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S2 E22: Landing at Point Rain - A Clone Wars Rewatch · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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Hello there, control your insolence and concentrate.
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It's time for most things, Kenobi.
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Hi everyone, welcome to another episode of Most Things Kenobi, a
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podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi and all things Star Wars.
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I'm your host, Leanne. And I'm your host, Lauren.
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This episode we are revisiting, well, officially visiting
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because we've talked about it in so many different ways, but not
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in totality. And that would be the the Geon
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Ocean arc in The Clone Wars, which is just one of our
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favorites and we needed some Clone Wars time, so here we are.
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And honestly, were you watching landing at point Rain was so
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wonderful it. Was like going home.
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I'm so happy to rewatch it and like just live for everything in
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it, you know? It's so familiar and terrible.
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Like, like some of the shit that happens is really bad.
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I know it's up a bit, like I've always kind of cringed at it
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now, but now that I think of it, it was like, oh.
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The older that I get, the more obvious it becomes how freaking
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young they are. Like, you know, just bombing
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entire civilizations. I get it, I get it, it's a war
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factory, whatever, galaxies at war.
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But damn, Ahsoka is so young. I know she's in her little tube
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chop and Anakin's got a short flippy hair and.
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Yeah, yeah. You can tell he's a child
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because I shouldn't say child. You can tell he's a young adult
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because of where he ends up in Clone Wars and how Matt Lanter
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carries the character from the playfulness and the lack of
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seriousness, like Anakin serious in this.
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But his motivations are still like, I have to please the Jedi
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Council, I have to please Obi Wan, I have to show that I can
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do this. Like, it's pretty obvious.
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Yeah. You know.
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And he's still he still wants to be the best.
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Yeah, yeah, it's. So important to him, even though
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it's playful important, it's, it's like the beginnings of how
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it's going to not be playful anymore in the future.
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It's very much. Serious.
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Problem, yeah. And what's really sad and and so
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I'm like re watching this probably for the first time I
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think since the Kenobi series. And it's just.
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Me too, probably. It's it kind of hit me like just
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how good he would have been if shit hadn't gone the way it did.
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It just he, I mean, there's a lot of like bad juju there with
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the slavery upbringing and he was too old coming into the Jedi
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Order, etcetera, etcetera. Things about Anakin, right?
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The title of his of his. Things about it.
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Yeah, things about Anakin, A handbook.
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Like he could have been really, really good.
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He could have been really good. Yeah, I know these these early
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Clone Wars episodes have so much of his good characteristics.
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No, the episode right before this is that Rush Clovis
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episode. Oh shit, I I love.
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We need to do that one too, because I there's.
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Some one offs of the episodes. Yes, that because that shit.
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We can deep dive on that on all kinds of levels, but anywho,
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yeah, yeah, yeah. It was what really struck me
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this time because I actually just finished re listening to
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this podcast about D-Day. I listened to it last year
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because it was the was the 80th. Anniversary.
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Oh, shit. Yeah, it was, it was it.
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That was a recent one. Yeah, yeah.
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So this year in in June was 81 years since the landing at
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D-Day. So I re listened to the podcast
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because it was really excellent and it's a very good podcast and
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it really hit me how much they're pulling from D-Day in
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particular, but probably any invasion, but particularly D-Day
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for this episode in particular. It's kind of crazy and it's not
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on. It's not an accident.
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I mean sure, Lucas has said he was inspired by like Battle of
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Britain the movie and definitely Band of Brothers.
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And I checked Band of Brothers did come out before this
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episode. There's like a lot of
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cinematography that's the same there.
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So it's, it's cool. It was, you know, the first time
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all that stuff looked really intense in Clone Wars.
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Before that it was like kind of fun.
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And this time is the first time you feel like, oh, the Jedi
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might die. Yeah, it's it's what brought me
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right back into the episode was just how beautiful the imagery
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is of them coming in with the gunships.
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And who doesn't, OK, in the Star Wars fandom, who doesn't love
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the sounds of Star Wars? Yeah, you know, the laser fights
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and the lightsaber sounds and the gunship blast and, like Star
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Wars sounds. And it like brought me right
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back. And I was like, I remember why I
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like this series so much, because it's all those things,
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comforting things. Just the.
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Sounds of war, but I don't mean it to sound like that, but you
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know the the Star Wars sounds. I mean, it's Star Wars, correct?
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Yes, We seem to forget that part.
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We do, yes. So yes, war is a big part of of
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the Star Wars story. So yes, it's true.
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And it's so iconic. You know, it really is it is.
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And and this landing at point Reign episode, especially
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because it never was more obvious after having not watched
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it for for a while, I would say is that the whole episode is
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about them just trying to get on the ground.
