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Ep. 63 : Revisiting Preseason Picks · Cards & Categories

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome everybody to episode sixty three of Cards
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  Speaker 1: and Categories. I'm Mike coolired from Rasball, joined us always
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  Speaker 1: by my very good friend Jeremy Burr, also from Rasball.
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  Speaker 2: How are you doing tonight, buddy, I am just dandy.
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  Speaker 2: I'm all razzed up about the playoffs play on words
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  Speaker 2: there on purpose, Yes, you got it. It has been
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  Speaker 2: an exciting I've been waiting all week for that one.
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  Speaker 2: It's been an exciting start of the playoffs there. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know about you, but it has been a thrilling
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  Speaker 2: storylin after storyline, and it looks like we're gonna have
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  Speaker 2: some interesting teams trying to sneak through here and make
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  Speaker 2: the fall class take a lot more interesting than a
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  Speaker 2: heavyweight fight might indicate. So very excited to see. We'll
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  Speaker 2: see what comes out next few days here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I've been really sucked into all of these games
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  Speaker 1: recently because they've been ever since that Mets Braves doubleheader
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  Speaker 1: that we had last week that really I thought maybe
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  Speaker 1: that'd be like the high point of the playoffs in
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  Speaker 1: the season, but it just keeps coming. These playoffs have
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  Speaker 1: been tight. We've had lots of great performances, lots of
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  Speaker 1: seminal moments. We're speaking on the evening of October ninth,
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  Speaker 1: so literally, the New York Mets just clinched their spot
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  Speaker 1: in the LCS like five minutes ago. So that was
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of a roller coaster ride with Edwin
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  Speaker 1: Diaz at the end. But we've walked into today when
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  Speaker 1: we've had the four games going in the Division Series,
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  Speaker 1: all four DS's were tied up at one point one.
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  Speaker 1: It's just been a crazy back and forth battle. But
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  Speaker 1: what has really stood out to you the most from
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs or what is kind of like really sunk
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  Speaker 1: into your memory over the past week since we've talked.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it's you know, two teams
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  Speaker 2: right now just seem hotter than hot is the San
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  Speaker 2: Diego Padres and Roy Tigers. They just seem like and
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  Speaker 2: it's not like the Potters have a good team. Don't
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  Speaker 2: get me wrong, the Tigers have it. I'm gonna call
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  Speaker 2: it a decent team. No offense to the Tigers, but
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  Speaker 2: like they just seem to be hot at the right time.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean, what they want a bullpen game and
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  Speaker 2: it's just like, well we don't have enough starter, We'll
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  Speaker 2: just throw the whole bullpen and we'll just shut you out.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's it seems like they're they are just on
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  Speaker 2: a roll. Nobody can get in their way. And so
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  Speaker 2: those two teams just seem like they're gonna they have
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  Speaker 2: the vibe going, they think. I think a few a
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  Speaker 2: year ago or two years ago, the Phillies just had
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  Speaker 2: that vibe thing going. It didn't work all the way
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  Speaker 2: through necessarily, but they had the vibe just fully going.
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  Speaker 2: And that's you know, that's kind of what I feel
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  Speaker 2: with the Padres and the Tigers right now. So I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if anybody could have predicted you know, Patter's
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  Speaker 2: Tigers World Series, and I'm not fully predicting one yet,
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  Speaker 2: but like it seems like that's a real possibility, and man,
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  Speaker 2: I actually think i'd be fun to watch. So I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, that's kind of what stands out to me. Besides,
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  Speaker 2: you can talk about my name, Machado and a few
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  Speaker 2: other things. Right A true school has just been outstanding.
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  Speaker 2: But what about you? What sticks out to you with
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  Speaker 2: these playoffs?
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you're calling for a forty year anniversary of
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  Speaker 1: the nineteen eighty four World Series there between the Tigers
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  Speaker 1: and the Padres. I mean, certainly, the Tigers have been
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  Speaker 1: a really fun team to watch as they just kind
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  Speaker 1: of keep skating through and have been super hot. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I've been really intrigued watching the Mets. They've also been
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  Speaker 1: super hot. I think they've had the best record in
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  Speaker 1: baseball since June first, and so they've just been on
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  Speaker 1: a roll. They've got that like Grimace energy and the
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  Speaker 1: OMG energy and all of the celebrities they were, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Jerry Seinfeld was there, Hank Azaria was there. They've got
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  Speaker 1: everybody out in the Queen's there. You could show that
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  Speaker 1: I'm not hanging out in New York too often calling
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  Speaker 1: it the Queens. They look fantastic, and tonight was a
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  Speaker 1: really big test for them, especially when Edwin Diaz came out,
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  Speaker 1: you know, following that huge Francisco Lindor Grand Slam. That's
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  Speaker 1: been great to see. As you know, we've talked about
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  Speaker 1: over the summer how Lindor is really putting in the
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  Speaker 1: final pieces to a Hall of Fame resume and if
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  Speaker 1: he can, especially you know, carry the Mets to the
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  Speaker 1: World Series. I mean, not necessarily win the World Series,
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  Speaker 1: but I think reach a World Series, especially given his
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  Speaker 1: Balky back down the stretch, that would be quite the
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  Speaker 1: story and feather in his cap. But tonight was just
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  Speaker 1: great to see the Mets kind of overcome the nerves
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  Speaker 1: of Like, honestly, I was even getting nervous watching Edwin
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  Speaker 1: Diaz out there after he had walked the first two
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  Speaker 1: batters of the ninth inning. It looked like the Mets
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  Speaker 1: were back to their old selves and on their way
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  Speaker 1: to blowing it against this Phillies team. And then from
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  Speaker 1: there you just knew that the rails were going to
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  Speaker 1: fall off and the Phillies would win Game five. But
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  Speaker 1: they hung in and they look really solid. The pitching's
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  Speaker 1: been going really well. I think the other thing that's
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  Speaker 1: really stood up for me is just for and tattist
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  Speaker 1: Junior has kind of reached a different echelon of bat
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  Speaker 1: I think in the playoffs that when he opened that
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  Speaker 1: series against the Dodgers here with that just giant homer
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  Speaker 1: at home, like it just really has changed everything. And
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  Speaker 1: just watching the Padres, you know, in the face of
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  Speaker 1: the denigration from Ken Rosenthal out there and just it
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  Speaker 1: does seem like they are a team of destiny as well. So,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think because of that Padres Mets NLCS
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  Speaker 1: would just be fantastic television, fantastic fireworks. And on the
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  Speaker 1: other side, like the Yankees are, I think the intriguing story,
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  Speaker 1: like it's good to still kind of keep them around
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  Speaker 1: from having just the whole behemoth kind of dark empire
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  Speaker 1: part of it all that it's fun to hate on
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  Speaker 1: the Yankees and have that foil.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it is. It's nice to have a common
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  Speaker 2: enemy at times. Sorry Yankee fans, but that's there. It's
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  Speaker 2: gonna take a long time from the shed that that weight.
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  Speaker 2: But uh yeah, I think you know, you hit on
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  Speaker 2: something for true here is like the Padres Dodgers series.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I look at just even the team the
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  Speaker 2: Dodgers are fielding tonight. Freeman's on the lineup. They got Brazier,
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  Speaker 2: uh you know, taking taking the opener role. Uh, Bueler
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  Speaker 2: has been really struggling. It's like they they be they
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  Speaker 2: got thinned real fast, and I don't think people realize
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  Speaker 2: how then they were getting and that's really really hurt them.
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  Speaker 2: And so they're not too intimidating right now. And when
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  Speaker 2: you're facing such a hot team, and to your point,
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  Speaker 2: Tatis's is doing something probably making a number of folks
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  Speaker 2: that invest in his cards when his market dropped, very
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  Speaker 2: very happy uh at this time as well. So these
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  Speaker 2: playoffs are are are crazy. I'm going to put you
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  Speaker 2: to the test here. What's you call? Who you?
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  Speaker 1: Who you?
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  Speaker 2: Who are you taking at this point for the World Series.
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  Speaker 2: I'm I'm only making take the winner.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, I think at this point in time, the Yankees
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  Speaker 1: probably pull it off. I think just it's really tough
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  Speaker 1: getting through that lineup with Judge and Soto kind of
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  Speaker 1: hanging around, and I think it's really started to show
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  Speaker 1: more against this this Royals team. And I mean part
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  Speaker 1: of it is just the playoff atmosphere that you're putting
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  Speaker 1: all that pressure on the opposing pitture, it does look
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  Speaker 1: they're tough to get out, even though Judge has been cold,
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  Speaker 1: like the pictures have made great pitches against him. And
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  Speaker 1: part of it too, is like Judge has kind of
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  Speaker 1: been pressing a little bit, but Lon Soto is just
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  Speaker 1: otherworldly and they've got a solid bullpen, They've probably got
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  Speaker 1: the Padres probably have the most starting pitching depth at
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  Speaker 1: this point, but the Yankees have that as well. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna go with the Yankees right now? What
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  Speaker 1: about you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if this is a brazen or not,
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  Speaker 2: but I think I'm I want to take the Tigers.
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  Speaker 1: I do.
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  Speaker 2: I just can't go that far. I'm going I'm on
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  Speaker 2: the Podres train right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah hard like everybody. Yeah, it would be fantastic watching
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  Speaker 1: this Tigers team win, but.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah it would, But right now, I have to I
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  Speaker 2: have to leans the Padres. I just I think they
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  Speaker 2: have a mo ojo that you really can't, you know,
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  Speaker 2: argue with. And it's not just the mojo. They have
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  Speaker 2: the talent too, right. They have the talent across the board.
