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The Influencer Necklace Theft Scandal · Outspoken the Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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Speaker 1: Kate Torber and coming up on today's show, the influencer
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Speaker 1: witch hunt over a stolen necklace, Tammy Hembrough calls out
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Speaker 1: clout chasing exes and Matt Sikowsky's on-air blunder. But first,
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Speaker 1: Sky Wheatley has jetted off to Fiji without her baby
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Speaker 1: daddy Lockie Waugh and their two kids amid breakup rumours
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Speaker 1: So the former Big Brother contestant recently said she was
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Speaker 1: in relationship limbo. Yeah, things have been really up and
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Speaker 1: down for Sky and Lockie. About two weeks ago in
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Speaker 1: an Instagram live, she confirmed that the couple had broken
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Speaker 1: up and that's after they have been together for seven years.
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Speaker 1: But she's since reneged on her own podcast and said
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Speaker 1: that they're actually on a break and are eventually going
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Speaker 1: to try and work things out. It seems like maybe
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Speaker 1: they need a bit of space and time to think
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Speaker 1: about things and Maybe that's why Sky has put an
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Speaker 1: ocean between herself and her problem. I was surprised when
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Speaker 1: I saw she was in Fiji, though, because it was
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Speaker 1: only this time last year that she and Lockie went
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Speaker 1: on this big family trip there. Yeah, well, as soon
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Speaker 1: as she started posting that she was setting off for Fiji,
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Speaker 1: a lot of her followers were desperate to know if
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Speaker 1: Lockie was there because it wasn't quite clear initially. And
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Speaker 1: she ended up sharing a Q & A box. And
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Speaker 1: one follower asked, is Lockie with you in Fiji? And
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Speaker 1: she responded saying, nope, I'm here with my mum and
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Speaker 1: my sister. Another follower wrote in saying, tell us about lock, babe.
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Speaker 1: And Sky ended up responding, all in good time, my loves.
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Speaker 1: Got some healing to do. Don't worry, I will be
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Speaker 1: open and honest with everything. All will be revealed, just
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Speaker 1: navigating everything the best I can. Now, another person asked,
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Speaker 1: will you sell the house now once it's done? And
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Speaker 1: Sky ended up saying, she's not sure yet and is
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Speaker 1: taking every day as it comes. So They are some
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Speaker 1: pretty interesting questions to answer whilst you are away. Well,
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Speaker 1: when you're in the midst of a public breakup and
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Speaker 1: you put up a question and answer box, you're basically
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Speaker 1: inviting people to ask you about your ex, aren't you? Well,
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Speaker 1: she knows it's good for engagement. And I also think
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Speaker 1: that she is quite aware that she doesn't want to
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Speaker 1: look like she's holding back from her audience because she's
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Speaker 1: always been an influencer who's known for being really transparent
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Speaker 1: and having that connection with them. I mean, it's quite
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Speaker 1: clear that both her and Lockie don't know what's going
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Speaker 1: on at the moment and they're just navigating it. in
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Speaker 1: real time with everyone else. Yeah, as best they can.
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Speaker 2: So we just had an influencer steal from us.
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Speaker 1: A Sydney jewellery brand has ignited a witch hunt after
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Speaker 1: the owner claimed an influencer stole one of their necklaces.
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Speaker 1: It didn't take long for some of Australia's biggest internet
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Speaker 1: stars to be dragged into the drama, Kate. Can you
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Speaker 1: tell us more? Well, it all started when Amy Bradley,
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Speaker 1: the co-founder of Luna Ray, took to TikTok to accuse
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Speaker 1: an unnamed influencer of stealing a necklace. Now, the necklace
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Speaker 1: in question was described as being uniquely designed and retailed
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Speaker 1: for $ 360. Interestingly, the alleged theft didn't actually take place
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Speaker 1: at their Northern Beaches boutique, but instead online. So Amy
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Speaker 1: claims the influencer purchased the necklace via Lunaray's Shopify online storefront.
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Speaker 1: but several weeks later requested a refund after claiming they
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Speaker 1: never received the order. Now, the owner says that she
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Speaker 1: gave Shopify all of the relevant details that they needed
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Speaker 1: to prove that the influencer got the delivery. However, the
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Speaker 1: e-commerce platform ended up deliberating in the influencer's favor and
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Speaker 1: the influencer got her money automatically refunded through Shopify. Therefore,
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Speaker 1: the brand ended up losing the necklace and the money.
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Speaker 1: So Amy was very unhappy with this outcome and she
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Speaker 1: ended up doing some digging on TikTok and came across
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Speaker 1: the influencer's account. And it's there where she made a
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Speaker 1: startling discovery. Let's take a listen.
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Speaker 2: We kept looking into it and we found the customer
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Speaker 2: on TikTok. And guess what she's.
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Speaker 3: Got all over her neck?
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Speaker 2: Our $ 360 uniquely designed necklace. We know it's our necklace
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Speaker 2: and she's wearing it in all of her TikToks. She
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Speaker 2: is an influencer. She has been on a reality show.
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Speaker 3: Who does that?
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Speaker 1: Brazen can you get to wear said necklace in all
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Speaker 1: of your TikTok videos? How do you not think that
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Speaker 1: you're going to get caught out? Yeah, and I think
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Speaker 1: that's what Amy, the owner, was really playing on because
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Speaker 1: she ended up showing an image of the unique necklace
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Speaker 1: and asked TikTok what they would do in this situation.
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Speaker 1: Basically saying, let's see who can go find the influencer
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Speaker 1: wearing the necklace. And it didn't take long for the
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Speaker 1: comment section to be flooded with people accusing influencers of
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Speaker 1: being the alleged thief. This, of course, fed into TikTok's
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Speaker 1: algorithm and the video went viral. At the time of recording,
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Speaker 1: it's notched up 2.8 million views. Now, at midnight the
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Speaker 1: following day, Amy provided an update saying things had gotten
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Speaker 1: out of control. Let's take a listen to what she said.
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Speaker 2: People are getting really crazy about it and people are like,
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Speaker 2: they want blood.
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Speaker 1: It's really full on.
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Speaker 2: And I very much appreciate the support of a small brand.