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Yeah, like it's not there's it's a fucking mess.
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It's a mess. Yeah.
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And it was something again, that like the D-Day tie in to me
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because I was listening to the stories of the paratroopers who
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went in before the like, water landing and they get dropped
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behind enemy lines. Some of them landed in gliders.
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So you can't even control it. You just get launched out of a
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plane and just use glide to the ground and hope you don't hit a
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a light pole. And so they had to just survive
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the landing, which was really difficult.
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And then some of them had to immediately start fighting,
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which is what Anakin has to do. So it's right.
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Not only do you have to survive flying through the Flack, then
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you have to start fighting right away.
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And it doesn't stop until they have that one little break near
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the end. Yeah, that's.
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So much I get tired after one long day of work.
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This is true. What would happen to your
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nervous system having to live through something like that?
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Just the amount of adrenaline, adrenaline that is probably
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coursing through you at all times.
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The come down has to be hard. I don't know.
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Mad respect to anybody who's ever had to do it.
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Yeah, it's, it's intense. It's crazy.
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But it's very actually the whole episode is pretty intense.
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And there was a sequence that I'd never really like actively
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put it together because when we watch these to analyze, I kind
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of like, look more specifically at stuff.
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And there's a moment probably halfway through, Kiyati Mundi is
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in his cave with all these scary bugs.
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Anakin's on the wall, you know, fighting the droids.
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And Obi Wan is literally surrounded and they're being
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closed in on. And they show 1 after another
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and it's like, oh, they're all going to die.
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Like they eat and fry it. They're all just completely
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overwhelmed and yeah, they might not survive.
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And I'm pretty sure they went to a commercial break when this was
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on TV back in 2009 or whatever it was.
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That's so very reminiscent, isn't it?
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Like commercial breaks, Like what?
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I mean, I guess there's still commercial breaks in streaming
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services. But yeah, I mean.
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This was. The old fashioned.
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Network. Was that right?
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Or was it? I don't remember.
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I watched it on Netflix so I never saw it and it's.
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Original Cartoon Network. I want to say this.
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Oh my God. I whatever.
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It was a long time ago it was. I still remember walking up to
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my old like hometown theater and seeing the Clone Wars poster and
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thinking cartoons get out of here.
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Me too. I know you and I have talked
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about this, but like, yeah, I can't believe I was such a
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hater. I saw it at a shopping mall and
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I was like, are you kidding me? Exactly, there was a get out of
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here with this. You must Star Wars really hit
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rock bottom? Nope.
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Yeah, Little, no, little did we know is the greatest thing
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they're ever going. To do Yeah and we literally were
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begging for more. Save Clone Wars and I lost my
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voice for like 40 years straight after it was announced at Comic
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Con and we were there. That shit was nuts.
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Permanently. You know my weezy laugh that
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everybody has to comment on? It's because of the Clone Wars
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panel. It's Comic Con 2018, bitch it.
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Paralyzed one of your vocal cords permanently, I'm sure.
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Fuck anyway. I do love.
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I love like the way they set it up at the beginning.
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Nobody was like God can't believe first we have to come
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back here and then he right talks to Cody about being
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chained to a pole and being attacked by humongous monsters.
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The. First, yeah, it must have been
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entertaining for the Gian Oceans.
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Ohh Obi Wan. It's about to get worse
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apparently. Janosha or going to Janosha is
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like the equivalent of Obi Wan's hell.
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He just, every time he goes, he's got terrible things that
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happen. Always and and, and at least in
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this in this respect, Anakin was a little more well behaved and
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under some sort of discipline of self-discipline to.
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Yeah, because Padme. Wasn't there?
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Yeah, I know. I made it.
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I was actually thinking about this the whole time that I was
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watching this because of what what you just said, how they'd
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set up the timeline that this is obviously after Attack of the
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Clones and Obi Wan's been there, Anakin's been there.
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And I was just thinking like, God damn it, Padme, like.
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Yeah, Did I save Revenge of the Sith earlier?
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Because I definitely meant Attack of the Clones, if that's
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what. I don't know.
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I don't know what you meant. I don't know what you said
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because I have a headache. Harry menopause, I can't
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remember. Perry.
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Who's she? I will say that Obi Wan is once
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again for an animation, utterly breathtaking.
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I know you won't disagree. No, I will not disagree.
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I will stand on this hill and die on this.
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I will defending it because our. Favorite scene of Clone Wars?
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It still holds up. It does.
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It really does. It does not age, it does not
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ever get old. It's so nice to see I in the the
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few like breaths that he takes and then fires up that
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lightsaber. Man, it's good the details it.