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  Speaker 2: They have a deep lineup, they have a deep bullpen,
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  Speaker 2: they have a really good rotation, and it feels like
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  Speaker 2: all those things going together at the same time is
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  Speaker 2: what's happening right now. And I think that's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: really hard to beat as the series gets longer. I
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  Speaker 2: think that's the thing for the Padres, as the series
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  Speaker 2: could become the seven game series. I think they're scarier
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  Speaker 2: than a lot of the other teams. So I've got
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  Speaker 2: the Podres. I'm I'm gonna take the Padres and six
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  Speaker 2: over the Tigers. Bus bonus points there for that one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you are going with the eighty four series rematch.
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  Speaker 1: I think that Yankees Padres is probably gonna end up
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  Speaker 1: being the World Series like at this point, and then
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's a ninety eight World Series, man, So
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  Speaker 1: they'll only two times the Padres have made it event
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  Speaker 1: against the Tigers and the Yankee So it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: funny that it's all working out that way. But okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's dive into some of our normal news and notes
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  Speaker 1: before we get into the second half of our show,
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  Speaker 1: which is we're going to go back on the preseason
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  Speaker 1: staff picks that we had up on ras Ball and
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  Speaker 1: kind of re evaluate what we had in terms of
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  Speaker 1: we made the MVP and cy Young and Rookie of
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  Speaker 1: the Year picks, which are heart is all get out,
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  Speaker 1: so you'll especially see as you know, I will link
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  Speaker 1: to that, and we get into the discussion that injuries
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  Speaker 1: certainly play a big role there. But in terms of
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  Speaker 1: our picks, we also made fantasy ones in terms of
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  Speaker 1: you know, breakout hitters, breakout pitchers, bounce backs, and then
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  Speaker 1: kind of like fantasy MVPs, where considering the cost that
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  Speaker 1: you might have paid for them, how good could this be?
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  Speaker 1: As a piece for your team. So we will review that,
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  Speaker 1: but before we do that, we're to get into some
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  Speaker 1: news and notes that have happened over the past week
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  Speaker 1: that haven't been the playoffs. And if you're looking for
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  Speaker 1: any of the information we're about to discuss, you can
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  Speaker 1: find the news and notes, links and everything else we're
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  Speaker 1: going to talk about in the show notes or at
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  Speaker 1: rasball dot com. So we're going to get into we
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  Speaker 1: have one piece of injury news that our boy, Brent Rooker,
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  Speaker 1: mostly your boy like you love that boys. I was
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  Speaker 1: looking it up because on our historical player rader on
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  Speaker 1: rasball dot Com, the twenty twenty four hasn't quite moved
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  Speaker 1: into there, but Brent Rooker's twenty four season is going
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  Speaker 1: to be in like the top. I think it was
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  Speaker 1: like three hundredsish of all time this season, which is
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't sound impressive, but considering how many years of
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  Speaker 1: baseball there have been it goes back to nineteen oh three,
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty dang impressive. Considering where you probably took Brent Rooker.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody took him as their fantasy hitter MVP. Somebody probably
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  Speaker 1: should have, but he did undergo surgery to repair an
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  Speaker 1: extensor in his right arm. So with that, I was
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  Speaker 1: looking this up what it actually is. It's like the
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  Speaker 1: ligaments that help move your fingers. So he had a
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  Speaker 1: partial tear in one of those, and that means he
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  Speaker 1: had actually been playing with it, I think since like May,
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  Speaker 1: so it wasn't affecting him too much. And if anything,
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  Speaker 1: that Brent Rooker that we saw since May was still
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  Speaker 1: an outstanding player and he's going to be full of
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  Speaker 1: repaired going into next season, doesn't appear that this surgery
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  Speaker 1: is going to have any ill effects on his preseason
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  Speaker 1: start and getting into spring training. So does this even
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  Speaker 1: like kick Brent Rooker up a few notches? Maybe for
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  Speaker 1: you in your mind, because maybe we didn't see the
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  Speaker 1: best Brent Worker could be.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for anything it does for me maybe
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  Speaker 2: averages out the potential like regression you just feel might
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  Speaker 2: be there from a career season and so like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: maybe he's gonna step back May he can't do that again.
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  Speaker 2: But yet he was hurt the whole time, so maybe
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  Speaker 2: he can't. Like I think it kind of averages all
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  Speaker 2: out for me in the wash. So I'm not I'm
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  Speaker 2: not looking at it one way or the other. But
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  Speaker 2: I am looking at his man. That was an incredibly
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  Speaker 2: impressive season, like and and to your point, having such
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  Speaker 2: a good season on the Player Raider for basically free,
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  Speaker 2: like that's that is hard to do.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: No shameless plug here, but I think my last post
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  Speaker 2: of the of the season was called finding Brent Rooker,
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  Speaker 2: looking for the next Brent Rooker. I'm not sure if
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  Speaker 2: he jumped in and read that one, uh, but it's
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  Speaker 2: a it's a hard task finding a guy that's basically
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  Speaker 2: off the radar, that has potential to just make one
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  Speaker 2: change and and really shoot through the fantasy eschloon there.
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  Speaker 2: And uh, Rooker really took that by storm. And like,
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  Speaker 2: I just don't see anything in his profile to say
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  Speaker 2: it can't continue to happen like it's it is impressive
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  Speaker 2: and us he's gonna be great again next year. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: injury or not, he had a great season for me.
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  Speaker 2: Yet to your point, gives me maybe a little hope that
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  Speaker 2: the that we're going to have just a repeating it
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  Speaker 2: next year. And I'm signing up for all day long.
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  Speaker 2: So really thrilled to see what's going to happen. Hopefully
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  Speaker 2: he looks fully healthy in the Springs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, So we will see where he starts
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  Speaker 1: going in draft season, because I mean, I think he
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  Speaker 1: could end up on either of our phantasy MVP hitters
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  Speaker 1: if he's not being respected in draft tables next year,
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  Speaker 1: because I am also on board that I'm willing to
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  Speaker 1: take him pretty early just to be able to capitalize
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  Speaker 1: on all that good work he's done.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I have to make that the shameless plug. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Michael Toglia is my Brent Rooker for next year. He
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  Speaker 2: on a very official Brent Rooker scale's nine out of ten.
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea what that means, but it's good.
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  Speaker 1: Very scientific, very scientific doctor Jeremy Brew over here, just
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  Speaker 1: like doctor Keelan doing all the injury reports. We got
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  Speaker 1: some PhDs up at Rasball, the PhD sales or something else,
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  Speaker 1: that's for sure. But yes, and I will link to
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  Speaker 1: that piece as well so that people can see it.
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  Speaker 1: Because the number two player that you have on that
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  Speaker 1: Brent Rooker piece is actually was one of your preseason picks,
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  Speaker 1: so you can also hang around in the second half
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  Speaker 1: and find out who that was. All right, next piece
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  Speaker 1: of news that we have is Tomoyuki Sogano is going
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  Speaker 1: to be coming over from MPB this offseason, so he
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  Speaker 1: really broke out back in twenty seventeen during that WBC,
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  Speaker 1: And there's been a couple of times over the years
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  Speaker 1: where Sugano has been rumored to be posted, So he
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  Speaker 1: will be coming over as a thirty five year old.
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  Speaker 1: His birthday's actually Friday, It's October eleventh, So happy birthday
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  Speaker 1: Tomoyuki Sugano out there. He has played for the Yuman
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  Speaker 1: Yuri Giants his entire career and been one of the
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  Speaker 1: best pitchers over there. He's kind of he's more of
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  Speaker 1: like a I would say, like a bulldog pitcher, like
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  Speaker 1: in terms of you get the electric st that came
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  Speaker 1: from Darvish and from Otani and even Roki Sasaki and Yamamoto.
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  Speaker 1: I would almost say that Sugano is I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: think of like a good like comparison because kind of
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  Speaker 1: like Justin Verlander, where like, you know, maybe mid like
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  Speaker 1: career Justin Verlander when some of like the the stuff
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  Speaker 1: on his fastball degraded a little bit more, or I
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  Speaker 1: think a little bit of like a right handed Kershaw
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  Speaker 1: where just like he's a pitcher's pitcher, he's a fantastic
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  Speaker 1: just piece and he will be thirty five coming over.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm wondering, what are you looking for in terms
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  Speaker 1: of him moving over from NPB. Is there like a
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  Speaker 1: team that would really stand out to you that you
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  Speaker 1: would love to see him land in, And what do
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  Speaker 1: you think he can do in MLB coming into twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think he's an interesting use case here.
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  Speaker 2: You have the age curve where he's clearly on the
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  Speaker 2: back end of the that. You have a few years
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  Speaker 2: that he was not living up to maybe the potential.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he had three or four years there kind
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  Speaker 2: of mid threes. In the last year or two he's
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  Speaker 2: been just lights out dominant, And so I think there's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be like a very wide range of interest in Sigano.
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  Speaker 2: And I couldn't tell you if he's gonna sign for
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  Speaker 2: five million or twenty five million or fifty million, Like
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  Speaker 2: I just it feels like it could be a little
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  Speaker 2: all over the place. But I think you're really looking
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  Speaker 2: at any team that's looking for mid rotation depths, and
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  Speaker 2: so I think it's any team it would would probably
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  Speaker 2: have interest. But you are looking at any team with
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  Speaker 2: the good defense that can can make that play and
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  Speaker 2: then also you have the who's who of teams that
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  Speaker 2: tend to play in that Japanese market. So you got
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  Speaker 2: the Giants, you got the Dodgers, you get the the Mariners.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you got those those key teams. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the Cubs have been playing there a little bit more
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  Speaker 2: with Imon Naga, So I think those are kind of
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  Speaker 2: your most likely landing spots, you know, if if I
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  Speaker 2: was to pick one, like, and I do not see
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  Speaker 2: this happening, so sorry for throwing that's out there, but like,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like the Royals are a really great fit
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: for uh Sugano here as far as like a defense
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: that seems to be emerging, a ballpark that is a
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: little tougher to hit in, but like with the control
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: that he has as somebody can kind of hold up
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: in that ballpark. So just a random gut feel of
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: like a team i'd love to see him on. But
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: I you know, if I was to pick a team
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: out of the hat right now, I'd say it feels
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: like the Giants feels like a Buster Posey making a
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: splash in the international market with the Miles Miclis of
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: just Japan League here coming over at this point, So
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know, how about you, where do you see
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Sigano falling?