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Speaker 1: I really do.
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Speaker 2: But we can't tag influencers that have nothing to do
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Speaker 2: with this. Like none of these people are this person.
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Speaker 1: Now, Amy went on to say that they won't be
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Speaker 1: naming and shaming the influencer. And the purpose of the
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Speaker 1: video was to get advice about what to do. She
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Speaker 1: also confirmed that they now have recorded all of the
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Speaker 1: content the influencer posted and have reported her to the police.
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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily believe this. I don't think that they
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Speaker 1: were simply asking for advice. I think that they wanted
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Speaker 1: customers to go on a bit of a witch hunt.
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Speaker 1: and track this person down, they're obviously very upset and
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Speaker 1: rightly so, particularly because this is a small business. I
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Speaker 1: think things just got out of hand though. Well, Amy
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Speaker 1: did admit that she was feeling quite ragey when she
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Speaker 1: shared the TikTok. So I think it was all driven
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Speaker 1: on emotion. She wasn't really intending for this to go viral.
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Speaker 1: And I suppose it's almost backfired a bit because there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of influencers who are now in the firing
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Speaker 1: line and won't potentially want to work with this brand
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Speaker 1: going forward.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, a day later, Amy posted another update on TikTok.
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Speaker 1: And this time she said that the brand was moderating
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Speaker 1: the comments on the original video and removing the name
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Speaker 1: of accused influencers. And she also shared that a business
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Speaker 1: had been implicated in the theft as the necklace was
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Speaker 1: purchased on a company credit card. In terms of the
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Speaker 1: influencers who were dragged into the mess, the names included
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Speaker 1: Abby Chatfield, Ashley Day, Jessica Power, All Right Hay, and
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Speaker 1: Vanessa Amirotti. And it was interesting to see this unfold
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Speaker 1: on other content creators' TikToks because originally Abby had no
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Speaker 1: idea what was going on. And she asked her followers
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Speaker 1: why she was being asked if she liked her quote
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Speaker 1: free necklace. When she realized what was happening, she said
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Speaker 1: she was shocked that people would accuse her of criminal activity.
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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
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Speaker 3: It's wild that people will assume that I stole a necklace.
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Speaker 3: I committed a crime because they see an outspoken woman.
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Speaker 3: Like we see women not adhering to societal standards, and
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Speaker 3: people then go, it must be Abby Chatfield that committed
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Speaker 3: a crime, that stole from a small business, when, if
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Speaker 3: you actually look at my politics, I'm all about supporting
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Speaker 3: small businesses.
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Speaker 1: I was surprised to see Abby's name being thrown into
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Speaker 1: the mix. This doesn't sound like anything she would be
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Speaker 1: involved in. Yeah, well, these false allegations have really capped
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Speaker 1: off a bad week for Abby Chatfield because last week
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Speaker 1: she was ordered to pay $ 79, 000 in damages to her
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Speaker 1: former best friend Heath Kelly after a court found she
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Speaker 1: had defamed him. And I think that's why Abby was
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Speaker 1: so emotional about being accused of stealing because she She
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Speaker 1: said that she's never committed a crime in her life. However,
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Speaker 1: I'm assuming she's been receiving a lot of messages about
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Speaker 1: the defamation case and people seem to not realise that
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Speaker 1: was a civil matter, not a criminal one. Let's take
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Speaker 1: a listen to what Abby said.
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Speaker 3: The accusations every single day about me make me genuinely
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Speaker 3: get to the verge of like a nervous breakdown. Like
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Speaker 3: I'm so sick of being accused of things I did
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Speaker 3: not do. Every day I see a lie about myself
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Speaker 3: on the internet. And now these people who don't like
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Speaker 3: me are now saying it must have been Abby Chatfield
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Speaker 3: that committed a crime.
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Speaker 4: When have I ever committed a crime?
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Speaker 1: When the news broke about Abby losing this defamation case,
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Speaker 1: the comment section on some of the news websites was
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Speaker 1: absolutely outrageous. I felt so sorry for her. You can
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Speaker 1: tell she's been really going through it. The absolute vitriol
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Speaker 1: thrown at her is very alarming. Now, Matt Hay was
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Speaker 1: next to enter the chat about the necklace. So he
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Speaker 1: talked the absolute piss out of the situation. He shared
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Speaker 1: this hilarious video where he said he was trying to
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Speaker 1: clear his name while he wore a dupe of the necklace.
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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
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Speaker 5: Hello everyone, I'm here to clear my name after the
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Speaker 5: recent allegations by the TikTok search bar that said that
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Speaker 5: I was the influencer who stole from this small business.
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Speaker 5: This is the necklace that was allegedly sold. I have
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Speaker 5: never seen this necklace before. I actually have never seen
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Speaker 5: a necklace at all. I don't wear necklaces.
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Speaker 1: I love how he says the allegations on the search
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Speaker 1: bar of TikTok. That's classic. While most people got the joke, unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: there were some who missed it completely. And they were like,
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Speaker 1: but you're wearing a necklace. It's like, oh my God.
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Speaker 1: Which led him to post another satirical video where he
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Speaker 1: put on the dupe necklace with the caption, unfortunately, I
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Speaker 1: do love chargebacks. Now, off the back of these videos,
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Speaker 1: Amy Bradley ended up sharing a final TikTok update on
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Speaker 1: the matter. And after days of speculation, she finally cleared
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Speaker 1: the names of the influencers dragged into the drama. Now, Kate,
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Speaker 1: she was close to tears in this video and she
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Speaker 1: spoke about how mean people can be on TikTok and
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Speaker 1: that everyone wants to assume the worst in people. Let's
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Speaker 1: have a listen to what she said.
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Speaker 2: Abby Chatfield, Jessica.
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Speaker 4: Power.
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Speaker 2: All right, hey, Vanessa Romito. Everyone else, everybody has named? No,
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Speaker 2: definitely not. They haven't done it. I mean, Abby's received
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Speaker 2: so much hate.
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Speaker 1: Actually, what is wrong with people?
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Speaker 2: Like the fact that you think it's okay to tag
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Speaker 2: someone And say it's them.
