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The Girlies First Day at School (Gilmore To Say Revisited) · Gilmore To Say: A Gilmore Girls Podcast

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[SPEAKER_00]: Five, six, seven, eight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yay!
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, here we go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hi everybody, welcome back to Billboard State.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Tara.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is Haley.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, Haley.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, Tara.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going back to school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not you and I. Well, we're not going back to school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It'd be fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you can go back to school whenever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know it would be acceptable, but it would be a little, you know, drew very more and never been kissed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are in school, so that would be the weird part of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do not want people to guess what great I'm in, currently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think grades go that high.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely don't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We would blend in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If we were in, like, say, Greece, you know, we would blend in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's fair, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were all a hundred years old when they did that movie and they were playing genius.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And my seven year old ass was like, they're in high school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: High schoolers are so cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: High schoolers are so old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I went to a good will recently or the last couple of months recently and was buying some books and this girl was like, oh, are you an APUS history?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like in the road trip to Harvard when Laura like it's mistaken for a college student.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then by that, by that guy, uh, Ginti, she goes, oh, I took that last year and I had to read that book and I was like, oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm in Shepp's class.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Shepp, are you in his class?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm twenty-nine, but thank you so much for thinking that the god bless the skin care routine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know, I was thinking I looked a little old, but I'm not, not that day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But speaking of school in our last episode at the end of it, we were talking about the fact that I've always identified with being more of a rory when it comes to the show, especially when it comes to school, and that you did not quite feel the same.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you said that you were not necessarily a Jess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't like not want to go to school at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't skip school to go to Walmart?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, I didn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you ever skip school?
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[SPEAKER_01]: To do something like maybe not go to Walmart, but just I never know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I never skipped school, but I did skip some classes here and there, especially my senior year because I just, I thought I was
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[SPEAKER_00]: Too cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had seen your ideas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted to get out because too cool for school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was very advanced when I was a kid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was in like an advanced reading group.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about this that like our core memory is that like we were my core memory is that like I will never recover from like being put in advanced reading group in elementary school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because like I'm always going to be chasing that high of like
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, the moment they tell you that you're smart when you're younger, you're like, I want to hear this for the rest of my life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, interestingly, I kind of took a different direction because I almost kind of felt like then I didn't need to try because I was already smart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, well, I can just coast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, make you crave only academic validation for this for life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm excited to talk about that in a second with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But no, I kind of started to air more on the side of just like coasting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like that's a good thing on how smart you were.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would procrastinate a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would cram for tests.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I do think that that was kind of a point of content in between me and my mom because she knew how smart I was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she would always tell me how smart I was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very Emily and Laura lie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that brings me to my point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I am a Laura lie because I mean, I'm certainly not a jazz.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I certainly didn't not care about school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he was smart, but he just was like fuck that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just was so smart and didn't want to do anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Laura lie was super smart, but had this pressure put on her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think that I had the same pressure for my mom, but she was just very encouraging.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was like, you're really smart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why are you not
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[SPEAKER_00]: like applying yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I cared more about socializing and eating junk food and watching TV and honestly I still do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like one of the many reasons that I really connect with Laura lie is like and we sort of spoke to this in the last episode about Jess and Lou about how sometimes you know kids are really smart and they just don't want to go to school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I definitely was not in that camp, but I was in the camp of like
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[SPEAKER_00]: school is great but I want to go on to like perform on a Broadway stage for a living so like yeah do I really need to take this advanced math class I did I took it I liked it I liked math but you know I kind of feel like I am in like the lower light camp when it comes to that kind of stuff I know you're a little different yeah I know you're a lot different
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[SPEAKER_01]: make sense for what I know about you though, is that like you've always gravitated towards lower life, so it makes sense that that would be reflected in like who you are in school, especially because that was like how, you know, like we were teens kind of becoming ourselves alongside the show that do you feel like you were like lower life and
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[SPEAKER_01]: that made you gravitate towards Lauraly or that you saw Lauraly, who was like smart, but still, but like wasn't really that interested in school from what we know of like exposition and you went like further down that path because you were like, Lauraly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to say no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it was that I don't want to say calculated, but that's kind of the only word that comes to mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't think it was that obvious influenced.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in hindsight, maybe I mean, obviously her circumstances were different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She dropped out of school because she had a baby.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's to say where she would have landed had worry not come on the scene like what her parents have forced her to go to college, which she have dropped out would we have seen?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe some of that academic burnout we were talking about with Clara or was she even in a position to go through academic burnout because all we know about Laura lies, you know, what Richard says.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, one of the brightest in her class.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and we also know so much about Laura lie and like her mind and how she operates and we know she smart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but we don't know the ways in which she applied herself in school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All we know is it was circumstantial.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She dropped out because she got pregnant and then she went back to school and we see that drive, but it's just not the same.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what about you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you feel like your academia and the way that you kind of viewed school came from Marie Gilmar or do you think that you were already like that because you were told that you were smart when you were a kid?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's kind of why I asked that because in retrospect it's all because of Marie Gilmar but at the time it did not feel that way and I will say it's not all because of Marie Gilmar because like, not okay, blame Marie Gilmar for one more thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just add it to the list.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I do feel like I blame her in a lot of ways, but like I told you like when I was in I was like first or second grade when they put me in advance reading group and then like when I don't know if your elementary school had this where like you had like an extra class that was I think it was called Horizons where it was like the advanced kids in elementary school went to a separate class sometimes and like
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[SPEAKER_01]: did fun things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was like because you were like quote unquote like accelerated and smart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like the worst thing that the public school system could have ever done for me because like I only ever wanted to like then be in this like you know smarter than everyone else group.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so Gilmore Girls was so influential because like when I was kind of deciding where I was going to be in high school like in terms of like honors classes AP classes all of like the track that I was deciding worry Gilmore really kind of decided it for me, but I only recognize that and retrospect because like all of the ways that you could set up what you wanted to do was like
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[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, the smart classes are the not smart classes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is kind of how I saw it at the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wanted to be where you go more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, what would worry Gilmore do?
