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Bills-Chargers: Zero apologies necessary for Joe Brady and co. · Go Long Podcast

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SPEAKER_01: The Buffalo Bills win and will make zero apologies.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, they really shouldn't.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, it's a long-ass season.
0:38
SPEAKER_01: There's going to be ups.
0:39
SPEAKER_01: There's going to be downs.
0:40
SPEAKER_01: There's going to be games where you turn the ball over five times like
0:44
SPEAKER_01: the Buffalo Bills did today.
0:45
SPEAKER_01: You had interceptions from all-galaxy Josh Allen.
0:49
SPEAKER_01: You had another James Cook fumble.
0:51
SPEAKER_01: You've been noting those fumbles from the NFL's leading rusher for quite some time.
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SPEAKER_01: And then you've got Dalton Kincaid fighting like hell for extra yardage.
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SPEAKER_01: And he loses one.
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SPEAKER_01: And in the end, nobody will remember because the defense showed up in a monster way.
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SPEAKER_01: Buffalo beats the L.A. Chargers 24-16.
1:12
SPEAKER_01: Initial thoughts, Mr. Monas.
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SPEAKER_00: So a lot to take in.
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SPEAKER_00: But as a first time head coach with Joe Brady, you love these games, believe it or not.
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SPEAKER_00: You go home at night and you're looking around.
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SPEAKER_00: You can't believe you just won.
1:25
SPEAKER_00: How did we just win that game?
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SPEAKER_00: You might laugh a little bit to your core,
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SPEAKER_00: whoever your coaches are that you're tight with that night with your beers.
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SPEAKER_00: And you're sitting around, you're just thinking, how?
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SPEAKER_00: How did we win that game?
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SPEAKER_00: So, you know, whenever you steal, I always call it steal a game.
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SPEAKER_00: You stole one and it happens.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's a credit to your point.
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SPEAKER_00: And this is why it's called a team sport.
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SPEAKER_00: When things aren't clicking, I like that all galaxy, how you said that.
1:50
SPEAKER_00: When all galaxy isn't clicking,
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SPEAKER_00: there's the defense coming through,
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SPEAKER_00: making the Chargers earn it Now, let's get into real quickly.
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SPEAKER_00: I think we can pinpoint now finally.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think we've been saying it.
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SPEAKER_00: For me, it started when this all-world quarterback the Chargers have.
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SPEAKER_00: It started for me with Herbert back against Jacksonville in the playoffs years ago.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay?
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SPEAKER_00: I lost my mind that day.
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SPEAKER_00: And honestly, we always make excuses for this player because he has a good arm.
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SPEAKER_00: It's enough.
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SPEAKER_00: At the end of the day, he has a long release.
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SPEAKER_00: He's a slow processor.
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SPEAKER_00: He is a slow,
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SPEAKER_00: he's a long-legged guy that does take time moving around,
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SPEAKER_00: even though he made Cole Bishop miss, which I would cut Cole Bishop after that.
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SPEAKER_00: But point is, point is, yeah, no, it is.
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SPEAKER_00: That's real.
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SPEAKER_00: No safety.
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SPEAKER_00: No, Herbert doesn't make anybody miss.
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SPEAKER_00: That's a bad look.
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SPEAKER_00: But point is, Herbert is the issue.
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SPEAKER_00: Brady did it yesterday.
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SPEAKER_00: He just glossed over the fact that That he misses a touchdown,
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SPEAKER_00: blaming McConkie's size, saying he gets smaller, deeper it goes.
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SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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SPEAKER_00: How about put a little air on the ball and drop it on him because he has the guy beat?
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SPEAKER_00: I've never heard anybody make an excuse.
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SPEAKER_00: When a guy's open, that's on the quarterback.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's Brady can say all he wants.
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SPEAKER_00: That's on the quarterback.
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SPEAKER_00: How many times?
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SPEAKER_00: Bad throws, interceptions.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, he should have seen that.
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SPEAKER_00: I can't believe he didn't see that.
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SPEAKER_00: That's okay.
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SPEAKER_00: He doesn't have the talent around him enough.
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SPEAKER_00: Enough.
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SPEAKER_00: The Herbert is the issue.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying they do have a talented team.
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SPEAKER_00: The Bills did what they should do against a bad offense.
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SPEAKER_00: This is officially a bad offense.
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SPEAKER_00: And guess what?
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SPEAKER_00: And the Bills did what they should do.
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SPEAKER_00: They stopped them.
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SPEAKER_00: Good job.
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SPEAKER_00: I think the Bills right now, Tyler,
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SPEAKER_00: for me on defense,
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SPEAKER_00: they're like 19th in points per play given up, and that's the stat I use.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's okay when you have a top-rated offense, honestly.
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SPEAKER_00: You're right in the range, and you're going to improve on that, hopefully.
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SPEAKER_00: You don't want to go the other way.
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SPEAKER_00: 19th is about the bottom line.
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SPEAKER_00: You don't want to go lower because you have a great offense.
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SPEAKER_00: But, man, the Chargers, good luck with that quarterback.
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SPEAKER_00: I just don't see him elevating everybody.
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SPEAKER_00: Why isn't it – that's the franchise quarterback's job.
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SPEAKER_00: Why don't we ever make this guy elevate people?
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SPEAKER_00: Why is it always – Excuses.
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SPEAKER_00: And he's the greatest ever.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm over it.
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SPEAKER_00: I've been over it since he lost to Jacksonville years ago.
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SPEAKER_00: For me, he's never recovered from that, is what he is.
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SPEAKER_00: There's a reason Tua was drafted ahead of him.