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Speaker 1: We never asked of this.
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Speaker 2: It's just a brand owner giving an opinion on something
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Speaker 2: shitty and everyone has taken it so far.
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Speaker 1: I found this whole debacle really interesting to look at
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Speaker 1: from a PR perspective because there are so many brands
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Speaker 1: out there that want to go viral and get their
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Speaker 1: name out there. But this has been a very costly
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Speaker 1: move by Luna Rae. And as the internet does, it's
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Speaker 1: now turned on the brand and they've now been accused
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Speaker 1: of faking the story as a publicity stunt for their
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Speaker 1: sixth birthday sale, an allegation that the owners of Luna
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Speaker 1: Rae vehemently deny. The owner really didn't help herself though,
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Speaker 1: because during these TikTok updates, she said, oh, you know,
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Speaker 1: we've been accused that it's a publicity stunt. That is
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Speaker 1: not the case. We didn't think that this video would
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Speaker 1: go viral. And we didn't have time for it to
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Speaker 1: go viral because we've been getting ready for our sixth
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Speaker 1: birthday sale. Now, I'm not saying that it was a
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Speaker 1: publicity stunt, but the fact that this whole viral video
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Speaker 1: has aligned with the sale doesn't look good. No, I
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Speaker 1: think a lot of consumers now are really aware of
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Speaker 1: these PR stunts, particularly since TBH has been pulling them
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Speaker 1: off so perfectly and also with Boof Hair. And people
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Speaker 1: want to spot a rat. They're like, if something doesn't
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Speaker 1: add up about this, particularly when the brand seems to
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Speaker 1: be benefiting off the backlash of something. I mean, this
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Speaker 1: is a very different matter though, because the brand has
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Speaker 1: been labeled negligent for leaving the comments open and essentially
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Speaker 1: creating a witch hunt. Because while they didn't name the
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Speaker 1: alleged theft, they basically invited people to speculate who it
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Speaker 1: was in the comments. And they literally said this influencer
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Speaker 1: can be found on TikTok wearing this necklace and showed
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Speaker 1: a picture of the necklace. So it's literally like a
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Speaker 1: red flag to a bull. think Amy maybe felt like
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Speaker 1: she was in a position where it would benefit her
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Speaker 1: business to phrase the video in this way, because generally
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Speaker 1: people do side with the small business owner. They see
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Speaker 1: it as a bit of a David versus Goliath battle. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's originally what happened until this went absolutely viral. And
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Speaker 1: the approach that the brand uses, a very common engagement
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Speaker 1: farming technique used by a lot of content creators. Unfortunately though,
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Speaker 1: it appears that they didn't really think the strategy through
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Speaker 1: and they didn't have a PR crisis plan in place
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Speaker 1: if it was to go viral. And we're seeing the
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Speaker 1: repercussions of that, because unfortunately, innocent people were wrongly accused
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Speaker 1: of committing a crime. And the way TikTok works, there's
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Speaker 1: no context there and mud sticks and it has caused
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Speaker 1: reputational damage to a number of content creators. And this
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Speaker 1: brand has now opened themselves up to legal issues with defamation.
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Speaker 1: I would be very careful if I was a small
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Speaker 1: business owner in the future going forth with any of
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Speaker 1: these influencer driven stories, because it kind of reminds me
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Speaker 1: of back in February, 2024, When Shelby Sherritt, it was
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Speaker 1: dubbed as Muggate. So basically, Sofa Dofa posted about her
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Speaker 1: strawberry mug. It was this two-handed sippy cup. Well, she
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Speaker 1: slammed it for being ultra expensive. It was $ 125 for
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Speaker 1: a cup. And she said it wasn't actually marked properly.
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Speaker 1: And she only knew once she got to the register
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Speaker 1: how much it was. And she felt embarrassed to say anything.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And she also poked fun at the fact that it
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Speaker 1: had two handles, but it ended up being part of
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Speaker 1: this disability range. But anyway, Sofa Dofa came out swinging
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Speaker 1: and people started siding again with her. And it did
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Speaker 1: some damage to Shelby's brand. So you've got to really
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Speaker 1: be careful as a small business owner when you're going
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Speaker 1: to accuse people of certain things. Well, I almost think
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Speaker 1: if you're not going to name and shame, then there's
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Speaker 1: no point of coming out and doing the video because
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Speaker 1: they would have been in their right to name and
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Speaker 1: shame over the necklace because they had proof. They have
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Speaker 1: the truth defense in terms of defamation, but leaving it
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Speaker 1: open and giving identifiable details away, e.g. it's an Australian influencer,
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Speaker 1: they've been on reality TV, that opens it up to
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Speaker 1: a relatively small portion of the population that then can
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Speaker 1: be defamed. So there's quite a number of people that
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Speaker 1: could sue this brand over it. I wonder what it's
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Speaker 1: meant for sales though, because if you're online and you
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Speaker 1: want to support this business or you're like, oh wow,
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Speaker 1: that necklace is really nice. Oh, I'm going to check
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Speaker 1: out their other stuff. I wonder whether financially it's been
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Speaker 1: a good decision for them. Yes, maybe there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of influencers who no longer want to work with them now, but- Well,
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Speaker 1: there were a lot of comments, people saying that I
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Speaker 1: would never purchase from this brand. I didn't know about it.
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Speaker 1: And now I definitely won't purchase because I don't like
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Speaker 1: the tactics used. I mean, a lot of people have
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Speaker 1: been hurt over a $ 360 necklace. Like, I feel like
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Speaker 1: I can get easily fooled by being love-bombed. Unfortunately, in
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Speaker 1: the past, I've just like, yeah, of course. Tammy Hembrough
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Speaker 1: is back in the headlines following her first podcast appearance
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Speaker 1: since announcing her divorce from Matt Zukowski. The OG fitness
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Speaker 1: influencer appeared on the Mad About You podcast, hosted by
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Speaker 1: fellow influencers Jade Tunchi and Lockie Brickey. This time last week,
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Speaker 1: Tammy told her TikTok followers she was second guessing what
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Speaker 1: she divulged on air. Kate, do you think her concerns
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Speaker 1: were valid now after having a listen? I personally didn't
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Speaker 1: think the interview was that groundbreaking. I mean, there were
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Speaker 1: definitely a few interesting tidbits the mainstream media have run with.
