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EDP60: Australian National Champs / Irish National Road 10k / Paris & Rotterdam Marathon · Easy Double podcast

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  from the track to the. Rodeo.
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  We talk, that talk splits on the watch, but we still take the
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  Mick Dean in power for the long. Run, legs, go and bring the
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  fire. When the session gets thick,
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  Ryan in the mix with the numbers.
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  And plans from everything. The medals, Yeah, we break it
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  all. Down hard graft Monday, left
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  about a Sunday still. Right, we're going to start
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  differently this week because I'm I'm getting too old and too
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  predictable because earlier on Becky was mocking me saying
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  hello and welcome back to the easy double podcast.
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  So I've had to go for something different.
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  We are the easy double podcast and we are episode 60.
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  What hasn't changed is Matsu Co host to Obama side the Menzies
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  been the first one. How are you doing?
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  Good matey, caught me off guard with that, but now I'm going
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  well. Need some new material?
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  Liked it? Attention grab.
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  And over there in Ireland and Smith, how are you?
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  I'm. Good God, caught me off guard as
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  well as like what's happening here.
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  Yeah, it's it's race week, boys. I think maybe I've changed my
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  identity from a podcaster back to a runner now.
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  So things are changing. It's good to hear.
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  Oh well, yeah, I'm not sure how I feel about it.
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  What about just both hats? Yeah, I won't.
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  I won't give it away just yet. I'll keep.
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  Need to keep an ace up my sleeve, don't I?
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  Speaking of of racing, you know it was on this day one year ago
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  we were doing the Bumbry 3 and 5 waters respectively run.
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  Yeah, good but bad memories at the same time.
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  What were your memories of it? Personally, I really enjoyed it.
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  Yeah, but he does. Yeah, you know that I'll soon,
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  as you mention it, you know that there's a an issue with the lead
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  bike in the 10K this year that actually took people off course
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  rather than the runner as in me taking himself off course.
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  Shit, really. But they've, they must have been
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  listening to the chatter going on in the past couple of weeks
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  because they seem to have honored, they've paid like
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  multiple places, you know, like as in what happened with the US
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  self Marathon and stuff. I did well.
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  They gave out to Sonny's vouchers or whatever you get for
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  winning the tank. Well, if if they were in the
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  half marathon, they would have got some $1000.
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  Yeah. I mean, they would have been in
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  a bit of a stickiest, but I think that that event, yeah, I
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  don't know if they they paid too much.
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  So financially they probably didn't hurt them too much.
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  They probably put their best bike Pacers in the other events.
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  Yeah, it was good weekend, though.
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  Was it you? We flew down on the race on
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  Sunday morning, you put the kids to bed and then we bombed it
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  down at like 7:00 PM or something.
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  Yeah, yeah, that's right. I do recommend it.
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  Certified courses, which, you know, hard to come by sometimes
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  along the coastal town of Bunbury.
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  I would if I was fit and well. I would have made it a priority
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  for this year for sure. You see, actually you remind me,
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  I'm Simon from WA Running podcast.
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  He was down there in and he's bought some of the merch from
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  official marathon time integrity unit.
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  They've released T-shirts and it's got a slogan like every
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  second counts, be proud of it or something.
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  And he he was wrapping that down there.
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  I did say there was some Instagram reel of a person
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  winning a race over the weekend and I saw the first comment with
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  is it OMITU just saying with the tick in there just instead just
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  legitimizing the person's Instagram post about their race.
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  It's it's actually such good marketing from them, isn't it
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  because they did they do it on some of the pro results as well
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  that and because we follow them, it like highlights people you
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  follow who've commented. So you just see them all over
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  the pro results with verified very.
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  Clever, but I. Can't imagine how many like DMS
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  they get about people. I'd say they are inundated with
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  like just message requests. I'd hate to see because like
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  when did it start? Maybe just before Christmas or
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  something around Christmas time. You've got. 40K followers
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  already. It's enough.
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  Well, yeah, thanks. Thanks for being with us for
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  another week. It's episode 60, We've got
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  plenty to talk about. It's been the national
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  championships over here in Australia, so plenty of racing
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  going on trackside in Sydney. We've also had two marathons in
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  Paris and Rotterdam and a few domestic races over in Ireland
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  which Owen will cover too, where we've got some news.
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  World Marathon Championships are announced, stress fracture, a
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  DNS and we'll have some YouTube Diaries and Owen has briefed us
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  on Double Trouble. So we're good to go there,
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  right? We'll get straight into the
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  given it's very much marathon season.
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  Ballarat talking about bad memories, Dean Ballarat is
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  coming up in a couple of weeks as well.
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  What's that not good memories for you it?
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  Was the start of the end for me. I enjoyed it as well, like I did
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  Bunbury, so yeah. Oh.
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  Shit, hopefully I'm not sat in this time next week's talking
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  about bad memories from the bridges.
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  How many bridges you have to go over?
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  Just once. You count all the bridges you're
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  around, you can't go wrong. I'd say 44.
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  Well, the Causeway is being replaced by that new bridge that
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  goes, you know, you sort of go over 2 bits of it.
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  It's one long bridge, you go up two peaks of it, then the
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  narrows, and then don't forget the little one through the key
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  at the end. But really it's 2.
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  So. Dean, did you win that last
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  year? Yeah, yeah.
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  So we could could be an easy double suit and the next year
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  I'll come and try and win it. We could be the triple, triple
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  Giffle. Yeah.
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  There'll be we won't be bringing the crown back to easy double
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  this year. Don't worry about that.
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  No fresh anyway. Well, let's talk about some
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  proper running first. The national championships
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  happened and whilst I was watching this, the what I was
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  thinking is how like deep and talented Australia's athletic
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  scene is at the minute. So it couldn't help but compare
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  to like the feeling of excitement or lack of if it was
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  a British champs. And it's just way and above,
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  like it's fully an unbelievable weekend.
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  Like, lots of people flying in for it from the US, everyone who
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  bases in Australia, like they make it a priority.
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  So it's just a really good weekend.
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  And the fact that streamed for free, you can follow it all.
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  You can watch the replays if you don't catch it live.
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  The commentary is amazing. Yeah, the pessimist in me was
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  thinking about such a shame that, like, the British champs
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  doesn't come anywhere near this. But we just have to celebrate
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  the Australian ones. I was thinking the same thing
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  like because do you remember last year it was in Perth and we
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  were, we weren't sure if we were being a bit biased behind about
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  how excited we were for it just because it was local and gout
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  gout was racing and you know, we we knew all the local people to
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  get around. And yeah, I wasn't sure if it
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  was just out that, that buzz. But I think you're right.
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  I think those same fields were just as deep, if not deeper this
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  year. They seemed like there was more
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  young like the, the depth we'll probably get into it was it
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  seemed like the best, I don't know, some of the best races I
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  remember domestically and a good reflection of I think the policy
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  work in the way it's meant to be, which is encouraging people
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  to try and win a national title so that they get then they just
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  need to run the time in order to get auto selected for what COM
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  games that they're running for this year.
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  Yeah. And then it wasn't until even
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  this morning, I don't know why it came to me, but I was
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  thinking, shit, I like spent the whole weekend looking at every
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  start list and being like, God, three or four or five different
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  people could win this race. And then this morning I thought,
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  and there was no Brett Robinson, Jack Rayner, Stewie Mcswain, and
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  they're like talk about the past 10 or 15 years.
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  Three of the biggest stars Australian ruins had.
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  No, Sam Clifford and Isaac Kane, Tim Vincent, there's so many
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  gone to the roads as well. No.
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  Easy. No.
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  Jeff Stenson. Yeah, like I have the same
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  thought. So Once Upon a time you would
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  see like a a paced race that the Melbourne Track club were trying
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  to set up someone to win a title and replace the time.
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  And it was 1 main club that was fairly dominant.
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  Whereas you're watching a women's 5K and I think 5 of the
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  top six, there was that six like breakaway group for a period of
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  time and that was they were represented by 5 different
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  sponsors. You know you had like on Puma
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  Jess Al Nike. What are that you had new?
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  Balance and ASICS and. The ASICS New Balance, I think
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  you had like a like a spread of representation, which I just
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  think what a, what a good time to be a, to be an athlete.
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  And then behind them, you had a heap of like NCAA people that
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  are probably on a pathway to doing similar sort of school.
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  Yes. So we'll talk about what ones we
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  did manage to see and what we thought of them starting firstly
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  with I think the first final that came around was the 1500
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  meters and they had the heat on the Thursday into the final
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  finals on Friday. So the women's race, shit, this
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  one was the main storyline of the weekend almost for both the
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  right and the wrong reasons. Claudia Hollingsworth won the
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  title in the end in 4 minutes seventeen O 6.
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  Sarah Billings was second in four 1736 and I'll be Caldwell
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  third in four 1740. Now, that doesn't begin to tell
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  even half the story as to what went on with this race, the
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  aftermath of it and even the next 24 hours of it.
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  So one thing you may notice is that Jess Hall wasn't on the
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  podium of a 1500 meter race, which is would rightly shock
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  you. And if you didn't already know,
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  she fell about 50 meters out. There was potentially some
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  constant shoot. Jess Hall was leading.
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  She's kind of made the big move. It was slow as anything causing
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  it. I was trying to time the first.
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  Did they go through the 1st K in like 312 or something?
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  Like it was literally pedestrian because sometimes these races
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  are slow for one lap and then it gets going.
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  So usually you'd take a 400 meter split and be like, oh, 80
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  seconds, 1st 400. Look how slow that is.
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  Whereas with this one, you're able to drag it out all the way
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  up to the kilometer. That's how long it was slow for.
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  And then, yeah, Jess was like, right, OK, and make him a long
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  run for home. And she was in lane one.
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  And then Claudia tried to pass. There's potentially a collision,
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  just fell. And then there was only 30 or so
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  meters left. So the girls just finished off
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  what they could. But I guess the main question
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  is, was the contact, should it have been a DQ?
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  What do you think? How how did you think when
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  you've seen it live? What did you think afterwards
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  and how did the DQ, then the reversal of the DQ land with
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  you? How did your opinion change?
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  Umm ah, so initially when my coach was at it, so he sent me a
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  video as soon as it happened and initially I didn't think there
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  was much in it. But when you see that head on
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  sort of angle where Claudia, we're just sort of covers lane
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  one, basically normally the person who's in the lead sort of
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  moves over into lane 2 to cover anyone coming on the right side.
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  And that's why there is that gap on the rail.
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  But Jess, she's been there before.
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  Let's put that like, so she was covering both and Claudia like
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  it was opening until Jess sort of felt her coming.
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  So Jess then sort of closed off the rail and Claudia was like,
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  oh shit. And then she tried to jump over
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  to go the outside and yeah, she just clicked Jess.
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  It's super unfortunate, but like I I think Claudia was she
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  tripped Jess like she should have been DQ D.
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  You've seen softer take like Cole Hawker got done for pushing
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  someone like she tripped her. So yeah, I think Jess was hard
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  done by and even Sarah Billings like but like I can only imagine
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  like outside that tech room, like 4 different teams there.
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  Claudia is on, Sarah is MTC and Jess is her own, her father.
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  And then Avi is a different team as well.
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  So I can just imagine like the three of them, like big teams,
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  like just protesting outside the tech room.
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  I say it would have been carnage such it's such a situation.
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  And but yeah, I didn't like the way she got DQ D and then she
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  got reinstated and like, it's just a super unfortunate event.
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  How'd you say it then? I was, no, I'm not trying to sit
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  on the fence like I often do with things, but I was trying to
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  read rules or the rules around obstruction.
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  Like what are the? So my my default thoughts are
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  there's there will be rules that set out the behaviour that's
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  accepted on the track. I'm not super familiar with the
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  rules and how referees apply them, but I expect that's
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  obviously what's happened is that the referees have had to
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  apply whatever the relevant rule is.
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  But I think as Owen mentioned, there's recent interpretations
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  of some of these rules where the person coming from behind, it
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  seems that they have a like a duty of care when overtaking to
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  not disadvantage the person in front.
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  And it just seems to make sense to me that that would be the
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  case. Like if, if you've worked hard
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  to get the position in front and someone's coming around you,
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  it's you would think it would be on them to have to not interfere
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  with you, provided whatever you're doing is not also not
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  allowed. Like I'm assuming at some point
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  you can't intentionally be jumping left and right to
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  obstruct someone as well. So, so yeah, so my initial, my
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  initial reaction is if you've accidentally tripped someone by
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  by moving in or moving into or outside that you're that you're
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  running a risk of getting DQ D. Yeah, to be honest, when I felt
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  when I seen it live, I I was like, oh, that's naughty.
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  Because I thought that there was room for Claudia to go up the
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  inside there and Jess said like shut her off, which and then I
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  thought the impact was cloudy just like running into the back
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  of Jess because Jess had like inadvertently come across her.
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  But when you see it slowed down, she did actually like
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  successfully shut the door on her.
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  And then Claudia's tried to like step around the back of her,
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  hasn't she? Which is where she's clipped
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  their heels. And I just, I don't know how you
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  can kind of ignore the fact that she's literally tripped or the
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  thing what makes me feel like it's harsh is that I do think
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  Claudia probably was going to win the race anyway because she
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  was traveling a lot better, but Jess had the strong position, so
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  she can't. Just like Jess should, Jess
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  should be rewarded for her positioning in the race.
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  Like she put herself there, like Claudia fell asleep for a bit
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  and she got caught back. She got sleeping.
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  And like that's her own fault. Like you can't like clip someone
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  or like Claudia. Arguably if that rail was free,
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  Claudia would have won 100%. But Jess, it's racing, like you
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  can't like clip someone and it was accidental as well, but like
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  you can't do that. And I don't like there's like
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  auto queues here, auto qualifiers for the com games at
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  stake, definitely bonuses in contracts.