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Hit me a lot more this time too, how they kind of cut from Anakin
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and Ahsoka kind of like still bantering and being kind of
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funny to Obi Wan's like literally about to die.
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Yeah, he's like, OK, this is it, my final stand.
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I will do this. I will fight with these men,
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which I I really do love all of the clone interaction and and I
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never really noticed in detail before the desert uniform if you
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will, and like a like a camouflage almost.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I noticed that too.
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That's a nice touch they had the the helmets that are akin to
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scariff. Like the scariff helmets.
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I think I'm thinking of this correct.
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They're kind of square and more boxy than the the Oval shaped
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clones or the bell shaped clone helmets.
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I don't know. Maybe we should do an we should
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do an episode on on stormtrooper and clone attire and like what
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the difference because there's there's like the Hoth.
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There's so many. Troopers now yeah, yeah.
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So like we, that would be cool, but like, I for some reason I
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didn't really appreciate it. Or maybe I just took the tech
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because I was really trying to look for things that it's so
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easy to watch this episode and just fall in to.
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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You know, it's so familiar. It's an old favorite and I find
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myself having to like, rewind it and be like, wait, I got to pay
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attention. Hold on.
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You know what I did notice for the first time and I had to look
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it up. Get ready for a meteorology
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lesson because here we go. So you know how the gunships are
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coming in and they're trying to land and they're like, get the
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get the ships on the ground now and then they radio and say no,
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don't land. It's a hot zone, Obi Wan.
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OK, so they're like flying around and there's like a series
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of three or four gunships that kind of go out in front and
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they're in formation and they have the the little like
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contrails that come off their wing tips.
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I'm sure people have seen this on airplanes when there's
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condensation that comes off the tips of the wings sometimes when
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you take off or when you land. So it's not technically
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physically correct. It's a cool, it's a cool
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animation effect and that's why I saw it.
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And I'm like, actually, this doesn't make sense.
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So in order during a dry desert climate like red rocks dust, not
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sand dunes, but like obviously I don't see a whole lot of water
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present. Yeah, no plants.
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Yeah, it's. Arid.
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No, no, nothing. Right?
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So we'll assume an arid climate. In order for that air to
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condense enough to make an aerodynamic contrail, such as
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those that we see coming off the wing tips, you have to have some
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moisture in order for the moisture to condense to form
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into those little those little trailing.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, tubes that come off the
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It's not it's. It just looks good.
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It's just it looks. Fucking cool.
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And that's why I noticed it, because I'm like, oh, look at
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that. They have the aerodynamic
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contrails. Oh, wait.
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Is it possible that like the ship was freezing cold and that
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could have created it or? Maybe, but it would have been so
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short lived and then it wouldn't have made sense to make it even
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in an animation. So I'll just give them the
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credit for adding it because it's visually cool, but I'm just
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here to tell you that it's kind of not right.
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So I love that though like this, I love the.
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Science. It's great, though.
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Yeah, it's great. It's cool if you ever see an
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airplane take off and you see those aerodynamic like the tiny
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little contrails that come off the winglets, but.
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Yeah. You know.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's funny because I actually
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watched like a scene of from Battle of Britain to to see like
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does it look like this? And again, actually very
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impressive for the time period. Oh, I bet.
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I was really impressed they had real planes flying in in
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sequences. But again, they can't show them
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crash so they do like what the Blue Angels do or the
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Thunderbirds do or when it gets shot like they release a gas.
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Out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Looks like it's been hit and it's not real, but again like
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the planes weren't sending off those contrails unless it's like
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created because they were probably even temperature.
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Yeah, that's the thing. You have to.
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That's why it usually happens at takeoff and, and, and landing is
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because there's a change in pressure, like a dramatic change
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in pressure and temperature and all that stuff.
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So whatever, but. So interesting.
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Still looks cool. I had to look it up though.
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I'm like, is it possible in an arid climate?
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Is it? I'm like, I don't think it is.
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And then it was like, it's very rare to almost never that it
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happens. Like, you know.
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So here it happened on every single ship so.
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Every ship, every time, for a very long time.
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But it's cool, it's visually awesome, and I'm not here to
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shit on it. No, I love that you, you bring
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that like the science to it and it's great.
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It's really fascinating. I mean, I don't know.
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Just a little thing I noticed. But you know, aside from
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Anakin's brazenness and Obi Wan's beautifulness and Ahsoka's
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tube talk, there's also science. Well, I have to say, like this
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episode, and I'm sure we've talked about this before, it
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changed how I felt about oh. Yeah, totally, totally.
