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159: High School Noir · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 9: talk movies, and try to solve the murder of my
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  Speaker 9: dead girlfriend.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, wait.
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  Speaker 9: So, all of us, I ask us, what blend of
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  Speaker 9: coffee are we drinking this week? Thundermug.
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  Speaker 2: Thundermug.
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  Speaker 9: Obviously, we are already hopped up on Polonia Coffee. All right,
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  Speaker 9: before we get massively carried away, yeah, let's just take
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  Speaker 9: a break and.
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  Speaker 2: We will be back with the movie.
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  Speaker 9: Because if we try to take a break later, we'll
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  Speaker 9: never get to it because, you know, we get carried away.
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  Speaker 9: So we'll take a break and be back with this
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  Speaker 9: week's movie.
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  Speaker 2: She got bricked.
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  Speaker 5: She moves, she.
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  Speaker 11: Never moves, but there she goes.
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  Speaker 5: She leave it on a.
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  Speaker 12: Sunday, she got concrete feet.
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  Speaker 2: She never gonna leave.
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  Speaker 5: But there she goes.
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  Speaker 13: of the Maltese falcon. 600 years, the falcon has carried
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  Speaker 13: the mystery of a fabulous wealth under its grotesque wings.
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  Speaker 13: I could tell you a thousand tales of the men
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  Speaker 13: and women who have hunted this evil bird. But every story.
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  Speaker 4: Has the same ending.
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  Speaker 9: Murder.
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  Speaker 13: Listen to these incredible people, all consumed by their passionate
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  Speaker 13: greed for the Maltese falcon.
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  Speaker 4: What have you ever given me besides money?
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  Speaker 13: Have you ever given me any of your confidence, any
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  Speaker 13: of the truth?
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  Speaker 3: Haven't you tried to buy my loyalty with money and
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  Speaker 3: nothing else?
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  Speaker 1: What else is there I.
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  Speaker 9: Can buy you with?
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  Speaker 14: We were talking about a lot more money than this.
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  Speaker 10: There are more of us to be taken care of now.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that might be, but I've got the falcon. You
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  Speaker 4: may have the falcon, but.
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  Speaker 1: We certainly have you.
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  Speaker 4: I've taken all the writing from you I'm going to take.
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  Speaker 4: Get up and shoot it out.
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  Speaker 15: Stop it.
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  Speaker 2: The police will be here any minute.
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  Speaker 3: Now talk.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, how can you accuse me of such a deal?
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  Speaker 2: That would be fantastic.
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  Speaker 9: I should go higher with that.
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  Speaker 2: No, you can never do too.
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  Speaker 3: And now, on with the show.
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  Speaker 5: It's time for Sofa Theater.
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  Speaker 18: Brendan?
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  Speaker 8: Emily?
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  Speaker 9: I really screwed up.
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  Speaker 5: Screwed up how?
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  Speaker 4: The brick.
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  Speaker 19: What?
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  Speaker 4: I didn't know it was bad, but the pin's on
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  Speaker 4: it now.
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  Speaker 9: You gotta help me. Slow down now.
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  Speaker 5: This isn't good.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 9: Emily said words I didn't know. Tell me if they catch.
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  Speaker 2: Brick?
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  Speaker 16: No.
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  Speaker 11: Tug?
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  Speaker 2: Tug might be a drink. Like milk and vodka.
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  Speaker 1: Pin?
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  Speaker 5: You know the kingpin.
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  Speaker 2: Dope, right?
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  Speaker 9: Big time.
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  Speaker 1: What are you going to do?
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  Speaker 2: She asked for my help.
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  Speaker 18: I just wanna know if she's okay.
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  Speaker 2: So what's first?
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  Speaker 18: I'm gonna start shaking things up.
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  Speaker 5: Really don't mind if you sit this one out.
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  Speaker 11: My words but a whisper, your deafness a shout I.
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  Speaker 9: May make you feel, but I can't make.
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  Speaker 5: You think Your sperm's in the gutter, your love's in the.
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  Speaker 11: Sink So you ride yourself over the fields And.
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  Speaker 20: You make all your animal.
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  Speaker 11: Deals And your wise men don't know how it feels
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  Speaker 11: It'd be thick.
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  Speaker 2: As a brick.
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  Speaker 5: Brick.
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  Speaker 9: Brick.
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  Speaker 2: Brick.
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  Speaker 1: Brick.
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  Speaker 2: Brick.
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  Speaker 9: Welcome back to Movie Meltdown Sofa Theater. This week's Sofa
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  Speaker 9: Theater feature is Brick. The year is 2005. The director,
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  Speaker 9: Rian Johnson. They plot according to IMDb, and it's actually
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  Speaker 9: not bad. A teenage loner pushes his way into the
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  Speaker 9: underworld of a high school crime ring to investigate the
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  Speaker 9: disappearance of his ex-girlfriend. almost accurate there. So with that
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  Speaker 9: spoiler alert, because we were deciding earlier, if this is
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  Speaker 9: one that, you know, is, is something you can spoil
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  Speaker 9: and it really, I mean, you can spoil the plot,
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  Speaker 9: which I'm sure we will, but there's something going on
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  Speaker 9: within the movie itself that regardless of if you know
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  Speaker 9: the plot or not, you kind of have to experience.
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  Speaker 9: And Hopefully by now you already have. If not, go
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  Speaker 9: watch it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know if I remember the plot. It's
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  Speaker 2: been three weeks since I watched it again.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah. I'm sure you'll piece it together.
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  Speaker 1: All the plot bits and stuff, but once you know
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  Speaker 1: what kind of world you're in, you know it's a dame.
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  Speaker 2: It's all a dame.
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  Speaker 9: Well, that's what I realized. This is a love it
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  Speaker 9: or hate it kind of a movie. Right off the bat,
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  Speaker 9: if you get this, you're going to get it. If
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  Speaker 9: you don't, you'll be like, what the hell is this?
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  Speaker 9: And you're going to turn it off more than likely.
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  Speaker 9: So I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I think if you can get to the point of
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  Speaker 2: putting it in the DVD player and pressing play or
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  Speaker 2: pulling it up and you're good, I think you're going
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  Speaker 2: to watch it because it's slick. It's smart.
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  Speaker 9: I think we would get to that. And I think
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  Speaker 9: a lot of people listening are in that same mind.
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  Speaker 9: I think if you show this to Joe on the
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  Speaker 9: street and he got midway into some of their lines
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  Speaker 9: and I think they'd be like, what the hell is this?
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  Speaker 2: And they'd change it. I think people who don't really
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  Speaker 2: want to bother to watch a movie are not going
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  Speaker 2: to like it.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think this is one of those... Because you
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  Speaker 9: have to watch it.
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  Speaker 2: That divides.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're not really watching it, it's not
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  Speaker 1: going to work.
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  Speaker 9: I just think it divides the people who are really
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  Speaker 9: into movies and want to invest themselves in something like
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  Speaker 9: this from... the casual viewer who wants to watch shit explode.
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  Speaker 2: Right, it's not 13 going on 30.
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  Speaker 1: It's not one of those movies where you kind of
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  Speaker 1: know what kind of story it is so you can
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  Speaker 1: kind of like be doing a few things and come
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  Speaker 1: back and look at it.
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  Speaker 9: You've got to be paying attention.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll get into that later.
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  Speaker 9: Where do you want to begin?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think, you know, just the dialogue.
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  Speaker 9: So at first, tip the bulls?
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  Speaker 10: Nah, bulls, gum it.
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  Speaker 18: And flash their dusty standards to the wide eyes.
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  Speaker 19: Probably find some yig to pin.
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  Speaker 18: Probably even the right one.
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  Speaker 5: Trample the real tracks.
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  Speaker 19: Scare the real players back into their holes.
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  Speaker 2: If we're doing this, I.
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  Speaker 5: Want the whole story. No cops. Not for a bit.
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  Speaker 5: So what's first?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Your mom still have that cell?
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  Speaker 5: In her car.
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  Speaker 2: Borrow it for a few days.
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  Speaker 5: Give me the number. I'll wait for my word.
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  Speaker 21: And, um.
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  Speaker 5: Cover for me first.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be a little late.
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  Speaker 1: For me, it's a really funny movie. In a way,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't have funny beats. It doesn't have jokes. But
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  Speaker 1: you get caught.
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  Speaker 21: Up in it.
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  Speaker 2: And then after a while, it's just funny how caught
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  Speaker 2: up in it you get.
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  Speaker 1: Because it's very much an old-fashioned noir set in an
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  Speaker 1: unexpected place. place in high school. And so just every
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  Speaker 1: now and then when it takes a little turn or
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  Speaker 1: there's a little road bump in it, actually that makes
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  Speaker 1: me think, actually there are just things in it that
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  Speaker 1: are flat funny.
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  Speaker 2: They are kind of jokes. But not a lot.
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  Speaker 1: It's mostly deadpan and just every now and then you
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  Speaker 1: find yourself laughing because it's like, this.
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  Speaker 2: Is high school. But it kind of works.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just unexpected and funny and you're not really given.
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  Speaker 2: like a beat to laugh, or you couldn't sound... It's
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  Speaker 2: just inherently funny.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And you're going to laugh in a different spot than
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  Speaker 2: I am. Yeah. It's kind of like your tickle point
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  Speaker 2: in the movie. Like, now it's funny to me, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to get it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you just pick your own moment to go, this
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  Speaker 1: is hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't, it doesn't feel realistic to me, the entire film,
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  Speaker 2: because I was so unaware of the world in high school.