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SPEAKER_00: Release quicker, more accurate.
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SPEAKER_00: When Tua was healthy in Miami, compare that offense with McDaniel and Herbert and McDaniel.
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SPEAKER_00: Just compare that for a little bit.
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SPEAKER_00: It's embarrassing how much better it was.
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SPEAKER_00: You see why Tua was drafted ahead of Herbert.
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SPEAKER_00: Honestly, you do.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
4:46
SPEAKER_00: Isn't that crazy to say that too?
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SPEAKER_00: At this point, we have to say it.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, we've said here, we've made so many excuses for Herbert.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like, but let's get back to Tyler.
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SPEAKER_00: I want to hear.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was a, it was 27, nothing.
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SPEAKER_01: I just wanted to confirm that 2023 AFC wildcard game that you're referencing
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SPEAKER_01: against Jacksonville.
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SPEAKER_01: That was the peak of all things.
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SPEAKER_01: Justin Herbert, they're up 27 to nothing.
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SPEAKER_01: In the second quarter,
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SPEAKER_01: late second quarter,
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SPEAKER_01: Jacksonville got that touchdown right before halftime,
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SPEAKER_01: made it 27-7 and then had one of the greatest comebacks in playoff history.
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SPEAKER_01: You've got to bury a team.
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SPEAKER_01: If we're going to talk about you in that upper pantheon of quarterbacks, I mean, I'm done.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm done.
5:31
SPEAKER_01: We do this every offseason with Justin Herbert.
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SPEAKER_01: We do it every offseason with the L.A. Chargers.
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SPEAKER_01: We all get excited.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, my God, now Mike McDaniel is coming over from Miami.
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SPEAKER_01: Of course, he's going to take him to another level.
5:43
SPEAKER_01: You pair him with Jim Harbaugh.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, what an oddball couple.
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SPEAKER_01: They should have their own TV show with their distinct personalities.
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SPEAKER_01: At the end of the day,
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SPEAKER_01: Justin Herbert is not a good quarterback, and it doesn't matter what Harbaugh says.
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SPEAKER_01: What do you make of his tactic?
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SPEAKER_01: All offseason and into this season,
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SPEAKER_01: what he has been saying about Herbert,
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SPEAKER_01: like I get wanting to support your guy and throw out this strong gust
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SPEAKER_01: of 75 mile per hour wind support behind your guy.
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SPEAKER_01: That's what Mike McDaniel did with Tua Tungabaiola, by the way, back in Miami post-Flores.
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SPEAKER_01: And it worked for a while until it didn't,
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SPEAKER_01: until the truth came out on who Tua is as a quarterback.
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SPEAKER_01: Did you see or read the quote?
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SPEAKER_01: From Harbaugh, I think it was Michael Irvin's podcast, what he said.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, this is absurd.
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SPEAKER_01: Quote, allow me to call my shot.
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SPEAKER_01: This is Jim Harbaugh.
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SPEAKER_01: Allow me to call my shot like Babe Ruth pointing his bat over to center field.
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SPEAKER_01: Justin Herbert,
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SPEAKER_01: when it's all said and done,
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SPEAKER_01: when his career comes to an end,
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SPEAKER_01: I predict he will be known as the greatest,
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SPEAKER_01: best ever to play the position of quarterback.
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SPEAKER_01: When it's all said and done and his career is finished,
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SPEAKER_01: we're going to look back and say, yep, That's the best that ever did it.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, you're just going to look and sound like a clown if you're speaking
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SPEAKER_01: about your quarterback in these terms.
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SPEAKER_01: That's way over the top.
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SPEAKER_01: They're 0-3.
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SPEAKER_01: Very little hope.
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SPEAKER_01: The schedule only gets tougher.
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SPEAKER_01: And we'll get to the Bills' defense and what they did, but I'm with you.
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SPEAKER_01: I think Herbert is the headline here because of the way he's constantly hoisted up
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SPEAKER_01: by those in our business who For six and a half, seven months every offseason.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I just can't get over it.
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SPEAKER_00: We don't do that for other quarterbacks.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, we just don't.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's why I said, I just, for me,
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SPEAKER_00: you could say all you want,
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SPEAKER_00: and sometimes people want to be right no matter what,
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SPEAKER_00: especially when you're analyzing Herbert as coming out on the draft or,
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SPEAKER_00: like you said, yeah, he looks prettier than Tua.
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SPEAKER_00: That's a good point.
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SPEAKER_00: But at the end of the day,
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SPEAKER_00: I honestly can,
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SPEAKER_00: there was a time,
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SPEAKER_00: and I There was a time when Tua was playing at a high level in Miami.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm talking like making accurate down-the-field throws with McDaniel.
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SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm trying to say.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't think that's a flu.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think Tua had a couple good years.
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SPEAKER_00: I thought the injuries for me is what kind of took Tua to at least derail him.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't think Tua was a generational talent.
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SPEAKER_00: But was he a good starter in the NFL?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think so.
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SPEAKER_00: Same with Herbert.
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SPEAKER_00: I'd say he's a good starter at best.
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SPEAKER_00: But this talk of him being this, take my shot and enough.
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SPEAKER_00: Do something.
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SPEAKER_00: Win a game.
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SPEAKER_00: 28-0 or whatever.
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SPEAKER_00: 28-3.
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SPEAKER_01: You could sense it Sunday,
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SPEAKER_01: couldn't you, where they were getting those turnovers, but
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SPEAKER_01: they weren't finishing.
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SPEAKER_01: It was 10-0 when it could have been 24-0.
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SPEAKER_01: It was 10-10 when it could have been 28-10.