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Yeah, I'd. Like quite like him from the the
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original trilogy was fine. Like the prequels didn't really
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do much for me when they came out when I was a kid and and I
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felt like in season 1 he's kind of just like, oh, Anakin like
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the whole time and didn't really do much until like.
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Well, I mean, that's what the prequels kind of set him up for.
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But then we. Yes, yeah, yeah.
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And then here it was like, I think part of it is when his
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ship goes down because of course it part of it is like when he
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lights the lightsaber at the end, he is like ready to die
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with everybody. That's fucking awesome.
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But a huge part of it is when he screams.
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Brace yourselves. Yeah.
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And I went through the sequence again and like, analyze it
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cinematography wise because every time I watch it, it like
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gets me kind of anxious because of the way it's filmed, you
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know? Yeah, yeah.
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Cody says don't land and he's like, there's nowhere else to
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go. Then they yeah, there.
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Really. Isn't.
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Yeah, like what is he going to do, turn around and go back?
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Yeah. U-turn.
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This shit's happening. There's no stabbing it now and
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then they show the the enemy about to fire on them, their
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engine bursts into flames. And then he's like, we're going
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down. But when he says brace
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yourselves, they do this. They're in like a medium close
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up around his shoulders and they zoom in and it's basically his
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nose and eyes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And they've never implied that Obi Wan gets ruffled right?
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Like not to this point. That's true.
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Right, except when he was fighting Maul.
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In the prequels, yes, OK, but in the show Clone Wars, he's very
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even. He was always the same.
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He didn't have too much depth. He was kind of sassy and
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entertaining. But this was the first time
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where like the cinematography even implied that he was like
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overwhelmed that it was, oh God, this is kind of beyond my
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control moment. And that's like a big deal for a
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Jedi. And then the way they show his
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crash, like, I didn't really, like actively put it together.
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All three Jedi Masters, well, Anakin's not a master, sorry.
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But all three generals crash like they all crash like they
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do. Yeah.
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But Obi Wan's is the one that they show as though he might
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have died. Right.
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Because yeah, well, there's the thing of of like, where's Obi
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Wan as he radioed in? And then Anakin and Ahsoka have
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that moment where like Ahsoka is visibly shook.
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Yeah. And Anakin, I think is but has
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to play the part like he doesn't want to talk about it.
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He's like not available emotionally to talk about that.
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We have to keep pushing forward. Yeah.
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So it's assumed that something really bad happened, maybe.
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Here's my question to you. Oh no.
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What? Is Anakin matured from the first
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time he was on June Ocean? Do you know Sha?
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I can't say that planet name on the desert planet because like
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if it was Padme he would have freaked out and not been able to
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focus. So did he mature because of what
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happened last time or does he just not have that kind of
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devotion to Obi Wan that he does to Padme?
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Obviously it's not a romantic relationship.
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You know what I mean though. Well, the impression I got, and
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I thought about this while I was watching it because, you know,
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you've seen it 1000 times, but you're forcing yourself to think
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about things because you're going to talk about it on a
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podcast. But the implication I got is
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that Anakin can't handle loss and he wasn't about to handle it
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right there. And so he went into like father
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slash Big Brother slash master to to his Padawan.
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I know you're shooken up about this, but we have to push on or
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something. But that was him telling himself
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that, in my opinion. So would he have stopped the
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battle to go attend or to go tend to Padme?
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I hesitate because they were so overwhelmed.
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But he damn near stopped it for the blue shadow virus and he
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damn near stopped it for the fucking like XYZ moments.
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But this was a completely different situation where it was
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like a mission had an A point and AB point and it hinged on
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basically and it came getting to this point and the whole thing
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was so bad. So I don't know that he would
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have. But I do think when he was
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talking to Ahsoka, he was literally telling himself that
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via Ahsoka. That's the impression I get.
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What about you? What do you think?
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Like is there? I could maybe see it, but.
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I think so too. I think he was probably thinking
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more of like if it was Padme I, I don't know if you would.
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Have been so. Reassuring to Ahsoka, he
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probably would have been freaking out way more himself.
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Like Ahsoka would have reversed the role with him and she would
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have been comforting to him. Like don't worry she'll be fine
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she can take care of herself. I I see Ahsoka being that for
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for Anakin this. 12 year old grounding this adult who's
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losing his shit. You have to think about how far
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Ahsoka has come from this moment, like this little snippy
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padawan to this cool, calm, collected warrior who's seen
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some shit. Half of it is because she had to
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console her own fucking teacher. It's true.
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It's really true. There are so many moments, even
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in early episodes of Clone Wars, where she's like, hey, pay
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attention to me, I'm trying to tell you something important.