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  Speaker 2: I was, you know, these kids are light years beyond
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  Speaker 2: me that there would be this underworld and there would
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  Speaker 2: be these parties and there would be, I just, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I was, I was just, Well, like Fred, you've referenced before.
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  Speaker 2: There were a few moments of things that I did,
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  Speaker 2: and the rest of the time I was just waiting around,
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  Speaker 2: tying my shoes, or whatever else I needed to have.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's specific kids, though. Yeah, maybe. A lot
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  Speaker 2: of standing around waiting.
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  Speaker 9: There's a lot of other kids. And again, I was
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  Speaker 9: not one of those kids. And that's what I think
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  Speaker 9: is sort of fascinating about this is like, it plays
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  Speaker 9: out like, yeah, it's a Raymond Chandler novel, but at
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  Speaker 9: the same time, it incorporates all the goings-on of a
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  Speaker 9: high school life, not necessarily the day-to-day in the classroom stuff,
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  Speaker 9: but all the other stuff that's going on of relationships
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  Speaker 9: and the buying and selling of goods and or services
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  Speaker 9: that are going on, and all of it is really
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  Speaker 9: going on out there in high schools, and it's easily
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  Speaker 9: as overwhelming and underhanded and the kind of stuff that
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  Speaker 9: went on in your old noir kind of movies is
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  Speaker 9: going on in day-to-day life. We just don't see it
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  Speaker 9: that way right now unless you put on these special
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  Speaker 9: brick glasses. And all of a sudden, again, you get
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  Speaker 9: the joke of it. But at the same time, that's
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  Speaker 9: what I thought was cool is that it doesn't take
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  Speaker 9: anything that to me is that far-fetched the dialogue is,
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  Speaker 9: but the things that are going on is shit. That's
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  Speaker 9: probably going on in every town or at least within,
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  Speaker 9: you know, a couple of towns in every state across
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  Speaker 9: this country, probably the world over this kind of stuff
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  Speaker 9: just happens. Right.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to say that there aren't kids that
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  Speaker 2: are more developed and mature and involved in things that
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  Speaker 2: I was too sheltered to see. Cause that's happening. I
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  Speaker 2: know that's happening. Um, It happened to a girl in my,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, things like that. There was a girl in
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  Speaker 2: my grade school that was, or middle school, I guess
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  Speaker 2: is what you would call it, that was involved in
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  Speaker 2: a ring of trouble and ended up, you know, passing
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  Speaker 2: away as a result. And it's that shock of, that
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  Speaker 2: was going on here?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That was going on here. You know, and she was considerably,
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  Speaker 2: considerably in control. middle school terms, younger than me by
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  Speaker 2: a few years. And that's even more of a revelation
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  Speaker 2: that how is that possible? But I just wasn't there.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess I was watching, you know, movies.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't doing it.
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  Speaker 9: I fell into a burning ring of trouble.
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  Speaker 5: Did you?
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  Speaker 9: Yes, it went down, down.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you're a lot smarter than I am.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't think that way.
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  Speaker 9: Well, not on these choices.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that explains the phenomena.
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  Speaker 9: But no, I think, I mean, again, it may be
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  Speaker 9: a little exaggerated for movie-wise, but again, a lot of
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  Speaker 9: the basic goings-on, a lot of the drama that comes
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  Speaker 9: into play is the kind of stuff that goes on in,
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  Speaker 9: you know, in a lot of high schools. It's just
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  Speaker 9: sort of exaggerated and shoved into this little plot line. But,
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  Speaker 9: you know, some of the basic scenes are, like, stuff
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  Speaker 9: that's getting played out every day.
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  Speaker 16: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Except, I think, you know.
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  Speaker 2: The murder thing. I mean, that's a pretty major event.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Or a kid O'Dean.
• 19:26
  Speaker 9: I wasn't even counting that. I was talking about just
• 19:28
  Speaker 9: the drama. The goings on. The life and death of
• 19:32
  Speaker 9: everything that goes on in kids' lives is kind of
• 19:36
  Speaker 9: represented here. And that part of the story is the
• 19:38
  Speaker 9: part that's sort of done for the movie. And again,
• 19:41
  Speaker 9: that happens too on occasion. But that's a little more rare,
• 19:45
  Speaker 9: I hope, really.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pretty big amount.
• 19:48
  Speaker 9: But the other stuff, everything else that's going on in
• 19:50
  Speaker 9: the day-to-day events is kind of stuff that goes on
• 19:53
  Speaker 9: in people's lives. I hear some scary stories from people
• 19:56
  Speaker 9: from them growing up, and even now, so I mean,
• 19:59
  Speaker 9: there's that stuff going on, and I think it's funny
• 20:02
  Speaker 9: that when it's happening, I don't know that people realize
• 20:06
  Speaker 9: it as much. Again, this just sort of puts that
• 20:08
  Speaker 9: tint on it, and you're like, Oh yeah. Remember when
• 20:11
  Speaker 9: that guy got involved?
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:13
  Speaker 9: I mean, it's like, it sort of puts a different.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: You know, discussion of it is making me think of, um,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I talked some kids into watching blue velvet recently.
• 20:23
  Speaker 9: I wrote that down. That's exactly what it reminded me of.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Although I think the guy was like back home from college,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: but it had that feeling though of like a hearty
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: boys mystery.
• 20:35
  Speaker 9: Um, that, Well, it reminded me a lot of that, actually,
• 20:38
  Speaker 9: because it really is that, like, if you go back
• 20:41
  Speaker 9: and you even get that flashback scene of him, even
• 20:44
  Speaker 9: like two months before, he's kind of a clean-cut kid.
• 20:47
  Speaker 9: And he's sort of, you know, just like an innocent
• 20:49
  Speaker 9: at that point. Sort of like when he comes into
• 20:52
  Speaker 9: the story in Blue Velvet. And then midway in, he's just...
• 20:55
  Speaker 9: finds himself knee-deep in this mess and this underworld of
• 20:59
  Speaker 9: things going on that have always been going on, but
• 21:02
  Speaker 9: he was clueless out beside the football field, not paying
• 21:05
  Speaker 9: attention to them.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: You know, characters get obsessed in that moment, too. They
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: have to keep going.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: That is the, and I don't want to use the
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: word heroic downfall of Blue Velvet, but he is obsessed
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: and cannot pull himself away from throwing himself back into
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: that world.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: When you could go, you know what? Fuck this. I'm done.
• 21:29
  Speaker 21: I'm going.
• 21:30
  Speaker 9: And this one, he does it almost on like sheer principle,
• 21:32
  Speaker 9: you know, because by, by midway into the, not even
• 21:35
  Speaker 9: that it's maybe a third of the way in the movie.
• 21:37
  Speaker 9: When we catch up with the opening scene, it's like,
• 21:40
  Speaker 9: it's already done. I mean, he could leave it and
• 21:43
  Speaker 9: who cares, but you know, it didn't affect him except
• 21:47
  Speaker 9: it affected him, you know? But I mean, he could
• 21:49
  Speaker 9: have been out of it and not gotten involved in
• 21:52
  Speaker 9: all the rest of the movie that he, crazy stuff
• 21:54
  Speaker 9: that he gets swept up in it's like he could
• 21:56
  Speaker 9: have just walked away and it is his like obsession
• 21:59
  Speaker 9: with finding what happened to her and and almost just
• 22:04
  Speaker 9: like finishing what she started it's like she came to
• 22:07
  Speaker 9: me for help and even though you know we've thrown
• 22:09
  Speaker 9: out the spoiler alert she's not here anymore you know
• 22:12
  Speaker 9: she's already dead i'm still going to yeah yeah again
• 22:16
  Speaker 9: if you watch the movie at all But yeah, I'm
• 22:18
  Speaker 9: still going to finish what she asked me to start.
• 22:21
  Speaker 9: She wanted help, and I'm going to find out what
• 22:24
  Speaker 9: was going on, even if it doesn't benefit her anymore.
• 22:27
  Speaker 9: It's like I'm finishing what she asked me to do.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: When a man's partner is killed, he's supposed to do
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: something about it.
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: Damn straight.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: That's right. Maltese Falcon. Maltese Falcon.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: Which this lifts several things from, actually.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Even just the speed of the dialogue. Yeah. Trying to
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: follow it is just like fun. in and of itself
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: that that slick nature of it is it is a
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: lot of fun these kids don't um they they talk
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: well and it is it it is.
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: A i mean it's a neo-noir right is yeah how
• 23:01
  Speaker 9: they now.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: And that's that's fine it you know does it kind
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: of got and i think when seeing it this time
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: and maybe I should have stopped and thought and continued watching,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: but when they were talking about his last name, his
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: last name is Fry in it. Is that correct? Brendan, Brendan,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: something like that.
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: I don't know.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: I kind of got a, a, um, uh, Ferris Bueller's
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: kind of vibe out of the, out of the film anyway,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: that he was just listed as Brendan. Oh, okay. I
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: thought they used the name Fry. Um, Which doesn't matter,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: other than when I was thinking about that.
• 23:45
  Speaker 9: Later, it shows a line that has him as, yeah, Fry.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Okay. That kids that are in control of their world
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: like Ferris Bueller, like the pen, I guess.
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 24:00
  Speaker 9: I sort of saw it as another reference. To me,
• 24:03
  Speaker 9: it's like the peanut's gone wrong. I was like, there's
• 24:07
  Speaker 9: most of the time midway into those episodes on the Peanuts,
• 24:10
  Speaker 9: I'm just like, where are these kids' parents? And I'm
• 24:13
  Speaker 9: the same thing here. It's like these kids do everything
• 24:16
  Speaker 9: on their own. With the exception of the Penn's mother
• 24:20
  Speaker 9: and the vice principal, you.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Don't see adults.