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[SPEAKER_01]: She would take all honors classes her first AP class and two honors maths, her freshman year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, that's what I'm going to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, especially because you were going to public high school, correct?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not in high school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like by the end of high school, I had like taken twelve AP classes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I was in every national honor society possible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I had only taken honors class.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I took one like on level class.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was the class that I did all my other homework.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just like didn't even pay attention and still got a hundred and all the tests.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I was like so invested in school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But to the point that I was like hated it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I hated it so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I would come home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and do my homework while watching Gilmore girls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, Oregon more like the ultimate study in Spoe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I would play like seasons one, two and three because we're always doing our homework.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, I felt like I was a study, a study club with Oregon more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is what makes me hate the early season so much because they give me so much anxiety.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, of course.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I associate them with like having to study for tests and getting all my homework done and like I had like way too much work to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would like stay up until like two o'clock in the morning and then have to be at school at like nine a.m.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And but the only like comfort that I had in all of this was doing it alongside Roy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I gravitate towards the later seasons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't like to associate anything that I was doing in school with like the early seasons because I get like I think we've talked about this for we have like high school nightmare dreams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have college nightmare dreams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I have a paper do or I have a class that I haven't attended in months.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't drop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I have to go to the teacher and be like, I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't been here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why I haven't been here, but I haven't been here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's stressful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get those when I watch the early seasons of the show and like I can like cherry pick them and watch a couple of them, but I can't watch it all like in a row.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's easier for like our Patreon where you're watching it now because we're it's very separated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not like sitting down and watching it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: like binge watching it yeah of course and we're we're looking for different things than comfort yeah that's why I like gravitate towards the later seasons is because school stops being a plot point and it starts being a location where everyone's social and fun things are happening and
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we've got friends, we've got Logan, we've got like the newspaper which feels like a fun cool thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't have that like, you know, like offset teenage school anxiety, like that comes back and like makes me feel like I'm like missing an assignment or that I need to like study for something or I haven't studied enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like I always like later really like yellow ory because
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's not so intense about things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or like you said, that's not like a major plot point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because, you know, when we talk about Rory and even Paris and their education, what they do at children is really what's hinting on them getting into the schools that they want to get into.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a major plot point of like, where are they going to go to school?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And who's going to get in where are they both going to get in?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's kind of the
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[SPEAKER_00]: idea rolling around in the back of everybody's mind when it comes to those two characters for all of seasons one through three until of course we get the big one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So to that end, do you feel like because so much of your academic lifestyle was influenced by worry?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you feel like when you went to college school became more of a place less a plot device for you in your own life?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It took a couple of years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say it took like two years to really solidly become a place and not a plot point in my life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I have two older siblings who also went to the same university that I did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I kind of felt like in the same way that I was checking off boxes and like a very worry-go-more-style way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to do all of these things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need all of this academic achievement that now it was kind of placed on this feeling of like, I need to do college in the same way that they did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was almost like the same exact thing where I was like looking to someone else in the same way that I looked to Rory and I only realized all this at all in retrospect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, yeah, and it wasn't until I found my thing that I started to feel as much as a season five about college, as I did, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was a little bit of a season four, kind of trying to figure out my footing and find things for myself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it wasn't until I started doing theater and changed my major to mass media arts that I found the people that I was meant to find.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I found my daily news.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And my life in death brigade, I was not in a secret society by any means, but just that group of people that made college less academic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm more fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I totally hear that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's interesting because my next question was going to be in regards to going back to school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did that make you more excited to go back to school for college?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Were you still able to find the excitement and going back to school in high school?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I loved going back to school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go back to school is fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I, as much as like, as much anxiety as it gave me, I loved going to school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I loved getting dressed for school, especially the first day of school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, of course.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I loved picking out my outfit and getting school supplies, my little notebooks, organizing all my pencils.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just thinking about that now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like I think that's the thing I miss most about being a teenager is like buying school supplies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love buying school supplies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That first day of school feeling when like all your notebooks are new and like you haven't really like gotten into any of your classes yet and you're like the potential of this year for sure such a clean slate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: literally and figuratively.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Literally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's more of like an anxious excitement, which like I feel like there's that line in the show, Gilmore girls, if you've seen it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When Marie told Laura lie that the first day of school started at like five a.m.