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  So it is a big, it is a big deal.
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  And but I think, yeah, it's very like, Jess, this is the big
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  loser here because she doesn't get anything like she's fallen,
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  like she doesn't get first, second or third.
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  Is she she obviously the big loser when it comes to the race
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  itself, but does it maybe is it more advantageous that Claudia
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  gets the win as far as not that I think she would struggle
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  anyway, but a lot of these the some of the motivation for
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  people running these races is Commonwealth game selection.
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  And so I think part of the like if Jess and Claudia were both
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  disqualified or didn't weren't weren't awarded, neither were
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  awarded the win, then they and then the winner, which like was
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  it Sarah Billings would would then only need to run the
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  Commonwealth game standard to be guaranteed a spot on the
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  Australian team. And then you've got other, you
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  know, other people like it creates a lot more selection
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  pressure versus Claudia, who seems to be in very good form,
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  having just beaten Georgia Hunter Bell two weeks ago.
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  So maybe that's that's an upshot of it.
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  I wonder what the process of what has went on there, like,
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  you know, behind the scenes from when she was because they didn't
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  dehue her immediately, did they? It was within what, maybe an
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  hour or a couple of hours or something, and then the reversal
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  wasn't until the next day when they reinstated there.
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  So like those conversations? And I've never seen a
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  reinstatement that happens the next day.
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  I've never heard of a. Have you like?
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  I wouldn't have liked to be on the receiving end of the
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  suggestion that this one would be reinstated if head coach had
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  anything to do with it. But yeah, it's tough.
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  And like the real loser, probably Sarah Billings, like
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  because she goes to bed that night thinking because the the
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  window for qualifying is open until the end of May.
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  So she's going to bed thinking, wow, I've just won nationals.
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  I've just got to go and find the time.
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  Like she's probably thinking where the race is coming up,
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  where can I get to? And then she wakes up the next
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  day and finds out that no, that's not the case, she's done
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  nothing wrong after all, and she just got shafted mentally,
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  probably. Like she would have been awarded
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  the gold medal on the podium after the race, wouldn't she?
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  Like would had a ceremony at the race?
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  And now realistically, like Claudia is going, Claudia is
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  going to get standard and realistically you're going to
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  pick Jess all as well. Sarah Billings loses out there
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  again unless she makes him date 100.
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  I thought was the other thing as well.
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  Like I know you're going to be obviously going to be shocked or
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  upset if you are cloudy like in that exact moment.
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  But did you see her face? I think her face almost like
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  says it all because you can see how like mortified she is.
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  And I think it almost gives it away like a guilty face.
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  Like she knows what's going to come on the back of that in the
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  moment. But I know maybe looking too
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  much into there. It did make me think about, you
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  know, with these selection races because we're so the
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  Commonwealth Games isn't due to take part for what, another five
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  months? And these are having serious
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  implications for who gets selected versus like, you know,
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  we always talk about like that American system that's so good.
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  But like, imagine if you're top, if you're a Team Australia going
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  to the comp games and you see that happen and it's top three
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  across the line. How many go take on games?
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  Two or three per event? Up to three.
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  Oh, OK, so Sarah Billings could go.
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  Yeah. So then I'll be guest shafted.
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  There's always a loser and it's probably fair to say we always
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  say we're a democracy. There was a story where you
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  could vote on the Instagram whether you thought it was a DQ
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  or not and the the bit of noise which adds context to it was
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  that we put this up after the reinstatement had happened.
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  So 61% of the voters thought that the reinstatement was the
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  correct decision. And 1st that means 39% still
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  thought DQ was the right outcome.
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  Which is mad because I think when whilst she was DQ D, the
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  vast majority of opinions I saw seem to think that that was the
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  right outcome. There wasn't really anyone at
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  the time being like oh like Claudia's been shafted or
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  anything. It was more so like, not
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  necessarily justice has been served, but that they've fair
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  play to them, they've reached the right outcome.
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  But anyway, we can't change it now.
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  What's done is done. What What do we make of the new
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  New Balance kit? The sort of purple and like
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  luminous yellow. I like it.
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  Don't look good. I can't even think of it now,
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  top of my head. On to moving on to the men's
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  1500 meters then. So again heats with Thursday
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  final Friday. No one really missed out from
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  the semis progressing into the final, no one you would expect
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  not to be there. The one thing to note was that
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  Tom Moorcroft, our former training partner front runner
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  made the final runner 339 PB in the semi, so huge from him and I
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  think there's a couple of other WA representatives in there as
• 23:48
  well. Max Shervington and is Luke
• 23:50
  Shaw, technically. Wai think we'd climb him.
• 23:54
  He spent most of his time here. He's just moved over recently.
• 24:00
  So yeah, nice to see if you WA is down the list.
• 24:02
  Sometimes there won't be one, it'll be Victoria, NSW, but
• 24:08
  they're in there this time. So the men's 1500 meter final
• 24:12
  went as follows. Kam Myers took the win in the
• 24:15
  329.85 championship record from Ollie Hall, 332.66 in 2nd and
• 24:21
  Adam Spencer 334.23 for 3rd. How did you see this one play
• 24:29
  out? Kam Meyer has He's just so good
• 24:33
  at running his, and he was. He is just on another level like
• 24:39
  from the gun today, could just take today.
• 24:41
  I don't know what way he loses like in this like championship,
• 24:46
  like the Australian, like 1500. He's just so fast.
• 24:50
  Like he finishes in like a 53 like while running like 56 is
• 24:53
  57. It's just crazy.
• 24:56
  And then coming to the 5K later, like he is just unbeatable.
• 25:00
  Like anyway, he runs that race and he's just so smart with the
• 25:04
  way he goes about it. Like, yeah, he's, he's very
• 25:09
  good. To have the confidence as well.
• 25:12
  Like, it's not as if, I mean, fair enough.
• 25:15
  He probably knows he's better than almost everyone on that
• 25:19
  start line. But when it's Olly Hall and he's
• 25:22
  still like, I'm just gonna go from the gun, I'm confident I
• 25:26
  can burn you off. And even like, oh, So what?
• 25:30
  He got rid of the rest of the field after how long, Dragon?
• 25:34
  And it was just him and Olly. Wasn't that long.
• 25:37
  Maybe 600 to go or something. Yeah, Yeah.
• 25:41
  But then as soon as it was him and Ollie, he managed to put a
• 25:45
  gap in there, didn't he? It wasn't as if Ollie kind of
• 25:48
  clung to him for a while. And then, yeah, the writing was
• 25:51
  on the wall. He's just supreme.
• 25:54
  And it doesn't look like he's ever sprinting.
• 25:56
  It's it's bizarre. Such like a powerful, strong
• 26:00
  stride. Yeah, he's so relaxed when he's
• 26:04
  when he's just cruising, he and he doesn't look like he picks up
• 26:07
  the pace. He's just so smooth and fluid is
• 26:10
  running. He's just so good to watch.
• 26:12
  And he is like 1920 years old. He's still so, so young.
• 26:18
  Like that's a 329 solo, but I think is that track new in
• 26:24
  Sydney? Is it newly made?
• 26:26
  Because why not? It's fast.
• 26:30
  It looks newly laid doesn't it? Like the the colours of it?
• 26:34
  Yeah, it looks fresh. The was it the let's let's run
• 26:40
  guys that were commenting on the splits?
• 26:42
  I think that he ran. Perhaps it was something along
• 26:45
  the lines of 5657. I know it's like 300 meters of
• 26:50
  first lap, but effectively 56575554.
• 26:56
  It's a light to your .0 and like no pacing lights, no pacer.
• 27:01
  And he's doing that all to feel but like you go out slightly
• 27:05
  assertive, but use, you know, a lot of the world records, what
• 27:08
  is it 1500 meters onwards are run with the slight negative
• 27:12
  split. So it's like slightly negative
• 27:14
  split it, but just enough where you go out, settle, wind it up,
• 27:18
  wind it up. And I just thought, let's see
• 27:23
  what you guys think. But let's say Jess Hull, because
• 27:27
  I think maybe part of the criticism I heard was couldn't
• 27:31
  Jess Hull have just taken it out similarly to what Cam did and
• 27:35
  just in, you know, run her her way to victory?
• 27:38
  But at the time, at the start of the championship, she was
• 27:43
  looking to do 3 races, which, you know, which included some
• 27:47
  heats as well as finals and had Claudia Hollingsworth to deal
• 27:53
  with who just beat Georgia Hunter Bell, who's just looking
• 27:56
  exceptionally quick. There's been national
• 27:59
  championships in the past. I remember, do you remember when
• 28:02
  Jai Edwards sat on the back of Stewie Mcswain?
• 28:05
  It was during COVID and Stewie just ran, went off the front in
• 28:08
  the 1500 meters ahead of the Olympics and basically paced Jai
• 28:11
  to a national title and Olymp and the Olympic qualifying
• 28:16
  standard. And so if you're not just fit
• 28:20
  enough, like let's say for example, he's in 330, Cam's only
• 28:24
  in 332, not 329 shape, and Ollie Hall gets that perfect sit,
• 28:29
  could he maybe just kick off, kick off his shoulder and run
• 28:32
  331? And then you look like you, you
• 28:37
  don't look so clever. So you've got to, I think you're
• 28:39
  compromised. And it's the same with Jacob in
• 28:41
  a lot of those Olympic finals and World Championship finals.
• 28:45
  If those guys are almost as fit as you, then you're just setting
• 28:49
  them up. I think you're definitely saving
• 28:51
  something sitting in. And so you've got to be so
• 28:54
  confident that you're better than the others in order to run
• 28:57
  like that, which I think he is and was obviously.
• 29:03
  I feel like now as well, they all know it and believe it that
• 29:07
  like he's the main man and there's almost not much they can
• 29:10
  do about it. Yeah, I thought it was a really
• 29:14
  awesome run by Ollie. Like ballsy to go with the pace,
• 29:18
  hung tough and like he looked like he was hurting going into
• 29:21
  the bell and what did he finish? Three seconds behind him?
• 29:25
  So he's probably closed in a 57, which is still a really good
• 29:29
  close. Like still a very good run I
• 29:32
  think. It'll be interesting now, Cam
• 29:37
  Myers, when he goes to America to race that Prefontaine
• 29:40
  Classic, like when he's up against Cole Hawker and all them
• 29:44
  big boys, it'll be anxious and see if his like tactics shift or
• 29:49
  if his like the way he thinks about the race shift.
• 29:51
  Because he obviously won't be able to go and take that one.
• 29:53
  It'll be more of a set and just ride it right along as fast as
• 29:57
  you can. But yeah, he's in phenomenal
• 30:00
  shape. The good thing is with those
• 30:03
  Diamond League races, they normally set up to be fast,
• 30:05
  aren't they? So suit him given his shape.
• 30:12
  Something to be said as well for like whatever time period is the
• 30:17
  past 6 to 12 months. Like whenever he turns off, he
• 30:20
  races. Well, he has.
• 30:21
  He's not really having bad races at all in recent history, is he?
• 30:25
  Like, can't underestimate that either.
• 30:28
  Just the world champ in in Japan, Tokyo, he was shit and
• 30:36
  like just yet like a standard that was just so much higher.
• 30:39
  So I'll be interested to see calm games.
• 30:41
  Even a key could finish this year on such a high, like it
• 30:46
  could be such a breakthrough year for him even though like he
• 30:48
  is already unbelievable. Yeah, you're right with the the
• 30:53
  world champs things. Then what was it?
• 30:54
  Was it Melrose, the big one? He won like and that was almost
• 30:58
  an amount unexpected, but that was like the major like to the
• 31:01
  world. I'm Cam Myers.
• 31:04
  So then it will be easy after that to naturally like dip a
• 31:07
  little bit and like go back into training or whatever and he's
• 31:10
  just like he's racing, he's racing, he's racing, he's worn
• 31:13
  and he's run fast. No stopping him right now.
• 31:18
  I just love to see him put up to like Josh Kerr and Carl Hawker
• 31:22
  because like the Americans like think they're unbeatable.
• 31:26
  I just love to see cameras, young 20 year old, just go up
• 31:29
  and like show it to them so. Good.
• 31:32
  Yeah, that's the only thing, isn't it?
• 31:34
  I hope we're not just like in a bit of an Australian bubble with
• 31:37
  him here and then he races against them and you see him
• 31:40
  like 5th or 6th or something. But yeah, I'm confident he's in
• 31:45
  a better place this time around. 800 meters.
• 31:49
  So this was due to be Jess's second event she was competing
• 31:54
  in. But after the chaos that
• 31:55
  happened on Friday night, I think she announced that she was
• 31:59
  withdrawing from the 800 and focusing on the 5000 meters.
• 32:04
  So the women's side of things, Abby Caldwell won this 15857
• 32:08
  from Claudia 2nd 15891 and Sarah Billings 3rd 15923.
• 32:17
  I do not you see this race, to be honest with you.
• 32:20
  That's fast. Treat them under 2 minutes.
• 32:25
  Yeah, Claudia did a lot of the lading, which she often doesn't
• 32:28
  do. And then, yeah, Abby just closed
• 32:32
  over the top, which was a bit of a boil over as far as I was
• 32:36
  concerned. I thought Claudia was in such
• 32:38
  exceptional shape, but perhaps you compromise a little bit when
• 32:42
  you're focusing a bit on the 1500.
• 32:47
  She's a little bit understated. I'll be Caldwell, isn't she,
• 32:50
  considering she's able to like turn up here, win it in 158?