• 24:22
  Speaker 9: There are no adults. Adults don't exist in this world.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: They are the adults.
• 24:27
  Speaker 9: They are just like in the Peanuts, though. It's like
• 24:29
  Speaker 9: the Peanuts just go off on their own little adventures
• 24:31
  Speaker 9: and do whatever the hell they want without adults really
• 24:33
  Speaker 9: coming into play most of the time. So I don't know.
• 24:37
  Speaker 9: I just thought that was a weird little connect in
• 24:40
  Speaker 9: the middle of it.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Speaking of Peanuts, and fans of this show will appreciate this. Fred,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: you're the one that brought up the Peanuts where you
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: just show the two frames. Yeah, the three nuts. Watching
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: over the holidays, I watched a couple of the Peanuts.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: There's two or three of them, shows. And every single
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: scene is a comic strip. They'll show one line, two
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: line jokes. One line, two lines. Their entire show is
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: just set up. I was remarking to my wife, I
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: was like, with the three kids, I wish you could
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: just remove that last kid and then just watch the shows.
• 25:17
  Speaker 9: You can.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: God, they would be hilarious.
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: A little editing software. They're all set.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: So I want somebody to do that because I don't
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: have the patience to sit down and do it. But anyway, yeah,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I can see, yeah, in the brick, not the brick. Yeah,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: you can see there are no adults. other than the mom,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: which the character that... I love that guy.
• 25:39
  Speaker 9: I know.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: He made... I was okay with the movie for the
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: longest time, and then when he's in it, especially the
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: person that plays him, it's perfect. Perfect character, perfect part
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: of the movie, perfect reveal. The pin?
• 25:57
  Speaker 9: The pin, yeah.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: The pin's kind of a local spook store. You know
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: the kingpin.
• 26:01
  Speaker 18: I've heard it.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Same thing.
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: Supposed to be old, like 26, lives in town.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Dope runner, right? Big time.
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: See, the pin pipes it from the lowest scrapper to
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: Brad Bramish himself.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Maybe. I mean, ask any dope right where the.
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: Junk sprang, and they'll say they scraped it off that,
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: who scored it off this, who bought it off someone
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: after four or five connections, the list always ends with
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: a pin. But I bet you you got every rat
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: in town together and said, show your hands if any
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: of them actually seen the pin, and you'd get a
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: crowd of full pockets.
• 26:26
  Speaker 18: You think the pin's just a tail to take whatever heat?
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: Hmm.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: But what's first?
• 26:33
  Speaker 18: Show of hands.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I swear, when he starts going on about Tolkien, I mean,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: that is from my childhood. That is from when I
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: was skipping school in ninth grade, and then the girls
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: you would hang out knew some guy that had an
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: apartment near, and it was some dumpy little place, and
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: he was a pothead.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: But, you know, he was a thoughtful older guy, a
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: college guy.
• 26:58
  Speaker 9: Who dropped out. A really old guy, like 26?
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that. Or something like that.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: But then he'd just want to get stoned and lay
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: around and say, man, I really like the way he
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: describes things.
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: See?
• 27:12
  Speaker 9: Some kids do have that life. It's just not you
• 27:15
  Speaker 9: or I, Greg. But that was one of my favorites.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: He's really old, like 26. Exactly, yeah. And then the
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: lamp and the That is funny. In the car.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 27:26
  Speaker 9: I remember you pointing that out.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: That was beautiful.
• 27:30
  Speaker 9: Well, everything about him almost makes no sense, but yet
• 27:34
  Speaker 9: is completely what he is. He almost needs that to
• 27:39
  Speaker 9: be anyone, because otherwise he's a skinny, dorky guy. So
• 27:45
  Speaker 9: you almost need this outfit and the cane. And the
• 27:48
  Speaker 9: fact that he has a big eagle sculpture sitting next
• 27:51
  Speaker 9: to this tiny little desk. Like everything about this, first
• 27:54
  Speaker 9: of all, you go in this horribly finished basement. And
• 27:57
  Speaker 9: I can say that.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I grew up in a finished basement.
• 28:00
  Speaker 9: So I just look at it and go, oh, God,
• 28:01
  Speaker 9: is that my house? So, yeah, it's this cheesy finished
• 28:06
  Speaker 9: basement with paneling on the walls.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: We all went into that basement at some point.
• 28:10
  Speaker 9: Well, I mean, I kept looking at it going, God,
• 28:12
  Speaker 9: look how low the ceiling is.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: Oh, no way.
• 28:13
  Speaker 9: I could reach up and touch my ceiling in the basement.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Yep, that's right.
• 28:16
  Speaker 9: That's exactly what it's like. So, yeah, this horrible finished basement.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Was that the same basement from The Wedding Singer?
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: I think it was.
• 28:26
  Speaker 9: But it's like, what sort of kingpin is in this
• 28:28
  Speaker 9: terrible finished basement?
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: But it's so true.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Like, those older guys that you knew when you were
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: in high school, like, looking back.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: On it, it's your proportion changes. God, those guys were
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: unbelievable dorky losers.
• 28:43
  Speaker 9: Dorks.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: But they were the guys who would hang out with
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: you when you were in high school.
• 28:49
  Speaker 9: With lame 16-year-olds. But yeah, I don't know. Everything about him,
• 28:54
  Speaker 9: like the whole outfit, the fact that he has to
• 28:58
  Speaker 9: have the... The room is almost bare, but he has
• 29:00
  Speaker 9: the giant eagle sculpture.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: You know, he is a fully developed character.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: Even....
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Joseph Gordon-Levitt's character is a good character, but he really
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: is the guy that stuff just happens to. And he
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: reacts well. He's slick about reacting.
• 29:20
  Speaker 9: He still carries the movie for a moment.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: But he's not a character in so much as, well,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: in the same way that the pen is.
• 29:30
  Speaker 9: The pen's almost a caricature. He is so exaggerated in
• 29:35
  Speaker 9: what he's supposed to be.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: But do you think somebody knew that guy?
• 29:41
  Speaker 9: Maybe pieces of him.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Well, it does give you that feeling.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: He's so fully imagined that you start to think he
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: had to exist.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Because who could like... Nobody would have.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: the imaginative nerve to make him up, because they go, no, yeah, right.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Or to put that sculpture there.
• 30:00
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Who goes, when they're writing in front of their computer,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: who goes, well, I've got to have that in... No,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: they saw it.
• 30:09
  Speaker 9: Or a lamp hanging like halfway in the room, like
• 30:12
  Speaker 9: a ceiling lamp.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: It's one of those.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: It's like when you watch a movie... And the plot
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: meanders and things happen and you think somebody's.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Writing a memoir here because.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Nobody would make anything up so aimless or random.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:29
  Speaker 9: Well, he did say he stole the outfit from Barnabas
• 30:32
  Speaker 9: from Dark Shadows.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:34
  Speaker 9: That's like exactly what he based that outfit on.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: But it seems like the kid would almost like do
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: that too.
• 30:41
  Speaker 9: And I'm thinking, yeah, that's far-fetched, but look at the
• 30:44
  Speaker 9: way a lot of kids dress anyway. It's like, so
• 30:46
  Speaker 9: it's like, is it really any different than somebody who
• 30:50
  Speaker 9: goes to all the trouble that a lot of the
• 30:51
  Speaker 9: goth kids do or the punk kids do? It's like
• 30:54
  Speaker 9: they put equally as much effort into their appearance in
• 30:57
  Speaker 9: a different way, but it's equally as weird and exaggerated,
• 31:01
  Speaker 9: and so I'm like, yeah, it's still believable when you
• 31:06
  Speaker 9: compare it to some of the other stuff.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:09
  Speaker 9: Such a funny movie. I do think, I mean... it's
• 31:15
  Speaker 9: really interesting, especially at the time. I remember this was
• 31:18
  Speaker 9: sort of the first thing I saw and really saw
• 31:21
  Speaker 9: Joseph Gordon-Levitt do something else. Like he was still just
• 31:24
  Speaker 9: that dorky kid from TV. And then this was sort
• 31:27
  Speaker 9: of the turning point. Like this was before he got,
• 31:30
  Speaker 9: he got hooked up with, you know, doing Inception or
• 31:33
  Speaker 9: he's in all of his movies now.
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 31:35
  Speaker 9: He's in Inception. He's going to be in the next Batman.
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: So yeah, now he's, Now he's doing, like, super A-list
• 31:41
  Speaker 9: kind of stuff. So, yeah, it's interesting to look back
• 31:44
  Speaker 9: just a few years, and, yeah, this is sort of his, like,
• 31:47
  Speaker 9: turning point, at least in my mind, that, like, this
• 31:50
  Speaker 9: was the first time I saw him and kind of went, oh, okay,
• 31:53
  Speaker 9: he'd done a couple other movies, but I don't think
• 31:55
  Speaker 9: I'd seen anything.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: He was in that, what was the teenage kid with
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Heath Ledger?
• 32:04
  Speaker 9: Oh, Ten Things I Hate About You.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Ten Things I Hate About You?
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah. No.
• 32:07
  Speaker 9: But again, he's the side character. He's still likable in that.
• 32:11
  Speaker 9: I like him.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Because I hadn't even watched Third Rock from the Sun.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: For some reason, I watched that movie. I think because
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: somebody pulled that same old, oh, it's the taming of
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: the shrew.