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[SPEAKER_01]: or like six a.m.
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[SPEAKER_01]: or something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like kind of how I felt about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, oh my god, I want to be the first one there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to get there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like the anxiety came later when I had to do all of the work, but when it was like fun and exciting, it was more so like I feel like high school Rory excitement about school is kind of more where I was at in high school and her like nervous excitement for college for stay of school that
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[SPEAKER_01]: Laura likes for a stay at Yale.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say I fell more into that and keeping with worry who surprised who shocked not I. Yeah, it's it's also kind of shown through the back to school episodes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we get a back to school episode at least one in each season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's no more different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and of course, the first one is the Lorelaise for stay at Chilton.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, classic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In season two, it's also a very iconic episode, but we know it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little bit late into the season, because most of the other ones, it's like episode two or three, but we don't go back to school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but in episode two, we get hammers and bail.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So worried does go to Chilton.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, she's there for summer school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we see her kind of get it, but it's not actual, like, cool, of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Back to school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, back to summer school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which you can tell it's summer because we're wearing short sleeves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, exactly the little blazers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but then we get it in episode five Nick and Norris and Nancy for Team Jess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a very, very big episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's first day of school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the next one is haunted leg.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's also episode two, which this one feels
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[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting to me because, like, it's very senior year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is where Lorelei presents the, like, the bill for everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love it so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which reminded me of our, come more to consider episode of, like, Jess paying Luke back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But obviously for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A little bit more to Lorelei.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In terms of everything that she spent for her season four, of course, is the Lorelei's first date.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your favorite episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, of course, of other than partings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's also episode two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Episode two of each season so far, we have seen Rory go back to school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then in season five, that's not the case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, because there is a little bit of conflict and drama happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, in season five, it's episode three written in the stars.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What a great up to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, you know what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We meet Jess on the first day of school episode and two and we meet Logan on the first day of school episode and three.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wrote that down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was also going to say in each of the back to school episodes with the exception of the normalized first day at Yale.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We either like meet a love interest or like a love interest kind of like comes best.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Justin, you know, well, Tristan, Ian Jack, I think was originally intended to be a love interest in season one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we never see him again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He went to Russia and apparently stayed there in season two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just in season three.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, Jess comes back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ish, like they have that argument or that banter and doesn't market, but Christopher comes back because Emily
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of gets involved in their conflict, and there's a whole fight at the end of the episode right before Justin Harvey running to each other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go be someone else's dad so intense and then in season five, it's Logan and then in season six in the perfect dress when Roy goes back to school after her hiatus, Logan comes back and tries to get back together with her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting because in season six, there's two because I think that one of the most important back to school episodes is the ungraduate where she doesn't go back to school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where she goes to Yale and like Logan has to go meet with his advisor and she's like feeling really weird and she stands there seeing all those people at like their freshman orientation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But she's being inducted into the D.R.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and like that moment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you're right, when she goes back in the perfect dress, we have this conflict with Logan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then in season seven, it's a wonderful, smart list, which you love.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Loreline Chris episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Emily gets arrested.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's always some sort of spicy conflict happening in the back to school episodes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to be fair, there's always some very, very true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very true, but in season four, even though there's no romantic love interests necessarily between Lorelie and someone, Lorelie and someone, we are kind of dealing with the aftermath of like Luke and Nicole Ish and there's like the banter between
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[SPEAKER_00]: that lie in Luke so like that's kind of there which like that's what's so weird why I love that episode so much like that's one of my favorite episodes because it's so relaxed I know conflict and like the only like boy not drama but the only boy involvement is Luke and he's just really helpful he's just being helpful and also it's literally guys yes I'm rating the delivery guys yeah that's true which I kind of love that we get this almost like
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[SPEAKER_01]: conflict free episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're like the conflict is so clearly like this moment that we've been building towards because like the whole concept of this show is that Laura lies going to her parents to pay for them to send Maria to school so she can end up at Harvard and ultimately she ends up at Yale and here's this episode that we've like been building toward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's at Yale and kind of nothing happens except for her
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[SPEAKER_01]: ending up there and needing her mom and them like going through this like separation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like they could have totally written in something really dramatic, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Deans involved or Jess comes back or something is going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like at the end of the date, I feel like that episode is like absolutely what the show is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's this moment when like the girls are being like pulled apart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's kind of like the midpoint of
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[SPEAKER_01]: Separating everything from the beginning to the end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't think it is like the act break, but it's kind of that point when it's like these are the they're separated now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's something they've been talking about for seasons and seasons and seasons and now it's happening and like what is this show now going to be like when they're not on top of each other?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, without the two of them living together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a big shift season four and we've talked about this season four is
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's a little hard for people sometimes because I think it can feel boring simply because it's the transitional.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's an adjustment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It just set up season four season five almost.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like taking us out of season three and usuring us into season five.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just I feel like they could have taken that episode and made it so complicated and put so many conflicts to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they just let her
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[SPEAKER_01]: start her first day at school, have this like anxiety with her mom and like have like the sweetest sort of like send off from no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love it so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The girl's to the girl more girl singular, which I love of those.