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Right. Yeah, yeah, it's that's
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interesting. I do laugh every time though,
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when she's like, well, this is another fine mess you've gotten
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us into. And Rex is standing right there.
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Like, are we really going to fucking fight right now?
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I know. Good Lord.
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He, poor Rex, is the monkey in the middle every single time for
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these two petulant young adult teens, tweens, whatever they
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are. Oh my.
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God, it's how old is Anakin at this point?
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Like 19? I don't.
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Where are we at with him? I would guess.
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Honestly I don't even know what his ages and revenge of this is
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so. I think it's I thought he was
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22. Let me look it up.
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God. Really.
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Holy shit that he is a child. Anakin is 22 years old and
25:01
Revenge of the Sith, so he's about 1920 in this episode.
25:05
Good God. How did I remember?
25:08
That I don't know. I saw him.
25:15
Again, so inappropriate. These people are so young.
25:18
Well, I mean, it's just, that's the Jedi way, isn't it?
25:22
I mean, they're teaching them how to fight when they're like
25:25
10 year olds. It's true.
25:27
It's. Very.
25:28
I mean, remember the acolyte, how young they were.
25:32
That's funny, you were reading my mind.
25:33
I was literally just glazed. Over.
25:34
Thinking about Acolyte, Yeah. And how young.
25:37
Space twins. Oh, by the way, Speaking of
25:41
Acolyte, it made me think of Yoda.
25:42
You know how they're huddled at the beginning and all the
25:44
holograms are there and Yoda's like kind of elevated to be eye
25:50
level with the others, so he must be standing on like a
25:52
platform or something? No, I never noticed that.
25:55
Before little hover platform that he travels around the the
25:58
temple and because he can't keep up with people walking.
26:01
I love it so much though. Oh.
26:03
My God, Chiati Mundi is such a wet blanket.
26:10
Do you know who he reminded me of in this episode and I've
26:13
never thought of it before? Who?
26:16
Colonel Sanders. I thought you were going to say.
26:23
It how are you? I had no expectation except not
26:29
Colonel Sanders. Oh, OK.
26:30
Well, K, the KFC King himself, he if he'd have just had the
26:35
little, the little bolo tie or whatever, he's got the little
26:38
black little bow tie. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
26:40
He looked like Colonel Sanders, you know, with. 17 forehead.
26:44
Forehead. Yeah, it was like 50.
26:49
He is a wet blanket though. He's a wet paper towel.
26:52
I won't even give him substance. So it's a blanket.
26:56
He's not got the substance of a blanket.
26:58
Yeah, just, but I mean always when like every time I watch
27:02
this and. There is no such thing as look
27:07
like shut up, no one ask what an.
27:08
Asshole thing to say, you don't have to.
27:11
Be such a pretty. It's kind of it's kind of like a
27:13
boomer statement, though. He's kind of a boomer like like
27:16
Obi Wan is the is the what do I want to say?
27:20
Like the the more polished middle-aged man.
27:24
He's us. Yeah, yeah.
27:27
A little bit jaded, a little bit polished, a little bit kind.
27:29
Of a millennial where he's like, sometimes you're like, wow, he's
27:33
really cool. And other times you're like,
27:35
he's a little bit old. Yeah, yeah, well stated.
27:40
I relate. I relate as well, you know, so I
27:44
mean, it's comparing the two adults, if you will.
27:48
But then there's there's also my my favorite.
27:52
I was going to say. What's her name, Gentlemen, if
27:56
we could get on with the show. You know she's Luminari.
28:00
Yeah, I don't. I can't even remember her name.
28:02
Like nothing against the voice actress, but literally nothing
28:08
against anything. I just her and Barras rubbed me
28:12
The which is the next episode. We'll get there, but you know.
28:16
But I like how she has to interrupt, like the pissing
28:18
contest that's going on. It's like, gentlemen, can we
28:21
just focus up here? It did look like old Palpatine
28:24
was smiling to himself, kind of chuckling, wasn't he?
28:26
He was kind of amused by the whole thing 'cause this, this is
28:29
all just his big ruse, this is all his.
28:32
Oh gentlemen, should we be sending 3 Jedi Bitch that shit
28:35
plan? Don't act Academy award-winning
28:39
actor of the year here. Totally.
28:42
Always performing No. Matter what, I'm actually
28:45
surprised he didn't find a reason to send Padme to piss Obi
28:50
Wan off to set Anakin on some sort of path, you know what I'm
28:54
saying? Yeah, yeah, he's done it before.
28:58
He's. Doing it again.
29:00
Yeah, it's true. God, yeah, there was.