• 32:26
  Speaker 15: You know how directors or writers will have a movie
• 32:33
  Speaker 15: and then they'll say, Oh, it's, it's a, it's a,
• 32:36
  Speaker 15: it's a King Lear.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: No, it's a teen movie and it sucks. And part
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: of the plot was like that. And somebody pointed a
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: lot of that out after the fact, and you're using
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: it just to sell this movie. That's what I got
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: out of it. And I think I may have watched
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: it because of that. And I was like, I'm pissed
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: off at this maybe. And, and I remember taking away
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: from it that I really liked Joseph Gordon-Levitt. I was like, he,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: he is that kid. I know that kid. Um, And
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: then I started watching old reruns because I liked John Lithgow,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: but then I started watching old reruns.
• 33:10
  Speaker 9: He's so good in that, yeah. I mean, at least
• 33:13
  Speaker 9: in that type of thing, of him doing comedy, it's
• 33:16
  Speaker 9: like he's, you know... Well, again, John Lithgow's pretty awesome
• 33:19
  Speaker 9: as well, but those two are like the main... The
• 33:23
  Speaker 9: other two are just kind of the goofy ones, but yeah,
• 33:25
  Speaker 9: those two sort of have the real sense of humor
• 33:27
  Speaker 9: in that show.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: He did such a good job of playing... an adult
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: playing a kid. Yeah. That, um, it's, it's bad that
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: it was on a TV show that not a lot
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: of people, I mean, it lasted several years.
• 33:39
  Speaker 9: That's the other thing I was like, that thing was
• 33:41
  Speaker 9: on for years. Like for something that wasn't a major hit,
• 33:45
  Speaker 9: it wasn't like it was Seinfeld at the time. It
• 33:47
  Speaker 9: was just, but yet it was on for like five
• 33:49
  Speaker 9: or six years.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Wasn't it?
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: It was.
• 33:51
  Speaker 21: Yeah.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: How great of that though, to be able to spend
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: five or six years as a kid with John.
• 33:55
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's true. Which is maybe why he's so good
• 33:58
  Speaker 9: by the time he gets to this point.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 34:00
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Because he can be evil and turn around and be funny.
• 34:04
  Speaker 9: And yet, yeah, be like slapstick kind of funny when
• 34:07
  Speaker 9: need be.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: I hope he gets... I hope people appreciate him more.
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: Than they should. John Lithgow.
• 34:16
  Speaker 9: I think he needs to be appreciated.
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: Anyway.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: Sorry.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: We're talking about Greg.
• 34:22
  Speaker 9: Greg.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know.
• 34:23
  Speaker 9: There was something about him doing that role that sort of... He.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Really.
• 34:29
  Speaker 9: carries it so much better than I would have expected
• 34:32
  Speaker 9: coming from his dorky TV background that I was just like,
• 34:35
  Speaker 9: I didn't know that he could pull a... Because again,
• 34:37
  Speaker 9: he has to play this super dramatic, even if we're
• 34:41
  Speaker 9: occasionally responding as though it's funny.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody had to keep a straight face through it
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: and commit to it.
• 34:47
  Speaker 9: He has to pull that off, which I think he
• 34:49
  Speaker 9: does really well. He also does something I never would
• 34:52
  Speaker 9: have expected as this dorky little kid on the TV
• 34:55
  Speaker 9: show is He's kind of a badass. And he's still
• 34:59
  Speaker 9: the dorky little kid, but he finds a way to
• 35:02
  Speaker 9: still carry himself where when he's smacking down the druggie
• 35:07
  Speaker 9: in the parking lot, you buy it. And even more,
• 35:09
  Speaker 9: the time that I laughed was when he starts talking
• 35:13
  Speaker 9: shit to the football kid and just– he's a scrapper,
• 35:18
  Speaker 9: you know? It's like he does not back down. And
• 35:21
  Speaker 9: by the end, when he just belts him, yeah, I
• 35:24
  Speaker 9: thought that was the most awesome thing I think I'd
• 35:27
  Speaker 9: ever seen. When he just, yeah, he does not put
• 35:30
  Speaker 9: up with his shit and then continues to just not
• 35:33
  Speaker 9: go down. He just keeps coming back for more and
• 35:35
  Speaker 9: eventually beats him. That's just awesome.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: You know, a lot of time about overthrowing people like
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: that is about... one upping them at the thing they're
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: good at. And that's what he does. He's, he's cool
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: enough and smart enough to realize this guy's thing is,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: you know, barking louder than, Than everybody else. So I'm
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: going to bark louder than him. And he pulls it off.
• 36:00
  Speaker 9: Yeah, just calling him on it. And, you know, again,
• 36:02
  Speaker 9: with most people that, you know, have to be a
• 36:04
  Speaker 9: badass and pick on everybody else, it's like usually all
• 36:07
  Speaker 9: you have to do is call him on it.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: That's the thing that carries that movie is making those
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: interactions credible and they're observed well enough rather than just
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: illustrated and you get the idea. They make it convincing.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:23
  Speaker 9: I think that's what, yeah. Cause even in that, it's
• 36:25
  Speaker 9: like in a different circumstance, I'd be like, yeah, right.
• 36:28
  Speaker 9: But there's something about the way he plays that kid
• 36:31
  Speaker 9: that I'm like, no, he did it. He just beat
• 36:34
  Speaker 9: that dude.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Same thing.
• 36:36
  Speaker 9: Oh my. The other one I think is awesome is him.
• 36:38
  Speaker 9: Like when the guy comes at him with a knife
• 36:42
  Speaker 9: and again, him just kind of thinking on his feet
• 36:44
  Speaker 9: and like he, he continually like bests everyone that comes
• 36:47
  Speaker 9: at him and he gets his ass beat throughout this
• 36:50
  Speaker 9: movie as it goes on. But it's like, he's, again, like, like,
• 36:53
  Speaker 9: you know, your normal character in one of these noir stories,
• 36:57
  Speaker 9: they take a beating, but he, he hangs in there
• 37:00
  Speaker 9: and like, he keeps at it, you know, no matter what.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Do you think, um, the weight of death of the
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: death was handled as, as well as it should be?
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, do you feel the tone of the importance of, Hey,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: somebody died is, is, is carried, even though it is
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: kind of funny throughout the movie, you know.
• 37:22
  Speaker 9: In a way, I think it, to me, that part felt, again,
• 37:27
  Speaker 9: referencing different movies, it felt a lot like River's Edge. Like,
• 37:32
  Speaker 9: it really was one of those, this should be a
• 37:35
  Speaker 9: big deal, but these kids are so messed up, they're
• 37:38
  Speaker 9: just kind of like, huh, I don't know how to
• 37:40
  Speaker 9: feel about that, you know? It's like, he was upset
• 37:42
  Speaker 9: about her, but he seemed like everybody else just sort
• 37:45
  Speaker 9: of got over it really fast.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 37:47
  Speaker 9: And then, you know, just dealt with the other stuff
• 37:50
  Speaker 9: at hand. So I think it was more of that
• 37:52
  Speaker 9: that I took from it is like these kids, there's
• 37:54
  Speaker 9: so much stuff going on. They're so like caught up
• 37:57
  Speaker 9: in their own little world and desensitized everything to the
• 38:00
  Speaker 9: point where, you know, their friend gets killed and they're
• 38:02
  Speaker 9: just like, well, okay. You know, that happened to her,
• 38:06
  Speaker 9: but I've got this to worry about.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: I think that's why he's able to get at everybody
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: else is because it is more important to him. He
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: does see the weight of it and he wants to,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: in a way, honor her and her death or whatever
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: by completing it. And so therefore he's, he's already got
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: them beat.
• 38:29
  Speaker 9: And that's, I think, I guess, especially by the end,
• 38:31
  Speaker 9: I realized that was also kind of the drive because
• 38:34
  Speaker 9: he was also sort of pissed at her, you know,
• 38:36
  Speaker 9: I mean, she, she'd kind of screwed him over and
• 38:38
  Speaker 9: went off and left him for this world that she
• 38:41
  Speaker 9: was involved in basically. And you get that little flashback
• 38:45
  Speaker 9: and she's like, I'm in a different world now and
• 38:47
  Speaker 9: you can't beat it is what she says. And it's
• 38:49
  Speaker 9: almost like this, challenge of even when she's gone yeah
• 38:54
  Speaker 9: i can or i'm going to do my damnedest to
• 38:58
  Speaker 9: one-up everybody that's in your little world because you told
• 39:01
  Speaker 9: me i couldn't and i yeah i think that I
• 39:04
  Speaker 9: don't know, that seemed like a really driving force to
• 39:06
  Speaker 9: me that's never really spoken otherwise. But I think it
• 39:09
  Speaker 9: very much that, you know, you can't beat... You, you know,
• 39:13
  Speaker 9: our relationship isn't strong enough to beat this world that
• 39:15
  Speaker 9: I'm in. And he's like, fuck that, I'll still do it.
• 39:18
  Speaker 9: Even when you're gone, I'm still going to follow through
• 39:20
  Speaker 9: with this.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's a little bit like the motivating force
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: in The Vanishing.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Which is very credible, and it makes.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: i mean it makes a character who you only see
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: for maybe five minutes like loom large in the movie
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: just because um it's a question of you know whether
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: you're abandoning you're going to abandon.
• 39:46
  Speaker 9: Them or not Yeah, I think it becomes more about
• 39:48
  Speaker 9: that idea because it's almost in her best interest that
• 39:52
  Speaker 9: we don't see more scenes with her. Because the ones
• 39:54
  Speaker 9: I do, I'm like, she's not worth all this trouble.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: She's not a.
