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The Reality Of Human Trafficking: It’s Closer Than You Think · Voices for Voices®

• 0:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Hi everyone, it's Justin here, Voices for Voices.
• 0:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you so much for tuning in, whether you're watching, listening, here in the United States or across 120 countries across the world.
• 0:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're grateful to have you with us.
• 0:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, if you are new to uh Voices for Voices, welcome.
• 0:23
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And if you've joined us on other episodes, welcome back.
• 0:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh today's episode uh as all of our shows are intended to be, are powerful and wanting to help people at the at the core level, and so we are grateful to have guests from the set me free project.
• 0:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so, as we know, and uh and followers uh of Voices for Voices, we uh have a huge heart for human trafficking, victims, survivors, those that uh may be in heaven right now.
• 1:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, and there are just so many great organizations out helping uh helping individuals kind of after the fact of being trafficked.
• 1:23
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And the uh intriguing part about what this episode is gonna be about is to stop human trafficking before it starts.
• 1:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So before the opportunities for bad actors come along, we want to make sure and at least try to give as many tools as possible to the decision makers, to parents, to guardians.
• 1:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And before I introduce our guests, I just want to share the industries that the Set Me Free Project uh serves because I was just blown away uh as I was doing uh some uh some research ahead of time.
• 2:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So they serve the education, business and industry, government and public service, health care, community organizations, foster care and system-involved youth, parents and caregivers, faith communities, and they have all kinds of great tools and information that our guests are gonna be able to talk to.
• 2:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So I am gonna try to talk less and have our guests talk more.
• 2:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So joining us from the Set Me Free Project is the head of the organization, Stephanie Olson, and then we also have Dale Bonavita from the Set Me Free Project.
• 3:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So thank you both for joining us on this episode.
• 3:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're grateful to have you with us to talk about the work that you do, and we need the world needs more people like you uh to help get ahead of this just terrible uh thing that we call human trafficking.
• 3:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So, Stephanie, if you just want to take it away and we'll we'll go from there.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_03: Well, thank you for inviting us.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_03: I really appreciate it.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_03: And it's um really I'm grateful to be here.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it's it's interesting because uh the Set Me Free project began because there was a lot of good stuff happening, but it was very much on the restoration and recovery side that people were really trying to um deal with the human trafficking and the victimization of individuals after the fact, which is really important to do.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_03: But only one to two percent of trafficked individuals are recovered and restored.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so we thought, gosh, we need to stop this before it starts.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_03: And um, it's probably important for me to just define human trafficking really quickly.
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  SPEAKER_03: It is the um buying and selling of an individual.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_03: So it is the use of force, fraud, or coercion uh to compel an individual to provide services such as um labor, some sort of services or commercial sex acts.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_03: So we're talking about sex and labor trafficking, and it really is rampant in all everywhere.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah.
• 4:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Dale, do you want to uh uh join in on uh kind of dovetailing uh Steph Stephanie's uh intro and then how uh your interest and passion for the work that you do, you know, uh waking up each day and having that passion for the work that you do.
• 5:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's not just a job that it's you know uh emotionally tied into uh the work that you and uh Stephanie and team do.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I actually want to, Justin, piggyback something that you shared at the beginning of this.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and to your point, there is so much out there for survivors and to help people that have gone through these tragedies.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_02: But to your point, I'm in Colorado, Stephanie's in Omaha, and I'm gonna echo what you said.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_02: There's so many organizations that have safe houses that work with survivors that help people that have been through it.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_02: But but what I've learned in in my time with the Set Me Free Project is there's so very few people out there and organizations out there to echo you that do education to help prevent human trafficking.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_02: And I appreciate you letting us on Voices for Voices, because I think that we need to spread the word more rampantly that there are ways to help prevent it before it ever happens.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_02: And kudos to all of these places that are there to help survivors and help victims, um, you know, which you don't like to use that word so much, but to help survivors and people that have been impacted.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but again, there's so little education.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_02: And and you nailed it for me.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_02: I've been a lifelong educator for 30 years, helping students and families in the high schools and as a college advisor.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_02: And when I met Stephanie, this just spoke to my heart because I do want to help spread that word that there's education to help stop and help prevent human trafficking.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_02: And the more we talk about it, the more people are gonna be comfortable talking about it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the more um the the the better that we can do to help prevent it.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_02: And and I don't know about about your neck of the woods, but when I tell people what I do, the they're like, oh my gosh, that's great.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_02: And then the conversation stops because people don't want to talk about it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so my passion in getting involved with Stephanie and the set me free is to get through that hump of let's talk about it.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_02: It shouldn't be taboo, let's talk about it.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_02: That's good.
• 7:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, it it and I I know from our uh perspective uh and um just guessing from yours as well that it human trafficking it it's almost like a taboo topic.
• 7:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That oh, it's happening over there, this other area, that it's only certain demographics, and it is a you know controversial type of topic that very few people wanna number one want to talk about and share.
• 7:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So to your point of you know one to two percent.
• 7:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's absolutely true, because we um with our organization, we have teamed up with a uh a survivor, and there's so few, even for him as a survivor, there's so few organizations that actually are action-oriented, not just checking the boxes to get the the grants and the donations and like all that's great.