• 32:54
  Like don't know, you almost view her as like the girl who she
• 32:59
  competes well domestically. But perhaps my naivety wouldn't
• 33:04
  have put her in the same bracket as Claudia right now, and
• 33:07
  especially to run 158 in doing so.
• 33:09
  I think she's won a COM Games medal in the 100.
• 33:16
  Fair enough. Oh no, 1500, here you go.
• 33:22
  But yeah, she's had a great domestic season because I think
• 33:24
  she's raced all of those track classics, hasn't she?
• 33:26
  She's been the one there again. Sarah Billings gets on the
• 33:31
  podium, but unfortunately on the wrong end of it.
• 33:36
  Yeah, so Jess and Abby have the time for this one for the come
• 33:41
  games. So yeah, Claudia.
• 33:46
  Yeah. And then if it's a team of
• 33:47
  three, you're going to bring Claudia over Sarah,
• 33:49
  realistically. But well, like we were saying,
• 33:53
  if with the 1500 meters, if Claudia gets a nod there and
• 33:58
  Sarah was shafted, do they give Sarah something back here?
• 34:03
  There's so much politics involved in this stuff, it's
• 34:06
  terrible. And it's mad that all these
• 34:09
  decisions are like just made in a boardroom, isn't it?
• 34:12
  Like basically. Yeah.
• 34:16
  And it'd be even weirder if it was made on a podcast, like some
• 34:19
  suggestion. But the trials is just so much
• 34:24
  like why did not just make this the trials?
• 34:27
  Like I feel like it's so like it's too far out.
• 34:29
  I get it. But like, it'd be so much
• 34:32
  fairer. And it'd be so much more.
• 34:35
  It was very entertaining anyway. But wouldn't it be, wouldn't be
• 34:39
  great. I feel like athletics is getting
• 34:42
  deep enough now where you could do that, you'd hope.
• 34:45
  Especially in Australia, yeah, it's like, it's so deep.
• 34:50
  And what about is it a financial thing?
• 34:52
  But like just pick full teams, shorten the maybe if you shorten
• 34:55
  the program, I don't know, do a. Surety there's money to be made
• 35:02
  there if you're like all right in two months time we're gonna
• 35:04
  see it doesn't work because everyone's going to be in Europe
• 35:06
  as well Yeah for the European like if you you shouldn't don't
• 35:11
  like pick a different area or like have a separate event.
• 35:13
  This is the trials someone either one the states bid for
• 35:17
  it. You admit there's money that'd
• 35:20
  be made, I say. Yeah, yeah, you'd fill it out,
• 35:23
  wouldn't you? Yeah.
• 35:26
  I'm trying to find the particular rule and I'm
• 35:28
  probably, this probably isn't quite right, but I have found
• 35:31
  like a report form that you submit to Australia, like as
• 35:36
  part of this national championship and that the
• 35:40
  language, yeah, I think it's like it's got TR 1712.
• 35:44
  If an athlete is found to have jostled or obstruction
• 35:47
  obstructed another competitor to impede their progress, they may
• 35:50
  be disqualified. That's all I can find.
• 35:54
  It sounds very vague. World Athletics had a similar,
• 35:59
  well, a more detailed clause. Yeah, 1722.
• 36:05
  So different. A different clause in their
• 36:07
  rules. Well, or a more lengthy, lengthy
• 36:12
  obstruction clause, but then this one.
• 36:16
  But the problem is, if these clauses aren't well written,
• 36:19
  then they're difficult to apply, and then if they're.
• 36:22
  Manipulate them. Exactly like attack bad badly
• 36:25
  written tax rule. Oh, and you'll be familiar.
• 36:29
  It's like VAR and you know, ref watch on a Monday on Sky Sports
• 36:34
  where the MC Gallagher's stood there defending all the referees
• 36:37
  decisions from the weekend. But it's true though, the
• 36:41
  referee can only apply the rules that have that have been written
• 36:45
  for them. The men's 800 meters people took
• 36:49
  the win 145.6 from Luke boys 14573 and Bob.
• 36:55
  I keep getting confused with his surname.
• 36:58
  When you hear someone say it, it's so easy.
• 37:00
  And then when you look at it on paper, sounds Rahim.
• 37:03
  Abdi Rahman is is how it sounds to me, but like, not how it's
• 37:07
  written, but how I hear. I go Abdel Rahman, so Abdul
• 37:12
  Rahman. Yeah, that's it.
• 37:14
  Rolls off your tongue, doesn't roll off mine.
• 37:17
  It was. All the the tongue twisters that
• 37:22
  are Irish, that's probably child's play.
• 37:26
  And each of those podium finishes, both, well, all of
• 37:30
  people are Luke Boys and Bob, they all have the time.
• 37:34
  So you would imagine, all things being equal, they will be the
• 37:37
  three that are selected. But as we know, discretion is
• 37:41
  still in play. So watch this space.
• 37:44
  Well, and the the guy that was winning for a chunk of that race
• 37:47
  wasn't that Dan Williams not part of those 3, so it's
• 37:51
  probably part of the BIG4. Was it Is he, is he a New
• 37:57
  Zealander, though he might be a New Zealander, you know.
• 38:01
  Nice. The man child, isn't he?
• 38:05
  Have I got that wrong? I was.
• 38:08
  Not too sure was. Oh, no, Australia, yes, there
• 38:13
  you go. Sorry.
• 38:15
  Yeah, 18. Yeah, he's the remember, he was
• 38:18
  17 running around with these guys last year, running insanely
• 38:22
  fast. And he's built, built like a
• 38:25
  man. But he's he was, until recently,
• 38:28
  a boy. Yeah, I get confused because
• 38:31
  Luke Boys is a bit of a machine himself as well, isn't he?
• 38:34
  Yeah. Oh.
• 38:36
  The thing I wanted to say about the men's 800 meters, I don't
• 38:39
  know if you've seen the semi is, but the Peyton Craig shot
• 38:44
  himself right in the 4th. So him and was it?
• 38:47
  Bob God, yeah. Did you say this on?
• 38:52
  No. Yeah, it says yeah.
• 38:55
  Did you want to explain it right?
• 38:57
  Bob and Peyton Craig are like on paper in this semi final heat.
• 39:02
  Like they're the ones who are going to progress pretty
• 39:04
  comfortably. Looking at the piece of paper, I
• 39:06
  think it was top 2. And then there's some like
• 39:09
  fastest losers and they'd like they had the race tied up, the
• 39:13
  two of them just striding up the last 100 meters, like 510 meters
• 39:18
  from the rest. And they like completely shut it
• 39:20
  down. They even give each other a fist
• 39:23
  bump as they're like coming over the line.
• 39:26
  And then next minute this guy, I can't remember what his name
• 39:29
  was, he's just, he's torn down about 5 or 6 people in the last
• 39:33
  50 minutes and he's just dipped. Painting Craig on the line
• 39:38
  whilst painting Craig's like in reverse doing his cooldown
• 39:41
  almost and he didn't even get to the final because of it.
• 39:46
  You'd be sick. Craig Martian will have it how
• 39:54
  you learn from them things, though he's still young.
• 39:56
  It's stuff you, like, hear about, but you.
• 39:59
  Yeah. Shades of I was wondering where
• 40:02
  he was. Yeah, because did you see it was
• 40:09
  doing the rounds on social media Must have been on Thursday, the
• 40:12
  1500 heats like Calm and Jude kind of like shook hands
• 40:15
  finishing, going over the line. And then that's obviously just
• 40:18
  somewhere it's influenced them and they've gone.
• 40:21
  Let's have a little fist bump. And to be fair, they did like
• 40:24
  work together and figure the race out.
• 40:27
  Like the kind of shared don't know the work at the front and
• 40:31
  whatever, but just give it another 5 yards.
• 40:35
  I think though in terms of selection, I reckon that's still
• 40:37
  pretty open, but for people, for other guys that are all running
• 40:43
  pretty fast. Yeah, it's a tough one to pick.
• 40:48
  The 100 meters, both in the men and the women, There's like so
• 40:50
  many kind of like within half a second or so of each other.
• 40:56
  Oh yeah, you hope their form over in Europe counts for a bit
• 41:01
  because your form going into the Championship should you know the
• 41:07
  best indication of who's going to run well.
• 41:10
  I wonder if the selectors now they've seen these
• 41:14
  championships, they have an idea in the back of the mind if they
• 41:19
  were to pick the team now, who it would be?
• 41:21
  And then would they through word of mouth to the coaches be like,
• 41:27
  hey, look like your guys not quite there right now.
• 41:30
  If if we're going to choose him, we need to see 144 low before
• 41:35
  the end of the period or would like, I wonder how it works.
• 41:41
  They probably shouldn't say anything, should they?
• 41:42
  But. If they're conflicted, they
• 41:45
  might. People have got people in each
• 41:47
  other's pockets, then, yeah. Yeah. 5000 meters will go women
• 41:55
  first. I didn't watch this race.
• 41:58
  Jess Hall won. So she dropped.
• 42:00
  She dropped to the floor in the 1500 meters.
• 42:03
  She dropped the 800 from her choice of racing.
• 42:07
  And then she stood on the start line in the 5000 meters with
• 42:11
  probably quite a lot of pressure, both mainly
• 42:14
  internalized because she knows what she's capable of and she
• 42:18
  probably expects and demands crazy high standards from
• 42:22
  herself. So going into these
• 42:24
  championships and being on the start line of earth, said
• 42:29
  discipline with kind of no result to show for it.
• 42:33
  She would have been demanding a huge performance from herself
• 42:36
  and fair play to her that she provided.
• 42:38
  So she won the 5000 meters 1531 from Linden Hall 1515 and 2nd
• 42:44
  and more the Sky Ring 1518 and 3rd.
• 42:48
  Can either of you inform me as to how it played out?
• 42:55
  Yeah, I am. So it was, I think they went
• 42:58
  through 3K and about 924 which is 924 or 930 thereabouts.
• 43:07
  So like 9 1/2 minute, you know that 3101550 sort of place.
• 43:13
  So it wasn't particularly on. And then Lauren Ryan, I think
• 43:17
  was in front for a chunk of it. And then with three laps to go,
• 43:29
  why am I blanking on her now? Rose?
• 43:31
  Rose Davies. Yeah.
• 43:33
  Rosie Davis, She she she made a, she made a move with, yeah, with
• 43:38
  three laps to go, dropped like a 67 second lap.
• 43:42
  And then there was, I think there was a group of 6, maybe
• 43:46
  with Lauren Ryan pushing the pace prior to then, but then it
• 43:51
  dropped, it quickly dropped to 4 or maybe it was only a group of
• 43:54
  six that dropped to 4, which included the the top three that
• 43:58
  you just mentioned and rose. And I think the next lap was 67
• 44:04
  as well, 67 or 68. This is just me going off of the
• 44:07
  screen. And then Jess Hall had already
• 44:12
  gone around or sorry, no Linden Hall Hall Lyndon took up the
• 44:18
  pace when Rose started to when it looked like it might slow
• 44:24
  down. And that was and I when I was
• 44:27
  watching that did Lynd, did Lyndon feature in the 1500?
• 44:31
  I don't know. If she did, I don't think so.
• 44:35
  Which is unusual, right? So because she's she's the
• 44:37
  previous she might have been like the first Aussie woman to
• 44:40
  go into 4 minutes for 1500. So like she is a 1500m runner,
• 44:45
  but she I'm assuming she's intentionally chosen to step up
• 44:49
  to the 5K. And like when it was 6, it had
• 44:52
  Georgia Griffith in there and Ryan in there as well.
• 44:59
  And so like some all top names, top 5000 meter names.
• 45:04
  And when they got dropped and then Morty Skyring was still
• 45:06
  holding on. You're like, oh, this is this is
• 45:08
  turning into a very good race. And Lyndon was making her move
• 45:12
  and it felt as though Linden had maybe been very deliberate in
• 45:16
  picking up, gone up in distance. And I'm trying to get this
• 45:18
  right. So it was a, it was very
• 45:20
  exciting. I was rooting, you know, reading
• 45:23
  a bit for the underdog in that respect.
• 45:25
  But Jess, I was just too good. I think they closed.
• 45:29
  I think Jess must have run like a 61 or 62 second last lap, like
• 45:32
  they were just flying. Yeah, it's a good race.
• 45:36
  Good burn up towards the end. Jess, all too good Linen Hall,
• 45:39
  really good race in second. I think running those times like
• 45:43
  sub 1520 with a kick down it was yeah, it's just a quality field.
• 45:48
  As I think I mentioned at the start, there was 5 different
• 45:51
  shoe brands represented in the top 6.
• 45:54
  Like a heap of different pro athletes coming from, you know,
• 45:57
  some of these US based athletes versus different Aussie groups.
• 46:00
  It was really cool. Is that back-to-back 5000 meter
• 46:05
  for Jess? She won in Perth last year and
• 46:07
  she the fun part was given. I didn't watch the race.
• 46:11
  You know when you go on that roster athletics and you can see
• 46:15
  all all the races listed, rather than clicking results, you can
• 46:19
  click start list. So when I've done this, I
• 46:23
  clicked into the start list of the ones I hadn't seen and tried
• 46:26
  to like forecast what the outcome would be.
• 46:29
  And I'll be honest, like I've been maybe a little bit critical
• 46:32
  of Jess in the past couple of weeks on here.
• 46:35
  And when I seen Lyndon Hall, Rose Davis, Georgia Griffith all
• 46:39
  in there together, I didn't have Jess's winning this.
• 46:43
  So when I did see the results, I was like fair play, like after
• 46:47
  what had happened to the other day or so prior as well.