8:51
SPEAKER_01: They...
8:56
SPEAKER_01: We're charging just a little earlier than usual.
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SPEAKER_01: Usually they charger it up in the fourth quarter.
9:01
SPEAKER_01: They were just playing pat a cake.
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SPEAKER_01: And you had to figure that the Buffalo Bills would turn it on at some point.
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SPEAKER_01: And they did.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, James Cook, post fumble.
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SPEAKER_01: Play one.
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SPEAKER_01: Couldn't have gone any worse for James Cook.
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SPEAKER_01: He turned it on, man.
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SPEAKER_01: He ran hard.
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SPEAKER_01: And they needed every one of those.
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SPEAKER_01: How many carries did he finish with?
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SPEAKER_01: James Cook had...
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SPEAKER_01: 24 carries for $1.53, 6.4 average, along at 23.
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SPEAKER_01: So he was just carving them up in little chunks.
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SPEAKER_00: I have.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, I get the frustration with the fumbles, but that's why you keep feeding them the ball.
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SPEAKER_01: They didn't give the ball to a running back.
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SPEAKER_01: You don't need to.
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SPEAKER_01: It'd be easy for a coach to throw him in the doghouse, get another guy in there.
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SPEAKER_01: They know what they have.
9:50
SPEAKER_00: Here it is, Tyler.
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SPEAKER_00: I've thought about it because we've talked about this on the pod now for two years.
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SPEAKER_00: He leads the NFL in fumbling.
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SPEAKER_00: It doesn't matter.
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SPEAKER_00: He is that good, and I'm with you on all that.
9:59
SPEAKER_00: His slashing cutback style is unique.
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SPEAKER_00: It's hard to find, and he's got the speed to finish.
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SPEAKER_00: He's not a pounder.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not his style, and that's okay.
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SPEAKER_00: What he does is unique.
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SPEAKER_00: But the fumble thing, here's what I want to relate it to because I know you're a Seinfeld fan.
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SPEAKER_00: Think about driving a luxury car like Kramer does,
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SPEAKER_00: and you're just,
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SPEAKER_00: basically,
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SPEAKER_00: you're pushing the envelope because you don't want to pull over to fill that tank.
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SPEAKER_00: You are close to E.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's really what you're going to be dealing with in the fourth quarter
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SPEAKER_00: with James Cook.
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SPEAKER_00: You have that luxury car.
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SPEAKER_00: You better keep driving it.
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SPEAKER_00: But at some point, man, I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: I just, the history...
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SPEAKER_00: I think they're going to have to think about,
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SPEAKER_00: if it continues,
10:45
SPEAKER_00: if it continues, they're going to have to think about fourth quarters at some point.
10:48
SPEAKER_00: That's all I would say.
10:50
SPEAKER_00: But honestly, you got to keep rolling.
10:54
SPEAKER_00: He's just that good.
10:59
SPEAKER_01: We're in week three.
10:59
SPEAKER_01: I get it.
11:01
SPEAKER_01: That's definitely a January conversation on the mileage you're putting on these tires.
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SPEAKER_00: Because right now, it's easy to...
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SPEAKER_01: For us to be Kramer and that car salesman just going like this.
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SPEAKER_01: Let's go!
11:14
SPEAKER_01: And passing the exit and just keep rolling on that highway, baby.
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SPEAKER_01: Because he is a rare back.
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SPEAKER_01: And they almost...
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, it wasn't an accident.
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SPEAKER_01: They saw the talent in him.
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SPEAKER_01: But he was number one back at Georgia.
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SPEAKER_01: When they drafted him,
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SPEAKER_01: they're talking about his receiving ability and how he could be this dual threat.
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SPEAKER_01: Lo and behold,
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SPEAKER_01: he's just become this bell cow that you can keep feeding throughout the course of
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SPEAKER_01: a game.
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SPEAKER_01: And I...
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SPEAKER_01: I get it.
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SPEAKER_01: He's calibrated with that offensive line.
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SPEAKER_01: You heard Connor McGovern and these linemen talking about it after the opener.
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SPEAKER_01: They've been together for a while.
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SPEAKER_01: Even Alec Anderson, the new starter, he's logged a ton of snaps.
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SPEAKER_01: So they can kind of speak the same language up there.
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SPEAKER_01: Look, when you then juxtapose that with the mess in Green Bay,
11:57
SPEAKER_01: and I want to bring them up again in this conversation where
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SPEAKER_01: that line is you've got guards playing tackle and tackle playing guards
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SPEAKER_01: and guards playing centers and your Lincoln Tomlinson is supposed to save
12:09
SPEAKER_01: the day now.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a cluster you-know-what in Green Bay on the offensive line, and it's affecting everything.
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SPEAKER_01: They have zero run game.
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SPEAKER_01: They ran for 17 yards last week against Atlanta.
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SPEAKER_01: Jordan Love is getting pressured more than anybody in the NFL.
12:24
SPEAKER_01: It's awful, and everybody's to blame.
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SPEAKER_01: The head coach, the GM, the O-line coach, the players who are missing the blocks.
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SPEAKER_01: Buffalo doesn't have that synergy.
12:32
SPEAKER_01: They're staying healthy.
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SPEAKER_01: They play together forever.
12:34
SPEAKER_00: You can't ignore the fact that Green Bay is missing a top-five running back.
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SPEAKER_00: That's all I would say.
12:42
SPEAKER_00: I think everything gets heightened because of the lack of Jacobs and Parsons
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SPEAKER_00: on defense for Green Bay, to be honest.
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SPEAKER_00: Those are two top five players at their position.