• 8:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um but it you know, our our counterpart, like he doesn't need that, he needs safety, he doesn't need to be hiding in a hotel for the last 12 years um and have his social security number changed, have his name changed, can't get credit, can't get a house, and it is it is just so awful.
• 8:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, that uh I we get and we've gotten um even close to to me, like family and and that with me.
• 9:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They're like, you don't need to talk about that, you know.
• 9:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You can talk about you know, I don't want to say like the fluffy topics of like mental health and that, like all that's good, but it's not gonna make the difference that I want to make, that our organization wants to make, and what you uh the difference you and your organization and your team want wants to make.
• 9:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I feel that we're all uh regardless of faith and all that, um, we all are we all have some kind of driving force of why we do what we do.
• 9:37
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I fully believe that I'm here to do what we're doing, and that's why we're not silent about um human trafficking, that it is a godsend to have you know your organization and you Dale reaching out, um, because it it is that you know we send messages and and uh and some of the survivors they they don't want to talk about it, yeah.
• 10:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So we don't get responses, and then other organizations, it's like, well, I gotta check with you know my leadership.
• 10:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I I get that to an extent, but if you really want to make a change, you have to say something, you have to be seen.
• 10:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, even if it's sign language, you gotta do something that shows that we're action-oriented, that we're not just gonna listen, which is great.
• 10:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, I I go to therapists and all that for me, um, for for my mental health, um, and all that's great, but survivors and then people before uh hopefully that don't go down those paths with the Set Me Free Project, uh, being able to educate is so important.
• 10:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And parents, guardians just need to buy into that and go, hey, this is happening, all zip codes throughout the United States, throughout the the world, and we just need to all just help each other and look out for each other, which I feel like maybe the the world of the United States, like we haven't done that great a job the past however many years.
• 11:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um can you speak to the education piece that is uh a big cornerstone of what you do?
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_03: Uh you you hit the nail on the head, um, first of all, the in saying, you know, people think it's over there, those people over there.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_03: There are no people over there.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_03: It is happening right here in our communities, in our schools.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_03: And I always say when we're talking to um parents and caregivers, grandparents, it's happening to our kids, our grandkids in our homes because of social media.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_03: And so we our goal is that to educate with critical thinking.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_03: That is our whole MO.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_03: And so we have a curriculum from kindergarten through 12th grade for youth that we love to get in the hands of people who serve youth.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_03: And we are talking, you know, kindergarten through sixth grade, we're talking about consent, healthy relationships, social media safety, what a trustworthy person is.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_03: And then in seventh grade, we really start talking about sex and labor trafficking, forced criminalization, and what those things look like along with social media safety and healthy relationships.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_03: And all of our curriculum is age and developmentally appropriate.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_03: And so what we're telling seventh graders is not the same thing that we're telling 12th graders, and and it really does vary by range and by um by circumstance, culture.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's all it's all very different.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_03: So we have over 30 plus pieces of curriculum.
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  SPEAKER_03: But then we also have curriculum, as you said, for adults of every facet of the industries of the communities.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so we have both training for adults and curriculum that we can get in the hands of agencies to do that in their communities, but we also provide online courses, especially for corporations, um, companies in that onboarding process.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_03: And all of those online courses, it's not a video that you're sitting and watching.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's interactive, it's fun.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_03: And I I would say actually that what makes sets us apart really is that everything we do is very interactive.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, we ask a lot of questions because we want it to be critical thinking.
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  SPEAKER_03: We come from a pedagogy standpoint, so it's about the learner hearing it and receiving it.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_03: And then we bring a lot of humor into our conversation because that is a very important way to just retain information from an education standpoint.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_03: And we always say we take our topic very seriously, but not ourselves.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_03: And so our curriculum is kind of it's it's huge.
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  SPEAKER_03: There's a bunch of different pieces, a lot of different ways to receive the curriculum.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_03: And um, and then I I should add, we for parents and caregivers, we actually have an online course and a book called Talk Early, Talk Often on how to talk to your youth about human trafficking and technology.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_03: And so we really love to provide a lot of different formats in the education that we have.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_02: And and can I jump in?
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think that you both hit this, hit the nail on the head too.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_02: And and I I was writing down something because I didn't want to forget.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's really a paradigm shift in today's world right now.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_02: And as a lifelong educator, watching um books get banned, watching topics get banned, watching parents wanting things out of health courses and social studies courses that they feel is inappropriate, I think that we need a paradigm shift in education of this sort across the board because as Stephanie said, it is happening everywhere.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_02: But as an educator in schools, I've made several phone calls home to parents to say, do you know that your child is gaming and Charlie is their best friend and they've never met Charlie and they can't wait to get home at the end of the day so that they can talk to Charlie, never having met him.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_02: And parents receive that by saying, Oh, I know what they're doing.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_02: And they literally unfortunately don't, but the paradigm shift comes in that I feel like we all need to open our eyes, as Stephanie said, that people shy away from talking about it and it is happening everywhere.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_02: And so I do believe that that paradigm shift and coming on your show and getting our name and getting our word out there is going to help start society down that path of let's talk about it.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and Stephanie's book is talk early, talk often, and it could not be a better title because we do need to talk about it everywhere.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I just came from a trip overseas and there was girls on the street holding up massage signs, massage, massage, I mean, like every 10 feet.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_02: And of course, where does my brain go being in this industry?