• 46:50
  I think it shows tremendous grits and resilience to come
• 46:55
  back, turn up and yeah, do it all again.
• 47:00
  Is there a certain standard you have to meet to run at this
• 47:04
  championship? Yeah, you're looking at the
• 47:08
  entire fields. I'm just looking at the lads 5K,
• 47:12
  so last home was 1520 and then you look at the women's, last
• 47:17
  home was 1834. I think so, Norm.
• 47:22
  So at least a couple of years ago they'd set a standard like a
• 47:26
  time standard. And then I know for last year it
• 47:30
  was there was a mixed mixture of Stan standard as well as top
• 47:36
  three in your state championships.
• 47:38
  So like I think I could have run the 5K.
• 47:42
  Remember we did state the state 5K last year, so I think I then
• 47:48
  could have run nationals. Now I think if the fields get
• 47:51
  too big, they have to split into two races and they might have
• 47:53
  done that last year, so maybe they chose not to this year, But
• 47:57
  so I think that might have watered down the fields in that
• 48:02
  regard. What was the scenario where Owen
• 48:05
  could have ended up doing nationals?
• 48:08
  Because he finished one behind you in that race, wasn't it?
• 48:13
  I think so, yeah. 2. Yeah.
• 48:17
  But again, yeah, but I think then it depends on, I don't know
• 48:21
  if it was like WA resident, you know, there might have been
• 48:24
  restrictions around that. But that was the that was how it
• 48:28
  worked last year. There was it was written into
• 48:30
  the criteria that you could beat you place top three in your
• 48:32
  state champs I think. So whether or not it was the
• 48:35
  same again, presumably it was based on the results.
• 48:39
  OK. And then the last race was the
• 48:41
  men's 5000 meters. Surprise, surprise, Cam Myers
• 48:45
  1311 goes back-to-back 1500 meter, 5000 meter double
• 48:50
  national champion proven he is arguably arguably not the best
• 48:57
  Australian athlete at the minute.
• 48:59
  That's a good conversation actually.
• 49:00
  I was thinking is Cam or Jet like Jess has the CV and the
• 49:05
  credentials already to a name. So probably like in terms of
• 49:09
  achievements and stuff she Trump's him but maybe like
• 49:14
  global stardom and hype type thing.
• 49:18
  Cam is the biggest Australian athlete right now anyway.
• 49:22
  Seth was second 1312 and Morgan MacDonald was there also 1312.
• 49:27
  Very very close between second and third.
• 49:30
  It was a dip for the line. You thought Morgan might have
• 49:33
  had them but Seth just held on. Analysis of Cams win it's.
• 49:40
  Just too good liking. If you burn him, if you try and
• 49:44
  burn him from the start, I think he just hangs on to you.
• 49:48
  If you sit, he just said kicks you.
• 49:52
  Yeah. I think he's just unbeatable.
• 49:55
  Like he on that day, he was unbeatable, I think, yeah.
• 50:00
  I think they did exactly what they should have done.
• 50:03
  So was it Jackson Sharp and largely Seth O'Donnell that did
• 50:07
  the majority of the pace setting?
• 50:10
  Like they let it go for the first lap and then Seth went to
• 50:13
  the front and he knew it was race on.
• 50:15
  And I think because it was the night before Cam had run 329.
• 50:20
  So to run 329 and then back up the next day and he's only was
• 50:26
  he 19 or 20 like and you remember what Seth did to him in
• 50:30
  Perth last year. Remember, we were audibly
• 50:33
  excited in the crowd, Ryan, when Seth kicked over the top of him
• 50:38
  in a slower race. So you you think maybe there's a
• 50:43
  question mark over whether or not he's got the aerobic
• 50:45
  capacity and and the ability to recover to back up.
• 50:50
  So I think they did all that. I think they fired all their
• 50:52
  shots the way they should to try and beat him.
• 50:54
  And yeah, I think you're right. I think he's just too good.
• 50:59
  Like 311, like 1311 is so fast. Like I feel like that time sort
• 51:04
  of gets blunted now because you've got these Kenyans running
• 51:06
  like 1240s and 1250s, like 1311 in like a national champ when
• 51:12
  they're normally like, that's so fast.
• 51:16
  So yeah, what do they run in a timed race?
• 51:19
  You have to think under 13 minutes.
• 51:22
  Yeah, yeah, definitely. What's your record?
• 51:26
  I think Mottram might still have it.
• 51:27
  Is it 12:55? 57 Yeah, maybe. 12 Mottram
• 51:33
  around 12:50. Cars, yeah.
• 51:36
  If Kyle Robinson's in this race, does he want?
• 51:40
  Four, that would be, yeah. I mean, that would have been
• 51:44
  very good to watch. Do we?
• 51:48
  Who would you pick? Do we?
• 51:50
  Do we whip that one out on social media this week?
• 51:52
  That could be. That's how good's that.
• 51:56
  He's got them both. Is it?
• 51:58
  Who is that in there? It's calm and Kai.
• 52:03
  Yeah, there you go. We call.
• 52:04
  The one who doesn't know for anyone does know, Ryan is just
• 52:07
  pointed like to the poster over his bed and him and Dean with
• 52:12
  like Cam Myers, Kai Robinson. Why has it got all lipstick
• 52:16
  stains over? Get me confused for crooks.
• 52:26
  What a race. Yeah.
• 52:28
  And his interview afterwards as well.
• 52:30
  He's just such like a genuine top fucking sound lad.
• 52:35
  Like it's just, he's just him. Like what?
• 52:39
  Anyone young in athletics would despair to be anyone older,
• 52:43
  clearly. Feel like he's just living like
• 52:47
  he is, just loving life. Like he enjoys running, he
• 52:50
  enjoys racing. He's just like living the dream.
• 52:54
  Going for a run with Tommy Cross, it just can't get any
• 52:57
  better. Let's fucking go.
• 53:06
  Just got that fat Nike deal that'll just be weighing them in
• 53:09
  like every couple of weeks at the minute.
• 53:12
  Yeah, a few bonuses in paying out with all these results,
• 53:17
  hopefully. And lastly, there was obviously
• 53:21
  a couple of Sprint madnesses going on as well.
• 53:23
  We don't usually talk about the sprints, but the 200 meters was
• 53:27
  on the last night, wasn't it? It's insanely fast times gout.
• 53:30
  What did he run like 1967 or something?
• 53:36
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 53:37
  Is that a national record? That is a national record, yeah,
• 53:41
  I think took his own. See our mate Jonathan Gall on
• 53:46
  Twitter was he wasn't too impressed.
• 53:48
  Well, he was that impressed that he was going down conspiracy
• 53:52
  theory Ave. with that 200 meters.
• 53:56
  I think he done some analysis. Now I'm not saying this at all
• 54:00
  because I don't know anything about the sprints.
• 54:03
  I'm just being the messenger here, he says.
• 54:06
  Have to wonder a bit about the times in the Australian 200
• 54:09
  meter final. The top 7 all round personal
• 54:12
  best and the top five all by .2 or more.
• 54:17
  It goes back to what Owen was saying about the track being
• 54:20
  fast. Clearly it's variably fast.
• 54:25
  It's just salty that I think a few American folk didn't like
• 54:31
  because I think it might have been.
• 54:33
  Was it the second fastest or fastest ever?
• 54:36
  Like legal time under twenty time in.
• 54:42
  Yeah. And then I think there was some
• 54:45
  reference to some American that might have run faster or similar
• 54:49
  who's currently serving a four year doping ban or something.
• 54:51
  Did you say that pop up in your newsfeed?
• 54:54
  Aryan. Nice.
• 54:55
  And yeah, I think is his name, yeah.
• 54:58
  So. Yeah, I don't think they're
• 55:01
  quite across Australian athletics because they were
• 55:04
  talking about store. Butchering a few things, yeah.
• 55:08
  Star well, I kept saying. Star well.
• 55:11
  And doesn't Jonathan Go have a bit of an Aussie accent to you
• 55:14
  guys? Is he got some sort of, he's got
• 55:18
  something there. It's not all American.
• 55:20
  He'd actually be, you know what? How funny would it be to
• 55:23
  interview him? I'll be unreal.
• 55:28
  But he confused me because he's British.
• 55:31
  But then and he like acts like he's an American, like he
• 55:34
  fanboys just as much as them Disney and talks about America
• 55:39
  as though he's an American. Is he Brit?
• 55:41
  Is he's back in British? Is it?
• 55:43
  Yeah, yeah. See the guy who supports
• 55:46
  Brighton. Yeah, actually didn't realize
• 55:50
  fair play. He he ran 1442 or something like
• 55:56
  that. I didn't realize he was a good
• 55:58
  runner back in the day. 2943 Got your cupboard on?
• 56:04
  He he's right, 2943. Yeah, Oh.
• 56:08
  Shite. 14252943. And then the other two about
• 56:14
  faster I think, can't they? Don't know we're going off paced
• 56:18
  here but. The Johnson brothers.
• 56:23
  The Twins. Yeah, anyway, what did that?
• 56:27
  A conversation. They had sparked something of
• 56:30
  mine to the day as well. I'll speak about it later.
• 56:32
  Maybe we've got some more results.
• 56:34
  So and did you want to talk about these?
• 56:35
  You threw them in there. Yeah, I just should have because
• 56:39
  we spoke about them last week. I didn't know, I didn't get to
• 56:42
  watch these races. It was the Paris Marathon, so on
• 56:45
  the men's side it was won by Yemen Cripper, who I think a lot
• 56:49
  of distance runners will know. He ran 20518.
• 56:53
  Second was Bail in Teshuger who ran 2/05/23 and 3rd was CLA Kip
• 57:00
  2 around 2/05/28. So yeah pretty congested there
• 57:05
  near the top. But I just the top ten finished
• 57:08
  sub 207 which I think is just bonkers.
• 57:11
  Like Paris. I don't know if it's renowned to
• 57:15
  be a flat fast course but when the top ten finishing under 207
• 57:21
  it has to be like the top 6 for sub 206.
• 57:25
  Like that's just crazy running top. 6 within 40 seconds of each
• 57:29
  other. At least that's a good race.
• 57:32
  Yeah, yeah. I think it's just it's one of
• 57:34
  the bigger marathons. It's just not one of them world
• 57:36
  majors. Like, it does get a good crowd,
• 57:39
  but he must have got a big appearance fee to sway him away
• 57:42
  from, like a Boston or or a London.
• 57:46
  On the women's side, it was won by Cherie Demessa, who ran to
• 57:50
  1835. Second was Miss Gain Ailey Mayo
• 57:55
  who ran 219 O eight and third was Magdalen Messi who ran
• 58:00
  2/19/17 and just another double. Another noble mention was that
• 58:05
  Alisa Vianu, she's the Finnish girl, she ran at 22135.
• 58:10
  So she's continuing her sort of hot string of them two twenties,
• 58:15
  221, like she's she. She nails the marathon.
• 58:20
  She's she's pretty big on Instagram as well.
• 58:23
  I don't know if you've seen considering like she's Finnish
• 58:27
  athletes as they go don't seem so she's speaking.
• 58:30
  How about big profiles? I don't know.
• 58:34
  Ryan would know. Get her on the pod.
• 58:39
  I think, well we'll have an unread DM to her and think.
• 58:44
  Front of the account or your account?
• 58:47
  On these double accounts, yes. Met back in February, we reached
• 58:52
  out. We.
• 58:56
  We did, but yeah, she's she's a six and let's see 40 odd K
• 59:04
  followers, which is pretty, pretty big to be fair.
• 59:08
  Anyway, side tracking. And then just Blavares, way down
• 59:13
  the road, there was a Rotterdam marathon in the Netherlands on
• 59:18
  the male side. This was one by Gay Idamo Adola
• 59:23
  from Ethiopia, who ran two O 354.
• 59:28
  Second was Tisfae Dariba from Ethiopia who ran two O 415.
• 59:34
  And then third was Bashir Abdi from Belgium.
• 59:37
  He ran two O 419. So again, like pretty, pretty
• 59:41
  close finish. 4th ran two O 421, so at the top end there, yeah,
• 59:48
  it was pretty, pretty tight. Another one note we mentioned
• 59:52
  was a Hillary bore from the USA here on 2/08/40, which is pretty
• 1:00:00
  fast. I've put him right up there
• 1:00:03
  because their marathon, their trials should be coming off
• 1:00:07
  within the next year or two. So yeah, that just US field,
• 1:00:11
  just every now and then another name just gets thrown in that
• 1:00:14
  ring. Pietro Riviera, the Pietro Riva,
• 1:00:19
  is he not a 1500 guy? Yes.
• 1:00:23
  I don't know. I have to have a look.
• 1:00:25
  His name's He. Came eight, Yeah, he came eight
• 1:00:29
  and he ran two O 646. Hardly.
• 1:00:33
  How how mad is it that like the sub 210 used to be like
• 1:00:37
  unbelievable didn't it? Like that was clearly pro and
• 1:00:40
  like top level. And now as you see with these
• 1:00:44
  like Paris and Rotterdam a week before Boston and London sub
• 1:00:48
  205, like there's just so, so many people out there just
• 1:00:51
  randomly doing it kind of low key.
• 1:00:54
  It's crazy. And even if you look at that,
• 1:00:56
  who is that? A dollar?
• 1:00:57
  Who won it I've never heard of. Him, I've heard of him but not
• 1:01:00
  for like a long time like he. So he's paydays from 20 from
• 1:01:05
  Berlin. He finished second in Berlin
• 1:01:07
  back in 2017, was 8 seconds quicker.
• 1:01:11
  What the hell? Nine years ago.
• 1:01:15
  So you're not equally Asian? Resurgence.