12:55
SPEAKER_00: Now that's going to be LeFleur's,
12:58
SPEAKER_00: that's going to be his whatever, but good in the GM, but that's on them too.
13:03
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you knew it wasn't like you were surprised by any of this.
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SPEAKER_00: These were all things you could have prepared for.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's where I would say you, you can, but
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SPEAKER_01: you're right.
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SPEAKER_01: Hey, I mean, Josh Jacobs last year, he'd get hit behind the line of scrimmage.
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SPEAKER_00: I love Jacobs.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm a, I think he's a, there's very few backs I think are difference makers.
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SPEAKER_00: I think he's a difference maker.
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SPEAKER_00: So I don't take that lightly with him,
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SPEAKER_00: but to your point,
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SPEAKER_00: I don't want to like, it's an excuse to, I mean, do better, have better players.
13:29
SPEAKER_01: But, And it wasn't a surprise that they traded for Caleb Johnson, I guess.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know, man.
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SPEAKER_01: I talked to Ray Davis in the spring.
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SPEAKER_01: He's pretty frustrated.
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SPEAKER_01: He wants to be a number one back somewhere.
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SPEAKER_01: Hell, he ran for over 100 against a Jets defense that gave Green Bay fits in week two.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know what kind of draft capital you'd part with if you'd ever even want
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SPEAKER_01: to part with him if you're Brandon beating the Bills, but.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm sure Ray Davis wouldn't mind that opportunity.
13:56
SPEAKER_01: You gotta listen.
13:57
SPEAKER_01: You gotta listen to Green
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SPEAKER_00: Bay or elsewhere.
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SPEAKER_01: Cause I, cause I get Buffalo feed and cook.
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SPEAKER_01: He's too good.
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SPEAKER_01: I agree.
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SPEAKER_00: I agree.
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SPEAKER_00: It's just, it's going to just be, I don't know how to explain it other than that.
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SPEAKER_00: It's just, you know, you know, it could happen right in the fourth quarter.
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SPEAKER_00: And as long as everybody understands it could happen, support it and keep it moving.
14:17
SPEAKER_00: Cause he is that good.
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SPEAKER_01: Key point of the game.
14:24
SPEAKER_01: I want to get your thoughts on this.
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SPEAKER_01: So pulling it up here.
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SPEAKER_01: This is when the Bills were down 13 to 10.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
14:35
SPEAKER_01: All right.
14:35
SPEAKER_01: They're still engaged in this pillow fight with Justin Herbert and the gang.
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SPEAKER_01: It's fourth and six at the Chargers 43.
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SPEAKER_01: And Joe Brady goes for it.
14:51
SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: Touchdown.
14:53
SPEAKER_01: Ty Johnson, the Dawson Knox hold, brings it back, but they still get it down to the LA 24.
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SPEAKER_01: That was the critical moment where you could
15:06
SPEAKER_01: try to play this field position game,
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SPEAKER_01: or some coaches might do that because the offense,
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, the offense is, the passing game is playing terribly at that point, right?
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SPEAKER_01: All these turnovers, all these misfires, nothing's working, but still, you stay aggressive.
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SPEAKER_01: Still, you go for it.
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SPEAKER_01: And that play was ridiculous.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, Josh Allen has that in him.
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SPEAKER_01: Nothing's going right.
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SPEAKER_01: And yet, with bodies all around him, he's getting dragged down at his hip.
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SPEAKER_01: He's able to see Ty Johnson to his left at the last minute.
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SPEAKER_00: Flick it over to him.
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SPEAKER_00: And it ended
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SPEAKER_00: up being a,
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SPEAKER_01: gosh, you do the math there, what, 19 yards?
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SPEAKER_01: After all those.
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SPEAKER_01: Huge, huge play.
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SPEAKER_01: Because then, obviously, they later finish the drive.
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SPEAKER_01: They go up 17 to 13 yards.
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SPEAKER_01: And never relinquish.
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SPEAKER_00: I was thinking I was so happy they went for it regardless of what was going to happen.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm thinking, damn, you know, the play looked dead.
16:04
SPEAKER_00: I was like, Hey, you went for it.
16:07
SPEAKER_00: The play is dead.
16:08
SPEAKER_00: And then would you call them all galaxy?
16:12
SPEAKER_00: That's what all galaxy does for you.
16:18
SPEAKER_01: He can get you out of a jam or two or three.
16:21
SPEAKER_01: And then another moment.
16:22
SPEAKER_01: A key third down late in the game.
16:25
SPEAKER_01: Gotta have it to put this one away.
16:28
SPEAKER_01: This is why you trade for DJ Moore.
16:29
SPEAKER_01: This is why you trade the 60th overall pick for somebody that you believe can be
16:33
SPEAKER_01: a true number one.
16:35
SPEAKER_01: You don't really hear everyone eats quite as much anymore.
16:39
SPEAKER_01: It's a cool rallying cry of selflessness and seeing the whole field and finding the open man.
16:45
SPEAKER_01: I get it.
16:46
SPEAKER_01: You still need that dude.
16:48
SPEAKER_01: We've been saying it all offseason.
16:50
SPEAKER_01: You need that wide receiver.
16:52
SPEAKER_01: You're in the huddle.
16:52
SPEAKER_01: You know exactly where you're going to go with the football.
16:55
SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter what they're in.
16:56
SPEAKER_01: Kind of plays into that whole,
16:57
SPEAKER_01: they've got to play us theme that Joe Brady's been talking to us about since March.
17:04
SPEAKER_01: That's why you get DJ Moore.