29:04
There is some stuff in here that I've forgotten how, like.
29:08
What? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
29:10
Oh yeah. Like like the the bugs getting
29:11
set on fire. Yes, exactly.
29:16
That's what you do to a hive. Well, and I was just, the other
29:20
thing about this is usually in Clone Wars they're fighting
29:24
droids. This is one of the few times
29:26
they're fighting living beings. Yeah, and.
29:29
Keeping score like it's a game and that I was like at the end
29:36
when Anakin says 55, Ahsoka says 60, Kiara Mundi is 65 and Obi
29:42
Wan is like I'll never understand you creeps keeping
29:45
school killing people. Relatable.
29:51
Yeah, forever annoyed by the nonsense.
29:55
And again, it's like, those were living things that you killed.
29:59
Yeah, they were trying to kill you.
30:01
OK, fine. But also like, could we not make
30:03
it a game that's so icky? Really think about all the
30:06
clones that died as well trying to fight these things.
30:09
Like, let's not, you know? A lot, Yeah, a lot.
30:13
I mean like in that moment where Obi Wan's getting overwhelmed
30:16
and everyone's, he only has 8 clones around him, that's all.
30:21
And then the reinforcements arrive.
30:22
So yeah, like the losses were great.
30:25
Did it occur to you even after watching and or like you, Lauren
30:30
Kind of it's kind of it's kind of ruining you, Lauren.
30:33
It's sad, isn't it? It's.
30:35
Sad. Yeah.
30:35
It makes it really hard to watch it now.
30:38
Yeah. I found it funny though that he
30:41
would not help until Anakin. Darth.
30:43
Vader Right, right, right. Though he was hinging the whole
30:48
fucking thing on Anakin and I'm not sure that's appropriate.
30:51
Yeah, yeah, Anakin says. We're at the breaking point and
30:55
he's like, well, you're in luck. I've been working this whole
30:58
time to come save your ass. Yeah, give me a raise later.
31:02
Like, get out of here. But I I I do like, love that.
31:11
The idea that we have this general, is he a general
31:16
Admiral? Yeah, obviously he's a fucking
31:19
Admiral. It's in his name.
31:21
But they have this Admiral who's going to, like, basically turn
31:24
his back on absolutely everyone that he's currently like.
31:28
Oh. Yeah.
31:29
Really unsettling. And he won't be the only one.
31:34
It's really dark. I mean, even the clones, by the
31:36
time, you know, we're in Andor's period, he the clones are like
31:41
being killed off basically. At that point, they're mostly
31:45
all gone and it's all stories. He's worked with them.
31:48
I mean, he's I just don't understand that mindset.
31:51
I don't know, I. Don't know if it's brainwashing
31:54
or survivalism or whatever the fuck it was.
31:57
It's a dark. It's dark.
31:59
I would love to think it's survivalism like he is just he's
32:02
an Admiral and it doesn't matter who he works for and he's going
32:05
to do it because otherwise they'll kill him.
32:07
Like maybe as a family we don't know about.
32:09
I don't know, Yeah. He seems like so severe though,
32:13
and in and or he was so like ready to instigate those, you
32:18
know, new, I don't know if you can call them laws, but you know
32:20
the statutes that allowed them to just imprison people
32:23
indefinitely, like triple their their prison time and.
32:27
Yeah. It's pretty fucked up.
32:29
That's crazy. Yeah.
32:31
So watching more Star Wars media does reflect on me whenever I
32:38
watch old Star Wars media, but not not too much.
32:41
It's there though. Even the smallest thing like
32:44
making that character and, and or just deciding that will be
32:47
your Lauren now reframes a lot of the scenes that he's in in
32:51
Clone Wars. It's unavoidable.
32:53
So I just wish Star Wars would give that a little more thought
32:56
before they start doing this shit all the time.
32:58
I know, I know. This one is not like the worst
33:02
thing ever. I thought I, I also thought
33:05
about the rocks falling like the wall explodes and all the rocks
33:09
fall down. And that's essentially what what
33:12
Vader does to imprison Obi Wan in the last, you know, the last
33:19
confrontation of in the Kenobi series, There's Brox.
33:23
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's a lot of lot of
33:26
rocks going on. And I, and I had that vision of
33:28
like, oh, look at, look at Anakin pushing them away from
33:32
Rex. Yeah, he uses a different method
33:36
later. Yeah, different method.
33:39
You know what I kind of loved even like the first time ever
33:41
watching this is that I started to realize Clone Wars was going
33:45
to like use genre to tell some stories and this one was like a
33:51
war story, But also they had like little elements of horror
33:55
in there. And the next couple episodes
33:57
have more like sci-fi horror. Very true.