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, when you were kind of lining up what
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: you're looking at in terms of the team that might
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: be seeking out Sagano. Honestly, I was thinking of the
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Mets a lot too. They're going to be looking for
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: number two, number three starter type. Sengo should be going
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: into next year healthy. Obviously, I think they have to
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: bring back Sean and I at whatever his asking price
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: is going to be, given how great he's been down
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: the stretch, and I think Sugano would slot in really
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: well as like a number two or number three there
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: for the Mets. And maybe I mean, I think that
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: this run for the Mets, especially as they've pushed themselves
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: into the NLCS, it's gonna just like make Steve Cohen
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: froth at the mouth to get to the World Series
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: if they don't complete the journey and win it all
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: this year. Because this team is starting to turn the
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: corner in some of those prospects that they brought back
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: from blowing it up last year are making their way up,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: so we see the pieces coming together. I also wanted
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: to bring up Sugano because he has a pretty significant
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: card history Baseball card history. His rookie card from Japan,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: the BBM set is in twenty thirteen, that's when he
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: debuted in Japan and MPB, so those will be of
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: available out there, and he had a card in the
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: twenty seventeen Bowman set as well with the World Baseball Classics,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: where that set's actually Morgan so home because it's kind
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: of like Otani's first Bowman unofficially, and those are some
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: very pricey cards that the Sagano's. If you're looking to
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: invest in any of these before he comes over the
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: way you know yamamotor Imanaga did last year, that's where
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: you can start looking because I think over these next
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks it'll be the time where there's a
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: roll in those prices before it really kind of kicks
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: in that people realize Sagana's coming over, you.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, and that's it. I think it's very interesting
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: card marketing. And I do think that with the best
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: comp you go back to last year with Shota Imanaga,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: y Yoshi was a little bit I think it was
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: flash year, so I don't think that's a necessarily fair comparison,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: like we're talking about Yoki Sasaki or something like that
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: then you know, that's a whole different ballgame that that
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: market is going to be crazy. But I think Sugano
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: will have a market. It's going to be a very
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: i'll say a prospect call up market is the way
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I would look at it. You know, when he gets posted,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: there's gonna be a little bump. When he gets signed
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: wherever he signs that it's gonna go up very fast,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: and then it's gonna come back down, uh to kind
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: of within reason until the season starts and you just
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: kind of see what see what happens with him. So
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: I think it is the time to to buy here.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: It's a low risk, medium reward, I think, is the
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: way I look at it. You know, I think it
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: ultimately comes down to kind of what kind of contract
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: he signs and what kind of interest. But it seems
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: like he's committed to trying to come over to the
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: MLB and and and shows show his stuff. See see
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: if the sea off the affairs.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And I mean also kind of a low
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: key like legend of just baseball Sugana is in terms
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: of like what he's done in Japan with the Yoma
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Yuri Giants, which is more akin to like honestly like
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: the Yankees over there, yep, in terms of like the
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: way that that franchise is venerated, so like, uh, if
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: he can come over and put together a decent Actually,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Tanaka is a pretty good I think comp for him
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: too coming over that like that sort of stuff where
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: just a crafty pitcher, maybe even like a tick better,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: but obviously with the age. So I'm intrigued, Like I'm
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: really looking forward to him coming over. I thought he
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: would come over sooner, but I'm glad that he's getting
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: the chance.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's move on to our next piece of news,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: and that is I can't believe that this happened. This
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: kind of came out of nowhere over the last couple
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: of days that.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: The we jinks this one because we thought I'll skip
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Schack the Reds.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Like nope, yeah, the classic podcast jinks is back, but
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: the Reds higher Terry Francona, which we talked about this
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: a little bit last week with Puster Posey being added
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: as the Pobo in San Francisco, that I couldn't believe
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: that that happened because like Buster Posey partly retired to
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: like spend more time with his family and like took
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty season off to like help take care
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: of his kids and seemed to just like want to
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: enjoy life outside of base football. And Francona had a
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: similar thing where obviously it is a little bit more
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: health related, but that's why he left the Cleveland Guardians
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: last year. I mean, he's i think probably a Hall
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: of fame manager that you know, what he did in
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Boston and the stretch that he oversaw in Cleveland have
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: just been so tremendous. And also he's just like one
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: of those great guys of all of baseball where nobody
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: has anything ill willed to say about Terry Francona, that
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: everybody loves him. He's a great strategist, he's a great
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: players manager. And so Cincinnati, I mean, this is a
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: huge pickup for them that you can see maybe also
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: why that they after signing David Bell to that contract extension,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: came back and fired him because they probably had something
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: cooking with Francona already. And that's a pretty significant upgrade
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: in terms of managers, in terms of clubhouse presence and
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: just leadership overall. So what do you think that this
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: does for the Cincinnati Reds with them hiring Tierry Francona.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how you quantify the impact of it,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: but I think it helps. I think it's it is
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: with the team. They have, the youth movement, the fun
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: they're having, Like Francona has always had these teams that
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: were like high energy. Like Franconia never seemed to have
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: the high energy, right, he just was like stoic and
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: just kind of the guy there, like the pulling up
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: the pump master, pulling the strings there. But like I
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: do feel like this Red team like needs is somebody
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: that just had a presence kind of kind of get
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: the most out of them and just set them on
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: the path and let them loose at the right time.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: And that feels like Francona's model. So I do think
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: that this is good. I don't is it worth five
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: wins ten months, I don't know, but I do think
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: it is going to be impactful and it does make
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: me a little more intrigued into what the Reds can
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: do beyond what talent that they already had. So I
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: am surprised, like that to your point that this one,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: like I just didn't see coming came out of left field.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: You know, when he took time off for health issues,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: I was sitting here going like, you know, did he
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: move to you know, Ohio and decide to decide to
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: try things out. Nope, he lives in Arizona. He's out
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: in Tucson. So it's like maybe, you know, maybe the
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: health came back together, and it sounds like, you know,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: he just he couldn't step away from the game. Just
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: that itch. It's it's there, it needs to be scratched.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: And Francona loves what he does, loves loves the game,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: and you know, I think he's gonna probably be around
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: for a few more years. But man, see he's getting
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: up there. He's I think sixty five, so he's probably
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: got a few few years left. And that's what just
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: what the Reds need.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an incredible pull for them, and especially given
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: that young roster. I think it's going to be a
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: really significant hire to be able to just round that
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: team out. That it will be I think a big
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: booster confidence for Cincinnati Reds fans out there going in
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: next year. Okay, next piece of news on the other
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: end of the spectrum from the manager side that the
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Colorado Rockies extended Bud Black for another year, so they
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: didn't even have to do this. He was a free
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: agent and he could have just walked. But Bud Black
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and the Colorado Rockies cannot be separated. He joined them
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen and has gone six hundred and forty
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: nine and seven hundred and thirteen. That's a four to
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: seventy seven winning percentage. It's actually kind of impressive considering
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: how bad they've been the past few years. Actually I
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: got that wrong. That's what he was with the Padres.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: He has been five hundred and thirty seven and six
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: fifty seven with the Rockies. That's a four to fifty
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: winning percentage. That makes more sense. And it's just in intriguing.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: I think hallmarker, like uh, just lyne in the sand
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: to see that, like the Rockies are not changing, Like
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: it's kind of incredible the way that they've been able
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: to run this franchise and just kind of continue plotting
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: along and think that what they're doing is working and
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: will pull them out of whatever tail spin they're in.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: And I mean, obviously they're making plenty of money. It's
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: a great ballpark. Fans still show up, but at some
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: point that gravy train's got to stop. And you would
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: think that the Rockies would just kind of want to
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: win as well. Like I can't imagine being in that
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: organization just kind of always having the crap kicked out
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: of you. But what do you think but Black can
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: maybe do with the Rockies last year, or do you
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: think that there's another side to this that you know,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: this remotivates the Rockies to win, win for the Gipper
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: in twenty five.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I I don't see that. I don't
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: see them, you know, really just taking off. I kind
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: of look at it is a bridge year for the Rockies,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: like they've had, they had some good things happening this year,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: they have, you know, glimpses of hope. And I think
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: that the Rockies, I don't I don't really want to
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: say there's a big strategy behind this. The Rockies is
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: just always kind of been a team has kind of
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: just floated around out there. But I look at it
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: as another year of a veteran manager trying to kind
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: of get a little bit more out of the young guys,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: and that at some point the Rocky is going to
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: look to try to breach five hundred and then make
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: a leap and do something different Like I So, I
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: see it just as the Bridge years, they're still trying
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: to kind of sculpt some of that young talent like
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Tovar and guys like that out there that that should
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: be coming into their own and do need that veteran presence.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: So I look at it just to like a, Hey,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: we a lot of other things going on, but Black's
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: not the issue. Uh. We got to address the rest
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: of the organ structure and strategy. Uh, So let's keep
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: something that we know is a consistent, reliable guy at
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: the help and move on and address other issues.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, as a Waiver Wire writer, I just uh,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: there's nothing better than tracking the Rockies to be able
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: to leverage it for content. So I'm pumped for this.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: And also I'm sure that Carrie Ca out there, who's
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: right in our blurb Stumps, is also very pumped that
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: the Colorade Rockies are the gift that keep on given.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I love them.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: They Oh, they absolutely are.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's move on to some card news.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: So we do have a few things that have come through,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: and last week we were trying to leverage some of
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: the SEO platforms out there that are harvesting all the
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: data from this podcast and putting it into AI models.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: By talking about Paul Skins and Livvy Dunn with the
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: player at the month PC, I'm doing it again because
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: it was Livvy Dunn's birthday I think last Thursday, so
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: we didn't curse the birthday because it does look like
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Paul Skins came through with a great gift that she
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: seemed to enjoy and especially like, yeah, if TOPS is
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: gonna leverage this for views and clicks and likes, I'm
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: going to as well on this podcast. But Paul Skin
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: gifted Livvy done a baseball card actually of her and
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: their dog together that you can actually do this through
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: TOPS you can get custom cards from them, and so
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: that's obviously what Paul Stein's has done here. Also maybe
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: like low key, like Livvy not that grave of a
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: gift because like he's got to deal with TOPS, Like
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he just called up like whoever drops off
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: all those cards that need to be signed at his
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: place and was like, Yo, can you hook me up