17:05
SPEAKER_01: You know he's going to win.
17:06
SPEAKER_01: He's going to go in motion.
17:07
SPEAKER_01: He's going to get loose.
17:08
SPEAKER_01: He's going to get a step.
17:09
SPEAKER_01: And Josh Allen is going to get him the football by any means.
17:13
SPEAKER_01: Huge play.
17:14
SPEAKER_01: I think that this was a game where You saw some of these newcomers step up,
17:19
SPEAKER_01: and none bigger than DJ Moore.
17:23
SPEAKER_01: Is he that missing piece for this past game?
17:25
SPEAKER_01: I mean, they don't want to get caught into a playoff game throwing
17:28
SPEAKER_01: to Mac Hollins like they were in the 24 AFC Championship game.
17:31
SPEAKER_01: He's your leading receiver.
17:32
SPEAKER_01: Or throwing to Brandon Cooks on the controversial, was it a catch, was it an interception?
17:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:39
SPEAKER_01: He shouldn't be in that position.
17:40
SPEAKER_01: That should be DJ Moore.
17:42
SPEAKER_01: Everything's on the line.
17:43
SPEAKER_01: You're getting the ball to DJ.
17:44
SPEAKER_00: More in Kincaid.
17:45
SPEAKER_00: And you can see that Josh Allen has that.
17:47
SPEAKER_00: These are your stud players for a reason.
17:50
SPEAKER_00: You look where they were drafted.
17:51
SPEAKER_00: Look at their production in the NFL.
17:54
SPEAKER_00: Kincaid's health is imperative,
17:55
SPEAKER_00: I think, for this offense to take it to that next level that they like to.
17:59
SPEAKER_00: But more seamless signing.
18:05
SPEAKER_00: When that happens in the NFL, it's hard to do, but This one is like a home run check mark.
18:11
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it looks like they've been playing together forever.
18:15
SPEAKER_00: And Josh Allen just looks so happy to have a guy that he can trust, a professional.
18:21
SPEAKER_00: He's a professional.
18:22
SPEAKER_00: That's what he is.
18:26
SPEAKER_01: He's playing hurt, too.
18:28
SPEAKER_01: He had this shoulder issue going on.
18:30
SPEAKER_01: You could see him kind of tend into it through the game, and he was not going to be denied.
18:36
SPEAKER_01: He was going to play in this game.
18:37
SPEAKER_00: And DJ Moore,
18:38
SPEAKER_00: not that he needed to win over anybody in that locker room,
18:42
SPEAKER_00: but when you play hurt like this and the players all know it,
18:46
SPEAKER_00: everybody knows it in the inside,
18:47
SPEAKER_00: they are all just, it's the thump, respect, respect.
18:51
SPEAKER_00: Like that's how you build championships.
18:55
SPEAKER_00: Like this is it.
18:56
SPEAKER_00: And like we said, and the defense came through, that's team effort.
19:00
SPEAKER_00: That's defense helping the offense, huge.
19:06
SPEAKER_01: Just knowing what I do about his personality,
19:09
SPEAKER_01: going back to the Bears series I did last year,
19:12
SPEAKER_01: he's got the personality to tell trainers,
19:16
SPEAKER_01: tell the team doctor, tell coaches, no, I'm playing.
19:19
SPEAKER_01: I'm playing.
19:21
SPEAKER_01: That's just his instinct is to overrule whatever you're telling him and will himself
19:25
SPEAKER_01: onto the field.
19:26
SPEAKER_01: I would not be surprised if that's how the conversation went down with DJ Moore.
19:30
SPEAKER_01: It's week three.
19:31
SPEAKER_01: It's about January.
19:32
SPEAKER_01: It's not about September for the Buffalo Bills.
19:33
SPEAKER_01: He doesn't He doesn't give a damn.
19:35
SPEAKER_01: He's going to play in this game, and that's such a great point, Jim.
19:38
SPEAKER_01: Everybody else notices.
19:40
SPEAKER_01: If one of your leaders,
19:41
SPEAKER_01: one of the vets in that room is going to play through pain, oh,
19:45
SPEAKER_01: by the way,
19:45
SPEAKER_01: Josh Allen couldn't even walk during the week last year on his own at the end.
19:50
SPEAKER_01: He was hurting so bad with that foot, the metatarsal.
19:54
SPEAKER_01: Others are going to follow.
19:55
SPEAKER_01: If you're a backup guard or a linebacker or a saint,
19:59
SPEAKER_01: anybody,
20:00
SPEAKER_01: and you're in pain,
20:01
SPEAKER_01: there's a difference between being sore, Hurting and being injured.
20:06
SPEAKER_01: There's a fine line there.
20:08
SPEAKER_01: And there are players, many players who tap out for a week or two.
20:14
SPEAKER_01: I don't think you see that in Buffalo.
20:15
SPEAKER_01: I think that's what Terry Pagula is talking about
20:17
SPEAKER_01: when he's stressing how much character is in the locker room when we sat down.
20:21
SPEAKER_00: Tyler, I wanted to ask you about that hit that Josh Allen took, though.
20:26
SPEAKER_00: Was there any talk about that?
20:27
SPEAKER_00: Was there anything from that?
20:29
SPEAKER_00: Did they say?
20:31
SPEAKER_00: I guess that'll be something you pay attention to this week during the week,
20:34
SPEAKER_00: but that hit looked close to being ugly on him late in the game.
20:37
SPEAKER_00: I'm not,
20:38
SPEAKER_00: that one is a,
20:39
SPEAKER_00: that's why your whole season,
20:41
SPEAKER_00: I promise you there was some hold your breath, yes, watching him take that hit.