34:01
And it's really interesting. I mean they had like the blue
34:03
shadow virus is a great example of like health pandemic type
34:10
thriller. And they, I feel like there's
34:13
got to be like a cowboy something, don't you?
34:16
Is there like one that I mean, obviously now tales of the
34:19
underworld, as we discussed last time.
34:22
There's. Some Cowboys, sure.
34:24
There is. I just can't.
34:26
I can't. There's so many.
34:27
Yeah. I don't know, there probably is.
34:30
And I don't feel like they kept that going.
34:32
I, I think that they were just exploring in these early
34:36
seasons. You know this is just Season 2.
34:39
Yeah, I find it so. Refreshing that they decided to
34:42
use some horror elements very gently.
34:45
You know, it's a kids show, but it really, I think, respects the
34:51
audience because I'm sure they assumed it was going to be kids
34:54
watching this, but it's so well done that it's really fun for
34:57
adults to watch it too. Yeah, and that's why the show is
35:01
brilliant. That's why we're all here.
35:04
And I I really think that maybe the secret ingredient was George
35:08
Lucas. Always he.
35:13
Produced Indiana Jones like he knows how to make a very
35:17
satisfying blockbuster. He does We're.
35:20
So short these 20 minutes that he could like you really knew
35:23
how to put a lot into a short period.
35:25
And Dave Filoni said that he Dave would like write all these
35:28
ideas and George would just like X out all the stuff.
35:31
He just was like Nope Nope Nope. Then like really forced them to
35:34
focus. I think maybe Dave could use
35:38
some of that right now. Yeah, I feel like the newer
35:41
stuff is really missing that. There's no harm in saying that.
35:44
Yeah, yeah. But it's really at least we have
35:48
this to go back to. We do.
35:50
I mean, it's timeless. It it has given us the the meat
35:57
that we needed from basically Attack of the Clones to Revenge
36:01
of the Sith and and and onward. Yeah.
36:04
You know, it filled so many gaps.
36:07
I don't know. It's just I'm glad we have it.
36:10
Me too, and also you get your scene with Anakin.
36:13
Remember when it flips under the I remember deca Droid or
36:17
whatever and it's. Right up the crotch, happiness.
36:21
As soon as I saw it, I was like, Oh yeah, Leanne's favorite.
36:24
Shot I was happy to rewatch that it was very inappropriate and
36:30
I'm here still here for it, still here for it.
36:32
I don't care if he's 19, he's a dumb.
36:34
Shit works really well because you can like deep dive into it
36:38
or just enjoy it for cheap beauty and.
36:41
Well, don't forget the the piece of blood.
36:44
The scratch on Obi Wan's face is so elegant, it really is even
36:50
his scratches. Are beautifully.
36:52
On cheekbones like that, you know, and and James Arnold
36:59
Taylor, it's so funny like knowing that that's him and
37:04
knowing like what a great guy he is and how cool he is with us
37:07
and you know how friendly and kind he's been and then there he
37:11
is just being serious. Obi Wan.
37:12
I love it. I love it.
37:13
It's just cool. I was.
37:15
Thinking that too actually when re watching because even his
37:18
first line when he says I cannot believe we're back here again,
37:20
it's like right away. They've already given Obi Wan
37:23
more depth and James just like brings it to life so perfectly.
37:28
And it's like, for me, in my opinion, it's like a jumping off
37:31
point. And now like a few episodes
37:33
later, you get the Duchess of Mandalore arc.
37:35
And then after that, you start to like, Mole gets reintroduced
37:40
and it's just his layers get more and more complex.
37:43
And I'm so glad they did that with this character and that
37:47
they had James to perform. Anybody else, it might not have
37:50
been quite the same. I wanted to ask you if you had
37:53
the same feeling I did. And I know we probably have
37:56
talked about this, but don't you just love it when they're all
38:01
back together? Like everyone's at the meeting
38:03
point with Obi Wan and Obi Wan still sitting on the ground and
38:07
still mapping out how they're going to attack.
38:11
And like they're still counting on him to do this and he's still
38:15
doing it even though he's obviously injured.
38:17
I like, I love that. I do too, and I love when
38:21
they're like, are you injured, General?
38:22
He's like, nothing too serious. It's like clearly just some
38:25
internal bleeding and a crushed pelvis, but I'm fine.
38:29
Just give me a little shot, I'll be fine.
38:33
Oh I I do love the shot in the neck.
38:35
It's totally unnecessary, but it adds an element to it like it's.
38:38
Cool. It's kind of like a morphine
38:40
shot or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
38:42
Drug them up. Yep.