• 39:58
  Speaker 9: Good character at all.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: We don't care about her.
• 40:00
  Speaker 21: No.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: We don't care that she's dead. I mean, as the viewer.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: And we don't care.
• 40:06
  Speaker 9: And it seems like a real relationship because there are
• 40:08
  Speaker 9: those people you know or have been in this situation
• 40:11
  Speaker 9: where after the fact you look at it and go,
• 40:14
  Speaker 9: What was I so enamored with? You know, why did
• 40:16
  Speaker 9: I stick with that for as long as I did
• 40:18
  Speaker 9: when really they weren't a good person or there was
• 40:21
  Speaker 9: nothing there? Or, you know, why was I so caught
• 40:24
  Speaker 9: up in what was going on?
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Who did I think they were?
• 40:27
  Speaker 9: Yeah, a little distance and you're just like, oh, God.
• 40:30
  Speaker 9: You're like, why did I want to have anything to
• 40:32
  Speaker 9: do with any of what was going on there?
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: You know, people get blind to the ideal person. And
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: obtaining that ideal.
• 40:41
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: And don't even pay attention to the reality of whatever
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: that prize is.
• 40:47
  Speaker 9: That's what I thought was kind of cool in this
• 40:49
  Speaker 9: little back and forth between all the other characters. Because
• 40:53
  Speaker 9: it's like all the other characters saw her for who
• 40:55
  Speaker 9: she really was. And how messed up she was. And how, like,
• 40:59
  Speaker 9: it was. You know, that's why I think some of
• 41:01
  Speaker 9: them aren't as upset either.
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 41:02
  Speaker 9: Because they're like, well, we saw this coming. Where she's
• 41:05
  Speaker 9: still sort of this ideal thing in his mind.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:08
  Speaker 9: And that, you know, true love that won't go away. And,
• 41:11
  Speaker 9: you know, he hasn't been around her for a while.
• 41:14
  Speaker 9: And then all of a sudden she's just destroyed. So
• 41:16
  Speaker 9: I think there is, yeah, I think that's part of
• 41:20
  Speaker 9: what I think.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: That's all very, very credible.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Because, I mean, whenever anybody really cares about anybody, you
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: can always go, well, why? I mean, there's a thousand
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: other people anywhere you go.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, why?
• 41:33
  Speaker 9: And usually after the fact, your friends were like, yeah,
• 41:36
  Speaker 9: we didn't really see it at all. You know, afterwards,
• 41:40
  Speaker 9: you're always like, yeah, we didn't want to tell you, but...
• 41:43
  Speaker 9: So I think that has that real feel, too, that
• 41:46
  Speaker 9: everybody else around him sees her for who she really is,
• 41:49
  Speaker 9: and he's blind to it.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: He's blind to it, but then, I don't know. I mean,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: that's always how it is. I mean, nobody's really that
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: great anyway.
• 41:58
  Speaker 9: But if you thought that, why would you be with them?
• 42:01
  Speaker 9: So you do have to be in that mindset of...
• 42:04
  Speaker 9: of there is something that keeps me with this person.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: There's something about them that means something to you and,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: and you can't help it.
• 42:13
  Speaker 21: Definitely.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: And that, that thing about, you know, how he keeps
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: winning is he cares more.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: That's so true.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm, uh, the only like experience I have
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: with fighting and violence goes back to that period of,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: time in my life, and really, you did not want
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: to be in a fight with somebody when they were
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: more angry than you were. I mean, you needed to
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: be able to be mad, because, I mean, you can't
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: be in a fight when you don't want.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: To hurt somebody. You're going to lose. Well, the other
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: thing is... You have to be strongly motivated. You don't
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: want to... be in a fight with someone who has
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: nothing to lose.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: And you don't want to be in a fight with
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: has a great amount to lose. Yeah. Both, both at
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: the same time.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 43:00
  Speaker 9: Well, that's again, back to what we'd said weeks ago
• 43:05
  Speaker 9: on the, on the funny games.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:08
  Speaker 9: That was that same thing. I was like, when you
• 43:10
  Speaker 9: don't care about anything, you're also kind of powerful. So
• 43:13
  Speaker 9: to this, you know, with him, it's like when she
• 43:16
  Speaker 9: was the only thing he cared about, now all of
• 43:18
  Speaker 9: a sudden you see this change in him and he's
• 43:20
  Speaker 9: not that clean cut kid he is in the flashbacks
• 43:22
  Speaker 9: he doesn't care so he's gonna talk shit to the
• 43:25
  Speaker 9: football player because the only thing he had he's the
• 43:28
  Speaker 9: only thing i loved is what he says to her
• 43:30
  Speaker 9: it's like you take that away at that point he's
• 43:32
  Speaker 9: kind of like fuck it you know it's just like
• 43:34
  Speaker 9: i will immerse myself in the middle of this and
• 43:37
  Speaker 9: if i get killed in the process who cares because
• 43:39
  Speaker 9: the only thing i cared about is gone now so
• 43:42
  Speaker 9: it is sort of that power of you know once
• 43:44
  Speaker 9: you don't care once you take away your inhibitions because
• 43:48
  Speaker 9: you know there's nothing left for you yeah it kind
• 43:50
  Speaker 9: of makes you powerful in a weird twisted way.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah there's a lot of truth and in that movie
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: and in the the noir genre in general did i
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: say in general the.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Genre in general the genre in general.
• 44:08
  Speaker 9: It is fun how much it it finds a way
• 44:11
  Speaker 9: to tie in so much. The first thing I notice
• 44:14
  Speaker 9: is those loafers he's wearing. I'm like, no high school kid,
• 44:20
  Speaker 9: maybe a few in the theater department, but no normal
• 44:23
  Speaker 9: kid like he is would ever be wearing those kind
• 44:26
  Speaker 9: of shoes, but a gumshoe in the 40s would be
• 44:29
  Speaker 9: wearing those scuffed up loafers. I thought that was kind
• 44:33
  Speaker 9: of a cool little touch to it.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: My freshman year in high school, we couldn't wear tennis
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: shoes anymore. And everyone else had Eastlands then. That was
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: when they were the craze. And I intentionally didn't want Eastlands.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: And my mom said, well, you're going to have to
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: buy something. And I just wouldn't go out and buy
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: because I didn't want to make that commitment. And she
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: came home with a pair of heavy penny loafers, black.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: And I hated them at the time. But then there
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: was a friend of mine later in life. He said...
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: you know what I always liked about you? You didn't
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: wear the Eastland and you wore those big, awful penny
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: loafers and you didn't care.
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: And I was like, I.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Did care. But I'm not going to let you know that.
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: That's awesome.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: So, yeah. I mean, it's amazing one of those wins
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: that you get by default and you don't realize it.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:36
  Speaker 9: So.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Definitely.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Anyway, so I was one of the kids that would
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: wear the loafers.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: That reminds me of a guy I used to work
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: with who, uh, he said he and his roommate, like,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: were slobs, but they were setting up a birthday party
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: for a friend, and they were hiring strippers. And so
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: they start cleaning up the place.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Because strippers were coming over. Yeah. We're going to have
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: this thing. Strippers are coming. I'll take the bathroom.
• 46:02
  Speaker 19: You do the.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: And they clean up.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: And the guy, he was kind of a jerk on
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: I had trouble relating to him. He told me, before
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: I ever saw the South Park movie, I believe he
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: told me the entire thing orally, but laughing all the
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: way through it, so I couldn't understand what he was saying.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: But he had the strippers come over, and then midway
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: through the evening, he said, Oh.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Look, this chick only has three fingers on her hand.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, dude, that's so rude when somebody's naked
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: to point out something.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: They're imperfectionists. He was like, oh, she didn't care. She's
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: not going to act like she cares. She's the one
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: to get paid. Yeah, you're a jerk, man.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: And he was telling me, he read War and Peace.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: He said, I just couldn't take that one annoying guy.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: I'm like, Pierre? What? Yeah, that guy. He just got
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: on my nerves. He was so annoying. He was a
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: funny guy. He was from Louisville.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: He had straight black hair, and he wore big foreign
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: student glasses.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: He looked like the Japanese.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Guy on Gilligan's Island who didn't know the war was over.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: And for some reason in college, he took Mandarin. That
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: was his thing. But he couldn't understand. People always thought
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: he was a foreign student. And they would speak to him, and.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: He said, I don't get it. Why do people always
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: think that? And I'm like, I didn't want to tell him.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: I think it's the foreign student glasses.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: But he spoke Mandarin.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: He was out at a bar one night, and some
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: guy was saying he had these instructions in Chinese, and
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: he needed them translated. And he's like, yeah, I can
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: do that. I can do that for you. And then
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: the guy's wife leans over and says, how long have
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: you been in this country?
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: He's like, about 26 years.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: I'm beginning to learn your ways. It really frustrated him,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: but I could never just bust out and tell him, dude,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: it's the look. And he met Lynn once. He came
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: back from lunch, and he said, I think I met
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: your wife, but I don't know what I did, man.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm sorry, whatever. And he mumbled, too.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: So I hear his side of the story.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: He meets my wife. She was at Mid-City Mall with
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: the kids. He walks up and says, oh, hi, are
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: you Fred's wife? And he doesn't know.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: She seems confused.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: But I piece together the dialogue from hearing both versions
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: of it and what happened.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: I asked her, did you meet this guy?
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: She's like, no, there was some foreign student came up
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: and asked me if I spoke French. And I didn't really,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: but I don't know. I couldn't really help him. I
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: couldn't understand what he was saying. So what he said was, hi,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: are you Fred's wife? And she thought he said, do
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: you speak French?