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, to some kind of trafficking of some capacity, because it was literally every 10 feet.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_02: And so I do want to say something that Stephanie forgot.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_02: What sets us apart also is that we are vetted.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_02: So we're not going to Wikipedia looking up what the data is, what the statistics are, like what is happening.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like it is actually, and I'm gonna let her jump in and talk more to it, but we are vetted.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_02: And so not only are we trauma informed, but we are vetted giving you facts and education that is very different than anything out there.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's true.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_03: Good point.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we actually have our curriculum.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_03: We use we we work very closely with researchers and experts in the field.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_03: We're experts on human trafficking, but we're definitely not experts in the financial industry or um the hospitality industry or medical.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_03: And so we partner with those people to write very strong curriculum.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_03: And then we work with researchers to um really review our curriculum and make sure that it is uh rigorously reviewed, that it's effective.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, we collect a lot of data because it's hard to measure data for prevention.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_03: You can't say I stopped somebody from being trafficked, but what we can measure is is there a change of behavior?
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_03: And what are we seeing, whether it be through technology, through healthy relationships, through knowledge of human trafficking and things like that.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_03: And so, yeah, we work very hard to make sure that all of our curriculum is trauma informed and um everything we do is survivor-led.
• 18:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, that's that's so important.
• 18:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It is, yeah, it it's like they're the individuals are talking to people that understand they're not just book smart, right?
• 18:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like they actually, you know, Dale, you know, coming back from a trip and you actually like you with your own eyes and you're like you're seeing and hearing that.
• 18:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um and I I don't like to talk about personal stuff, uh family in that.
• 18:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um but I'm a I'm a I'm a very transparent person, and in and some of my family obviously doesn't agree with some of the topics they talk about, but I feel like this is my calling.
• 18:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And one of our uh one of our past guests, she was uh sexually abused throughout her childhood.
• 19:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: She didn't come forward for many years, and I'm sure you can you know talk or at least appreciate that of like not everybody's gonna be like, hey, this just happened yesterday.
• 19:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's like there's some processing needs to that come through.
• 19:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And she lives in kind of Boston, Massachusetts area, and there was uh uh statute of limitations on going after somebody who's trafficked or abused uh children, and she got a law changed to expand the uh statutes of limitations.
• 19:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So that's kind of one aspect, and it's it's great.
• 19:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It it didn't help her for where she was with it as long as it was from her to to rapport and and and that.
• 19:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, but she uh ended up writing a a book and it's called I Love You So Much that and she talks in the book, and it's it's maybe like a 15-page picture children's book, and uh there's an these two pages she's basically saying you know, nobody should be looking at your private parts, you shouldn't be showing your private parts, you know, like there's only you know like your parents, you know, if you're giving bats and and doctors, if they're doing their uh their assessment and their their health checks, and she sent me a copy of it, and I uh I have a seven and a half year old going on, 21-year-old.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um that's what they do, yeah.
• 20:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, so I was like, I I want to read this to my daughter because I she's just getting to be into that age where uh you know being a cheerleader and and that and jumping, and then like people are like, Oh, I see your underwear, and it's it it's starting.
• 21:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so I I I went to read it the one night, and my wife was just like, you know, we can't read this to to her anymore.
• 21:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I'm like, why?
• 21:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's like what was this talking about like private parts, and and I'm like, I want to give as much faith to the education system, but I would also rather some information like that come from the parents of instead of from like it's great to get that kind of validation at school, but if you're able to share as a parent and say, Look, if this is happening, if somebody's asking this, and they're like, Okay, yeah, this is fine.
• 21:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, and so my own, yeah, my own wife is.
• 22:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like, no, we can't do this.
• 22:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm like, well, like, when is it gonna be?
• 22:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like, we either do it now, like where you're at, and do it ahead of time, or we do it uh after the fact, oh god forbid something happens, and then we have to go, oh well, I wish I would have did this, or I wish I would and it doesn't mean that none that she's gonna go skate through uh easy and not have to deal with it, but I just kind of feel like if uh if as a parent and a guardian, just as much as uh government industry, uh the educators, uh I I love how you you you talked the kind of both.