• 1:01:17
  Yeah. So that's probably pretty super
• 1:01:19
  shoes. I assume when you ran that,
• 1:01:22
  that's like like, well, he's probably not running like
• 1:01:25
  remember 2016 Gale and Rupp and those guys who were were wearing
• 1:01:28
  like prototypes but in the Olympics.
• 1:01:35
  On the women's side, first was Mikeda's Shameless from
• 1:01:40
  Ethiopia, she ran 21856. Third was Ahmet Ahmad from
• 1:01:45
  Ethiopia who ran 22125, and 3rd was Shite Ishite from Ethiopia
• 1:01:51
  who ran 2/23/22. So an Ethiopian sweep there on
• 1:01:57
  the women's. But yeah, two very deep
• 1:01:59
  marathons in Europe there and in Ireland there was also some big
• 1:02:07
  enough races. So there was the National Rd.
• 1:02:10
  10K that was on in Phoenix Park. It's called a Revive Active
• 1:02:13
  Great Ireland. The way you call it, the Phoenix
• 1:02:16
  Park, you know bye in the Phoenix.
• 1:02:22
  Park, Yeah. On the men's side, the winner
• 1:02:26
  was in guide and he ran at 3013 and from Klon of Harriers.
• 1:02:32
  And second was Jamie Walsh who ran 3018, he's from Galway City
• 1:02:36
  Harriers. And 3rd was Jake Reagan who ran
• 1:02:39
  3022. He's from St.
• 1:02:41
  John's AC so I'm pretty good running.
• 1:02:43
  Like the Phoenix Park is not flat and Ireland weather
• 1:02:47
  recently has been absolutely abysmal.
• 1:02:49
  So they're, yeah, moving well downloads.
• 1:02:54
  What's the women incentive to win nationals here?
• 1:02:58
  It's just a national title really.
• 1:03:00
  I don't think he any money just might get a nice little post on
• 1:03:04
  athletics on Instagram. Like I don't know where.
• 1:03:08
  Like there's so many bullies missing from that national tank
• 1:03:11
  A So yeah, I don't know if it's as valued much as it shouldn't
• 1:03:17
  be. So yeah.
• 1:03:22
  And on the women's side, Emily Haggard Kearney, she won it in
• 1:03:27
  at 3025. She's from North Belfast
• 1:03:30
  Harriers and second was Hannah Gilland, she ran 3518.
• 1:03:35
  She's from Anna Dale Striders and 3rd was Sheila O'burn, she
• 1:03:41
  ran 3539 and she's from Parnells AC.
• 1:03:45
  So yeah, more good run in there. But I feel like like you just
• 1:03:50
  know by the times. Like the male field is so much
• 1:03:53
  stronger than the female field, do you think?
• 1:03:56
  5K compare 10K. In relation to a woman's 30,
• 1:04:01
  yeah, the 30 versus 33 sames on par.
• 1:04:05
  And then 35 doesn't, so it's not as much depth, hey down the
• 1:04:11
  country. There was another race.
• 1:04:12
  And Sonia O'Sullivan has a Cove 10 mile and this actually gets
• 1:04:17
  some big names. So on the male side, the winner
• 1:04:20
  was Adam Clarke and he ran a 5038.
• 1:04:24
  Second was Sean Doyle, he ran a 5144, he's from Cork City.
• 1:04:30
  And 3rd was Michael Bronpton, he ran a 5351.
• 1:04:34
  So that Adam Tarik, he's actually, he's a breast, he's
• 1:04:36
  from the UK and he he's sponsored by Adidas.
• 1:04:42
  Think he's going out with Lady Partridge?
• 1:04:43
  Oh no, he's going out with Charlotte Purdue.
• 1:04:47
  Yeah, on the women's side. And.
• 1:04:51
  Lily Partridge actually won the women's side, so she's with Ben
• 1:04:54
  Connor and she ran 5615. Second was Jess Coyne, she ran
• 1:05:00
  5754, she's from Laval AC. And 3rd was Dee Grady, she ran
• 1:05:05
  5911 and she's from NS track AC Charlotte Purdue came forward to
• 1:05:10
  not race. She around 61 minutes, but yeah,
• 1:05:13
  so yeah. Degradey is an.
• 1:05:16
  Avid listener, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:22
  But yeah, it's cool that. Sonia so well, there must be
• 1:05:24
  money. If these boys are coming across,
• 1:05:28
  you know, in in the, in the. Patreon in the easy double.
• 1:05:31
  Club when people start getting the singlets was thinking we
• 1:05:35
  should have easy double club records and if D Grady comes
• 1:05:39
  across it's going to be hard to take club records off her.
• 1:05:45
  Yeah, if you've done 11 gold in there.
• 1:05:48
  Rappers. Unless Izzy.
• 1:05:51
  Pops in. My thanks for.
• 1:05:55
  Giving us some domestic lowdown. What's going on over?
• 1:05:58
  There on the on the aisle. I thought that was 2.
• 1:06:03
  By 12 minutes 2. By 6 minutes, yeah.
• 1:06:07
  But yeah, I was doing my long run yesterday.
• 1:06:09
  And I. Was thinking well.
• 1:06:10
  I actually feel a little bit fit again now, like it's it's a nice
• 1:06:16
  feeling. Running feels normal again and
• 1:06:18
  got some confidence back. Got four or five weeks worth of
• 1:06:22
  workouts under the belt, so we'll see what that's worth.
• 1:06:28
  It feels nice to be thinking of myself as a runner again and not
• 1:06:32
  just someone sat on the sidelines passing comments
• 1:06:36
  loaded with spite because I can't run myself.
• 1:06:40
  So yeah, looking forward to. I had to save.
• 1:06:43
  I have to save some stuff for the new Agenda show, but yeah, I
• 1:06:46
  won't go into too much. You your body though.
• 1:06:51
  Like will you take her a? Little bit going into this week
• 1:06:54
  is that the the plan a bit of like a bit less time on the bike
• 1:06:58
  towards the back end of the week yeah.
• 1:07:00
  So that was the thing I was trying to figure out because.
• 1:07:03
  I've only ran 70K as a peak, but then obviously quite a few hours
• 1:07:07
  on the bike as well and that's probably just like invisible
• 1:07:10
  fatigue almost. So just need to like strip that
• 1:07:13
  right back, reduce the volume of the run and keep some of the
• 1:07:17
  intensity there for the sharpness and the confidence and
• 1:07:21
  we should be good to go. The main thing is to hold back a
• 1:07:24
  bit on the session tomorrow, not try and get any last minute
• 1:07:28
  confidence or fake fitness because it's all been accounted
• 1:07:32
  for by now. Yeah, I had a pretty big.
• 1:07:36
  Week as well. I think I had my biggest.
• 1:07:37
  Week ever in Ireland and I ran I think 146 kilometers, a few
• 1:07:45
  juicy sessions, double threshold on a Tuesday, Saturday and then
• 1:07:52
  just single threshold on Thursday.
• 1:07:54
  So yeah, lots of them threshold work in there.
• 1:07:57
  Easy long run on the Sunday, cycled.
• 1:08:01
  Did a bit of cycling on the Wednesday just to sort of feel
• 1:08:04
  like after the double threshold on the Tuesday, I do feel a
• 1:08:07
  little bit beat up. I don't know where it's because
• 1:08:09
  I, I get away with it on the Saturday because I can nap and
• 1:08:12
  all that sort of stuff, but feed up.
• 1:08:13
  Whereas on a Tuesday you're in work, you're sort of like
• 1:08:17
  cognitively engaged with other people.
• 1:08:19
  But yeah, I sort of feel a bit beat up on the Wednesday.
• 1:08:23
  So I sort of just take it easy and cycle a little, put a little
• 1:08:27
  cycling in instead of running for like 60 minutes.
• 1:08:31
  But yeah, big week. So.
• 1:08:34
  Hopefully I'll have another few weeks with this before yeah,
• 1:08:38
  racing. I don't think I'll have much
• 1:08:39
  speed work done for the 1500 I do in May, which will be not fun
• 1:08:45
  at all. But no, it's exciting.
• 1:08:50
  Yeah, I was. Two workouts in a steady run
• 1:08:53
  last week, so. Yeah.
• 1:08:55
  That workout with you on the Tuesday, Ryan Steady run
• 1:08:58
  Thursday and then a workout it's 4 by 2K on the Saturday and then
• 1:09:04
  a long run yesterday. I pulled up pretty sore in that
• 1:09:09
  long run on Sunday so I may just have a bit of a downer like a
• 1:09:12
  lot of week this week I intentionally I didn't ride
• 1:09:15
  Saturday My I was Wheeling my bike out of the house Thursday
• 1:09:19
  morning to do the morning bike threshold work ahead of the
• 1:09:24
  Thursday night run and my back wheel had buckled.
• 1:09:27
  So bike bike problems that I'm very.
• 1:09:32
  Unfamiliar with? So it's currently getting
• 1:09:34
  serviced, but it means, yeah, so I meant I, I sort of juggle
• 1:09:39
  things around a little bit, but to be honest, I'm I'm a bit
• 1:09:43
  uncomfortable in that hip area. So.
• 1:09:45
  I'm, I'm thinking I might just have a bit of a lot of time of
• 1:09:47
  it. Did you see that cycle?
• 1:09:51
  Race in France. Where there's like a load of
• 1:09:53
  cobbles, the Paris looks like chaos.
• 1:09:58
  I seen he get loud and he loves his saddle and then Oh my God.
• 1:10:06
  And. People.
• 1:10:06
  Yeah. And then it finishes.
• 1:10:08
  On like an Oval it was really cool the way it finished, like
• 1:10:12
  the little like velodrome type open velodrome.
• 1:10:16
  Yeah, and Aussie, this has been like somewhere between 5:00.
• 1:10:21
  And 10 years ago, there was. An Aussie guy that was a
• 1:10:25
  domestic most for most of his days so he spent most of the
• 1:10:28
  time just grabbing drink bottles and riding to set up race wins
• 1:10:33
  for other people and somehow found himself in a breakaway in
• 1:10:38
  this particular race. And yeah, managed to snag it in
• 1:10:41
  a Sprint finish inside that velodrome.
• 1:10:44
  And I was I was at a mate's house a bit of a watch party
• 1:10:47
  watching it and it all have it was a bit of a fairy tale.
• 1:10:50
  So yeah, it looks like a cool, cool race.
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  A guy we went to high school with, he, he just announced that
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  was his last one. He's been riding for 11 years
• 1:11:00
  and hanging up boot so it looks looks.
• 1:11:05
  Intense, hey? Yeah.
• 1:11:07
  Was it like going? For like the.
• 1:11:11
  Would that have been like his fifth monument or something this
• 1:11:14
  year if he'd won that? Who's this Tad Pagacha?
• 1:11:18
  Yeah, that sound. About right.
• 1:11:19
  Paris one, yeah. He's won pretty much everything.
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• 1:12:02
  What close to? Home Jay Barraclough out of
• 1:12:04
  London, but in the same week he announced to see that of London.
• 1:12:08
  He does attract. 5K, which is just very Jake Ish.
• 1:12:14
  Yeah, it's sad, but I think it is like bigger picture, like
• 1:12:17
  it's the right call. He's nowhere near fit enough to
• 1:12:20
  run London just from a cost perspective as well.
• 1:12:23
  Like flying from Japan to London, it just wouldn't be
• 1:12:28
  worth it. So I think we could all see a
• 1:12:30
  sort of common. But yeah, he's doing an accident
• 1:12:36
  instead apparently, which in his eyes is a bigger event.
• 1:12:40
  I think only his eyes it's bigger.
• 1:12:47
  Have you heard some of the Is he?
• 1:12:50
  Talking about the is it like her Kony, like the New Year's Day?
• 1:12:55
  This is just the Yamagata or something like that Yamagata.
• 1:12:58
  I couldn't. It's probably big in the
• 1:13:00
  Japanese eyes. Yeah, it's probably bigger.
• 1:13:02
  Yeah. But in like worldwide, like
• 1:13:04
  London Marathon is freaking enormous.
• 1:13:06
  For a British London Marathon is like the pinnacle.
• 1:13:09
  OK, so, but it would be fair to say that perhaps?
• 1:13:12
  There's some accidents that rivals the London Marathon.
• 1:13:15
  Would you, would you allow that or no?
• 1:13:19
  If you're from Japan, probably. Like, do you really care about?
• 1:13:22
  Like the Haqqani Academy? No.
• 1:13:25
  Well, I can't even live stream it, can you?
• 1:13:27
  I. Struggle to get a strength to
• 1:13:28
  Tokyo, but no it's. We got to see.
• 1:13:34
  I'd love the idea of the accidents.
• 1:13:35
  So yeah, good luck to him doing that one.
• 1:13:38
  And I like the way he's going back to sort of doing like a
• 1:13:41
  track 5K. What did he run?
• 1:13:43
  Did he run? He ran sub 15.
• 1:13:45
  His goal was sub 1530. I think we all knew he was going
• 1:13:48
  around yeah, around like 15 flat thereabouts.
• 1:13:52
  The. Yeah, so I did like the comment
• 1:13:55
  about the. Do the echidon.
• 1:13:57
  As a warm up, Well, not as a warm up.
• 1:13:58
  Lift your ceiling, you know, through an echidon.
• 1:14:01
  So do that because what did he say?
• 1:14:03
  They normally say between 10 and 20 KS the legs in those
• 1:14:06
  echidons. So you you lift your your
• 1:14:09
  threshold to do that and then you do a marathon block off the
• 1:14:12
  back of that, which he said. That's quite a popular approach
• 1:14:16
  for a lot of the Japanese. Yeah, there'll be a race
• 1:14:20
  planned. In like may or.