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: And she said, no. really a little bit. Can I
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: help you?
• 49:25
  Speaker 9: She says that every time someone asks, really? I mean, truthfully,
• 49:30
  Speaker 9: a little bit, a little bit.
• 49:31
  Speaker 19: Really?
• 49:32
  Speaker 9: Can I help you?
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: So anyway, that's that, that story.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: It reminds me because I don't know, uh, the guy
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: seems like he could have walked into the world of
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: brick and found a place somewhere in there.
• 49:48
  Speaker 9: Next to brain.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 49:50
  Speaker 19: Yeah.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Does everybody have that super smart friend?
• 49:53
  Speaker 9: I think so.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: I don't have one. That's not fair. I want my
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: super smart friend.
• 49:57
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 49:58
  Speaker 9: Well, I just like, again, it felt very noir that,
• 50:01
  Speaker 9: you know, there's always that guy that they go to
• 50:03
  Speaker 9: that gets them what they need or that is their
• 50:05
  Speaker 9: connection and is the information and, So he just sort
• 50:08
  Speaker 9: of fit all of these kind of crammed into one guy.
• 50:11
  Speaker 9: And then you definitely have the femme fatale.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: You're quite a pill.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Uh-uh.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Where are you going?
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: Home.
• 50:21
  Speaker 22: Why'd you take a powder the other night?
• 50:23
  Speaker 19: Same reason I'm taking one now.
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: Hold it.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: I want to help you.
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: Go away.
• 50:32
  Speaker 18: Look, I can't trust you. You ought to be smart
• 50:34
  Speaker 18: enough to know that. I didn't shake up the party
• 50:36
  Speaker 18: to get your attention, and I'm not healing you to
• 50:38
  Speaker 18: hook you. Your connections could help me, but the bad
• 50:42
  Speaker 18: baggage they bring and make it zero-sum gain, or even
• 50:44
  Speaker 18: hurt me. Better off coming at it clean.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have to lead you in by the hand.
• 50:49
  Speaker 18: I can't trust you.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: Brad was a sap. You weren't. You're with him, so
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: you're playing him. So you're a player.
• 50:56
  Speaker 18: If you're behind me, I'd have to tie one eye
• 50:58
  Speaker 18: up watching both of your hands.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: I can't spare it.
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: You're not Brad. I don't know.
• 51:04
  Speaker 9: Yeah. Laura definitely is, but you've even got those other ones.
• 51:08
  Speaker 9: You've got, like, the theater girl that's, like, the past
• 51:11
  Speaker 9: flame Femme Fatale thrown in as, like.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: An extra little deal to mess with.
• 51:16
  Speaker 9: Oh, yeah. That's the one, like, all the scenes with her,
• 51:19
  Speaker 9: I was like, that's the drama. No pun intended since
• 51:23
  Speaker 9: she's in the drama department. But I'm just like, she
• 51:26
  Speaker 9: is the kind of girl that is in everybody's high school.
• 51:29
  Speaker 9: And everything about her really is, like, drama.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:32
  Speaker 9: And she knows it, and she likes it, and kind
• 51:35
  Speaker 9: of feeds off of it and toys with other people.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: She stirs stuff up.
• 51:39
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and that's the part that I was like, this
• 51:42
  Speaker 9: kind of stuff is going on in different degrees, not
• 51:44
  Speaker 9: quite as exaggerated, but that stuff is all going on
• 51:48
  Speaker 9: in every high school.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: And what I remember about her, that type, in my experience,
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: is she's always stirring up drama, and it somehow, it like,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: She's like that person who doesn't get in wrecks, but
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: she causes them.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: You know, she's through.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: The intersection when the other cars hit each other. But
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: then she gets other people caught.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Up in it, and they do it, and they get burned.
• 52:17
  Speaker 9: Oh, of course. That's her job.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like her friends will start to get in
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: on it and try and stir up stuff.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, and it'll burn.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Bite them in the ass because they don't know how
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: to cause drama without.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: It sticking to them.
• 52:33
  Speaker 9: Being swept up in it.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of truth in that character.
• 52:37
  Speaker 9: And the other one I thought, the character that I
• 52:39
  Speaker 9: was like, okay, now it's so much, I mean, it's
• 52:43
  Speaker 9: so hitting every beat of the noir kind of thing.
• 52:48
  Speaker 9: The vice principal guy is, he's the cop.
• 52:52
  Speaker 10: We know you're clean. And you've.
• 52:57
  Speaker 22: Despite your motives, you've always been an asset to this office.
• 53:01
  Speaker 22: And you're a good kid.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
• 53:07
  Speaker 10: I want to run some names past you. Hold it.
• 53:11
  Speaker 10: We're not done here.
• 53:11
  Speaker 19: I was done here three months ago. I told you
• 53:13
  Speaker 19: then I'd give you Jer, and that was that. I'm
• 53:15
  Speaker 19: not your inside line, and I'm not your boy.
• 53:17
  Speaker 10: That's not very... You know what I'm in if the
• 53:19
  Speaker 10: wrong Yegg saw me pulled in here?
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: What are you in?
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: No.
• 53:24
  Speaker 19: And no more of these informal chats either. You got
• 53:26
  Speaker 19: a discipline issue with me? Write me up or suspend me.
• 53:30
  Speaker 19: I'll see you at the parent conference.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: Hold on.
• 53:33
  Speaker 22: I could write you up for talking back to a VP.
• 53:36
  Speaker 22: And for looking at me in that threatening way. I
• 53:40
  Speaker 22: would exercise a little tact, Mr.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Fry.
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: You can't pull a.
• 53:44
  Speaker 10: Stunt like that unless there's something I need you for.
• 53:48
  Speaker 10: So is there?
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Maybe.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Maybe.
• 53:53
  Speaker 10: Maybe there's something you need from me.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: Maybe.
• 53:57
  Speaker 19: All right, I need you off my back completely for
• 54:03
  Speaker 19: the next few weeks. There might be some heat soon.
• 54:05
  Speaker 10: If it's something I can't cover, I won't go to
• 54:08
  Speaker 10: bat for you.
• 54:09
  Speaker 19: If I get caught like that, it's curtains anyway. I
• 54:11
  Speaker 19: can't have brass cutting me favors in public. Just letting
• 54:14
  Speaker 19: you know now so you don't come kicking in my
• 54:15
  Speaker 19: homeroom door once trouble starts.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: Okay, here's what I can do.
• 54:25
  Speaker 10: I won't pin you for anything you aren't caught at.
• 54:27
  Speaker 10: But if anything comes up with your prints on it,
• 54:29
  Speaker 10: I can't help you. Also, if I get to the
• 54:31
  Speaker 10: bottom of whatever this is, and it gets too hot,
• 54:35
  Speaker 10: and you don't deliver, we're going to need someone to
• 54:37
  Speaker 10: turn over, police-wise.
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: I'll have you.
• 54:43
  Speaker 10: So there better be some meat at the end of this,
• 54:44
  Speaker 10: like you say. Or at least a fall guy.
• 54:48
  Speaker 9: He has him in his office. He's giving him that,
• 54:51
  Speaker 9: you've got the goods on me, and we're going to
• 54:54
  Speaker 9: use you. I won't come down on you. I mean,
• 54:56
  Speaker 9: it's almost word for word what every cop behind a
• 54:59
  Speaker 9: desk gives our hero in every movie. It's like he's
• 55:03
  Speaker 9: playing the cop role. And the whole thing, it's like
• 55:06
  Speaker 9: the way that they present it is like, I'm going
• 55:08
  Speaker 9: to tell the police this in a noir movie, and
• 55:12
  Speaker 9: I'm going to tell the principal about you in this movie.
• 55:14
  Speaker 9: But it's exactly the same. I thought that was kind
• 55:17
  Speaker 9: of well done, and again, just sort of meshing these
• 55:21
  Speaker 9: worlds into this weird little combination.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: And that's what makes you laugh, is when you see those, oh, that's...
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: It's that.
• 55:31
  Speaker 9: Well, there's that story stuff, and then I was just
• 55:34
  Speaker 9: going to go into how impressed I was with ryan
• 55:37
  Speaker 9: johnson direction wise especially for his first movie oh yeah
• 55:41
  Speaker 9: this this was his first feature it's.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Well it's so well done for a guy who doesn't
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: know how to spell his own name it's just amazing.
• 55:51
  Speaker 9: Take that ryan yeah but yeah i mean there's so
• 55:54
  Speaker 9: many different shots along the way that i'm like that's
• 55:57
  Speaker 9: really creative and again maybe it's because he's so early
• 56:01
  Speaker 9: on it's like sometimes maybe you have those ideas caught
• 56:04
  Speaker 9: up and You haven't worked in a studio system long
• 56:06
  Speaker 9: enough for them to beat the originality out of you.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:10
  Speaker 9: So, yeah.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Well, and two, just once you have more money, sometimes
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: it's hard.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: You have too many options.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: It becomes like shopping, and shopping takes the creativity out
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: I don't always like to have too much money. Yeah,
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: me neither.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: I've just heard from people who talk about recording back
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: in the old days, And they would have to get
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: creative and do things to get the sound they want.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: And now that you can just do anything you want,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: it's not the same. It doesn't engage your creativity in
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: the same way. Just to go, oh, well, let's tweak
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: these knobs this way or let's tweak these knobs the
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: other way. And so a lot of early recordings have
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: a kind of charm to them that's.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Hard to imitate. when it gets to this easy think
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: about like when you talk about sound like when you
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: when you talk about somebody that's playing with sound that
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: we take for granted now think about the things that
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: phil specter was doing with music that it wasn't genius
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: as far as what was written or or the musicality
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: of it but the sound that Do you mean the
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: wall of sound?