20:47
SPEAKER_00: That was ugly.
20:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's where it gets tough, right?
20:55
SPEAKER_01: Because they want Josh Allen to be himself and to push the envelope.
20:59
SPEAKER_01: But it's true.
21:01
SPEAKER_01: You lose him.
21:02
SPEAKER_01: But he has
21:03
SPEAKER_00: to do that.
21:04
SPEAKER_00: It's like that for most teams.
21:06
SPEAKER_00: But man, that's how close it can come.
21:08
SPEAKER_01: No.
21:10
SPEAKER_01: It's tough.
21:10
SPEAKER_01: I mean, look at all the quarterbacks that are down.
21:13
SPEAKER_01: All over the NFL.
21:14
SPEAKER_01: They can't lose them.
21:17
SPEAKER_01: I just think they're going to continue to play with fire, though.
21:20
SPEAKER_01: I really do.
21:21
SPEAKER_01: I cannot see Joe Brady, Pete Carmichael, and those coaches telling Josh Allen...
21:28
SPEAKER_01: To tone it down.
21:29
SPEAKER_00: No, you shouldn't.
21:29
SPEAKER_00: I was just saying how close it can.
21:32
SPEAKER_00: That's how close it can come, though.
21:36
SPEAKER_01: The only team that can beat the Bills is
21:39
SPEAKER_00: the Bills.
21:40
SPEAKER_00: Really?
21:40
SPEAKER_00: And the Chiefs, I suppose.
21:40
SPEAKER_00: Hold on.
21:41
SPEAKER_00: Hold on.
21:43
SPEAKER_00: That's our first take it easy moment.
21:50
SPEAKER_00: When you're 19th ranked defense,
21:51
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to keep stressing this,
21:53
SPEAKER_00: I still need to,
21:54
SPEAKER_00: like, yes, yesterday was a good day against the 29th ranked offense in the NFL.
21:58
SPEAKER_00: Like, good job.
21:59
SPEAKER_00: But I'm still,
22:01
SPEAKER_00: I still get worried if you can't stop people, and that's what we need to make sure.
22:08
SPEAKER_00: Like, when you play Cincy and Baltimore, namely,
22:11
SPEAKER_00: and Kansas City,
22:11
SPEAKER_00: those three teams,
22:12
SPEAKER_00: because it's still the same, we're still talking about the same teams.
22:17
SPEAKER_00: Shootouts, that's a tough way to go.
22:19
SPEAKER_00: Can you, Can you beat up their quarterback is going to be the key.
22:28
SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm saying that they might beat themselves.
22:30
SPEAKER_01: They had all those turnovers against Denver in the playoffs last year.
22:32
SPEAKER_01: Obviously, it can happen.
22:35
SPEAKER_01: It is a tough way to make a living.
22:36
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
22:37
SPEAKER_01: I do think there's just more havoc being created up front, though.
22:43
SPEAKER_01: I don't know what the metrics you're looking at those a lot closer than me.
22:46
SPEAKER_01: I'm seeing more out of the D-line.
22:47
SPEAKER_00: Gregory Rousseau looks like a completely different player.
22:50
SPEAKER_00: He's always been.
22:51
SPEAKER_01: To me, he's all.
22:52
SPEAKER_01: You're not in?
22:53
SPEAKER_01: You're not buying that Rousseau stock yet?
22:54
SPEAKER_01: Look at Rousseau's history.
22:55
SPEAKER_00: He's always had a good history of pressures.
22:58
SPEAKER_00: That's what they drafted him for.
23:00
SPEAKER_00: But they have,
23:01
SPEAKER_00: I'm just telling you,
23:02
SPEAKER_00: this defense,
23:04
SPEAKER_00: where's the generational talent,
23:05
SPEAKER_00: the D-tackle that we just talked about for two weeks?
23:08
SPEAKER_00: How did he do yesterday?
23:09
SPEAKER_00: Didn't notice him.
23:11
SPEAKER_00: No, he did not do good.
23:12
SPEAKER_00: I watched him.
23:13
SPEAKER_01: He batted the ball.
23:14
SPEAKER_01: He forced that near pick.
23:15
SPEAKER_00: Okay, my point is we're going to see soon enough.
23:19
SPEAKER_01: Dwayne Carter had a nice pressure or two.
23:22
SPEAKER_01: Russo's got six sacks and three forced bumbles.
23:24
SPEAKER_00: He's been a good pass rusher every year of his career.
23:28
SPEAKER_00: He's getting more sacks.
23:29
SPEAKER_00: He's getting home more now because they are playing from ahead and they're teeing off on people.
23:34
SPEAKER_00: But a lot of his sacks are scheme.
23:37
SPEAKER_01: Which is a formula.
23:38
SPEAKER_01: We talked about that.
23:39
SPEAKER_01: It is.
23:40
SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying.
23:41
SPEAKER_01: I think it's sustainable.
23:43
SPEAKER_00: Until they can show me they can stop anybody,
23:45
SPEAKER_00: it's going to be tough to beat Lamar Burrow or Mahomes.
23:48
SPEAKER_00: I still think it's going to be hard.
23:53
SPEAKER_01: It's a fair point.
23:55
SPEAKER_01: You know, when you've got Max Harrison, Davison, Igbenosan now at corner.
23:58
SPEAKER_01: We'll see what's up with Christian Benford's toe, right?
24:02
SPEAKER_01: I want to say it was a toe.
24:04
SPEAKER_01: When he came up lame, hang with me here.
24:08
SPEAKER_00: I didn't see what the injury was for him.