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Speaker 1: I was kind of disappointed that she chose Jade and
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Speaker 1: Lockie's podcast to go on because it just felt a
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Speaker 1: little bit like an echo chamber where influencers were like, oh,
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Speaker 1: I feel so bad for you. And then they're like, yes,
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Speaker 1: I feel bad for you. And it's not really real
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Speaker 1: people problems. I feel like Lockie was trying to be
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Speaker 1: bad cop though. I feel like obviously Jade assumed the
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Speaker 1: position of good cop where she was feeling very sad
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Speaker 1: and sorry for Tammy, but Lockie was sort of asking
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Speaker 1: the questions that we all wanted asked. I appreciated Lockie
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Speaker 1: pushing the agenda. And I do think that that was
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Speaker 1: a strategic move from both of them when they were
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Speaker 1: interviewing Tammy. You got the feeling, though, that they had
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Speaker 1: been asked not to touch on specific things, but were
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Speaker 1: trying to work out a way around it. Yeah, it
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Speaker 1: felt like Lockie was pushing the boundaries as far as
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Speaker 1: he could possibly go. Now, in terms of the one
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Speaker 1: of the big stories that the mainstream media have picked
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Speaker 1: up on, It's to do with Bailey Smith, of course. Now,
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Speaker 1: I'm interested, Soph, to hear your thoughts on this story
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Speaker 1: that the media have picked up and run with off
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Speaker 1: the back of the interview. So Tammy spoke about how
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Speaker 1: she's never really dated, but recently went on a date
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Speaker 1: with a guy who was, quote, just so boring. And
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Speaker 1: the traditional media have now run with headlines that this
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Speaker 1: was a very thinly veiled swipe at Bailey Smith, who
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Speaker 1: Tammy recently dated. For context, this is what she said
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Speaker 1: on the podcast. I haven't been on many dates. Until recently, really.
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Speaker 1: So I never really dated.
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Speaker 5: Really?
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Speaker 1: You just like fell into relationships. I just like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I sort of just like met someone and like, you know,
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Speaker 1: that was that. That must be nice. But I did
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Speaker 1: go on a date with a guy. Oh, no, he's probably, no,
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Speaker 1: you won't hear this. Because it's literally like the only
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Speaker 1: guy I went on a date with. Well, he was
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Speaker 1: just so boring. As in good banter online?
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Speaker 4: Like if you.
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Speaker 5: And then you met him personally.
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Speaker 1: You didn't have much to bring to the table. I'm
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Speaker 1: very much in, like if someone, if I speak to
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Speaker 1: someone online or meet them online, I want to like
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Speaker 1: meet them face to face. I'm like, I'm not really
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Speaker 1: like a texter or like anything like that. Like if
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Speaker 1: you're trying to talk to me, I'm like, we need
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Speaker 1: to like, I need to meet you face to face.
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Speaker 1: So we went on a date and it was just like,
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Speaker 1: I was just so bored. I never for one second
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Speaker 1: even considered that she was talking about Bailey Smith. I
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Speaker 1: just thought she was talking about a past date that
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Speaker 1: she's been on maybe with an older guy because Bailey Smith,
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Speaker 1: everything we see about him in the media, this guy
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Speaker 1: isn't boring. He's out there. Also because it said date
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Speaker 1: like singular, like she went on multiple dates with Bailey Smith.
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Speaker 1: I actually got the vibe that she and Bailey Smith
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Speaker 1: are still a thing because at the start of the interview,
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Speaker 1: Jade was like, you know, we want to set the
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Speaker 1: record straight. are you single? And she's like, she kind
17:51
Speaker 1: of looked a bit flustered and was like, oh, you know,
17:52
Speaker 1: I'm dating. Well, during the interview, Lockie also touched on
17:56
Speaker 1: the recent publicity around Tammy's recent dating adventures. And they
18:00
Speaker 1: were clearly referring to Bailey Smith. And she did make
18:03
Speaker 1: it sound as though it was still something that was
18:05
Speaker 1: continuing on in the background, maybe just something that wasn't
18:07
Speaker 1: serious though.
18:08
Speaker 4: Yeah.
18:08
Speaker 1: I think that considering Tammy has now partnered with Tinder,
18:12
Speaker 1: she's trying to put it out there that she's dating
18:14
Speaker 1: multiple people and having a lot of fun because That's
18:16
Speaker 1: the feature on the app talking about crushes and Tinder
18:20
Speaker 1: being this fun place for casual dating. So she's got
18:23
Speaker 1: to be careful with what she says from a branding
18:25
Speaker 1: perspective as well. I found it interesting that Matt Zukowski's
18:28
Speaker 1: name was never used or uttered during this interview. I mean,
18:32
Speaker 1: they did say your divorce. It's funny though, because we
18:35
Speaker 1: are going to be touching on a podcast interview that
18:37
Speaker 1: Matt Zukowski also did recently. It's like they're just not
18:40
Speaker 1: allowed to mention each other's names. But that's sort of
18:42
Speaker 1: a typical thing people do with high profile breakups because
18:45
Speaker 1: everyone knows who they're talking about anyway. And you don't
18:48
Speaker 1: want to be that ex that always is mentioning that
18:51
Speaker 1: person's name and dropping it. Yeah, I get it. It's
18:53
Speaker 1: just kind of funny though, the way it's sort of like, oh,
18:56
Speaker 1: he who must not be named. Well, as suspected, Tammy
18:59
Speaker 1: did divulge a bit more about the reasons behind her
19:02
Speaker 1: marriage breakdown and When asked if she was ever worried
19:05
Speaker 1: people dated her for clout or access to her platform
19:08
Speaker 1: of 20 million followers, she said this. I'm more asking,
19:13
Speaker 1: are you ever fearful that perhaps someone is dating you
19:17
Speaker 1: for clout or access to your platform? Because I'm sure
19:20
Speaker 1: there's horrible people that would do that. I feel like
19:22
Speaker 1: people have done that. How do you guard against that, though,
19:25
Speaker 1: moving forward? How do you vet someone for that.