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: with one of these cards? I guess a little bit
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: of thought went into it, though, like he had to
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: seek out the photo and make sure that he got
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: all the details on the back right. But have you
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: ever gotten a custom card or have you seen somebody
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: that's gotten a custom card for Tops? And what do
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: you want to say about Livvy Done and Paul Skans
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: to also just add into this full SEO leverage and scraping.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the only custom cards that I have
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: is my son's like first grade baseball team and probably
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: one of me sitting around somewhere too. I have to admit,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: like you you know those uh we're all the rage
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: back in the day. But it's it's an interesting play,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: and it does show that TOPS is kind of watching
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: what's going on social media and to a frank, they're
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: a little money grab here and there, like just publicity
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: trying to make things happen. So I think they're they're
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: leading into Paul skeins and and Lovey Dunn here are
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: going to be a topic for years to come, you know,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: And I think that's that's fine. That's that's good for baseball,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: it's good for card collecting. It'll be interesting to see
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: if there's like Livy Dunn inserts and Alan Ginter, uh,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: things like that. Wouldn't be shocked with it.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: You gotta be one at one some point, right.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to think that that's that's definitely gonna
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: be the case. So I'm I'm all for it. I
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: think it's fun. Uh And it could be, you know,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: the next version of Justin Verlander and Kate Upton or
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: something like that, you know, Baseball's first couple, whatever you
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: want to call it. So it'll be interesting to see
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: if Tops capitalizes further on this pairing.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, and I think they will. So we do
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: have Allen Ginter coming out soon at the end of
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: the month. So I also wanted to bring up this
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Paul Schiens news because obviously he's going to be featured
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: in Top Update, which we'll be dropping just next week
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: on October sixteenth, So certainly next week we're going to
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: have a huge overview of that set. But you will
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: be able to get that in stores starting on Wednesday
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: to sixteenth, and I mean we'll be seeing people breaking
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: that I think all weekend as people are really getting
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: pumped for Tops Update, and the Rookie list is outstanding,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: maybe one of the best kind of checklists that Tops
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: has rolled out in any product, especially flagship product, in
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: a few years. That like it since maybe like the
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: O tani Ish year, so it's it's gonna be a
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: huge product. There's gonna be lots going into it, and
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: so we'll have that overview to help you sort through
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: what to buy and maybe what to avoid out in
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: the market. But we also had a few other calendar,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: a few other releases added to the calendar, as this
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: is really the prime baseball season, getting into the holiday season,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: especially as you know things are kicking up as you know,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: we're digging through cards and putting them on e Bay
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: and others are as well. That today on October ninth,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: we had Bowman Sterling come out. They the surprise release
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: of TOPS Cosmic Chrome is happening on Friday ten eleven.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: So that's a hugely popular one and it's kind of
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: up to a sh old stick. I love it. It's
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: beautiful that like, it's certainly something I love picking up
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: PC singles of and just looking at the cards. They're
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: fantastic pieces of art, I think, Like I said, Tops
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: update next week on the sixteenth. We got Allen and
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Ginter on the thirtieth, and then they also announced this
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: week Top Stadium Club coming back on November sixth, I'm
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: warming up to the design, but it's Top Stadium Club.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I'm obviously gonna love it all the time. But I'm
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: guessing that's probably what you're most excited for. But what
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: really stands out to you with this kind of next
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: week of baseball card releases? And are you already looking
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: through your bank account to see how many boxes you
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: can afford?
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a challenge here because I outside of Sterling,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: which I actually enjoy Sterling generally, maybe the secondary market
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: maybe not from a ripping perspective, but every one of
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: those there's like a reason to go after, there's a
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: reason to be excited about Cosmic. It is just such
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: such an interesting news set that to your point, it
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: has some great designs, great art update this year, it
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: does feel like this is gonna be one of those
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: like tops update where you look back three or four
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: years ago and be like, my goodness, that was loaded.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Like it does feel like it's absolutely gonna be a
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: loaded product. And I know we'll we'll we'll dig into
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: that in an upcoming podcast. Alan Giner like just always fun.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: There's something about that that set that it's just the
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: eclectic nature of that. And then Stadium Club like it's
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: it is Stadium Club. It's well, that's that's a beauty
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: of a set. And every year it seems like it's
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: just keeps hitting. It does, it does its thing, and
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: again I think this is gonna be another strong year
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: for it with all the rookies gonna be in there,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: all the short prints, unique variations that you'll see. So
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: I if you, if you have to ask me right now,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: I think it Tops updates where I'm gonna spend my time.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: I just I think it's gonna be just such a fantastic,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: uh fantastic product this year. Otherwise, uh, you know, Stadium
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Stadium is the way to go. If if you're forcing
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: my hand, but I think my my pod it's going
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: to be emptied on on update. I'll probably rip a little,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: but mostly chase on the secondary just because man prices
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: are still rough.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, you're not the only one that's an
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: on TOPS update. I did just look up the Allen
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: and Ginter checklist. Livy Dunn is not on it. She's
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: not included as like one of this that's a miss. Yeah, exactly.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: You gotta think it's coming at some point or maybe
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: like a dual Paul schemes, Livvy Dune like Auto or something,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: but Auto relic like, oh yeah, that could get messy
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: real fast too. So maybe that's a little bit of
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: like with the path that they're trying to work through
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: at Tops, but that is I'm yeah, I'm looking forward
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: to Allen and Ginter that it is fun. It's got
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of cool short prints, and but Tops Team
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Club absolutely, that's where it's at that I saw they're
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: going back to I think the ninety three Beam Team design,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: but like the Beam Team that design that they're using
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: from Stadium Club this year is just like right up our,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: It's just like the most classic Beam Team design you
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: could ever imagine.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it. It's gonna be a fun,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: fun next month of ripping.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: All right. Well, yeah, with that, you can look at
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: some of those links in the show notes. But we're
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: gonna take a small break and come back with retrospective
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: on some of our preseason picks at rasball dot com.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: So stick around, all right, Welcome back, everybody. So we
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: are going to get into some retrospective analysis on some
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: awful picks maybe we made, but we hit on some.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: It is really hard making picks, I would say from
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: like a preseason perspective, just especially given how much of
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: fantasy baseball is I've found out over the years is
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: you can lose the season at the draft table, but
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: you can't win it at the draft table. So I
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: don't think that we necessarily had any of these that
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: would have lost you your league, especially because we're talking
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: about fantasy analysis. We were really digging deep to try
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: to find players that can just help those teams out there,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: and usually towards the back ends of drafts or middle
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: tier players that stood out for us. So I will
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: link to it in the show notes. But back in March,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: we made these picks, and we made Rookie of the
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Year MVP, and Cy Young for each league across the staff,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: as well as more fantasy related ones in terms of
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: a sleeper, a bust, infatuation, a comeback, a most Valuable
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Fantasy player, most Valuable Fantasy hitter, or the Valuable Fantasy
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: pitcher because it's the FP that is a mouseful. Yeah,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: couldn't we just say like yeah, yeah, yeah, best Fantasy
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: pitcher like or yeah, and so what those were especially
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: going for is because I think, honestly, like we even
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: have to explain this to ourselves when we're making these
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: picks before the season. The sleeper and bust are different
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: from that most valuable Fantasy pitcher and hitter because, uh,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: sleepers we're looking for are guys who just are really
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: underdrafted in lots of leagues, are maybe even totally undrafted.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: As opposed to those most valuable Fantasy pitcher and hitter.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: What we were looking for are players that you know
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: obviously like if you're drafted in the first or second round,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: those are your true gems. But these are the guys
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: that helped carry you through and win leagues because they
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: are your Brent Rooker for example, where you drafted them
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: in the middle tiers and they ended up being a
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: first round player. That they were guys that we were
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: targeting as a group to look and kind of gain
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: multiple rounds of value for us. And so yeah, with that,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: I think it's just good to kind of also rehash
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: what we were thinking at being of the season, see
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: if there's any strategy changes that we've gone through in
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four and how we might approach things in
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: going into twenty twenty five, or you know, what these
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: picks might have told us about how their seasons went,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: and maybe you know other week spots and where we
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: evaluate or strong spots. So like I said, we've we
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: made MVP Rookie of the Year, say Young votes. You
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: can look at those. Some people hit them, but they're
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: really hard because it is just a war of attrition.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Partly that you know, pretty much everybody picks Spencer Strider
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: and Ronald Lacunia Junior, so you can check that out.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: I will tooot my own horn for my Jackson Merrill
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year in the in the National League.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Pick that that was the only one and you nailed
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: on the other hand, No.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: No, nothing, okay, Yeah, somebody I didn't nail anything I did.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: I did, okay, except for my pictures. Got all got
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: hurt in the first two weeks of the season.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah they did. Yeah, Spencer Strid and Shane Bieber. I
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: will say Lineup Builder nailed Aaron Judge. He was the
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: only one with Aaron Judge in the al MVP and
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: anybody else. I don't think anybody got either of this.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: So nobody got an Elsy Young because Chris Taal came
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: out nowhere. A couple handful of people got toak Schooble,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: so that was jkj latchkey kid Laura did and so
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: just the three of them got the al Cy Young
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year in the al nobody got that's
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: actually somebody nailed it on the sleeper. Be Don nailed
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Colton Kowser for his sleeper, but nobody had Colton Kowsard,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: who's probably gonna win that award for Rookie of the
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Year and MVP. And we had a handful of people
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: that went with Otani that that wasn't totally out of
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: the blue. But I do think also in when we
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: get into these fantasy picks, we will make our favorite
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: pick of like who had the best pick. I know
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: we are Rasball and like usually we ras on people
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: a little bit, but I figured it'd be a little
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: bit mean to call people out. And we also represent
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: the Midwest division of Rasball, so we can't get mean
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: around here. That's really against our nature. And this I
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: think our heads mind exploded if we tried to do that.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we can do. We're the ones that wait if
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: people buy at the stop side, so the four way stops,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: like we gotta be nice midless nice.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, so the sleepers, we will start there, and
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: I think you nailed yours. So you had Carry Carpenter
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: as your sleeper. I mean part of it is he
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: didn't get a full season in, but I mean I
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: think if you're looking for those skills to really come together,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Carry Carpenter showed it this year. And mine was later
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: to Varis, which not necessarily the biggest hit but returned
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: flat value in a twelve teamer and a fifteen teamer
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: was worth Let me pull that up because that is
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: a especially where I was looking at him. I had him,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: I took him in TGFBI, but didn't hold him for
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: too long. He was worth four bucks there in a
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: fifteen teamer. So it came around for Laoti ta Varis eventually.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: But yeah, what led you to picking Carry Carpenter at
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the season, And how do you evaluate
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: yourself here on this sleeper?