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 57:33
  Speaker 9: That sound?
• 57:35
  Speaker 15: And it was.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, that wasn't just, well, we're going to do
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: this now. That was like a mad scientist type of,
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: I've got an idea. There was never anything before that.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: And you hear those songs now, especially like when, what's
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: the Christmas one that comes on that was the Ronnie Spector?
• 58:00
  Speaker 9: Anyway.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: But when you hear that, you're like, oh. And it's
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: got that distinct sound. You could press a button and
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: have that sound now, but back then you couldn't do that.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: You had to layer and layer and layer. Whatever happened
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: to his noir drama?
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: That was a noir drama.
• 58:19
  Speaker 9: That was a noir drama.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: What happened to him? Did he get off? I believe
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: he did.
• 58:26
  Speaker 9: I don't even remember at this point.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: But he is the mad scientist.
• 58:32
  Speaker 9: He is. Look at his hair.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: I get you. I'm being bad with derailing tonight. I'm sorry.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: Or good with it, depending on how you.
• 58:45
  Speaker 9: Well, I think it is. It does sort of make
• 58:47
  Speaker 9: you more creative when you have to be that way.
• 58:50
  Speaker 9: When you don't have any way or anybody else there
• 58:53
  Speaker 9: to help you. When you're like, okay, I've got to
• 58:55
  Speaker 9: figure out how to... transition from this scene to that
• 58:58
  Speaker 9: scene or i've got to show the passage of time
• 59:01
  Speaker 9: and instead of you know some elaborate montage i'm just
• 59:04
  Speaker 9: gonna sit on the clock as it switches over to
• 59:08
  Speaker 9: hours later and go on with that.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: About some of those things like he filmed some of
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: the scenes.
• 59:14
  Speaker 9: Backwards yeah yeah some of the again especially when he
• 59:17
  Speaker 9: gets into the weird like dream scenes you see a.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: Car coming yeah when the camera comes in front of.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: It they did that by Reversing the car away from
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: the camera.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, really clever stuff.
• 59:29
  Speaker 9: And the kind of in-the-camera kind of stuff because you
• 59:33
  Speaker 9: don't have to pay for that. It's sort of playing
• 59:35
  Speaker 9: with what you have at your disposal, which is not
• 59:38
  Speaker 9: that much at this point. I mean, it took him,
• 59:40
  Speaker 9: I think, six years to get funding for this. Like,
• 59:43
  Speaker 9: he wrote it. that far back and then spent six
• 59:47
  Speaker 9: years trying to get money to put all this together.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: Some of it was like family money they came into
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: and that got other people to invest in the pressure
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: on him you know must have been pretty intense.
• 59:58
  Speaker 9: Yeah so for him to deliver something that's still this
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 9: tight and this everything about it is still pretty impressive
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 9: as far as i'm concerned that that's that's especially since
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 9: you see and this is probably a good example of
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 9: what happens when you get more money? I mean, he
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 9: followed this up with the brothers bloom, which I don't
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 9: think is near as good. And now he's working with
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 9: Oscar nominated actors and like, you know, I'm sure they're
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 9: throwing tons of money at him compared to this movie.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 9: I mean, maybe not versus huge blockbusters, but compared to
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 9: this movie, I mean, he's got a hell of a
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 9: lot more money to work with, but to me it
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 9: doesn't hold up the same. There are good performances and
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 9: there's fun stuff in there, But there's something missing about it.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 9: El Mariachi.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 9: Yeah, kind of that same thing.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: Very similar thing.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 9: Something different there.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: The early one was so creative and had that comic
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: book sensibility.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: It was so good, and then they remade it. I
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: was like, what is this?
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 9: It's too polished for its own good sometimes. This just
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 9: kind of falls right in that spot where it's kind
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 9: of got everything... working the way it needs to and
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 9: isn't cluttered by you know what comes with doing huge
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 9: movies i guess but yeah this i don't know there's
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 9: just just the way that he shoots it i think
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 9: the uh you do notice like watching it how many
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 9: of these upshots he does and how much he bothers
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 9: to put ceilings and you know he sort of boxes
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 9: the characters in in ways that a lot of movies
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 9: don't do it's It's something you don't see in a
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 9: lot of movies, especially like mainstream movies. You don't see
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 9: the ceiling in a room. And the fact that he
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 9: bothers to do that, it's very Citizen Kane-like. But even that,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 9: it's sort of imposing. And it does kind of show
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 9: what the character is in. He's sort of boxed into
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 9: this situation. And it sort of adds attention to it
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 9: that I don't think you would have in a normal
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 9: straight shot. So again, I think it's just creative in
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 9: that point, but I think that is a little bit
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 9: of planning too, that he really did think about what
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 9: the shots are saying about the movie itself, the character.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 9: I think, yeah, I think it's just, just well put
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 9: together visually. And again, has a little, to me, another
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 9: little winch touch to it. That whole plastic bag thing
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 9: is very linty.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 9: It's very, especially, I mean, dead girl by the water side.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 9: That's Twin Peaks wrapped in plastic. That's Twin Peaks. So
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 9: it's like he definitely, again, it's not that weird way.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 9: But some of those weird dream sequences have a little
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 9: touch to that. Yeah, you can definitely see a little
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 9: lynch in him.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: Lynch pen.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: Lynch and pen.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 5: Good job.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: Good job. Brian's saying no, but I'm saying good job.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 9: I did like, again, we referenced the Peanuts thing. The
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 9: other thing I thought that was almost very cartoon-like in
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 9: this is they all have the same outfits on.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 9: At least the guys. The girls, I guess, change because
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 9: they're girls. But, like, our main character is in that
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 9: same outfit for days on end or has a whole
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 9: closet full of them, you know, Einstein-like.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: It's got the Scooby-Doo quality.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it does have.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: Or the Jimmy Herman, you know.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 9: But, like, the pin is always in that outfit. Tug
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 9: is always in that outfit. It's like every, you know, character,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 9: even the jock guy is always in his little football outfit.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 9: It's like, you know, everything is like, it is. It's
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 9: almost like a little cartoon character. world that they live
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 9: in and it's like everything goes on.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: Shaggy's green shirt. Even at the point Fred's ascot.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 9: He's still wearing that coat. Even at the point the
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 9: guy slices it open he's got a piece of duct
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 9: tape on it. He continues on with the story. I
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 9: am not getting rid of this outfit.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: That's great.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 21: I don't know.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 9: I just think there's so many things that are well
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 9: done in it and I think.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: It's a highly recommended must-watch. I've recommended it to many
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: people since I first saw it.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: It's the kind of movie you can watch twice within
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: the first year you see it.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 9: It's just you've got to get over that hurdle of
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 9: the speech. I think that would turn off a good
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 9: amount of people. But if you're okay with that, it's
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 9: just so... tightly put together, and the performances are so good,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 9: even as weird as they are sometimes, Tug's a weird character.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: It's easy to miss little things in the speech. If
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: you go back, I watched Maltese Falcon with my kid,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: and you have to kind of get keyed up to follow,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: because they'll just spit it out, and you.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: Have to keep up. They don't care whether you get
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: it or not.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 9: Yeah you're in their world you know they are in
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 9: their own little world and everybody within that understands it
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 9: so you just you're kind of playing catch up as
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 9: you get thrown into it and you're like wait oh
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 9: okay I see what they're doing hold.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: On so yeah the fat man in that was a
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: pretty weird dude too he was always asking what kind
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: of a man are you are you this kind of
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: a man I don't like that kind of man I
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: like a kind of.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: A man what.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 9: Bizarre But yeah, they definitely draw... Actually, one of the
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 9: lines is straight out of Maltese Falcon. I think, what
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 9: was it? The dangerous line? Yeah, when he's talking to Laura,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 9: he's like, now your dangerous line is straight out of
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 9: Maltese Falcon.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 9: And even the little horn signal that he tells her
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 9: in the car, the long, short, long, short, is the
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 9: same doorbell signal that he tells her in Maltese Falcon.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 9: So it's very obviously... pulling from that it's not pretending
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 9: like it doesn't know what it's doing it's directly sort
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 9: of referencing that to again I think bring you in
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 9: on the joke if it's a joke if it's a
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 9: joke I don't even know that it.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: Is it's just it's its own little world and I
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: think it's just that and as long as you're okay
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: with that yeah I think it's really well put together
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: I think there are enough just clearly funny things in
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: it that it lets you know that It's not unconsciously
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: open to humor.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: It's just not playing toward it. I think, I don't know.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: I'm still hung up. I love the movie. I don't
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: want to get negative about it. But I still have
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: this unsettled, this is so unrealistic. It's so stylized. But
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: real bad guys would come in and kill these kids
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: right away. You know, you're not going to mess around
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: with heroin.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 9: Which bad guys are we talking about? The pen?
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: No, I mean.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 9: He's far from an organized bad guy.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: I mean real criminals that you don't see in this movie.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: Real drug dealers. Real gangsters.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 9: Oh, somebody up the line from the pen?
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 14: Okay.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: Are going to come in and say, you little kids, wah, wah, wah.
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  Speaker 9: I think we just didn't get to that point. And
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 9: it didn't matter because... They took care of the problem themselves.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: And maybe they're all so small-time anyway.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 9: I think that's why they were so worried is, again,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 9: somewhere up the line, somebody's going to have to pay,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 9: probably with their life, whether it be the pin or
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 9: tug or whoever. I think somebody's going to be responsible
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 9: for that, and that's probably why they're at each other's
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 9: throats by the end there. I think we just didn't
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 9: get to that point.