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[SPEAKER_01]: which is your favorite, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I just need to have to be episode, but what is your favorite sort of back to school moment of all of those if looking at everyone?
20:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I guess you can say there's one in the revival too when she goes back to children.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking about that as well, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's in spring.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She goes back or is that winter?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's a spring.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because she's wearing that really beautiful springy dress.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she is.
21:09
[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there is one in the revival too if you want to consider that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like of all of the seasons and all of the back to school, what would you say is like your fav?
21:18
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a really tough one because I was watching all these episodes just to kind of bring myself back to it all and not just instantly picnic and Norris in Nancy because just shows up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like, there's not anything to do with back to school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
21:30
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's a thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, it's kind of surrounding Rory and her actually going back to school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would have to say, it's a tie between the normalized first date Yale and written in the stars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because when we go back to school and written in the stars, all of that conflict with Asher dying is happening with Paris.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that it's just the two of them now.
21:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually really still enjoy her friendship with Marty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It still feels very innocent, very bantery.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just her friend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I love the banter they have after she finds out that Asher dies and he's like, in bed, damn, I'm not supposed to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I love that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that there's just until she meets Logan and until the conversation at the end with Marty about, do you have a boyfriend?
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's kind of no boyfriend talk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all very like I'm going back to school.
22:26
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's the wake with Asher.
22:29
[SPEAKER_00]: We're really starting in on the Emily Richard friction and everything going on between the two of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Emily shows up at the wake at school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's also when, you know, we get Luke and Laura lie and I know that again, that has nothing to do with where are you going back to school, but I just think it's a great episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm torn.
22:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm torn because I agree with you on all the points about the Laura lies first date Yale.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
22:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Going back to school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I would put that at number one and written in the stars at number two.
22:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I want to say the same, but I think I really love where we're going back to school in the perfect dress.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I, of course, like, I feel like Loyalized for state Yale can't be included just because I love that episode.
23:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I know how much I love that episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that one is like the tipy top, but I kind of love where we get Rory in the perfect dress and simply because of where she was in the ungraduate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think if we had to like talk about like the importance of we're going back to school because this is like a huge thing and worries life and like much in the same way that like I'm not sure if like I would have like been so dedicated to school if not inspired by like the ultimate study go where you go more
23:36
[SPEAKER_01]: It makes me wonder, like, Lori, she's talked about being like extremely smart throughout her childhood.
23:42
[SPEAKER_01]: But would she have wanted that so much if Laura Lai wasn't like putting her in a Harvard sweatshirt when she was little?
23:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Like does Lori's desire to be in school come from herself?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or is it something that came from...
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[SPEAKER_01]: Laura lie and it's kind of hard at this point to like separate either of those things because by the time we meet her, it's so ingrained in her.
24:03
[SPEAKER_01]: It's already there.
24:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that how is it not also her because regardless of where it came from, it's part of her and that journey that she goes on from like the lower lies for state, Chilton to the lower lies for state, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to the ungraduate and seeing those like snapchat pieces of her where she is so excited to like start this journey towards going to Harvard and then she goes to you.
24:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
24:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's so excited to like be in this place that she's been working towards for her whole life.
24:34
[SPEAKER_01]: As Laura says, we've been working towards and then two seasons later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's standing there seeing all of these people doing what she had done, having dropped out of school, right?
24:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And just like having all of that.
24:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And then when we get to the perfect dress and she's back and she's like, you know, like, got that drive again and is so excited and it's just like going for it.
24:54
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that, like, I'm kind of torn about it because I think there's something very satisfying about that about seeing like the resolve of a full circle moment.
25:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
25:03
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people talk about like Harvard was Lorela's dream for Rory.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to the point where like their dreams got blended and mixed and became their dream that when she decides to go back in the perfect dress, it feels like a rory thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like a decision she made for herself to continue on that way.
25:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I totally hear that.
25:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Not that it's completely separated from where I lie, but
25:28
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like it's like of her own volition and like a decision that is entirely hers now and belongs to her in a way that all of her previous success.
25:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we haven't gotten that up until this point.
25:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, she obviously seems very driven and very excited to be there and all the other back to school moments, but this one's very different.
25:45
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very isolated from the rest.