38:44
Right before he has to look at a map and tell you where to go.
38:48
He'll be fine. You can trust his advice, I
38:49
promise. Totally.
38:52
Yeah, I know. I've always liked that.
38:53
But he's like clearly so injured he has to do the briefing
38:56
sitting down, which he's never. Done and then, but he's still in
39:01
it. I know all the way dedicated.
39:03
And the way he's sitting there just like totally wasted and
39:07
exhausted, but right before they, like, run up to him, they
39:10
never show him like that ever. That's true.
39:14
That's true. It's the very first time, isn't
39:16
it? Like totally rare to see blood
39:18
up until this point. In Star Wars, almost never do
39:22
you see? Yeah, yeah, I know.
39:23
Now, in the sequels, they've shown it like when Finn gets the
39:28
bloody handprint, that was like, oh, yeah, oh, this is going to
39:30
be, like, different Star Wars. But before that, there was
39:33
almost no blood because lightsabers and blaster burns.
39:36
Just cauterized, but you don't have to bleed.
39:40
But he got crushed in an accident, like a car crash.
39:45
Well, not a car, but a landing craft.
39:48
Yeah, crash. That's really hard to say.
39:50
That is hard. Well, do you have any final
39:54
thoughts? I I do want to mention one thing
39:58
because it was so fucking awesome and it really stood out
40:01
to me the very first time I ever watched it.
40:03
Oh, I'm intrigued. The sequence when Anakin and
40:06
Ahsoka lead the attack at the very end after Obi Wan gives the
40:09
briefing, Anakin's running and they just show this extended
40:13
sequence of them running through the desert all the way and the
40:16
camera doesn't. There's no cuts.
40:17
And then the camera comes up behind them and follows them in
40:20
at the very end. It's just so fucking cool.
40:23
Yeah, for animation is that's pretty, that's pretty good.
40:27
It's. Awesome.
40:29
What year was? This now this one was 2009.
40:33
I looked it up. That's.
40:34
Pretty. That's pretty good for two.
40:36
I mean that's pretty good for 2000.
40:37
All of this is honestly, I know it's not technically that long
40:41
ago, but the technology has advanced so much.
40:45
Yeah, it is a cool. Shot.
40:49
And then they have more atmosphere, there's smoke there,
40:52
like you said, the contrails, all these little details they
40:55
start to like, really bring in. To me, this was a turning point
40:59
for their animation and a turning point for character
41:03
development. And that's why Landing a Point
41:05
Rain has always been one of my favorite episodes.
41:07
It's just so, so well done. It really is.
41:11
And I know it's a lot of like fighting in battle and blah,
41:14
blah, blah, but it's, it's really well executed.
41:19
Yeah, and. Sets the stage for the next
41:20
three episodes, which we're going to cover.
41:22
Is it 3 episodes? Yeah, it's a four part.
41:25
Yeah. It's a big one.
41:27
Sometimes when it's all fighting it's boring, but somehow this
41:31
because in the fighting it's really about other stuff that's
41:34
going on between Anika and Ahsoka and Rex and Keanu Mundi
41:37
is I wouldn't give him that much depths to be honest.
41:42
And like stuff that's going on with with Obi Wan, especially at
41:45
the landing point, like there's a lot more going on than just
41:49
bombs going off, you know? And like you said, it lays the
41:52
foundation for what comes next. And it's 20 minutes of of lots
41:59
of fun. It's really just fun.
42:01
Yeah, we get, we get a lot of Cody and Rex too.
42:05
You know season 2 Cody and Rex is.
42:07
A little banter between Cody and everyone and yeah.
42:11
Yeah, it's pretty good. It's got all the, it's got all
42:13
the things. It's a really, really good
42:15
episode and a really great jumping off point for so much
42:18
more. Just like you said, I love it.
42:20
Can't wait for the next episode. I know, me too.
42:29
Our question to you for this episode is if you could pick
42:32
just one scene that you love from this episode, what is your
42:35
favorite scene? It could be a line, it could be
42:38
a whole like moment, it could be a shot, you know, a still shot.
42:44
What is your favorite moment of the episode?
42:45
Let us know because we just told you all of ours.
42:48
It's only fair. And join us back here next time
42:54
we're going to do the next episode in this arc, which is
42:56
Weapons Factory. So we're going to do some
42:59
conversation about bears and Ahsoka Leanne.
43:02
Oh, yeah. Yep, Yep, Yep.
43:04
I'm ready. I'm ready.
43:06
I'm good. There's some, there's actually
43:08
some great creepy stuff that happens in this next episode, so
43:12
I'm excited to talk about. There is, there is so.
43:16
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