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  Speaker 2: I guess that's it.
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  Speaker 9: I just.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: We get to that point in Blue Velvet where her
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: dad arrives on the scene at the last minute and
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: he looks around. Okay. And I always thought that was
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: such an interesting moment.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: Because you're not.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: Sure about him, what exactly is going on and who
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: he's connected with.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: And he comes in and he looks around.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: Alright then, everybody who I need to worry about is dead,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: so no need to get into this.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 9: Done with this one, alright.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: I'm going to play this straight like I'm a cop,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: because that's what's left.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 9: Well, I think on this movie, I saw someone's response
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 9: to it later that was like, this is a smart movie,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 9: maybe too smart for its own good.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 19: Yeah.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 9: Which, I don't know if that's what you're thinking. I don't, again,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 9: to me, that almost goes back to, again, Funny Games.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 9: Funny Games had that, we're going to wink at the camera,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 9: and we know, I mean, there's so much on that
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 9: one where they're shoving it in your face. how smart
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 9: they are and how much they're playing with you. I
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 9: don't think this movie ever does that. I think it's smart,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 9: but at the same time, it knows... It still works
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 9: as a movie. It knows how to... I mean, it
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 9: plays it so straight. It never really winks at the camera, ever.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: It plays.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 9: It knows it's its own little world, and it kind
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 9: of gives you that option of, if you're on board
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 9: with it, if you want to get over that and
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 9: come into the story, it sort of immerses you into
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 9: their little world that they exist in.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 9: And from that point on... I think, you know, you
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 9: just sort of go along with the ride. And if
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 9: you're cool with it, it's a pretty good ride. Yeah.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: No, no, it's, no, it's, it's, yeah, it's great in that. No,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: if you're going to funny games is preachy.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: It's like, he's telling you something. And the thing that
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: finally doesn't work for me, I keep.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry to interrupt.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: Go ahead.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: You're not interrupting.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 16: Go.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: I want to hear it.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: Well, just when you get to the end and they
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: throw her out of the boat and they're like, Oh, well,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: there was still an hour to go.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: And, Yeah, actually, I was kind of getting hungry. Who
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: does that sound like?
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: That sounds like me sitting on the sofa watching a movie.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: That doesn't work, though. It doesn't work because the nervous
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: system of the movie, it doesn't carry back to the
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: beginning of the movie.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: It's manipulative.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: I can see how it's a commentary on a movie.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't work for me as a movie because
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: it doesn't earn where it goes.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 9: It's very manipulative. I will give it credit for doing
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 9: some things good, but it's massively manipulative.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: I enjoy watching it. It just doesn't add up for me.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: There were some scenes where my mouth was open. I
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: was like, you did a pretty good job.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 9: There's some great stuff.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: But it's the director going... I'm doing a pretty good
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: job of this. Look at this shot. And you still
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: don't understand. That's the part that I don't like.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing that I don't like, or the way
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: I would put the thing that I don't like, is
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: it's like in Pulp Fiction.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: It's like Tarantino. It's like, don't Jimmy me. There's nothing
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: you're going to tell me.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: There's no commentary he's going to make about movies that
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: is so insightful or brilliant that it's going to make
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: me forget that.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: I love my wife. There's nothing he's... I'm the one
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: that buys the fucking coffee.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: I buy the coffee and I buy the good shit
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: because I want to taste it.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: That's what it's like for me.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: I resist it and I kind of reject it because
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: it doesn't convince me. And then in the end, it's
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: like he's characterizing the audience.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: And it's like, no, dude, you don't get to do that.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: You haven't earned that.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 9: I don't think this ever does that. It's like this one,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 9: the only thing that would fall into that category is,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 9: aside from the dialogue, it gets cute in the way
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 9: that it is. But again, it's just knowingly accepting what
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 9: it is. But aside from that, the plot never gets cute,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 9: never tries to do anything other than tell a story.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 9: And I think that's what works so well.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: It sticks to its business.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 9: It doesn't try to rope you into anything else. It's
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 9: just like, this is the story we're telling and this
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 9: is the way we're going to go about telling it.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 9: But from there on out, it's, it's just a straightforward
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 9: story and one that works pretty good.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: No, I, I, I love the way he dealt with
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: time in the film. I love the way, no, everything
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: about it is, um, is, is, as perfect as you're
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: going to get in a movie. I'm not saying it's
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: a perfect movie, but it's as perfect as you're going
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: to get.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 9: It's pretty impressive for... I mean, just for a movie
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 9: in general, and especially for somebody on their first feature,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 9: it's still kind of amazing that it comes together this well.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 9: And even something as simple as the music plays in
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 9: really well, which his cousin did.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 19: Again.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 9: being broke it's like his cousin writes music and it's
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 9: like he was you know here do this and it's
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 9: like this weird like sometimes it's just piano and sometimes
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 9: it's this really tense little plinking of keys and then
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 9: other times it's like the fight kicks in at the
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 9: end and there's like blaring trumpets going on like it's
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 9: very kind of eclectic with all the different stuff that
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 9: they throw in and yet it gives it its own
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 9: sort of signature sound and works really well with the
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 9: tension in the where it needs it and I don't
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 9: know I think even just as well pieced together as
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 9: all that stuff is it's pretty impressive anything else for
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 9: the break.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: Good movie yeah see it if you got.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 8: Yeah hopefully you've already seen it I know alright I
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 8: guess that rounds out this week's sofa theater feature we
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 8: do have feedback.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 9: Yay and this one feedback Actually, it came in a
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 9: while ago, but it's one of those I've kind of
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 9: just been waiting to get to and waiting for the
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 9: party involved to actually be on hand. So the title
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 9: of this one, this time we hear from Brad, and
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 9: the title is Carpenter Wasn't My Babysitter, Sadly. He says, Hello, Meltdowners.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 9: In my ongoing quest to find new quality podcasts, I
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 9: stumbled across Movie Meltdown's Carpenter Was My Babysitter episode. After
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 9: I got back up, I listened to it and really
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 9: enjoyed it. I live in Bowling Green, and my uncle
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 9: met Carpenter and Adrian Barbeau at Western in the 80s.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 9: Halloween is my favorite film of all time, so it's
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 9: nice to hear someone from Bowling Green representing. Not only
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 9: do we not have a statue of him in town,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 9: we don't even have a sign or a plaque. Maybe
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 9: I'll work on that. Anyways, thanks, and I'll be listening
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 9: to more.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 8: Brad.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: Check out the brain on Brad.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 9: You've got somebody representing from the.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: I think I know why he was there in the 80s.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: He did go and talk there.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: My mom saw him. And I guess Adrian and the
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: twins came along.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 9: It was probably when they did The Fog.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 5: You're probably right.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: Awesome.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 9: So yeah, I thought that was cool and just wanted
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 9: to be sure and pass it along while you were here, Fred.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, cool.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 9: Thank you once again to Brad.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there is at Western, there's a log house down
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: at the foot of the hill next to a little
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: building that used to be a burger place. And John
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: Carpenter's parents actually lived in the cabin. It was faculty
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: housing back then. Now it's part of the Kentucky Museum stuff.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: But that's the way I've heard the story. Because John
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: Carpenter's parents live there.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 9: And they should put a plaque on it and a
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 9: statue out front.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: That's right.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 9: Anything else to round out this week?
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: Well, somebody mentioned to me that they guess Jess doesn't
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: have a plaque up at Atherton.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 9: I think we should do something about that.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we should.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 19: Why not?
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 9: We'll see if we can get that petition going to
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 9: get our new inductee into the little gang here. I
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 9: don't know if she's willing, but we're taking her anyway.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: Hey, she's been on three episodes.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's true.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: That she's in.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 9: Whether she likes it or not, she's part of the family.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 21: That's right.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 9: Otherwise, I guess we can get the hell out of here.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, bye everybody.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 9: That about does it. We will return next week. Same
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 9: geek time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 7: Six a.m.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 20: Day after Christmas I throw some clothes on in the dark.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 7: The smell of coal.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 20: Car seat is freezing The world is sleeping I am
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 20: home Up the stairs to her apartment She is.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 7: Balled up on the.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 17: Couch Mom and dad went down to Charlotte They're not
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 17: home to find this out now that.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 7: I've found someone i'm feeling more alone.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 20: Than i ever have before.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 11: She's a brick and i'm drowning slowly off the coast.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: And i'm.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 20: They call her.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 7: Name at 7.30 I pace around the parking lot.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 11: And I walk down to buy.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 17: Her flowers and sell some gifts that I got Can't
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 17: you see? It's not me you're dying.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 7: For And she's feeling more alone.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 17: Than she ever has before She's.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 11: A brick and I'm drowning slowly Off the coast and
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 11: I'm headed nowhere She's a brick and I'm drowning slowly
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 11: As weeks went.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 12: By, they showed the shield.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 11: Was not fine They told me, son, it's time to
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 11: talk of line driving back to.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 7: Her apartment for the moment we're.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 5: Alone she's alone.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 11: She's a-breakin' up, drownin' slowly Off the coast and I'm
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 11: headed nowhere She's.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 12: A-breakin' up, drownin' slowly guitar solo Feel it now, dude.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 21: This episode is a production of Movie Meltdown, produced and
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 21: edited by the Oddity Studios, with opening music performed by
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 21: the Empires. For more on how to sponsor or support
• 1:21:10
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• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: Talk hard!