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Carry Carpenter just you know, he's been
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: a guy that just has quality of contact and he
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: had like that basically you know, cleanup spot locked down
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: for Detroit. Like it's as simple as that. And it's
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: like we almost at about Brent Rooker's kind of the
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: same thing. Like not the highlight team, but a guy
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: that just seems to hit the ball hard and just
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: can have a little growth. He's a young guy, and
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: so that's really what it came down to, is that
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: you know, can can we seal a growth? And we did,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: like he did only get eighty games. But I'm not
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: an expert at math here, but you know, when you
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: double his what he did, you know it was a
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: thirty homer on hundred RBI type pace season WRC plus
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: one fifty six, like somewhere in the range of that.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: But it was a great season for him. But because
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: he missed time, I think that the discounts still there.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: I think it's still gonna be another potential breakout year
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: number two. Sleeper at number two, I think it's I
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: don't know if the definition between sleeper breakout, but I
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: kind of see more on the breakout now because he's
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: he definitely should be on radars if he wasn't already.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: So I don't think it's changing anything for how I
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: look at him next year. And really it's I keep
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: looking at the sleeper guys, that's just the guy that
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: just needs the break, needs a little the time, and
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: just has that really high quality of contact. That's kind
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: of guy I'm looking for in any sleeper. Don't give
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: me the guy that needs to figure out a strikeout problem.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Don't give me the guy that needs to change the
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: launch angle. Give me the guy that hits the ball
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: really really well, really well to all fields and in
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: the great spot in the lineup. That's that's gonna come
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: through more times than that. Yeah.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a great call. And I mean,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: I think using that for evaluating sleepers is right where
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: you're at too, in terms of like going in twenty five,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I think that's kind of a sound strategy and kind
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: of mindset as well. So with Lao Tavaris, I know
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like the biggest hit. It was a slight hit,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: I would say, in terms of sleeper. I was hoping
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: that he would be able to return more twelveteen value,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: and part of it is, like what I was really
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: into about Tavares was the speed. So in twenty twenty
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: three he had swiped fourteen bags and that's where he
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: picked up a lot of the value here in twenty
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: twenty four with twenty three bags, but a lot of
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: it too is you know, he was lined up to
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: play center field every day for the Texas Rangers of
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: solid fielders, so he stays on the field even if
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: he's at the bottom of the lineup. It kind of
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: what I liked about Tavares coming into the season is
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: that like you were buying him at that floor price
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: already in any kind of ceiling that he gave you
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: the you know, those extra stolen bases were totally gravy.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I just kind of I think the overall strategy was,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: you know, valid overall. I just kind of slightly missed that.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: I wish I could have done like Breton Doyle with
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: this at the beginning of the season. You know, that's
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: the type of player where I'm looking at, you know,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: plays a solid up the middle infield, up up the
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: middle spot either you know, middle infield, center field. We'll
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: actually get into this that my infatuation I think is
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: also part of this kind of strategy and ended up hitting.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: But somebody who will play every day and is cheap
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: cheap price, and if you're in a deep, deep league,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: somebody that you can throw into like your last large
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: starting spot, your first guy off the bench. That these
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: guys just return value because they're athletic and in today's game,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: they don't need to hit more than two twenty nine,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: like layouted to various to be able to return positive value.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right, Like that's there's a
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: lot more value and these really good, I would say,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: fringe athletic guys than they're used to be. And uh,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: as long as you're not paying paying up for him,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: that's where it's okay. And I think, uh, the go
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: the other way, and that's where it gets dangerous is
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: if you start to project more on there. So I
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: think you're always gonna have an interesting sleeper pick if
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: you look at the speedy, talented guy and a good team. Uh,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: there's gonna you know, it's not gonna be too hard
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: to eke that value out.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree. Who are you gonna pick from
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: our squad of writers that had the best sleeper pick
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: in your mind?
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Oh this this this is tough. But I think, you know,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: not trying to be a homer here to our editor,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: But I think I have to go with trust with
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Colt Keith. I think that one, uh you know, was
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: probably the best one. Beat on. I get Cowser. I
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: just I've i've cooled on Cowser a little bit. I
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: just don't know that that's gonna stick around as much
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: as it could, even though he has the volume there,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: and so I'm gonna give us a trust on the
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Colt Keith, I think that was a really great, great pick.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: I think there's a few other better players, but not
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: ones that were cheap. As cheap as you can get
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: them and return the value, and they did. Like Josh
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Naylor on there, you just had to pay up for him,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: and he did deliver on that value, But I don't
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: think it was as big of a leap as what
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: you saw with like a guy like Colt Keith. So
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: how about you, who are you going to pick as
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: far as who made the best call come into the season.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think those are solid. I think the one
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: that also stands out to me is the great knoc
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: I actually don't know how to pronounce that. I'm only
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: it's some one of those things where I've only read it,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: so sorry out there if I mispronounced it. But with
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Jose Caballero, a great pick, you know, pulled in three
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: or four dollars of value in a twelve teamer and
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: was really huge for steals and me was able to
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: cover lots of different positions, and if you had him
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: in a league, I'm sure he saved you in plenty
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: of spots. Okay, well, let's move on to the bust,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: where I think we both nailed our players here pretty well.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: So you picked Nico Horner and I picked Nick Pavetta,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: So I was just looking up. Nick Pivetta returned two
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: dollars of value in our player raider, which is not
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: where you were picking him early in the season. He
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: probably would have costed you somewhere in the mid teens,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: and Nico Horner returned eleven dollars of value, but certainly
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: in draft rooms was going more in like the twenty
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: ish dollars range. So I think these are both hits,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: and I will I mean, you can almost rewind back
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: to the beginning of the year when we both had
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: these as our bus I think when we did the
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Cubs and Red Sox previews. But explain to me what
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: you didn't like about Nico Horner and are you going
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: to be carrying that forward going into twenty five.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm definitely caring it forward. No change here, and
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: it all stemmed around the market value for Nico Horner.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Nico Horner is a good baseball player, don't get me wrong,
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: But his whole game was based on the rum production
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: like scoring runs and steals, and the power profile just
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: was there. And I think people were paying for like
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: this young up and coming bath that was going to
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: bring more than just the steals. And he did go
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: so far out of bounds on that. You know, previous
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: year twenty three on steals, you know, he had over
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: forty steals, and so to be able to do that
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: again was gonna take another kind of career year from him,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: and he just didn't quite do that. He didn't have
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: a bad year relative you know, twenty four to twenty three,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: took step back in home runs by two, hit seven,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: he took a step back in twelve and steals thirty one,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: and so he was a valuable player to your point.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: But for whatever reason at the draft table, like people
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: were paying for him, Like if you just looked at
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: like the like prayer your stats or even some of
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: the projections for Nico horn or people were paying for
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: him like he was a twenty thirty guy. Like I
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: don't understand what it was. And you you couldn't see
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: it in the numbers, and I remember I got this
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: stripped a few times in my rankings of you're terrible?