25:47
[SPEAKER_00]: What I really love about the perfect dress as an episode and as, you know,
25:52
[SPEAKER_00]: like standing alone in break going back to school is it's very parallel to haunted leg because Paris is the editor of the Yale Daily News and also she is the student body president in season three in haunted leg and so they have their first meeting and in both of these meetings Paris will not let anybody else have a conversation like she just dictates the entire thing
26:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And Rory is the one being like, hey, you know, maybe we should let people say their names.
26:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we should let people go to the bathroom.
26:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, people have the coffee and donuts that we brought.
26:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that there are parallels in those moments because it also shows her growth.
26:31
[SPEAKER_00]: in her friendship with Paris.
26:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Like when we meet Paris, that's in the lower-rise first day at Chilton and she comes in so hot.
26:40
[SPEAKER_00]: And then in season two, Paris still hates worries guts because of everything that happened at the end of season one and pretty much throughout season one and just because Paris is being Paris, but she still hates worries guts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She tells her the wrong time for
26:54
[SPEAKER_00]: the the star Franklin meeting and then she gives her that assignment with Max and like she's really trying to take her down and so to see where the land at season three that she's sort of like her second in command because she coerced her into being student body vice president she never could have won on her own exactly and then to kind of see their journey all the way through college
27:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, first of all, the fact that Paris reemerges in the lower-rise first day at Yale in his first day is stellar.
27:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And then again, everything that happens with Asher in written in the stars, all the way to season six.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the elderly who's peruses the editor.
27:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And we kind of see this full circle moment from season three, which I love.
27:37
[SPEAKER_00]: So I totally hear you.
27:39
[SPEAKER_00]: The perfect dress though I would say is probably one of my least favorite episodes of all of these as a whole because like the other ones that were comparing it up against are so exciting and filled with a lot, a lot of conflict.
27:53
[SPEAKER_00]: We got the return of playing.
27:54
[SPEAKER_00]: So you know that.
27:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that for me.
27:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes absolutely.
27:57
[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, when you think about it,
28:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say that that episode, I don't want to say it's weak.
28:04
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just there's just a lot going on in some of these other episodes that comparatively, I would say it feels like a little thinner, but not thin, like I would not call that thin episode, especially because like you said Logan comes back where he goes to therapy.
28:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I think in the sense that it's more of like rich in like there's so many other
28:23
[SPEAKER_01]: character storylines that are like building into it.
28:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe it's more.
28:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I always think season six is more Gilmore girls focused anyways.
28:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Not that he said weak, but I would just say that the, it's not very layered is what I mean by thin.
28:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
28:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
28:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I fully agree with you on that.
28:39
[SPEAKER_00]: We do get the Luke conflict with him almost telling Laura lie about April.
28:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
28:46
[SPEAKER_00]: He goes and sees.
28:48
[SPEAKER_00]: She's planning her wedding.
28:50
[SPEAKER_00]: So like we do get a lot of stuff.
28:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm certainly.
28:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not saying that it's a thin episode because we just don't love that part of the course that the parts that we do love that like there are other episodes for the whole as a whole like the going back to school.
29:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Though I had never considered that going back to school is kind of how we chart
29:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Paris and Roy that like that's how we kind of like you can look at these like episode snap shots season by season yeah kind of track their progress.
29:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was about to say their progress points and their relationships.
29:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you talked about this in the episode about Laura Lies friendship to Paris and Lane, which is that Laura Lies doesn't get a chance really to be as close to Paris as she is to Lane.
29:35
[SPEAKER_01]: because of the nature of worries, like closeness to her by location of like set wise.
29:41
[SPEAKER_01]: She's always at school.
29:42
[SPEAKER_01]: So we see we see that like unfold in that way.
29:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I never thought about that.
29:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that so much.
29:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right?
29:49
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's such a beautiful like parallel and full circle moment for their friendship.
29:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
29:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Coming back to that, though, because if we look at, like, I guess this is not necessarily back to school, but it's like thinking about going to school, which is that that's kind of the conflict between Paris and Vori is like, when we first see in Vori's birthday parties, them at the college fair, there's been a couple of Harvard.
30:14
[SPEAKER_01]: But as we know, Paris doesn't get into Harvard where he gets into all of them and Vori ends up going to Yale.
30:21
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you feel about
30:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Harvard versus Yale.
30:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think, because I know that whenever I talk about Rory and TikTok, people are always like, she should have gone to Harvard, her life would have been better.
30:33
[SPEAKER_01]: She wouldn't have had this quote unquote downfall.
30:35
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's mostly a joke.
30:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Your life is going to unfold differently based on the choices you make.
30:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Your choice is.
30:42
[SPEAKER_01]: But do you think that story-wise, it was good that she shifted to Yale?
30:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you kind of wish we would have seen it unfold her go to Harvard?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not get into Harvard.
30:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Paris have gotten into Harvard.
30:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Thoughts.
30:57
[SPEAKER_00]: So, Brett actually told me last week he's like, I have to tell you something.
31:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I found out a spoiler on Twitter about Gilmore Girls and I was like, oh no, I thought he was gonna get a spoiler on it.
31:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he's just back on Twitter in general and he saw something and he was like, Oh, no.
31:10
[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought that he was going to tell me that he found out where it was pregnant at the end or what the last four.
31:14
[SPEAKER_00]: He says another wild.
31:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, side note.
31:18
[SPEAKER_01]: This is like way in the future because we're still a baby podcast, but like thirty years from now when this podcast is over, I know with our last four words are.
31:25
[SPEAKER_01]: You do?
31:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna tell you and let you react to it, but I'm gonna cut out the audio of me saying it so that everyone else doesn't know.
31:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but our last four words should be.
31:36
[SPEAKER_01]: This is redacted.
31:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, I just got chilly.
31:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't that good?
31:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, Haley.
31:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why I thought of that yesterday, but I was like, it kind of made me cry a little bit because I was like, oh my god, I'm about to cry.
31:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, eventually we're gonna tear the show into pieces to the point where it's like, we would just have to like be quoting the show and full.
31:59
[SPEAKER_01]: First episode.
32:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, true.
32:01
[SPEAKER_01]: We have no plans to end anything.
32:03
[SPEAKER_01]: No, we have long ways to go before that happens, but oh, but I feel like
32:07
[SPEAKER_01]: The lore of the last four words of this show that we talk about were so huge.
32:12
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, yesterday that came to me and I was like, oh my god.
32:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
32:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
32:17
[SPEAKER_00]: That's smart.
32:17
[SPEAKER_00]: You're smart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks.
32:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Does that give you your academic validation for today?
32:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you feel a little bit like I got a new plus?
32:24
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, I thought that Brett was going to tell me that he knew what the last four words were, that where he was pregnant, something.
32:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
32:29
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was like, I know that where he goes to Yale.
32:32
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, okay.
32:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, yeah, that is a major plot point.
32:37
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not quite, but I was like, look, it made the most sense.
32:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let me, let me answer your question then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: From a storytelling perspective, it made the most sense.
32:45
[SPEAKER_00]: They had to have her go to Yale.
32:47
[SPEAKER_00]: There was no way knowing the format and the layout of Connecticut.
32:50
[SPEAKER_00]: She was not going to be able to come back and forth from Harvard as much as she was from Yale.
32:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because Boston is a little bit more out of the way.
32:58
[SPEAKER_00]: So they needed her to go to Yale in order to maintain this closeness like we just spoke to season four is a pivotal season and the lower lies first day.
33:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Yale is a pivotal episode because we do not know what the framework for the show is going to be anymore now that the government was not together every single day.
33:16
[SPEAKER_00]: So how are they going to be able to curb that, right?
33:18
[SPEAKER_00]: It would have been so boring.
33:19
[SPEAKER_00]: for it to all be phone calls.
33:21
[SPEAKER_00]: If it was just constantly their lives separate because we end up getting that in season six, despite the fact that they're very close in proximity, but they're separate point that they're separated like right literally separated.
33:33
[SPEAKER_00]: So from a character perspective, I do not think the worry would have
33:37
[SPEAKER_00]: had her relationship with Dean, two-point-o, or three-point-o, rather.
33:42
[SPEAKER_00]: She wouldn't have met Logan because Logan went to Yale.
33:45
[SPEAKER_00]: That's absolutely why this is wrong.
33:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, yeah, I mean, she may subsequently, if she didn't meet Logan, she wouldn't have met Mitch, and she wouldn't have done that internship, she wouldn't have gotten steamrolled by him, and she may not have dropped out of Yale, but I do believe that we land where we're supposed to.
34:03
[SPEAKER_00]: So even if the
34:04
[SPEAKER_00]: path is a little different.
34:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think that eventually we find ourselves because I feel like we kind of get a little mixed up sometimes because we're talking about we like alternately like in the same sentence talk about this like as if this narrative is very real and these are people we know as well as like this is a show that we really appreciate like the deep like
34:23
[SPEAKER_00]: complex writing of?
34:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
34:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I have to talk about it from a story perspective and then a character perspective because with the story they had to have her go to Yale.
34:31
[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, it was more interesting, right?
34:32
[SPEAKER_00]: It was more interesting that all they did was talk about Harvard that Laurel I was like, she's not going to Yale.
34:37
[SPEAKER_00]: She's not going to Yale so adamant against it, just for her to end up going to Yale and for it to be better for her relationship with Laurel I.
34:45
[SPEAKER_01]: When Emily reveals that, Lori lies not like, she, it's almost like she'd never thought about that before.
34:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
34:51
[SPEAKER_01]: She was so adamant that she not go to the Ivy League that her dad went to, that her parents are like, that her parents wanted her to go to.
34:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
35:00
[SPEAKER_01]: The other option, you know, like her dreaming didn't like travel too far.
35:05
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't like Stanford.
35:07
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like literally just like kind of the other one.
35:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And she never considered that she was going to be like so far away and that she wasn't going to want that.
35:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because it's in that damned on a read which we just watched where she talks about when you go to college.
35:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna sleep next year, but which we see in the more like she's done.
35:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's almost like she had never really like fully realized Rory's gonna really far away.
35:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but she ends up being close.
35:33
[SPEAKER_01]: How close is it?
35:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Jess says this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and happy birthday baby on sidewalk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Twenty two point eight miles.
35:39
[SPEAKER_00]: You looked it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You looked it up.
35:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you you Yahoo?
35:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that scene so much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Twenty two point eight miles.
35:46
[SPEAKER_00]: That's nothing.
35:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Boston so much farther.
35:48
[SPEAKER_00]: How far is it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like thirty minutes, thirty five minutes away.
35:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
35:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
35:52
[SPEAKER_00]: They're about.
35:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
35:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Depending on, you know, how fast you drive, what route you take.
35:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
35:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not that far, which I will say that is another kind of, I don't know if I would call it a plot hole, but like, where the fuck is Star's Hollow?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm going to tell you that like, I'm a little Connecticut girlie with the fact, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what the towns that they based stars hollow off of are north of where my town is in Connecticut, and we are
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[SPEAKER_00]: farther than twenty two point eight miles away from New Haven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are over an hour away from New Haven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it doesn't make any sense, but also this is a TV show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like our favorite thing to do on Patreon is be like, this is completely unrealistic distance and timeline of how this can happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll look it up right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I will actually redact that because Washington kind of heads east a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's thirty six miles away from Washington Depot Connecticut.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's about an hour drive a little over an hour for Ruth that episode just, you know, Amy just put a number in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like twenty two point eight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, we do for the plot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was just kind of a throwaway line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it also mattered so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It mattered so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it does give us like a sense of like how close it is and how much I meant that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do totally agree with you that like Harvard would have changed so much about
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not just like like the characters, but like just like the dynamic of the show would have changed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It would have needed like an entirely separate sort of, almost like community because it does like in some ways have like a cast of characters at Yale, but not in the same way that like that we've like grown to like love star the town of stars hall in the corners.
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[SPEAKER_00]: we would have to like become attached to like a new place because otherwise it'd just be very back and forth on the road while Laura lies in stars hollow you know yeah exactly it almost feels like we would have gotten more of the revival like we would have gotten more of Lori just sort of like yeah hopping in and now I know in the revival she ends up moving back in with Laura live but I mean like in winter you know how she's just like
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of going through boxes, kind of talking about what her life is in New York.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not really what we needed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We needed to be there consistently enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We needed Friday night dinner to still be a thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She would not have been able to do Friday night dinner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, she went to Harvard no way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like we would have lost like a lot of Emily and Richard, but also in terms of characters to have where we go to like the one place that would like
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[SPEAKER_01]: really please lower-rise parents in a way that she absolutely did not want and go to Richard's alma mater and you know, have the moments like Ted Couples big night out and the Harvard Yale game from that perspective like it just made so much sense because I've seen people say that she should have gone to Harvard and they would have liked that but why?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why would they look like that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very curious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you think that worry should have gone to Harvard, please call the voicemail and explain to us why we would love to hear your perspective on this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I hear you as why they feel like that would have been better than you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I disagree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm open to hearing why though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Me too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want it for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm always open to hear why.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to know why I'm no sparkly hearting it though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to just know sparkly heart for no reason.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to just give a no sparkly heart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you think that she should have gone to Harvard over Yale, we both agree that we think maybe Paris should have been the valedictorian.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do like that Rory was for the story of it all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if we're inside the narrative looking at these characters like real people, Paris should have been the valedictorian.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like you're telling me that like Rory's grades when she first got there and she got like a D on Max Medina's paper.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Paris got an A that like that wasn't like a huge heavy factored to like, well,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Max does say that she can do extra credit to make up for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe she did enough extra credit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the deer hunters where she had to do to extra credit to make up for the test she missed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's when I met your total owner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's at the end of the deer hunters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The day she gets to the beginning of the deer hunters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, one hundred percent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't even think we ever really get mentioned of Paris being salutatory and either, do we?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing that I can think of is in that same conversation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She says that
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's okay with her making valedictorian over her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it would just make sense that if she made it over her, it would be between the two of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we were just supposed to infer that that was the case because she says the pledge because she's the student-body president, but... Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she says to... And Mazda Charleston, a graduation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, our feelings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, maybe that's why, but yeah, it's really an in retrospect sort of thing that like people really hate Rory as much as they did because people didn't hate her this much when it was like live and everything was going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At least I don't remember the case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was also a teenager and idolizing her students ways, but I think in retrospect people really like to champion Paris over Rory.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when they see Rory,
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[SPEAKER_01]: in that damn Donna Reed making green beans and teasing her hair and Paris is probably at home, you know, like listing out all of the reading that she's supposed to do next year for school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that like we get that sort of vibe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I think that people would have been upset.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd worry not about like Torrent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like that she was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get the vibe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I understand, but like as a worry, as a worry gal myself, I
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[SPEAKER_01]: I liked that she was a valedictorian.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think they did it for the plot also because of the reveal of it, which always makes me cry when Aurora lies reading her yearbook and she's like, are you the valedictorian?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just love the moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So so so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she didn't want to make a big deal out of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the irony of Rory, kind of stumbling and falling and not being able to pick herself up in the revival in a lot of ways.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Paris making mention of that in season three, I wonder how much of that was already planned out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like it probably was on Amy's end and on the writers end that like, okay, Rory gets this win.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we're going to watch Paris really, really, really bloom.
41:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because Paris is there, but she's talking about the end up in like car accidents and like that's what you were already was in car accident.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Haley knows that more than anyone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She'd already been in a car accident at that point, but I mean, it does feel like a little bit of a car accident.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's not watching it in the same way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Her life kind of unfolding in that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But coming back to it's the idea of like Paris didn't end up out of Victorian Paris didn't go to Harvard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And story wise, like I love the way that all that conflict ended up with everyone being at Yale.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Close to home so we could like have this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that Paris only went to Yale because of Roy?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cause their costernance says their journey wasn't complete.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I mean, because she could have gone to Princeton to be with Jamie, I think they make mention of that that like she wasn't going to follow him to Princeton.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, why not?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't really find out what other schools Paris gets into.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We know she doesn't get in Harvard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We very, very, we're very aware, but yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: encourages her to open her college acceptance letters of the schools that have inevitably accepted her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are these other schools Yale, her instance, you know, but we never find out what school she got into.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder if she had a lot of options and went to Yale because Rory was there or if she had to go to Yale because that was the only option.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I doubt it was the only option, but like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it had to have been in some part because of worry because especially because of what we hear of how Paris is so like connected to worry and season six of like she's like the only reason that I do well is because like that competitive nature between the two of them even if we isn't necessarily competing back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: This whole thing makes me like want to like see the perspective of a first day of school and going back to school from Paris, you know, because we get all of this from worry and like this snapshots of all of like them going through this and like what all of that means to Paris like is this like is she get anxious because I never feel like worry is like
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[SPEAKER_01]: worried about going back to school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's no sort of like nervousness or I say the only time we ever really see it is in the lower-rise first date go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because obviously it's a huge huge jump.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but we never get any sort of like, you know, I was always kind of nervous to go back to school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wonder if Paris.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like how that would all look from Paris's perspective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I would have loved to see the lower-rise first day at Yale from Paris's perspective.
44:22
[SPEAKER_00]: She was like, you know, rubbing her hands together like he he I get to surprise for you today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, like we've talked about this before like the office had that like many series with like the account.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I would have loved like Paris's POV for the Paris's first days Paris and Terrence's first day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have loved that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have loved the puffs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the puffs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I forgot about that all these like school things because it reminds me of like like I guess like Paris really is like worries like school journey because when we first kind of see her sheets lunch by herself and then link every time she's in the dining hall she's with Paris at Yale.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like this too kind of going into this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did not realize this is going to be as much of like a
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[SPEAKER_01]: Paris, parallel, comparison moments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As all the first days of school that we see for Rory, we also see for Paris.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which is very exciting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like we mentioned, like when we do get to the revival and Rory is kind of like a struggling in Paris is very successful at what she does.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She goes back to school and in that back to school episode that we quote unquote back to school, you know, she's back at Chilton and she's talking to Headmaster Charleston and he's
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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of offering her a teaching position.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, if you, I think he says that she needs to get her masters or something to that effect to that degree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, pun intended in order to be a teacher.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, absolutely not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that worry would have been
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[SPEAKER_00]: a great children teacher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think that the reason that the writers didn't take the storyline in that direction is because she was always supposed to be a journalist in some capacity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we're sharing the stars hollow because that I think was her coming back to her roots rather than children.
46:04
[SPEAKER_00]: But it would have been a really interesting storyline to watch unfold that like she ends up back in her roots in a myriad of ways, not just in stars hollow, but also at children.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that that's more of like a lesson than the narrative of it and more of like we're talking to our friend Vory of like you would be great at being a teacher and she seems to kind of like frown on that which I hate because like
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who got worried to where she was?
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[SPEAKER_01]: At all this point, it was all of her, like, wonderful children situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And seeing her, like, juxtaposed of Paris talking to all the students, and were we talking to all of the students?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It felt like she's so good at it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She actually kind of reminds me of Max, like, she's very relatable in that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Would she have been the Mr. Medina, maybe, children?
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[SPEAKER_01]: All of the children boys would have been, like, that Miss Gilmore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It could have been a really cool full circle moment to connect her and Max, you know, from season one all the way to the revival.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I bring that up because I feel like we're kind of frowns on being a teacher when that's like a very great profession to be in.