19:27
Speaker 5: Sort of thing?
19:28
Speaker 1: I feel like going forward, I'm just going to ask
19:31
Speaker 1: like my sisters, my family. What are you talking about
19:34
Speaker 1: this guy? Yeah, because I feel like they're usually pretty
19:36
Speaker 1: spot on. So I'm just going to, you know. How
19:41
Speaker 1: would they vet them? Yeah, like how do they know
19:44
Speaker 1: or have they said things to you in the past
19:46
Speaker 1: about people who turned out to be like that?
19:48
Speaker 5: Yeah, they have.
19:49
Speaker 4: Okay.
19:50
Speaker 1: Like maybe they just see things that I don't when
19:52
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, got my hard eyes on. So
19:56
Speaker 1: I feel like I just get a bit like loopy
19:58
Speaker 1: and start fooling someone and then they see things that
20:02
Speaker 1: I maybe don't see. It cracked me up because Jade
20:06
Speaker 1: went on to say, oh, that would be really uncomfortable
20:08
Speaker 1: for a sister to say. And Tammy was like, nah,
20:10
Speaker 1: they're brutal. It just reminded me of our relationship.
20:12
Speaker 5: Yeah.
20:12
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, this is exactly how sisters
20:14
Speaker 1: would carry on. Jade does have a sister though. Maybe
20:16
Speaker 1: they're a lot kinder to each other. There's some boundaries
20:19
Speaker 1: up there. Well, yeah, as you touched on Soph, Tammy
20:22
Speaker 1: didn't outright name Matt, but it seems fairly obvious that
20:24
Speaker 1: she was talking about him because It was public knowledge
20:27
Speaker 1: that her sisters had a problem with him. I mean,
20:29
Speaker 1: he aired their grievances on his own podcast. And during
20:32
Speaker 1: that same conversation with Lockie and Jade, Tammy also made
20:36
Speaker 1: a dig about falling easily to love bombing. Yeah, it
20:39
Speaker 1: was pretty clear who she was talking about. It also
20:42
Speaker 1: seems like money was a big divider between not only
20:45
Speaker 1: her and Matt, but her and her other past relationships
20:48
Speaker 1: because she was asked if men were intimidated by her
20:52
Speaker 1: success and And she said that it's actually been one
20:54
Speaker 1: of the biggest issues in her past relationships. I was
20:57
Speaker 1: fascinated when she spoke about this because it's something I've
20:59
Speaker 1: never heard her speak about. Again, it's kind of like
21:02
Speaker 1: how you said influencers and public figures don't want to
21:05
Speaker 1: mention their exes by name. A lot of influencers also
21:08
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about how much money they make.
21:11
Speaker 1: It's a bit taboo to say, oh yeah, I'm actually
21:13
Speaker 1: a multimillionaire. I mean, Tammy is worth $ 50 million. Well,
21:16
Speaker 1: she did admit that it created this power imbalance. And
21:19
Speaker 1: as a result, She would try and make herself smaller,
21:22
Speaker 1: but it just didn't work. Lockie ended up asking Tammy
21:26
Speaker 1: flat out if it was down to money and she
21:27
Speaker 1: said this. Yeah, it's definitely a money thing. And like
21:33
Speaker 1: people say like, oh, no, it doesn't matter. But then
21:35
Speaker 1: it shows up in so many ways and so many things.
21:38
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's definitely been a difficult thing to navigate
21:42
Speaker 1: in all of my relationships.
21:44
Speaker 2: Sure.
21:46
Speaker 1: I mean, it would be incredibly difficult for all involved.
21:49
Speaker 1: I mean, when you consider that Tammy is reportedly worth
21:51
Speaker 1: $ 50 million while Matt Sikowsky works a nine to five
21:54
Speaker 1: and was living with his mum when he first met her,
21:57
Speaker 1: like that is a huge difference in your lifestyles. Matt
22:01
Speaker 1: also admitted in a recent podcast, which we're going to
22:03
Speaker 1: touch on in a second, that he wasn't actually working
22:06
Speaker 1: when he was living with Tammy. I suppose that's because
22:09
Speaker 1: the job that he does is for his dad's pool business,
22:11
Speaker 1: which was based in Melbourne. So he essentially left that
22:14
Speaker 1: job To shack up with Tammy. Well, you say not working,
22:17
Speaker 1: but he had his podcast and influencing. So I suppose
22:19
Speaker 1: he was doing that on the side. Well, he described
22:22
Speaker 1: it as not working and he found that really difficult.
22:24
Speaker 1: He found himself getting more depressed because he didn't have
22:26
Speaker 1: much meaning in his life. I did love when they
22:29
Speaker 1: asked Tammy if she pays on a first date. And
22:32
Speaker 1: despite being a multimillionaire, she says definitely not. And that's
22:35
Speaker 1: something that she really stands by. Yeah, I kind of
22:38
Speaker 1: respect that. It looks like we might be seeing Tammy
22:41
Speaker 1: on our TV screens soon because the Herald Sun's has
22:44
Speaker 1: reported that Tammy's name was floating around the Channel 9
22:47
Speaker 1: upfronts on Wednesday. I was thinking, oh, Channel 9, maybe
22:51
Speaker 1: Love Island, like how epic that would be. And it
22:53
Speaker 1: would be a bit of a fuck you to Matt
22:54
Speaker 1: Sikowsky because he originally found fame on that show. She's
22:58
Speaker 1: too big for Love Island. Yeah, she is. But it's not.
23:01
Speaker 1: It is a weird celebrity show called Shark and the
23:05
Speaker 1: show is filmed in the Bahamas and they basically get
23:08
Speaker 1: a bunch of celebrities and make them do these tests
23:11
Speaker 1: online with close encounters with sharks. Like it's just so random.
23:15
Speaker 1: I remember when she was still with Matt and they
23:17
Speaker 1: went to Port Lincoln to do cage diving with sharks.