• 1:14:21
  Something half marathon distance and you can see like the
• 1:14:25
  headline already. Like can I hold the 5K pace from
• 1:14:30
  just April for four times the length in just three weeks time?
• 1:14:37
  Hey, it's good. It gets.
• 1:14:40
  Me. Does he go Australia for his
• 1:14:43
  marathon? Do you think?
• 1:14:46
  I did mention on one of his videos.
• 1:14:49
  There's he'd mentioned Gold Coast but he's done that twice
• 1:14:53
  already so I don't know if he'd maybe Sydney.
• 1:14:59
  It's I think he's really pace. Oriented, yeah, true, Melbourne
• 1:15:05
  would keep changing. But yeah.
• 1:15:09
  So. Good looking now Jake.
• 1:15:12
  Umm, the World Marathon Championships.
• 1:15:13
  So that was announced this week. So sort of like a standalone
• 1:15:16
  event because it used to be in conjunction with the World UMM
• 1:15:21
  Athletics Championships. Umm, so this?
• 1:15:24
  Year it was like that Sprint finish in the stadium, which I
• 1:15:27
  personally love. I love one of them races like
• 1:15:29
  finish in a stadium. I think it's so cool.
• 1:15:32
  Umm, but this one, yes, it'll be it's like own thing and
• 1:15:35
  apparently one year it's going to be for men, the next year is.
• 1:15:39
  Going to be for women. I really don't know.
• 1:15:41
  I probably should have read up on it a little bit.
• 1:15:44
  I tried reading this article to understand what the.
• 1:15:47
  Motivation is here and I can't understand it.
• 1:15:54
  And basically the first one is going to be in.
• 1:15:55
  Athens because that. Is the home of a lie?
• 1:15:59
  Actually, I don't know. Why is it?
• 1:16:01
  Why is it nothing? That actually, yeah, the.
• 1:16:03
  Olympics. I just don't understand SO.
• 1:16:06
  I thought some of these major championships, part of the magic
• 1:16:10
  of them was that all these athletes in various disciplines
• 1:16:13
  converge in on the same time, in the same place, and it's in
• 1:16:18
  summer because it's the Summer Olympics or it's a summer World
• 1:16:21
  Championships and their summer sports.
• 1:16:22
  And, and it, there's some, it not only are the events special,
• 1:16:28
  but it's something about the whole competition is special.
• 1:16:31
  And so you're competing for your country and yet there's a medal
• 1:16:34
  tally like while you're carving an event out, like some of the
• 1:16:39
  magic of being at a championships, you know, the
• 1:16:41
  opening, closing ceremonies, like marathoners already.
• 1:16:46
  They're often the last events on the program.
• 1:16:49
  So you don't get to enjoy any of the program, but the swimmers
• 1:16:52
  are often 1st and then get to have fun or, you know, like I
• 1:16:58
  yeah, I don't I don't understand what the draw card is for this.
• 1:17:02
  Like I know there are other races that are stand alone, like
• 1:17:04
  world cross country is obviously stand alone, the world half
• 1:17:07
  marathon champs to stand low. We have the you know, the mile
• 1:17:10
  and fought like those other races that are stand alone
• 1:17:13
  championships. But I don't know if you're there
• 1:17:16
  must be some financial. Incentive is all I.
• 1:17:18
  Can think of do you put on with the world road running
• 1:17:22
  championships? Like there's a mile, 5K10K half.
• 1:17:26
  Would you throw it on the marathon then?
• 1:17:27
  I just think there's too many big events.
• 1:17:28
  Like there has to be a massive like cash grab for this to like
• 1:17:33
  for an athlete to pick it over, let's say a world major.
• 1:17:35
  Well, it's just, yeah, I do it. It feels like it loses.
• 1:17:39
  Its place in like it's no longer is it a world?
• 1:17:43
  What is it? And then are they in teams?
• 1:17:44
  Like does it maybe open people up so you can send a bigger team
• 1:17:48
  of marathoners versusing each other?
• 1:17:50
  Maybe. I think it rotates.
• 1:17:53
  As well so one. Year you could have, I don't
• 1:17:56
  know if they're going to integrate the world majors into
• 1:17:58
  this, Like one year you could have the world Marathon
• 1:18:01
  championships, like Chicago could be the World Marathon
• 1:18:04
  championship like after Athens or something like that.
• 1:18:08
  But I heard, I think it was them boys, the American lads on their
• 1:18:13
  Let's Run podcast. I think they were saying that
• 1:18:16
  it's one year is male, the next year is female.
• 1:18:22
  Yeah, that is supposedly. The thing and I don't
• 1:18:24
  understand. The motivation either perhaps
• 1:18:27
  would it be to try and like make it seem more prestigious, but I
• 1:18:32
  think it does the opposite. Yeah.
• 1:18:34
  Like there's no, it just sounds awful.
• 1:18:38
  Yeah, and the the article released by World Athletics does
• 1:18:41
  say from what you've said. Oh, and in terms of alternate
• 1:18:43
  years, so it's still every, you have a World Championships every
• 1:18:46
  second year, but there's a race that signifies the champion.
• 1:18:51
  So then you don't even qualify in the same way like the US
• 1:18:55
  Olympic world Championship trials, if they run a race
• 1:18:59
  doesn't exist. I don't know, it's just, I just,
• 1:19:03
  I don't get it. Not fair.
• 1:19:06
  Just like dilute the quality of the.
• 1:19:09
  Already the World Championships in themselves because it takes
• 1:19:12
  the marathon out of it and then the marathon World Championships
• 1:19:16
  by itself probably doesn't stand up as much as they would like it
• 1:19:20
  to do. So like if you compare it to all
• 1:19:22
  the majors, it's going to be viewed on not on par as like a
• 1:19:30
  London. And a new.
• 1:19:31
  York I don't think. I just just don't like.
• 1:19:36
  I wish. The article came out and said
• 1:19:37
  something that actually like was meaningful as to why they'd
• 1:19:41
  helped you get on board with it, or even just truthful.
• 1:19:46
  No, didn't, none of it. It's like paragraphs and
• 1:19:49
  paragraphs of. Gobble.
• 1:19:52
  Like kind of it actually says why they didn't what it was it
• 1:19:56
  why is it taking the event forward yes, so that was that in
• 1:20:01
  other. News Sam Ruth He's come out and
• 1:20:06
  the poor chap has a. Stressy.
• 1:20:08
  But apparently it was on his like rest week, so it's not
• 1:20:11
  running related. He's like, was he playing
• 1:20:13
  football or something and he like moved a certain way or
• 1:20:17
  something like that, which is super, super unfortunate because
• 1:20:21
  he was very fragile additions to come games, wouldn't he?
• 1:20:25
  Yeah. But he might be back like it
• 1:20:27
  depends. How if he caught it early, like
• 1:20:29
  Cole Gibbons, he caught his and he's back cross training already
• 1:20:33
  and what just shows how fragile those runners are.
• 1:20:36
  Do you reckon that's how it happens?
• 1:20:38
  You reckon it could, you could be that unlucky or you reckon it
• 1:20:40
  wasn't. Selling, underlying, you don't
• 1:20:44
  know. You really don't know.
• 1:20:47
  Seems very. Unlucky, doesn't it?
• 1:20:51
  And. Back to Japan, Ethan.
• 1:20:53
  Surely the guy. Who ran two O 7 in Osaka.
• 1:20:57
  He's he's taking holiday boys. He's gone over to Gold Coast and
• 1:21:03
  so he's going to be well first. First is Launceston.
• 1:21:06
  He's doing the Launceston half where he hopes to break 61.
• 1:21:12
  I watched his YouTube and he came out with that and he's
• 1:21:16
  pacing Gold Coast Marathon. So either the two O 7 group or
• 1:21:20
  two O 9 group which is I should just go show.
• 1:21:24
  Gold Coast Marathon is absolutely stacked.
• 1:21:28
  That's cool on both accounts. Like I mean it potentially you'd
• 1:21:30
  have to. Be favorite.
• 1:21:32
  Right for the Launceston half, Yeah.
• 1:21:35
  Oh, you. Wouldn't know some of them
• 1:21:37
  Aussies. Like her God and did all
• 1:21:41
  Japanese comes over as well. Yeah, Jimmy Whelan, the
• 1:21:44
  redemption race. He'll hardly fly across back.
• 1:21:48
  He's dying. In Spain, isn't he?
• 1:21:50
  Yeah. But yeah, that's a.
• 1:21:53
  Really common double I don't know well I done the Lancest, I
• 1:21:56
  done Lanceston 10K Australian and then the Gold Coast attended
• 1:22:02
  on Gold Coast 10K as well and I did the Launceston 10 into Gold
• 1:22:05
  Coast half but we. Didn't know each other then.
• 1:22:10
  Yeah, that's funny. We were invited.
• 1:22:13
  That was bizarre, hey. So did you do it 2023?
• 1:22:17
  No 24424 yeah, yeah. What did I only?
• 1:22:22
  Think I got in the last Test and I got like 3052 or something
• 1:22:26
  like that. You were well up the road.
• 1:22:29
  It was 30 or. 4 I think. Yeah, but you know, they were
• 1:22:35
  building the. Half then like that half.
• 1:22:37
  Marathon was one of the first years that they were really
• 1:22:39
  trying to promote it as a like they were trying to get like a
• 1:22:45
  label status. So they needed athlete
• 1:22:47
  representation of a certain tier across multiple.
• 1:22:50
  So I'm sure Ethan getting Ethan to come across and some of those
• 1:22:54
  Japanese guys helps them with whatever they need to do to tick
• 1:22:58
  the boxes there. So it's great that it's like
• 1:23:01
  another step in a good direction, which I think that
• 1:23:03
  race is exceptionally good. Like I couldn't I, I couldn't
• 1:23:07
  talk about it. Both Gold Coast but and the
• 1:23:10
  Launceston races, particularly the lawn system, unlike the
• 1:23:13
  climate is fantastic. They don't create any that they
• 1:23:18
  created put on like a really exceptional courses.
• 1:23:22
  They're really well run. Was that your experience too
• 1:23:26
  long? Yeah, I stayed high cash down.
• 1:23:29
  I've stayed that on the. Hotel, right.
• 1:23:31
  I think it's called the opposite.
• 1:23:34
  The society. Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:23:36
  So. It's really looking at the
• 1:23:37
  window and I could see the boys like warming.
• 1:23:38
  Up and off and but yeah, like, Launceston is a beautiful punch,
• 1:23:42
  but beautiful part of Australia as well.
• 1:23:45
  And guys were in the same hotel at the same time and didn't know
• 1:23:49
  each other. Yeah.
• 1:23:50
  Yeah. And it's just made for running.
• 1:23:54
  Fast like it's pancake. Flat course and perfect
• 1:23:58
  conditions, bit cold if anything.
• 1:24:01
  And I think that year Brett Robinson and Sinead Diver, they
• 1:24:05
  both won the half. Did Brett?
• 1:24:08
  Yeah. Did Brett win in the end do?
• 1:24:11
  You think he won the half? Yeah.
• 1:24:14
  It was all very. Close, I was roaming with.
• 1:24:16
  The Kenyan fellow that came in to.
• 1:24:18
  Do it. And I think he.
• 1:24:20
  Maybe got too cold. He struggled about halfway in.
• 1:24:24
  Did you speak to him the night before?
• 1:24:26
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:24:28
  Was he a better roommate than me?
• 1:24:33
  He was nice. I mean, you're both lovely.
• 1:24:40
  It Speaking of like weird coincidences like that.
• 1:24:43
  The other day, Tom Ted sent me a photo from the Inside Run event
• 1:24:49
  at Gold Coast 2024. And obviously I didn't know
• 1:24:53
  either of you 2 or let alone him at the time.
• 1:24:56
  And like mine and Tom's backs are almost like against each
• 1:25:01
  other, facing the other way, just having conversations with
• 1:25:03
  different people. We all were you at that.
• 1:25:07
  We're about is that that event? Yeah, so was I, Yeah, I was at
• 1:25:10
  the same. Did you?
• 1:25:15
  Did you both have any beers? Yeah, no.
• 1:25:20
  Yeah, I was. I was trying put as many as it
• 1:25:22
  could away since you were. Free.
• 1:25:25
  Actually, after that I didn't go up there, had a.
• 1:25:28
  Rooftop thing after I didn't go up and that was when I first met
• 1:25:32
  Jake back off. I hopped on the the train and he
• 1:25:36
  was beside me and I was like, oh, I watched her because at the
• 1:25:39
  time I only knew him from TikTok.
• 1:25:42
  He was on TikTok for a bit. And I was like, oh.
• 1:25:46
  Senior TikTok and now look at him now half the pretty big deal
• 1:25:52
  is he just. Rapping on tip TikTok.
• 1:25:54
  Or. I was only memory of him is.
• 1:25:57
  He was like running down the. Street.
• 1:25:59
  And he was like in a suit and it was like the initial like,
• 1:26:02
  right, he's running to Japan. Yeah.
• 1:26:05
  Gotcha. Yeah.
• 1:26:08
  I'll have to relook at that. Photo then DNC if we can see you
• 1:26:11
  on. That rooftop, anywhere you'd
• 1:26:14
  been over next to Brady, scheming about something.
• 1:26:19
  Rough talking business talking show.
• 1:26:23
  Was rough up there as well I could have been.
• 1:26:27
  Shit, all right. And over that, we're going to.
• 1:26:30
  Boston. The.
• 1:26:32
  Elite feels. Well, if this is sort of a
• 1:26:34
  preview, it's going to happen before our next recording.