• 22:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You like you include you know the the guardians and the community in it, not just you know one industry or just one sector.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_03: You know, uh to something you said, uh that's what you were talking about with your daughter.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's so important because it is an uncomfortable topic.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_03: And it's hard to talk about some of those things, but it is critical that we do it.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_03: I I always say um, you know, to parents, you want to have the sex talk so early that your child doesn't even remember the first time you've had the conversation.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_03: And you want to do the same with things like human trafficking.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_03: And it you want to do it in an age and developmentally appropriate way.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_03: It's not that you're trying to scare them, you're not trying to, but what you are doing is is sharing the the realities um, you know, with with body parts, for example.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_03: One of the things we talk about all the time is it is so important to use the actual terms of of body parts because what sometimes parents will do is they'll use terms like, oh, cookie or you're, you know, and what this actually happened to a child.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_03: Um, her parents called her vagina a cookie, and um, she was being molested by her stepfather, and so she went into her teacher and she said, Um, my daddy has been touching my cookie.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_03: And of course, the teacher had no idea what she was saying, and she thought she was talking about an actual cookie, and it wasn't, it took a long time for that to come out.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_03: And so those are really important things to start having conversations, and you do it in an appropriate way, but but I don't think we as parents and caregivers should be afraid to have those conversations because they do need to hear them early, which is what that book is all about.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_03: You know, we want to talk about those things, but we do want to talk about it in a way that um won't be fear-based and that a child will understand.
• 25:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Absolutely.
• 25:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Dale, did you want to jump, jump in?
• 25:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Look like your mind was going.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_02: No, I know my mind is always going.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's all about that paradigm shift and getting people to talk about it.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, I was nodding when you were talking, Justin, because you want to talk about it, but your wife doesn't.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_02: That's indicative of across everywhere.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, and being in Colorado, that's what I've encountered.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_02: Is I am a little surprised, new to the industry, like in the last year, that people are like, wow, that's great what you're doing.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_02: And that's it.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_02: Like I didn't pause because that's literally what I get.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_02: And people are eager to help.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_02: But to your point, Justin, your your wife doesn't really want to talk about it.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_02: That's what's happening across the board.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_02: And and you nailed it, Justin, when you said, you know, why not talk about it before it happens rather than having to go to that survivor mode.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because traffickers or people who want to do harm count on the fact that you've not talked about it.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_03: And that is where they do their best work.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_02: And and there was news just out um as I scrolled through my feed looking at different things the other day, that at the World Cup there was a ton of arrests in, I want to say it was Miami.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_02: And yet there's one little one little blip on my Facebook news feed, and it's not being shouted off the rooftops.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 26:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah.
• 26:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And and that's that's the troubling part, is a couple of uh points.
• 26:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, it it needs to be given the air time, um it as well as I feel like law enforcement and I I I love everybody, I love all humans, and there's good people and there's not good intention people.
• 27:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh we we had uh the uh the district attorney of San Diego, and they uh other cities have Comic-Con conferences, and they have a a pretty big one out there, and I didn't realize San Diego County is like one of the biggest counties, I guess, in the United States.
• 27:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I just happened to see through my feed last year that she just doing uh a press conference talking about a sting operation from the year before, where they uh at the Comic Con found uh I forget how many uh people that they arrested that were looking to do that.
• 27:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And and and what she was talking about uh last year, and then we had her on again, is for things like that, you know, the people dress up.
• 28:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So they dress up, it's kind of like Halloween, where like you dress up like and you and these these individuals, you know, they dress up like superheroes, and and so it it's it's kind of to the point where it's like, oh, well, this is Superman or this is uh superwoman or catwoman, and and and so it makes it that much tougher in those instances where the person is you know head to toe in a disguise.
• 28:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's hard enough when they're not, but when they are, it's almost like what how is a how's a child going to react to that?
• 28:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And they might just equate whatever uh whatever character that that person is, like, oh, I'm going to hang out with Superman or whoever that is, and and it can be these you know people with ill intentions, and uh Summer Stefan, uh the DA, she said, you know, we we we target the these uh individuals, and uh, you know, it's you know, just kind of like the public safety announcement of you know, if you're trying to come to our city and our county to do this, it's not gonna be acceptable, and we're gonna have operations, but um, that's just another layer of that that process of not just, oh, it's like a person with no disguise on, and then you take it to that next level, and it's like you you don't even recognize them, and if they go and if something, you know, heaven forbid happens, and they're trying to explain to authorities or medical staff, like what do they look like?
• 29:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's like, oh, they were Superman, and and so it makes it even tougher.
• 29:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But I just want to get back to the the education of your organization.
• 29:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: How can members of the community, members of the industry, how can they get plugged into your curriculum?
• 30:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And how does that all happen as far as that connection to your organization?
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, absolutely.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, we have uh a lot of ways that you can do that.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_03: One of the things I would say the best way to do it would be to go to setmefreeproject.net.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_03: And if you go to our website, there is an area that talks about our ready to stand curriculum, which is exactly what that is.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_03: And through that, you will be able to access.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you can there's things that you can click on to reach out to find more or to talk to somebody about the curriculum.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_03: And we are always, we're not one size fits all, so you can't just grab the curriculum and go.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_03: We really want to make sure that it is that it works for you, for your organization, um, for what you're doing for your community.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_03: And so we talk through what would be the best for you.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um, the one exception to that would be um we do have Human Trafficking 101 online, um, our online course, and then our parent and caregiver course.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_03: And that you can just go and um purchase.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_03: It's a very nominal fee of$20, and you can purchase our books um uh through Amazon and our website.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_03: And so there's a lot of ways to to um get get information, but we also have toolkits on our website, and so you can go to our toolkit page and you can download resources for yourself, you can um share them on social media, there's videos, so there's a lot of stuff there that can really can really benefit.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_03: Dale, anything I I missed there?