23:20
Speaker 1: She's already had some experience with it. Why can't they
23:23
Speaker 1: just do the original idea of doing a reality show
23:25
Speaker 1: about the Hembrough's life, similar to the Kardashians? Remember they
23:28
Speaker 1: were filming a promo for it, but we never ended
23:31
Speaker 1: up seeing it. Yeah, that was years ago, but recently
23:34
Speaker 1: they reignited rumours that they could get their own reality
23:36
Speaker 1: TV show up and running and during some interviews for
23:39
Speaker 1: their supplement brand. Maybe they're testing the waters with Channel
23:43
Speaker 1: 9 on this reality show and see how the public
23:46
Speaker 1: like Tammy and then go for the full family. What
23:49
Speaker 1: about her and The Bachelor? I mean, The Golden Bachelor
23:51
Speaker 1: airs tonight. I think getting Tammy on as The Bachelorette
23:55
Speaker 1: would be the way to reignite that program again. That
23:58
Speaker 1: would be so good. It's interesting, though, because it was
24:00
Speaker 1: only a couple of weeks ago that Tammy was talking
24:02
Speaker 1: about doing her diver medical ahead of enrolling in a
24:04
Speaker 1: scuba diving course. So that all makes sense, doesn't it?
24:07
Speaker 1: She also hinted at her reality TV debut on a
24:10
Speaker 1: TikTok last week. So during a Get Ready With Me
24:13
Speaker 1: video before White Fox Boutique's birthday party, she told her
24:16
Speaker 1: followers she had something coming up that was wildly out
24:19
Speaker 1: of her comfort zone and she said it was going
24:21
Speaker 1: to be really fun and she was all about adding
24:23
Speaker 1: to her life experiences. So it seems like it's definitely happening.
24:26
Speaker 4: You guys are probably thinking, how can this guy be
24:30
Speaker 4: so good looking and funny? Well, you're about to find out.
24:35
Speaker 1: Matt Sikowsky made a hilarious blunder whilst appearing on the
24:39
Speaker 1: On It Off It podcast. Now, this show is hosted
24:42
Speaker 1: by fitness influencer Louis Phillips and stand-up comedian Fergus Neal.
24:47
Speaker 1: And the boys were chatting to Matt about his Love
24:49
Speaker 1: Island days. And he said that he thinks some of
24:52
Speaker 1: the viewers took him the wrong way because he has
24:54
Speaker 1: a very dry sense of humor. And he actually revealed
24:57
Speaker 1: that he'd love to get into stand-up comedy. Now, Matt
25:01
Speaker 1: then attempted to deliver a joke that he planned to
25:03
Speaker 1: kick off his future shows with, but it was this
25:07
Speaker 1: unintentional slip up that garnered more laughs. Let's have a listen.
25:12
Speaker 4: I heard that at start you need to defecate yourself
25:15
Speaker 4: to connect with the audience. So I'm thinking my opening line.
25:18
Speaker 1: You don't mean defecate yourself. Defecate I think shit yourself.
25:23
Speaker 1: That would be hilarious.
25:26
Speaker 5: That's the rule of stand-up comedy.
25:28
Speaker 2: You've got to start by shitting yourself.
25:31
Speaker 1: Everyone looked at me so confused when I said that.
25:33
Speaker 4: I was like, no, dude, I've been told that by
25:34
Speaker 4: a comedian.
25:35
Speaker 1: I know that's real. I bet you've got to defecate yourself.
25:37
Speaker 4: What's the word then? Defamation. No.
25:39
Speaker 5: No, what's the word?
25:42
Speaker 1: The listener's screaming us the word.
25:44
Speaker 2: No, no, no.
25:45
Speaker 1: You put yourself down. Yes, you put yourself down.
25:47
Speaker 4: So I was going to have an opening line of like,
25:49
Speaker 4: you guys are probably thinking, how can this guy be
25:52
Speaker 4: so good looking and funny? Or you're about to find out.
25:55
Speaker 4: Something like that.
25:56
Speaker 1: I don't know.
25:57
Speaker 4: I'm just feeling it.
25:57
Speaker 1: And then shit yourself. Yeah, shit myself. Wait, Blake, what's
26:00
Speaker 1: the word? Yes, deprecate.
26:03
Speaker 4: Thank you, Blake.
26:04
Speaker 1: Thank you, Larry.
26:04
Speaker 4: Never confuse those again.
26:06
Speaker 5: Oh, Matt.
26:08
Speaker 1: He just has golden retriever energy, doesn't he? He comes
26:10
Speaker 1: across as a bit of a himbo, but there's something
26:13
Speaker 1: endearing about it. Yeah, I thought that this was part
26:16
Speaker 1: of the bit he was doing, but then I quickly
26:19
Speaker 1: realised that he genuinely thought that he was using the
26:22
Speaker 1: right word. It was so funny because the other guys
26:24
Speaker 1: were just piercing themselves laughing and I think that they
26:26
Speaker 1: thought that it was part of the joke as well.
26:28
Speaker 1: And then they were like, oh no, he's serious here.
26:31
Speaker 1: I mean, I could tell this was genuine because I
26:33
Speaker 1: listen to his podcast regularly and there are quite a
26:36
Speaker 1: number of times where he and Anna will confuse a
26:39
Speaker 1: word or a saying. I remember he said, oh, Bob's
26:41
Speaker 1: your auntie. I was like, it's Bob's uncle. Were you
26:44
Speaker 1: one of the listeners who was literally sitting there screaming,
26:47
Speaker 1: it's self-deprecate? Because they were like, all of them couldn't
26:50
Speaker 1: get the word. They're like, what is that word? I
26:53
Speaker 1: actually think though that Matt could be a really great
26:55
Speaker 1: comedian without even trying. But I just like laugh when
26:58
Speaker 1: I hear him speak. As you said, he does have
26:59
Speaker 1: that golden retriever energy. I wonder if Matt ends up
27:02
Speaker 1: going down the stand-up comedy route, if he'll use his
27:05
Speaker 1: wrestling alias Charlie Matthews as a bit of a character,
27:08
Speaker 1: because they did speak in this interview about his wrestling days.