• 1:26:38
  So yeah, in short terms, if this is absolutely stacked, I didn't
• 1:26:44
  realize how big of a marathon Boston was.
• 1:26:48
  Like it to the Americans, it's like the marathon, like it is
• 1:26:53
  the one, and I don't get it because it's not even legal.
• 1:26:56
  Well, it is legal, but like there's an asterisk beside it
• 1:26:58
  because it's point to point. It's the OG isn't it, of the.
• 1:27:03
  Majors, the original first, I think, but yeah, so.
• 1:27:11
  I don't even know where to start.
• 1:27:12
  Boys you've got on the women's field, the fastest time is
• 1:27:17
  Sharon Locati. She's around 2:17 and she has
• 1:27:21
  the record in Boston. Then you've Irene checked I.
• 1:27:26
  Working as. Edisa, there are 217 girls on
• 1:27:30
  the American side. Emily System.
• 1:27:32
  She's running. She is the national record
• 1:27:34
  holder. She's a 218 girl.
• 1:27:36
  Got Sarah Hall there. Kelly Thackery represent.
• 1:27:39
  Surely Haley Thackery isn't running.
• 1:27:43
  Oh, she's pregnant, isn't she? Yeah.
• 1:27:46
  And. Load of top Americans.
• 1:27:49
  Is he? Is there?
• 1:27:51
  Lisa Whiteman is there, even though she's an asterisk beside
• 1:27:53
  her name for some reason. I've never seen an elite list so
• 1:27:58
  long before. It's absolutely stacked.
• 1:28:02
  You've got. Ava Crean from Ireland.
• 1:28:04
  I haven't heard much about her since her Dublin marathon thing
• 1:28:07
  she won but she is on the start list so she's around 2:34.
• 1:28:12
  So she'll be nowhere near the front, but it'll be interesting
• 1:28:14
  to see how she gets on. And yeah, then on the men's
• 1:28:19
  side, the top of the field, you've got Benson Caputo, he's
• 1:28:22
  around 2O216IN Tokyo John career two O 224 and then Mckesa
• 1:28:32
  Bygasa, he's around 2O3 and the. Boys again.
• 1:28:40
  It is just so stacked, just all top Kenyans and Ethiopians that
• 1:28:44
  Abdi Negae, he's the first European, he's around two O 420
• 1:28:50
  in London last year. I.
• 1:28:56
  Know I know he'd be so. Good, he'd be well up there.
• 1:29:01
  But the good thing with this, there's no cases.
• 1:29:02
  So it actually. Is like a proper.
• 1:29:04
  Race and apparently the weather is meant to be good.
• 1:29:09
  Yeah, zoo her. Talby, he's the guy.
• 1:29:11
  Who's from Morocco, But he's transferring to the USA and
• 1:29:16
  you've got Sandra Moen Roy Linklater from Canada.
• 1:29:19
  Apparently he's going well. He drinks the Namio as well.
• 1:29:23
  Howdy, Karen. And is he running?
• 1:29:27
  Be nice if he is. Can only a shame he is I feel
• 1:29:30
  I've seen him for a. While he's you.
• 1:29:32
  Hear nothing about him. I don't think he's run.
• 1:29:34
  Since the Houston race in 04 in 2024, Joe Clacker going.
• 1:29:42
  Again, second attempt, Charles. Hicks has seen important scene
• 1:29:46
  next to him. It says USA slash Great Britain
• 1:29:49
  has seen him on Instagram putting up a like a rail of his
• 1:29:53
  session the other day and he runs past his mate at like 5
• 1:29:57
  minute mile pace, like 20 miles into the run or something.
• 1:30:01
  He just says to him so comfortably, I am so fit right
• 1:30:04
  now. You've got Barry Keane from
• 1:30:10
  Ireland, he's a 2. 11:30 One guy if I.
• 1:30:16
  If we go. Win a prediction and USA.
• 1:30:22
  Because a lot of. That they really do a great job,
• 1:30:25
  don't they, of incentivizing like monetary incentive as well
• 1:30:29
  as just building hype for American athletes.
• 1:30:32
  So would you want to do a overall?
• 1:30:36
  Winner in USA first. US.
• 1:30:40
  I'd go John. Creer for the win on the male
• 1:30:42
  side. I just can't see I'm being
• 1:30:46
  beaten. I'm not.
• 1:30:47
  Are we going to call zoo? Her a child be American yeah Oh
• 1:30:51
  yeah, it's a fair share if. We are until he's gone.
• 1:30:54
  Yeah, he's the best you're. Not.
• 1:30:58
  In there as well. So he's doing it.
• 1:31:03
  No, he's not listed as he who was.
• 1:31:06
  Who was he? Who was he training?
• 1:31:08
  Who was? Clayton Young, who was in that
• 1:31:11
  workout that he got that he got dropped.
• 1:31:14
  Casey Clinger. Casey Clinger Where's Where's
• 1:31:17
  his? Name in here.
• 1:31:19
  Yeah, he ran Tokyo, so I think it might be a bit soon.
• 1:31:23
  All right. I think it's a.
• 1:31:25
  Shoe in like your. Man Zuhar.
• 1:31:28
  Talbi is just by far the Bear American and well, who do you
• 1:31:32
  sell for the win? Alex Masai.
• 1:31:38
  I mean, they're all. Like, who's to say?
• 1:31:40
  Like symbols? Yeah, yeah, I.
• 1:31:44
  Mean. I mean.
• 1:31:46
  Symbols would be right and high, wouldn't he, after what happened
• 1:31:50
  last year at the world champion Adi Negay, like is always, is
• 1:31:59
  always up there as well, right? I can't look past Korea either.
• 1:32:05
  He seems to. Look like he's taking the piss
• 1:32:07
  every time he runs. Is Mengesha.
• 1:32:16
  Running well, that's a name that's been like it is.
• 1:32:23
  I mean, he's. 25 in the AFL. That's brown low.
• 1:32:26
  Age, so I'll back him in. Yeah.
• 1:32:31
  Women, maybe? Yeah, look, Caddy.
• 1:32:34
  But I can't look past Aaron and Caddy.
• 1:32:36
  She's better. Than as well.
• 1:32:38
  Yeah. And then I'd go for Fiona
• 1:32:41
  O'Keefe. She'll be well over there.
• 1:32:43
  I nearly back her to get top five.
• 1:32:46
  She'll just hang in. She was the one who hang in and
• 1:32:49
  put home on in. Boston as well.
• 1:32:51
  Or was it New York? Oh, it's it's a.
• 1:32:55
  Shame and Khalif Thackery isn't. Like doing this in top shape
• 1:32:59
  because we could have had Great Britain versus Ireland versus
• 1:33:03
  Australia because guys, you're not putting a 19 year old from
• 1:33:08
  a. Highland up against ten women.
• 1:33:12
  That's not fair. How?
• 1:33:16
  Far up the list. Can is he finish?
• 1:33:18
  That's what I'm excited to. See, like it's been, it feels
• 1:33:20
  like in, in his ease terms, it's been a while since she's raced
• 1:33:24
  and she's been quietly working away.
• 1:33:27
  I've watched a couple of their Youtubes, to be fair, in the
• 1:33:29
  past few weeks especially, Well, in the past week or so, I was
• 1:33:33
  getting excited for Boston. So she started to pump better
• 1:33:36
  content out, sort of have engaged.
• 1:33:39
  And yeah, she's been doing these long runs with, I don't know how
• 1:33:43
  it's like 36 K maybe or something.
• 1:33:46
  And it's just this rolling, rolling hills.
• 1:33:49
  And it's one of them where she runs downhill for like 8K or
• 1:33:53
  something. So straight away it's like 3-4
• 1:33:56
  minute case or 340 fives, like just straight into it.
• 1:33:59
  And you see the, the elevation map on Strava is literally just
• 1:34:04
  like room. And then she does it out and
• 1:34:06
  back. So then it finishes with the
• 1:34:08
  massive uphill. And yeah, whoever puts their
• 1:34:12
  content together, it's it's a good the good little watches
• 1:34:16
  like to be fair, I know kind of like Clayton Young's, the gold
• 1:34:19
  standard and is eases of like a similar template, but not as
• 1:34:24
  heavily like Clayton Young's all about like dramatizing it as
• 1:34:28
  well as knee, whereas disease is just a bit more real.
• 1:34:30
  Like you see a in in the shop day-to-day and stuff.
• 1:34:34
  So they're a good watch. She's what listed here 1-2,
• 1:34:38
  three 16th on the women's. Kind of like.
• 1:34:43
  PBS list and you know how Boston goes.
• 1:34:48
  I think she gets a PB. No pressure, is he?
• 1:34:50
  But I think. She gets a PB and she had a
• 1:34:54
  really good blocker. Those hills though, I think
• 1:34:58
  what? Is it whether they come like 20?
• 1:35:00
  8K or something? Is it the mutant or something?
• 1:35:03
  I think Newton Hills or. Yeah.
• 1:35:07
  Is heartbreak like the first? One that's like early or.
• 1:35:09
  Is that is that towards the end? That's why they call it
• 1:35:12
  heartbreak looking at this. Field like, it's like in the
• 1:35:19
  women's field, it's a potential that there's quite a large
• 1:35:22
  women's pack at least through halfway, Hey, like that.
• 1:35:28
  Shower like the women. Yeah, I feel like she battered.
• 1:35:30
  The women's. Yeah, and she'll like blow the
• 1:35:32
  doors off everyone late likely, but.
• 1:35:36
  Like even the top Ethiopian Adisa, like she ran in Osaka
• 1:35:42
  earlier in the year, ran 219 high, which is a good run, but
• 1:35:47
  it's not, you know, it's not otherworldly, right?
• 1:35:50
  So like everyone else is probably sitting in waiting for
• 1:35:52
  it to break up. So hopefully Izzy's in there and
• 1:35:58
  has a, has a, has a good race, Izzy Obi running.
• 1:36:03
  With Brady. That's right.
• 1:36:06
  He's yeah. Well, hopefully she drops him.
• 1:36:09
  Well, no, When they. Don't they start at different?
• 1:36:12
  Times, OH. Yeah, separate fields.
• 1:36:14
  Isn't it? Yeah.
• 1:36:16
  Right. He's not that fit, is he?
• 1:36:20
  He's been coming back. For a while like and he's been
• 1:36:22
  putting the mileage. In How did your man get?
• 1:36:27
  On in Canberra, dear. God, what's Cokes?
• 1:36:29
  How did he get on? Oh, he posted.
• 1:36:32
  Time for me to for me to chase. On Sunday I got 1/2.
• 1:36:38
  I didn't say that. Holding a phone, Yeah.
• 1:36:42
  Just fighters, always. Yeah, well, nice one.
• 1:36:47
  That concludes the running news. YouTube Diaries are kind of
• 1:36:51
  touched on it there. I was going to talk about Izzy's
• 1:36:53
  anyway. I don't know.
• 1:36:54
  I have another one up my sleeve. Did did you guys have anything
• 1:36:57
  you wanted to say about Izzy's? Have you been following or
• 1:37:00
  anything or should I roll into the next one?
• 1:37:04
  I've been following this is she's.
• 1:37:05
  Got a very nice Jeep now. She got the perfect setup with
• 1:37:08
  that sort of gym. What was it run as one gym
• 1:37:12
  thing? And yeah, seems like she's been
• 1:37:15
  getting in the work in. I just love the community that
• 1:37:17
  looks like they've just, it's sort of like the front runner
• 1:37:19
  thing. The community they have in Perth
• 1:37:22
  is sort of like in Adelaide as well, just like the coffee shop
• 1:37:26
  and just don't know. It just seems like a really good
• 1:37:29
  vibe, like some turn out at them group runs on a Saturday and
• 1:37:33
  like she knows everyone. It's like Ralph knows everyone.
• 1:37:37
  Yeah. Not a bad setup for them.
• 1:37:39
  Be having the coaching. Business because you see as
• 1:37:43
  she's doing the long run, everyone she runs past she's
• 1:37:47
  like hello so and so because they've all been out doing the
• 1:37:51
  same run and they're literally all part of runners One It's the
• 1:37:57
  it's what happens in there small cities, big towns, Perth and
• 1:38:01
  Adelaide, everyone knows each other.
• 1:38:03
  I guess it's like when I rock up to a shot run on a Wednesday.
• 1:38:07
  Oh, and everyone's like, oh, Ryan, how are you?
• 1:38:11
  Like, you know, it's the celebrity.
• 1:38:14
  Can you sign my hat? You know, the other week
• 1:38:18
  someone. Raff was like.
• 1:38:20
  Asking someone to come, like seeing if they fancy coming down
• 1:38:23
  to training or something. And they kind of like said, Oh
• 1:38:26
  yeah, like here are you kind of thing.
• 1:38:29
  And he was like, he needs to learn, doesn't he?
• 1:38:35
  Well, yeah, the the other. YouTube Diaries I wanted to
• 1:38:37
  mention. Was I watched Josh Kerr's video
• 1:38:39
  from the world Champs and you know, the other week we said his
• 1:38:43
  like Instagram content during that period was very good.
• 1:38:46
  His world champs video. I know in the past I've kind of,
• 1:38:50
  I feel like he's Max Verstappen to me.
• 1:38:52
  Like I didn't like him at 1st and now I've come round he's
• 1:38:56
  he's opened the door and he's welcomed me in.
• 1:38:58
  He's not he doesn't have like the charisma and like the humor
• 1:39:02
  that everyone else does. But something about is like
• 1:39:05
  directness. Was it the fact that he laughs
• 1:39:09
  at your? Jokes as well, right?
• 1:39:11
  Oh well, the this is. This was the.