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, and again, I love piggybacking both of you because as you caught on, Justin, my brain is always going.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_02: And and and I do want to backtrack to say, going back to the theme of it literally happens everywhere.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not just at the World Cup and it's not just on the streets of New York.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it is in small town, Colorado.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_02: It is in Montrose, Colorado, it is in Pagosa Springs, Colorado.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_02: It is the little towns also that experience this also.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not just the truck stop and let me snatch somebody out of the convenience store at the truck stop.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_02: It is literally everywhere as people, and Stephanie, I'm gonna let you talk about this a little bit, as people are getting groomed, and the grooming process takes a long time.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_02: And and again, it's it's people in general are it's not gonna happen to my family.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_02: I don't need to worry about it.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_02: And coupled with coming out of education and working with um with families that have homeschooled, with with school districts that want to protect their students, everybody feels like we're protecting by not talking about it.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_02: And so my soapbox is is how the heck do we get people to talk about it?
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_02: How can we spread the word?
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_02: And this is why I'm thankful we're on your show because if we can reach three more people that are willing to talk about it, then those three people will tell people who will tell people who will tell people.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_02: And it's I would like to see that as the change is let's talk about it.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, absolutely.
• 33:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I didn't know if you wanted uh jump back in, Stephanie, or no, that's yeah, 100%.
• 33:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, it's uh it it it is, it just I I I feel where it's like a polarizing topic.
• 33:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Either people like us where like we want to talk about it, we want to share and we wanna help, and then there's others that like you said, like we're helping by not talking about it.
• 34:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Right.
• 34:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And it's uh it's it it doesn't do any good to really anybody not to talk about it.
• 34:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's kind of uh kind of to go into the to the homeschool uh world, uh, and that's how our uh our partner how uh he was groomed.
• 34:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: He was groomed uh as a homeschooler, and he uh was plugged into the Christian fantasy uh writing world, and uh he's autistic and has Asperger's and and and so one of the people in the group, as you said, like oh I can't wait till I get home, then I can talk to so-and-so on roadblocks or whatever.
• 34:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Roadblocks is terrible.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_02: It is and it was just in the news.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I again I I watch the news feed sometimes um while I'm working, and it was just in the news that someone is suing roadblocks because of something that happened to their child.
• 35:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, there's so much, it's just amazing.
• 35:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And it's like, oh, well, look, here's an outlet where children can do, and it and it's it's it's terrible.
• 35:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And and and and so our partner, he uh he that's how he was groomed.
• 35:23
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And they talk about um, and we're actually going through a lawsuit now, so we're actually being sued, our organization, me, and uh our partner David Solomon by his trafficker, and so that's one another thing that happens to the individuals.
• 35:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um so he he got away and he wasn't supposed to.
• 35:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: He was they they they he was basically labor and sex trafficked.
• 35:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: He is a good writer, so that's what they used him for to write uh books.
• 36:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um he actually wrote The Sound of Freedom under a ghost writer, a ghost pen name.
• 36:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um and and so yeah, we're we're being sued by the very person and their community uh because he came on our show and he shared his story and what happened.
• 36:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I I don't like using kind of like analogies like show me the receipts or uh, but I mean he was showing receipts like here, look here, you know, they're saying that I was never happening.
• 36:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, here is you know, my mom kept uh these uh have you seen posters of when I was gone and all these different ways, and unfortunately, there's just so much corruption that that happened that he he actually and his mom like reported it, but nothing ever got done, and that's why we're sitting there 14 years later and we're being sued because it's like well, number one, you weren't supposed to get away, and then number two, they're they're looking and trying to find him because they want to injure him at the very least, because he wasn't supposed to get away.
• 37:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh are you saying he was trafficked by an organization?
• 37:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Connected to the organ organization, yeah.
• 37:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So um Realm Makers is the name of uh and and they do they have control over a lot of a lot of things, but especially like publishing houses, uh Zondervan, uh different so uh the publishing houses that print our Bibles, like they they kind of control these these things.
• 37:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And with David being the survivor, uh him trying to make a living, because that's like what he grew up doing was his mom was a writer and then he learned, and and now he's a writer.
• 38:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so these people, even now, as we're going through this lawsuit, we're like the little person, they're this big organization, and they're calling up these publishing houses that uh and saying you you you need to basically take this writing contract away from David.
• 38:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like, I don't know what they say, I I know that they do threaten they uh are we had an attorney and they shared HIPAA information um about like an impending divorce for me, and his wife was having a baby, and so, anyways, there's all these things that are going on, and this is like after the the fact, and this is just what these people do, and um it and that's I guess why another reason why I'm passionate about it because we share like facts and truth in people's like real stories.
• 39:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's like how how can somebody else say, Well, your story is not true, and then you don't show any facts to back it up.
• 39:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, and so we uh we we just decide fight fire with fire.
• 39:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like you're you're gonna accuse us, like, well, we got the we have the paperwork, we have all these things, and so yeah, we have a uh we have a hearing coming up at the end of the month, and uh we are and we're not backing down, and there's people that uh that wanna obviously hurt people and they hire hitmen into this and that.