24:10
SPEAKER_00: I saw that he, yeah.
24:13
SPEAKER_00: He's, I mean, Benford has his.
24:16
SPEAKER_01: Right, yep, it was a late third quarter.
24:18
SPEAKER_01: Went down, they lose him, and he was struggling himself.
24:21
SPEAKER_00: For last year and a half, I've seen him get beat plenty.
24:27
SPEAKER_01: CJ Gardner-Johnson had the interception.
24:31
SPEAKER_01: Solid game.
24:32
SPEAKER_01: Good game.
24:33
SPEAKER_01: You're relying on the front getting pressure.
24:37
SPEAKER_01: That's a dangerous way to make a living, but I like going down swinging if you're the Bills.
24:42
SPEAKER_01: You've done too much of the sit back, make them go 15 plays, maybe they'll screw up.
24:48
SPEAKER_01: That doesn't work against Mahomes and Burrow and Lamar and the best of the best
24:53
SPEAKER_01: when everything's on the line.
24:54
SPEAKER_01: They will gladly sit there, pick you apart.
24:57
SPEAKER_01: Bo Nix did it, third and 11, Court and Sutton.
25:01
SPEAKER_01: Take chances.
25:03
SPEAKER_01: Take chances.
25:04
SPEAKER_01: Give up yards.
25:05
SPEAKER_01: First two games, how they gave up points.
25:08
SPEAKER_01: Just create a culture of turnovers and opportunistic moments where you're going
25:14
SPEAKER_01: to – Deion Walker is going to get that one pressure that creates that one turnover
25:18
SPEAKER_01: or that one sack on third down and flips the game
25:21
SPEAKER_00: because that's all this quarterback needs.
25:23
SPEAKER_01: You're not playing ball control.
25:25
SPEAKER_01: And I think Brady gets that in a way his predecessor did not.
25:28
SPEAKER_00: At the end of the day, they've played two good offenses and didn't stop either one.
25:31
SPEAKER_00: They played one horrible offense and had some success.
25:37
SPEAKER_01: They do have a quarterback who nearly won MVP last year coming to town next week in Drake May.
25:43
SPEAKER_00: That's for another pod right now.
25:46
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
25:47
SPEAKER_01: I feel like the godfather.
25:49
SPEAKER_01: They massacred my boy.
25:50
SPEAKER_01: They massacred my boy, Jim.
25:53
SPEAKER_00: No, we'll talk about it later.
25:54
SPEAKER_00: What is going on with
25:54
SPEAKER_01: Drake May?
25:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we'll talk about it later.
25:58
SPEAKER_00: It's bad, Bale.
26:00
SPEAKER_01: Right, we'll have real football later this week, but man.
26:03
SPEAKER_00: It's bad.
26:04
SPEAKER_01: It's bad.
26:04
SPEAKER_01: You've got Mike Vrabel doing the full Russini,
26:08
SPEAKER_01: Sedona, hands on the shoulders to Drake May on the sideline.
26:12
SPEAKER_01: There is nothing worse.
26:14
SPEAKER_01: You're already at that point.
26:15
SPEAKER_01: You can't go full Russini week three for Braves.
26:17
SPEAKER_00: Well said.
26:18
SPEAKER_00: Not good.
26:18
SPEAKER_00: Anybody that's ever played quarterback, I mean, get out of my face with that.
26:24
SPEAKER_00: Like, there is no way I'd want some coach.
26:26
SPEAKER_00: I never had a coach do that to me when I played.
26:28
SPEAKER_00: But, like, get out of my face as a coach.
26:32
SPEAKER_00: Get your arms off me.
26:33
SPEAKER_00: I'm struggling.
26:36
SPEAKER_01: Isn't that the truth?
26:37
SPEAKER_01: Scream at me instead of that.
26:40
SPEAKER_01: Get in my face and mother F me up and down.
26:42
SPEAKER_01: I was the same way in high school.
26:43
SPEAKER_00: Literally, like, I don't know what was that.
26:46
SPEAKER_00: No way do I want that.
26:48
SPEAKER_00: Bad look.
26:50
SPEAKER_00: Because it's like patronizing,
26:52
SPEAKER_01: you know?
26:53
SPEAKER_01: It's babying, patronizing.
26:56
SPEAKER_01: Get out of here with that.
27:01
SPEAKER_00: Oh, man.
27:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't know.
27:03
SPEAKER_01: I'm not giving up.
27:04
SPEAKER_01: I'm not giving up.
27:05
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, no.
27:05
SPEAKER_00: I think there's something there, but yeah, he's definitely a ways away.
27:10
SPEAKER_01: The shoulder.
27:11
SPEAKER_01: The shoulder.
27:12
SPEAKER_01: There's got to be something.
27:14
SPEAKER_00: I told you, I wasn't his biggest fan coming out of college.
27:16
SPEAKER_00: We're not doctors, but we do have eyeballs.
27:18
SPEAKER_00: I wasn't the biggest fan of his coming out of college, so.
27:22
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
27:24
SPEAKER_01: Well, clearly it was all Stephon Diggs, right?
27:27
SPEAKER_00: It was a mix of Diggs and we know.
27:31
SPEAKER_00: It can't be overstated what they did last year as far as who they played.
27:36
SPEAKER_00: It really was an amazing kind of how it lined up for them last year.
27:41
SPEAKER_00: So that can't be underrated.
27:43
SPEAKER_00: It did.
27:44
SPEAKER_00: It did.
27:46
SPEAKER_00: He was so good in these games.
27:49
SPEAKER_00: He was good.