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Why are you Nico Horne, Like it's just not there,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: Like it's there's nothing more to cut for Nico Horner
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: because he's a one dimensional guy. You're paying for Leonti
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Taveras at twenty bucks, Like, it's just not there. So
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: and he does nothing to change my opinion this year
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: because he was Nico Horner. So I don't think this
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: was out of the limb. It's just Nico Horner. If
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: he does what Nico Horner does is not could be
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: worth what people think he is. So to me, that
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: was just a no brainer. But maybe I'm a little foolish.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: So how about you, how are you feeling about your
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Nick Povetta pick. You gotta be feeling pretty good.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah. I mean he did return positive value and
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: like he put up plenty of strikeouts for you throughout
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: the season. But boy, did that era really grind this year.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: You know, it was a negative value of e Ray
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: in terms of negative point four and a lot of
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: he was just a negative return in wins too when
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: you were taking him as a starting pitcher. It's a
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: lot of like what I was talking about in the preseason.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: He does well in short bursts, and that doesn't put
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: him in line for wins. It allows him to give
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: up a lot of homers. I think when especially he's
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: giving through that like late second and third time through
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: the order, that he's never going to go deep in games.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: So he's really tough in a five y five roto
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: league or even a quality starts league where you're trying
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: to look for a little bit of length out of
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: you're starting pitcher. That I think lots of people were
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: viewing him as a possible kind of like number fantasy
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: number two, and I just can never get there. And
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: especially when you're in finn My Park for half your games,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: it's not a great profile. I love the stuff metrics,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: and I think he will always have his fans out
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: there because of that. He really pops when you're ever
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: comparing like spin rates and strikeout rates and all that
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But he just is not a real
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: good life pitcher, and so I think that's a big
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: factor of it, of like, because he's not gonna stick
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: around and get those wins. He's just tough for fantasy.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right, Like he's there, he's a
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: he's a dreamer, he's a guy you can dream on,
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: a guy you can reject. And it just doesn't come
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: together for more than a few starts at a time.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: But those two starts are so tempting. It's kind of
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: like Blake Snell, but Blake's not actually figured it out,
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: or Blake Snell just puts all the bad.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Ones together and all the good ones together. So yes, okay,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: who is your favorite bust pick out of all of
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: our writers.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm and this one's gonna sound a little fun,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: but I'm gonna go with a bunch of singles in
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: his Yoshinobu Yamamoto pick, just because if you if you
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: looked at all of our picks for Rookie of the Year,
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: like Yamamoto like had the slate for the most part
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: in the NL, and I think it took a lot,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: a lot of goll to go out and say he's
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: not gonna be what everybody thinks he is. And like
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: he was getting drafted in that top like five ten
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: pitchers like regularly and he just hit his body just
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: didn't hold up. I know it's an inch reout because
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: he had a pretty good, pretty good win loss record,
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: really good at e RA like good strikers, Like he
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: was really good when he pitched, which like sounds like
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: the motto of all Dodgers pitchers, uh kersh Glass now
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: you know Moto, like they're really good when they pitch.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: And so I think it just he went so far
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: against where everybody else was going. There's some other good
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: picks here, but I really like that when I appreciate
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: the the going on on the limb when not just
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: for people saying that he's gonna be good, they're like
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: that he's gonna be the NL Rookie of the year.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: I think he's gonna be a bust. And yeah, like
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: you can argue with one or the other, but he
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: definitely wasn't you know it isn't the rookie of the year.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, my pick is honestly yours was really good.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: With Niko Horner, I think I have to go with
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: the real Joey Bart with Adlei Ritchman, who was being
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: drafted as the number one overall catcher and only turned
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: in eleven dollars of value on our Player Raider when
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: he's being drafted more in like the twenty twenty five ish,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: you know, dollar range, and that was seventh overall on catchers,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: and I think part of it is, like it's just
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: a good call out of like the reason that J. T.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Rail Muto like used to get drafted really high as
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: a catcher is because he gave you those stolen bases
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: when no other catcher would. Until there is like another
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: unicorn like that, I just don't ever see myself kind
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: of shopping at that upper tier of catchers because they
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: get banged up and they you just they're very unpredictable.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: The range of outcomes can be so wide on them.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: And that's what happened to Ruschmand this year. You know,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: he hurt himself and played through it, and it's just
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: a tough spot to be if you're gonna, you know,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: invest a really high draft pick on him. He was
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: going in the NFBC draft data around pick forty six
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: so well in the third round, like third fourth round.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: So that is a hard pill to swallow when you
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: just kind of got to eat all that rougher production
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: than when you were expecting.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll talk about Retchmond a little bit later in
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: one of my picks. So I'll hold judgment for now,
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: because I have a little different outlook on adly than
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: you do. I not say that you're wrong. I just
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: think there might be a market opportunity here, gotcha.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's move on to our infatuation, where again
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: I think we had two pretty good hits. So infatuations
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: also a little bit tough to describe, or you know,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: mostly I think these are guys that we were acquiring
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: in most of our teams. Like I ended up with
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: tons of shares of my guy, and I think you
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: did too, just because we love the value that they
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: were giving us in drafts and what they were doing
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: in the market. So mine was Ezekiel Tovar shortstop for
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: the Rockies, and yours was the venerable Sonny Gray, who
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: we never stopped talking about. So I'll give you another
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: platform to talk about what you loved about Sonny Gray.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: And I already know what you're doing with them for
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: twenty five, but let everybody else know how much you
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: love them going to twenty five as well.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Yep, love fest for Sonny Gray over here at the
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Brewer Households, and it will continue, strikeouts, up, walks, down,
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: ground balls exactly where we want to see them at
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: a mid forties clip. You know, there's a little question
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: to see where he lands next year if the Cardinals
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: don't hold on to him. But regardless where he's at,
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm all in. Really, what comes down to is
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: the market doesn't necessarily believe in Sunny Gray for some reason.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: He's not a flashyist. He's not doing everything outside of
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: you know, like a Lake Snell esque where he just
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: is dominant for one start and then blows up on another.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: It's just Sunny Grage is always really solid, and you
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: know he actually was a little i'd say unlucky this
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: year from an ear a perspective. You know, his his
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: flip was three point one two, his ex fip was
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: two point eight nine. He had a three point eight
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: four e ra A. But if you look at the
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: underlying metrics, like we just talked about Yeam Moto, like
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: he looks as good, if not better than Yeah Moto
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: eleven k for nine to walk for nine. Like I
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: said earlier, the luck metrics a little bit left on
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: base perspective, but got the ground balls. Actually was a
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: little unlucky with the home run for five balls. So
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: like I just meant he's a workhorse. He's gonna keep
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: doing it, and it is so hard these these days
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: to find those workhorses. And I know he did. He
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: only got one hundred and sixty six innings, but he did,
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: you know, really bring in he got twenty eight games.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: He just they showed him down a little early, so
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: we lost a few starts. So I love Sonny Gray.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: I think it's hard to not love Sonny Gray. But
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: yet it doesn't seem like everybody will so be on
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: my team's again next year. He is my Jordan Zimmermann
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: from about a decade back, and I'm gonna ride the
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: Sunny Gray train as long as it takes.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's a great call that, Like,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: I think people are scared away by that age and
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: all of them, all of the projections still don't pick
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: up like those New York Yankees years correctly, I think
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: when they're projecting him going forward, and that really skews
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: what I think his projection should be. So there's always
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: a little bit of arbitrage there to be able to
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: invest in. Okay, well, I'm gonna talk about my boy,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Ezekiel Tovar because he was a huge hit. He was
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: going around like round fifteen sixteen in twelve teamers for
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: an FBC data and came in clocked in with seventeen
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: dollars of value in our player Raider, which placed him
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: in the mid sixties, made him like a fifth sixth
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: round pick. And this kind of goes back to what
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: I was talking about with like Later Savers and Brenton
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: Doyle that Tivar is just a superb athlete. He's never
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: gonna not be playing shortstop for the Rockies as long
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: as the Rockies have him. So he's playing half of
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: his games in Couer's field and hitting towards the top
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: of that lineup. He's also starting to enter this territory
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: where or a lot of the reason I was into
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: Tovar before the season is that, like it reminded me
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: a little bit of like a Yadier Molina path, where
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: you just play so much and get so many reps
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: as a baseball player, eventually you've become a slightly better hitter.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: And so that happened this year for Tovar. He rounded
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: into a ninety five WRC plus hitter. It pops mid
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: twenties homers for you, you know, he popped twenty six
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: homers put up eighty three runs. It was a fantastic
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: year and he I think it's just the beginning. He's
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: only twenty three and will continue just being like a
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: franchise cornerstone for the Rockies. He is signed with him
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: through twenty thirty one, is when they have a club
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: option on him, so I have for fewing they'll pick
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: that up. So a great target for Dynasty Leagues two
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: because I will readily admit Tovar has an awful profile
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: and an awful played approach. He swings at everything. He
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: strikes out a ton, but he squares the ball up
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: decently and it's a lot like I said, Yadi Molina
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: was exactly like this too, where he's such a guest hitter.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: I think is part of it that, like he's flailing
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: a lot to bar when he's at the plate, but
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: when he gets the hang of it, he does put
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: good contact on it, and so I think it's just
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: going to continue to work. And even though you know
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: those swing percentages are never gonna look good, as long
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: as he says he's in Koor's field and has that
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: just kind of generous outfield to hit towards. I think
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: he's a great pick, and honestly, I would even expect
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: maybe some speed to pop back for Tobar that. I
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: think there's mercedole and basis in this profile, and I
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: think this might be a career high in Homer's But
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: I think twenty is right where you can pencil him
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: in for every year.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. Like I was a little
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: surprised to see the power and not the speed this year.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: I thought I was gonna go the way around. But
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: he's he's a to your point, he's a good hitter,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: I think, like I'm sure it's tough to judge him,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: but it just seems like he is a good athlete
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: and he's just gonna get the most out of the talent.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: And he came up so young, so young that he's
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: still growing. It's like he's he's in the minor leagues
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: for well with not the most rockies. Maybe he is,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: but you know, I think there's more more growth to come.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: So I I think you you nailed it on Tovara.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: You've been You've been in on him for a while,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: and I think that was a A is a great pick.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you, So who was your favorite infatuation? Pick
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: out of the writers. Like I said, it's a little
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: hard to judge, but like, who do you think probably
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: paid off the most handsomely out of the infatuation picks.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: Well, that's that's a hard to your point, it's very hard.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: We had an Otani infatuation pick that one probably paid
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: off the best.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: Honestly, that was gonna be my talking point with Blair
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: picking Otani because honestly, like we should have not been
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: taking Otani at the back of the first round, early
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: second round where he was falling some places. In hindsight,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: I can say that, like back in draft season, because
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: I a lot of like what would have pushed me
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: from like third fourth place on teams to first place
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: would have been taking Otani instead of Freeman. Especially. I
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: took a lot of Freeman shares in first rounds because
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: I was thinking, you know, Freddy Freeman is a set
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: and forget it, like three twenty hitter even if I
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: only get like twenty five homers and fifteen stone bases,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: it's solid and like the average is so huge. Otani
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: just like the ceiling was so high and I never
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: should have been doubting him, but I was because of
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: the Tommy John Surgery the new team, and I think
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: he just continually shows that you can throw out all
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: of your preconceived notions of evaluating fantasy baseball players. That
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: Otani is just gonna seemingly blow it out of the
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: water until he I just don't know when he's ever
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: going to prove us wrong, you know.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I didn't want to pick Otani here,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: but I don't know how you don't. And so there's
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: a lot of other interesting picks. But yeah, I think
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: that's the way to go when you're right, Like, go Tani. Man,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be fun to watch. It's gonna be fun
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: to watch, Like we're just at the beginning here. Uh,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I who knows what this guy's gonna do.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree. I can tell you that for
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: our comeback player, we will not be picking Blair's comeback player,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: which was Poplo Sandobal. Remember that Deever dream when he
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: was in camp for the Giants in the year.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: Let's just let's just let's kick off the comebacks with
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: that was rough as a group, the ras ball Riders,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: there's a few okay ones in there, but like I
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: think an average pick might win this time. Around because
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: everybody else else was was quite a bit off, and
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: even a few the comebacks, I'm like, I don't know,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: like because of where the dirafts were going. We'll get
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: into it a second here once after we talk about ours,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: I would rather not not talk about mine.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I'm gonna say this is probably our biggest
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: l's out of all the picks, as my comeback player
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: was Anthony Rizzo and yours was Mitch Hanniger. And I'm
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: not even gonna look it up in the player raider.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: They're probably like so negative, I can't even find it.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: But the seasons were rough, and so what were you
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: drawn two about Mitch Hanniger at the beginning of the
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: season and like, what are you re evaluating now?