• 39:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So I'm very like what you see is what you get.
• 39:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like, I'm this isn't just uh an another interview and another show.
• 39:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like this topic is very near and dear, and uh to you know my wife, she's just like, you just need to get out, and I'm glad I'm like, look, like this is what I'm here for.
• 40:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like, I did the corporate thing for like 15 years, but like I need to be tied in emotionally to what I'm doing.
• 40:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I'm like, if this is what happens, then this is what happens, but I'm gonna I'm gonna help as many people and use like our megaphone, whatever size that is with the our show, and we're gonna help as many people if we have one person step off of the ledge of hey, I'm gonna jump, you know, life's not worth living, uh, somebody sex story and me.
• 40:37
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, you know, so like my parents are gonna find out, and uh so these are very near and dear.
• 40:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So like when Dale, when you doubt, um it really was a godsend because this is so happening across the country, and no matter where where uh where a person lives, um sorry, I I I I just had to like throw that in just so I can know like I'm like a legit person.
• 41:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It isn't just like a hobby, like hey, I'm on the this organization.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_02: And as you speak, and as you speak, Justin, and as you talk about how many different people this touches, Stephanie, can you speak to the students against trafficking also?
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um I feel like because because as we're talking in this conversation about how the outreach and how many people this touches, how we can get more words out, how can we get more information out?
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_03: So Stephanie, you I think you can share a lot about it.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_03: You you work pretty closely with them.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, if you want to start, I just want to make sure that I like I'd rather jump in and let you, you're the guru.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_03: Sounds good.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_03: So we start, we really realized that their college students weren't activated in this um fight.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_03: And although on a smaller level they were, but there was a lot of education happening in high schools and middle schools, over you know, adults, but who was talking to the colleges?
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_03: And so we started, um, we decided we wanted to do something with students on students against trafficking, and we wound up speaking at Creighton University in Omaha, and um they had an amazing students against traffic, a group already that was focused on fighting human trafficking, and we said, hey, look, we're looking to really start this around the nation.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_03: Would you be our pilot school?
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_03: And so they grabbed a hold of it.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_03: And um our goal really is for everything to be very student-led, that um the students would be trained in our curriculum and they would be taught how to not only have these conversations, but if there's somebody on campus that has experienced sexual violence or something, they can be advocates um, you know, and know what to do and where to go.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_03: And we really support them through that.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_03: But also one of the things we really want to do, and we haven't started this yet because this is a brand new program, but we want to have conversations on campus where we really kind of have like a town hall or something just to say, let's talk, let's talk about human trafficking, let's talk about sex work, let's talk about some of the things that are going on and allowing students to ask questions.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_03: And because we do know that there are a lot of students, um, there's a percentage of students on campus that are um doing sex work for their college tuition.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_03: And so our goal is just to really empower students to know what it is, what it's not, what to do.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_03: So, Dale, go ahead.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and you could verbalize that piece of it much better than I can.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and and and again to combine some stuff.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: That the both of you said is, you know, Justin, you alluded to this.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_02: I I I worked in the schools for 30 years.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the lot since 2008 in Colorado, I have a lot of contacts in several school surrounding school districts.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_02: I can't get into a school.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_02: I can't because because to your point, you have to go up the chain of command.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_02: And so I talk to the counselors that I know, and then they talk to their principal, and the principal says, you have to go to admin at the district, and then the districts don't respond.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_02: And so what I love about students against trafficking is we're hitting the kids, the boots on the ground, and they can talk about it.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_02: And then somebody else on campus is going to get wind of it and say, this is fabulous.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_02: Let's make it bigger, let's make it grander.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that the way into some of these communities to talk about it is to go through kids because kids listen to kids.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um, once kids get that ball rolling and they start this whole process of starting an organization of students against trafficking, their parents are going to start hearing it.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_02: Then their younger siblings are going to start hearing it, and their grandparents are going to start hearing it, and their neighbors are going to start hearing it.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_02: So I think it's a fabulous, fantastic process to start in the colleges because I think that that might be one of our best snowball effects is I don't think that we're we we won't hit walls on college campuses because kids want to have a purpose and kids want to have a cause to fight for.
• 45:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I I agree.
• 45:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I as you're talking, I'm I'm I'm just spitballing in my mind that it you know down the down the road or whenever um if there's like a a town hall that you you want to hold, like as you're talking about, like maybe trying to reach out to students in different schools, and um I'd love to be a part of it, and I'd love to have that um on our show, like whether I I come out to wear to the uh in person or whether it's through Zoom.
• 45:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um and so um I I'd I'd love to be a part of of that one and if however that comes about, you know, we can have you know it it and you can lay it out how exactly how how you how you want to.
• 46:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, but I I'd like to do as much as I can and we can and and and just provide kind of a town hall, whether that's like I said, whether I'm able to get out there or um in person or if it's through through Zoom and then have that be an episode and you know maybe do a series.
• 46:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so like I see this it like it's it's big it's bigger than you know our conversation is you know kind of getting the ball rolling.