• 1:39:15
  Saving that for the No Agenda show, but we did uncover some
• 1:39:20
  DMS between Ryan Greenwood's personal Instagram accounts and
• 1:39:26
  Josh Kerr back in Because I was list.
• 1:39:30
  That's what was listening to the Let's Run boys and they were
• 1:39:33
  talking about Brooke shoes with Josh.
• 1:39:35
  They interviewed them and then something just pinged in my
• 1:39:38
  brain. I was like, I've spoken about
• 1:39:40
  Brooke shoes to Josh Kerr before.
• 1:39:44
  He replied a couple of times. He was giving me like decent
• 1:39:49
  bits back. To be fair, this is back in the
• 1:39:52
  day 2021 October. So he just got his the guest.
• 1:39:58
  Silver. Tokyo.
• 1:40:00
  Yeah, in 2021. Silver.
• 1:40:02
  Silver. Remember, Nagus nearly ran him.
• 1:40:05
  Ran over. The top of him hacker got gone.
• 1:40:08
  Oh no, yeah, bronze, because on the back of my first.
• 1:40:10
  Message I've said don't think I could send this message.
• 1:40:13
  This is the this is the content I'm saving.
• 1:40:15
  But anyway, I don't think I won't give the whole thing don't
• 1:40:19
  think I could send this message without saying Congrats on the
• 1:40:21
  bronze medal. So there you go and yeah, he's
• 1:40:25
  he's given me his Brooks rotation back in 2021.
• 1:40:31
  I feel like he's just lacking. That bit of.
• 1:40:33
  I don't know that, like, I think was the same thing Cole was on
• 1:40:36
  about his double trouble. Like, I feel like he's just
• 1:40:39
  lacking that bit of weirdness that, like, the other guys have
• 1:40:43
  to make them so lovable. Yeah.
• 1:40:46
  You know what, though? He has got like decent banter.
• 1:40:48
  Because there was a bit on the video where the bit I love is
• 1:40:53
  the coaching calls, you know, where like pre race he rings.
• 1:40:56
  Danny Mackey is coach and he's got that Julian, the guy with
• 1:40:59
  the longer hair who does like the sessions with him next to
• 1:41:02
  him. And they've got the phone on
• 1:41:04
  speaker and it's it's incredible the way they do it.
• 1:41:08
  They like theorize how the race might play out, like who's the
• 1:41:11
  major player, kind of like what the pace might be, whose moves I
• 1:41:15
  need to cover. And when you listen or watch it
• 1:41:20
  in hindsight, knowing how the race when the fact that they're
• 1:41:23
  able to like forecast exactly what's going to happen is crazy.
• 1:41:27
  It's not that crazy when you think about it, but I wonder if
• 1:41:31
  all the other guys in the race are going into such detail in
• 1:41:34
  planning. And I don't quite think that.
• 1:41:37
  I do think that's maybe something he has over the
• 1:41:39
  others, whether that's just what he wants everyone to believe,
• 1:41:43
  that he has like this extreme level of detail.
• 1:41:46
  But I think it's clear that he does.
• 1:41:48
  And then at the end of the call, he goes he the guy behind the
• 1:41:55
  camera. What's his name?
• 1:41:56
  Westie, he says like. How's the race going to play
• 1:41:58
  out, Josh? And then he kind of says, I'm
• 1:42:01
  going to sit in first lap. Then I'll come round on the
• 1:42:03
  straight says how he sees it going anyway.
• 1:42:06
  And then he goes and then I'll like obviously I'll win and I'll
• 1:42:10
  hit them with the like the and for the listeners, this he don't
• 1:42:15
  like the sleeping emoji thing. So that was all pre planned that
• 1:42:18
  he was going to do that as he as he came over the line, which is
• 1:42:22
  is good in fairness, that's with it the.
• 1:42:26
  Talking about people. With the eccentric behaviour,
• 1:42:29
  have you seen any Jacob recently?
• 1:42:33
  Some of his like content of him like cross track, has he
• 1:42:35
  published that comeback 1. I saw some stuff on.
• 1:42:40
  Instagram or was it a teaser? Yeah, a teaser and.
• 1:42:44
  I feel like he has that. That part down, it feels like a
• 1:42:51
  little bit wacky. Yeah, that UK guy does his
• 1:42:57
  videos, isn't it? What's his name?
• 1:42:58
  He used to do that podcast with Ben Felton and Callum Elson.
• 1:43:02
  Or no, who was that? Yeah, it's Westie or something,
• 1:43:07
  I don't know what his first. Name is though.
• 1:43:10
  Yeah, anyway, it's good content as well.
• 1:43:12
  Because that's one of the best. Parts of every time he always.
• 1:43:15
  Does a video for his races and usually it was like on the track
• 1:43:18
  circuit last year. And this Westie guy, he's not
• 1:43:22
  exactly in shape, but he's clearly got like some talents
• 1:43:26
  from back in the day as a junior or something.
• 1:43:28
  Because every time when they're doing their like shake out meat,
• 1:43:32
  Josh gets on his phone on the stopwatch and his comment
• 1:43:37
  commenting over this is cameraman trying to run a 62nd
• 1:43:41
  400. And it was kind of like a
• 1:43:44
  running joke all the way throughout the year.
• 1:43:46
  Like he was getting closer and closer to hit in 60 seconds.
• 1:43:50
  And this guy is obviously like absolutely on his ass
• 1:43:52
  afterwards. And then for this meet at the
• 1:43:57
  world indoors, because the issues in the state of the warm
• 1:44:01
  up track, what they happen to use, it was like a random park
• 1:44:04
  with like kids playing fussy or one of the straights and there
• 1:44:07
  was like weeds everywhere. But they couldn't.
• 1:44:13
  The track was like 300 meters or something that was completely
• 1:44:16
  random. So they had this westy try and
• 1:44:18
  run instead of a 62nd 400. It was a sub six minute mile,
• 1:44:23
  unlike the warm up blue, and he was like almost spewing his guts
• 1:44:28
  up at the end. He comes home in like 603 and
• 1:44:31
  he's going on. Endurance is so much harder than
• 1:44:33
  Sprint and I'm never doing this again.
• 1:44:36
  And like Josh is just pissing himself with the microphone.
• 1:44:40
  It's a good watch, Dean, do you know that?
• 1:44:44
  Real you sent Yeah, Hendricking Britain comments.
• 1:44:51
  All right, This is the Jacob coming back cross training rail.
• 1:44:55
  He says. I've heard rumours about what
• 1:44:58
  Jacob's comeback is going to look like.
• 1:45:00
  Everyone will be shocked. Brackets.
• 1:45:02
  He's growing a mustache. And then one lad commented at in
• 1:45:08
  the Britain Henrik. He's trying to become uglier
• 1:45:10
  like you question Ralph, like your mother.
• 1:45:17
  That's some real so good. I did dive into the comments on.
• 1:45:20
  It did you see what? Came up first.
• 1:45:22
  Did it come up first for you? Easy double.
• 1:45:26
  Easy double with the with. The love heart.
• 1:45:29
  Who's done that? Yeah.
• 1:45:33
  I don't. Know well if if Hemrick's
• 1:45:36
  listening. You, you've got Adm to respond
• 1:45:38
  to as well. Trying to tear your brother up
• 1:45:40
  me. Double trouble though, and
• 1:45:42
  you've got one to finish this off.
• 1:45:45
  I should just mention anymore just on YouTube Diaries.
• 1:45:49
  Australian. Athletics or Athletics
• 1:45:51
  Australia, whatever is the right Australian athletics I think
• 1:45:54
  nowadays. But they like cut up and put
• 1:45:57
  all, you know how when they have all those streams and you have
• 1:45:59
  to jump on Channel 7 and it's hard to find them.
• 1:46:02
  They cut up all of the finals and posted them within a day of
• 1:46:05
  the races. I just think like, how useful is
• 1:46:10
  that? But why can't all my national
• 1:46:12
  championships and other, you know, major events putting on
• 1:46:16
  these races just edit, edit these and post them on YouTube
• 1:46:20
  for people to watch? So it was really good.
• 1:46:24
  And for people that can't catch everything live, like it's hard
• 1:46:27
  to find. So I thought it was well played
• 1:46:30
  by then. Yeah, agree.
• 1:46:34
  Good. Show so we leave double.
• 1:46:36
  Trouble happy enough as it is? Yeah, you don't want.
• 1:46:41
  To go that one the. Fifth one you had.
• 1:46:44
  Written down leaves that alive. Wait, I kind of lost it.
• 1:46:48
  Give me a SEC. That was actually mine.
• 1:46:51
  You don't. Want to go at that?
• 1:46:53
  Right. No, I'm.
• 1:46:54
  I'm always piping off nowadays I have to.
• 1:46:57
  Settle down for a bit. All right?
• 1:46:59
  The fifth one, Yeah. You've highlighted it.
• 1:47:04
  I highlighted it. Oh, did you like on then?
• 1:47:12
  I don't know. What they are, it's been built
• 1:47:13
  up too much already. You know hoots.
• 1:47:16
  Someone ran one the other week and.
• 1:47:18
  That's what brought it to my mind.
• 1:47:20
  But anyway, all comers records. So you have caught course
• 1:47:24
  records. The person who's run the fastest
• 1:47:27
  time ever on a course, National Records, says what it is on the
• 1:47:31
  10. And then it was spoken about so
• 1:47:34
  much over the past couple of years as an all comers record.
• 1:47:38
  I didn't actually know what it was when Cam ran 3. 30 at Murray
• 1:47:43
  plot Yeah, maybe that's what brought it to the forefront of
• 1:47:46
  my mind and. Then a jog my memory that there
• 1:47:49
  was all this chatter about the half.
• 1:47:52
  Was it 1/2 marathon? All comers record What?
• 1:47:56
  What was that? What's the guy called who had
• 1:47:58
  that for a while? The happy like, yeah.
• 1:48:02
  And and the end up beating it. Didn't anyway the.
• 1:48:04
  Double trouble is I don't I think all comers records are the
• 1:48:09
  only thing in Australia or do other countries have them?
• 1:48:13
  But this just seem a bit stupid. Just have the national record
• 1:48:18
  and have the course record and don't throw some in between
• 1:48:21
  record and here we have to set the scene for what they are.
• 1:48:25
  Like it's the fastest. Let's say you have Australian
• 1:48:28
  all comers and then all comers. So the fastest time by an Aussie
• 1:48:33
  in Australia or the fastest time ever run in Australia.
• 1:48:38
  Now see, that just further complicates it, yeah.
• 1:48:42
  And so the is that not what a national?
• 1:48:44
  Record is now because a national.
• 1:48:46
  Record could be run by an Australian.
• 1:48:48
  Anywhere whereas an Australian all comers record is the fastest
• 1:48:52
  time an Australian has run. It's to do with Australia, in
• 1:48:56
  Australia. That's fucking pretty.
• 1:49:00
  Irrelevant, isn't it? Well, it might contextualize.
• 1:49:04
  So for example. When Cam ran that two weeks ago,
• 1:49:07
  the people that went down to the track, if you're a set marketing
• 1:49:11
  person, you would be like of all the events ever showcased in
• 1:49:15
  Australia, no one has ever seen over 1500 meter men's race run
• 1:49:20
  like that. No one's ever seen someone go
• 1:49:22
  that fast in Australian history. In this country, that's what
• 1:49:27
  it's trying to. That's fair enough, actually.
• 1:49:32
  So that's what I was going. To buy I think I'm.
• 1:49:34
  Yeah, I'm on board. Yeah, I like it.
• 1:49:37
  Like, yeah, right. Because what if, like, Josh Kerr
• 1:49:44
  comes? Over or something next year runs
• 1:49:46
  328 then Josh Kerr. Do you think on his CVS put an
• 1:49:50
  Australian all comers record? No, but it's not necessarily for
• 1:49:55
  him. It's much I.
• 1:49:56
  Think it's a for. For the audience to try and
• 1:49:58
  contextualise just how far some of these races are, like I don't
• 1:50:01
  even mind. I think I saw when the men's 5K
• 1:50:05
  was on, I think the championship record was down the bottom and
• 1:50:08
  it was like 1308 and the guys ran 1311.
• 1:50:11
  Like it just and it just jugged my mind.
• 1:50:14
  I'm like, wow, someone that race was we were talking about it,
• 1:50:17
  the guys running 13111313, we're like that's elite.
• 1:50:21
  But someone actually has run an Australian championship at least
• 1:50:24
  if that's to go by quicker than that makes you go fuck, that's a
• 1:50:28
  good run. Yeah, whatever this is.
• 1:50:34
  Very, very prestigious records. In my opinion, the.
• 1:50:41
  I'm pretty sure Jess Stenson. Ran the Australian All Comers
• 1:50:46
  women's marathon record over in Perth and a footpath the other
• 1:50:51
  year, so we've got to hold on to that.
• 1:50:54
  So then are there also state versions?
• 1:50:58
  Of these all comers records, there possibly is, so you may be
• 1:51:02
  the. Holder of a few state WA.
• 1:51:04
  All comers doubt it. It's not a You could have one
• 1:51:10
  for bridges. At the end of next week.
• 1:51:14
  British all come out in. Perth.
• 1:51:17
  For bridges. Over the new bridges.
• 1:51:22
  Which only. Got built a year ago.
• 1:51:25
  Yeah, exactly. We'll find some way to.
• 1:51:27
  Jazz it up anyway. I'll need to, right?
• 1:51:32
  Thanks, fellas. We'll do it all again next week.
• 1:51:37
  Or if you part the easy double club.
• 1:51:38
  We'll do it all again later in the week on the No Agenda Show.
• 1:51:41
  I'll see you there. Take back, boys.