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: I was waiting for you go and what heck were
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: you thinking? Yes, this is one of is lean on
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: the edge of the infatuation for me is that Mitch
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: Hanniger has whenever he's played, he's been a good player.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: And I really saw this, like until this year, I
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: really saw this move back to Seattle of like comfort,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: and he was a little off in San Francisco, just
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: seemed to be hurt, seemed to not do things, And
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: I just saw this come back to Seattle'll be like,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: let's come home and let's be healthy, and let's just
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: go hit thirty bombs, knocking a one hundred, like, let's
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: just get back to twenty twenty one, Mitch Hanniger. And
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: it couldn't have been further and further from the truth.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, we were pretty much we were worse than
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: while we were in San Francisco. Granted that the Sale
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: team was pretty pretty really rough at from any perspective
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: in general. So mittch Schanager, love you, use you many times.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: This was an complete l I will have to pass
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: the next time around on Mitchanniger. I think I learned
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: my lesson.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, I found it in the player right negative twelve.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: My Anthony Rizzo beat you though negative fourteen. So a
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: lot of it is volume related, though because Rizzo was
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: banged up again this year. I think what I have
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: learned is especially looking in these comebacks, do not count
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: on mid thirty year olds. For these comebacks that like,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: try to find somebody with more of like you know,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: sordid injury history, or you know, an injury that is
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: not necessarily like a recurring one or soft tissue one
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: maybe and try to go that route or like a
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: new landing spot, because I mean, I guess you went
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: with that a little bit with Hanniger trying to move
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: on from San Francisco to Seattle and trying to rekindle
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: what he had found previously there. But with Rizzo is
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: kind of like a retread of last year. And I
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: was hoping that the concussion symptoms he suffered last year
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: would dissipate. But both of us, Yeah, Hanniger was it's
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: this thirty three, age thirty three season that he went through.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: Rizzo is his age thirty four. So I think especially
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: that's my learning lesson going into this for next year
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: is like, do not count on those types of you know,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: early to mid thirty year olds to find something new
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: unless there is like a specific piece of news I
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: can point to and or like a specific change in
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: their approach or a team change, something that is really
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: driving that that isn't just like, oh, I think he's
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: you know, he's thirty four and he was banged up
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: last year. I think he'll come back because it just
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: doesn't seem to happen. And I think that kind of
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: showed through our staff picks as well.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And you know, as I look at the
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: staff picks, like there's a decent number of O'Neil Cruz,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: and I'm not going to give the folks the win
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: on that one because Cruz, even though like yeah he
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: was hurt, like the helium he had, like almost discounted
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: that for me. Like to me, like it's this is
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: like the discussion, is the MVP the best hitter, the
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: one that helps the most, right, Like CRUs clearly had
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: a good comeback year. He is a twenty twenty guy. Like,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: but from a fantasy perspective, you kind of were pricing
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: that in And so you know, for me going through
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: the list again, we're taking like the best pick. Here's
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: an average pick. I'm giving this to Keelan with any
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: pas I know. Yeah, I'm a vinny guy. Loved the
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: guy and you know he did he was hurt some
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: this year, but when he played, he was exactly what
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: you expected. If he could have had a full season,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: he we'd be talking about him much more than we
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: have been. So I really like Kielyn's pick there. I
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised if Kielan went there again next year
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: because you can still argue because some of the injuries
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: that Vinnie had that he could make a bigger comeback
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: next year. I'll probably throw more than sleeper category. But
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: that's that's not totally out of balance. But I don't know,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: the pickings are thin. Where are you going on this one?
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a great call. The other person
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: I was considering was cool with with the Tyler O'Neal pick.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: I think both of them are a little bit more
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: into what I was trying to say of like, that's
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: the route I think to go for your comeback players,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: or to like count on comebacks from our guys who
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: have been integered. Although I mean I was scared of
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: Tyro O'Neal and his hammis and even those acted up
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: a little bit this year. But change of scenery, better ballpark, Vinnie,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: you know, coming back from that shoulder injury again scary,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: but you know, who knows how long he was he
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: was battling that again, great ballpark, great team kind of
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: coming up around him. That Like, that's I think why
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: those two picks worked out really well.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think you're right. So we need
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: to reevaluate our comeback player of the Euro criteria going
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: into next year. Yes, we'll make a comeback on the comeback.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, pick ourselves. Yes, Okay. For most Valuable Fantasy Pitcher,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: you ended up having Hunter Brown, which I think is
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: a big w that especially if you kind of toss
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: out that beginning of the season, which I know you
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: can say that with like a lot of players like, oh,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: just toss out this bad stretch. But he did make
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: a demonstrative change and was just electric down the stretch.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: Great pick, And for me, I had Sean Manayah, so
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: I think that's also a win in terms of where
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: you were drafting Sean Manya coming into the season and
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: had one of the best second halves of any pitcher
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: in the league. So I'll let you kick it off.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: What did you like about Hunter Brown coming into the
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: season and like what types of pieces are you going
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: to carry from that going forward?
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean coming to the season under Brown, like
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: he he ticked all the boxes that I look for,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: And I mean it's it's that profile. It's a decent control,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: you know, gets a kper per inning and has a
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: high ground ball rate, Like that's that's the guy I
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: look for. And then also he actually had some pretty
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: significant velocity, and his stuff looked like if you'd looked
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: at some of the comps and the stuff, it was
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: really really strong, like we were talking like Verlanders, you know,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: Sureser type like comps, like he he was just standing
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: out like no other when you started to look at
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: kind of his profile in the actual pitch mix that
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: he had and to your point, like he came out
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: of the gate real rough, real rough. He had a
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: few few bad games, but from May first on, like
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: you said, like I'm stretched like it was, it was
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: just like get rid of really April. And from May
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: first on he had one hundred and forty seven eights
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: on eleven and five with a two fifty one ear,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: a one hundred and fifty five strikeouts, and one hundred
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: and forty seven Indians and he was just dominant. It
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: was just absolutely dominant. And he carried that literally all
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: the way through to the end of the season. He
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: just got stronger and stronger and stronger. You know, it's
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: that that's a profile that is exciting. And you know,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: if you actually looked at the very end the season,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: the last two months he had a two seventeen ERA.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: The last two months of the season, like he he
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: just kept getting stronger. So I think Hunter Brown like
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: he's gonna get a lot of healing in this off season.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: But I think it's absolutely deserved. And so yeah, to
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: your point, it's hard to just count out a few
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: pieces of the puzzle, but I'm taking Hunter brown victory
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: lap right now, and I'm I'm very, very very proud
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: of that.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So he ended up clocking in at eight dollars
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: of value in our Player Raider. But like you said,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: if you threw out that that April a little bit
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: and he were able to acquire him after that, or
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: you know, throw him in all of those bad starts
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: when he wasn't looking great, it paid off handsomely. So yeah,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: I think that's a kind of a good sort of
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: profile to look for going forward. Yeah.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: I mean I also drafted him, then drafted him, then
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: required him. So I had two versions of Hunter Brown.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: I was right on one, wrong on the other.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Here go okay, So Sean and I ended up clocking
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: at sixteen point four dollars of value in our Player
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: Raider wedge right between Mookie Bets and Matt Olson, just
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: like everybody predicted. So he was fantastic down the stretch,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: and like, yeah, was great for you and Whip era
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: wins K's and was just a fantasy ace honestly for
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: some teams out there, made for a great fantasy two
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: or three. And what I really loved about him coming
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: into the season was obviously he had a lot of
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: like great stuff metrics and just good pitching comps the
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: way that like you talked about with Hunter Brown. But
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: when I all like, we're just a few of like
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: the other factors that I look for when I'm shopping
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: for pitchers kind of in those middle tiers that I
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: think can make the jump to number twos, and that
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: is team and park. So the Mets great team, you know,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: lots of games that they won, obviously made the playoffs
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: that they were always projected to be somewhere around like
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: a load to mid eighties wins team. So you knew,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: Manya could also go that length. You know, I wasn't
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: trying to count on some kind of up and coming
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: young player who would only you know, like a Garrett
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: Crochet or something where you knew that just like there
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: wasn't enough innings in the profile to be able to
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: get through an entire season and to get deep into
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: games four wins. Great home park City Field, like you can't.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: It's one of the better home parks out there. So
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: that was like another kind of tick in terms of
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: like what I was looking for in the profile. And
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: then lastly going into a contract year. So this doesn't
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: always work because like I took a decent amount of
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: labor tourist chairs for the same reason, where like I think,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: especially like in New York, so those types of players, like,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: really it can go one way or the other, as
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: we've seen with Juan Soto and Sean and I hear
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: that going into a walk ear you could just Manaia
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: also struck me traditionally as just this player that like
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: does show up for bigger moments. And I think he
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: really rose to the occasion as he knew that he
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: was going to be able to have a great platform
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: year or have a platform here where he could really
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: leverage it if he did a great thing. And yeah,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: I mean it paid off handsomely wherever I had him
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: that like he was pretty much free in twelve teamers
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: that like you know, going for a few bucks at
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: the end of drafts or being able to round out
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: a rotation that's kind of the hallmarks or like the
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: things that I'm looking for in profiles as I get
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: into draft season.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I you know, as we look through the picture,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: I'm going to give you the victory lap on this one.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: I liked him when I pick, almost better than anybody else's.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: And part of it is like I had identified Manaia
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: in the off season. He's a drive line guy. He
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: told a lot of things that you called out, like
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of things there, and like it just
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: seems like every draft I was in, like I just
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: left the draft of the draft without him, like nobody
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: picked him. And I was just like on the last pick,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: like do I grab him? Do I not? And then
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: I just didn't. And so now I'm kicking myself for
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: that and giving you the victory lap on this one.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: And so I think it's a great pick because your point,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: like there's other guys on here that pitched better than Manaia,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: that were probably more valuable than actually probably you know,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: maybe drove some guys to championships and things like that
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: like that, but Manaiah was absolutely free and he was
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: to your point, he's like a number three plug and
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: play real with what you got out of him and
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: the innings were there. I do question if he can
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: maintain that in the future, Like the innings piece for
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: me is a question for him. But man, you nailed
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: that one, and I'm giving you the victory lap.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah baby, Yeah, I mean he was going three hundred
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: and thirtieth in FBC drafts, so he was not going Yeah.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: So I won't be getting him at that price going
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: into next year, that's for sure. Okay, Well, let's move
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: on to our most valuable fantasy hitter where uh you did?