• 46:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I I think just like in that piece, um, and especially the way Zoom is and that, like we can we can have a lot of a lot of different windows, a lot of different screens, and and kind of you know facilitate and moderate and uh and and to share and and and I I'd I'd love to be able to to do that and have that as an episode so then people start to either start or continue and go, oh my gosh, like we do need to talk about this.
• 47:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And my friend was on the show and they were talking, and it makes sense.
• 47:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And because my friend or my roommate did it, I'm gonna do it, and as you're mentioned, like when when people start seeing people that are related to them, or roommates, or schoolmates, they're in the same class, or they are on the same sport team, or cheerleading, or or whatever it may be, um that it it uh you know it it takes one.
• 47:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like my that's one of my big mantras is you know, one, if we can just have one person, then we've helped one person not do what could very well hurt them and cause them uh great physical and and and mental um trauma and and harm.
• 48:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So I'm open to and anyways, I know we're like it's an evolving conversation, but please please do and include me when when and how that shapes uh shapes.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_02: And I do love that idea also because students love that outlet also.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um and and I'm thinking about the Creighton kids and and how they wouldn't how they would love to publicize what they're doing on the college campus.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um I think that that's right up there, Allie.
• 48:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Absolutely.
• 48:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, uh so we're I I I guess I'm gonna say we were towards like the back end of our show today.
• 49:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh what what haven't I covered, what haven't we we covered that you you'd like to to share um as we um obviously like the website, but then uh social media, like are you active on there that um just kind of that pitch.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I think the first thing I would say is that um, you know, it's just important to recognize that human trafficking doesn't necessarily look like what we think it does, that it's not about kidnapping, it really is about relationship building.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_03: Uh the majority of trafficked individuals don't self-ident self-identify as being trafficked, they don't even recognize it.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_03: And so it is really important that we understand that, especially when we're talking about our families and um that it's not gonna look like kidnapping and shipping overseas, like the movie Taken.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_03: And so one of the things that we really do try and do is is um debunk Ms.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_03: and really talk about things in a very um strong way.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_03: We actually have a podcast ourselves um called Resilience and Relationships.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_03: And one of the things we love to do on that podcast is um take TikToks of human trafficking information and then talk about is that real?
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_03: Is it not real?
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_03: And there's a lot of not real stuff on there.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_03: So um it is important to get educated and get consistently educated because it's constantly changing.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_03: Um, the industry is changing and everything about it.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_03: So we love, we love to do webinars.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um you can uh anything we can do to serve um any com any of your listeners' community, we would we would absolutely love to be a part of that.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_03: And so yeah, they can check us out at setmefreeproject.net.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_03: Um we are on all of the socials.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_03: We are on um Facebook, Instagram, um, TikTok, uh, YouTube, Twitter.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_03: Well, what I can't call it mixed.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_03: It's really hard.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_03: I just it's not as fun.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_03: It's just, yeah, you can't Twitter anymore.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_03: It's Twitter, right?
• 51:17
  unknown: It's Twitter.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_03: But um, yeah, you can find us on all of those.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and we would just love to be of service if we can.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_02: And and I'm gonna jump in and and and say too, um, as I was thinking as you were both talking, as I do, is that it's not just one conversation.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's not a one and done.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_02: And and one of you said this earlier in in the program is, you know, it shouldn't be, it shouldn't be, well, my parents had that conversation with me about the birds and the bees when I was six.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_02: It should be when I'm six, when I'm six and a half, when I'm seven, when I'm eight.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_02: And it should be to the point of this conversation, an ongoing conversation.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_02: And Justin, where where I would love to see you help is to help help your listeners know that it's not a one and done conversation, that this conversation needs to be forever evolving and forever continuing and not just be a one and done, because as the focus of the Set Me Free project is, is it's on education and you educate people about resilience, about healthy relationships.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I can't just talk to you about, hey, this is what digital safety looks like, this is what a healthy relationship looks like, and expect for you to retain it.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_02: As an educator, I taught English, I taught psychology.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_02: I wasn't great the first period of the first day of that lesson.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_02: It took, it took time, it took repetition for me to get good at what I was teaching.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's going to take repetition in conversations to know how are we digitally safe?
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_02: How can we develop resilien resilience?
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_02: How can we develop healthy relationships?
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_02: What do they look like?
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_02: And so many people want to say, oh, you know, here, by the way, this is what grooming looks like.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_02: Now you're safe.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_02: And so, so I would like to see this snowball into multiple conversations with people across the nation.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_02: I have high expectations.
• 53:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah.
• 53:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, I do too.
• 53:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Any anything that yeah, we we can we can do, we can amplify.
• 53:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh I I say this all all our guests, but and and I mean it.
• 53:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Some guests take me up on it, some don't, but it's okay.
• 53:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um but uh please you know use me as a resource.
• 53:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh we it's what we have the show for.
• 53:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh we're on all the the socials, and in fact, the the trafficker got TikTok to take my TikTok down.
• 53:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I only had 600 f uh voices, only I had 600 followers, but they got it to take it down.
• 53:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And they want like videos taken down.
• 53:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And it's like, but that's his story.
• 54:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So like there's the First Amendment, and then it's like, you know, if you don't like it, like I say, you know, the Joe Rogan or Dan Bongino, like there's all these shows that are very polarizing.