27:12
Speaker 1: And for those who don't remember, he plays the role
27:15
Speaker 1: of the man who won the genetic lottery. So I
27:17
Speaker 1: feel like even with him saying that his initial joke
27:20
Speaker 1: would be him joking about how good looking he is,
27:22
Speaker 1: I feel like he's kind of playing that sort of character,
27:24
Speaker 1: playing into that alter ego. See, I think instead of
27:28
Speaker 1: going down the comedy route, he could get a job on, say,
27:31
Speaker 1: Home and Away, like playing into these characters. Like you
27:34
Speaker 1: don't have to be very good at acting to be
27:35
Speaker 1: on that show. No shade at the actors that are
27:37
Speaker 1: on it. But, you know, when they get a role. Oh,
27:39
Speaker 1: my God, Robbie was on Neighbours. Oh, there's some great
27:41
Speaker 1: people on there. But often when there's a reality star
27:44
Speaker 1: or someone with a public profile that gets a role
27:47
Speaker 1: on that show, they're not that great. Some people just
27:49
Speaker 1: have to be hot, don't they? Now, it's quite interesting
27:51
Speaker 1: because the podcast hosts and Matt are actually under the
27:55
Speaker 1: same management. And I think that that's how he ended
27:57
Speaker 1: up appearing on this show. And you could tell that
28:00
Speaker 1: the boys had been instructed not to directly ask about Tammy. Instead,
28:04
Speaker 1: they seemed to really tiptoe around it. And they posed
28:07
Speaker 1: a lot of questions about how Matt is enjoying life
28:10
Speaker 1: now and how he's managed to pull himself out of
28:12
Speaker 1: this dark place. And Matt was very keen to reiterate
28:16
Speaker 1: just how good life is now that he's no longer
28:19
Speaker 1: with Tammy. Let's have a listen to what he said.
28:23
Speaker 4: Life's so good and I'm realizing that every day. It's
28:26
Speaker 4: so fucking good and just like living it. I'm loving
28:28
Speaker 4: it so much.
28:30
Speaker 1: What are the parts of it that make it good?
28:31
Speaker 4: Everything. Honestly, waking up. And I know this sounds so cliche,
28:35
Speaker 4: but like seriously, like I'm so happy with life at
28:38
Speaker 4: the moment. Come from where I was and how down
28:41
Speaker 4: and in the dumps and hating life I was, I'm
28:44
Speaker 4: just so grateful for it now, man, and I'm excited.
28:46
Speaker 4: I'm really excited for what's coming. I was in fight
28:49
Speaker 4: or flight literally every single day and I wake up
28:52
Speaker 4: now and I'm just at peace and I'm fucking loving it, man.
28:56
Speaker 4: Like I'm loving it so much. Like I get to
28:58
Speaker 4: make decisions myself. I actually worry about Matt Sikowsky now,
29:02
Speaker 4: like about him and what he's doing with his day
29:05
Speaker 4: and how I make myself happy and how I not
29:09
Speaker 4: people around me sort of thing. Do you know what
29:10
Speaker 4: I mean?
29:12
Speaker 1: I love the way he referred to himself in third person.
29:15
Speaker 1: I've got to worry about what Matt Sikowsky wants. You know,
29:19
Speaker 1: when someone oversells something, like I genuinely hope he is
29:21
Speaker 1: feeling as happy as he explained, but it was almost
29:25
Speaker 1: a bit too much that you're trying to prove something.
29:28
Speaker 1: I actually think he is genuinely feeling that way and
29:32
Speaker 1: that there's a big weight that's been lifted off his shoulders.
29:35
Speaker 1: He also spoke about when he was at his lowest
29:37
Speaker 1: point and he said he wasn't training hard at the gym.
29:40
Speaker 1: He was letting himself go by eating shit and he
29:43
Speaker 1: wasn't working as we touched on earlier, which made him
29:45
Speaker 1: feel like he wasn't achieving much. And he said that
29:48
Speaker 1: now he's back in a good place. He's journaling, he's
29:51
Speaker 1: hitting the gym. He also joked that people would pay
29:53
Speaker 1: big money for his journals. And his friends actually warned
29:56
Speaker 1: him not to leave it in his car because they
29:59
Speaker 1: thought maybe someone would break into it and steal it
30:02
Speaker 1: and potentially sell it to the tabloids for a lot
30:04
Speaker 1: of money. So I would have a read of this journal.
30:07
Speaker 1: I mean, we've spoken on the podcast about how Matt
30:08
Speaker 1: has tried to get back into reading and it was
30:10
Speaker 1: quite sweet. He's been reading Goosebump novels. I wonder if
30:14
Speaker 1: he'd ever work with a ghostwriter to put his story
30:17
Speaker 1: out there. Are we thinking that potentially once all the
30:21
Speaker 1: papers are signed and the divorce is settled, that more
30:24
Speaker 1: might come out? Like, would he release a book? Because
30:28
Speaker 1: the fact that he is journaling makes me think that
30:30
Speaker 1: there's something he wants to do with it in the end.
30:32
Speaker 1: And he's trying to document what's happened. I mean, I
30:35
Speaker 1: think he is journaling for his own mental health, but
30:38
Speaker 1: I mean, I would love to read a tell-all or
30:40
Speaker 1: at least listen to an audio book of a tell-all
30:43
Speaker 1: by him. It would be very fascinating. Matt also admitted
30:46
Speaker 1: during this interview that in recent months, he's been receiving
30:50
Speaker 1: a lot of apologies. Let's have a listen. I, I, um,
30:54
Speaker 1: I've had a.
30:55
Speaker 4: Lot of apologies in the last couple of months. Yeah.
30:58
Speaker 1: Lots of apologies.
30:59
Speaker 4: People messaging me saying, sorry that like I said this
31:02
Speaker 4: and commented this. I got a lot of that. Um,
31:04
Speaker 4: but I, what you're saying about your friends and family
31:08
Speaker 4: going through tough times, knowing that they knew truth and
31:12
Speaker 4: they knew stuff really got me through it as well.
31:13
Speaker 4: Cause at the end of the day, that's all that matters.
31:15
Speaker 4: That's all you need. That's all you need. Like if
31:17
Speaker 4: your people know the truth and like that you care
31:19
Speaker 4: about and that's what matters.
