up here and perform. Because I used to always
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Speaker 3: write poetry, just scribble scrabble on paper and things like
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Speaker 3: that growing up and even as a child. But I
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Speaker 3: didn't want to tell my mom something or I was upset.
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Speaker 3: I have a writer or a letter or writer or
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Speaker 3: a note and my daughter would do the same thing
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Speaker 3: with me. Jordan and I found a notebook for these
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Speaker 3: things she had wrote after she had passed in her bedroom,
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Speaker 3: So it was kind of like a little bit of
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Speaker 3: you know, why not and a little bit of just
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Speaker 3: living a bit because I'm sure that Jordan would be
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Speaker 3: tickled that she would have seen me up there. On
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Speaker 3: stage doing it, and I've done it every year since
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Speaker 3: and so, you know, and it was recepted. You know,
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Speaker 3: everybody was like, wow, you got up there and did that,
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Speaker 3: like my coworkers and stuff. So it's just been it's
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Speaker 3: been a cool experience and it's been new because there's
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Speaker 3: something that I did not do in my former life.
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Speaker 3: And I joked with people and I was like, I've
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Speaker 3: then lived ten lives now because I'm like, in my
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Speaker 3: one of my former lives, you know, I did feel silence,
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Speaker 3: and like I mentioned kind of and the talk in
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Speaker 3: the discussion with Lisa, I feel like a bulk of
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Speaker 3: my domestic violence situation was impacted by religion. And you know,
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Speaker 3: we were Jehovah's witnesses, and you know, I'm not here
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Speaker 3: to disprove that religion, be whatever religion you want. I
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Speaker 3: can only speak on my experiences and what I saw
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Speaker 3: and what I witnessed, and I would say that it
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Speaker 3: was very influential towards me being treated badly.
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Speaker 2: And I felt like I.
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Speaker 3: Was silenced because women have a certain position in that religion,
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Speaker 3: and women have a certain position and those marriages and
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Speaker 3: those relationships on the financial obeats and things like that,
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Speaker 3: not really having us say of how you know, certain
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Speaker 3: things are spent or you know. So I felt like
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Speaker 3: that was just another another stuff of just coming into
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Speaker 3: my own independence, being free of all that.
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Speaker 2: I don't have to go through all that anymore.
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Speaker 3: And probably if I was still in that relationship that
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Speaker 3: would be an event I would be discouraged from attending,
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Speaker 3: you know, because the potential of being around other men
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Speaker 3: or whatever.
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Speaker 2: You know. So it's just cool to be able to
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Speaker 2: do whatever I want and enjoy my life.
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Speaker 1: How I want well and essentially live the abundant life. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that you know that you deserve. And that's a conversation
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Speaker 1: for another day, Kia, about the influence of religion on
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Speaker 1: keeping people imprisoned and incarcerated in certain situations. I'm not
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Speaker 1: going to go there today, but I do know that
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Speaker 1: that is a conversation that has been coming up a
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Speaker 1: lot on social media in the last couple of years.
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Speaker 1: It has been Well, everybody, that was miss Kia Wallace
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Speaker 1: that you heard from today on greuup Horsche. And that
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Speaker 1: concludes our conversation and until next time, everybody, peace and
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Speaker 1: hair grease everyone, Yeah, thank you.