• 54:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like, if you don't like what you're hearing, like we're not threatening people, like we're just saying this is where this may have happened, and this is their story, and uh and and and going on a that route and say, look, there's thousands of shows you can tune into.
• 54:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like, you don't have to tune in to mine.
• 54:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So we had to restart our TikTok.
• 54:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We have seven followers, it's fine.
• 54:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And to this day, with the lawsuit going on, the other side's attorney claims, oh, they're not, they're not, you know, stop cyber stalking you.
• 54:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm like, I have seven followers, and how how's come like every couple days my profile is being viewed by two of your clients?
• 55:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And they're like, Well, it's the algorithm.
• 55:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm like, I'm not I I don't go on your client's site, so like they shouldn't be coming up as oh, like, do you know them?
• 55:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Or say, like, your profile's been viewed by this person and and and that person.
• 55:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I uh totally agree with the education that it doesn't stop.
• 55:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh I went through, got my master's, and and I now I'm like, all right, I I I try to learn as much as possible because your point, Dale, uh, with you know, whether it's digital or what whatever, it things are constantly changing.
• 55:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so if we we talk about something today, it may be obsolete in a month or a year, and and so we have to just continue that.
• 55:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And and sometimes people don't realize that, like, oh, I didn't know that this change went into effect, or um, or whatever it may be.
• 56:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And as I can see, I'm kind of used to like losing her thing.
• 56:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: She's like, just my deity's on the call.
• 56:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I want to be honest.
• 56:23
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: She's part of it.
• 56:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um that's funny, but yeah, it it please, and I didn't I didn't mean to sincerely use me as a uh use me as a resource, love to help out in any any way.
• 56:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh that's what we're here for.
• 56:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, we're here for people uh ahead of time before.
• 56:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh so hopefully they don't have to go through it.
• 56:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And and the education, I love that you have that education model for so many industries.
• 56:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You're literally cover cover it all, and and it's uh age appropriate, which is the other other part that it's like, oh well, we can talk about this, but you know, this is really intended for a 16-year-old, not a six-year-old.
• 57:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah.
• 57:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_02: And it's all, and I'm gonna let Stephanie close, but to me, it's all about the paradigm shift of um, you know, like I let's help before it happens, not try and send someone through something similar to AA where you hope that they get healthy.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_02: Like, why not prevent it before they have to go down that road?
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, stop it before it starts.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_03: And and that is our ultimate goal.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_03: I will just say um the bottom line of everything we teach is you have an intrinsic value that no one can change.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_03: And um, I think if we all understood that our own intrinsic value and then understood everybody else's, this would be a different world.
• 57:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, but spot on, spot on.
• 58:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, thank you both.
• 58:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Thanks to Dale Bonavita, Stephanie Olson from the Set Me Free Project.
• 58:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, excited about the work that they're doing.
• 58:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: There's so much more uh that uh that that needs to be done.
• 58:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Please reach out uh to them at the setme, not the www.setme setme free project.net.
• 58:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah to kind of get started.
• 58:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You can see the socials, look at the exact um handles, uh, and then you can look through and then uh find what is pertinent to to you, your community, uh the people that you you serve, and uh let's get ahead of this as as much as as much as we can.
• 58:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And you're the first organization that I've talked to and heard of that is focused on that before it happens.
• 59:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so I I I just pray to people watching, listening, no matter where you're at, uh the core goals.
• 59:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We just want to help fellow humans.
• 59:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We want people to be safe.
• 59:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They want uh help them prosper, whatever that looks like to them.
• 59:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And for uh, you know, we can love the human, but we don't have to love the acts that uh some humans do.
• 59:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh and so again, we're we're grateful that we were able to have Stephanie and Dale on on our show today.
• 59:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And if you can, if you can give us a thumbs up, give us a like, follow, subscribe, share, reshare, repost, or even if your phone's not out, or if you're watching or listening, uh reach out to maybe 25 year contacts and share the Voices for Voices podcast with them.
• 1:00:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Let them know what we what we do.
• 1:00:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh we talk about easy topics, we talk about hard topics, but in the end, we just want to help people, and it's through your help, the viewers and listeners, that we're at over 570 episodes.
• 1:00:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We can't do this without you.
• 1:00:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And this topic that we talk about human trafficking, the knows-no demographic, size, age, what however you want to uh look at it.
• 1:00:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so we we all can can help.
• 1:00:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So thanks for joining us, and we'll see you on the next episode of our show.
• 1:00:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Till next time, let's celebrate all the voices that we have in the world and be a voice, maybe for us.
• 1:00:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Maybe somebody else isn't able to share their voice, or maybe they've uh unfortunately they're in heaven, and uh unfortunately uh a statistic, uh, we can we can share their story and share uh what they meant to the world, what they meant to their families and friends, and and they're uh just uh just re remarkable to have this conversation and so grateful for Stephanie and Dale.
• 1:01:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So we'll see you on the next episode.
• 1:01:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And uh until then, we'll uh we'll see you then.
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_01: All right, thank you.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_01: You're welcome.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Justin.
• 1:01:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Absolutely.