31:21
Speaker 1: So these are random people on the internet that are
31:23
Speaker 1: messaging him saying, sorry, I got the completely wrong impression
31:27
Speaker 1: of you. Well, yeah. And I think that since there's
31:29
Speaker 1: been a bit more bad publicity out about Tammy, they're
31:31
Speaker 1: also saying, oh, I can see where you're coming from.
31:34
Speaker 1: It is interesting that he also referenced that his friends
31:37
Speaker 1: and family know the truth about what happened because he's
31:40
Speaker 1: kind of putting out there. that there's a lot more
31:42
Speaker 1: that has gone on behind the scenes and people shouldn't
31:45
Speaker 1: be following maybe the line that Tammy seems to be
31:47
Speaker 1: towing at the moment. I mean, it makes sense because
31:49
Speaker 1: at the moment, they're both pushing these agendas that they're
31:52
Speaker 1: the victims in the situation and it's the other person
31:54
Speaker 1: that caused all of the problems. He was really trying
31:57
Speaker 1: to act like he's been the bigger person because he
31:59
Speaker 1: told this story about how when two people are going
32:03
Speaker 1: at it, the only people who win are the media
32:06
Speaker 1: and people consuming the content. And he said that he
32:08
Speaker 1: had the mentality from the start and presumably told Tammy this,
32:12
Speaker 1: that they shouldn't throw shit at each other because no
32:14
Speaker 1: one is going to win out of it. I mean, yes,
32:16
Speaker 1: that is definitely true. We also need to remember that
32:19
Speaker 1: they're still going through all of the legalities involved in
32:22
Speaker 1: a divorce. And I suppose no one really wants to
32:25
Speaker 1: go slam the other one publicly and ruin their chances
32:29
Speaker 1: of ending this marriage amicably. Hmm. Well, last week we
32:33
Speaker 1: reported that Matt was spotted with a new girl and
32:35
Speaker 1: it was a normie Adelaide girl by the name of
32:38
Speaker 1: Emily Lawson. I just feel offended for anyone called a normie. Well,
32:41
Speaker 1: I'm saying she's not famous, is she? I mean, she
32:43
Speaker 1: has maybe like 6,000 followers on Instagram. Again, I'm sort
32:46
Speaker 1: of uncomfortable with the term famous, but you mean she's
32:48
Speaker 1: not a public figure? She's not a public figure, no.
32:50
Speaker 1: And yeah, and he appeared to travel to Adelaide to
32:53
Speaker 1: go on a date with her. However, during this podcast interview,
32:57
Speaker 1: he said he wasn't looking for anything serious anytime soon.
33:01
Speaker 1: He admitted though that he has been chatting to girls.
33:04
Speaker 1: He said that the dating world seems new now and
33:06
Speaker 1: he had no idea that people sent voice notes all
33:09
Speaker 1: of the time. I think what he's more finding is
33:11
Speaker 1: that that's what happens when you date younger Gen Z girls.
33:14
Speaker 1: That sounds like a fucking nightmare. I mean, it was
33:16
Speaker 1: bad enough back in the day when you had to
33:18
Speaker 1: construct a text message back. At least you could get
33:20
Speaker 1: everyone to help you. But imagine having to, you know,
33:23
Speaker 1: plan this voice message and you having to think about
33:26
Speaker 1: the tone of your voice, how long it is, what
33:28
Speaker 1: you say, re-recording it. It kind of reminds me on Seinfeld.
33:31
Speaker 1: when George Costanza would gear himself up to leave the
33:35
Speaker 1: voice message on the answering machine. Do you reckon people
33:38
Speaker 1: are writing full-blown scripts to read off and try and
33:41
Speaker 1: sound a bit casual? I find that a lot of
33:43
Speaker 1: my younger friends will send voice messages and I always
33:47
Speaker 1: respond just with a written message. Isn't it weird to
33:50
Speaker 1: think that Gen Zers are so against talking on the phone,
33:53
Speaker 1: but they then want to have this like pre-recorded conversation.
33:57
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, I'm going to say my bit. And
34:00
Speaker 1: then send it off and then you say you'll be like,
34:01
Speaker 1: wouldn't it just be easy to pick up the phone
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Speaker 1: and have a chat if that's what you're doing? Yeah,
34:05
Speaker 1: but then you can listen to it at a time
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Speaker 1: that suits you. I actually love listening to them from friends.
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Speaker 1: I feel like it's a really great way to bring
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Speaker 1: a conversation or a situation to life. I just don't
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Speaker 1: feel like I'm good at them. which people might find
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Speaker 1: ironic considering we do sit on a podcast and record ourselves.
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Speaker 1: I just find it self-indulgent because it's like, I've then
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Speaker 1: got to go through and almost take notes on what
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Speaker 1: you've said to remember to respond to those bits. It
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Speaker 1: does get tough, but I suppose it's easier than riding
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Speaker 1: a full slab. I think people do it for the ease. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: that aside, the podcast host also ended up asking Matt
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Speaker 1: if he was nervous about going on dates and now
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Speaker 1: that he's well-known and that some women might be after
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Speaker 1: him for clout, which is quite funny, off the back
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Speaker 1: of what Tammy said. And Matt said he realised that
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Speaker 1: he's never going to change anyone's perception of him and
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Speaker 1: he also thinks he'd be able to pick up on
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Speaker 1: whether someone was dating him for the wrong reasons, which
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Speaker 1: is quite interesting when you consider the fact that Emily Lawson,
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Speaker 1: the Adelaide girl, straightaway shared a selfie with him. Mm-hmm. Well,
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Speaker 1: we don't know at what stage of their relationship they're at.
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Speaker 1: Surely she would have had to ask his permission to
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Speaker 1: do that. But I do think he's found himself in
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Speaker 1: a situation where, you know, people are now more interested
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Speaker 1: in who he's dating off the back of dating Tammy.
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Speaker 1: And there will be people using him. And it's sort
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Speaker 1: of funny that he's been accused of doing that himself.
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Speaker 1: So maybe he does know the signs to look out for,
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Speaker 1: might echo his own behavior. Yeah, well, I think that
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Speaker 1: is all we have time for today. Thank you so
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