27:49
SPEAKER_01: Really, I'm thinking of that Saints game,
27:51
SPEAKER_01: some of those deep shots,
27:52
SPEAKER_01: the deep accuracy, the brain to pick up Josh McDaniel's offense.
27:59
SPEAKER_01: They're watching Tom Brady clips during the week.
28:01
SPEAKER_01: They're doing the stuff that worked for one of the greatest ever.
28:07
SPEAKER_01: He's got socked in the mouth.
28:08
SPEAKER_01: We'll see how he responds.
28:09
SPEAKER_01: They are desperate.
28:11
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if they need to win, but they need to show a pulse.
28:15
SPEAKER_01: At Highmark Stadium.
28:16
SPEAKER_00: I can't stop laughing.
28:18
SPEAKER_00: They didn't show a pulse in Jacksonville.
28:20
SPEAKER_00: I can't stop laughing, though,
28:21
SPEAKER_00: because when you're Vrabel and you do what you call the Russini,
28:25
SPEAKER_00: arms over the shoulder, I love you, to Drake May, like, please help me.
28:30
SPEAKER_00: That's your last.
28:31
SPEAKER_00: I mean, if it doesn't get better from here, what do you do?
28:34
SPEAKER_00: You went all the way in.
28:36
SPEAKER_00: Now you just begged.
28:38
SPEAKER_01: Tommy Salami?
28:40
SPEAKER_00: That's just a bad look.
28:41
SPEAKER_00: I still can't believe he did that.
28:46
SPEAKER_01: What, throwing DeVito in there at the end?
28:48
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I love Tommy DeVito.
28:50
SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
28:52
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm just talking about his arms over the shoulder on May.
28:55
SPEAKER_00: You can't put your arms over the shoulder.
28:57
SPEAKER_00: You can't put your arms.
29:01
SPEAKER_01: Last point on the Bills, I think is
29:06
SPEAKER_01: knowing how to finish, facing some adversity.
29:09
SPEAKER_01: Getting punched.
29:10
SPEAKER_01: Everything's going wrong.
29:11
SPEAKER_01: And not letting that thing completely snowball on you.
29:15
SPEAKER_01: Again, like the Green Bay Packers.
29:17
SPEAKER_01: Things snowball for Matt LaFleur.
29:21
SPEAKER_01: They don't have the heart.
29:23
SPEAKER_01: They don't have the guts.
29:24
SPEAKER_01: They start expecting the next thing to go wrong.
29:26
SPEAKER_01: And the next thing does go wrong.
29:28
SPEAKER_01: Repeatedly.
29:29
SPEAKER_01: And they're blown out.
29:31
SPEAKER_01: Or they give up a double-digit lead.
29:34
SPEAKER_01: It's hard to quantify, right?
29:35
SPEAKER_01: Point A to point B.
29:36
SPEAKER_01: How...
29:37
SPEAKER_01: But it is coaching to some extent to psychologically prepare your players to respond
29:43
SPEAKER_01: through the course of a game like that.
29:45
SPEAKER_01: The Packers have not been able to.
29:47
SPEAKER_01: The Bills did against a bad Chargers offense.
29:50
SPEAKER_01: But a desperate Chargers team.
29:51
SPEAKER_01: Can't underestimate that.
29:52
SPEAKER_01: Good win.
29:53
SPEAKER_00: That was a good win.
29:54
SPEAKER_00: Desperate.
29:54
SPEAKER_01: And that's a dangerous team.
29:56
SPEAKER_01: It's a good win for the Bills to get this.
30:00
SPEAKER_01: And I guess the division's pretty much locked up with a win in week four.
30:06
SPEAKER_01: We're going to talk about this another time.
30:08
SPEAKER_00: Could it get to the point the Bills could, like, sit Josh Allen at the end of the year?
30:12
SPEAKER_00: It's very possible.
30:18
SPEAKER_01: Are we already having that conversation of rust in week 17, 18, or health?
30:26
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's real.
30:29
SPEAKER_01: Possibly.
30:30
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you're...
30:31
SPEAKER_00: You're going to have to show up every game in your division,
30:33
SPEAKER_00: but they shouldn't lose any of those teams.
30:39
SPEAKER_01: No, no.
30:42
SPEAKER_01: And look, we were just waxing poetic about the Cincinnati Bengals defense.
30:45
SPEAKER_01: Aaron Rodgers.
30:46
SPEAKER_01: Week to week league.
30:47
SPEAKER_01: You see Aaron Rodgers and Darnell Washington and Roman Wilson tear them up.
30:51
SPEAKER_01: You called that, Jim.
30:52
SPEAKER_01: I said.
30:52
SPEAKER_01: We were texting or talking on the phone about it last week.
30:55
SPEAKER_00: Week to week league.
30:58
SPEAKER_01: All right, we'll catch us later this week for real football.
31:01
SPEAKER_01: We'll get to the rest of the NFL.
31:03
SPEAKER_01: Definitely want to make this a habit, though.
31:05
SPEAKER_01: We're both in Western New York.
31:06
SPEAKER_01: I'll be at a lot of these Bills games to kind of put a bow on the Bills,
31:11
SPEAKER_01: the home team here for all of you.
31:12
SPEAKER_01: So thanks so much for watching, listening, wherever, however.
31:16
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SPEAKER_01: Also Apple, Spotify, and our YouTube channel.
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SPEAKER_01: Make sure you subscribe to the Go Long TD YouTube channel.
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SPEAKER_01: We're getting a lot of traction there, Jim, which is awesome.
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SPEAKER_01: Thanks so much, everyone.
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SPEAKER_01: We will catch you very soon.