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: I mean I.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, It's.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: Impossible for me to say anything bad about my boy
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: Tommy Fam, who was your pick, but I think it
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: was good. Well, you also picked him before he had
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: a job, so that is a factor here is that,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: like you, he was not signed at during spring training
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: when we made these picks, so you were kind of
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: counting on him signing somewhere. And I think it's I
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: can't quite slice and dice the player raider to like
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: see from like when Tommy Fam signed, but when he
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: signed ever since then, he probably provided positive ish value,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: especially over stretches where he was playing that like it
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: was a little up and down with his three teams.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: But I think it I don't know if what I'm
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: saying is, I don't know if you necessarily have like
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: a ton of reevaluation to do that, Like it's just
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: a weird sequence of events. Mine, Oh, go ahead, good. Yeah.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: It was like I looked at Tommy fam as like
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: a fifteen to fifteen bat that was free, and then
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: the fact that he did not sign until like mid April.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: I just I was shocked at that. And to your point,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: then he just bounced around team after team, Like it's
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: just like he had like four seasons somehow, like three teams,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: and like he took the beginning of the season off
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: like and that really I think kind of hurt. But
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: he was still like guy who just randomly would pick
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: up and plug and play, and he was the best
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: bench option you had. Now, I was hoping for a
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: little bit more than that. But yeah, at the end
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: of the day, like, I'm not too disappointed that he's
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: probably not the most valuable fantasy hitter, but there's still
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: something to be said for having value for nothing at
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: the draft table.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, I totally agree. Mine was Sean Murphy, which
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: blew up on literally day one when he tore that
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: oblique on opening day, it was gone. So that was
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: just I think if we're going to go back to
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: like learning lessons with Adlie Richman, certainly will not be
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: picking like a catcher for this type of category again
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: because again it's fluky. Not only do they get banged
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: up you know, catching, but then you have all the
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: other standard issues when you're in the batter's box. Especially
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: for the Atlanta Braves, You're you're bound to break a
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: wrist or a foot or tear and oblique because that's
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: the way that their season went. But so I think
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: that's maybe like my takeaway, especially as we get into
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, catchers have it is a stronger class,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: which also I think makes it that like the importance
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: of like getting a catcher just isn't there for me,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: and going to twenty twenty five that like, I think
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: there's plenty of young catchers, there's plenty of old catchers
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: that have power, like my boy Kyle Goshioka that are
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: still hanging around the league. That the floor I think
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: is higher for the catchers in Fantasy than that has
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: been traditionally, but the ceiling is lower as well because
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: we don't necessarily have like an upperish tier option currently,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: especially as long as Adlie Rushman's playing with Mount Waltimore
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: down there. So what do you think?
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I kind of lude to this Earlier we
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: were talking about Adute, Like, I think their Adli Rushman
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: has a Jill Moller season in him here here or
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: there where He's just gonna hit you know, crazy average.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: He's gonna hit thirty bombs and everybody's looking me like,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: why didn't I see this coming? Like, he has so
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: much talent to your point, hitting them Baltimore that field,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: the way they've redesigned it is really really hurt. But
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: I do think that we will see that. But otherwise,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: like so I'm only taking that if it's priced in
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: which I think Adley like we come them back to
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: the pack. As far as uh actually being interesting to
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: buy where before he was it was, it was a
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: tough call. So but overall, yeah, I'm generally kind of
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: waiting to the second tier catchers, even towards the back twelve. Uh.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: You know, I think there's probably a lot of value
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: in like two two catcher leagues taking the back back
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: to the first tier beginning of the second tier, you'll
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: probably getting two guys that are just gonna be up
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: and coming. There's just a lot of guys in that
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: middle middle layer that you can be absolutely happy, happy
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: with to your point from a floor perspective, and somebody's
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: gonna gonna go off and you don't.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: Know who it is. Yeah, And I think, especially when
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: we're getting into next year, the like young catchers coming
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: into their own, there's gonna be a lot of them
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: between like uh, Gabrielle Moreno Caper Ruis obviously like Janier
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: Diez will be at the more upper end of that
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: catcher pool. Logan O'HAPPI will be around. So like there's
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of developing is starting to come through the
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: league that like, I think you can play at the
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: back of the back end of that pool and not
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: get burned too bad. But for the staff picks of
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: most Valuable Fantasy Hitter, who do you think was the best?
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to go here with I got the
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: player name, I got a look who picked, Okay, it
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: was it was Rudy. I'm gonna go with Anthony Santander
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: from Rudy, I think that was it was a great pick.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: You know, probably one of the most unappreciated players in
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: the Baltimore system here, Santander had just an outstanding year. Yeah,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: the average left a little bit desired, but I think
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: there's more in the tank there. But this is a
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: guy that hit forty four homers, scored ninety one runs,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: and knocked in one hundred and two. Yeah, he stole
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: two bases, but you know he I don't think people
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: saw that coming from him, even though the talent's been there,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: but a lot of folks were like discounting because of
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: the Baltimore changes there. So I love this pick. I
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: think he was absolutely much more about than anybody expected.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: And you look across the board of whatever else was picking,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: and like we just didn't really seem to click, and
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: Santander to me, just kind of jumps out as a
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: guy that had a great season on probably was still
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: undappreciated for what he did.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you look at the NFBC data, his
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: average draft spot was one thirty three, so you know,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: like tenth to twelfth round somewhere in there. But on
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: our Player Raider he was twenty fourth, so returned second
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: round value for you. So that's a huge jump. I
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: think that's a great call. There's also some other great
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: picks here in here. Blair went with Kittel Marte, who
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: was you know, drafted right around pick one hundred and
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: ended up returning you value that gave you. Sorry, I'm
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: doing this on the fly, and he gave you seventeenth overall,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: just ahead of Santander, so again second round value there.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: So that's pretty big pickup. A couple of people also
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: picked vlad Garo Junior, which wasn't quite as significant, like
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: of a jump. He was being picked more you know,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: fourthish round, I want to say, like fourth, fifth sometimes,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: although you know, some people were kind of popping him
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: in the third as well, and ended up returning great
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: value for you, was fourteenth overall in our Player Raider
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: at thirty three dollars. So I think that kind of
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: spoke to if you had especially made him your second
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: overall like bat and you had paired him like with
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  Speaker 1: an Ellie or an Otani, like you're probably out there
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  Speaker 1: spending your Fantasy Baseball Championship bucks right now that like
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  Speaker 1: he certainly that's the type of pick where if you're
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  Speaker 1: in like the third or fourth round, that you really
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  Speaker 1: dream of what Vladimir Gero did for you this year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, he he was phenomenal, especially in that second half.
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  Speaker 2: He he carried some teams championships, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I should call out that was a Healan
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  Speaker 1: made that one. So yeah, she had pretty good uh
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  Speaker 1: stretch in here. I won't mention her sleeper and Kelder
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  Speaker 1: also picked flag Garo Junior. So yeah, lots of lots
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  Speaker 1: of great insights. I will link to all that in
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  Speaker 1: the show notes, like I have said, and so certainly
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a it's a great piece, So check
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  Speaker 1: it out when we when we post it next March,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, now I'm gonna overthink this way too
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  Speaker 1: much and we're just gonna like it's just gonna be
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  Speaker 1: like brutal coming in the next year, because this is
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  Speaker 1: certainly way more fun when it's like seventy five percent hits.
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  Speaker 2: The good news is Islands, we think five or six
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  Speaker 2: picks next year because we all know something gree is
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  Speaker 2: my infatuation again next year, So I've got a head
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  Speaker 2: start on you. What's holding you back? You?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that defines infatuation right there, Like if it if
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  Speaker 1: it's just the same player, they just copy and paste it.
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  Speaker 1: It's perfect.
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  Speaker 2: I think I picked him like two years ago now.
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  Speaker 2: I think that'd be a third year in a row.
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  Speaker 2: If I can pray again, just.
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  Speaker 2: So hey, I just I just saw a post on
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  Speaker 2: on Twitter said the Tigers are one way from the win,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: win away from the Alcs with the rotation of tear school,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's that's per ping chaos, is Ajlis calls it,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: j H exactly pitching chaos. Okay, well, we're going to
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